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Finding Chase Massner Episode 5: The frustrated wife · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: This is a special episode of Crime Stories with Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Grace Finding Chase Masner Episode five. This week marks three
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  Speaker 1: years since her son, Chase Massner vanished in Cobb County.
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  Speaker 1: Living the last three years with the not knowing and
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  Speaker 1: without him, here is pure hell. Chase Massner isn't a
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  Speaker 1: Rock War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife told
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  Speaker 1: us she dropped him off at a quick trip in
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  Speaker 1: Cobb County, where he works. His family says he was
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  Speaker 1: last seen at a friend's house in Kennesaw three years
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  Speaker 1: ago on March and it's like he vanished from that home,
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  Speaker 1: not to be seen or heard from again. If he
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  Speaker 1: was able to reach out to any one of us,
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  Speaker 1: he would be would. Despite some intense searching, few clues
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  Speaker 1: have been found. She tells me that as a mother,
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  Speaker 1: in her heart she feels her son Chase is dead.
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  Speaker 1: We have absolutely no answer so well, not even the
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  Speaker 1: slightest clue in three years. Imagine every night putting your
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  Speaker 1: head to your pillow and wondering where is your son
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  Speaker 1: or where is your daughter, and having dreams where the
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  Speaker 1: answer is just beyond your reach, And the day's pass,
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  Speaker 1: and the weeks pass, and the months pass and still,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have your son back, You don't have your
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  Speaker 1: daughter back. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, and
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  Speaker 1: this is episode five of Finding Chase Masner. As part
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  Speaker 1: of our investigation, we obtained recorded messages from the one
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  Speaker 1: person we haven't heard from, and that is Chase's wife, Amanda.
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  Speaker 1: We have repeatedly reached out to her to ask her
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  Speaker 1: to join us to help us find Chase Masner. So far,
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  Speaker 1: no good. Simply say thank you for being our podcast
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  Speaker 1: partner to day and making our search for Chase Masner possible,
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  Speaker 1: simply safe. I'm so proud they're a partner. You know why.
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  Speaker 1: Please take my DVD player, Take my two hundred plus
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  Speaker 1: DVDs I've saved over the years since the twins are board.
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  Speaker 1: You can have all the Barneys, you can have all
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  Speaker 1: the Disney princess take it. I insist you know what,
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  Speaker 1: while you're at it, take my TV. You know you
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  Speaker 1: can get him at Best Buy for a couple hundred bucks.
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  Speaker 1: And my furniture that I still have from law school.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be mad if you didn't. But don't break in
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  Speaker 1: while my children are here. Don't simply say thank you
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  Speaker 1: four a month. Go to simply safe dot com slash
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  Speaker 1: Nancy for another ten percent off simply Safe. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being our sponsor. This is episode five Finding Chase Masner,
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  Speaker 1: and again we've obtained a recorded conversation um legally recorded
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  Speaker 1: on my ad of Amanda Chase, his wife, around the
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  Speaker 1: time he goes missing. The first four episodes of Finding
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  Speaker 1: Chase Masner have introduced you to Stephanie Kadina, Chase's mother,
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  Speaker 1: and Brad Clement, the friend who was the last known
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  Speaker 1: person to see Chase before he vanished from Brad's Kennesaw,
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  Speaker 1: Georgia home three years ago. The person you've not heard
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  Speaker 1: from yet is Amanda Masner. That's Chase's wife. That's unfortunate since,
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  Speaker 1: as you've heard, Brad said some pretty bad things about
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  Speaker 1: Amanda when he was confronted by Nancy Grace in episodes
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  Speaker 1: three and four. But Nancy made it clear that you
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  Speaker 1: were only hearing Brad's alibi, an unconfirmed account by a
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  Speaker 1: man defending himself from suspicion. We still hold out hope
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  Speaker 1: that Amanda will talk to us directly, but until then
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  Speaker 1: we can let you hear what Amanda said in the
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  Speaker 1: first weeks after her husband went missing. Crime Stories has
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  Speaker 1: obtained phone recordings made by people not connected to law enforcement,
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  Speaker 1: but who were trying to piece this puzzle together. While
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  Speaker 1: we don't believe Amanda knew she was being recorded, one
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  Speaker 1: party knowledge is legal when taping a phone call in Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: and we're only using these recordings since it's all we
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  Speaker 1: have from Amanda at this time, and it's important for
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  Speaker 1: you to hear the frustration in her voice and Amanda's
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  Speaker 1: cry for answers. What she says and how she says
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  Speaker 1: it may directly counter what you've already heard from Brad Clement.
