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BlueOrange exposes the truth; behind the scenes at Jubilee | Fireside Chat 250 · Honey Badger Radio

• 1:39
  Speaker 1: Terry whiskey.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you told me you could develop a secretary.
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  Speaker 3: Oh lo, suddenly slow come riding reading, Let's begin, indeed, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All right, take two. Hell, everybody, welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 4: My name is Brian and this is the Fireside Chat
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  Speaker 4: and I am joined by once again Thomas Carney, now
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  Speaker 4: in much better form, to discuss the appearance that you
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  Speaker 4: had on Jubileese middle Ground series, which is basically part
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  Speaker 4: two of men's rights Activists Versus Feminists.
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  Speaker 1: How are you today, sir?
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  Speaker 2: I am a lot better. I'm so sorry. Last time
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  Speaker 2: I was going on like two hours of sleep over
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  Speaker 2: like two and a half days. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: the heck happens. It's like this weird like insomnia came
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  Speaker 2: out of nowhere, and I was just, you know, not
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  Speaker 2: feeling good. But today we're feeling good.
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  Speaker 4: All right, all right, well, well, I'm glad that you
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  Speaker 4: are doing well, and we're just gonna do the whole
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  Speaker 4: thing like we didn't even do it before. So today
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  Speaker 4: there was a there was a recent video put up
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  Speaker 4: by Jubilee, and credit to Jubilee for even doing this,
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  Speaker 4: but essentially they have a series called middle Ground and
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  Speaker 4: they basically bring different people to represent a side of
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  Speaker 4: a you know, a given argument or discussion online and
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  Speaker 4: they put them all together and try to figure out
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  Speaker 4: like whether or not they line up and where. And
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  Speaker 4: they have done this before with men's rights activists or
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  Speaker 4: men's rights advocates and feminists on the opposite side, and
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  Speaker 4: they sort of like talk about you know, it's mostly
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  Speaker 4: becomes a conversation about men's issues primarily and whether or not,
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  Speaker 4: you know, feminism has the inclination or the ability to
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  Speaker 4: actually like deal with these or even the desire to
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  Speaker 4: do that.
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  Speaker 1: And so you guys.
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  Speaker 4: Did a part two to this series and there were
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  Speaker 4: eight people on the panel, and you are on the
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  Speaker 4: men's rights side. So I wanted to ask you some
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  Speaker 4: questions about it because I've we've frint of the channel,
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  Speaker 4: You've been on here a few times, so I thought
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  Speaker 4: it'd be interesting to get a particular insight about your experience.
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  Speaker 1: So fire away.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So, first of all, how did you guys come
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  Speaker 4: in contact?
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  Speaker 1: How do you get in touch with the folks over
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  Speaker 1: at Jubilee.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm on their their casting list, so I get
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  Speaker 2: their emails when they're casting people. But I saw it
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  Speaker 2: really late I remember they posted it. I think it
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  Speaker 2: was like July twentieth, and I didn't see it till
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  Speaker 2: July twenty eighth, so I thought, oh shit, I missed it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And like for years I've wanted to do
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  Speaker 2: with men's rights feminist jubilee. So I wrote an email,
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  Speaker 2: not really begging, but like almost kind of begging, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think it'd be great for this. I
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  Speaker 2: have a YouTube channel, I've done reactions before, and I
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  Speaker 2: sent it and they got back to me like within
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  Speaker 2: a day, and they did a short interview, a video interview,
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  Speaker 2: and I remember they said, we're going to make the
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  Speaker 2: decision next week. Right, Well, they called me nine o'clock
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  Speaker 2: in the morning my time, so that was like six
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  Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, so they must have really wanted me.
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  Speaker 2: I was the first person they called, and they said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: signed the paperwork, and we film on the nineteenth. Here's
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  Speaker 2: the address.
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  Speaker 1: See you there, all right, And do you have to
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  Speaker 1: like did they pay for your tickets or hotel or
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  Speaker 1: you have to come out of your own I know,
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  Speaker 1: I was just curious.
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  Speaker 2: Right, they gave me, they gave us, they gave us
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  Speaker 2: fifty bucks.
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  Speaker 1: Fifty bucks and it was in la Is that where
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  Speaker 1: you went? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: And so you found your own accommodations and you U
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  Speaker 4: K you're from You're in Florida now right?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so you you had to go like across the country.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it cost me money?
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  Speaker 1: Suah bet it did?
