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Annoyingly Happy: One Mom's Hashimoto's Comeback · White Coat Black Sheep

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Welcome to White Coat Black Sheep, where science gets curious and dogma gets
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uncomfortable. I'm your host, Dr. Sebely.
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Today we talk physiology, evidence, and real-world medicine, plus the questions
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you're not supposed to ask but probably should.
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If you care about health and think there's a better way, welcome to our show.
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Thank you so much for coming on today. Let us hear your name and what do you do?
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My name is Jen, and I am, I use the term loosely, a stay-at-home
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mom.
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Mom, CEO.
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Yep. Yep, all the things that nobody else has time to-do.
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I need a mom-
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Yes
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... that's available at all times. I could use some help.
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My whole family uses me that way, I think.
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Oh my gosh. Well, I'm so happy to have you here. I know it was a sacrifice.
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You have a lot of shifts and changes, health-related, not
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health-related in your family right now.
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Mm-hmm.
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Welcome to share as much or as little as you like today.
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My goal is that we get to hear your journey.
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I love your transformation.
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Thank you.
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I love it so much.
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Thank you for having me.
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Yeah.
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I'm excited to share and hopefully inspire some people to just
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take it into their own hands.
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Yeah.
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Like
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you said, ask the questions.
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Yes.
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It's-
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It starts there.
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Yeah. You're not going to get any answers without it.
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So
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without you, it wouldn't be possible.
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Oh my gosh.
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I am 49 years old, and
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a couple of years back, I found myself in burnout and
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very overweight and just not getting answers from doctors, and I
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was led to you, and you gave me permission
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to question things, and it just made it okay, and you just changed my
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life.
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Oh my gosh. So if we rewind, let's say one year ago-
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Mm-hmm
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...
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how would you describe Jen? How would you describe how you felt, your
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daily functioning, the challenges that you found you were running
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into often that you really were like, "This is frustrating. I hate this.
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I want to change this." And then, I guess the barriers that you kept
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running into that kept you from overcoming.
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So I do have autoimmune disease, Hashimoto's, and
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hypothyroidism.
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You would never know.
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Yeah. And I don't feel it now.
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And I
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had burnout from being a caregiver for one family member or another.
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I also ran a dog rescue, so all of these things.
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And I had put on weight. I was going to doctors, begging for
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help. They would run blood work and say everything was normal.
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My least favorite word, normal.
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Me too.
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Their answer to everything was, "Just lose weight." Well, wouldn't I have loved to
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do that? I was trying.
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Brain fog really bad.
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If you can recall, the first time we met, I could not get my words out,
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and you just saw all of that, and I've never had that,
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where a doctor just watched me and could
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bring those words out for me. Usually a rush.
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And
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from that appointment on, it just spiraled.
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I just was like-
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Oh
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... "Okay, she said that this is okay, so I'm just going to start doing deep
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dives."
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Yeah. I feel like I really didn't do anything.
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You told me
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from your own words what's going on, or even the lack of the
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ability to say is a symptom. The word finding is a
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symptom. And it sounds like you didn't put those two together-
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Mm-hmm
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... I guess as a starter, a good place to start.
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So on the doctor side, it's my job to recognize that.
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Yeah. And you just made me feel comfortable enough
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to tell you everything that I was feeling, because in the past,
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doctors will shut you down. They don't want to hear it.
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You get one to three symptoms. That's it.
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They're like, "Okay."
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Yeah. After that, they're like, "Okay, this is too deep."
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Yeah.
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And always shut down with, "Let's do blood work."
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Yeah.
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And then you never hear from them again.
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No.
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Or you get a phone call, "Everything was normal."
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From not the doctor.
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Yeah. Yeah. And so if you have questions you can't ask or schedule a
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follow-up that's two months down the road.
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But during those appointments, you listened, and
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you gave me tools. You even gave me things to read up on, which was so
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helpful.
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Yes.
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And then the mention of peptides, of course.
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What? Who said that? Hold on.
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Yeah.
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Yes. I
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didn't know anything about it. Did a deep dive, and then of
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course, when I came back to you, and I told you what I did, you weren't mad.
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You didn't shame me.
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Oh yeah, I remember. You're like, "Okay, don't be mad."
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Yes.
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That's how you started.
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Because doctors being mean when you do something on your own is a real
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thing, and I'm sure so many people have experienced that and have
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no hope when they go in and-
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Mm-hmm
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... I don't feel that way anymore.
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Yes.
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Yeah. I'm just always telling people, "If your doctor tells you
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this is your new normal, get a new doctor."
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Yeah. It's interesting. I feel like the script has just flipped so that-
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Mm-hmm
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... on my side, on the medical side, we're just so anchored
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to the paper.
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Mm-hmm.
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We're forgetting about the human that's right here.
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Getting our perspective and our training, putting that all
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together, we're taught fundamentally to treat the person.
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Right.
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But it's very easy to get off track and say, "Well,
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let's just look at what the data shows." And that's great.
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That's intelligent. That's wonderful.
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Mm-hmm.
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But it is never superior to the person in front of you and what
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they're saying.
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Right.
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That's my hierarchy of management.
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And it just makes us feel heard, and that's what a lot
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of people, I'm sure, are looking for.
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They just want to feel like somebody is actually listening to what they're saying.
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Yes.
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And
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from me, it went to family members, and my whole family is doing
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better because I'm able to-
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Yeah
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... incorporate things that I've learned from the directions that you've pointed me
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in.
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That's awesome.
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I mean...
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Patient empowerment.
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Yes. And I'm sure maybe that's a frustration that the doctors have
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when we're given tools and people don't use them.
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Yeah.
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So you can kind of tell who's going to take what you're saying and who's not, but-
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That's true. Yeah
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...
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it doesn't have to be all one way or the other.
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Yeah
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There's many different ways to get to the same result, I'm sure.
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So it was just-
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Definitely
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... it's interesting to see what's out there and to realize the whole,
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everyone was telling me calories in, calories out, and I'm like, "But that didn't
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work. I tried that."
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Yeah.
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"It didn't work."
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I'm tired of that too.
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Only to,
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as I'm learning more about food,
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the reason, in my opinion, I'm not a medical professional, but-
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You're doing pretty good
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...
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our food isn't made the same.
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Mm-mm. Something's wrong with it.
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Yeah.
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Something is wrong with our food.
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It's not the same.
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Yeah.
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So the same calories in, calories out, maybe for whole food,
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clean food, yes, that works.
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Yes.
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But if the damage is already done, we've got to go back and repair it so that-
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Yeah
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... calories in, calories out works.
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Yes.
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And that's what I'm working on now, is going back and repairing all the damage
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that we did.
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I love doing this stuff.
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Deep to the mitochondria, right?
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Yes.
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Yes. I love it.
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Yes. I love the u- Okay, did you know what that was prior to our-
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No.
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Okay.
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I did not. But you have taught me so much.
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And continue to teach me.
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It's important to reset it, repair it.
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Mm-hmm.
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Otherwise, all of the other things aren't going to stick.
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I believe the changes that you've made have added
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benefit to your thyroid's mitochondria.
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Your body's ability to regulate has everything to do with the
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mitochondria and where they're located.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I'm able to... Working on my nervous
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system, of course, it was shot, so you've got to do all the other things, too.
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The exercise and the meditation and taking time.
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I was so good at taking care of everybody else-
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Mm-hmm
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... but I needed permission to take care of myself, and you gave me that.
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And it sounds crazy that I needed permission to do it, but it feels
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selfish when you try to give it for yourself, but it's not selfish when you're
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doing it for someone else. So it was just so good, and now
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everyone benefits from me taking care of myself so
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...
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I love it.
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I have so much more energy. I can keep up with my grandbabies and keep up with all
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of my animals, and help my family in a way that I couldn't before because the
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energy just wasn't there, and the focus wasn't there.
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That is just so cool. I love it.
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Yes.
