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Hey guys just a quick note before we get into this episode.
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I found out as we were recording I was having audio issue issues
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and you hopefully can't hear in the background right now part of
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why that is happening. It is something I am working on.
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I edited around it the the best I could and I just wanted to
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apologize for it because we had been getting better at our audio
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and here we are. The technical issues never end
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folks, they just never end. So with that, enjoy this episode
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on The Smiths. Thanks.
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It's Deprogram, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right.
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We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is push, play
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and listen. Hey man, how about that?
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And you could say how soon is now.
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Hey, yo, we're going to be talking about The Smiths today.
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Look, Gavin, you put them on the board.
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And #1, so this show started in 2016.
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This show is 7 years old. And I got to admit, it is crazy
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that seven years in we are just now getting to The Smiths.
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So The Smiths talk to me about them.
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Yeah. Thanks for having me.
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It's good to be back with both you guys.
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OK, so. I think so.
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It's 1985. I'm 15 years old.
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I'm in the Bay Area in California.
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My friend starts getting the Melody Maker, which is a music
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paper from England. And they, they're obsessed with
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this character, this creature called Morrissey, who's just
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kind of captured the imagination of the music press.
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And he's he's tearing down the school system and he's quoting
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poets from the 1800s. And he's a vegetarian.
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I don't think I knew anyone that was a vegetarian.
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I I definitely didn't know anyone that did that as a
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stance, like of some kind of some kind of statement against
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cruelty. And he was gay, but he was
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celibate by choice. I definitely I understood
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celibacy really well. Not by choice, but I had no idea
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that you would ever choose for any reason to do that.
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He just looked incredible and I was just sort of fascinated with
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him. There's no Internet.
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I couldn't. I couldn't see him in motion.
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I couldn't see the band on like videos at that point and stuff.
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And then my friends got hat Full of Hollow as an import.
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Because it wasn't. Released in the States.
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And these two friends of mine reported back that trollably
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that it has like secret chords and like an embedded sadness to
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it. And so that was the rumor that
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went through the very few kind of like New wave kids at my
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school. And then I remember seeing this
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other new waiver in town that I didn't know, and he made a
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beeline to me because I was. Wearing like a black turtleneck
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and pearls or something ridiculous.
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And he he said, pardon me, which is always a good opening, you
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know. And he said like, are you at all
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familiar with The Smiths. And so it was like already the
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secret Telegraph that was somehow like reaching select
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kids who are too smart for their own good or had too many answers
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in class or thought they were too smart, whatever.
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And. And they just really boom.
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All right, well, I don't know. I don't know where it dropped
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you off, but we're gonna swing over to Adam.
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What made you decide that you wanted to jump in on on The
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Smiths? Well, a little bit like Gavin.
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They were a bit of a formative band for me, although.
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Actually, when I got into them they'd already broken up, but so
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early 90s or late late 80s, early 90s.
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When I was sort of 18/19/20 through that time it was the
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soundtrack with to my group of friends, along with a few other
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bands like Pixies and the Fams and a few others.
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But but there was The Smiths was always playing.
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We were a bunch of sad bastards, I think, but.
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But and so there's so many memories attached to to the
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Smith songs and Morrissey songs as well for me through that
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time. But also I think, I think like I
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was thinking Justin, that you know you do one of these every
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week covered so many different bands.
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There's not too many bands I I think that have as much of an
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influence over over alternative and indie music than The Smiths.
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They. That they cast a really long
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shadow and you can hear the influences through Johnny Mars
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guitar riff influences, but also Morris's lyrics and the satire
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and the cynical aspects of it. I do seem to like cynical and
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satirical. That's true artists.
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I think that there seems to be a theme so and I think these guys
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are the masters of that. So I think I'm so excited but
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also feel like I said, I said to you before Justin that I think
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this is a very emotive fan. Everyone's got their, their
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points of view and what the best songs are.
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So it would be very interesting when we get into it where we
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will see it. But I think that there one thing
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I would say too. I do remember reading.
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I think it was in Enemy one of the English and you can see.
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You can sort of see that that level of influence, particularly
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given that they've got their two incredibly talented songwriters
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as well. So yeah.
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So for me, I'm limited in my Smith's knowledge to at least
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going in one song and. One song, one song, one song
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that I knew of for sure. You know, I was like, there's
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the one. And of course it's how soon is
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now. That's the one I knew was The
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Smiths, you know? But I I knew of The Smiths.
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I I knew of Morrissey. I knew, like their music was the
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stranger here for me. You know what I mean?
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It was just something. I've just, I never took the
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dive. But as I'm listening, I'm
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realizing, oh, there's at least, at least at minimum three other
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songs that's like, oh, duh, of course that's The Smiths, You
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know, Like, you know, as you're listening, you kind of get it.
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It strangely enough, I knew it was going to be sad, but I
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didn't didn't know it was going to be as sad as it ended up
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being. Like, I mean, like it, it didn't
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drag me into the depths. But like, it definitely made me.
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It put me in those places of like, oh man, like, oh, oh man.
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Like kind of how The Smashing Pumpkins Adore used to be for
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me. Like, when I would listen to
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Adore, it used to. It used to, you know, bring me
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down now. Now I'm at a point where Adore
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brings me up. But yeah, like, there's
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definitely some sadness here and we'll so my next thing I was
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going to say might as well swing right into the next level of the
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conversation. Gavin, you know we didn't we
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couldn't. You you actually put a list
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together for me. And so this is, this is what we
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should do. So talk to me about like, why
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you chose what you chose, and then walk me through how you put
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your 20 together for this. And well, I think it was pretty
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easy to put the list together of what we should consider because
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it was really, I mean, I think it was just our whole catalog.
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I don't think I left anything out.
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And then this was terrible, putting a list together.
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It was the worst, my worst one so far, like the hardest one for
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sure. And even being conservative.
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I had 34 on my first pass and they were like 34 songs that
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like, you know, I like I did not want to cut and so I had to cut
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basically like my darlings, you know in half.
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It was pretty brutal. And yeah, like I I I've never
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really, when I've been on the show, I've not been like a
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spoiler. Like I don't try to.
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Be too obscure or whatever. Like a lot of the times I pick a
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lot of singles and stuff, but this time I might really, I
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didn't pick a lot of the songs that are the big singles and the
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songs that a lot of fans love and stuff.
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I just kind of followed my heart and so I have a lot of deep cuts
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and stuff and so I could kind of screw this up, but we'll see.
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The deep cuts is apt. Just the that those two words
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very apt for this. Band So Adam, I mean, I know, I
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know it was hard, but like talk to me like how how did you go
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about it? Did you have any, any any plans
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or did you just make the hurt? Well.