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  Speaker 4: So do you well, I'll ask you this too. Did
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  Speaker 4: you speak to any well, so you get to California,
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  Speaker 4: you're getting ready for this, did you like get anybody
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  Speaker 4: to come talk to you about what it was going
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  Speaker 4: to be like before you started it? Like where there
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  Speaker 4: are you know, people that are like, oh, here's here's
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  Speaker 4: how this is going to go, like prepared?
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  Speaker 2: We got we got an email, but we were kind
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  Speaker 2: of strictly forbidden from talking to the other people. So
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  Speaker 2: they said, don't talk to anyone in preparation. Don't talk
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  Speaker 2: to the other guests if you happen to see them
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  Speaker 2: even when you get to the lobby. Don't talk to
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  Speaker 2: the people in the in the lobby. So I really
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  Speaker 2: had no idea what was what we were going into.
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  Speaker 2: They asked us to give three prompts, none of which
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  Speaker 2: they use.
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  Speaker 1: Their prompts, what do you mean by what you suggestions
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  Speaker 1: for questions?
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  Speaker 2: Questions right, right, okay, and you and.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't use anybody's or they didn't use yours.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about other people, but I know they
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  Speaker 2: didn't use mine.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, And what you were out of curiosity? What prompts
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  Speaker 4: did you want to see? Because I guess this is saying,
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  Speaker 4: what do you want us to talk about?
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  Speaker 1: What? What were your.
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  Speaker 2: The first one I think was why do how do
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  Speaker 2: feminists account for the education gap? And how would they
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  Speaker 2: fix it? And then another one was this one. I
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  Speaker 2: thought it would have been interesting if they'd used it,
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  Speaker 2: and I stole it from I forget who someone in
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  Speaker 2: the NCFM. I thought it was brilliant men like, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: someone that you you know their name? I'm sure they said.
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  Speaker 4: Harry Crouch, Fred Hayward, Steven Swaboda, Okay, that's all right,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of those guys, but I don't always remember
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  Speaker 4: their names.
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  Speaker 2: They said to ask, ask what elements of feminism has
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  Speaker 2: made it successful that the men's rights movement could use
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  Speaker 2: for its own success?
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  Speaker 4: Ah, okay, so what what?
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  Speaker 1: Well? I think I have the answer to that one.
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  Speaker 4: But the question is what is it that the men's
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  Speaker 4: movement could learn from feminism?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly?
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  Speaker 1: Essentially, Okay, yeah, yeah, or the feminist.
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  Speaker 2: Movement that would have been interesting to see it.
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  Speaker 4: Would have been it would have been I I think
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  Speaker 4: I know the answer to that. But and I think
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  Speaker 4: we're actually in a way, we are kind of doing
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  Speaker 4: the thing that I think it is. But and okay, so.
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  Speaker 2: It's like I was telling you a few minutes ago,
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  Speaker 2: I think the problem with the men's movement and I
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  Speaker 2: cannot believe that I'm abandoning my value to the point
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  Speaker 2: of actually using this word. But we need more riz.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we laugh about it, but we do. We've
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  Speaker 2: got to get cool. You know, we're horrible of that.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like.
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  Speaker 4: The men's movement is full of spurgs. So what to
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  Speaker 4: tell you, Like, I mean, I would like to think
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  Speaker 4: that I have some riz. I mean I did find
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  Speaker 4: a woman and I got married and all that. So
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, I think that the issue is a lot
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  Speaker 4: of these guys are It's like a certain kind of
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  Speaker 4: mentality that you, you know, you you tend to have
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  Speaker 4: that like seeks these that seeks to answer these questions
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  Speaker 4: of unfairness or injustice to men. And so yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I guess I don't know, like what the solution of
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  Speaker 4: that is, but I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you
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  Speaker 4: because sometimes it's tough. Like I said, these guys are
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  Speaker 4: spurgy and you know, a bit awkward. So but but yeah, anyway, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that that what's a what?
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  Speaker 1: So that was your second one? What's your third?
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  Speaker 2: I think my third one was something circumcision related.
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  Speaker 4: Just to get a circumcision that's an No. That's an
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  Speaker 4: awesome one to open with, because there's really no answer
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  Speaker 4: to it. I mean, they'll probably blame patriarchy, say well,
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  Speaker 4: men are the ones doing it, but like, it's really
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  Speaker 4: not that.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted it to have I didn't even expect
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  Speaker 2: the feminists to disagree. I just wanted it to be
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  Speaker 2: on camera, on film. I just wanted to get people
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  Speaker 2: talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's it, you don't.