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The steps that you took along the way.
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So you recognized there's a gap between what you
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knew and where you wanted to-
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Mm-hmm
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... be knowledgeable.
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Right.
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So learning from me, doing your own research, what were the
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things that you were looking at online that you really found was the most
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helpful?
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I think
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learning how our body processes
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not just food, but there are so many people taking 20 vitamins
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that-
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Mm-hmm
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... and maybe it's not doing anything, and they don't-
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Just shots in the dark.
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Yeah. And so learning how all of that works, and it seems like it's a lot of
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work, but it's not. You can find
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the simplest videos on YouTube looking up protocols.
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It also matters the
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web browser that you use.
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Oh, yeah. You're right.
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It will depend on the answers that you get.
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That is such a good point. What's your preference?
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I like DuckDuckGo.
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Okay.
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I am looking for another one because I'm noticing some
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things. But I did get more information off of DuckDuckGo than I did
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straight from Google.
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Okay.
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I felt like information was restricted on Google a little bit.
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Interesting.
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Maybe I wasn't wording it right.
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No, you're correct with that.
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But I just felt like you only got one or two answers.
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Wasn't
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a whole lot of information out there.
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So,
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yes, some on social media, but I would vet the information then
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and not take it at face value.
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Mm-hmm.
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Do the deeper dive to make sure and verify the information that I'm seeing.
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Yes.
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Because with AI, you just never know.
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No, and it does the hallucination thing, which is so weird.
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Yes.
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So it's reliable, reliable, now it's crazy. Like, what?
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Yes. I'm like, okay, that went off in a different direction
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than what I was looking for. I don't remember typing that word in, but-
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Yeah. Or fake references.
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Yes.
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Fake papers, fake information, opposite information.
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It has not arrived yet.
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Yes.
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And it's almost maybe intentional to maybe secure jobs-
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Confuse
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... and give confusion.
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So that we don't do this ourselves, because if we're confused-
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Yeah
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... we'll just give up.
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Yeah.
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And so I looked for multiple resources that stated the
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same thing, because when you have conflicting, you're only going to have one
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or two that says this, but you're going to have 20 that say this other thing-
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Yes
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... if that's the legit thing.
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Yes.
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So, that's the direction I went with it.
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So I changed my whole vitamin regimen, and I went back to
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basics. I was taking 20, and- ... they
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clearly weren't doing anything because I don't take any of those now.
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And then I did. I followed the deep hole of peptides, and
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learning about peptides also taught me about how our body works.
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Right.
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So-
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It does
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... you can't help but learn.
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Yep.
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Of course, I know some of these people will do things that maybe their body doesn't
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need. I'm not that extreme, but-
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Yeah
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...
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it's been life-changing. And you don't have to feel terrible.
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You don't have to feel tired. It is not normal.
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Yep.
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I don't know. And it's addicting to
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feel so good. Right? To just-
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It almost feels wrong.
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It does. I'm like,
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okay, I am annoyingly happy at this point.
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No, annoyingly. I agree.
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And I say that, my family is just like, "What is wrong with you?"
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I love that. Yeah, no, I have to dial it down.
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It's like a behavior thing for me now.
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Yes.
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Other people will hate you for it. You know?
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Yes.
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You have too much energy.
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Like, "What is the matter with you?"
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Yeah.
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"You drank too much coffee today." And I'm like, "I only had two cups."
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Like the morning person that everybody is like, "Oh, okay."
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Yes.
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Like, "Good morning."
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Yes. But it's
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like I find myself saying hi to strangers.
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Like-
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Yes. I actually use that as a mile marker to some people when I try to help them
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understand.
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The question I'm always asked is, how do I know when my hormones
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are working or if they're balanced or if they're right when we're starting a new
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dose or-
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Mm-hmm
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... a new regimen? And my answer is typically, when you're saying good
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morning to people, you're saying hi to your neighbor that you usually can't stand.
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You are
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tolerating people breathing that would otherwise be so irritating, or like the
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chewing sounds of somebody.
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Yes.
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So you're like- Oh, you want some more?
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Yes
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That was delicious.
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Dogs licking. I'd be like, "Stop that."
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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But those things turn from annoying and bothersome
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to
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it doesn't bother you. It doesn't hit the same center-
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Mm-hmm
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... in your brain.
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Yes. And I'm not
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seeking... It's like we could just do a deep dive on it, but
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I used to start one project, and then I'm distracted by another
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one. Now I'm onto that one.
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Your brain just functions better when everything is clean and you're
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functioning the way that you're supposed to, and-
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I love that
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... then you're questioning more.
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Mm-hmm.
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Can be kind of a downside of things, but because now I'm like
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it went bad. We went fresh milled flour bad.
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Decisions get made.
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Yes.
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You shift out of bad patterns. You cause
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change.
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Yes.
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And it's good for you. It doesn't mean it's always good for peop- some people-
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I think my whole-
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Yeah
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... yes, my whole family is just like, "Oh, what is she going to have us doing
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now?" There is no junk food in this house.
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Not unless I make it.
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Contraband.
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Yes. And it's not perfection, it's progress.
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Yeah.
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And because there's always ways to improve, but
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perfection just isn't... It's not logical.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so being realistic with myself and doing these
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things and just implementing it where
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it works-
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Yeah
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... is
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the goal, so.
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Yes. Did you find it was challenging?
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So as you were saying, you are searching the internet, you're using different
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search engines, and then
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here's the medical community. We are very
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divided on this front. We have different
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opinions. And I would say this is the most,
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I would say, diverse-
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Mm-hmm
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... time probably than it's been in a very long time.
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Because we all start at the same place, and then now you have all these different
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doctors that are, "Never take peptides, they're dangerous.
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Only have good resources. The gray space." There's all these
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opinions. It's very abstract.
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Yes.
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None of it is very clear black and white, and simple.
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Yeah. And I think
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it's hard to speak on behalf of those doctors who are against things or maybe just
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don't know.
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So it was important to keep an open mind on what everyone was saying and try to
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see their viewpoint on it, because maybe they have a good point, even if it sounds
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kind of negative.
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Mm-hmm.
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But it just made me want to research more because
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they clearly feel that way for a reason, so.
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Mm-hmm.
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While I do look into it more than the average person probably,
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but that's why I just try to like-
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... annoy people with the information that I have because I have to get it out.
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I can't keep it in. I have to give it to somebody so that I'm not just-
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No, they need to know.
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Yeah. And so I'm just going to share what I learned so that you don't have to do so
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much work.
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Yeah.
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You don't have to-
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That's how I feel.
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Yes.
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I feel exactly like that.
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Well, I'm going to blame it on you because I think you started it.
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Okay, but you know what started it for me?
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What?
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Is I have been personally affected.
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Yeah.
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I didn't feel good. I have had weight up and down.
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I have had highs and lows in my life, and things that shifted my health
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to where I could barely even walk down the street because my asthma was too bad,
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or
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just regulating your circadian rhythm, just the feeling tired.
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I never felt tired, I never felt rested.
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Mm-hmm.
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I just was in this, I felt disconnected from my body.
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Yes.
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I felt horrible.
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Yes.
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All the time.
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You just didn't belong. I just didn't belong in this body. This can't be...
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This can't be my body.
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Yes.
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There's got to be a mistake somewhere. Let me send this one back.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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I need a refund.
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In my mind, I loved exercise.
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Mm-hmm.
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I loved learning, I enjoyed people,
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animals, activities. But the reality is my body was
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not performing.
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Yeah.
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And hitting those moments in my life when everything
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in my mind was not matching up with the reality, I was just very
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frustrated. Nobody can help you. There's all these different
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categories that people are... It's like grasping at straws.
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Yeah.
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The recommendations for this or that. I had tried all the supplements.
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You just don't feel good. You're just dragging a carcass around.
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Yeah. And adding the supplements that don't work almost make you feel
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worse.