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Probably a little bit like Gavin the first.
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The first list I had 38 and even in that I was letting go stuff
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that I didn't want to. Then I sat on.
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I did get down into the sort of mid 20s and sort of sat there
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but I giving away too much. I'll probably have left a couple
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of favorites out as well. So it would be interesting to
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see if we aligned with the ones we left out, but I also.
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It's so we've covered the four studio albums and two
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compilations and and there's one this probably, if we think of
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that as six albums, there's two two of them for me that are in
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my top three out four albums probably ever.
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So they're right out there for me, right?
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So. So I I've, I really struggled
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with those to not just dominate and have them dominate the whole
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list. And there's one album actually,
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that I probably hadn't given the time of day to as much as I.
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Coming in and I'll I'll refer to it as we go through, but which I
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now absolutely love. So there was a couple of dark
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horses that came through that maybe when I first, before I
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started binge listening, I might not have necessarily had.
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I did try and spread it out though to give someone a new
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listener because that sound does change through.
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And it is. And it is a bit depressing at
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times, Justin, but I would have countered that and say there's
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so much humor in the Smith songs as well.
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That's true too. They're bloody funny, they
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really are. So it kind of balances it out
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most the time. But anyway, yeah, that's how I
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went about it. So for me, I immediately hated
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you guys because, like, as I'm listening to the first couple
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songs, I'm like, OK, like, I already get what's going on
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here. I'm not gonna like this, I
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think. I think the number 37 is is
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sticking out at me. So I think I had 37 on my first
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pass and and much like you guys like there's a lot of cuts that
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I was just making just because I was like it doesn't I don't want
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this to be harder than it's already going to be.
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So like as I'm going through like the the last, you know, the
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the last 17 is just like they all could have fit in what I was
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trying to display The Smiths as. Like all of it could have worked
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and I'm just like I don't, I don't know.
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I wish I would have asked the audience earlier.
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I didn't. I ended up not doing it till
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today. But I did see some people
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answered with some of the songs that I said.
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So I was like OK or that I have. So I was like, OK, like maybe
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maybe I'm not too far off, but this could end up being brutal
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on a second level because we could be, you know, we could all
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be. There could be a lot of ones and
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twos. And at at this point, I wanted
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to say that that Curtis was supposed to be on the show and
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he bowed out because we had a scheduling issue and he's on
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vacation. And then he immediately said,
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you know what? Like as it was, this was brutal.
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And I'm actually kind of happy to get out of it.
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So. So you know, it is what it is
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now based on everything we've said and how how brutal this is
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kind of been, Gavin, what do you think for the final say, like
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what do you think, how many do you think we'll get through
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unanimously? Yeah.
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So normally I go really high because I like, I like being an
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optimist. I think that the catalog so
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broad and I think we're going to be all over the map, although
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I'm pretty sure that Adam and I probably will have a bunch off
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the same record if I'm. If I'm figuring this out right,
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but I'm gonna say 4 Okay. That's a solid number.
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Adam, what are you thinking? Before we started this, I was
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actually gonna go for a high number.
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But then, Gavin, you scared me to be honest.
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I think I'm gonna play it. I still think there's enough.
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There's probably enough that we should actually align.
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On a On a fair few still, I think so.
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I'm gonna go 5 five. Okay.
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Yeah, that's that's about right. So that always leaves me the
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question, do I undercut or overcut?
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I never know which to do. My inclination is to actually go
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over in hopes that cuz I will say the one positive about
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Curtis dropping out is now it's only three of us with with four
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I think I'm undercutting at this point.
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I think, you know, three, maybe possibly even 2.
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I'm going to go six, I'm going to go +3 feels too low, so six
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feels like it might be too high. But you know, my choices are
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limited folks. All right.
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So we're going to take a quick pause and when we come back we
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go and play the game. It's the programmed and with
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that the name of the game is deprogrammed.
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The three of us have come through The Smiths discography
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and plucked out 20 songs that are now going to mash together
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in an attempt to create a top 10 starter kit for you.
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In case you have never given The Smiths the time of day.
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And I I'm taking a risk here because Gavin already said big
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singles are out. I mean, but it was the song I
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knew going in and you know, I always kind of love the song
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anyway. But hearing it in the context
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and and understanding what the band is and I look man the the
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line I'm human and I need to be loved just hits that line in and
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of itself, screams the Smith Smiths to me.
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How soon is now? I did not take how soon is now.
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Had a feeling? Last night.
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I haven't either. Oh, wow.
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Wow. Sorry.
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I love it. I mean, that song was a huge
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part of my life. I just kind of, I think.
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I feel like I'm doing that thing.
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Justin was like, people are going to find that song or know
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that song. I think that's how I'm erroring
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because there was so many songs. Yeah.
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Do you understandable it? Was in the.
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It was in my it was probably 24 or 25 for me.
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I do love it, but it's there's just other songs I love more.
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But it is it. Yeah.
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I didn't think it would get knocked out though.
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I thought it'd be safe by you guys.
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Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm shocked that
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it's a one that that's my shock like, you know.
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How soon is now in the trash? I know.
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Right. That's coming at you, that's.
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Wow, all right. Far out.
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I think we just started a riot in London.
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A riot in Manchester. Yeah, yeah.
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All right. Gavin, where you want to go?
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Well, I think so, Adam. I had there's 16 songs on Hat
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full of Hollow and on my first pass I had 13 of them and so.
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I had to get it down, but I better start knocking some of
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those out. So first track on Hat the
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Hollow, William. All right.
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So you guys got it. I don't that's a 2 William.
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It was really nothing. For the record that was one of
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the answers we got was William. It was really nothing.
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So all right. Adam, it is a bit of a fan favor
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I reckon that one. OK, so I'm going to go a big
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single and just say cuz surely you've got a couple of them,
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Gavin. And it was probably my first,
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the first song that I heard that I went, wow, I who are.
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I need to know more about The Smiths, and it's this charming
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man. Yeah, I could not throw that
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out, right. It's in.
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I got it. Nice.
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All right. Can I just say something quickly
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about that song? So I was reading because I've
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always been amazed by the guitar.
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I think this is one of Johnny Vaness.
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This is why he's seen as one of the most brilliant guitarists of
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all time, and I was reading that it includes a backwards 12
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string. Code of reverb.
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And he dropped the knife on the strings to punctuate the chord,
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the chorus of that song. So it's got such a unique sound
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and I think it's still timeless. It's one of those songs that I
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personally don't ever get sick with listening to.