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  Speaker 4: That's That's really the point of these debates, right, is
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  Speaker 4: to put the words out there, put the ideas out there.
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  Speaker 4: Don't worry if the people disagree or agree, because you're
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  Speaker 4: not really there to convince your opponents. You're there to
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  Speaker 4: convince the people watching, or at least get them to
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  Speaker 4: think about it in like a new way that they
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  Speaker 4: never thought of before. So you didn't meet any of
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  Speaker 4: the panelists before you got there. Then, so when you
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  Speaker 4: got there and it was like time to go, that's
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  Speaker 4: when you got to meet the other people. Yes, and
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  Speaker 4: how much time did you guys have, like it was
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  Speaker 4: like right before like you know, or.
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  Speaker 2: Well I was the only one on time. This is
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  Speaker 2: it usually goes in la really. Oh yeah, film film
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  Speaker 2: shoots of any kind are always behind schedule, and yet
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  Speaker 2: I'm always on time anyway, because this is what I do.
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  Speaker 2: I would say. Once everyone got there and we had
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  Speaker 2: some snacks and they were taping us up, they had
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  Speaker 2: a reaction shots actually, which really freaked me out. You know,
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  Speaker 2: suplised or like act surprised or act mad or act
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  Speaker 2: like this because.
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  Speaker 1: I know that so like not they were for editing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think they used them as far as
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  Speaker 2: I know, but I remember that really scared the shit
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  Speaker 2: out of me because in the paperwork that we signed,
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  Speaker 2: it basically says we can edit whatever we want basically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's to me that made.
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  Speaker 2: That may be nervous, And that's why something I learned
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  Speaker 2: long ago always always always be nice to the crew
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  Speaker 2: on a film set. Everybody, the makeup artists, the people
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  Speaker 2: that do the microphone the gaffers because anybody can talk
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  Speaker 2: shit in the post production stage. Always be nice to
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  Speaker 2: the crew. It's extremely important.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And what were your what so what was
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  Speaker 1: your experience like before the shoots started, like talking to people,
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  Speaker 1: snacking whatever, Like what what did you get like a
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  Speaker 1: certain vibe out of it? Like what were the vibes like.
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  Speaker 2: When I saw Pearl and I saw that Nico was
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  Speaker 2: wearing that shirt, which I'm sure that I know that
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  Speaker 2: they approved. They had we had to get our costumes approved,
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  Speaker 2: so I know they had Nico where that shirt.
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  Speaker 1: It was like Men's Lives Matter, the shirt that said
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  Speaker 1: Men's Lives Matter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking, oh no, I mean, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: the vibe was just kind of surreal being there. As
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  Speaker 2: soon as I saw Nico and Pearl, I knew what
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: this was going to be. Okay, this is going to
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  Speaker 2: be a hit piece to try and make MRIs look bad.
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  Speaker 2: So my strategy in that movement shifted. I thought, I'm
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: not going to try and win for the team. I
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: know this isn't going to be a productive conversation. I
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: know it's the skinner devolved into what it evolved into.
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  Speaker 2: So my new goal is to try and make myself
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  Speaker 2: look as rational as possible. Just I want to be
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  Speaker 2: someone who, by the end of it, even feminists can say,
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  Speaker 2: you know that Thomas Guy is actually pretty reasonable. And
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  Speaker 2: when I browsed down the YouTube comments in the comment section,
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  Speaker 2: I get the least amount of hate. I think I
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  Speaker 2: don't really see too many people attacking me in the
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  Speaker 2: comment section. So just not embarrassing myself was was my
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  Speaker 2: number one objective at that point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well did you think you were likely to embarrass yourself?
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  Speaker 4: Because I guess, like some people might ask, like, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you didn't like, you know, embarrass yourself. You didn't contribute
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  Speaker 4: to like the you know, the the petty pettiness or
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  Speaker 4: the you know, sort of like jabs that people were
• 13:35
  Speaker 4: making at each other. You try to like stay on target,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and be focused. But that's true, But but
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  Speaker 4: there is like some people might say that that that's
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  Speaker 4: one thing, But then are you even like making an
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  Speaker 4: impact because if you're just sort of keeping your head
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  Speaker 4: down and like just answering the questions directly, then there
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  Speaker 4: might not be you might not get any good soundbites
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  Speaker 4: out of it.