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Based on nothing. You're like, "I'm going to try this because I hear it's good for
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you."
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Yeah. And
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then it's just like you're taken in by the
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influencers and all of the commercials that are really good at putting that in your
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face to convince-
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Yeah
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... you that that's the right thing.
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Mm-hmm.
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But we're
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in the age of information, and it can be a bad thing.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's because you're only getting half information, and you need whole information
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to make the decision.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I think that's where people lose patience.
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Of course, we're all ADHD in some way, so-
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Mm-hmm
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... move on to the next thing because the information- ... was too hard to get.
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Yeah.
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So I just
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think that if everyone slows down a little bit and realizes things aren't like they
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used to be-
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Mm-hmm
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... you do have to read labels more.
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Things aren't as they seem.
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Mm-hmm.
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You'll get it, and it'll slowly just start coming in more and more, and
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then-
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Yeah
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... you're going to feel empowered and want to do more for yourself and more for
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your family, because-
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Yeah
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... I can't imagine feeling like I did a year ago.
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It's just a crazy transformation, physically and-
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Yes
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... mentally
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and everything in between.
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Yes. I think
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I was
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185 pounds the day I came to see you.
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Wow.
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And I am at a healthy weight. I try not to focus
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on scales because now we're working on building strength
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and-
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Yes
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... mobility because all of those things are important to keep-
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Mm-hmm
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... from slowly letting my body get tired again, so.
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Yes.
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We just focus on that.
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But just being where I'm at and having the energy to do all of the things is just
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so good.
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To conquer the world. That's all.
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Yes. Now I'm like, "Now what can I do?"
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Tell people about it.
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Yes. My husband is just like, "All right.
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What is she going to get into next?" Because we were talking about it.
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Has he had transformation?
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He has.
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Yes.
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He has lost weight, and he wasn't big to begin with,
21:37
but I would say the biggest thing for our family is
21:41
inflammation. The amount of inflammation that everyone in my family, and yes, I
21:46
mean everyone in my family, was carrying-
21:49
... from the things that are in our food-
21:53
It made everybody look different.
21:57
I'm like, "Hey, I remember you."
21:59
Yeah. The face changes. The way your shirts fit.
22:04
Yes.
22:04
Your waist
22:06
circumference is different.
22:08
The way you can then hold yourself again.
22:12
You're not just rounded over and tired and heavy and-
22:16
Yes
22:17
... my husband is down, I think, 25, 30 pounds.
22:20
Geez, that's great.
22:21
No longer needs blood pressure medication. Sorry babe, I'm sharing your info here.
22:26
Sign the release.
22:27
Yeah. Trying to--
22:30
Doctors are like, "Oh, cholesterol medication." Their first answer is a statin.
22:35
That's what we're trained.
22:36
Guess who doesn't need that?
22:38
Well, actually, we are trained to say lifestyle modification, but then there's no
22:42
really
22:44
clear definition to that. And then if you're somebody who has all these things
22:49
you're juggling at once, plus-
22:51
Mm-hmm
22:51
... stress and you're not sleeping and you're choosing poor food choices, you can't
22:55
really stick to that lifestyle change.
22:58
Yeah. And it's just lucky for him, he has
23:03
me to regulate him and control what he eats, but-
23:06
He's so lucky. I love this for him
23:08
... he's been struggling. Right. He's the first to tell you he feels so much
23:10
better.
23:13
And it's the same thing, he's a papa, so he's got to have the energy to keep
23:18
up with grandbabies, too.
23:19
Yes.
23:20
And our kids, they're still active, and he's got to be able to keep up with me now,
23:25
so.
23:26
And so it's just the same thing, though. I had high cholesterol.
23:30
They were bugging me. I'm like, "I'm not taking that."
23:33
Mm-hmm. But your thyroid wasn't where it should be, so you cannot correct the
23:37
cholesterol component until you correct the Hashimoto's.
23:41
Yeah. And I wanted-
23:42
That's what we did
23:43
... I wanted proof. Show me proof that I am making too much cholesterol for my
23:47
body-
23:48
Yeah
23:49
... instead of I'm just not able to do what I'm supposed to do with it.
23:52
Mm-hmm.
23:53
And they couldn't prove that, so.
23:54
Love it.
23:55
Just going to have to wait, sir.
23:58
And now I don't need it, so.
23:59
It's interesting. Some would argue that you can just always try
24:04
harder. That
24:07
somebody's lazy if they use any peptides, and that it's, in a sense,
24:12
cheating to use any of that stuff.
24:17
What would you say to that?
24:21
Everyone's entitled to their opinions.
24:24
Let me bring out-
24:25
Amen.
24:27
Yeah.
24:29
Bring it. I don't think it's cheating.
24:32
It is, like I said, you're resetting your body back to the
24:37
factory settings. We've done so many things to ourselves that
24:41
none of the other stuff is going to do what it's supposed to do if your body
24:46
doesn't function right, so-
24:47
Mm-hmm
24:47
... it's not even about the weight loss or
24:52
using the shot as weight loss. The other things that these things did
24:56
for me,
24:58
put weight loss aside,
25:01
the amount of joint pain that I had and inflammation.
25:04
My shoes fit different now.
25:06
Isn't that weird?
25:08
I used to get restless leg so bad that I think I would kick my husband in my sleep.
25:13
Oh my gosh.
25:14
Straight donkey kick him.
25:16
A lot of people struggle with that.
25:18
Yes. And it makes you crazy because you wake up feeling tired because you were
25:21
running all night.
25:24
I should be in better shape for the amount of restless leg I had.
25:28
Why are my calves not more developed with this?
25:29
Right. And so I
25:33
can see where they might think it's cheating, but
25:37
it's repair in my opinion.
25:39
Mm-hmm.
25:40
It's so much more important to fix it.
25:45
And then
25:48
I think being this way, I'll just put it bluntly, using peptides
25:53
is much better than the way I was living life before. That wasn't healthy, so.
25:58
Yeah. No. Same. And it's not
26:03
for lack of trying. It's just there is something deficient.
26:07
Mm-hmm.
26:08
You don't know quite what it is, but if we know what can mostly get
26:12
that back to center-
26:14
Yeah
26:15
... then let's do that.
26:17
Yeah.
26:18
And it's not forever.
26:19
No, none of them are forever.
26:23
Once you repair it, as long as you keep doing the right things.
26:27
Yes.
26:27
Now, of course, at least if you
26:30
fall off the wagon or
26:33
do something that maybe causes an inflammatory reaction-
26:36
Mm-hmm
26:36
... you have tools there to get you back, and you don't have to continue to just
26:41
downslide and end up down in the ditch where you were before.
26:45
You don't stay back there.
26:46
Yes.
26:47
You're like, "Get up."
26:48
Yeah.
26:49
"Get back to it."
26:50
Exactly. So I think it's great to have tools.
26:53
That's the way that they initially considered medication.
26:56
It was a tool-
26:57
Yes
26:57
... to fix this, but-
26:59
Yes. That's what I say. Why are we so
27:02
up in arms about the latest
27:06
peptide or whatever? If we're not happy with how they came
27:11
about, well then somebody pour some of their own millions into this and let's make
27:15
it right.
27:16
Yeah.
27:16
It's just money. It's just a few millions, maybe a billion. That's all.
27:21
I was just going to say, I'm like, "Oh, it's money."
27:23
Yeah.
27:23
I even had insurance. The insurance company played a huge
27:28
role in me not being able to get the care that I
27:32
needed and telling me, "We're not paying for your blood work."
27:37
Yeah.
27:38
"You didn't need it." Well, how do you know?
27:41
What was the, I guess the diagnosis?
27:44
Hashimoto's was not good enough?
27:47
Well, first I was denied seeing an endocrinologist
27:51
from my primary after being diagnosed with Hashimoto's, saying I didn't need
27:56
one.
27:57
Okay.
27:57
That was the legit reason I was given. You don't need one.
28:00
Oh, my.
28:02
Okay.
28:05
You're like, "But I have it."
28:05
And you know who? Now, this was coming from the insurance department, not even from
28:10
another doctor.
28:10
Right.
28:10
Yeah. I'm like, "Okay. Well, let me ask somebody else.
28:16
I'm not taking that as an answer." And they were like, "Well, the treatment is the
28:20
same. It's the same as the medication you're already on." Okay, but I don't want to
28:24
know about treatment. I want to know why I have it.
28:27
And I think I really irritated them.
28:30
Yeah. Why is that question so annoying?
28:33
That's the kind of questions I like to ask, and I encourage
28:37
patients and everybody to ask because how do we get
28:42
here? If I would've started with those questions-
28:45
Exactly
28:45
... I would've never ended up to how bad I felt at one point.
28:50
Yeah. And well, because I want to know what not to do again.
28:53
Of course.
28:54
Like, okay, well, how did I get here?
28:56
Oh, it was these three things that I ate or these three
29:01
lifestyle changes-
29:03
Yes
29:04
... that I need to incorporate and keep.
29:06
Yes.
29:07
And so it was just very frustrating to be told that I didn't need the
29:10
endocrinologist, I don't need blood work.
29:14
Even once I initially got put on thyroid medication, they told me which kind I
29:19
could have, that I didn't need a bioidentical. Synthetic was just fine.
29:25
Now what do you think?
29:27
I'll refrain from...
29:32
Do you have a preference?
29:32
There is a difference. I have a preference.
29:36
I felt sicker on synthetic than I do on bioidentical, and
29:40
I don't even think it's that big of a difference for insurance,
29:44
but what do I know about the finances of it?
29:48
Mm-hmm.
29:48
Yeah, it made a big difference, and it took you to make that change for me.
29:53
Oh, yay.
29:54
You were the one that changed it. The others would not change it.
29:58
One doctor that I saw said he would change it, but he didn't know anything about
30:02
it.
30:03
He was willing.
30:04
He was willing, but
30:06
I was kind of nervous then to do the switch with him because I'm like...
30:10
It's the first time.
30:12
Okay, well.
30:13
"Is this your first one?" Yes, it is.
30:14
Yeah. I'm like, "Okay, well, I don't know if I want to...
30:18
I'm willing to help you learn, but-"
30:22
I mean.
30:22
"Kind of scary when I'm already not feeling good."
30:25
He was honest. I appreciate that.
30:27
Yes.
30:29
And I know that has to be hard for them, too.
30:31
And because you guys are trained a specific way, it's like I
30:36
can't fault him because he's going off of what he was taught.
30:39
So-
30:40
Yeah
30:40
... but maybe I triggered something in him and maybe he went home and did some
30:43
research or
30:45
took another seminar or something like that, and it inspired
30:50
him. But I'm just-
30:51
That is a thing. In fact-
30:53
Yes
30:53
... I would encourage you or anybody listening, if there's something that is
30:58
important to you, I would say give your doctor or provider a
31:02
chance to learn about it. Maybe at the time of the visit,
31:07
he honestly told you, "I don't know anything about this," but he was open to it
31:12
and interested. So that might be all it takes to push somebody to get
31:17
the certification, take the courses-
31:19
Mm-hmm
31:19
... become the expert, and they can help more people that way.
31:23
Yeah. I think maybe they're intimidated by
31:29
whether it's insurance or
31:32
if they're working in an office setting where it's not encouraged, but hopefully
31:37
sharing just everything that I've done and everything that I've gone through, it
31:41
inspires more people to be in charge of their life and
31:46
their health because the doctors can't help you if you're not honest and if you
31:50
don't advocate for yourself.
31:52
Yes. Absolutely. When it comes to your
31:56
food choices, what does that look like in terms of what you changed?
32:04
Changed a lot of processed food. That's clearly where the issue
32:09
is, where most of the toxicity is. So switching
32:13
to, and I'm still kind of up in the air, organic versus non-organic.
32:18
Mm-hmm.
32:18
There's so many things out there saying, "Oh, it's all from the same field."
32:22
Haven't been able to get legit answers on that yet, so I offer anybody to
32:27
point me in the right direction on that.
32:29
But,
32:30
I try to shop the farmers' markets, shop local, support local,
32:35
and then
32:37
limit the processed food because-
32:39
Yep
32:39
... it is hard to cut it out, and sometimes you're in a hurry, or sometimes it's a
32:43
really busy day. But
32:47
changing that,
32:49
like I brought up the fresh milled flour, I am still learning.
32:54
Props to anybody who's doing it really good because I'm still learning.
32:58
It's-
32:58
Like making bread and-
33:00
Uh-huh.
33:00
Yeah.
33:01
But it
33:02
has so much more flavor, and
33:06
it
33:08
has so many things in it that I think it's actually maybe why so many people have
33:12
gut issues because-
33:13
Oh, I'm sure
33:13
... all that stuff's been taken out of our bread-
33:15
Yes
33:16
... put back in synthetically.
33:17
Yes.
33:18
And the body's like, "What is this?"
33:19
It's like, "I don't know what this is.
33:21
It feels like a plastic of some sort."
33:23
Right?
33:23
"We'll just store it for a minute-"
33:24
Kind of what I think it is
33:25
"... till we can figure it out."
33:26
Yeah, and it just makes everything taste better.
33:31
You don't feel terrible after you eat it.
33:33
Yeah.
33:34
And it's kind of fun.
33:35
Yeah. So you changed out processed foods,
33:39
and did you find it was difficult? I know now it's probably
33:44
easier, but initially starting out, you had to figure out what
33:49
tastes good, what can you tolerate, what makes you feel full and
33:54
enjoy eating, because some people find a lot of their pleasure
33:59
from food.
34:01
That is probably where,
34:04
and this might be where people say, "Oh, it's cheating." That is where
34:09
using something like Reda TrueTide helped.
34:12
It helps your mind settle down so you're not
34:17
overthinking the choice.
34:20
You can make the choice without
34:23
thinking, "Okay, how many calories is this? What is this?
34:25
Oh, you know what?" Immediately you feel guilty, so you're just going to eat the
34:28
bad thing. Oh, well. It really settled my brain down to where I didn't
34:33
overthink eating and I didn't overthink food, and I could just go in there and make
34:38
the better choices in the grocery store.
34:41
And then once you're clean eating for so long, your palate changes, and those other
34:45
things-
34:45
It does
34:45
... just don't sound good. And then when you eat them, you're like,
34:48
"This doesn't taste like what I remember it tasted like," so.
34:50
Yeah, it doesn't give you that dopamine.
34:52
No.
34:53
It's gross, in fact.
34:54
Yeah. And then, especially if you've been clean for a long time, when you eat it
34:58
the next day, you're kind of like, "I will never do that again." It's like a bad
35:03
food hangover.
35:04
Stays with you. Yeah, it is a hangover.
35:06
Yes. Your body is just like, "What did I do to make you mad?"
35:12
Yeah.
35:12
Like, "Why did you do this to me?"
35:14
Yeah.
35:14
But I also did,
35:18
with the information I got from you, I did a gut microbiome test. Eye-opening.
35:23
People-
35:26
... do your gut microbiome test.
35:27
See? Isn't it such a game changer?
35:30
I did not know
35:33
the information you could get from that, and it was so easy to
35:37
do, very interesting, and it's another thing that changed the
35:42
way I picked out the food that I ate.
35:44
I love that.
35:45
Yes. And once I corrected it, I can eat more foods.
35:50
Yes.
35:50
So all the things that did give me a stomachache don't affect me in that way
35:53
anymore, so.
35:55
Because you healed your gut lining.
35:56
Yes. And you're not like, "Okay, well, I have this event
36:01
that I'm going to. I can't eat anything because then I'm going to look seven months
36:05
pregnant."
36:07
You know?
36:07
That's so frustrating.
