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Emanuel Swedenborg: Between Two Worlds · Journey to the Fringe

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
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us on a Journey to the Fringe. And I feel like
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any documentary after that on the making of the
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last one would just keep adding to that. There
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would be an endless cycles of Journey 2, which
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I think at some point we might have to do. But
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at this point, I'm not that ambitious. We are
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your Strictly podcast host for now, Taylor and
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Chelsea. And tonight. We are stepping into the
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life of a man who lived in two worlds at once.
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The man we're going to be looking at today is
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Emanuel Swedenberg. I've never heard of him,
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I don't think. No, you haven't. He's kind of
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a forerunner of a few things that we talk about,
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but I kind of want to leave that as a surprise
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as we go. Without much more, just get right into
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this. Because Emanuel Swedenberg refused to stay
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in one lane. He was an inventor who sketched
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flying machines long before airplanes, a scientist
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who mapped the human body in ways that anticipated
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modern neuroscience, and a mystic who claimed
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he could walk freely between heaven and hell.
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His story is one of visions, revelations, and
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ideas that unsettled both church and state. Now,
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Emanuel Swedenberg was born in Stockholm, Sweden
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on January 29th, 1688. He was the son of Jesper
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Svedberg, a pastor in Sweden's Lutheran State
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Church. At 11, Emanuel entered the University
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of Uppsala. When his father left to become Bishop
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of Skara, Emanuel remained, completing his studies
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in 1709. At this point, it's Svedberg. Okay.
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It does change, which is a little confusing.
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It's funny that he's in Sweden and his name sounds
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like Sweden. I know. In fact, I think his last
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name means Swedenborn. I don't know for sure.
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I didn't look it up, but I think that's what
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he ends up getting as a last name. Okay. Okay.
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Strange. It's easy to remember. Yeah. And I find
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it very interesting. He was able to start university
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at 11. I don't know what the curriculum was like
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back in the day. Maybe that was normal. I missed
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that one. His dad was a professor there, so maybe
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that's how nepotism works. I would be more expecting
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an 11 year old to be at university if his dad
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taught there. Yeah, interesting it doesn't come
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up all that often anymore. No. Now, like many
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wealthy young Swedes, he embarked on a grand
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tour of Europe after this. In England, he studied
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astronomy under John Flamsteed, the royal astronomer,
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and moved in the same circles as Isaac Newton
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and Edmund Halley. He dabbled in geology, botany,
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zoology, and mechanics, later continuing his
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studies in Amsterdam and Paris. After more than
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five years abroad, he returned to Sweden and
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became assistant to inventor Christopher Polum.
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This connection brought him to the attention
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of King Charles XII, who appointed him to the
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prestigious Board of Mines. When Charles XII
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died in 1718, his sister, Alrica Eleonora, ennobled
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the Swedenberg family, giving them the name by
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which Emmanuel is remembered today, Swedenberg.
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Because he got a favor he was liked by the king,
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his sister ended up giving them a new title,
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a new last name. I mean, they just added an M.
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More or less. That would be so weird these days
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if, like, I don't know, Prime Minister of Canada
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calls you up and he's like, hey, I think you're
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doing a good job, you're getting a new last name.
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Yeah, we're just gonna add like a few extra letters.
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We're gonna add Canada to the start of your name
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or something like that. I don't know that I would
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like that. It would be weird. I think I'd be
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like, no, thank you. It's a different culture.
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I like my country and all, but... I have my signature
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down. I don't want to have to introduce myself
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with extra... That's three extra syllables. I
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don't know that I need it as a part of my name.
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Could it be silent, perhaps? Yeah. I'm sure it
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could actually, knowing how English works. In
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these early years, Emanuel Swedenberg poured
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his energy into science and invention. He launched
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a journal, Da Dallas Hyperboreus, meant to showcase
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Polen's work, the inventor he was working under,
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but also filled it with his own ideas, including
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a design for a flying machine. Yes. The inventor
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that he was working with, his name was Polen?
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Polen. Like P -O -L -H -E -M. I was like, what
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the hell's up with this episode? Nobody was named
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but countries back in the day. At least the people
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who survived. They went on to found countries.
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Just needed to clarify that quick. Included in
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the journal was his design for a flying machine,
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which is in the early 1700s. Oh, I love that.
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I think it's a beautiful Chelsea. I'm just going
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to share my screen because there's actually a
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picture of his flying machine that he has sketched.