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  Speaker 1: This first phone call was taped by a man who
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  Speaker 1: is now serving a five year sentence in a Georgia
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  Speaker 1: prison for impersonating a police officer while investigating other missing
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  Speaker 1: persons cases. His real name is Paul Liebree, but he's
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  Speaker 1: known to Amanda as Tim Paul or Tim befriended Amanda
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  Speaker 1: soon after Chase's story was posted on missing persons pages
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  Speaker 1: on social media. He joined a team of volunteers to
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  Speaker 1: search for clues in the absence of what they believe
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  Speaker 1: was a less than enthusiastic police investigation by the way
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  Speaker 1: Cobb County investigators have these recordings. We've heavily edited this
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  Speaker 1: call to remove irrelevant sections. We start with Amanda talking
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  Speaker 1: about Brad whose house Chase slept in the last night.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why the only thing I keep saying is Okay,
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  Speaker 1: get in front of a lot of pictures, take picture,
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  Speaker 1: prove it to me. And I think that's the point.
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  Speaker 1: That's the point we're at because everybody's lying. Everybody's got
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  Speaker 1: four stories, at least three. I just like I can't
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  Speaker 1: keep up on it, and I can't believe anybody. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like, when he was at my house, why would
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  Speaker 1: he bring up the fact that like she just was
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  Speaker 1: bringing up teams like, um, I'm trying to quote of exactly,
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  Speaker 1: but he was just like going on and on and
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  Speaker 1: he was like, and if somebody a need in my house,
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  Speaker 1: I know how to handle it. I wouldn't freak out
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  Speaker 1: and let him died to have to give them CPR.
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  Speaker 1: I know this boy, and he he has had an
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  Speaker 1: exact same quote to me, and I'm just like, why
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  Speaker 1: why would you even he even bring that up? Yeah, Like,
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  Speaker 1: why would you bring that up? Do you even want
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  Speaker 1: to put that in my head? We don't set to
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  Speaker 1: his life, you know, like, why would you go there?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't need to see that. And I just feel
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  Speaker 1: like there's so many people that are hiding. Well there
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  Speaker 1: is and and and all the little details wind up
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  Speaker 1: being big issues because the little details are hurting us.
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  Speaker 1: As far as eliminating people, I mean, I can't eliminate Brad.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. The reason I can is because of that
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  Speaker 1: roof for problem right there. I can't eliminate him because
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  Speaker 1: as much as I want to believe Brad and I
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  Speaker 1: really do, that whole thing about the roofer, saying they've
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  Speaker 1: seen him leave keeps him in the loop. He's obviously
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  Speaker 1: something about what happened when he lives. Want everybody to
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  Speaker 1: hit in the same room, Like I want to invite
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  Speaker 1: every single person in this case over to my house
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  Speaker 1: and then let them all talk that we have a timeline. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I do it at
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  Speaker 1: your house, but I see what you're saying. I mean somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: We can do it, at click through, we can do
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  Speaker 1: it at the Artis, we can do it anywhere. But
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  Speaker 1: I want everybody in the same room, and I want
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  Speaker 1: everybody to explain to me exactly what happened and when,
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  Speaker 1: because at least then I'll put a timeline definitely well,
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  Speaker 1: And I think that that'd be a big thing for
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  Speaker 1: us too, is is that we can get you know,
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  Speaker 1: damn everything in the open kind of and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I want somebody to say that, somebody to say to
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  Speaker 1: somebody else, you're lying right, somebody might step over somebody
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  Speaker 1: else's story. What can we do that because we try
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  Speaker 1: to organize something or everybody, I don't see why not.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the best idea to anyways
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  Speaker 1: come up. But since we started this case, I want
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  Speaker 1: to say, who don't show up? I want thing who
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  Speaker 1: don't show up? That's the other thing. But I want
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  Speaker 1: to personally invite them. I want to ask them, and
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  Speaker 1: I just want to I want everyone to have their
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  Speaker 1: on their schedules. This is when we're meeting. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't want I don't want it to be a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people from your team because I don't want people
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  Speaker 1: to get freaked down. Like honestly, it would probably better
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  Speaker 1: if it was just like you or you and one
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  Speaker 1: other person. But then just everyone that has a piece
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  Speaker 1: of the story. Do they feel comfortable, they don't feel
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  Speaker 1: like they're being interrogated, and then just let them talk
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  Speaker 1: as long as they want and just let them talk
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  Speaker 1: to each other and hear what they have to say
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  Speaker 1: here where they they have a problem because I just
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  Speaker 1: something doesn't make sense. I don't know. I'm starting with
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  Speaker 1: like question every single person I know if I trust them?
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  Speaker 1: Do I really know this person? I mean, I'm going crazy?