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It's incredible. And also it's the song where
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Morrissey showed you the sticking.
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You know, Giant bouquets of Gladiolus in your back pocket is
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a good idea, yeah. All right, we got one.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here.
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This is one of the ones that stood out to me because the
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Deftones covered it, actually, and I had never heard the
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original before. And so when it came up, I was
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like, oh, wait a second, this is that song.
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And then? This is also one of the answers
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that we got on the when I when I asked the audience.
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Please, please, please let me get what I want absolutely.
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Yes, you can have what you want. I've got us of all the ones.
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I did not expect that to be a unanimous, but nice.
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Yeah, that's a great thing. Good times for a change.
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You know what's great about this is the last time the three of us
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were together, we had a Pretty and Pink soundtrack song, and
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we've now got another one. And isn't that Adam?
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So we're we're collecting the set.
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There's that song. There's that story that Johnny
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Marr tells about when he goes down.
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And I think Seymour Stein pays for him to buy a guitar in New
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York and he goes back to his hotel and sits down on the bed.
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They've just been signed by Siren the US and he writes like
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three songs on the bed in like 1/2 an hour and it's like I
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can't, I can never remember, but it's like I think that's one of
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them and. Then yeah, it's like 3 of like
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the most incredible songs ever written.
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You know what I mean? He just bangs him out.
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He's a kid, you know, in New York for the first time.
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Great story. That's surprising.
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All right. We got one or well, we got
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another one. I should say I like I said, I
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didn't expect that one to be. Unanimous.
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But and I also wanted to say because you guys have both
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brought up Hat Full of Hollow and you know now I've played two
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from it. You know in the in the order
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that we had it, Hat Full of Hollow was last or it was like
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not last. It was like towards the end.
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And like, I assumed, that's where I always feel like, you
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know, a band is going to start slowing down and Oh my God, I
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loved Hat Full of Hollow so much.
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Yeah. I had you already mentioned I I
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probably was somewhere in the same boat.
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Gavin. I I had so much from hat full of
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hollow. I was like, well, this didn't go
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the way I thought it was gonna. So yeah, I want, I want to say
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something really quick about that record.
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I don't know if this is going to make sense, Adam.
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I'm like, looking at you on this.
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So, like, for me, like in the beginning, The Smiths just were
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like, like, please, please, please let me get what I want.
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It's just a pure expression of who that band was.
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They were just like they were their.
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They were their own fully formed, supernatural identity.
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And I feel like rude you you you get through me.
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His murder. And then the boy with the thorn
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in his side in September 85. And to me that's the cutoff,
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where they achieve consciousness of what they are and what
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they're supposed to be, which is not necessarily a good thing.
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And everything after that, and I would include the queen is dead.
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They have this understanding of how witty and funny and sad
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they're supposed to be. Everything takes a step down for
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me at that point and in real time in the 80s.
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I stopped listening to them after that.
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Now, of course, I go back and like like you were alluding to,
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you know, having a kind of discovering one of the records,
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which I'm pretty sure I can guess what it is.
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I've had that same experience. Like, I love all of it now, but
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there is a cutoff where they are something pure and then they are
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something with an understanding of what their strengths are.
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And it's just a different ball game for me, that line.
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And sort of maybe like a sort of slight lost innocence, they kind
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of knew what they were doing in terms of, is that what you mean?
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Like the formula of The Smiths a little bit became a little bit
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more, but I mean. I feel like on some of that
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stuff they just started to really land it, though they did.
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Yeah, they did. And I've reevaluated and I'm
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really impressed by a lot of that later stuff.
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But I do still think that that line exists.
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Okay. All right, Gavin, you're up,
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Okay. Well, let's go to Nita's murder,
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which came out when I was in high school.
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All my friends bought it. Do you guys have that joke?
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Isn't funny anymore. Yes.
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Okay, no. That was one of the ones I was
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mauling around towards the end. That joke isn't funny anymore,
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is A2, and this is going pretty much.
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How I assumed I was going to God.
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Man out. That's all right.
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All right, Adam. OK, I'm gonna maybe slightly put
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myself out there. I don't know how this song will
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go, but it is my favorite song. It's it probably wasn't back in
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the back when I first listened. There's been plenty of favorites
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over the years, but this is the one that if I ever have it on, I
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just sort of. Stopping my tracks a bit and
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it's such an epic song. It's often thought of as the
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saddest song, which I don't know why I have such a thing for the
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sad songs, but it's Off, The Queen is Dead and it's called I
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Know It's Over, yes. Okay, no.
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But that's another one that we got as an answer from, yeah.
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It's just so epic. I mean, and the lyrics, I think
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this is Morrissey at its peak in terms of writing, lyric writing.
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Like it's just agreed and it's got the epicness.
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Yeah, so good all. Right.
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Well yeah. We're doing fine here though,
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fellas. We've got 2IN and three into the
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combo and plenty of game play left, so yeah.
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Sometimes one of the things I, I, I kept finding is you would
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look at a song title and you'd be like Okay, that's Scream
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Smiths if the if it matches, if the song matches and sounds,
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then I'm going to take it. And this is this is one of
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those, Goddamn it, where did it? Where did it?
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Where did it? I thought it was duh.
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It's near the top, which is why I was reading it.
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Heaven knows I'm miserable now, yeah.
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Absolutely, absolutely. There we go.
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Yeah, absolutely. Classic.
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Yeah, that could be in the encyclopedia entry next to The
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Smiths, right? Yes, that was the feeling.
28:19
I So. Sorry, Justin.
28:24
No, I was. I was done.
28:25
What were you saying? I was gonna say when I was
28:29
planning for this, I was talking to my family about I'm doing
28:32
this miss and one of my daughters said, oh daddy, you're
28:34
gonna do that one where he's looking for a job, job and he's
28:37
really unhappy because she's always thought it's a funny song
28:43
because she's so miserable. I mean, this is where it's such
28:46
a miserable song, but. This you can start to see
28:52
Morrissey's, you know, the heavy sense of wit.
28:55
And that's why, coming through on that, it's pretty, pretty
28:58
epic. I think.
29:00
Why do I give valuable time to people that I'd much rather kick
29:03
in the eye? Yeah, Beautiful.
29:05
That's a great story. It's really cute.
29:10
All right, Gavin, I'll stay on Apple Hollow.
29:17
Go with maybe possibly my favorite song by The Smiths.
29:20
You guys have Reel Around the Fountain.
29:26
No. I don't.
29:28
I don't. But I I I actually had to do a
29:31
straw poll on it with friends because I I I had reel around
29:36
the fountain. All please, please let me get
29:38
what I want. I thought I could.