36:09
It is. You want to look cute the whole night.
36:11
A flat stomach.
36:13
Yes.
36:13
Yeah.
36:14
Yeah. And so
36:17
it's easy to say, "Oh, I'm just going to do the blood work," but if you're being
36:22
encouraged to do these other things, trust the process.
36:26
Mm-hmm.
36:27
I would love to do the deeper dive and do the other things that you've told us
36:31
about, the other
36:33
deeper gene testing and all of that stuff.
36:34
Yeah.
36:35
It's just so interesting to me.
36:36
The DNA Intellect.
36:36
Yes.
36:37
I love it.
36:38
Because I've even wondered, you have a doctor say, "Oh, well, it's
36:43
your family history."
36:46
Okay.
36:47
I have a problem with family history because are they taking into
36:52
consideration the environment of that generation?
36:56
You are so right.
36:57
Is it due to the genetics of my family, or is it due to the environment of my
37:01
family-
37:02
Ooh, that's good
37:02
... and the choices that my family made?
37:05
That's awesome. Yeah.
37:08
Yes. My mother passed away from lung cancer.
37:13
She was a heavy smoker throughout my childhood.
37:16
She quit when
37:18
my daughter was born. It was kind of a stipulation.
37:22
But there's no history of cancer in my
37:27
maternal side other than my mom. Well, now because my mom has had it,
37:32
it's in my family history. But is it because...
37:36
What was her age of diagnosis?
37:39
68.
37:41
Okay. It's technically not considered a family history related,
37:46
so under 65. It's those younger cancer
37:50
diagnoses-
37:51
Mm-hmm
37:53
... that are within the stats.
37:55
Yeah, and
37:58
again-
37:58
Yeah. Yay.
37:59
... every doctor tells you a different thing.
38:01
Yeah.
38:03
Unfortunately, I have a brain that questions everything.
38:08
No, fortunately.
38:10
That's so good. Because, look, it saved you. It saved your family.
38:14
I feel like it's changed everybody who has come in contact with you.
38:19
It's such a good thing.
38:21
I hope so. I hope that I have
38:24
helped people in some way because,
38:27
like I say, annoyingly happy.
38:30
Yes.
38:30
And I just want to spread it.
38:32
That's my motto for everyone.
38:33
It feels like there are so many sad people.
38:35
When I walk around town, I just feel like everybody's angry or sad or just doesn't
38:39
feel good, and
38:42
you just want to change it.
38:44
Yes.
38:44
I just want to change it.
38:45
Yes, and thoughts of irritability are
38:50
still in that category, and a lot of people don't put that
38:55
together. Your will to live, your interest, your curiosity,
38:59
your saying hi to neighbors, your wanting to be
39:04
around friends and just enjoy
39:08
life.
39:09
Yes.
39:10
That is a really great state.
39:13
Yes.
39:13
That's the goal.
39:15
Yeah.
39:15
Yeah.
39:16
And it inspired me to work on, I wasn't someone who
39:21
set boundaries. I was-
39:23
Yeah
39:23
... childhood trauma, so as you start to feel better, you're like, "I'm going to
39:27
work on these other things." And so it makes for better relationships around
39:32
you, and
39:34
it just improves things all around.
39:37
That's beautiful.
39:40
Yeah.
39:40
So when it comes to hormone replacement,
39:44
would you be open to mentioning anything about that?
39:48
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
39:50
What you started with, what your first experience was.
39:53
How fast did you feel more like yourself?
39:58
I
40:03
want to say it was immediate. I was feeling so terrible.
40:06
Yes.
40:07
So terrible.
40:10
I would say by day two or three that we started, I was
40:15
like, "I feel her coming back."
40:18
I love it.
40:19
Okay. You know what? Not even that.
40:21
The first night
40:23
of starting progesterone, I slept through the night.
40:27
Yes.
40:27
And I was happier the next day. I wasn't grumpy.
40:30
Isn't that amazing?
40:32
And then you
40:34
can't regulate your nervous system if you're not getting enough sleep.
40:38
Sleep is now one of my priorities. Didn't used to
40:42
be. I was a-
40:44
Same.
40:44
You know what? I can live on four hours of sleep.
40:45
Yeah.
40:45
My family has things I got to do, so I'm just going to set my alarm and it is what
40:48
it is.
40:48
Nothing a myth.
40:49
Yeah. Baloney.
40:52
It's baloney.
40:53
And so immediately the sleep got better, immediate.
40:57
But just slowly, the rest of it
41:00
just all started to click, and then
41:03
I want to say I saw you two weeks later.
41:07
We made a few little tweaks, and then from there, it just-
41:12
Oh, yay.
41:12
... just went off the rails, right?
41:16
So much joy for me to hear this.
41:19
Yes.
41:19
It really is.
41:20
Because when you're not feeling
41:24
like you even belong in this body, it's so hard to even want to try anything
41:28
anymore, and especially when you've had so many doctors tell you that, "This is it.
41:32
You're just going to feel this way."
41:33
Mm-hmm.
41:34
It can make you even more depressed, like, "Really, this is it?"
41:37
Yeah. So then you'll get a Zoloft, then you'll get a Wellbutrin.
41:40
You'll get some sort of antidepressant.
41:44
Oh, yeah. They were recommended.
41:45
Prescription.
41:45
They were prescribed, never filled, because I'm like-
41:48
Yeah
41:48
... "No, there has to be... There's more."
41:50
Yeah.
41:51
The worst thing you can do is tell me no, and-
41:54
Mm-hmm
41:54
... my husband can attest to that.
41:57
Yeah. I do not like being told no.
42:00
I don't like it either.
42:01
Yeah. And so when you tell me, "No, this is it," bet.
42:06
We'll see.
42:07
Yeah. And so it was just
42:12
so great to just have you listen and have all of those tools.
42:17
Mm-hmm.
42:18
That's the thing, just having all of those tools-
42:21
... ready for me to use and not be told,
42:26
like,
42:27
"Oh, you don't need that," or, "Oh, it's dangerous," or, "Oh,
42:33
it's..." And I think that's the thing.
42:35
So many women and probably men, I didn't even realize how many men our
42:40
age are probably dealing with some type of imbalance thanks to all-
42:44
They're suffering.
42:45
Yeah.
42:46
Yeah. They are.
42:46
And because men are quiet, they're not allowed to talk about those things.
42:50
Yes.
42:50
And
42:52
to know that there is something out there and that everybody can feel this good,
42:55
I'm telling you guys, everybody can feel this good.
42:58
It's true.
43:00
And so it's just like, okay, I have to start getting people to
43:04
see.
43:05
Mm-hmm.
43:06
Like...
43:07
Yeah, it's crazy because it used to be thought that any sort of hormone replacement
43:12
would give you cancer.
43:13
Mm-hmm.
43:13
But now we know the medical board has rescinded that.
43:17
It's a complete and fully endorsed by all
43:22
the boards that it is not true.
43:25
Yeah.
43:25
This is fake. So,
43:30
I can understand why so many years, this is what you're taught as doctors.
43:34
So, we are taught that the Earth is round, and-
43:39
Mm-hmm
43:39
... the medical things that we know to be true are in fact true, and we proceed
43:43
with the information that we have.
43:44
But now it's important that providers
43:48
really stay current, stay active, and
43:53
know these things, and be aware of the shifts because-
43:57
Yeah
43:57
... it's profound.
43:59
If I can find the information-
44:03
It's out there to be found.
44:04
You sound like you're good at it, though.
44:07
Well,
44:08
I
44:09
won't leave it alone until I have the answer, and that's part of the problem, but-
44:12
That's awesome
44:14
...
44:15
and that's why I'm just like, okay, well, now that I have the answer, I'm just
44:17
going to make it easier for everybody else to find, because-
44:20
I agree
44:21
... maybe I did spend a little longer than I should've and let something else
44:26
kind of go by the wayside for a little bit.