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And if I can find where I need to be. Oh, I love
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how un -aerodynamic these flying machines used
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to be. Yeah. They're pretty clunky. Oh, wow.
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What is that? Is that a blimp? I'm not quite
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sure how to take it. Like I think it's one wing
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and you're like floating underneath it. Oh. But
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it also kind of looks like a blimp from the side.
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It does look like a blimp. So I'm not quite sure
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which angle we're looking at it. And it's really
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small writing and it's Swedish writing even if
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we could read it. So I'm not quite sure how to
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take it. Anyhow, this flying machine actually
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has its own entire Wikipedia entry. Oh, okay.
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So he drafted this up in the early 1700s and
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there's a conversation between him and Pohlheim
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where Swedenberg admits that this contraption
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that he invented wouldn't fly, but he saw it
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perhaps as a first step. He specifically wrote
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apparently on this page. It seems easier to talk
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of such a machine than to put it into actuality.
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Perhaps in time to come, someone might know how
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to better utilize our sketch. Although when the
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first trials are made, You may have to pay for
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the experience and not mind an arm and a leg.
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He also did basically say like this wouldn't
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work with just like human power. Like you'd need
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something else far before engines had been invented.
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What does he mean by human power? Like we wouldn't
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be strong enough to make it fly. Okay, well then
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what's he looking for? Something that would give
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it power. I don't know. More than humans. Yes.
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Horses, perhaps. Like, is he a god -man? Or,
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like, he quits looking? Oh, he's definitely a
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god -man, but he's more - he didn't want to pray
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it into the sky. I think he just thought, like,
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somebody might invent something stronger than
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a human at some point that could power it. Okay.
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But I'm speculating here, unfortunately. Like,
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I was thinking, like, is he thinking extraterrestrials
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will come down and strike it with lightning?
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And then it's, I don't know. I don't know. No,
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this is well before extraterrestrials. This is
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God times. The 1600s. Okay. In 1734, Swedenborg
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published what's called the Opera Philosophica
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et Mineralia. It's Latin. It's about minerals
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because he's on the board of mining. Sometimes
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he's doing interesting stuff, but a lot of his
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mid -years where he's super successful is about
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mining. So kind of a dull guy at this point.
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Yeah, that does sound dull. And he publishes
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this book. The second and third ones are called
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On Iron and On Copper, and they earn the attention
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for their technical detail throughout Europe.
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But it was his first volume, Principa Reurum
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Naturalium, Basic Principles of Nature, that
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laid the philosophical groundwork for his later
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explorations of the soul. Oh, the soul. He followed
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this with anatomical studies, including Dynamics
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of the Soul's Domain, there's a Latin version
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out of it, I'm not going to attempt it, which
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examined the heart, blood, brain, and nervous
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system. And here Swedenberg began to bridge science
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and spirituality, describing a subtle spiritual
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fluid that sustained all living things, an energy
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he believed that flowed directly from God. But
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his scientific work was soon interrupted by something
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far stranger. He has a spiritual crisis. So beginning
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in 1743, which would make him about 55 I believe,
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late midlife crisis but nonetheless he's here,
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Swedenberg's nights were filled with vivid dreams
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and visions. He recorded them in his diary, often
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interpreting them as divine warnings or calls
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to purify himself. By April 1745, His vision
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spilled into waking life. Swedenborg claimed
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he could now see and converse with beings from
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the spiritual world. And in 1747, he resigned
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from the Board of Minds, turning down a promotion
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so he could devote himself entirely to theology.
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His first major theological work after this is
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Arcana Coelestia, Secrets of Heaven, and it's
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appeared in 1749, published in London to avoid
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Sweden's strict heresy laws, and it's stretched
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across eight volumes by 1756. In it, Swedenberg
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argued that the Bible could not be read literally.
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Instead, every verse contained a hidden spiritual
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meaning, a correspondence between the physical
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and the spiritual world. Alongside this, alongside
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his commentary, he described the structure of
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heaven and hell, the lives of angels and demons,
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and the intimate connection between body, soul,
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faith, and cherry. In 1758, he returned to London
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with five new works, Heaven and Hell, White Horse,
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other planets, Last Judgment, and New Jerusalem.
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Here, he made one of the boldest claims that
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the Last Judgment had already happened, not on
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Earth but in the spiritual realm in 1757. He
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said he had witnessed it himself and that it
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marked the dawn of a new spiritual age for humanity.