29:39
I'd only have one spot for, yeah.
29:42
And yeah, so no, unfortunately. But I do love it, yeah.
29:50
Oh my God, there we go. Sorry, I'm on a new machine and
29:57
it's. I'm still working out the kinks
29:58
with it, so. Do you have it, Justin?
30:03
I do not. So it is.
30:04
It goes into the, IT goes into the trash.
30:07
Unfortunately, trash. Wow, what a great song to go in
30:11
the trash. See.
30:13
Does that mean this isn't coming to you guys?
30:15
You guys can't hear this I. Can hear you.
30:19
Can hear the music. So I've got a setting wrong.
30:25
I'll figure it out. Well, the listeners hopefully
30:29
can hear it. All right, So let's see.
30:33
That was Gavin. Adam, it's your turn.
30:38
Okay, I might go to the record that.
30:42
Sort of surprised me through this.
30:44
And that is the last record. So strange ways.
30:46
Here we come. Which I hadn't listened to as
30:51
much. And it's just so I'm gonna pick
30:55
Death of a Disco Dancer, Yes. OK.
30:59
All right. Let's go to two That song is
31:04
epic. Yeah, it really is growing on me
31:08
to the point of being one of my favorites now.
31:11
Yeah, I think that's right. I think that is song is a is a
31:16
flash of genius at the end of their life, you know?
31:20
Yeah, I mean, and I was reading about because I was intrigued by
31:25
the meaning behind it and apparently it was a bit of a
31:31
protest song about the AIDS pandemic and the the fact that
31:36
people kind of didn't really care that the feeling of the
31:39
fact that it it was such a devastating.
31:42
And it remains to be a devastating pandemic that a lot
31:49
of the community didn't, didn't care about.
31:52
So, so the cutting line, the chip, you know, if you think
31:55
piece is a common goal that goes to show how little you know it's
31:59
just so cutting, yeah, it's great.
32:04
Again, this is going exactly how I thought.
32:06
You guys are pretty well in line with each other and I in the odd
32:11
man out. So since I'm the odd man out
32:15
when October comes, I might have a unhappy birthday.
32:19
Hey yo, I don't have it, but that's a great song.
32:26
It is a good song. I don't have it either.
32:28
Yeah, See, see, this is this is what I've done.
32:32
I've I've put myself in the pit. Maybe I shouldn't bother playing
32:39
the song, especially the miss. Yeah, you know what?
32:42
I'll just do it for if we need it.
32:47
All right, Kevin. I mean, these are all great
32:50
songs. You know, it's like, I mean,
32:52
some are obviously better than others, right?
32:54
But I mean, this band is pretty unimpeachable.
32:58
I mean, they had a pretty stellar run.
33:01
Where am I going? Okay.
33:03
So let's go. I'm gonna pick.
33:10
This would have been on what did we do did we do we didn't ladder
33:14
the bombs as a comp right. Yeah and stuff.
33:16
Yeah. I get it mixed up with the
33:23
British comp of singles which I'm yeah.
33:27
Anyway, do you guys have unlovable I?
33:33
Sure do. No, I don't.
33:36
I don't. It was in my, it wasn't my first
33:38
car. It got to the was the back for
33:41
me, but yeah. That's a 2.
33:45
For once, I'm. I'm not the odd man out.
33:47
You're in there. Yeah, that's right.
33:49
Yeah. I did something right guys.
33:52
It's the world won't listen is the British comp right And then
33:56
later than bombs is the American or the.
33:59
I don't know what happened in Australia, but that was the
34:01
American comp. All right, Adam.
34:09
Okay, I'll stay on that of the bombs and go with half a person,
34:15
yes. No, it was brief beside the
34:20
shoplifters. Yeah, it's such a sad song.
34:26
It's amazing. Yeah, it was brief that I was in
34:31
line and. But just like that, we're almost
34:35
out of NTP. I keep skipping this one because
34:39
this was one of the other songs that I knew as it came up.
34:44
Panic. I don't have, Yes.
34:50
Okay. Ooh, I do All right.
34:54
Don't panic. I've got it.
34:56
Officially out of NTP, just like that.
35:01
It's a great song, Justin. Yeah, well, you know and again
35:04
you know much like how soon is now.
35:06
Like I would say that that panic kind of vaulted over how soon is
35:14
now. I think maybe I was, I was
35:15
playing the game a little too hard with how soon is now.
35:18
But I I recall hearing panic several times.
35:24
Obviously because I I was, I was aware of it.
35:27
But. It never really clicking with
35:29
me. I don't know what it was about
35:31
this go around, but I was like, man, this just works for me.
35:35
So, all right, Gavin, I'm gonna go back to half of the hollow.
35:43
Did you guys have Back to the Old House?
35:48
I do. I don't.
35:53
Well, I'm the old one at the moment.
35:55
Yeah. Justin, that's a sad, slow song
35:58
you picked my friend. Nice work.
36:01
That was great song. Part of it I was like, which
36:06
sad, slow song do I pick? All right, Adam.
36:13
Okay, I'll stay on Hat for Hollow.
36:18
And definitely one of my faves, particularly when I was in my
36:22
early 20s. Still ill?
36:25
Yes. No.
36:29
So I do know, and I was going to say this before Gavin, but I
36:32
didn't want to ruin the surprise of that song, but that I did
36:36
read that Johnny Marr wrote still ill the the.
36:40
Music to still Ill and this charming man on the same day, so
36:43
I'm wondering if that's the same.
36:46
Please, please let me get what I want as well, to your point
36:49
earlier. Isn't that crazy?
36:52
That's not a bad day. Yeah, I always say that I want
36:56
to get, you know, a tattoo that says still ill and my my long
37:01
time girlfriend's always like I am breaking up with you if you
37:05
get still ill tattooed on you so.
37:08
What do you get this? Why don't you get the whole
37:11
lyric? I decree today that life is
37:13
simply taking and not giving Englanders mind, and it owes me
37:16
a living. I'm gonna bring you.
37:20
On a spin your eye? Yeah, good suggestion.
37:23
Maybe you can help me with that conversation.
37:26
Yeah, let's do it. It's awesome.
37:31
So let's see. Still ill was Adams, who were
37:33
back around to me. And I'm doing okay here.
37:39
So let me try this one out. Let me take a swing here.
37:43
I want the one I can't have. It was on my first pass, but not
37:52
I didn't make it through, but it's awesome all.
37:55
Right. It's a good choice, Justin, but
37:58
I don't have it. I want the one I can't have.