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  Speaker 1: Would like paranoia and conspiracy wom you just heard Amanda
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  Speaker 1: suggesting everyone who might know something should get together in
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  Speaker 1: the same room and discuss what they know. But unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: that never happened. In fact, detectives discouraged witnesses from talking
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  Speaker 1: to each other. Chase's mom had never met Brad until
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace brought them together recently for this podcast series.
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  Speaker 1: You hear that in episode four, Nancy has started putting
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  Speaker 1: together this timeline, just like Amanda wanted three years ago.
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  Speaker 1: In this next segment, Amanda tells Tim she's keeping money
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  Speaker 1: in Chase's bank account just in case he's still alive,
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  Speaker 1: and tries to use his debit card, the only thing
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  Speaker 1: he had on his cellphone and his debit card. Now
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  Speaker 1: he's never used a debit card again, right, never checked
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  Speaker 1: that I don't even know how many times today, so
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  Speaker 1: you still have it all right, so it's still active.
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  Speaker 1: If he had to use it, he could. Yeah, I've
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  Speaker 1: made sure that if the sudden disappearance of a father
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  Speaker 1: is have to explain to young children, especially when you
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  Speaker 1: yourself don't know where he is or why he's gone.
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  Speaker 1: And in this segment you hear Amanda's pain for her
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  Speaker 1: young daughters, especially the one about to turn four. Every
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  Speaker 1: time my daughter asked me something, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: to say if I need to mistally prepare her for
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  Speaker 1: something like that. I need to know if I need
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  Speaker 1: to prepare for something like that, because she's not a baby,
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  Speaker 1: she's a kid, a kid who knows what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: A kids go to call you at me, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what to kill her, and she feels a fancy
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  Speaker 1: and I the only thing she seems to say, he's
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  Speaker 1: out of talent because I don't know what he say,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't want her to be hurt and I
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  Speaker 1: don't wander to feel like he doesn't want to be
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  Speaker 1: around her. But holy, so long I can say that
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  Speaker 1: before she's like easy, gone too long? And my daughter's
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  Speaker 1: personal day is it only there's no way I can
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  Speaker 1: plain to my four year old I he's not there
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  Speaker 1: for her birthday. Chase and I we'll fish stri he
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't do, but no, you would want to see that.
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  Speaker 1: He just wanted not that type of person. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I just I have to do something before. I asked
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  Speaker 1: the spouse of a missing person, and they'll likely tell
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  Speaker 1: you one of the painful aspects is the suspicion cast
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  Speaker 1: upon them. People are just starting to come at me.
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  Speaker 1: And and I'll tell anybody, you know, let me on
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  Speaker 1: a lot of picture, search my house, search my phone,
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  Speaker 1: do whatever you want. Help. Another call was recorded by
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  Speaker 1: a woman who describes herself as a military mom. She
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  Speaker 1: says she was drawn to Chase his story because, like
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  Speaker 1: her son, Chase, served in the military. Amanda responds to
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  Speaker 1: accusations that she grew marijuana in her basement and that
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  Speaker 1: Chase used heroine. Drugs have not ever been my thing.
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  Speaker 1: Case has struggled with them, and it has been something
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  Speaker 1: that we struggled with for a long time. But that's
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  Speaker 1: not my sin. And people are just making me out
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  Speaker 1: to be this big drug person. And it's just that's
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons I shut down from everybody is,
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  Speaker 1: because everybody started making false accusations and threatening with defects
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  Speaker 1: and all of this stuff. And I was like, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: apparently people are manipulating and twisting me and twisting my
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  Speaker 1: words and twisting cases problems to make them my problems.
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  Speaker 1: Because I was told that you said that the drugs
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  Speaker 1: were all me and that Chases a golden boy, and
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  Speaker 1: that I'm the one that had problems with them, and
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  Speaker 1: that is that's just so far from the truth, the
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  Speaker 1: furthest thing from the truth. And I okay, let me,
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  Speaker 1: let me Um. I'm so glad that you're laying these
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  Speaker 1: out on the table, that you're being straight with me
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  Speaker 1: on there. This is why, this is why I mean
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  Speaker 1: you to do because I need to hear what's coming
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  Speaker 1: from you, and you need to hear what's coming from me.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I was told. Chase's drug of choice
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  Speaker 1: if heroin. He did heroin as a teenager. Um was
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  Speaker 1: not heroin. It was caught, but he struggled with it
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  Speaker 1: when he was younger, and he's struggled with it like
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  Speaker 1: one time since we've gotten married, on one occasion. So Alan,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand what she's saying what she's talking about.
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  Speaker 1: But first of all, what do you make of her demeanor? Nancy?