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In 1759, Swedenborg's reputation as a mystic
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was about to explode. That summer, while attending
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a dinner party in Gothenburg, he suddenly grew
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pale and agitated. He announced that a fire was
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raging in Stockholm, over 250 miles away, and
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that it was threatening his home. Hours later,
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he calmly reported that the fire had been extinguished
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just three doors down. Two days later, messengers
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arrived from Stockholm every detail matched Swedenberg's
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account. In 1760, the widow of the French ambassador
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to Sweden faced a troubling bill for an expensive
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silver service. She was certain her husband had
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paid, but the receipt was missing. After consulting
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Swedenborg, she dreamed of her husband revealing
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the receipt's location, and the next day, she
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found exactly where the dream had shown. In 1761,
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Queen Luisa Elrica herself put Swedenberg to
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the test. She asked him to relay a private question
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to her deceased brother, Prince Augustus Wilhelm
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of Prussia. Three weeks later, Swedenberg returned
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with an answer so precise that the Queen reportedly
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gasped, quote, only my brother could have known
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this, end quote. These incidents, widely reported
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and discussed, made Swedenberg a sensation across
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Europe and for the first time he openly acknowledged
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authorship of his theological work. But perhaps
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the strangest part of Swedenborg's legacy is
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this, Chelsea. In the 18th century, the idea
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that other planets might be inhabited wasn't
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as strange as it sounds today. Philosophers like
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Fontenelle and even Kant speculated about a plurality
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of worlds, a universe that was teeming with life.
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But while most thinkers treat it as a theory,
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Swedenborg went further. In his 1758 book, Earths
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in the universe, he claimed not only that other
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planets were inhabited, but that he had actually
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met and spoken with their inhabitants through
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his spiritual journeys. Each planetary society,
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he said, reflected different aspects of divine
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order. This was more than speculation. It was
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a bold theological claim. Swedenborg suggested
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that God's creation was far too vast to be limited
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to Earth alone and the spiritual destiny of humanity
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was shared across the cosmos. This is centuries
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before UFO - sightings or science fiction Swedenberg
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was already describing encounters with beings
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from other worlds it is more than speculation
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but it is speculation at this point not really
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speculation because he's saying in his dreams
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he's talking to people from other planets specifically
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in the solar system it's still speculation well
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it's not speculation if you're saying i have
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talked to a person from venus in my dreams You're
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forgetting that part. That's not speculating
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though, that's grounding it where you've got
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this information from. It would be different
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if he's saying that I think there's people on
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Venus because... Um, I spoke to them in my dreams.
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He's like, no, I'm speaking to people on Venus.
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Regularly. In my dreams. In my dreams. Yeah.
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I mean, that's not really grounded in reality
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though. I could say a lot of things happen in
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my dreams and my dreams are crazy. Oh no, I'm
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not saying it's grounded in reality. I'm saying
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it's not speculation. Well, the speculation is
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that there's life on another planet. Other people
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are speculating. He's saying it's true. Okay.
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I'm not seeing why it's not speculation, but
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okay. I guess we're splitting hairs. I'm saying
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there's no uncertainty in how he's saying it
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because it has happened to him. He is sure of
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it, whereas speculation is kind of like, I think
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this. Which is what the other philosophers of
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the day are doing. I would go out on a limb to
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say that he is thinking that he thinks that.
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I don't think we necessarily need to have a semantics
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argument, I guess. The reason I decided to cover
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Emanuel Swedenberg, a guy that neither of us
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had heard until very recently for both of us,
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for you right about now, is because he is considered
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the first person to have interacted with other
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entities on other planets. In his dreams. How
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else, Chelsea? And this is something you see
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today still, is people saying like I'm interacting
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with these people from the Pleiades, from Sirius
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B, things like that. Do you know how much stuff
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I've done? and talked within my dreams. I don't
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know. And I don't know for me either, because
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I don't remember many of my dreams. I remember
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a lot of my dreams and it is all pretty much
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nonsense. But I'm out there doing it. Yeah. And
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this is the first point we can draw everyone
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back who is claimed to have spoken with people
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from other planets to this. This is the first
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time it ever happens. I mean, that is a long
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time ago. I'll give them that. Not everyone saw
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Emanuel Swedenberg as a prophet or visionary
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to many of contemporaries and plenty of scholar
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sins, he was something else entirely. Some accuse
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him of madness, suggesting his visions were hallucinations
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brought on by illness or stress. Others dismiss
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his elaborate theology of correspondences. as
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arbitrary, even incoherent, grand system built
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on imagination rather than revelation. The famous
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stories of his seership, the Stockholm Fire,
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the widow's missing receipt, the queen's private
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question, were retold across Europe, but skeptics
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argue they could be explained by coincidence,
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rumor, or exaggeration. Even within Sweden, his
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writings were controversial, enough to be banned,
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in fact, and his followers were charged with
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heresy. And while writers like William Blake
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and Ralph Waldo Emerson admired him, others found
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his books unreadable, verbose, and rep— and filled
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with claims too extravagant to be taken seriously.
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Well I'm personally surprised that he wasn't
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tried as a witch. Too rich! Too rich. Okay, fair
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enough. It's not Germany, where apparently the
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rich could be taken for it. What I do find strange
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about it is where would the inspiration for this
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come from? Like, it doesn't seem anything in
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his background other than religion, maybe? His
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dad was a pastor, like the religion's in him
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from deep, and I do just think it might be maybe
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a midlife crisis mixed with some weird dreams.
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Remember, these are back in the days where religion
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was a lot more literal and everywhere, so If
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you did get a dream, God was sending you those
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dreams. You can put more stock in his dreams
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than I was putting because where else would he
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have heard something like this? But I don't know
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what they're doing in this time. There are theories
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out there at this time that basically every planet,
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every star, everything has life on it. The universe
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is teeming with life. Yeah. So it's not unheard
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of to think of there being habitants of other
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planets. It's just he's the first to say he met
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them and talked to them. OK, I like them. So
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in the years that followed, Swedenberg published
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some of his most influential writings, Divine
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Love. wisdom, divine providence, revelations
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unveiled, and marriage and love, the final of
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those being in 1768. Divine love and wisdom explored
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the very nature of God, arguing that God's essence
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is both love and wisdom, the source of all life.
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Divine providence tackled free will, evil, and
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the hidden spiritual laws that govern existence.
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Revelation, unveiled, returned to his method
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of uncovering the Bible's inner meanings, this
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time focusing on the book of Revelation. Here
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Swedenberg introduced what he called memorabilia,
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vivid accounts of a encounters with angels, demons,
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and spirits. And then there was A Marriage of
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Love. Despite its title, it was not just about
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earthly marriage. Swedenberg described true married
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love as the highest spiritual bond, one that
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continued beyond death. In heaven, he wrote,
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a man and woman who are truly compatible will
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recognize each other instantly and unite as one
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spirit. For Swedenberg, who was never married,
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this teaching may have carried personal weight.
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All of Swedenberg's theological books were written
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in Latin and published outside of Sweden. most
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often in London or Amsterdam. This was deliberately
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strategized to avoid Sweden's strict censorship
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laws, which forbade publishing anything that
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contradicted the teachings of the Lutheran state
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church. But in 1769, two of his followers were
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charged with heresy after promoting his ideas
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in Swedish. During the trial, Swedenberg's work
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was scrutinized. In 1770, the verdict came. His
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books contained doctrinal errors but were not
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outright heretical. Still, they were banned in
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Sweden and his followers lost their teaching
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posts. Partly in response, Swedenborg began his
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final great work, True Christianity, in 1771.
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It was both a defense and manifesto, laying out
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his vision for a quote, new church, end quote.
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Not a sect, but a new spiritual age in which
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humanity would grasp divine truth more directly.
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True Christianity would be Swedenborg's last
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book. The main text was printed in Amsterdam,
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but he traveled to London to prepare a supplement.
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It was never published in his lifetime. In December
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of 1771, he suffered a stroke. Though he partially
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recovered, he seemed to know the end was near.
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In February, when a friend suggested meeting
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in six months, Swedenborg replied, quote, that
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will be impossible, for I shall die on the 29th
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day of the next month. And? True to his word,
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Emanuel Swedenberg died on March 29th, 1772 at
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the age of 84. Geez. The U .S. wasn't even a
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country at that point. Do we talk about what
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he was talking in his dreams to these people
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about? I'm trying to keep it an overview of everything.
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I'm not going too specific into that. You know,
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the other night I had a dream that Jupiter was
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falling out of the sky and the world went into
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chaos. I just want to put it out here for the
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listeners. Okay. Being as the topic. of this
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episode. Just a non sequitur, of course. Editor's
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note here from Taylor I've realized that it's
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probably important to actually have quotes of
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what Swedenberg said about other planets and
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their inhabitants So I decided to add a few in
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the editing process So without further ado Swedenberg
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wrote about many of the planets and their inhabitants
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of Mercury He wrote the spirits of Mercury are
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very intelligent They care little for material
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things but are eager to learn about spiritual
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and natural matters They said that on their earth
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they do not speak much but transmit ideas by
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a kind of thought speech. They mocked Earth's
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reliance on books. They made jokes about pieces
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of paper on Earth, knowing things that the people
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there do not know. Of the people of Venus, Swedenborg
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wrote of two kinds of inhabitants. One is savage,
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more than the rest of the inhabitants of the
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other Earths. The other kind is gentle and humane.
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The savage group lived in forests and preyed
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on others, while the gentle group lived separately
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and were devoted to worship. Of the inhabitants
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of Mars, he wrote, these are the best of all
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in the solar system for they are in greater obedience
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to the Lord than the rest. They acknowledge and
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adore him and rejoice to be instructed by angels.
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Of Jupiter, he writes, the spirits of Jupiter
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are of a mild and gentle disposition. They detest
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hatred and in their world they live in mutual
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love. They said that they do not allow anyone
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to speak of God except in human form for they
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know that the Lord alone is the God of heaven
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and earth. They also were described as living
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simple lives and avoiding luxury and focusing
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on spirituality. Of the inhabitants of Saturn,
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he writes, He also claimed they were deeply contemplative
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and spiritually oriented. He also wrote about
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meeting beings from beyond our solar system.
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He states that there are innumerable Earths in
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the starry heaven, each inhabited by human beings.
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The end of creation is the human race from which
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heaven is formed. Swedenborg has a huge legacy
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and influence that moves forward from 1772. Swedenborg's
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writings didn't end with his death. In fact,
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they sparked a movement that rippled through
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art, literature, and philosophy for centuries.
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Like I said earlier, the poet and artist William
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Blake read Swedenberg early in his career. Though
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he later criticized him in The Marriage of Heaven
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and Hell, Blake still called Swedenberg a divine
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teacher and wove his ideas of heaven and hell
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and correspondence into his own visionary art.
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In America, Ralph Waldo Emerson and the Transcendentalists
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drew inspiration from Swedenberg's sense of nature
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as a living symbol of the divine. Emerson praised
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him as a, quote, colossal soul whose writings
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open a new way of seeing the spiritual in the
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everyday. Helen Keller was another surprising
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admirer. She credited Swedenberg's writings with
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shaping her understanding of the afterlife and
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giving her some comfort and clarity about the
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spiritual world. Even the legendary folk figures
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like Johnny Appleseed, John Chapman, was a devoted
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Swedenbergian. Was Johnny Appleseed a real person?
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Oh yeah, he was. He was? Although everything
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he planted was cider apples, not actually eating
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apples. He carried Swedenberg's books across
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the frontier and shared them with his settlers.
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Writers as diverse as Honoré de Balzac, Jorge
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Luis Borges, and Robert Frost all engaged with
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his ideas finding in Swedenberg a bridge between
21:44
imagination and eternity. So while Swedenberg
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may have been dismissed by some as a dreamer,
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his influence has been anything but fleeting.
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His vision seeded the imagination of poets, philosophers,
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reformers, and mystics. proof that his strange
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journey between two worlds continues to inspire.
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Swedenberg's influence didn't stop with poets
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and philosophers though. In the 19th century,
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his visions were rediscovered by a very different
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audience. The occultists and spiritualists of
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the Victorian era. For these seekers, Swedenberg
22:12
was more than a theologian. He was a proto -occultist,
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a man who had mapped the invisible worlds long
22:19
before seances and spirit circles became fashionable.
22:22
His doctrine of correspondence, the idea that
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every physical thing mirrors a deeper spiritual
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reality, became a cornerstone for mystics who
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wanted to read the universe as a vast symbolic
22:33
text. The Theosophical Society, founded in 1875
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by Helena Blavatsky, HPB, drew heavily on this
22:41
idea. Blavatsky herself called Swedenborg, quote,
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the greatest among the modern seers, end quote.
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And his descriptions of layered heavens and cosmic
22:50
laws resonated with her visions of a universe
22:53
governed by hidden spiritual hierarchies. Aleister
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Crowley, though rarely citing him directly, inherited
22:59
much of the same esoteric soil. Swedenberg's
23:02
layered heavens and existence on personal spiritual
23:05
experience echo in Crowley's ceremonial magic
23:08
with a K. Meanwhile, the Fox sisters whose spirit
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wrappings in 1848 ignited the spiritual movement
23:14
were often compared to Swedenberg as the man
23:16
who had already mapped the afterlife they claimed
23:18
to contact, and Daniel Dunglass -Holme, Korean
23:21
medium, famed for levitations and seances before
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royalty, was Cassus Swedenberg's showman, Heir,
23:26
bringing to life in drawing rooms what Swedenberg
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had described in books. At the same time, the
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emerging new thought movement, with its emphasis
23:42
on the power of mind, positive thinking in the
23:44
unity of spirit and matter, found in Swedenborg
23:46
a kindred spirit. His insistence that divine
23:49
energy permeates all life and that thought itself
23:52
shapes reality became a kind of blueprint for
23:55
metaphysical healing and self -transformation.
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By the late 19th century, Swedenborg's books
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were circulating not just in churches but in
24:02
occult libraries, seance parlors, and esoteric
24:05
study groups. To these readers, he wasn't a relic
24:08
of the He was a toolmaker, someone who had left,
24:12
someone who had left behind a set of maps and
24:14
symbols that could guide mystics, mediums, and
24:17
visionaries into the unseen. In this way, Swedenborg
24:20
became a bridge, a scientist mystic, of the 18th
24:24
century whose writings fueled occult revival
24:26
of the 19th century and whose ideas still echo
24:29
in spiritual subcultures today. By the end of
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his life, Emanuel Swedenborg had written volumes
24:34
on science, theology, and the afterlife. He was
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praised as a visionary and dismissed as a madman.
24:39
But perhaps the most startling part of his legacy
24:42
is this. Centuries before UFO sightings or modern
24:45
science fiction, Swedenberg claimed to have met
24:47
beings from other planets in our own solar system.
24:50
To him, the universe was alive with countless
24:52
worlds, each inhabited each part of a vast spiritual
24:55
order. So was he a prophet of cosmic truth or
24:58
a dreamer lost in his own imagination? That's
25:01
for us to decide. What's certain is that Swedenberg's
25:04
visions of heaven, hell, and even life beyond
25:07
earth still challenge us to wonder how thin the
25:10
boundary really is between the known and the
25:12
unknown. So he's an interesting guy that neither
25:16
of us have heard of, but he's inspired pretty
25:18
much everyone. We've done an episode. Well, not
25:20
everyone. We've done more than four episodes,
25:23
guys. Yeah. The occult side. That's super interesting.
25:26
I can't believe how far back that goes. I just
25:29
I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind exactly
25:32
what the hell just happened and why he inspired
25:36
so many people because basically he dreamed it
25:38
and by that logic I'm a seer. I'm an important
25:42
seer the way that I dream. The important part
25:44
of seeing is telling and he told about his seeing.
25:48
see and i only got one idea out on this episode
25:51
but i promise you guys i'll be sharing more oh
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good i think that's what everyone's thinking
25:58
okay it's so interesting actually i don't think
26:01
he's an asshole he might be but i don't know
26:04
if our modern -day concept of assholes within
26:09
our reviews can really dissect people from this
26:12
era. I just don't think we can. No, I don't think
26:14
so. We don't have enough information. The witch
26:15
people, the people who hunted the witches did
26:17
that and they just burned them. Yeah, they did
26:20
so without fully knowing whether or not they're
26:22
an asshole. I think the witch burners were the
26:25
assholes, to be honest with you, because they
26:27
didn't fully find out if they were assholes or
26:30
not. I really hope that's not the twist we're
26:32
leading up to with Journey to the Fringe. Me
26:35
too. I guess we'll find out in our dreams. Well,
26:39
I will. You won't, because you don't remember
26:41
your dreams. Unless you tell them. But if you
26:43
dream that, just don't tell them, okay, please?
26:44
I guess I won't tell them, but... Okay. Who's
26:47
to say? I might share freely. Just like that
26:50
last one, maybe I shouldn't have told you that
26:52
Jupiter falls out of the sky. Maybe it was better
26:54
you didn't know. And with that, I have been Taylor,
26:57
here with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe.
26:59
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