38:02
So please, please, please let me get what I want, yeah.
38:07
All right. That was just lame.
38:08
It's me. Yeah.
38:13
Gavin, you're up. Okay.
38:18
So I want to give like this. Can I give this little like, I
38:24
don't know. I want to talk about.
38:28
What's your old friend? They meant to me for a second
38:30
really quick about because it references the song.
38:33
So I felt like when I was a kid that Morrissey was really saying
38:39
like, hey, he's he was saying like, hey, I see you like kid, I
38:43
see you. You know, I know your town hates
38:46
you. I know your school hates you.
38:48
I know you hate yourself. And that just means that you're
38:52
a person of great character or you will be one day.
38:56
You should read books that you don't understand.
39:00
And buy flowers and go to the cemetery.
39:04
And those were all incredible pieces of advice then.
39:07
And now, like today, he was right about everything.
39:10
He was like, he told me, like, don't be ashamed that you're
39:12
smart, lean, lean into your wrongness and your weirdness,
39:16
your wrong clothes and your wrong hair.
39:19
Like the people around you are cruel and you're better than
39:23
them. And you just got to wait and
39:26
see. And it's going to work out, you
39:28
know? And I felt like no one saw me,
39:30
none of the adults of my life that could have recognized a
39:34
sensitivity or whatever in me. And I'll just love him forever
39:38
for that. And in this song when he says,
39:40
you know, oh, you're all grown up now and you're so clever now
39:47
that don't forget the songs that saved your life and the ones
39:50
that made you cry. And like, you know, I I will
39:52
not, you know, I don't forget that.
39:55
And so that's from the song Rubber Ring, which is a B side.
39:58
Do you guys have a rubber ring? It's on Louder Than Bombs.
40:02
I feel bad after all that to say no.
40:08
Well, I don't have it either, and I actually thought you were
40:11
going through a different song at one point.
40:13
It could be Idiot, their songs, actually, Yeah, yeah.
40:20
Sorry, but it's an awesome song. Yeah, all right.
40:23
Me too, Adam. I'm gonna go to the song that I
40:27
thought you were talking about. Yeah.
40:30
And that is a song that I think really speaks to everything you
40:36
said, Gavin. And that symmetry Gates from the
40:39
Queen is dead. That's a great song.
40:42
Did I get symmetry? I did, yeah.
40:47
I had it. All right, Two, this
40:51
conversation's gonna be brutal. Yeah, we got.
40:54
And can I just say, can I just add to what you said?
40:57
I struggle and I don't know if this is something we talked
41:00
about a bit later but so and how aware you guys are Morrissey's
41:04
recent statements, nationalist kind of statements and quite
41:08
racist statements at times that I find so difficult to reconcile
41:13
with the lyrics that he wrote through The Smiths.
41:17
And because I agree with you, it's.
41:21
I feel like the songs were. About being inclusive and
41:24
respecting everybody's views and opinions.
41:26
And now the modern day Morrissey seems to have lost some of that
41:30
it feels. Yeah, he was always championing
41:37
the underdog and the person that's marginalized or cast
41:42
aside. That's what he meant to me.
41:48
That's what he meant to me as well, but he's some of his views
41:50
now seem to be a bit different to that.
41:52
But anyway, there's always, there's always a art from artist
41:57
conversation to be had. So I think maybe, you know, we
42:00
can dive into that a little bit more on after the fact, folks.
42:03
You want to hear after the fact. patreon.com/show Hi Justin,
42:06
there you go, $1.00 a month. It goes there immediately after
42:09
we record it, and we record it immediately when we're done with
42:13
this. Let's see.
42:17
I still have a good 1-234-567-8910.
42:23
Geez, do I really have 11 left? You guys have considerably less
42:28
than that, but. I have six, yeah.
42:31
So a lot of these are going to go in the dumpster.
42:35
I've got ten I think I've got. Well, I have 8:00.
42:39
Okay. All right, so.
42:41
Yeah, I've got 10 left. Okay.
42:42
Well, maybe I was wrong. Then this kind of goes in line.
42:49
You've actually done, I think you've hit more than you're
42:51
saying, Justin. Yeah, yeah, I've.
42:54
Got a lot. You're doing great.
42:55
I've got a lot of threes and twos, so how about I go?
43:01
Stop me if you think you've heard this one.
43:06
I don't have it. I tell you, I love that song.
43:09
Absolutely. Love it.
43:10
Yeah. All right, it does.
43:14
It does make me feel good when I'm not, like, completely in the
43:19
ocean on on an episode like this where people are going to be
43:25
yelling at me no matter what. Probably.
43:29
All right, Gavin. Yeah, we're in dangerous Waters
43:33
with The Smiths. I mean, Smith's fans, you know
43:36
you can't. You're not going to please that.
43:41
I'm going to go to the first album.
43:46
We a lot of the stuff, Adam right off the first album, we
43:49
took the versions off Hat Full of Hollow, yeah.
43:53
That's right. Yeah, we prefer the BBC, the
43:56
Peel Sessions and stuff. One song on the first album that
44:01
didn't make Appeal session is called The Hand That Rocks the
44:05
Cradle. It's such an incredible early
44:08
song from The Smiths. Damn it.
44:11
That was definitely a late, late cut.
44:18
Yeah, for me as well. Unfortunately it was in my first
44:21
pass, but didn't get through all right Adam.
44:28
Okay. All right.
44:32
There's a few big ones out there that I think it's time to talk
44:36
about, and this song is. Almost so depressing.
44:43
It's actually comes through the other side and has a lot of.
44:46
I feel like it has a lot of hope about it and it's actually a
44:49
positive song ultimately. And that is, there is a lot that
44:54
never goes out from the Queen is Dead, I got that.
44:59
I do not and I knew that was gonna be problem.
45:04
Wow. Yeah, it's one of the big ones.
45:10
I panic. I love it.
45:12
I mean, I didn't love it initially, but I really love it
45:15
now. But yeah, it couldn't make the
45:18
final cut sometimes. Sometimes it'd be that way.
45:23
But. I like what you said, Adam.
45:27
It's right. It's so sad.
45:28
It becomes funny and hopeful. It's a pretty incredible song.
45:34
It is, yeah. I mean ultimately it's about the
45:37
fact that look. There's always hope.
45:41
There's actually a song about hope, ultimately, I think, but
45:44
it is. It's a very cleverly written.
45:47
Again, it's that way of Morris's lyrics.
45:54
And what I was saying about he's reaching out, saying like, yeah,
45:56
you're just like, come pick me up.
45:58
I'm a team. I have no, I have no agency of
46:01
my own. Come pick me up.