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  Speaker 1: Hearing Amanda talking in the weeks after her husband disappeared,
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  Speaker 1: I hear a lot of concern and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: frustration from her. You obviously hear the pain that she
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  Speaker 1: is suffering for her daughters, but she's also very confused
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  Speaker 1: and very frustrated. So I think this this is what
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  Speaker 1: you would expect a wife who has lost her husband
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  Speaker 1: suddenly and in a very unexplained way. Now, why was
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  Speaker 1: she so interested in trying to find out what happened
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  Speaker 1: to Chase and then suddenly packed up and left town
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  Speaker 1: and we can't get in touch with her? What's that
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  Speaker 1: all about. Amanda moved out of town on the first
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  Speaker 1: anniversary of Chase's disappearance, and I understand it wasn't because
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  Speaker 1: it was the anniversary, but it happened to be when
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  Speaker 1: her lease was up at her Kennesaw, Georgia home, and
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  Speaker 1: so she moved. But another factor that some people speculate
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  Speaker 1: came into this is that she was being stalked. There
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  Speaker 1: is this gentleman that you hear in this phone recording,
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  Speaker 1: Tim Real named Paul Liebrey. The one who's actually imprisoned
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  Speaker 1: right now for impersonating police officer. There were some things
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  Speaker 1: between her and Paul that were somewhat scary that I
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  Speaker 1: won't get into right here, but it would have been
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  Speaker 1: enough along with the all of the suspicion and the pressure,
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  Speaker 1: that maybe she just wanted to be in a different place.
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  Speaker 1: What do we know about where she's living now? Amanda
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  Speaker 1: is living in Iowa Burlington, Iowa area, which not coincidentally
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  Speaker 1: is where Chase's father Corbin lives and is from. So
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  Speaker 1: there she has some financial support, She has some support
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  Speaker 1: system from Chase's paternal side of Chase's family. Do you
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  Speaker 1: believe she's co operating with police. I have not heard
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  Speaker 1: that she is not cooperating with police. I have no
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  Speaker 1: reason to believe that she's not cooperating with the police. However,
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  Speaker 1: keep in mind, now the file is moving to a
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  Speaker 1: different unit. It's going to the cold case unit. We've
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  Speaker 1: talked with them and we find them very receptive. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: we know that the cold case investigators are listening to
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  Speaker 1: our podcast series and maybe now it will be a
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  Speaker 1: new opportunity for there to be a dialogue between detectives,
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  Speaker 1: this time with a cold case unit and Amanda. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Brad's theory has always been that while he was gone
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  Speaker 1: to either lows or publics, she came by and picked
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  Speaker 1: him up, because that was the usual m O. He
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  Speaker 1: told me that that day she had been quote, blowing
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  Speaker 1: up a cell phone trying to come pick him up
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  Speaker 1: or talk to him, and he believed she picked him
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  Speaker 1: up while he Brad was gone. Yes, we heard Brad
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  Speaker 1: say that's what. He just assumed that Amanda picked up
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  Speaker 1: Chase that day and that he didn't just walk away. However,
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  Speaker 1: Brad has no real way of knowing that, and we
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  Speaker 1: don't know either. But of course Amanda insists that did
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  Speaker 1: not happen. Do we know if his cell phone turned
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  Speaker 1: up anywhere else, because last time Brad saw him, according
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  Speaker 1: to Brad clements, he had a cell phone. If it's
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  Speaker 1: turned up somewhere else, then he absolutely saw someone else
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  Speaker 1: that afternoon. It's an interesting question about Chase's cell phone
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  Speaker 1: because it wasn't used apparently after a certain time on
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  Speaker 1: the twenty seven March, and it is believed that Chase
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  Speaker 1: took it with him. However, there are some people who
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  Speaker 1: suspect that he didn't. What do you think we have
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  Speaker 1: to do to get Amanda to speak with us and
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  Speaker 1: tell us what happened that day. I mean, she's under
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  Speaker 1: no obligation under the law. But what do you think
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  Speaker 1: it will take to get Amanda to talk to us.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm hoping that Amanda will listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: I know for a fact that people that she's close
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  Speaker 1: to are listening to these episodes. While I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: that she's listening to every second of every one of them,
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  Speaker 1: she's aware that this is going on. Certainly, I'm hoping
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  Speaker 1: she'll see that we're taking an objective look at this,
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  Speaker 1: that we're not attacking any individuals, that we're just trying
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  Speaker 1: to build a timeline and we're looking for answers, and
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  Speaker 1: of course, hanging in the balance are chases too Little
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  Speaker 1: girls with Amanda again, simply say if I want to
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  Speaker 1: Nancy for another tem percent off. Our search for Chase
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  Speaker 1: Masner goes on. It is now reverting to a cold case.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not cold to us. The answer is out there,
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  Speaker 1: even if sometimes it feels like it's just beyond our fingertips.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend,