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Ep 21: Fish & Fries with Prof. Dr. Stephen Divers · Veterinary Ramblings

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Mike Brampton: Oh, no.
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Mike Brampton: Major glitch glitch.
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Julian Hoad: Yeah you just froze
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Julian Hoad: as well.
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Julian Hoad: Are you back? You back up?
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Mike Brampton: You're back. Ok.
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Julian Hoad: Carry on moving
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Julian Hoad: like this, very slowly
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Mike Brampton: Good evening and
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Mike Brampton: welcome to everybody.
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Mike Brampton: My name is Mike Brampton
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Julian Hoad: and my name is
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Julian Hoad: Julian Hoad
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Julian Hoad: and we are glitching terribly
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Julian Hoad: folks
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Mike Brampton: because your
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Mike Brampton: video has completely frozen.
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Mike Brampton: I've got a bad feeling about
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Mike Brampton: tonight.
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Julian Hoad: It's gonna be fine.
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Julian Hoad: People will be very
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Julian Hoad: understanding.
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Julian Hoad: Brenda will be very
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Julian Hoad: understanding because she'll
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Julian Hoad: know we've tried our best
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Julian Hoad: So, Mike, who do we have this
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Julian Hoad: week?
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Mike Brampton: This week, we've
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Mike Brampton: got an old friend of ironically
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Mike Brampton: both of ours who has left the
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Mike Brampton: shores of the UK to find fame
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Mike Brampton: and fortune in United States of
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Mike Brampton: America.
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Mike Brampton: A gentlemen, we know as Steve,
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Mike Brampton: but I think, to his students, he
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Mike Brampton: likes to be known as Professor
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Mike Brampton: Stephen Divers.
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Julian Hoad: Professor Stephen J
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Julian Hoad: Divers I think
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Mike Brampton: i think your
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Mike Brampton: right, Professor Stephen J
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Mike Brampton: Divers.
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Mike Brampton: Steve, Steve bit like yourself.
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Mike Brampton: He graduated initially, with a
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Mike Brampton: Bachelor of medical science
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Mike Brampton: physiology from King's College
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Mike Brampton: London, way back in 1991.
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Mike Brampton: I didn't actually know that
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Mike Brampton: until I looked him up, which
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Mike Brampton: would explain probably some of
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Mike Brampton: the links that I've had with him
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Mike Brampton: in the past,
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Mike Brampton: because I first met him when I
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Mike Brampton: was working with the training
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Mike Brampton: department of London ambulance
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Mike Brampton: service, which of course is all
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Julian Hoad: Oh, yes
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Mike Brampton: pretty much
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Mike Brampton: physiology. And he then went on
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Mike Brampton: to take his bachelor of
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Mike Brampton: Veterinary Medicine from the
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Mike Brampton: RVC.
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Mike Brampton: And that was in 1994.
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Mike Brampton: He's founder of diplomat of the
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Mike Brampton: European College of zoological
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Mike Brampton: medicine,
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Mike Brampton: diplomat of the American College
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Mike Brampton: of zoological medicine,
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Mike Brampton: diplomat of the Royal College of
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Mike Brampton: Veterinary surgeons zoological
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Mike Brampton: medicine,
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Mike Brampton: fellow with the Royal College of
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Mike Brampton: Veterinary surgeons,
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Mike Brampton: and de facto diplomat of the
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Mike Brampton: European College of zoological
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Mike Brampton: medicine, and all of that sort
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Mike Brampton: of stuff. And you and I know him
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Mike Brampton: as Steve.
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Mike Brampton: So let's get him in. He's in the
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Mike Brampton: waiting room.
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Mike Brampton: And here's Steve! Well, you
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Mike Brampton: don't look very animated there,
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Mike Brampton: Steve.
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Stephen Divers: Don't worry. I'm
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Stephen Divers: turning on my video.
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Julian Hoad: We're such
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Julian Hoad: professionals Steve. Honestly,
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Julian Hoad: these days.
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Julian Hoad: It's slick as anything, within
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Julian Hoad: an hour or two, we can actually
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Julian Hoad: be on and recording. Brilliant.
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Stephen Divers: it's only 3: 30
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Stephen Divers: it's only 3: in the afternoon here. So I'm
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Stephen Divers: it's only 3: not supposed to have a drink.
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Stephen Divers: it's only 3: But you're gonna be very, very
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Stephen Divers: it's only 3: disappointed because I'm
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Stephen Divers: it's only 3: actually having tea.
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Stephen Divers: it's only 3: I've still got work to do. But
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Stephen Divers: it's only 3: anyway,
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Mike Brampton: No, we wouldn't
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Mike Brampton: expect nothing less. I mean,
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Mike Brampton: well,
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Mike Brampton: you're the brit waving the flag
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Mike Brampton: in the United States.
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Stephen Divers: Julian I have to
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Stephen Divers: say there is a significant lack
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Stephen Divers: of foliage up here from when I
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Stephen Divers: last saw you.
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Julian Hoad: It's gone. I was
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Julian Hoad: Mr. Curly Mop the last time I
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Julian Hoad: saw you
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Stephen Divers: You had loads of
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Stephen Divers: hair, and then there was a
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Stephen Divers: significant,
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Stephen Divers: I mean, you had a hard time
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Stephen Divers: trying to find a area that
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Stephen Divers: wasn't sort of follicular.
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Stephen Divers: And now it's like, it's all,
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Stephen Divers: although Mike's not doing too
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Stephen Divers: much better on top either to be
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Stephen Divers: fair
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Julian Hoad: Mike's still got
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Julian Hoad: the beard, he's hoping that
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Julian Hoad: eventually he can turn his head
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Julian Hoad: upside down and have a normal
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Julian Hoad: head of hair.
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Stephen Divers: Yeah.
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Julian Hoad: Steve, that's gonna
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Julian Hoad: be what 20-22 years ago, is it?
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Stephen Divers: Yeah, it's gotta
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Stephen Divers: be something like that. Yeah, I
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Stephen Divers: mean, well,
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Stephen Divers: I graduated 94, joined Elands
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Stephen Divers: and I think you, what was it 96
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Stephen Divers: or something?
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Julian Hoad: That's right 96,
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Julian Hoad: Yeah.
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Stephen Divers: 1996 and then I
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Stephen Divers: saw Phil Lhermette on your show
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Stephen Divers: A few weeks ago or?
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Mike Brampton: Yeah
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Julian Hoad: Our first boss, our
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Julian Hoad: first boss. Yeah.
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Stephen Divers: Yeah, that
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Stephen Divers: brought some memories back
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Stephen Divers: seeing him actually.
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Stephen Divers: He's greyed a little bit. That
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Stephen Divers: was probably more to do with his
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Stephen Divers: daughters than it was to do with
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Stephen Divers: us I suspect Julian.
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Julian Hoad: I think it's all to
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Julian Hoad: do with his daughters
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Stephen Divers: Probably
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Julian Hoad: Absolutely
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Mike Brampton: Yeah, you keep
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Mike Brampton: telling yourself that Steve.
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Julian Hoad: You've picked up a
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Julian Hoad: little bit of a twang there,
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Julian Hoad: Steve, haven't you?
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Stephen Divers: Well
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Mike Brampton: Sounds more
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Mike Brampton: Australian than American.
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Stephen Divers: Yeah. So I get
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Stephen Divers: that now, whenever I go home to
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Stephen Divers: see my family, my parents and my
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Stephen Divers: brother, my sister.
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Stephen Divers: They tell me I sound very
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Stephen Divers: American, fortunately, the
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Stephen Divers: Americans still think I sound
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Stephen Divers: very British.
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Stephen Divers: And I think they're under the
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Stephen Divers: misconception that I'm like 300
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Stephen Divers: and 22nd in line to the British
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Stephen Divers: throne.
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Stephen Divers: So that often gets me out of
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Stephen Divers: trouble as well.
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Julian Hoad: So I'm holding the
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Julian Hoad: cover sheet of, a facsimile, I
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Julian Hoad: should say,
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Stephen Divers: Yeah
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Julian Hoad: Of a very, very
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Julian Hoad: good textbook that Steve has co
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Julian Hoad: edited.
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Stephen Divers: Yes.
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Julian Hoad: And it's the Bible,
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Julian Hoad: basically, of reptile and
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Julian Hoad: amphibian medicine and surgery.
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Julian Hoad: Doug Mader wrote the previous
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Julian Hoad: two editions.
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Stephen Divers: He did. Doug and
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Stephen Divers: I worked on the cut therapy,
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Stephen Divers: which was like a current therapy
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Stephen Divers: version between the second and
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Stephen Divers: the third.
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Stephen Divers: But yeah, I wrote the first and
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Stephen Divers: the second. He edited that all
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Stephen Divers: by himself.
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Stephen Divers: But yeah, so this was like, this
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Stephen Divers: is an interesting story about
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Stephen Divers: So this is like 125 authors.
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Stephen Divers: this. Right.
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Stephen Divers: And anyone that even considers
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Stephen Divers: writing a textbook, I suggest
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Stephen Divers: you do it yourself.
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Stephen Divers: Because trying to herd 125
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Stephen Divers: authors is like trying to heard
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Stephen Divers: a bunch of cats after dark in
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Stephen Divers: thick fog.
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Stephen Divers: I mean, it's just a nightmare.
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Julian Hoad: I take my hat off
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Julian Hoad: to you Steve if I'm editing a
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Julian Hoad: BSAVA book
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Stephen Divers: There you go,
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Stephen Divers: you're gonna find out
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Julian Hoad: 20 authors and
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Julian Hoad: that's hard enough.
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Stephen Divers: So what's
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Stephen Divers: interesting, though, so every
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Stephen Divers: author, right, because they
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Stephen Divers: don't pay you very much for
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Stephen Divers: doing these things. Right. It's
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Stephen Divers: a love.
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Stephen Divers: It's, you know, it's a very
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Stephen Divers: altruistic sort of love thing
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Stephen Divers: that you do for the profession.
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Stephen Divers: You don't get paid a lot of
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Stephen Divers: money for doing this.
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Stephen Divers: But every author was supposed to
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Stephen Divers: get one copy of the book, right?
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Stephen Divers: And every editor, ie, myself and
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Stephen Divers: Scott, right, we were supposed
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Stephen Divers: to get eight copies.
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Stephen Divers: Well, Elsevier made a little
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Stephen Divers: mistake.
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Stephen Divers: Elsevier sent every author 125
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Stephen Divers: of them.
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Stephen Divers: Each author got eight copies of
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Stephen Divers: the book.
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Stephen Divers: Now, each book is $180.
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Julian Hoad: Yeah.
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Stephen Divers: So when you do
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Stephen Divers: the math, Elsevier basically
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Stephen Divers: sent out a quarter of a million
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Stephen Divers: dollars of books that they
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Stephen Divers: shouldn't have done, and then
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Stephen Divers: had to kind of clamour to get
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Stephen Divers: them back again.
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Stephen Divers: But anyway, they've managed to
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Stephen Divers: do it. So I think we may have
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Stephen Divers: flooded the market a little bit
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Stephen Divers: early with this, we'll see.,
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Julian Hoad: Well I'll reserve
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Julian Hoad: my addition, tomorrow, I will
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Julian Hoad: actually,
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Stephen Divers: You know, what's
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Stephen Divers: concerning me is as you age,
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Stephen Divers: every decade, there's something
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Stephen Divers: that happens, like I remember in
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Stephen Divers: our 20's and Julian can attest
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Stephen Divers: to this.
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Stephen Divers: There was a lot of partying that
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Stephen Divers: was going on, there was a lot of
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Stephen Divers: drinks going, in fact,
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Stephen Divers: the parties above the Elands
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Stephen Divers: veterinary clinic was fairly
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Stephen Divers: notorious because I remember
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Stephen Divers: once Philip came into work,
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Stephen Divers: and he said, 'I understand there
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Stephen Divers: was a party here on Saturday
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Stephen Divers: night'
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Stephen Divers: I'm like 'how did you know?' and
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Stephen Divers: he said, apparently, they were
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Stephen Divers: talking about it in the
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Stephen Divers: hairdresser's in town.
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Stephen Divers: So at that point, I knew we had
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Stephen Divers: achieved some degree of
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Stephen Divers: notoriety. But anyway, in my
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Stephen Divers: 20s, you know, you could drink,
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Stephen Divers: I used to smoke
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Stephen Divers: In your 30s, you know, that has
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Stephen Divers: to kind of be curtailed, and
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Stephen Divers: then you hit 40s, and you have
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Stephen Divers: to be careful about what you
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Stephen Divers: eat, and stuff like that.
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Stephen Divers: And so, I'm convinced the reason
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Stephen Divers: why people die is because people
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Stephen Divers: take away all the pleasures in
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Stephen Divers: life,
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Stephen Divers: and there's nothing worth living
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Stephen Divers: for at that point. So you might
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Stephen Divers: as well just pop your clogs.
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Julian Hoad: It's true. It's
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Julian Hoad: like the man who goes to the
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Julian Hoad: doctor, and he says, If I give
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Julian Hoad: up wine, women and song will I
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Julian Hoad: live longer, and the doctor says
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Julian Hoad: well...
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Stephen Divers: So you know, and
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Stephen Divers: I knew I was middle age, when I
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Stephen Divers: think it was about 10 years ago,
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Stephen Divers: I was about 40.
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Stephen Divers: And I sneezed in front of the
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Stephen Divers: bathroom mirror and put my back
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Stephen Divers: out for two days.
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Stephen Divers: And at that point, I realised
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Stephen Divers: that middle age is well and
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Stephen Divers: truly here. So anyway,
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Mike Brampton: Have you given up
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Mike Brampton: the motorbikes Steve?
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Stephen Divers: Actually, I
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Stephen Divers: didn't acquire another motorbike
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Stephen Divers: when I came over to the states.
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Stephen Divers: I came over in 2001, left the
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Stephen Divers: bike in the UK, sold the bike
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Stephen Divers: and the reason being is because
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Stephen Divers: they make you take another test
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Stephen Divers: again,
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Stephen Divers: and at that point I dunno I just
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Stephen Divers: thought maybe not.
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Stephen Divers: Now. I'm more fearful as you get
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Stephen Divers: older, I become more fearful of
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Stephen Divers: my own mortality.
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Stephen Divers: When I when I was in my 20s. It
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Stephen Divers: was like, 'Yay, off we go, we'll
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Stephen Divers: bounce it doesn't matter.' But
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Stephen Divers: now I find I don't bounce
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Stephen Divers: anywhere near as much as I used
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Stephen Divers: to. Right.
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Julian Hoad: I remember getting
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Julian Hoad: on the back of your bike,
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Stephen Divers: Really? Because
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Stephen Divers: normally they were usually more
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Stephen Divers: attractive than you but anyway,
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Stephen Divers: but fair enough. Maybe you did.
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Stephen Divers: That's fine.
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Julian Hoad: Presumably because
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Julian Hoad: I had hair then you let me.
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Stephen Divers: Maybe, maybe
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Julian Hoad: I was holding on
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Julian Hoad: behind, every time I stuck my
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Julian Hoad: head out to see what happened, I
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Julian Hoad: was pushed back by this waft of
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Julian Hoad: air and you kept on saying
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Julian Hoad: 'don't lean out!'
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Julian Hoad: 'You leaned out!' 'Sorry, sorry,
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Julian Hoad: sorry!'
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Stephen Divers: Lot of fun, I
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Stephen Divers: did enjoy it.
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Stephen Divers: What was interesting, so when I
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Stephen Divers: came to the States, you have to
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Stephen Divers: do all these extra things, so
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Stephen Divers: you have to take a driving test.
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Stephen Divers: And you know, which is fair
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Stephen Divers: enough.
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Stephen Divers: But the DMV is notorious for
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Stephen Divers: being slow and very inefficient.
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Stephen Divers: But I remember I went and did
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Stephen Divers: the theory and they said,
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Stephen Divers: 'right, you got to go outside
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Stephen Divers: for a practical driving test.'
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Stephen Divers: So I was like, okay, so we go
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Stephen Divers: out in the parking lot,
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Stephen Divers: I get in the car, we're in a car
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Stephen Divers: park, right. And we drive to the
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Stephen Divers: end of the car park
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Stephen Divers: and they say 'Turn left' so I
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Stephen Divers: turn left,
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Stephen Divers: 'Turn left, turn left again,
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Stephen Divers: turn left then park.
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Stephen Divers: Congratulations, you've passed.'
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Stephen Divers: I'm like, you have no idea if I
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Stephen Divers: can turn right. And you're
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Stephen Divers: giving me a driving licence?
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Stephen Divers: But it's kind of the way it is
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Stephen Divers: over here. But yeah, it's
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Stephen Divers: definitely a, there's a culture,
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Stephen Divers: a culture shift, let's say, put
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Stephen Divers: it that way.
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Julian Hoad: Do you like it over
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Julian Hoad: there?
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Stephen Divers: So it's
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Stephen Divers: interesting, right. So there are
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Stephen Divers: certain things that I absolutely
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Stephen Divers: adore,
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Stephen Divers: I miss my family, family and
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Stephen Divers: friends is probably the big
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Stephen Divers: negative. British culture, you
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Stephen Divers: know, going to the pub, and that
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Stephen Divers: kind of stuff I miss
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Mike Brampton: So do we!
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Julian Hoad: We haven't done
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Julian Hoad: that in a while
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Stephen Divers: Yeah. But what
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Stephen Divers: I've realised is that because I
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Stephen Divers: left in 2001, I miss the England
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Stephen Divers: of 2001.
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Stephen Divers: And when I go back now, I don't
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Stephen Divers: quite recognise it, it's not
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Stephen Divers: quite the same place, you know
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Stephen Divers: what I'm saying? So it's weird.
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Stephen Divers: But there are certain things
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Stephen Divers: like family, family things I
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Stephen Divers: miss. And I try and get over
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Stephen Divers: there at least once a year.
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Stephen Divers: But then what I've got over here
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Stephen Divers: is, you know, I work in
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Stephen Divers: $100million state of the art,
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Stephen Divers: you know, academic teaching
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Stephen Divers: hospital, and we've got all the
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Stephen Divers: gadgets
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Stephen Divers: and I mean, the caseload, the
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Stephen Divers: high referral caseload, it's
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Stephen Divers: phenomenal. I mean, it really
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Stephen Divers: is.
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Stephen Divers: So there's those kind of
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Stephen Divers: benefits. And I have to say, now
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Stephen Divers: I'm in academia, I'd have a hard
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Stephen Divers: time going back to private
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Stephen Divers: practice.
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Julian Hoad: Do you have pets?
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Stephen Divers: We have pets?
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Stephen Divers: Yes, we've got two cats, Tiger,
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Stephen Divers: and Nina.
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Stephen Divers: And then I guess I have pets as
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Stephen Divers: well, I've got a marine reef
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Stephen Divers: tank, I have a 300 gallon reef
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Stephen Divers: tank in my office and a 55
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Stephen Divers: gallon reef tank in my office.
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Mike Brampton: Wow
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Stephen Divers: I emailed the
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Stephen Divers: building manager. And I said,
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Stephen Divers: 'Can you tell me, is the floor
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Stephen Divers: of my office,
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Stephen Divers: is it like reinforced concrete?
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Stephen Divers: and he said, 'Why do you need to
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Stephen Divers: know?'
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Stephen Divers: I said, 'Well, I just want to
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Stephen Divers: put a fish tank in.' He said
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Stephen Divers: 'Well how big is the fish tank?'
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Stephen Divers: Well, 300 gallon tank weighs you
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Stephen Divers: know, two and a half tonnes or
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Stephen Divers: something so, but what I did got
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Stephen Divers: all my tanks in before the
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Stephen Divers: building officially opened.
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Stephen Divers: Because it's in academia, there
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Stephen Divers: is a general motto, which is you
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Stephen Divers: ask for forgiveness, not for
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Stephen Divers: permission.
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Stephen Divers: And so I thought if I get these
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Stephen Divers: tanks in, there'll be immobile
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Stephen Divers: and immovable. And so they'll
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Stephen Divers: just accept them. And they did.
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Stephen Divers: But I did, while putting
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Stephen Divers: together, spring a bit of a
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Stephen Divers: leak.
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Stephen Divers: And so at the opening ceremony,
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Stephen Divers: the dean did make a comment
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Stephen Divers: about the fact that we'd already
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Stephen Divers: had our first incident with a
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Stephen Divers: fish tank leak on the second
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Stephen Divers: floor.
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Stephen Divers: But apart from that, it's been
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Stephen Divers: okay.
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Julian Hoad: What sort of fish
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Julian Hoad: do you have in there?
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Stephen Divers: Oh, you know,
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Stephen Divers: like Pacific Tangs, blue chrome,
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Stephen Divers: clown fish, those kinds of
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Stephen Divers: things, but really most of it is
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Stephen Divers: about the corals, you know, the
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Stephen Divers: anemones, soft corals, SPS.
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Stephen Divers: The whole system is probably,
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Stephen Divers: it's pretty expensive system.
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Stephen Divers: It's all computer controled.
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Stephen Divers: So I can actually on my phone, I
13:45
Stephen Divers: can actually show you that. So
13:51
Stephen Divers: this is in real time.
13:53
Stephen Divers: So this is in real time, I can
13:53
Stephen Divers: tell you the pH, the salinity I
13:56
Stephen Divers: can turn pumps off, I can feed
13:56
Stephen Divers: fish, I can do all sorts,
14:00
Stephen Divers: but it's the whole system
14:00
Stephen Divers: probably about 15-18 grand, I
14:04
Stephen Divers: would say it's pretty expensive.
14:07
Julian Hoad: Is it easy to keep
14:07
Julian Hoad: going once you've set it up?
14:11
Stephen Divers: Well, it's a lot
14:11
Stephen Divers: of hassle to take it back down
14:14
Stephen Divers: again, put it that way. I mean,
14:14
Stephen Divers: once it's up and running, you
14:16
Stephen Divers: kind of just want to keep it
14:16
Stephen Divers: going. Right.
14:18
Stephen Divers: So that can be problematic. But
14:18
Stephen Divers: no it's fun, actually, I kind of
14:25
Stephen Divers: enjoy it. I used to have the
14:25
Stephen Divers: tank at home, but I would spend
14:27
Stephen Divers: so much time at work.
14:28
Stephen Divers: By the time I come home, I'd sit
14:28
Stephen Divers: down, you know, at the end of
14:32
Stephen Divers: the day, and I would just sit
14:32
Stephen Divers: down in front of the tank to
14:35
Stephen Divers: admire it
14:35
Stephen Divers: and then blink, the lights would
14:35
Stephen Divers: turn off and it would be the end
14:38
Stephen Divers: of the corals day.
14:39
Stephen Divers: And so I decided to move into my
14:39
Stephen Divers: office so that every now and
14:43
Stephen Divers: again I can just turn around and
14:43
Stephen Divers: gaze at the undersea Odyssey in
14:48
Stephen Divers: front of me.
14:50
Mike Brampton: You swap this
14:50
Mike Brampton: undersea Odyssey instead of
14:53
Mike Brampton: doing cat vaccinations?
14:57
Stephen Divers: So actually no,
14:57
Stephen Divers: the replacement was that I used
15:00
Stephen Divers: to do a lot of scuba diving.
15:01
Mike Brampton: Right
15:03
Stephen Divers: And then I
15:03
Stephen Divers: stopped doing scuba diving,
15:07
Stephen Divers: largely because obviously having
15:07
Stephen Divers: a young family and stuff its
15:10
Stephen Divers: difficult to do all that kind of
15:10
Stephen Divers: travelling.
15:12
Stephen Divers: So then I decided, Well, how do
15:12
Stephen Divers: I get my, you know, marine fix
15:17
Stephen Divers: and so there are two ways to do
15:17
Stephen Divers: that.
15:23
Stephen Divers: One is that I have a marine fish
15:23
Stephen Divers: tank in my office and, two,
15:27
Stephen Divers: Sunday night is now fish and
15:27
Stephen Divers: chips night at the Diver's
15:29
Stephen Divers: House. So that's kind of our
15:29
Stephen Divers: approach.
15:34
Mike Brampton: It's traditional
15:34
Mike Brampton: British fish and chips, yeah?
15:40
Stephen Divers: Kind of, it's
15:40
Stephen Divers: difficult to get cod in Athens,
15:44
Stephen Divers: Georgia, put it that way.
15:45
Stephen Divers: It's more like tilapia, breaded
15:45
Stephen Divers: tilapia and chips
15:48
Julian Hoad: But its fish and
15:48
Julian Hoad: fries though isn't it, it's not
15:51
Julian Hoad: fish and chips?
15:53
Stephen Divers: True. If you
15:53
Stephen Divers: describe it to other people,
15:55
Stephen Divers: other Americans, then I have to
15:55
Stephen Divers: say fish and fries.
15:57
Stephen Divers: Because if I say fish and chips,
15:57
Stephen Divers: they're like, what fish and then
16:01
Stephen Divers: like potato, like crisps or
16:01
Stephen Divers: something.
16:04
Stephen Divers: So, but you bring up a good
16:04
Stephen Divers: point. So I actually have a list
16:08
Stephen Divers: of Britishisms, and a glossary
16:08
Stephen Divers: in the hospital so that the
16:14
Stephen Divers: students, because otherwise they
16:14
Stephen Divers: get very confused,
16:17
Stephen Divers: because if we start talking
16:17
Stephen Divers: about you know, everything's
16:19
Stephen Divers: gonna go pear shaped, you know,
16:19
Stephen Divers: sixes and sevens, or, you know,
16:24
Stephen Divers: whatever we say, chock a block
16:24
Stephen Divers: or whatever,
16:26
Stephen Divers: all the students are completely
16:26
Stephen Divers: confused. So we have to have
16:28
Stephen Divers: some Britishisms summary on the
16:28
Stephen Divers: board, so they can keep track
16:33
Stephen Divers: but anyway, yeah, fish and
16:33
Stephen Divers: chips.
16:36
Julian Hoad: Otherwise, it's not
16:36
Julian Hoad: cricket is it.
16:37
Stephen Divers: Exactly.
16:38
Stephen Divers: So on the topic of cricket, So
16:38
Stephen Divers: remember when I went over here
16:41
Stephen Divers: first of all, a friend of
16:41
Stephen Divers: mine Scott, the other co edito
16:43
Stephen Divers: of the book, we often would go
16:43
Stephen Divers: to conferences together and w
16:46
Stephen Divers: would share a hotel room.
16:49
Stephen Divers: And, you know, as I was now a US
16:49
Stephen Divers: citizen, I said to him, You know
16:54
Stephen Divers: what, you're gonna have to teach
16:54
Stephen Divers: me the rules of American
16:58
Stephen Divers: football,
17:01
Stephen Divers: Anyway, approximately six
17:01
Stephen Divers: minutes later, that was done and
17:05
Stephen Divers: dusted. It's not a particularly
17:05
Stephen Divers: complicated game. And so then he
17:09
Stephen Divers: said 'Could you teach me
17:09
Stephen Divers: cricket?'
17:12
Stephen Divers: Anyway, two and a half hours
17:12
Stephen Divers: later, he is no further down the
17:17
Stephen Divers: road of learning about the
17:17
Stephen Divers: intricacies of cricket. I mean,
17:20
Stephen Divers: it just, you know, wasn't going
17:20
Stephen Divers: to happen.
17:23
Julian Hoad: it was a game
17:23
Julian Hoad: invented purely to foil
17:26
Julian Hoad: foreigners. That's that's the
17:26
Julian Hoad: reason cricket was invented
17:30
Stephen Divers: I think so i
17:30
Stephen Divers: think so.
17:32
Julian Hoad: So there's a lot of
17:32
Julian Hoad: work, isn't there, going into
17:36
Julian Hoad: trying to engineer or force
17:36
Julian Hoad: evolution of corals to live at
17:43
Julian Hoad: higher temperatures and in
17:43
Julian Hoad: different salinities,
17:47
Julian Hoad: different conditions to make
17:47
Julian Hoad: them more robust, given global
17:52
Julian Hoad: warming.
17:53
Julian Hoad: Is that something you're
17:53
Julian Hoad: involved in Steve?
17:55
Stephen Divers: Well, so let's
17:55
Stephen Divers: just be clear. I mean, you know,
18:00
Stephen Divers: the United States at the moment,
18:00
Stephen Divers: our republican president and I'm
18:04
Stephen Divers: from Georgia, which is also
18:04
Stephen Divers: Republican,
18:06
Stephen Divers: we don't refer to it as global
18:06
Stephen Divers: warming. Right, we refer to it
18:11
Stephen Divers: we as as climate change, because
18:11
Stephen Divers: that sounds far less malignant.
18:18
Stephen Divers: So that's kind of the term we
18:18
Stephen Divers: should use, but to answer your
18:21
Stephen Divers: question, I have not been
18:21
Stephen Divers: involved.
18:26
Stephen Divers: I've done some work on some
18:26
Stephen Divers: coral diseases with ecology, but
18:29
Stephen Divers: not a great deal. This is
18:29
Stephen Divers: definitely like a hobby thing
18:32
Stephen Divers: rather than a work thing.
18:34
Stephen Divers: Most of the fish stuff I've
18:34
Stephen Divers: done, there's been things like,
18:38
Stephen Divers: Well, let me think we did some
18:38
Stephen Divers: endoscopic gonad evaluations and
18:43
Stephen Divers: biopsies in endangered sturgeon.
18:45
Stephen Divers: And we've done some sturgeon
18:45
Stephen Divers: sonic transmitters and
18:50
Stephen Divers: implantations and things that so
18:52
Julian Hoad: Cavier to the
18:52
Julian Hoad: masses, so to speak,
18:54
Stephen Divers: right, right.
18:55
Stephen Divers: Yeah, that was on the
18:55
Stephen Divers: Mississippi River. And I had
18:57
Stephen Divers: these idyllic visions of you
18:57
Stephen Divers: know, Tom Sawyer, and you know,
19:00
Stephen Divers: Huckleberry Finn
19:02
Stephen Divers: and floating down the
19:02
Stephen Divers: Mississippi with a straw hat.
19:05
Stephen Divers: Let me tell you in January, it's
19:05
Stephen Divers: very, very cold.
19:13
Stephen Divers: It was so cold that we used
19:13
Stephen Divers: saline, it's a saline infusion
19:17
Stephen Divers: rather than co2 insufflation. So
19:17
Stephen Divers: it's a saline infusion that goes
19:20
Stephen Divers: into the body cavity of the
19:20
Stephen Divers: fish,
19:21
Stephen Divers: the saline was freezing in the
19:21
Stephen Divers: line before it got to the fish,
19:25
Stephen Divers: sometimes, thats how cold it
19:25
Stephen Divers: was, it was so cold, you know
19:28
Stephen Divers: those hand warmers, you know,
19:31
Stephen Divers: so I'd have hand warmers shoved
19:31
Stephen Divers: in the inside of my surgical
19:35
Stephen Divers: gloves and you could do about
19:35
Stephen Divers: one fish and then you would sort
19:39
Stephen Divers: of break your frozen tendons
19:42
Stephen Divers: and put your fingers into your
19:42
Stephen Divers: palm to warm them up again while
19:45
Stephen Divers: they got the next fish ready. It
19:45
Stephen Divers: was very cold not pleasant
19:48
Mike Brampton: Was there a
19:48
Mike Brampton: reason you did this in winter
19:50
Mike Brampton: and not in summer then?
19:52
Stephen Divers: Well see, now
19:52
Stephen Divers: see, that's where my ignorance
19:56
Stephen Divers: of, you know, the ecology of the
19:56
Stephen Divers: Mississippi because I just kind
20:01
Stephen Divers: of immediately made the
20:01
Stephen Divers: connection of you know,
20:04
Stephen Divers: Huckleberry Finn straw hats, you
20:04
Stephen Divers: know, flip flops on, you know,
20:08
Stephen Divers: so no one told me it's gonna be
20:08
Stephen Divers: that cold.
20:11
Julian Hoad: I don't think
20:11
Julian Hoad: reading Huckleberry Finn, I
20:14
Julian Hoad: can't remember a time where it
20:14
Julian Hoad: says. So Tom went inside and got
20:18
Julian Hoad: his muffler and parker.
20:19
Stephen Divers: Right. Well, and
20:19
Stephen Divers: so it was run actually by the US
20:23
Stephen Divers: Army Corps of Engineers. So this
20:23
Stephen Divers: was more like a seals operation.
20:27
Stephen Divers: They had these like fast boats.
20:27
Stephen Divers: Everyone's in camo, right,
20:31
Stephen Divers: except the vets, the vets, they
20:31
Stephen Divers: like to put the vets in a bright
20:35
Stephen Divers: orange one piece floatation
20:35
Stephen Divers: suit,
20:38
Stephen Divers: with a bright orange balaklava
20:38
Stephen Divers: on the basis that either we're
20:42
Stephen Divers: an easy target if there's a
20:42
Stephen Divers: sniper, or
20:44
Stephen Divers: if we fall in the water, because
20:44
Stephen Divers: we'd be silly enough to do that
20:47
Stephen Divers: they can fish us out more
20:47
Stephen Divers: easily.
20:50
Julian Hoad: Probably both of
20:50
Julian Hoad: these reasons
20:51
Stephen Divers: probably both
20:53
Mike Brampton: Let's admit it.
20:53
Mike Brampton: You wanted a camo suit, didn't
20:55
Mike Brampton: you?
20:57
Stephen Divers: I did ask
20:57
Stephen Divers: actually, if I could have a camo
21:00
Stephen Divers: suit. And, and I got one in the
21:00
Stephen Divers: end.
21:03
Stephen Divers: I think it was by day two, the
21:03
Stephen Divers: first day I felt like a large.
21:07
Stephen Divers: I felt like a bit of a carrot,
21:07
Stephen Divers: shall we say. On the second day
21:11
Stephen Divers: I did get my camo
21:12
Mike Brampton: No, sir. No,
21:12
Mike Brampton: those are operational
21:14
Mike Brampton: procedures.
21:17
Julian Hoad: So you say you're
21:17
Julian Hoad: doing endoscopy on on this fish?
21:21
Julian Hoad: That's a real love of yours
21:21
Julian Hoad: isn't it, endoscopy?
21:24
Stephen Divers: I do like the
21:24
Stephen Divers: endoscopy. And it's interesting
21:27
Stephen Divers: because I actually started that
21:27
Stephen Divers: with Phil's practice.
21:30
Julian Hoad: I know, I remember
21:31
Stephen Divers: Remember, we
21:31
Stephen Divers: were hanging around?
21:33
Julian Hoad: Yeah.
21:34
Stephen Divers: And it's
21:34
Stephen Divers: interesting, right? Because, you
21:36
Stephen Divers: know, Phil wasn't into it at the
21:36
Stephen Divers: time then.
21:40
Stephen Divers: But then he went on and got into
21:40
Stephen Divers: it in a big way. And he became
21:43
Stephen Divers: the editor of the BSAVA manual
21:47
Julian Hoad: He's now the god of
21:47
Julian Hoad: endoscopy in England.
21:49
Stephen Divers: I know,
21:50
Julian Hoad: and your the god of
21:50
Julian Hoad: endoscopy in America,
21:56
Stephen Divers: I think we tell
21:56
Stephen Divers: the same story of this evolution
21:59
Stephen Divers: that occurred in Elands from
21:59
Stephen Divers: very different perspectives. I'm
22:03
Stephen Divers: sure the truth is probably
22:03
Stephen Divers: somewhere in between.
22:05
Stephen Divers: Hey, I don't know. Can I share a
22:05
Stephen Divers: screen? I want to show you guys
22:07
Stephen Divers: something I found a photograph
22:12
Stephen Divers: I promise I won't do anything.
22:12
Stephen Divers: risque. But I want to show you a
22:15
Stephen Divers: picture
22:15
Mike Brampton: I don't know if
22:15
Mike Brampton: I'm actually going to see it
22:18
Mike Brampton: Steve, but Yeah, please. Let's
22:18
Mike Brampton: see if that's allowed it there?
22:24
Stephen Divers: Okay, and we go.
22:24
Stephen Divers: Okay, can you see? Can you see
22:28
Stephen Divers: this picture?
22:29
Julian Hoad: Yes. Gosh!
22:31
Stephen Divers: This must be
22:31
Stephen Divers: circa. I don't know. This could
22:35
Stephen Divers: easily have been when you were
22:35
Stephen Divers: there. Julian, this could have
22:37
Stephen Divers: been in 1990 to be fair,
22:40
Stephen Divers: or 1995? I don't know.
22:42
Stephen Divers: But that's that's me as a new or
22:42
Stephen Divers: recent graduate. And then you
22:47
Stephen Divers: can see Phil there. He doesn't
22:47
Stephen Divers: look much different To be fair,
22:51
Stephen Divers: right.
22:52
Stephen Divers: But anyway, I found that
22:52
Stephen Divers: picture. And I thought I had to
22:55
Stephen Divers: show you guys because you had
22:55
Stephen Divers: him on a couple of weeks ago.
22:58
Mike Brampton: Yeah, for sure.
23:01
Julian Hoad: I remember that. I
23:01
Julian Hoad: remember that. operating and
23:04
Julian Hoad: prep room. Great. Well,
23:04
Julian Hoad: fantastic.
23:07
Mike Brampton: That's Brilliant
23:07
Mike Brampton: steve .
23:12
Julian Hoad: You can't see this
23:12
Julian Hoad: Mike, But I'm holding up an
23:13
Julian Hoad: advert for an endoscopy training
23:13
Julian Hoad: symposium that, that Steve now,
23:20
Julian Hoad: have you organised this or have
23:20
Julian Hoad: you been asked to
23:23
Stephen Divers: We do that every
23:23
Stephen Divers: year. This has been going on
23:26
Stephen Divers: since like 2004. Every year we
23:26
Stephen Divers: do a three day course at UGA.
23:31
Stephen Divers: And we've had people from, we've
23:31
Stephen Divers: had one or two people from
23:34
Stephen Divers: England, but we definitely get a
23:34
Stephen Divers: few people from Europe.
23:38
Stephen Divers: We've had people from Australia,
23:38
Stephen Divers: Korea, China, North America,
23:44
Stephen Divers: obviously North America, but
23:44
Stephen Divers: also South and Central America.
23:47
Stephen Divers: We have 16 people and we teach
23:47
Stephen Divers: them the sort of six of
23:50
Stephen Divers: diagnostic endoscopy, birds,
23:50
Stephen Divers: reptiles and mammals. It's
23:54
Stephen Divers: something that I that I enjoy
23:54
Stephen Divers: doing.
23:56
Stephen Divers: And when you're dealing with
23:56
Stephen Divers: these exotic animal, in fact,
23:59
Stephen Divers: let me show you an example. We
23:59
Stephen Divers: can chat about that. And I can
24:03
Stephen Divers: show you hang on a second.
24:05
Julian Hoad: So again, I'm just
24:05
Julian Hoad: gonna fill in here for the
24:08
Julian Hoad: people who can't see this
24:08
Julian Hoad: because Steve is showing us an
24:12
Julian Hoad: endoscopic view of the inside of
24:12
Julian Hoad: a red eared slider is that?
24:20
Julian Hoad: Sudamice scripta is it?
24:22
Stephen Divers: Almost,
24:22
Stephen Divers: Trachemys scripta elegans, but
24:25
Stephen Divers: that was a good stab.
24:26
Julian Hoad: Well sudamice was
24:26
Julian Hoad: the original name probably
24:28
Stephen Divers: Probably back in
24:28
Stephen Divers: the 60s. Yeah
24:34
Julian Hoad: So you're doing a
24:34
Julian Hoad: salpingectomy, you're removing
24:38
Julian Hoad: the the ovaries and the uterus
24:38
Julian Hoad: essentially
24:41
Stephen Divers: so basically,
24:41
Stephen Divers: you know what people love their
24:44
Stephen Divers: tortoises in the UK, which is
24:44
Stephen Divers: why I decided to show you some
24:47
Stephen Divers: sort of tortoise chelonian
24:47
Stephen Divers: pictures but
24:50
Stephen Divers: being able to do these kinds of
24:50
Stephen Divers: surgeries now we can perform
24:53
Stephen Divers: Salpingohysterectomis, we can
24:53
Stephen Divers: remove eggs, we can remove
24:57
Stephen Divers: actually we're pretty good now
24:57
Stephen Divers: for routine ovariectomy
25:01
Stephen Divers: we're doing this in sub adult to
25:01
Stephen Divers: adult females routinely before
25:04
Stephen Divers: they develop reproductive
25:04
Stephen Divers: disease,
25:05
Stephen Divers: we can now go into a soft tissue
25:05
Stephen Divers: approach with the endoscope, in
25:09
Stephen Divers: front of the back leg don't have
25:09
Stephen Divers: to go through the shell.
25:11
Stephen Divers: I mean, we used to go through
25:11
Stephen Divers: that shell.
25:13
Julian Hoad: yeah,
25:13
Stephen Divers: we probably did
25:13
Stephen Divers: some of those back at elands.
25:15
Stephen Divers: nd it's a much more traumatic
25:15
Stephen Divers: invasive procedure, right,
25:19
Julian Hoad: I remember mixing
25:19
Julian Hoad: up the fibreglass for you.
25:22
Stephen Divers: That's it,
25:22
Stephen Divers: right, you remember.
25:26
Stephen Divers: Now, we can avoid that by using
25:26
Stephen Divers: these endoscopic techniques. And
25:30
Stephen Divers: so that worked out pretty well.
25:32
Stephen Divers: So this was something, this sort
25:32
Stephen Divers: of endoscopic approach to
25:35
Stephen Divers: resolving reproductive issues is
25:35
Stephen Divers: something that we developed in
25:39
Stephen Divers: the clinic, so we could avoid
25:39
Stephen Divers: going through the shell.
25:42
Stephen Divers: And then here's a bigger
25:42
Stephen Divers: example. This was a conservation
25:45
Stephen Divers: project we did in the Galapagos.
25:45
Stephen Divers: Okay, so this is a giant
25:50
Stephen Divers: tortoise.
25:51
Stephen Divers: And these were hybrids. So they
25:51
Stephen Divers: weren't of any ecological value-
25:55
Stephen Divers: they weren't of any conservation
25:55
Stephen Divers: value from a breeding
25:59
Stephen Divers: perspective.
25:59
Stephen Divers: But they wanted to release these
25:59
Stephen Divers: hybrid females to help engineer
26:06
Stephen Divers: the island recovery, because it
26:06
Stephen Divers: was all getting overgrown
26:08
Stephen Divers: because there was no tortoises
26:08
Stephen Divers: on the island, and they killed
26:11
Stephen Divers: off all the all the invasive
26:11
Stephen Divers: goats.
26:14
Stephen Divers: And so it's just a video showing
26:14
Stephen Divers: how you can take that 100 kilos
26:18
Stephen Divers: tortoise. And we can perform a
26:18
Stephen Divers: ectomy without going through the
26:22
Stephen Divers: shell.
26:23
Stephen Divers: So anyway, this video is gonna
26:23
Stephen Divers: play so you can keep chatting,
26:25
Stephen Divers: and we can keep talking, but I
26:25
Stephen Divers: thought you might want to see
26:27
Stephen Divers: that
26:27
Mike Brampton: This is
26:27
Mike Brampton: excellent.
26:29
Julian Hoad: And again, for the
26:29
Julian Hoad: benefit of those poor people who
26:32
Julian Hoad: can't see this, or, indeed for
26:32
Julian Hoad: anyone who's covering their
26:35
Julian Hoad: eyes, because they don't want to
26:35
Julian Hoad: see it.
26:38
Julian Hoad: What Steve is doing now is
26:38
Julian Hoad: making an incision through the
26:44
Julian Hoad: soft tissue in the, essentially
26:44
Julian Hoad: the groin region of one of these
26:49
Julian Hoad: huge 100 kilo tortoises.
26:52
Julian Hoad: And he's introducing a little
26:52
Julian Hoad: endoscope, a rigid endoscope and
26:57
Julian Hoad: identifying the ovaries, and is
26:57
Julian Hoad: then using I imagine, do you use
27:02
Julian Hoad: a LigaSure?
27:05
Stephen Divers: I'll just bring
27:05
Stephen Divers: it forward a bit. So you go in
27:09
Stephen Divers: with an instrument and then you
27:09
Stephen Divers: can grab the arms in the
27:12
Stephen Divers: endoscope to guide you.
27:13
Stephen Divers: And once you've grabbed the
27:13
Stephen Divers: overary and you pull the first
27:15
Stephen Divers: part up to the skin, then you
27:15
Stephen Divers: can just feed out the entire
27:20
Stephen Divers: ovary out through that incision
27:20
Stephen Divers: and obviously, this is a good
27:23
Stephen Divers: thing
27:24
Stephen Divers: because this is at the Darwin
27:24
Stephen Divers: Centre in the Galapagos, so we
27:30
Stephen Divers: don't have a surgical theatre.
27:31
Stephen Divers: And so the good thing about this
27:31
Stephen Divers: sort of endoscopic or
27:34
Stephen Divers: endosurgical endoscope assisted
27:34
Stephen Divers: approach is that everything
27:38
Stephen Divers: which is exteriorized is
27:38
Stephen Divers: removed, right?
27:41
Stephen Divers: You're not putting anything
27:41
Stephen Divers: back, whereas if you opened up,
27:45
Stephen Divers: you could imagine you could get
27:45
Stephen Divers: a lot of contamination, but look
27:50
Stephen Divers: at the size, that's one ovary.
27:51
Julian Hoad: That's huge, about
27:51
Julian Hoad: the size of a bunch of grapes,
27:57
Julian Hoad: but the grapes in this case are
27:57
Julian Hoad: tangerines
28:01
Mike Brampton: almost tennis
28:01
Mike Brampton: ball size, some of those.
28:05
Stephen Divers: Yeah, some of
28:05
Stephen Divers: them are like, yeah, 2-3
28:07
Stephen Divers: centimetres in diameter.
28:09
Mike Brampton: Yeah.
28:10
Stephen Divers: And so when you
28:10
Stephen Divers: think we did about 39-40
28:14
Stephen Divers: tortoises over about 3-4 days.
28:14
Stephen Divers: So we're not using LigaSure,
28:17
Stephen Divers: we're using radiosurgery here
28:17
Stephen Divers: with hemoclips.
28:20
Stephen Divers: And I was like, removing all
28:20
Stephen Divers: this egg materials, like we must
28:27
Stephen Divers: be able to come up with some
28:27
Stephen Divers: kind of like recipe like a
28:30
Stephen Divers: galapagus Flan? Or a key lime
28:30
Stephen Divers: pie or?
28:35
Stephen Divers: You know, something, you would
28:35
Stephen Divers: think, but apparently...
28:40
Stephen Divers: I mean, you'll see, this is one
28:40
Stephen Divers: ovary going into the bucket. And
28:43
Stephen Divers: we had buckets of galapagus
28:43
Stephen Divers: overies.
28:48
Stephen Divers: So that's just, it was just a
28:48
Stephen Divers: nice conservation technique that
28:52
Stephen Divers: was developed from what we
28:52
Stephen Divers: learned as clinicians you know,
28:56
Stephen Divers: in the hospital dealing with
28:56
Stephen Divers: people's pets.
28:59
Julian Hoad: Gosh, that's
28:59
Julian Hoad: absolutely incredible. I'd never
29:03
Julian Hoad: tire of looking at endoscopy
29:03
Julian Hoad: stuff. I wonder how squeamish
29:06
Julian Hoad: some of our viewers are but...
29:08
Stephen Divers: Oh. Let's find
29:08
Stephen Divers: out. Anyone that vomits, please
29:14
Stephen Divers: leave a comment on the Facebook
29:14
Stephen Divers: page.
29:17
Julian Hoad: Brenda, if you're
29:17
Julian Hoad: watching, Brenda from Burton, if
29:19
Julian Hoad: you're watching this, please
29:19
Julian Hoad: vomit away old girl.
29:23
Stephen Divers: Look at this.
29:23
Stephen Divers: Here's a good thing about
29:25
Stephen Divers: global, not global, not a good
29:25
Stephen Divers: thing. But here's an issue of
29:28
Stephen Divers: A lot of these chelonians have
29:28
Stephen Divers: temperature dependent sex
29:28
Stephen Divers: global warming.
29:32
Stephen Divers: determination, right? They're
29:32
Stephen Divers: not genetically determined to be
29:35
Stephen Divers: male or female.
29:36
Stephen Divers: It's the incubation temperature
29:36
Stephen Divers: of the egg. So if the
29:38
Stephen Divers: temperatures start to warm up,
29:38
Stephen Divers: we're gonna skew the ratios of
29:43
Stephen Divers: our turtles and tortoises.
29:43
Stephen Divers: Right.
29:45
Stephen Divers: So this was a project where they
29:45
Stephen Divers: needed us to do a gender ID. And
29:50
Stephen Divers: so what you're looking at here
29:50
Stephen Divers: on the right, this is an
29:52
Stephen Divers: endangered asian box turtle.
29:55
Stephen Divers: It's a Cuora flavomarginata. And
29:55
Stephen Divers: it weighs about 10 grammes. So
30:03
Stephen Divers: that's just under half an ounce
30:03
Stephen Divers: for those of you outside of the
30:08
Stephen Divers: scientific community.
30:10
Julian Hoad: 10 grammes is about
30:10
Julian Hoad: the size of a small egg.
30:13
Stephen Divers: Yeah, so that's
30:13
Stephen Divers: the stomach here and then you
30:17
Stephen Divers: can see the liver. It looks pale
30:17
Stephen Divers: because it's really absorbed
30:19
Stephen Divers: It's yolk sac.
30:21
Stephen Divers: And as we go caudalie you can
30:21
Stephen Divers: see lung and this is the
30:26
Stephen Divers: intestinal tract down here.
30:28
Stephen Divers: That's actually Meckels
30:28
Stephen Divers: diverticulum. That's where the
30:30
Stephen Divers: yolk sac was attached. And then
30:30
Stephen Divers: this is the gonads.
30:33
Stephen Divers: And so you can now see that this
30:33
Stephen Divers: is a very immature ovary. Right,
30:37
Stephen Divers: you see that?
30:38
Mike Brampton: Wow.
30:38
Julian Hoad: Yeah, yeah, gosh.
30:40
Stephen Divers: And then
30:40
Stephen Divers: actually, as we're get in
30:41
Stephen Divers: closer, to give you some idea of
30:41
Stephen Divers: the visual purity you can get
30:48
Stephen Divers: with this equipment. And you can
30:48
Stephen Divers: now see the individual
30:51
Stephen Divers: erythrocytes coursing through
30:51
Stephen Divers: the caterpillaries
30:54
Julian Hoad: oh my goodness.
30:55
Julian Hoad: So you can
30:56
Stephen Divers: So that's going
30:56
Stephen Divers: from like, you know, a 100 kilo
31:00
Stephen Divers: tortoise to a 10 gramme tortoise
31:03
Mike Brampton: This is
31:03
Mike Brampton: incredible Steve, Amazing.
31:05
Stephen Divers: Well, do you
31:05
Stephen Divers: want me to show you another one?
31:07
Stephen Divers: Are you bored? Do you wanna go?
31:07
Stephen Divers: What do you want to talk about?
31:10
Julian Hoad: I couldn't get
31:10
Julian Hoad: bored at all with this
31:12
Stephen Divers: This is a
31:12
Stephen Divers: Gyr-Prairie Falcon. And so this
31:15
Stephen Divers: is a nice, falconry bird. And it
31:15
Stephen Divers: was diagnosed with
31:21
Stephen Divers: aspergillosis.
31:22
Stephen Divers: So common fungal condition,
31:22
Stephen Divers: theres the radiograph of the
31:25
Stephen Divers: bird, they put it on the
31:25
Stephen Divers: antifungal, but it got worse.
31:29
Stephen Divers: And now you can see this big
31:29
Stephen Divers: granuloma just here, and it's
31:34
Stephen Divers: right over the heart.
31:39
Julian Hoad: Sorry Steve, for
31:39
Julian Hoad: the listeners, Steve showing us
31:43
Julian Hoad: some radiographs. And in the
31:43
Julian Hoad: lung field, there's a rather
31:48
Julian Hoad: hazy lump, its probably the best
31:48
Julian Hoad: way of describing it.
31:54
Julian Hoad: That hazy lump is caused by
31:54
Julian Hoad: chronic inflammation and
31:59
Julian Hoad: infection within that lung. And
31:59
Julian Hoad: it's stopping the lung from
32:02
Julian Hoad: inflating properly and stopping
32:02
Julian Hoad: the parrot from able to breathe
32:05
Julian Hoad: adequately. So sorry carry on
32:07
Stephen Divers: No, it's ok
32:08
Mike Brampton: Except its a
32:08
Mike Brampton: falcon Julian
32:11
Stephen Divers: Yeah, its a
32:11
Stephen Divers: falcon Julian not a parrot.
32:12
Stephen Divers: I was gonna let that slide Mike,
32:12
Stephen Divers: but obviously he weren't going
32:16
Stephen Divers: to that's fair enough.
32:24
Stephen Divers: But how do you get access to
32:24
Stephen Divers: this? And so some people have
32:28
Stephen Divers: tried to get access to this
32:28
Stephen Divers: area, you have to think about
32:32
Stephen Divers: removing the keel.
32:33
Stephen Divers: And though there is a very well
32:33
Stephen Divers: renowned surgeon who's actually
32:37
Stephen Divers: attempted to remove the keel
32:37
Stephen Divers: from birds to get to these
32:39
Stephen Divers: sites, and they've all expired.
32:39
Stephen Divers: It's not been successful.
32:43
Stephen Divers: So I want to show you a video.
32:43
Stephen Divers: And this is an endoscopic video.
32:48
Stephen Divers: And so you can see the lung
32:48
Stephen Divers: here.
32:50
Stephen Divers: You can see this beating down
32:50
Stephen Divers: here, which is the heart and on
32:54
Stephen Divers: top. This is this granuloma,
32:54
Stephen Divers: this mass.
32:58
Stephen Divers: And so we're using an endoscope
32:58
Stephen Divers: to go in and actually debride
33:02
Stephen Divers: remove,
33:04
Stephen Divers: and I'm gonna do this quickly,
33:04
Stephen Divers: but just show you breaking down
33:07
Stephen Divers: that membrane and then getting
33:07
Stephen Divers: access to this infection and
33:10
Stephen Divers: being able to remove it and
33:15
Stephen Divers: I'm a bit embarrassed really
33:15
Stephen Divers: that how come endoscopy and endo
33:20
Stephen Divers: surgery was developed for huge
33:20
Stephen Divers: hulking, you know, 70-80 kilos,
33:25
Stephen Divers: humans,
33:26
Stephen Divers: I mean, whereas when you're
33:26
Stephen Divers: dealing with something that
33:29
Stephen Divers: weighs you know, grammes, or
33:29
Stephen Divers: maybe a kilogramme, or two at
33:34
Stephen Divers: most,
33:34
Stephen Divers: the endoscopic techniques make
33:34
Stephen Divers: far more sense. So you can see
33:38
Stephen Divers: this actually isn't me now, this
33:38
Stephen Divers: is my resident.
33:41
Stephen Divers: I'm actually just the camera
33:41
Stephen Divers: holder on this particular case.
33:43
Stephen Divers: She's a third year resident, so
33:43
Stephen Divers: she's at the end of a training
33:46
Stephen Divers: programme.
33:46
Stephen Divers: So at this point, we let them do
33:46
Stephen Divers: and take more of a lead.
33:50
Stephen Divers: But you can see now she's
33:50
Stephen Divers: removing the infection and it's
33:54
Stephen Divers: gonna come out
33:56
Stephen Divers: So anyway, that's, I just wanted
33:56
Stephen Divers: to share with you guys a couple
33:59
Stephen Divers: of examples of this sort of
33:59
Stephen Divers: endoscopic techniques
34:04
Julian Hoad: Absolutely amazing.
34:04
Julian Hoad: And did the Falcon do well?
34:07
Stephen Divers: What? Julian I'm
34:07
Stephen Divers: not going to show you a video of
34:10
Stephen Divers: an animal that basically expired
34:10
Stephen Divers: like immediately after surgery
34:15
Stephen Divers: I mean, I have those cases, but
34:15
Stephen Divers: I thought you'd prefer to see a
34:18
Stephen Divers: success story.
34:19
Julian Hoad: I prefer to see
34:19
Julian Hoad: one, what I meant was did it
34:23
Julian Hoad: need much in the way ongoing
34:23
Julian Hoad: treatment?
34:26
Stephen Divers: Whats
34:26
Stephen Divers: interesting is that birds, well
34:28
Stephen Divers: all animals right, humans
34:28
Stephen Divers: included, we tolerate these
34:32
Stephen Divers: minimally invasive endoscopic
34:32
Stephen Divers: approaches much more readily
34:38
Stephen Divers: easily than a traditional
34:38
Stephen Divers: surgery.
34:40
Stephen Divers: You have a person that goes for
34:40
Stephen Divers: an endoscopy, they're up and
34:44
Stephen Divers: they're out hospital the next
34:44
Stephen Divers: day,
34:46
Stephen Divers: you do a major x lab, that
34:46
Stephen Divers: person is in hospital for five,
34:50
Stephen Divers: six days.
34:54
Stephen Divers: It's the same thing for all of
34:54
Stephen Divers: them, so we find when we do
35:01
Stephen Divers: these endoscopy procedures, the
35:01
Stephen Divers: birds, the rabbits, the
35:04
Stephen Divers: tortoises, they recover so much
35:04
Stephen Divers: quicker,
35:06
Stephen Divers: their hospitalisation is
35:06
Stephen Divers: reduced, and they respond
35:10
Stephen Divers: quickly. A good example would be
35:10
Stephen Divers: rabbits.
35:13
Stephen Divers: So I do all my rabbit
35:13
Stephen Divers: sterilisations now the females
35:17
Stephen Divers: are all done laparoscopic
35:17
Stephen Divers: ovarian ectomy, and those
35:20
Stephen Divers: animals bounce back very
35:20
Stephen Divers: quickly.
35:22
Julian Hoad: Here's an
35:22
Julian Hoad: interesting thing. I thought the
35:24
Julian Hoad: for the rate of development, or
35:24
Julian Hoad: the risk of development of a
35:24
Julian Hoad: view was that you had to do
35:24
Julian Hoad: ovarian hysterectomy in rabbits,
35:33
Julian Hoad: uterine adenocarcinoma
35:35
Stephen Divers: So if you remove
35:35
Stephen Divers: the ovary before the animal
35:38
Stephen Divers: reaches about, well, probably
35:38
Stephen Divers: before a year of age, but we're
35:43
Stephen Divers: a little bit more conservative,
35:44
Stephen Divers: because we say as long as we do
35:44
Stephen Divers: it before nine months of age,
35:50
Stephen Divers: and of the dozens and dozens and
35:50
Stephen Divers: dozens that we've done over the
35:53
Stephen Divers: last sort of eight years, 10
35:53
Stephen Divers: years, we've never had any
35:56
Stephen Divers: comeback.
35:57
Stephen Divers: And I think the same thing.
35:57
Stephen Divers: Actually. I don't know.
35:59
Stephen Divers: Actually, I'll ask you this
35:59
Stephen Divers: question. What about the bitch
36:04
Stephen Divers: the female dog?
36:05
Stephen Divers: Is it still recommended to do an
36:05
Stephen Divers: ovariectomy or a ovary
36:08
Stephen Divers: hysterectomy?
36:09
Julian Hoad: It's a bit of a
36:09
Julian Hoad: heated debate. For the last 10
36:14
Julian Hoad: years, I've done purely
36:14
Julian Hoad: ovariectomys. And for the last
36:19
Julian Hoad: three years that's been
36:19
Julian Hoad: laparoscopic.
36:23
Stephen Divers: Right, exactly.
36:23
Stephen Divers: And I think that's the important
36:25
Stephen Divers: point is that we have those same
36:25
Stephen Divers: debates in the US but there's
36:29
Stephen Divers: been I mean, if you look at the
36:29
Stephen Divers: peer reviewed literature,
36:31
Stephen Divers: there is no doubt that a
36:31
Stephen Divers: laparoscopic ovariectomy is the
36:37
Stephen Divers: procedure of choice if you can
36:37
Stephen Divers: do it, and the whole concept of
36:42
Stephen Divers: getting uterine disease, I think
36:42
Stephen Divers: falls away.
36:45
Stephen Divers: Once you remove that endocrine
36:45
Stephen Divers: component. I mean, it just
36:48
Stephen Divers: becomes an involuted structure.
36:48
Stephen Divers: So but I do agree,
36:52
Stephen Divers: I do agree that I wouldn't be
36:52
Stephen Divers: doing laparoscopic ovariectomy
36:56
Stephen Divers: in a mature older animal because
36:56
Stephen Divers: I would be fearful that there
36:59
Stephen Divers: could be pre existing uterine
36:59
Stephen Divers: changes,
37:01
Stephen Divers: but we haven't seen if we do at
37:01
Stephen Divers: nine months or below, but that's
37:03
Stephen Divers: just another example of how
37:03
Stephen Divers: we're using endoscopy as a
37:06
Stephen Divers: routine part of the practice
37:06
Stephen Divers: now.
37:08
Julian Hoad: Yeah,
37:09
Julian Hoad: We find it when we're doing
37:09
Julian Hoad: liver biopsy or general
37:15
Julian Hoad: abdominal biopsies they are day
37:15
Julian Hoad: patients now,
37:18
Stephen Divers: Right, exactly,
37:18
Stephen Divers: yeah. And what's interesting
37:21
Stephen Divers: actually, we recently published
37:21
Stephen Divers: a paper in the vet rec, I don't
37:23
Stephen Divers: know if you saw it
37:24
Stephen Divers: It was an evaluation of the
37:24
Stephen Divers: diagnostic accuracy of things
37:30
Stephen Divers: like you know, history, physical
37:30
Stephen Divers: exam, bloodwork, imaging,
37:36
Stephen Divers: radiographs, endoscopy and
37:36
Stephen Divers: biopsy for evaluating liver
37:42
Stephen Divers: disease in parrots.
37:43
Stephen Divers: And what was in one way
37:43
Stephen Divers: concerning and in one way,
37:49
Stephen Divers: revealing is that it doesn't
37:49
Stephen Divers: matter.
37:51
Stephen Divers: All of those diagnostic
37:51
Stephen Divers: procedures, whether it's the
37:55
Stephen Divers: history, physical exam, whether
37:55
Stephen Divers: it's bloodwork, whether it's
37:57
Stephen Divers: imaging,
37:58
Stephen Divers: They were not effective at
37:58
Stephen Divers: diagnosing liver disease in
38:03
Stephen Divers: birds, even endoscopy, you would
38:03
Stephen Divers: endoscope, and you might look at
38:07
Stephen Divers: the liver,
38:07
Stephen Divers: and you couldn't tell if it was
38:07
Stephen Divers: diseased or not. But the biopsy,
38:11
Stephen Divers: the biopsy was the gold
38:11
Stephen Divers: standard.
38:13
Stephen Divers: And so I think, you know, that's
38:13
Stephen Divers: what we're learning in birds,
38:16
Stephen Divers: but I know you've got much more
38:16
Stephen Divers: reliable clinical pathology
38:19
Stephen Divers: tests that you can use for dogs
38:19
Stephen Divers: and cats.
38:22
Stephen Divers: But ultimately, you're right,
38:22
Stephen Divers: you got to get a piece of that
38:26
Stephen Divers: liver tissue for a definitive
38:26
Stephen Divers: diagnosis.
38:28
Stephen Divers: And that's what we now strive to
38:28
Stephen Divers: do on a more sort of regular
38:32
Stephen Divers: routine basis.
38:34
Julian Hoad: Yeah, I do a lot of
38:34
Julian Hoad: ultrasound-
38:37
Mike Brampton: Gentlemen, I've
38:37
Mike Brampton: finally got you!
38:40
Julian Hoad: You got us. You got
38:40
Julian Hoad: us Mike!
38:42
Mike Brampton: Hello Steve!
38:46
Stephen Divers: So have you just
38:46
Stephen Divers: been staring at a blank screen
38:49
Stephen Divers: for the last 20 minutes?
38:50
Mike Brampton: Well, the last
38:50
Mike Brampton: hour? Yeah.
38:53
Julian Hoad: I was chatting to
38:53
Julian Hoad: some of my younger colleagues,
38:58
Julian Hoad: at the practice the other day.
39:00
Julian Hoad: And I was telling them when I
39:00
Julian Hoad: first qualified, we'd be down
39:03
Julian Hoad: the pub wouldn't we of a
39:03
Julian Hoad: lunchtime.
39:05
Stephen Divers: Do people still
39:05
Stephen Divers: do that? Do people still go to
39:08
Stephen Divers: the pub on a lunchtime?
39:09
Julian Hoad: No, you'd never
39:09
Julian Hoad: dream of it!
39:11
Stephen Divers: See. That's the
39:11
Stephen Divers: difference. I miss England of
39:14
Stephen Divers: 2000. Not 2019.
39:17
Stephen Divers: Now, I must admit, though, I was
39:17
Stephen Divers: never a big proponent of going
39:20
Stephen Divers: to the pub. And it was always
39:20
Stephen Divers: only on a Friday because if we
39:22
Stephen Divers: went for a beer on Friday
39:22
Stephen Divers: lunchtime.
39:25
Stephen Divers: Oh my god Friday afternoon. That
39:25
Stephen Divers: was that was problematic. That
39:28
Stephen Divers: was just difficult.
39:29
Stephen Divers: It's just, you know what I mean,
39:29
Stephen Divers: the energy drains out of you and
39:33
Stephen Divers: I can't drink anywhere near the
39:33
Stephen Divers: way I used to.
39:35
Stephen Divers: I mean, my fridge used to be
39:35
Stephen Divers: full of Guinness, you know, and
39:38
Stephen Divers: you were a single malt person,
39:38
Stephen Divers: if I remember correctly,
39:42
Stephen Divers: McKellen?
39:45
Stephen Divers: That's it, Tallisker
39:47
Julian Hoad: Other malts are
39:47
Julian Hoad: available,
39:50
Julian Hoad: Steve do you remember that guy
39:50
Julian Hoad: who drove to practice because
39:54
Julian Hoad: he'd found a snake crawling up
39:54
Julian Hoad: his leg while he was driving
39:57
Julian Hoad: and he phoned us and said if I
39:57
Julian Hoad: bring it to the practice, if I
39:59
Julian Hoad: carry on driving to the
39:59
Julian Hoad: practice, will you identify it
40:02
Julian Hoad: for me?
40:05
Stephen Divers: I take your word
40:05
Stephen Divers: for it. Obviously, there are so
40:07
Stephen Divers: many unidentified snake stories
40:07
Stephen Divers: that I can't pinpoint that
40:10
Stephen Divers: precise one. But that doesn't
40:10
Stephen Divers: surprise me.
40:13
Julian Hoad: I mean, you used to
40:13
Julian Hoad: say, there's no such thing as a
40:15
Julian Hoad: reptile immersion-
40:18
Stephen Divers: I still maintain
40:18
Stephen Divers: that, I still maintain that it's
40:21
Stephen Divers: pretty tough to convince me that
40:21
Stephen Divers: I need to go in and see a
40:24
Stephen Divers: reptile at two o'clock in the
40:24
Stephen Divers: morning.
40:26
Julian Hoad: You'd say to
40:26
Julian Hoad: someone, okay, it sounds really
40:28
Julian Hoad: urgent. I'd recommend you put a
40:28
Julian Hoad: first class stamp on this one.
40:31
Stephen Divers: Yeah, we should
40:31
Stephen Divers: see probably by a week on
40:33
Stephen Divers: Tuesday. Now, what usually
40:33
Stephen Divers: happens is they're like, 'Oh, it
40:40
Stephen Divers: is emergency because it stopped
40:40
Stephen Divers: breathing.'
40:45
Stephen Divers: And so they actually bring it
40:45
Stephen Divers: in, in the final throes of life,
40:50
Stephen Divers: you know, or actually, even
40:50
Stephen Divers: sometimes, you can actually get
40:53
Stephen Divers: the odour of,
40:56
Stephen Divers: of death that's been percolating
40:56
Stephen Divers: for several days when they bring
41:00
Stephen Divers: it in. So, I mean, sometimes
41:00
Stephen Divers: they just wait a little bit too
41:04
Stephen Divers: long.
41:05
Julian Hoad: They do, although I
41:05
Julian Hoad: do remember someone sent you,
41:07
Julian Hoad: was it a Python for post mortem?
41:10
Julian Hoad: And you started doing the post
41:10
Julian Hoad: mortem and realised it was still
41:12
Julian Hoad: alive. And so
41:14
Stephen Divers: Their hearts
41:14
Stephen Divers: keep going, so they can actually
41:16
Stephen Divers: be dead. You can actually have a
41:16
Stephen Divers: completely dead snake.
41:19
Stephen Divers: You can decapitate it, but its
41:19
Stephen Divers: heart might keep beating for
41:22
Stephen Divers: like a day or two.
41:23
Stephen Divers: Yeah, it can be a little off
41:23
Stephen Divers: putting to the less seasoned
41:29
Stephen Divers: reptile pathologists put it that
41:29
Stephen Divers: way.
41:31
Stephen Divers: Although I did have one
41:31
Stephen Divers: situation. I mean, obviously, we
41:33
Stephen Divers: never did venomous snakes in the
41:33
Stephen Divers: UK, but in the US, we you know,
41:37
Stephen Divers: we see venomous snakes.
41:39
Stephen Divers: And so there's a you know, my
41:39
Stephen Divers: approach is that you have to be
41:43
Stephen Divers: inappropriate to get bitten by a
41:43
Stephen Divers: venomous snake, right,
41:47
Stephen Divers: you're doing something wrong to
41:47
Stephen Divers: put yourself in that position.
41:50
Stephen Divers: To get envenomated by
41:50
Stephen Divers: n unconscious anaesthetised snak
41:56
Stephen Divers: obviously, indicates that there
41:56
Stephen Divers: are probably greater problems,
42:05
Stephen Divers: but I have actually had one case
42:08
Stephen Divers: where a pathologist got
42:08
Stephen Divers: envenomated by a snake that had
42:10
Stephen Divers: been dead for three days. And I
42:10
Stephen Divers: don't think there's any hope for
42:12
Stephen Divers: those sorts of individuals.
42:13
Stephen Divers: I just don't know what you're
42:13
Stephen Divers: supposed to do.
42:17
Mike Brampton: I love the way
42:17
Mike Brampton: you flip your mic up around your
42:19
Mike Brampton: glasses to have a drink there
42:19
Mike Brampton: Steve
42:21
Mike Brampton: Was the pathlogist okay?
42:26
Stephen Divers: It's fine. I
42:26
Stephen Divers: think they were just more
42:27
Stephen Divers: embarrassed and then well,
42:27
Stephen Divers: actually, so I got I actually
42:31
Stephen Divers: did get bitten by a beaded
42:31
Stephen Divers: lizard once.
42:34
Stephen Divers: Actually, there's been a few
42:34
Stephen Divers: stories. I've been chased by a
42:36
Stephen Divers: bison.
42:37
Stephen Divers: I got bitten by a beaded lizard.
42:37
Stephen Divers: So, we have this group of beaded
42:44
Stephen Divers: lizards come in. And so I'm
42:44
Stephen Divers: working with residents.
42:46
Stephen Divers: I'm like, I'm gonna grab it,
42:46
Stephen Divers: right? Yeah, you kind of you
42:50
Stephen Divers: have to be quite, somewhat
42:50
Stephen Divers: stupid to get bitten by a beaded
42:55
Stephen Divers: They're not like really rapid.
42:55
Stephen Divers: They don't strike, you know,
42:55
Stephen Divers: lizard.
42:59
Stephen Divers: they kind of wander over, they
42:59
Stephen Divers: sort of grab and then they chew
43:02
Stephen Divers: on you a little bit.
43:03
Stephen Divers: You know, it takes a lot of
43:03
Stephen Divers: effort to get envenomated by
43:06
Stephen Divers: beaded lizard. So I'd grab the
43:06
Stephen Divers: lizard and then I get my
43:09
Stephen Divers: resident to wrap up its head as
43:09
Stephen Divers: a kind of muzzle
43:15
Stephen Divers: and then we'd inject it and,
43:15
Stephen Divers: ketamine medetomidine, and then
43:20
Stephen Divers: we could work on it.
43:22
Stephen Divers: So I grabbed this beaded lizard,
43:22
Stephen Divers: my resident at the time, she
43:25
Stephen Divers: wraps up its mouth. And I'm
43:25
Stephen Divers: like, is it wrapped up?
43:29
Stephen Divers: Yes. Are you sure? Oh, yeah,
43:29
Stephen Divers: it's absolutely wrapped up, it's
43:32
Stephen Divers: secure.
43:33
Stephen Divers: And then the animal suddenly
43:33
Stephen Divers: moves.
43:36
Stephen Divers: And I basically caught my finger
43:36
Stephen Divers: on one of its teeth. So it was
43:39
Stephen Divers: more a case of I pulled my
43:39
Stephen Divers: finger against its tooth rather
43:44
Stephen Divers: than I actually got bitten.
43:45
Stephen Divers: But anyway, you know what it's
43:45
Stephen Divers: like with reptiles, you bleed
43:48
Stephen Divers: quite profusely from their
43:48
Stephen Divers: little razor sharp teeth.
43:51
Stephen Divers: So blood starts dripping. And
43:51
Stephen Divers: then, you know, my technician is
43:55
Stephen Divers: like, do I need to get the car
43:55
Stephen Divers: and take you to the hospital?
44:00
Stephen Divers: And the student says, But hang
44:00
Stephen Divers: on a second. Dr. Divers, I
44:02
Stephen Divers: thought you said you'd have to
44:02
Stephen Divers: be stupid to get bitten by a
44:04
Stephen Divers: beaded lizard?
44:05
Stephen Divers: So anyway, it was fine. It was
44:05
Stephen Divers: just like one of those little
44:09
Stephen Divers: things, but we have a few
44:09
Stephen Divers: stories like that.
44:16
Stephen Divers: Yeah, that's the one thing I
44:16
Stephen Divers: miss, the relationship that
44:26
Stephen Divers: people have with wildlife is
44:26
Stephen Divers: quite different in the UK
44:31
Stephen Divers: compared to the US.
44:32
Stephen Divers: I mean, don't get me wrong. We
44:32
Stephen Divers: have a lot of good Samaritans
44:35
Stephen Divers: that will bring in injured
44:35
Stephen Divers: wildlife.
44:37
Stephen Divers: But there is a lot more hunting
44:37
Stephen Divers: that occurs in the US. So that
44:45
Stephen Divers: creates a little bit of a
44:45
Stephen Divers: separation, I think, between
44:48
Stephen Divers: people wanting to get involved.
44:49
Stephen Divers: And then we also have certain
44:49
Stephen Divers: things like you know, venomous
44:52
Stephen Divers: snakes, we have copperheads.
44:53
Stephen Divers: If you get bitten by a
44:53
Stephen Divers: Copperhead that's going to ruin
44:54
Stephen Divers: your day.
44:55
Stephen Divers: And if you get bitten by a
44:55
Stephen Divers: rattlesnake, it's probably going
44:58
Stephen Divers: to ruin your entire weekend. If
44:58
Stephen Divers: not the rest of the week.
45:02
Stephen Divers: So we have those things and then
45:02
Stephen Divers: we have some rather nasty bugs
45:06
Stephen Divers: that give you a bit of a nip. So
45:06
Stephen Divers: there's a few things to watch
45:10
Stephen Divers: out for.
45:10
Stephen Divers: But yeah, so copperheads,
45:10
Stephen Divers: rattlesnakes, cotton mouse,
45:15
Stephen Divers: those are the kind of main ones
45:15
Stephen Divers: we see in Georgia.
45:18
Stephen Divers: So we get a dogs quite
45:18
Stephen Divers: frequently come in having been
45:21
Stephen Divers: bitten and have to have the anti
45:21
Stephen Divers: venom.
45:24
Julian Hoad: Yeah. What about
45:24
Julian Hoad: the reptile owners?
45:28
Julian Hoad: Are they are they more of a
45:28
Julian Hoad: knowledgeable bunch than they
45:30
Julian Hoad: are in...? I'm not dissing the
45:30
Julian Hoad: UK there.
45:36
Stephen Divers: I was like. I'm
45:36
Stephen Divers: like, I'm watching Julian dig
45:39
Stephen Divers: himself a hole here. And I'm
45:39
Stephen Divers: like, should I interject? I'm
45:42
Stephen Divers: like, No, keep going. Julian,
45:42
Stephen Divers: this is comedy at its best.
45:46
Julian Hoad: I stand by that
45:46
Julian Hoad: actually. Because the number 1
45:49
Julian Hoad: problem we see as vets in this
45:49
Julian Hoad: country with all reptiles is
45:55
Julian Hoad: poor husbandry.
45:57
Stephen Divers: I think that's
45:57
Stephen Divers: still true. I think that we see,
46:02
Stephen Divers: I think we generally see some
46:02
Stephen Divers: improvements. And I'm very
46:07
Stephen Divers: protected. Right.