46:03
Put me in your car. I'll fucking go anywhere.
46:05
I don't care. Drive me around.
46:11
I keep looking at this one, so I might as well put this one out.
46:14
Here. Miserable Lie.
46:20
Not no. I should have let it sit a
46:24
little bit longer, huh? I should have kept that in the
46:27
dump out. No, it's all right, Gavin.
46:37
I think you went out the first album.
46:38
That's cool. Another another song when I was
46:44
a kid where the lyrics just really, I'd never heard anything
46:47
like it. Do you guys have off of 1/2 full
46:49
of Hollow? Do you guys have these things?
46:51
Take time. No, I don't.
46:56
Just, I thought I did. I love it.
46:57
But I couldn't. That whole, that whole
46:59
compilation could have gone through, Yeah, yeah, I don't.
47:04
I thought I did, but I don't. When he says the alcoholic
47:08
afternoons where we sat in your room, Yeah, we've been any
47:12
living thing on earth and more worth so good.
47:16
All right, Adam. Yeah, I think I might have made
47:20
a mistake there, so I'll stay there.
47:26
This is. I think this might be.
47:29
This might be my last one on Hat 4 Hollow and.
47:36
Let me get my hands on your memory plans, handsome devil.
47:41
I don't have it, but I love it. No, unfortunately, I don't.
47:44
I'd. Be there.
47:46
OK, I just think this is A1 where I put a note down saying,
47:50
look, certainly not. This is not a punk band or by
47:54
any stretch, but this is this song does not let up.
47:58
It just is fast and furious and I I I one of Johnny Marr's.
48:06
See the two moments? In my opinion, it's just
48:08
amazing. He's just owns it at this point
48:11
in The Smiths. I feel like to your point before
48:13
Gavin, towards the end of The Smiths, I feel like they became
48:17
more of a Morrissey band and I don't know what was happening
48:21
with them, but maybe Johnny Marr sort of.
48:28
It's just had less of an impact. On strange ways, here we come.
48:32
Than in this early stuff where it's just the guitar, yeah.
48:36
Handsome. There's a bunch of early songs
48:39
like Handsome Devil where he's flirting with.
48:45
There's something provocative. You don't really have the full
48:48
picture, but there may be some older person involved and
48:53
there's some kind of inappropriate relationship going
48:56
on, but you're not really sure. If the narrator thinks that's
49:01
wrong and it's very complicated, he sings about complicated
49:08
relationships and I appreciate that as an author.
49:15
Yeah, It's a bit sinister, actually, The lyricist.
49:18
Yeah. Yeah.
49:21
All right. This is another one that I've
49:24
been kind of passing over and over and over, hoping that one
49:27
of you guys would throw it out there.
49:29
So let's find out. Sheila, take a bow.
49:36
I don't have Sheila. No, I don't either, man.
49:43
All right, So I think we're getting close to the dump out
49:46
here, it sounds like, but let's, let's do it.
49:48
Let's finish this round, Gavin. Oh, let's go to Mita's Murder,
49:55
one of the greatest songs they've ever written.
49:56
Of course. Do you guys have nowhere fast?
50:03
No, I do. Great.
50:06
I love it. It's all right because they've
50:11
got that. We haven't really talked about
50:13
their that rockabilly kind of sound.
50:17
That dominates that album and through there and I, I it's
50:20
probably my favorite of the rockabilly types songs.
50:24
Yeah, me too. Yep.
50:26
All right, Adam. All right, now I can't believe
50:33
that no one's brought this song up, so I'm going to do it
50:37
because it is one of the big songs and I'm pretty sure
50:40
Kevin's going to say doesn't have it, but and that's big
50:44
Mouth Strikes again. I am embarrassed to say I don't
50:49
have it. I don't either.
50:51
I can't save you. Ah shit, really?
50:55
Trashed. That is, we are.
50:58
We're not going to make it out of here alive.
51:03
So one thing I'd say I've read about this one is Johnny Ma was
51:06
saying that because this is where I think this is a Johnny
51:09
Ma song. Three and three it was actually
51:13
inspired by. Jumping Jack Flash, The Rolling
51:17
Stones. He wanted a song that just
51:19
doesn't give up. That's not, it's unrelenting,
51:21
it's just picassive, yeah, picassive guitars.
51:24
And he definitely achieved that with that one.
51:27
Yeah, and Morrissey too. They both turned it up to 11
51:30
together on that song, so they. Really did, didn't that?
51:32
Yeah, all right. So I'm just going to dump out
51:36
because, I mean, it can only get worse.
51:41
I'm going to start at the top. Pretty girls make graves.
51:45
No. Not Yep.
51:49
Barbarism begins at home. No.
51:55
All right, no, but a good song though, let's.
51:59
See. Yeah.
52:01
Never had no one. Ever.
52:05
No. No.
52:09
Oh boy. I mean, I saw this bit.
52:14
But it's awesome though, that every song of that album.
52:17
All those choices are great, Justin.
52:19
Yeah, yeah. This one I just, I couldn't get
52:23
rid of. Some girls are bigger than
52:25
others. I don't have it, but what a
52:32
crazy song I wanted to not, yeah, I wanted to not cuz
52:37
title's a little much, but. It's kind of incredible to come
52:41
at the end of The Queen is Dead. Like to end with.
52:44
There's something amazing about that song, to just put that at
52:46
the end of The Queen is Dead, yeah.
52:48
Isn't that And am I right to say it wasn't it was initially
52:53
initially A/B side and then added or there's something about
52:57
that song I? Know that story?
52:58
That's good though, That. Means yeah, I'm not sure.
53:01
I'm not entirely sure. But it's again, Johnny Marr is
53:04
Hey is just speak. The Queen is dead.
53:07
His guitar. Unbelievable.
53:09
Yeah. All right.
53:11
I only got 2 left here. What difference does it make?
53:16
No, that's one of. My favorite songs, boy.
53:22
And then last but not least, you just haven't earned it yet,
53:25
baby. No.
53:28
No. Wow, that was awful.
53:34
Brutal. That was awful.
53:37
All right, so our chances to look we I should have went
53:41
under. We got 3.
53:43
So three. Wow.
53:45
Yeah, I had a feeling that that I was going to be, you know, odd
53:50
man out here a little bit. All right, You want to try to
53:53
get some more in this combo, Gavin?
53:56
Yeah, yeah. And I'm not sure I mean if we,
53:59
if we hit the instant replay, I think that you matched with more
54:04
more than you think Justin. I think that me and Adam.
54:07
Or off on some stuff too. Yeah, absolutely.
54:14
Adam off of Nita's murder Do you have, well, I wondered.
54:19
OK, off of their last album Strange Ways, do you have the
54:26
first song, A Rush and A Push in the Land of Ours?
54:30
Far out, man. I did.
54:32
I cut it. Song has like no guitar in it,
54:38
or no bass or something. Something weird.
54:40
Anyway, off of Louder the Bombs, the B side to Shakespeare's
54:46
sister, do you have stretch out and wait?
54:54
That's the date caught. That it is, yeah.
54:59
That's. It That's crazy.
55:00
What are Yeah. OK, So what have I?
55:04
I say. I've got the queen is dead off.
55:07
The queen is dead, I think. Yeah, it's just.
55:10
Smack smack in the face opener. I've also got off Louder Than
55:18
Bombs. Is it really so strange?
55:24
Yeah. Then off strange ways.
55:27
Girlfriend in a coma. Right.
55:31
And then a song that I think has actually become into my
55:36
favorites for through this experience of strange ways as
55:39
well is Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me.
55:42
Yeah, that's a great song. Absolutely, one of my last cuts.
55:46
Yeah, me too. If I had to guess, it was
55:48
probably #21. Wow.
55:52
OK, cuz it was right there. Wow.
55:58
We've got some work today, haven't we?
56:00
We have 12/2. Yeah.
56:02
Oh, my goodness. So let's start with our
56:05
unanimous here. We've got this charming man.
56:07
Heaven knows I'm miserable now. And please, please, please let
56:10
me get what I want. So that's that's a good start.
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I've got 13 twos that we need to whittle down to A7.
56:19
We've got That joke isn't funny anymore.
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Nowhere fast. I know.
56:23
It's over cemetery gates. There's a light that never goes
56:26
out. The death of a disco dancer.
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Stop me if you think you've heard this one before, William.
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It was really nothing. Still ill back to the old house.
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Half a person, panic and unlovable.
56:38
So after hearing what we still have left, Gavin, is there
56:44
something that you're like, man, we really can't.
56:46
We can't do this without that song.
56:57
So, OK, let's see. So the first album's out.
57:00
We don't have any twos off the first album.
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We've got all three of our Unanimouses are off hat full of
57:06
Hollow. We don't have any, We don't have
57:09
anything off Mita's murder. So let me just stop there and
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say like I I would go for that joke isn't funny anymore.
57:21
Or nowhere fast either of the either of the choices off of
57:25
Mita's murder. All right, Adam, what do you
57:27
think? Which?
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Yeah, if on choosing of those two, it's a tough one.
57:33
But I would go with that joke isn't funny anymore if I was
57:37
choosing. All right, let's do that.
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We won't take out nowhere fast yet.
57:42
We'll let it live another day. So same question to you, Adam.
57:48
Out of all the ones that are still alive with twos, is there
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something jumping out at you that you're like, oh man, I
57:55
can't believe we didn't land that.
57:58
Yeah, absolutely there is. And cuz I declared it as one of
58:02
my favorites. I know it's over.
58:07
Yeah, I fought a pretty hard fight for that one.
58:09
We haven't got anything off of. Queen is dead anyway at the
58:11
moment. So true.
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Yeah, any hesitation there, Gavin?
58:16
No, none at all. But except the only hesitation
58:19
would be it would be great if we did this list.
58:21
With nothing off, the Queen is dead just to freak out every
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Smith and ever. Yeah, that's great.
58:31
Let's do that. So let's do that.
58:33
Let's grab that. What does that get us?
58:35
Up to? Five already.
58:38
All right. At least we have agreeable
58:40
people here. All right, So let's let's tackle
58:47
these hat full of hollows. Are we done with hat full of
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hollows since we got 3? No, no, I wouldn't say that yet.
58:56
OK. Gee, I don't know.
58:58
That's too soon. Too soon, Justin.
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OK. Well, do we want, so the next
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level that question is, do we want to make sure we have
59:04
everything represented first, you know save for the first
59:08
record obviously. I think so strange.
59:12
What should we look at strange ways for a second?
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Yeah, so Death of a Disco Dancer versus Stop Me If you think
59:19
you've heard this one before. So I will say Stop Me is
59:28
probably my least favorite Smith song ever.
59:30
Like, I know you guys really like it.
59:31
I don't know why. I just can't get with that song.
59:35
All right, That sounds like strong for Death of a Disco
59:41
Dancer. What do you What say you, Adam?
59:44
I would have. I just totally disagree with
59:47
you, Gavin, on that song. Yeah, But I would have still
59:51
chosen Death of a Disco Dancer over it, because I think it's a
59:54
better song. Great.
59:55
So let's do that. We have no other twos off that
59:58
record, right, Justin? That's it, yeah.
1:00:01
Okay, So. And it sounds like let's just go
1:00:05
ahead and axe stop me. Wow, You know, that album I'll
1:00:13
just say is. As Time Goes On is becoming seen
1:00:17
as a bit of a classic album and we've just got one song off it,
1:00:20
but that's the way it goes. Indeed, no.
1:00:22
It's great. It requires reevaluation, yeah.
1:00:28
All right, so let's look at Louder Than Bombs next.
1:00:33
Yep. So we've got half a person panic
1:00:37
and unlovable. Yeah.
1:00:40
I mean, I'd be fine to take all three of those, you guys.
1:00:43
I didn't have panic. That was a hard cut for me.
1:00:46
That was one of the big ones. Like whatever you guys want to
1:00:48
do there, I'm fine with. All right.
1:01:07
Adam, what do you think? And so if we do that, then we
1:00:54
have one left. I mean, I'm, I'm good with that
1:00:59
cuz I had, let's see, the only one I didn't have was half a
1:01:02
person. So let's see you.
1:01:08
I didn't mean to just throw 3 songs.
1:01:09
Yeah, no, no, I'm okay with that.
1:01:13
Just it's more about what we're not leaving room for.
1:01:24
Maybe we should force ourselves to pick two at this stage so
1:01:29
that we've got enough spots. I don't know, Okay.
1:01:33
So what? Yeah, So what have we got?
1:01:34
We got panic, half a person or unloveable.
1:01:42
Unlovable and Half a person are both sad songs, right?
1:01:45
And Panic is like a big big boisterous Hang the DJ song.
1:01:53
So we do Panic and one of the other two.
1:01:57
Yeah, I'm OK with that. And.
1:02:02
I was, yeah. So I'm the old person out on
1:02:06
unlovable. But I do love it so it's not
1:02:09
unloved by me so so I I basically either unlovable or
1:02:15
half a person you know to me it's Nick and Nick but I I think
1:02:20
panic should go in. I think panic is a we have,
1:02:22
yeah, it's a bit of a banger as. Well, yeah, it's a banger.
1:02:25
Yeah. Yeah.
1:02:26
Justin, you wanna pick half a person in unlovable?
1:02:29
You wanna flip a coin or something?
1:02:32
Let's, I mean, look, let's let's, let's take unlovable.
1:02:36
That way we have, you know, half a person still has a chance
1:02:40
because there's still two spots left.
1:02:41
So. Yeah, yeah.
1:02:44
All right. So now we're looking at nowhere
1:02:47
fast cemetery gates. There's a light that never goes
1:02:50
out. William, it was really nothing.
1:02:53
Still ill back to the old house, half a person.
1:02:57
So let me ask the other way around.
1:02:59
Is there something that I just read off Gavin that you're
1:03:02
you're going this at this point stands no chance?
1:03:07
No, no. Is there something jumping out
1:03:13
at you that you're like I we got to have this?
1:03:18
Adam, we can do the big song if you want.
1:03:26
I feel like I know you. I know it would sort of be
1:03:30
rock'n'roll to not have The Queen is Dead represented much,
1:03:33
but it does need more than one. Yeah, like it is seen as, you
1:03:39
know, one of the best albums of all time.
1:03:41
It's got to have a bit more representation I think.
1:03:44
You want to do There's a light all.
1:03:49
Right. I think there's a light.
1:03:50
I mean, I love cemetery gates, but I think there's a light is
1:03:54
probably is it should be there. Yep.
1:03:57
Yeah, I think you're right. All right, So now it's the
1:04:01
showdown. Is there one that you really
1:04:07
want to fight for here? Either of you at the end here.
1:04:11
Let me think for a second on that.
1:04:14
So I guess for me, I'm looking at.
1:04:23
I might be looking at. Nowhere fast off of Mita's
1:04:34
murder. I don't know.
1:04:36
This is, you know it's a Sophie's Choice, right?
1:04:39
I mean, what the? Yeah.
1:04:41
What are you thinking, Adam? Well, I was thinking about your
1:04:45
tattoo still, because I've just seen the lyrics on that one and
1:04:52
it's just such a have we got? I suppose we've got panic.
1:04:55
So panic maybe covers that smack in the face, kind of.
1:04:59
I just want that kind of. You know what I mean?
1:05:01
We don't want to have just the sad ones.
1:05:04
Make sure we've got something that does smack you in the face
1:05:07
a bit. It still ills, definitely that
1:05:10
so, but nowhere fast as well. We've got two spots left,
1:05:15
haven't we? We've got.
1:05:17
One now 01, have we? Yeah, there's light.
1:05:22
Then everything went in. Dustin, will you?
1:05:25
I think I'm missing. Will you tell me the twos that
1:05:27
are left? Sure.
1:05:29
Let's see. We got nowhere fast.
1:05:32
Cemetery gates, William. It was really nothing.
1:05:35
Still ill. Back to the old house and half a
1:05:39
person. Okay.
1:05:44
So it sounds to me like it's nowhere fast versus still ill.
1:05:51
We throw out cemetery gates. We throw out half a person.
1:05:56
Yeah. We throw out William.
1:05:59
We throw it back to the old house.
1:06:01
So still ill or nowhere fast. I don't care.
1:06:05
I I'm never going to argue against anything off half full
1:06:08
of Hollow so but it just means we have one song off of Beat His
1:06:14
Murder and it's a slow it's like that joke isn't funny anymore.
1:06:19
So it's letting a little. Bit of.
1:06:21
That, but that's OK, I mean. We haven't really represented
1:06:25
that rockabilly sound, which is a really good argument for
1:06:31
nowhere fast, I think, actually, when I think about it.
1:06:34
So maybe we should check that one on.
1:06:37
All right, let's do it then all. Right.
1:06:40
Thanks. That's the radical move.
1:06:43
I like it. Easily agreeable.
1:06:46
And now we have 10. All right, I'm going to run it
1:06:48
down here, This charming man. Heaven knows I'm miserable now.
1:06:51
Please, please, please let me get what I want.
1:06:53
The That joke isn't funny anymore.
1:06:55
I know it's over. Death of a disco dancer.
1:06:57
Panic. Unlovable.
1:06:59
There's a light that never goes out.
1:07:00
And nowhere fast. Now Gavin, of those 10, which
1:07:04
one do you think is the one? OK, that.
1:07:08
Wow, I forgot about this part of the game.
1:07:11
Well, right away this charming man jumps out right at him.
1:07:15
Yeah, it does, Yeah. And I think there is a light,
1:07:18
obviously you can't ignore that, that would jump out.
1:07:22
I know it's over to panic. Yeah, it's between those two in
1:07:26
my opinion. Alright.
1:07:28
What do you think? And I would vote for this
1:07:29
charming man out of those two. Yeah, I think it is over.
1:07:35
There's those two. If there was a third in the
1:07:38
race, I probably would Chuck Panic in there.
1:07:41
Yeah. But I think I'm thinking about
1:07:45
the end of year. Yeah thing too.
1:07:48
Seems to be what everyone's doing each week now.
1:07:51
I'm noticed it's becoming a bit competitive.
1:07:56
I would go with this charming man on that basis.
1:07:59
I think, I think you got to catch their attention right off
1:08:02
the bat, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
1:08:06
I think, yeah, I think, I think that definitely does that.
1:08:12
I think it I think it stands a better chance in in the best of
1:08:15
episode so. Justin, was that one that you'd
1:08:18
heard before that you didn't know it was suspicious?
1:08:22
No. You never heard that ever.
1:08:25
I guess maybe maybe in passing, but it didn't.
1:08:28
It didn't light anything in me like it when when I heard it, I
1:08:31
didn't go, oh, I think I heard this before, But you know, now
1:08:35
that I think about it, I kind of vaguely recall it.
1:08:41
So maybe it it's something that I kind of heard in passing on
1:08:44
the radio or something. So.
1:08:47
Well, there we go. This charming man is our number
1:08:49
one. Let me go back to our list here.
1:08:53
This charming man. Heaven knows I'm miserable now.
1:08:55
Please, please, please let me get what I want.
1:08:57
That joke isn't funny anymore. I know it's over.
1:08:59
At death of the disco dancer. Panic, unlovable.
1:09:02
There's a light that never goes out in nowhere fast.
1:09:04
Let's let this charming man get a moment in the sun.
1:09:07
Hopefully boom. Just like that.
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