44:27
It's hard to balance all of the things, but-
44:29
Yes
44:29
... I
44:32
want people to know that things, like you said, they took the label off, I actually
44:37
knew that they took the label off long before they ever announced it because, like
44:41
I say-
44:42
Wow
44:42
... the information is out there.
44:44
Yes.
44:44
They just don't promote it.
44:46
They don't. And if you're the provider who just goes to
44:50
work and then goes home, we're not really watching that much TV or
44:55
news. That's fair. But at some point
44:59
at least-
45:00
Right
45:00
... get on the newsletter. I subscribe to different newsletters, so like the
45:04
DEA is, they have new things come about-
45:07
Mm-hmm
45:08
... it hits my email.
45:09
Oh, okay.
45:09
So you have to enroll yourself into these things to
45:14
get access to it-
45:16
Yeah
45:16
... instantly.
45:17
Yeah. And I don't use the news as information, I use it as
45:23
maybe a trigger point to research something.
45:25
Like when I hear it I'm like, "Really?"
45:29
Oh, really? That's-
45:31
Really
45:31
... that's not me.
45:32
Let me just check into this.
45:33
Yeah.
45:34
Like-
45:35
We'll see
45:36
... yeah.
45:38
The freedom of information,
45:41
it's good and bad-
45:42
Yeah
45:43
... but I'm going to use the good side of it and
45:47
just-
45:47
Yeah
45:48
... if you don't like what I'm saying, I'm open to find something else and-
45:52
Go read about it, too.
45:54
Yeah.
45:54
Yeah.
45:54
Yeah. There are so many, like you said, literature, newsletters.
45:59
Some doctors even post pictures of the newsletters that they get for the
46:03
public to read because-
46:05
I'm doing that more because I want to have conversation.
46:09
Yeah.
46:10
It's not to p**s people off, it's to start conversation.
46:14
So to me, that is how we make the real change.
46:18
Yeah. And that's you spreading the information that you give
46:24
has inspired me to look into all of that because until we're given permission by
46:29
even just one medical professional who's like, "I'm telling you there's more and
46:33
you just kind of need to
46:35
look."
46:37
There's thousands of us.
46:38
Yes. More and more.
46:40
Yeah.
46:40
More and more, and I love it, and I just follow every single one
46:45
so that I can just continue to learn.
46:47
And when people are like, "I can't find a doctor here," I'm like,
46:53
"I know somebody." Because
46:57
it's just so hard to watch these people just not feel good and just be told, "Well,
47:01
this is it."
47:02
And just feel hopeless. Yeah.
47:03
Yeah.
47:03
I know. I agree.
47:05
Yeah. And some people aren't brave enough to go down a peptide rabbit
47:10
hole or try those things without the reassurance of a physician.
47:13
Mm-hmm.
47:14
And that's totally understandable, too.
47:16
Yes.
47:17
But again, that's where you come in and I just say, "Well, go see her because..."
47:22
Because you know that I care, and you are living proof.
47:26
Yeah.
47:27
You're living proof, and you really wanted this for yourself.
47:30
You wanted it for yourself before, but the tools weren't there.
47:34
Yeah.
47:34
So then once you just found the tools, then it's like, doom.
47:38
Yeah.
47:38
Look at you. It's awesome. So people can change their life.
47:43
They're not stuck-
47:45
Yeah
47:45
... ever in their situation, in their body, in
47:49
however they might be feeling. There's options, there's people, there's things,
47:54
there's tools. You just have to keep looking.
47:56
Yeah. And use what other people are telling you.
48:00
I'm sure not every person wants to learn how to read blood work, not every person
48:04
wants to learn about as deep as I've gone into it,
48:08
but you benefit from learning just a little bit of those things.
48:12
You can get yourself better care if you just learn a little bit-
48:16
Yes
48:16
... about
48:18
everything.
48:19
Right.
48:19
How everything functions. Like learning that insurance companies play a huge part
48:23
in our care.
48:25
I know.
48:25
Why? But-
48:26
I know. It almost sounds crazy, but there's algorithms that
48:31
we're supposed to follow, and to go outside of that, you're just a lone ranger
48:36
standing by yourself.
48:37
Yeah. I didn't know that they had that kind of power.
48:40
Oh, yeah.
48:41
Because that is what it seems like.
48:42
It's a power grab, like let's-
48:45
It is
48:45
... restrict because if we're sick, we can't question.
48:50
Right.
48:50
If we're sick, we are just going to go with the motions and-
48:54
Mm-hmm
48:55
... not
48:57
do the things that they don't want us doing-
49:00
Mm-hmm
49:00
... is what it feels like. It all feels intentional.
49:02
Yeah. It sort of does. I know. There's definitely good, there's
49:07
bad on both sides. So on one hand, yes, there's safety in having a
49:12
regulatory board and all of these checkpoints-
49:14
Mm-hmm. Yeah
49:15
... and these prolonged trials that are required, but at the same
49:20
time, there is corruption that we know exists.
49:23
There is another side, a dark side that is always at
49:27
play.
49:28
Yeah.
49:29
And ideally, good always wins, but that's not
49:33
always true, and it's not always-
49:35
Yeah
49:35
... immediate.
49:36
Yeah.
49:38
And some people just don't have the energy for that, but-
49:42
Right
49:43
... I do hope that physicians start
49:47
to do like what you did. You trusted what I was telling you about how I felt.
49:52
You-
49:52
Mm-hmm. I believed you.
49:54
Yeah.
49:56
Everyone feels like they're being questioned, like they're not believed.
50:00
And
50:01
even as my mom's caregiver, I had
50:05
some medical doctors, I would tell them something about what she was dealing with,
50:08
and they didn't want to hear it. "Oh, no, that's not the case." But then I had some
50:12
who were like, "You know her better than anybody.
50:15
We're going to take what you're saying." And-
50:17
Mm-hmm
50:18
... there were things that went missed by one, but because they listened to me-
50:22
Mm-hmm
50:23
... found the things that I knew were there.
50:25
Mm-hmm.
50:25
And that's maybe it's also a fit, like a
50:29
physician-patient fit. There's a fit for everybody.
50:32
Yes. I love that you said that. It's true because I can't help everybody.
50:36
Yeah.
50:36
But there's a lot of people that I can help, and you never know on the patient side
50:40
or on the provider side who
50:43
feels triggered.
50:44
Mm-hmm.
50:44
There's just an underlying familiarity
50:49
that somebody, some stranger might pick up-
50:52
Yeah
50:52
... and something about you is similar to somebody they don't like,
50:57
and they just don't like you.
50:58
Yeah. But at least you can point them in the right-- You know what?
51:02
I think maybe this one would be a good fit, or-
51:05
Yes
51:05
... maybe that physician can tell them, "You know what?
51:07
She'd be a good fit." And so it's
51:10
like shoes, you just got to try them.
51:12
Yeah, you just try them on. You don't have to buy them, you just try them on.
51:15
Yeah. And eventually you'll get where you're supposed to be.
51:19
It's-
51:19
Mm-hmm
51:20
... everything happens for a reason.
51:22
Yeah.
51:23
The path that I took to get to you is ... is a crazy one.
51:28
And I've met so many wonderful people who led me there, and just
51:33
doing things out of the norm for myself.
51:35
And so-
51:37
... do the thing. It's scary, but do it.
51:40
I love that. Ugh. Well, as of today, how many
51:45
days per week are you really lifting or exercising?
51:49
What does it look like now to maintain?
51:53
I am not exercising like I would like to.
51:56
Most of my exercise comes from chasing
51:59
grandbabies.
52:01
They're two under two.
52:03
So most of my activeness comes from that and caring for animals, of course.
52:08
Animals take a lot of...
52:10
and it ranges from chickens to horses, of course.
52:12
But-
52:13
Oh, I love horses
52:13
... I do try to do at least body weight stuff.
52:16
You can squat while you curl your hair.
52:18
You can-
52:19
Yep
52:19
... grab a dumbbell while you're brushing your teeth.
52:22
Mm-hmm.
52:23
Just wherever you can fit it in. But
52:28
I don't bully myself if I'm not able to.
52:30
That was-
52:31
Good. Self-shaming is another part of the journey.
52:34
Yes. "Oh, I said I was going to do this, and I didn't do it.
52:36
Forget it, I'm just-"
52:38
Yeah
52:38
"... not good at this." No, I'm going to-
52:39
It's like letting yourself down.
52:41
Yeah. I'm going to do it where I can.
52:43
But changing the food and sleep
52:48
is still the priority. That's something that will always
52:53
come first.
52:54
Mm-hmm.
52:55
And I can't do the rest of it without that.
52:58
Mm-hmm.
52:59
But I'm wanting to incorporate more weightlifting,
53:03
flexibility-
53:04
Yep
53:04
... all of the things that, you see these videos of these 70-year-old people-
53:10
Yeah
53:10
... who are like, I'm like, "Okay."
53:12
They're ripped.
53:12
"She could take me."
53:14
They are so strong.
53:15
Yes. And they just look like they're enjoying life.
53:18
And I don't want to quit enjoying life. I want to keep feeling this way.
53:23
And thankfully,
53:25
if family history is a thing, I have family members that lived into their early
53:29
100s, so.
53:30
This is great news for you.
53:32
Yes.
53:33
I love hearing that. Is this on your mom's side, dad's side, or both?
53:36
Both.
53:37
This is great news.
53:39
Yes, so-
53:40
Okay. Love it
53:40
... my poor husband is stuck with me.
53:43
What about his family?
53:45
He does have family member, some family members have lived into their late 90s.
53:50
I believe one into 100, his
53:55
great-grandmother that I did get to meet. I believe she was 99 when she passed.
53:59
That is great.
54:01
Yes. So that's the thing, just better life choices and habits.
54:06
I think we're stuck with each other for a long time.
54:08
Oh, this is really romantic. I love it.
54:11
That's already been... We were high school sweethearts, been together since we were
54:15
15, so.
54:16
Oh, wow. I didn't know that part.
54:18
It's been a long time, babe.
54:21
Oh, wow. So as of now, you have
54:25
horses. Asking for a friend,
54:29
Western, English, do you ride often?
54:32
Do you do trails-
54:33
I-
54:33
... compete?
54:34
... I don't do any of that. I am a rescue horse mom.
54:39
My daughter is the one who was into horses. It was always her thing.
54:43
She did barrels, cutting, and reining.
54:47
I enjoyed watching her. I would trail ride with her when I felt comfortable on
54:52
a horse.
54:53
The horse that I have now,
54:56
he was burned in a fire here in town-
54:58
Oh
54:58
... in 2017. He was not mine when he got burned.
55:01
Oh my gosh.
55:02
My daughter stepped in to help the owner,
55:06
and when the owner realized that he wasn't going to look like he did
55:10
before, he just said, "Oh, well, I can't do anything with him, so you like horses,
55:13
you can have him."
55:15
Aw.
55:15
And my daughter was just like, "What?"
55:17
How old was he at the time?
55:19
Well, we were told by the owner that he was only four or five, but-
55:23
Good grief
55:23
... his teeth said he was seven or eight.
55:26
Wow.
55:27
Now, it's kind of hard to say after being burned.
55:30
He was burned on over 80% of his body, third degree burns.
55:34
Ah, this is horrible.
55:36
It was horrible to watch. But I got attached really easy.
55:40
My daughter took me out to see him. I got attached really easy.
55:43
And,
55:45
I just fell in love, and he is ornery, and
55:50
sweet-
55:52
... and a jokester, and he came to me in a time,
55:57
my mom was sick at the time, so I needed somebody, and he just came along right at
56:01
the right time. And, so he'll live out his life with me.
56:05
He can be ridden, but I don't because
56:08
he's been through a lot, so-
56:09
Yeah
56:10
... he don't need to be carrying me around.
56:12
He can just have fun, eat some hay.
56:14
Yeah. So he just-
56:16
Be in the sun
56:16
... lives out his days getting pampered. He still gets lotions put on.
56:20
He does have areas where he doesn't grow hair.
56:23
And he doesn't have any ears left.
56:26
Oh my goodness.
56:27
But-
56:28
Poor guy
56:29
... but he can't tell anymore. He just- ...
56:32
lives his life like, "I'm just out here being normal." But when you're out-
56:36
... people come to the property and they're like, "What is wrong with him?" I'm
56:39
like-
56:40
We could get prosthetics
56:42
... "What is wrong with you?"
56:44
He-
56:44
Yeah. Well, he's great. What's the deal?
56:47
He's perfect. He's, yes, and it-
56:48
You're never invited again.
56:50
Yes. And of course, once they hear his story, they all say the same thing, so.
56:54
But yeah, he's the only one that I have. Horses are otherwise my daughter's thing.
56:58
But I can thank her for bringing us together,
57:03
so.
57:03
Oh, that's beautiful. What's his name?
57:06
Boss.
57:06
Boss.
57:07
Yes.
57:08
He's a total boss, but a lover boy too.
57:11
Yeah. He can be a brat to people he
57:15
doesn't like. He used to be so mean to my husband, but I think since he's realized
57:19
that's who pays his vet bills, so- ... he's nicer to him now.
57:23
But,
57:24
he was, I believe 31 horses died that day, and he was one
57:29
of three that survived.
57:31
This is horrible. Wow.
57:33
Yes. I believe they call it the Cottonwood Fire.
57:35
Ugh, my gosh.
57:36
But it was a sad thing to see. There were two fires that day, one
57:41
out on Cottonwood Road and one in Oildale.
57:45
And so it was a bad fire year. Of course, for us, every year is a bad
57:50
fire year, but having so many animals.
57:53
He did get to go to
57:57
UC Davis for six weeks. Dr. Madigan there,
58:01
a well-known vet, he said that he had money left over from a fire that they had
58:06
there, so he invited Boss to come and stay there because we were in over our heads.
58:10
How do you care for a horse that's-
58:12
Oh, no
58:12
... his whole body was peeling. It was a giant blister, and it was peeling, so.
58:17
Thankfully, the people at Davis were so great.
58:20
He got so much-
58:21
Gosh
58:22
... care there. Manuka honey.
58:25
Like-
58:25
Yeah
58:26
... the fish scales
58:27
...
58:28
what was the nutrition like?
58:29
So
58:31
the way that they said, they put the fish skin-
58:34
Mm-hmm
58:34
... on the really, really bad parts.
58:37
But he got soaked in Manuka honey every day.
58:42
So he would get bathed in the morning, Manuka honey and then this suit
58:46
over him to cover it all up, and he would wear that overnight.
58:48
And then the next day they would bathe him, debride some more, coat him back in
58:53
Manuka honey and
58:55
Was the fish
58:57
fresh skin?
58:58
I don't know because-
59:00
Or like grounds?
59:01
... that was back when-- I was grossed out by that sight.
59:05
Yeah.
59:07
He smelled sweet and then really stinky. Sweet and then stinky.
59:10
He
59:12
smelt like
59:14
burnt flesh for a really long time.
59:16
Oh, Boss.
59:17
I would just be like-
59:19
Buddy
59:19
... "I'm going to love on you, but you smell so terrible."
59:25
But it was a heartbreaking thing to smell, too, because you knew what he had
59:30
gone through. I didn't get to see him the day that he
59:35
got burned, but the pictures that I saw within 24 hours,
59:38
and it just
59:43
made me feel so terrible for him. And so many people, we got so much backlash.
59:48
"You should euthanize him." He wasn't ours to euthanize, the owner-
59:52
Backlash? That's crazy
59:53
... we were torturing him.
59:55
Oh my God.
59:57
Yeah. Because the photos were terrible. But we were sharing his story.
1:00:01
Would we put a human down? Come on. You just walk through it. You heal.
1:00:06
Well, and he gave UC Davis an opportunity to see what treatments
1:00:11
worked-
1:00:11
Mm-hmm
1:00:12
... for when this happens again, because it will happen again, because situations
1:00:16
like that are happening all the time where people can't afford to build the
1:00:19
facilities that they need, so they use
1:00:22
other materials and-
1:00:24
Mm-hmm
1:00:24
... or fire preparedness for ranches.
1:00:27
There's a lot of people who don't plan for that.
1:00:29
So it really-
1:00:31
Oh, gosh
1:00:31
... I think got a lot of people thinking, like, "Oh, okay, we need to have a plan."
1:00:35
Is his skin elastic enough so he can walk or move?
1:00:39
Mm-hmm.
1:00:39
Okay.
1:00:39
Yeah, he can get down and roll around.
1:00:42
Now, the long-term effect, he got burned really bad on his face,
1:00:47
so the ligaments, all of the tendons and stuff in his face, his lip
1:00:52
does not close.
1:00:53
Oh my gosh.
1:00:54
The skin fused under his chin, and so his bottom
1:00:59
lip hangs. Like he's pouting all the time.
1:01:04
So-
1:01:04
He's the sweetest thing.
1:01:06
And his ears are only about an inch long, so he looks like a raccoon up top and
1:01:11
then-
1:01:13
... just like he's pouting. He's just mad all the time.
1:01:15
Like a grandpa.
1:01:17
Yeah. Just a grumpy old man. And so his face doesn't have a lot of
1:01:21
hair. He
1:01:24
had a corneal ulcer in one eye that ruptured, so he is blind in one eye.
1:01:28
Oh my gosh, Boss.
1:01:30
Yes, but he's spoiled, so-
1:01:32
Yeah
1:01:32
... he's living the good life and-
1:01:34
He can chew.
1:01:35
Yeah.
1:01:36
Okay.
1:01:36
Yeah. He gets chronic dry mouth and bad breath.
1:01:40
So, but-
1:01:41
We should work on his gut health. I wonder if we can give him probiotics.
1:01:44
So
1:01:46
he recently developed ulcers.
1:01:49
In his stomach?
1:01:50
Yes, from changing his grain.
1:01:53
Oh.
1:01:55
And so I took what I learned from my gut health-
1:01:58
Yeah
1:01:58
...
1:02:00
and we've been working on things.
1:02:01
Yes.
1:02:02
And so-
1:02:02
Okay. What'd you do?
1:02:05
So we did have to call the vet out. He did have to get Ulcergard, which
1:02:10
is omeprazole.
1:02:11
Mm-hmm.
1:02:13
He did two-week treatment of that.
1:02:15
We changed his feed back to what he was on before, because as I started reading
1:02:19
ingredients, I realized what we switched him to was not
1:02:23
good. And-
1:02:24
Oh
1:02:24
... it has since trickled down to my dogs.
1:02:28
And so now my dogs are getting a diet change because of gut health and-
1:02:33
My dogs are on peptides. Or my dogs, I have one.
1:02:36
My little dog, Son, he's on peptides, collagen.
1:02:39
But-
1:02:40
And I-
1:02:41
There's so much more out there
1:02:42
... Yes, and I do see people doing BPC for
1:02:47
their dogs.
1:02:48
Yes.
1:02:49
I am not brave enough to-- I would love to just see more on it first.
1:02:54
I'm not brave enough to do it, being that they can't tell me specifically-
1:02:58
Mm-hmm
1:02:58
... what they're experiencing, but
1:03:01
so we started with diet, and so they're half raw, half kibble,
1:03:06
and a cleaner kibble than what we were doing, so-
1:03:08
That's great
1:03:09
... adding a probiotic to there because they're all seven and over, so-
1:03:14
Wow
1:03:14
... they're older, so
1:03:17
things are happening. So we have to make changes.
1:03:19
That is really cool. Thanks for sharing that.
1:03:21
If there's any vets out there who would love to give
1:03:26
us dosing recommendations privately, please do.
1:03:31
Oral BPC-
1:03:32
Mm-hmm
1:03:32
... is what I'm thinking for the gut.
1:03:34
Mm-hmm.
1:03:35
BPC-157,
1:03:38
I take that. I feel like-
1:03:40
Yeah
1:03:40
... it's very healing.
1:03:41
Yes.
1:03:42
My cousin gives that to her Great Dane.
1:03:44
Mm-hmm.
1:03:44
He's doing wonderful with it. And it seems like it also cleared up some skin
1:03:48
issues.
1:03:49
Yeah.
1:03:50
So a lot of different purposes for it.
1:03:53
In the trials, I know that there's not a lethal dose that's been
1:03:58
identified.
1:03:59
Mm-hmm.
1:03:59
So safety-wise, it sounds very broad.
1:04:03
There was a study that mentioned 80 milligrams being given in one
1:04:08
day to, I want to say this was a primate.
1:04:11
I'm going to read about it to see which study-
1:04:13
Mm
1:04:14
... it actually was, if this was an animal or human.
1:04:17
But it was 80 milligrams given-
1:04:19
Okay
1:04:20
... in one dose. So with any intervention or therapy, you always want to identify
1:04:24
how much is lethal.
1:04:26
Yeah.
1:04:26
So we don't actually know the answer to that for
1:04:31
BPC.
1:04:32
Okay.
1:04:32
So,
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yeah. I'm excited to see wherever the science leads for that.
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Yeah.
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Other fun fact, today, there were four peptides that were
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presented, and there was a vote on making those
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move forward in very legitimate ways.
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So I know it was BPC, TB500, KPV. I
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don't know what the fourth one was.
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So we have to look that up after this.
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Yes. Now I have to look it up because I'm going to want to know all the
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information.
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Yes.
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I also heard today, and I have not been able to verify, so take it for what
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it's worth, that Eli Lilly applied for
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Retatrutide to be a biologic.
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I love that. That makes the most sense for it.
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So or it could be non-biologic. What is the one where they make money off
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of it?
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Pharmaceutical. So the biologic-
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It was-
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... versus a peptide is just the length of it and what they mix with
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it.
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They used an abbreviation, that's why I'm a little
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forgetful on the term, but it was like BML or B... It started with a B.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so
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just for the people who are out there watching Retatrutide, just know next steps
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are happening.
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Don't let it scare you away-
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Mm-hmm
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... or think that--
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I know a lot of these people are doing their own thing and getting access to it.
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Mm-hmm.
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So I don't see it affecting-
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It's a matter of time
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... it's so far out there that-
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Yeah
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... it's going to be hard to reel everybody back in.
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Yeah, and there's definitely a range of peptides that are more
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cavalier to try-
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Mm-hmm
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... versus others that are pretty
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well-versed, and they're very diverse in different groups-
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Mm-hmm
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... and countries have tried, and animals, humans.
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There's
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so much to say about each individual one.
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So I think as we talk about them, really just identifying which one
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has the higher tier of evidence behind it-
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Mm-hmm
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... versus those that are more adventurous.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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Yeah.
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But it's exciting to see
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all of the things happening and all of the things that-
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Yes
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... people are talking about because this was all hush-hush
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and not-
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Mm-hmm
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... being discussed before.
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Mm-hmm.
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So I love seeing more and more people talking about it and-
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We're just asking questions.
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Yeah. I just want answers.
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Yeah.
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Same.
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Don't tell me I can't have them because I'm going to find them then.
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That means we have to find them.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, if you're hiding it, it has to be good.
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It has to be really good.
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We have to know it. If you're making it a secret-
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Yeah.
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... we have to know.
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Well, thank you so much for sharing your journey with us.
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You are a living proof example that you can heal yourself.
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You can take the tools, implement behaviors, and change your life, change others,
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and it's awesome. Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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All right, guys. That's a wrap for today, and glad to
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have you on.
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Thanks for having me.