46:08
Stephen Divers: So I'm in the ivory tower of
46:08
Stephen Divers: academia. So for things to come
46:12
Stephen Divers: to me, they've already filtered
46:12
Stephen Divers: out by first opinion
46:16
Stephen Divers: practitioners,
46:18
Stephen Divers: the financial restrictions have
46:18
Stephen Divers: already been filtered out. So by
46:22
Stephen Divers: the time people come to me,
46:22
Stephen Divers: there's usually a very dedicated
46:25
Stephen Divers: client,
46:26
Stephen Divers: and with resources, but yeah, we
46:26
Stephen Divers: still see a lot of secondary
46:32
Stephen Divers: nutrition, hyperparathyroidism,
46:32
Stephen Divers: metabolic bone disease, we still
46:35
Stephen Divers: see trauma cases,
46:36
Stephen Divers: we still see malnutrition. And
46:36
Stephen Divers: if they don't kill it, before it
46:41
Stephen Divers: becomes an adult, then we see
46:41
Stephen Divers: reproductive disease, and the
46:43
Stephen Divers: consequences of that animal
46:43
Stephen Divers: making it to adulthood,
46:46
Stephen Divers: particularly females. So yeah,
46:46
Stephen Divers: we still see a lot of those
46:49
Stephen Divers: sorts of issues. And most of it,
46:49
Stephen Divers: most of it is ignorance, right?
46:55
Stephen Divers: They just don't know, rather
46:55
Stephen Divers: than it being any kind of abuse
47:01
Stephen Divers: or any kind of, you know, yeah,
47:01
Stephen Divers: negligence its more a case of
47:06
Stephen Divers: lack of education,
47:10
Stephen Divers: and the trouble is, there's a
47:10
Stephen Divers: lot of advertising, you know,
47:13
Stephen Divers: you can buy those reptile bulbs,
47:13
Stephen Divers: and it says, you know, daylight,
47:17
Stephen Divers: and people think oh, that's
47:17
Stephen Divers: that's what divers meant,
47:19
Stephen Divers: that's, that's that full
47:19
Stephen Divers: spectrum, daylight bulb. And
47:21
Stephen Divers: it's not right, you know,
47:22
Stephen Divers: and so there's a lot of those
47:22
Stephen Divers: sort of marketing subtleties,
47:26
Stephen Divers: which is, I think, problematic.
47:26
Stephen Divers: So we often actually get people
47:31
Stephen Divers: to take photographs and videos
47:31
Stephen Divers: of their setups.
47:35
Stephen Divers: So that or if they can't bring
47:35
Stephen Divers: it in, but take videos and
47:38
Stephen Divers: pictures, and then when they
47:38
Stephen Divers: come in, we can actually look at
47:41
Stephen Divers: that kind of setup. And that's
47:41
Stephen Divers: very helpful.
47:43
Stephen Divers: And then our history form, I
47:43
Stephen Divers: think, for reptiles and birds,
47:46
Stephen Divers: just the husbandry, nutrition is
47:46
Stephen Divers: like three pages long. So you
47:50
Stephen Divers: know, trying to get all those
47:50
Stephen Divers: details, because you're right,
47:52
Stephen Divers: if you can't find a predisposing
47:52
Stephen Divers: factor in the husbandry and the
47:56
Stephen Divers: nutrition, then go back and look
47:56
Stephen Divers: again, because you're probably
47:59
Stephen Divers: missing something.
48:02
Julian Hoad: Would you ever,
48:02
Julian Hoad: you'd see yourself going back
48:05
Julian Hoad: into private practice you said
48:05
Julian Hoad: earlier?
48:06
Stephen Divers: No, I must admit
48:06
Stephen Divers: I do love it.
48:11
Stephen Divers: So, you know, my, like I said,
48:11
Stephen Divers: we've got this fantastic
48:15
Stephen Divers: hospital.
48:16
Stephen Divers: And you know, we have a
48:16
Stephen Divers: dedicated exotic service.
48:23
Stephen Divers: So I have two residents, and
48:23
Stephen Divers: usually around four students,
48:26
Stephen Divers: and then I have two technicians
48:26
Stephen Divers: as well. And so their day,
48:30
Stephen Divers: students and the residents their
48:30
Stephen Divers: day starts pretty early. So
48:33
Stephen Divers: like, usually, we're busy at the
48:33
Stephen Divers: moment.
48:35
Stephen Divers: So they're usually coming in
48:35
Stephen Divers: about 630-7 o'clock in the
48:37
Stephen Divers: morning.
48:38
Stephen Divers: They're processing all the
48:38
Stephen Divers: cases, making sure everything's
48:41
Stephen Divers: fits treatments, making sure
48:41
Stephen Divers: that medical records are written
48:43
Stephen Divers: up, and then I roll in about
48:43
Stephen Divers: 830.
48:46
Stephen Divers: And then we sit down and we have
48:46
Stephen Divers: rounds and so we discuss all the
48:49
Stephen Divers: cases. And then we do our
48:49
Stephen Divers: workups or our appointments and
48:53
Stephen Divers: then to put it in perspective
48:55
Stephen Divers: Currently, we have four
48:55
Stephen Divers: appointment slots a day. Now,
49:01
Stephen Divers: those of you in private practice
49:01
Stephen Divers: will laugh, right but we have
49:05
Stephen Divers: four appointments,
49:06
Julian Hoad: So you saying you
49:06
Julian Hoad: have 4 appointments slots an
49:08
Julian Hoad: hour, that's that's not many, is
49:08
Julian Hoad: it?
49:09
Stephen Divers: No, no, no, I
49:09
Stephen Divers: have four appointment slots
49:12
Stephen Divers: between nine o'clock and three
49:12
Stephen Divers: o'clock in the afternoon or
49:15
Stephen Divers: whatever.
49:16
Stephen Divers: And so we have appointments and
49:16
Stephen Divers: then the other resident will be
49:21
Stephen Divers: during workops and surgeries and
49:21
Stephen Divers: then we reconvene,
49:27
Stephen Divers: but yeah, we've got a CT we got
49:27
Stephen Divers: three T MRIs. We've actually got
49:32
Stephen Divers: 70 MRI available as well.
49:34
Stephen Divers: We've got 24 seven ICU and IMC,
49:34
Stephen Divers: we have dedicated pharmacy with
49:39
Stephen Divers: pharmacists. I mean it's just
49:39
Stephen Divers: it's just a wonderful place to
49:42
Stephen Divers: work
49:42
Stephen Divers: the people phenomenal as well.
49:42
Stephen Divers: And you know, it's physically
49:46
Stephen Divers: impossible for me to get from my
49:46
Stephen Divers: car when I park and get into my
49:52
Stephen Divers: area of the hospital
49:54
Stephen Divers: without having to say good
49:54
Stephen Divers: morning or reciprocating a good
49:58
Stephen Divers: morning gesture to at least a
49:58
Stephen Divers: dozen people, so everyone's very
50:02
Stephen Divers: friendly.
50:04
Stephen Divers: And so, it's nice to be able to
50:04
Stephen Divers: do on hospital duty and then off
50:10
Stephen Divers: hospital duty and then doing
50:10
Stephen Divers: research and they let me do
50:13
Stephen Divers: things like write textbooks or
50:13
Stephen Divers: travel and lecture
50:16
Stephen Divers: and so there's a lot of freedom.
50:16
Stephen Divers: So I would have a hard time I
50:19
Stephen Divers: think going back. I do love it.
50:25
Stephen Divers: I actually joke with my wife, I
50:25
Stephen Divers: said, if we won the Georgia
50:28
Stephen Divers: lottery, we won like $200
50:28
Stephen Divers: million I would still go to work
50:33
Stephen Divers: every day.
50:34
Stephen Divers: You know, she wouldn't, she'd be
50:34
Stephen Divers: off like a shot but I would
50:37
Stephen Divers: still be oging to work everyday
50:37
Stephen Divers: and I think that's the best
50:43
Stephen Divers: thing right?
50:43
Stephen Divers: I mean, if you can say that you
50:43
Stephen Divers: enjoy your job that much that
50:46
Stephen Divers: you'd go in even if you didn't
50:46
Stephen Divers: need the money, then you don't
50:49
Stephen Divers: really work a day in your life
50:49
Stephen Divers: to be honest.
50:51
Mike Brampton: Yeah, you enjoy
50:51
Mike Brampton: the teaching as well don't you
50:53
Mike Brampton: Stephen?
50:54
Stephen Divers: So I do like the
50:54
Stephen Divers: teaching and but my philosophy
51:01
Stephen Divers: of teaching comes from
51:01
Stephen Divers: influences, particularly the
51:05
Stephen Divers: British SAS,
51:06
Stephen Divers: so my approach to teaching
51:06
Stephen Divers: follows the British SAS which is
51:09
Stephen Divers: I psychologically destroy them,
51:09
Stephen Divers: and then rebuild them in my own
51:13
Stephen Divers: image. That's kind of my
51:13
Stephen Divers: approach.
51:17
Julian Hoad: And of course, you
51:17
Julian Hoad: pay attention to the the seven
51:20
Julian Hoad: P's
51:20
Stephen Divers: The seven P's?
51:21
Julian Hoad: The seven P's, so
51:21
Julian Hoad: the the UK army thrives on this.
51:26
Julian Hoad: proper planning and preparation
51:26
Julian Hoad: prevents piss poor performance,
51:30
Mike Brampton: that says a lot
51:30
Mike Brampton: for veterinary ramblings,
51:33
Mike Brampton: doesn't it?
51:38
Julian Hoad: Bit of gins gone up
51:38
Julian Hoad: my nose there. We'd better move
51:47
Julian Hoad: on from that.
51:49
Julian Hoad: I think we getting to the stage
51:49
Julian Hoad: that we could do the CPD
51:53
Julian Hoad: certificate, what do you think
51:53
Julian Hoad: Mike?
51:54
Mike Brampton: We probably
51:54
Mike Brampton: should do the CPD certificate at
51:56
Mike Brampton: this point in time. Wow, what an
51:56
Mike Brampton: evening of CPD
51:59
Julian Hoad: Our regular viewers
51:59
Julian Hoad: will know that we are a CPD
52:04
Julian Hoad: provider
52:04
Mike Brampton: Absolutely
52:05
Julian Hoad: and as such we do a
52:05
Julian Hoad: CPD certificate and it's tailor
52:09
Julian Hoad: made each time so this is a
52:09
Julian Hoad: certificate of diverse CPD. And
52:17
Julian Hoad: what we can do is we can
52:17
Julian Hoad: actually cross off the-
52:21
Stephen Divers: Hang on, just so
52:21
Stephen Divers: I'm clear.
52:22
Stephen Divers: You're telling me that people
52:22
Stephen Divers: actually get, I can't this isn't
52:25
Stephen Divers: true, right?
52:26
Stephen Divers: People can get a certificate but
52:26
Stephen Divers: they're not actually getting CPD
52:28
Stephen Divers: for this surely?
52:30
Mike Brampton: Yeah, this is CPD
52:33
Stephen Divers: This is approved
52:33
Stephen Divers: CPD if people put this down on
52:36
Stephen Divers: their RCVS, CE or CPD diary,
52:36
Stephen Divers: they get credit for it. Is that
52:42
Stephen Divers: what you're telling me?
52:43
Mike Brampton: Yeah, yeah.
52:44
Stephen Divers: And you guys
52:44
Stephen Divers: have just blown that for
52:47
Stephen Divers: ridicule, out of the water. I
52:47
Stephen Divers: mean, I can't believe it.
52:51
Julian Hoad: We try and top
52:51
Julian Hoad: everything, so we've got, CPD of
52:54
Julian Hoad: Divers CPD.
52:56
Julian Hoad: Today we've covered all sorts of
52:56
Julian Hoad: stuff and shown incredible
52:59
Julian Hoad: diversity.
53:01
Julian Hoad: Gosh, aren't we good?
53:04
Julian Hoad: So him and me, and there we go,
53:04
Julian Hoad: there a Komodo dragon.
53:09
Stephen Divers: That is a Komodo
53:09
Stephen Divers: dragon.
53:10
Mike Brampton: We haven't talked
53:10
Mike Brampton: about Komodo dragons yet
53:12
Stephen Divers: That's a
53:12
Stephen Divers: chameleon. I'm trying to work
53:14
Stephen Divers: out if that's a, is that a
53:14
Stephen Divers: Parsons chameleon?
53:16
Stephen Divers: I can't really tell or is that a
53:16
Stephen Divers: yay man?
53:18
Julian Hoad: It's not a parsons
53:19
Stephen Divers: It's not a
53:19
Stephen Divers: parsons, is that a mayor's?
53:21
Julian Hoad: Yeah. And there's a
53:21
Julian Hoad: picture of a snake and I thought
53:24
Julian Hoad: this was quite good because this
53:24
Julian Hoad: tells us what we need to do to
53:28
Julian Hoad: make this class as CPD
53:30
Julian Hoad: this snake is reflecting.
53:34
Stephen Divers: Okay
53:35
Julian Hoad: I don't know
53:35
Julian Hoad: whether you have to do that in
53:36
Julian Hoad: the States but we we can't just
53:36
Julian Hoad: absorb CPD, we have to reflect
53:40
Julian Hoad: on it after we've been to a
53:40
Julian Hoad: lecture or if we read something
53:43
Mike Brampton: We can't just
53:43
Mike Brampton: present it or listen to it. We,
53:49
Mike Brampton: in the UK, it is required that
53:49
Mike Brampton: you reflect upon the CPD that
53:54
Mike Brampton: you've received. Or given.
53:58
Stephen Divers: I could do that.
53:58
Stephen Divers: Okay.
54:09
Julian Hoad: There, that's me
54:09
Julian Hoad: done.
54:13
Mike Brampton: There we go. CPD
54:15
Stephen Divers: I found that
54:15
Stephen Divers: strangely strangely refreshing
54:19
Julian Hoad: It's nice isn't it?
54:21
Stephen Divers: Pleasant
54:26
Stephen Divers: I hope it makes sense to
54:26
Stephen Divers: everybody.
54:29
Mike Brampton: I'm sure it will
54:30
Julian Hoad: If you have any
54:30
Julian Hoad: questions, please direct them to
54:32
Julian Hoad: Professor Stephen J Divers.
54:35
Julian Hoad: If you have any positive
54:35
Julian Hoad: comments, please send them to
54:39
Julian Hoad: Mike & Myself.
54:44
Julian Hoad: Steve, it's been fantastic
54:44
Julian Hoad: seeing you tonight. It really
54:47
Julian Hoad: has!
54:47
Mike Brampton: It's been
54:47
Mike Brampton: brilliant!
54:48
Julian Hoad: We need people to
54:48
Julian Hoad: remember that you have edited
54:52
Julian Hoad: the new-
54:57
Stephen Divers: Julian Julian,
54:57
Stephen Divers: let me hold it. Let me hold it
55:00
Stephen Divers: up because you're just holding
55:00
Stephen Divers: up something that looks fake.
55:05
Mike Brampton: Oh, here we go.
55:06
Stephen Divers: There you go.
55:06
Stephen Divers: See, that's the real thing.
55:08
Mike Brampton: Third edition
55:10
Stephen Divers: This weighs just
55:10
Stephen Divers: under five kilos. In fact, in
55:13
Stephen Divers: some states, this is classified
55:13
Stephen Divers: as a lethal weapon,
55:16
Stephen Divers: because if you hit someone on
55:16
Stephen Divers: their head with this, that's it.
55:18
Stephen Divers: It's all over. But that's how
55:18
Stephen Divers: much it weighs. All 1500 pages,
55:24
Stephen Divers: and 184 chapters.
55:28
Julian Hoad: So you didn't have
55:28
Julian Hoad: to slip into two volumes then?
55:32
Stephen Divers: Well so, there
55:32
Stephen Divers: was that discussion, but they
55:35
Stephen Divers: don't like to do that. If they
55:35
Stephen Divers: can help it. They certainly
55:38
Stephen Divers: don't like to do it. But anyway-
55:42
Julian Hoad: You grab the book.
55:42
Julian Hoad: You look in the index, you think
55:46
Julian Hoad: urgh the other volume, isn't it?
55:47
Stephen Divers: Right? Exactly.
55:47
Stephen Divers: Yeah.
55:49
Stephen Divers: But I think it's a good cure for
55:49
Stephen Divers: insomnia. And like you said, I
55:54
Stephen Divers: think in the US, it's $180,
55:54
Stephen Divers: which means in the UK, it's
55:59
Stephen Divers: probably 120 or something?
56:01
Mike Brampton: It's more like
56:01
Mike Brampton: 180
56:04
Stephen Divers: Is it really?
56:04
Stephen Divers: Okay, so it's 180. If you can
56:08
Stephen Divers: get an unsigned one.
56:09
Stephen Divers: If you get signed one, they're
56:09
Stephen Divers: only worth about five. So try
56:12
Stephen Divers: and get yourself an unsigned
56:12
Stephen Divers: copy. And it's, I think they're
56:16
Stephen Divers: worth their weight in gold.
56:19
Mike Brampton: We haven't done
56:19
Mike Brampton: the joke yet.
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Stephen Divers: Oh, there's a
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Stephen Divers: joke.
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Julian Hoad: I always, always
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Julian Hoad: tell a crap joke at the end.
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Stephen Divers: I thought the
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Stephen Divers: entire hour and a half was
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Stephen Divers: supposed to be the joke, there's
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Stephen Divers: something in addition? Okay, all
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Stephen Divers: right. Now I'm looking forward
56:35
Stephen Divers: to this.
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Julian Hoad: I tell quite a
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Julian Hoad: quick one, because we don't know
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Julian Hoad: what the internets gonna be
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Julian Hoad: like.
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Julian Hoad: But I thought let's do something
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Julian Hoad: a little bit exotic. So I'm
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Julian Hoad: going to do the joke about the
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Julian Hoad: snail, who wants to buy a
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Julian Hoad: Ferrari.
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Julian Hoad: And he goes into the Ferrari
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Julian Hoad: showroom. He says, 'I've saved
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Julian Hoad: up a bit of money.'
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Julian Hoad: 'I want to testarossa'. And so
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Julian Hoad: that'll date the joke.
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Julian Hoad: 'I want to red testarossa, but
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Julian Hoad: could you paint a big S on the
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Julian Hoad: front of it?'
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Julian Hoad: And the salesman said 'Well is
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Julian Hoad: your money, we can paint an S
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Julian Hoad: wherever you like'
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Julian Hoad: 'Really? So what about on the
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Julian Hoad: back?'
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Julian Hoad: 'Yeah.' 'I want it on the sides,
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Julian Hoad: as well, could you possibly
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Julian Hoad: paint a big S on the sides? And
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Julian Hoad: the roof?'
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Julian Hoad: 'Yeah, it's your money, we can
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Julian Hoad: put an S... What? Why do you
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Julian Hoad: want S's all over it?'
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Julian Hoad: 'Well, because when I drive out
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Julian Hoad: with my new Ferrari, I want
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Julian Hoad: everyone to look at it and say,
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Julian Hoad: 'Wow, look at that ess-car-go.''
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Julian Hoad: (escargot)
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Stephen Divers: You know, this
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Stephen Divers: just reminded me of a client I
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Stephen Divers: saw with snails.
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Stephen Divers: I had a client come in, this
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Stephen Divers: wasn't at Elands, this was at
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Stephen Divers: the exotic animal Centre in
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Stephen Divers: Essex,
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Stephen Divers: I had a client comes in. And you
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Stephen Divers: know, with a Tupperware and I
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Stephen Divers: swear to God, this is true.
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Stephen Divers: She comes in with a Tupperware
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Stephen Divers: container. And I lift the lid
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Stephen Divers: off, and there's a limp leaf of
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Stephen Divers: lettuce. And there's a snail in
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Stephen Divers: there.
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Stephen Divers: And this woman proceeds to tell
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Stephen Divers: me that there's something wrong
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Stephen Divers: with her snail. And I mean, my
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Stephen Divers: level of snail medicine doesn't
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Stephen Divers: go beyond, you know, is it alive
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Stephen Divers: or dead?
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Stephen Divers: I mean, it was just, I was
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Stephen Divers: pretty basic. But she was
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Stephen Divers: concerned because she said the
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Stephen Divers: snail was lethargic and had a
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Stephen Divers: tendency to only move to the
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Stephen Divers: left.
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Stephen Divers: And so I'm there in the exam
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Stephen Divers: room. And I'm trying to kind of
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Stephen Divers: push this process through
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Stephen Divers: because I couldn't really I
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Stephen Divers: said, and I and
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Stephen Divers: I made the mistake because I
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Stephen Divers: thought, silly of me. I thought
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Stephen Divers: this was one snail of a colony.
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Stephen Divers: Most people don't have just one
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Stephen Divers: invertebrate usually, there's
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Stephen Divers: usually a number of them.
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Stephen Divers: So I made the mistake of
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Stephen Divers: recommending an elective
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Stephen Divers: necropsy to find out what was
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Stephen Divers: wrong. And this owner just got
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Stephen Divers: very upset with me and was very
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Stephen Divers: concerned.
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Stephen Divers: And then she tried to tell me
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Stephen Divers: that this animal was lethargic
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Stephen Divers: and always goes to the left. And
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Stephen Divers: I said, Well, it wasn't moving,
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Stephen Divers: obviously and we sat there,
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Stephen Divers: she made me sit there for 10
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Stephen Divers: minutes and while she is
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Stephen Divers: reciting, and then giving verbal
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Stephen Divers: encouragement for this snail to
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Stephen Divers: move,
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Stephen Divers: and we're both staring at it
59:18
Stephen Divers: about six minutes later she
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Stephen Divers: suddenly shouts there it is,
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Stephen Divers: he's moving. He's moving.
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Stephen Divers: I couldn't perceive anything but
59:23
Stephen Divers: that just came back to me, that
59:26
Stephen Divers: that was a repressed memory that
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Stephen Divers: I've managed to bury for
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Stephen Divers: probably 18-20 years
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Stephen Divers: but you coming up that story
59:32
Stephen Divers: just kind of pulled it back to
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Stephen Divers: the front so
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Julian Hoad: Cured you, I've
59:35
Julian Hoad: cured you
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Stephen Divers: Not sure if it's
59:37
Stephen Divers: a cure, but anyway, yeah,
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Mike Brampton: That's just
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Mike Brampton: fantastic.
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Julian Hoad: Brilliant, snails
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Stephen Divers: I just I mean,
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Stephen Divers: I was lost for words.
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Stephen Divers: I mean, I'm not usually lost for
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Stephen Divers: words, but I'm like, you know,
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Stephen Divers: when she eventually went. I said
59:56
Stephen Divers: to the reception staff,
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Stephen Divers: I said 'You've got to give me a
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Stephen Divers: heads up when these things are
1:00:03
Stephen Divers: coming in,' I mean, if it's, you
1:00:03
Stephen Divers: know, anything outside of the, I
1:00:08
Stephen Divers: mean,
1:00:09
Stephen Divers: we're talking about exotic pets,
1:00:09
Stephen Divers: so everything is kind of outside
1:00:11
Stephen Divers: the ordinary, but I said
1:00:11
Stephen Divers: anything that's just like, way
1:00:15
Stephen Divers: outside of left base or
1:00:15
Stephen Divers: something
1:00:17
Stephen Divers: You need to give me a heads up.
1:00:17
Stephen Divers: But anyway, that was a
1:00:28
Mike Brampton: that's brilliant.
1:00:30
Julian Hoad: Hey, Steve. Thanks,
1:00:30
Julian Hoad: a million.
1:00:32
Julian Hoad: You're gonna go home and play
1:00:32
Julian Hoad: lego with your son now?
1:00:34
Stephen Divers: I'm gonna go
1:00:34
Stephen Divers: Yeah, well, I've actually got
1:00:35
consolts,. It's 5: 30 in the US
1:00:35
consolts,. It's 5: now. So I've still got work to
1:00:38
consolts,. It's 5: do.
1:00:39
consolts,. It's 5: But anyway, it was a pleasure to
1:00:39
consolts,. It's 5: see you guys again.
1:00:41
consolts,. It's 5: Hopefully, I'll meet you again
1:00:41
consolts,. It's 5: at some conference in the
1:00:43
consolts,. It's 5: future. And stay healthy.
1:00:45
consolts,. It's 5: Don't go and contract COVID or
1:00:45
consolts,. It's 5: do anything stupid. And I'll see
1:00:49
consolts,. It's 5: you soon.
1:00:52
Julian Hoad: May your dog go
1:00:52
Julian Hoad: with you Steve.
1:00:53
Mike Brampton: May your dog go
1:00:53
Mike Brampton: with you Steve Thank you very
1:00:55
Mike Brampton: much, indeed.
1:00:57
Mike Brampton: Thank you.
1:00:57
Stephen Divers: Bye. Bye.
1:00:58
Mike Brampton: Good night
1:00:58
Julian Hoad: Cheers bye bye
1:01:01
Mike Brampton: See you Mate,
1:01:01
Mike Brampton: Take care. Cheers.
1:01:02
Julian Hoad: Thanks so much for
1:01:02
Julian Hoad: coming on.
1:01:06
Julian Hoad: Oh, that was awesome. That was
1:01:06
Julian Hoad: absolutely fantastic.
1:01:09
Mike Brampton: Steve was
1:01:09
Mike Brampton: absolutely brilliant. HE was
1:01:10
Mike Brampton: exactly what I thought he would
1:01:10
Mike Brampton: be. And more.
1:01:17
Julian Hoad: He is brilliant. He
1:01:17
Julian Hoad: has developed a bit of an
1:01:23
Julian Hoad: American twang, hasn't he?
1:01:26
Mike Brampton: No, that's more
1:01:26
Mike Brampton: like it's more Australian than
1:01:31
Mike Brampton: American.
1:01:36
Julian Hoad: Actually, your
1:01:36
Julian Hoad: right yeah, it is isn't it?
1:01:37
Julian Hoad: Yeah.
1:01:38
Julian Hoad: More sort of. Very slow. Yes.
1:01:42
Mike Brampton: Yeah, absolutely.
1:01:42
Mike Brampton: Mate.
1:01:43
Julian Hoad: But he is still the
1:01:43
Julian Hoad: same old Steve and it brought me
1:01:47
Julian Hoad: back to 20 odd years ago at
1:01:47
Julian Hoad: Ellands, brilliant fun.
1:01:53
Mike Brampton: That photograph
1:01:53
Mike Brampton: was brilliant
1:01:55
Julian Hoad: It was wasn't it?
1:01:57
Mike Brampton: Yeah.