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  Speaker 2: I had that I had to kind of weigh the risk.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is, I was at the mercy of the editors,
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  Speaker 2: and I had no idea how the editing was going
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  Speaker 2: to go, so me wading in too thick was very
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  Speaker 2: very risky, especially given the fact that they had the
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  Speaker 2: reaction shots, which I had no idea how they were
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  Speaker 2: going to use. What I did notice is that because
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  Speaker 2: I avoided the pettiness and I avoided the bickering, when
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  Speaker 2: I spoke, people listened. Like when I spoke, people listened
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  Speaker 2: to what I was saying. So there was sort of
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  Speaker 2: an error in the room. I think. I hopefully this
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  Speaker 2: isn't coming across totally narcissistic, but I did sort of
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: get the sense that Thomas is the person that doesn't
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: get interrupted and it gets taken seriously mostly so I
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  Speaker 2: spoke less, but when I spoke, I spoke more, if
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  Speaker 2: that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you had the floor.
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  Speaker 2: I had the floor rather than you know, some of
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  Speaker 2: the other people. They may have been talking more words,
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  Speaker 2: but no one's listening to anything that they're saying. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's just like.
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  Speaker 4: And they're talking over each other too, like like a
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: lot of cross talk.
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  Speaker 1: So what was the you said that? Okay, let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you this the paperwork you had to sign. Some
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  Speaker 1: paperwork was basically like stuff to cover jubilees ass, maybe
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  Speaker 1: cover your ass or at least some rules. Did you
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  Speaker 1: read through any other Was.
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  Speaker 4: There anything in there like that you know that also
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  Speaker 4: sort of raised your hackles.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing in particular other than basically just saying, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: have absolute power of editing. We can we can show
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  Speaker 2: stuff that you post on social media basically where God
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  Speaker 2: and you have it, just deal with it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll fact check you two. I have you noticed that?
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  Speaker 4: But like when somebody makes a statistical claim, they'll put
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  Speaker 4: a blurb at the bottom. I think it might have
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: been either something that you said or something that Nico
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: said that was like a little data point about men's issues,
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: and then a blurb came out that was trying to
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: contradict it, but it was still pretty close. It might
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  Speaker 4: have been about the either education gap or or father
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: custody stuff. I can't remember exactly, but I know that
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: we are. We're gonna be going through it, maybe on
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  Speaker 4: Friday when we do a rant circle on part two
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  Speaker 4: of that, because we did some of it and then
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: there's more towards the end. But anyway, so what do
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: you think about So we're getting an idea of like,
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: what do you think about like the way Jubilee handled
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  Speaker 4: it in terms of like their whole setup.
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  Speaker 1: Would you go back on there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I feel you know, at the very least,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't. They didn't screw me over. You know, they
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  Speaker 2: were fair to me, So they could have made me
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: look worse than they did and they didn't.
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  Speaker 4: So do you think they were Do you think that
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: they were fair to the other people on your side?
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  Speaker 2: In some ways? They were? They were Let's just say
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  Speaker 2: it could have been worse. Yeah, it could have been worse.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So, uh, you mentioned that Nico has had a
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  Speaker 4: shirt and that you based on that guy being on there,
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  Speaker 4: you were worried that this was going to like sort
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  Speaker 4: of like weaken your side. Okay, Like I get the
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  Speaker 4: pearl thing, but I mean I'll get into that later.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean the Nico had a shirt that said
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  Speaker 4: Men's Lives Matter. Was it simply the fact that it
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: was a parallel to Black Lives Matter that it was
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  Speaker 4: like more of this politically charged thing, or is there
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  Speaker 4: something else about him being on there that you thought,
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  Speaker 4: uh was gonna make your job harder?
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  Speaker 2: Just a shirt basically I thought was gonna get a
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: lot of flak in the comments, and it's like, let's
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  Speaker 2: be honest. I mean, you know who would wear that?
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  Speaker 2: This is what I was thinking. And I want to
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  Speaker 2: say Nico and Nico. Nico and I now he's a
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: totally cool guy. We we you shook hands after. But
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: when I saw it, my initial reaction was, Oh, what's
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: this going to be like? And that made that made me,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: That made me wonder the Ariel was the plant, so
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: that's why he's here. Pearl, they know, is hated by
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of people, so that's why she was there. Nico, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that was my assumption seeing the shirt. I was a
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: point trying to calculate what am I doing here? Because
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: they told me that eighteen hundred people applied, and they
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: chose four of eighteen hundred I think was the number?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Whatever it was, why me?
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  Speaker 1: You know, maybe they yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 4: One of the people that was invited was Alison, but
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: she couldn't make it out here because she was afraid
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: to cross the border. And she might have still been
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: kind of restricted because she was banned from the US
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: for five years when she tried to cross in twenty
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  Speaker 4: nineteen for the men's conference that we had here, well
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  Speaker 4: not here, but it was in Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: We had a men's conference. It was a very big success.
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  Speaker 4: But despite the fact that Allison basically organized most of it,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: if not all of it, she wasn't able to come
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: to the conference. But she was invited but wasn't able
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: to go. And I think that in the past Karen
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: has been reached out to as well, But Karen doesn't
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: go to these things anymore, Like she's just kind of
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: like laying low in Edmonton. So it could have been
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Allison instead of one of the other panelists, but she
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: wasn't able to go.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: So but I mean, yeah, lucky you. I mean, that's
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: at least how it sounds.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: But then again, or did they think I'm some total
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Waco and they were hoping I was gonna, you know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: do some milkdown or something like. That's the thing.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: What did they think me based on what? Though?
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Like they would have to watch your content, I guess
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: so if you if you had a meltdown on like
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: a video that you did or some you know, maybe
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: you had an appearance, because I know that you have
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: called in and debated Sam Ceter for example, from the
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Majority report, and if that like got out of him,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: maybe they would look at that and say, oh, this
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: guy would be good. But then I don't know because
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: they on the last one, they brought on Christoph peccauz
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: and he is like very you know, rational guy. Uh
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: talks about Title nine all the time. That's what he
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: works for NCFM. Maybe they looked at NCFM and they
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: wanted to pick somebody from there and they chose you.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's because you're a younger guy, because I know
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of the NCFM guys are older, right, And
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: if you're younger, then I think being a younger man
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: makes it actually benefits them tactically speaking, because you're there's
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: less sympathy, right, Like if you're an old guy, then
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: people will be like, oh, you know, we're picking on
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: the old guy. Don't pick on the old guy like
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: a Harry Crouch or Warren Ferrell. But I think because
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: you're a young guy, they're like, oh, yeah, we're gonna
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: you know, and maybe you know you you have a
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: background in acting, right.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did not tell them that because I thought
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that might be might be uh used like, oh, don't
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: pick this guy.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, trust me.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Background in acting mostly means you know, being a waiter
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: nine nine percent of the time, you know.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, acting, we'll call it, right, Yeah, sure, no. I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: used to work in theater, so I know some people
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: who did acting. But anyway, so yeah, I was just like, uh,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: it's good though, because it gave us a chance to
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: talk to some who was there.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: And I actually really quick note you can actually see
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: my face. This really shitty feminist movie called International Falls.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: The very very last scene is a stand up scene,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: and I'm one of the extras in it, and I
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: had to sit there and laugh. And she was just
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: saying like the most misandristic stuff like I hate I
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: hate man, I want to grab their dicks off. I
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm sitting there just laughing at this called
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: called International Falls.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: International Falls.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And they stiffed us too. It's the most bullshit thing.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: It's like, I forget what the exact number was, but like,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: we can give you one hundred and sixty dollars vemino
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: in two weeks or one hundred and fifty eight dollars
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: in cash now now of course everyone's gonna take the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: get They do it just to do it. They do
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: it as like as like a power thing. It is
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: complete narcissists, like they could have they could have given
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: us the cash right then, but they withheld the two
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: dollars just to rub it in your face, you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the scum that you are. You know.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and at this time were you involved with men's
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: issues or was this like when you were blue pilled before?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Oh? No, I was never blue pilled. I've been an
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: MRA since I was in high school.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, how'd you find that?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Did I? What?
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: How did you find the MRM? Howd you learn about this?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Well, let's see, I think circumcision was like the first
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I remember that by my first day of senior year
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: high school, I didn't know what the MRM was. But
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: by the time I graduated, I fully consider myself an MRM.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: And then really when I was eighteen, I spent like
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the first six months just reading everything, hours and hours
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: and hours and hours and hours a day, and by
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: like nineteen twenty one, I was pretty much card carrying MR.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, I mean, because I was gonna say,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I think just when it comes to like being let's say,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: con troversial, I think just being an m RA is controversial,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Like you don't. You don't have to add more to it, right,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: So what about the other guy, Ariel, who was on
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: your team, he was. For people who don't remember we
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: watched the video, you can watch us reacting to it
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: on a ranser car. A lot of people have done
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: reactions rollo to.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: He's a subscriber. He subscribes. He subscribes to me.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, he he said he was the guy
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: who was basically like a gender what do you call himself?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: A gender evolutionist, a gender abolitionist. He didn't believe gender existed.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Of course, he only said that when it applies to men,
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: because he's still women as if they were a thing.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: He only sees flower shaped people or something.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just see like flower shaped people, right, Yeah,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: and so it was. It was kind of not terribly useful.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: But what what like when you when did you learn
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: that he was like a gender abolitionist that was probably not.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Supposed to be on your side.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: But literally a plant he was.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, So, having seen even more footage than anyone else
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: has been able to see some whole show, it is
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: one percent obvious to me that he was an intentional plant.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Obvious.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I do not believe his story when he says that
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: he was going there with sincere intentions, I absolutely believe.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Jubilee was in on it or not,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: but I'm absolutely convinced he was an absolute plant. And
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you why that pisses me off. Okay, like
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: his stupid flowery bullshit, whatever, but he took a spot
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: away from someone that could have actually used it. He
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: took a spot away from a real MRA. So besides
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: becoming five on three, you know, someone lost an opportunity.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Someone who applied for that spot didn't have it because
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: this idiot was there instead.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: So let's be frank. That spot was the first spot
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: taken on your side. Like Jubilee said, we need one
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: person on this side that's going to make them all
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: look bad because the first time they did this, they
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: did it with somebody else. Now, maybe it's not intentional,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: like this guy's getting like a you know, like a
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: paycheck or something for being a plant. But like the
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: first the first debate they did it was Christoph Petco's
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: who's this legitimate men's rights activist works with NCFM knows
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: backwards and forwards. Title nine understands all of the myths
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: about like feminism and all these other things regardless, like
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: the wage gap and all that. Then you have like
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: a generically conservative guy that's just like I just want
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: men to be men and women to be women, and
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: you know, and it's not terribly useful, right because I mean,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: just kind of generic bluepill conservative guy does not mean
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: men's rights activists, but Jubilee gets to frame it with
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: their selections because they're basically saying men's rights activists are
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: conservatives to us, right. And then the last guy was
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: this guy named Brendio who was an incel that had
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: like Derek Yeah, Derek.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I had him on the show. I had
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Derek on the show Brendio.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: And he had like, you know, pretty extreme views that
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: he was willing to put out there because he was
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: like past the red pill sage. He was like a
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: black pilled guy that was just like I don't care,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: I think that we should gave women. Yeah, he was,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: but he knew that it was gonna get clicks. Like
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: he was just like, I'm gonna say the stuff that's
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: gonna make people, you know, really upset and get that's
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Like sometimes being provocative you know, it's
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: it's he just took it that to that point, and
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: and I said, well, why would you like, these guys
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: aren't MRAs except for.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: One, why would you do that? And then I will,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you know what, this is what they do.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: And part of it is because probably they do want
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: to some degree throw a monkey wrench into works and
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: kind of like make it harder for MRAs to make
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: their case. But on the other side, they probably do
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: view all of those as part of the same thing.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Because if you think about it, like a generically conservative guy,
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: an actual men's rights activist, and an insult in the
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: eyes of femine or bluepill people are all the same.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: It's like, well they're yeah, so so you are. It's
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: it's not And they have like this kind of plausible deniability.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: If you said, well that's this isn't precise, they'll say, no, no,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: it's you guys all believe basically the same things. You
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: just disagree in little ways, which makes the conversation more interesting.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: But yeah, but then the people on the other side,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: they're all on, they're all in lockstep, like they're all like,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: patriarchy is the reason for all of our problems, and
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: men are the problem and they don't deserve sympathy, and
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: you know, when men have problems, it's men's fault, like
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: they all none of them disagree, right like generally, So anyway,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I uh, I just so yeah, I mean, I believe
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: that Ariel was probably intentional on the part of Jubilee,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: and they that spot wasn't necessarily one because they like,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: if I could build a platform, I'd love to do
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: this one day. If I could have my own version
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: of Jubilee, I would legitimately try to find the best
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: examples of a side, Like I'd be like, who are
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: the top men's rights activists, who are the top feminists.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Let's bring them together and see where the arguments land, right,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: that would be what I would do. But the I
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: don't think, JU belie they're more interested in entertainment and
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: so like that involves like let's get some weirdos on here.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, they want to
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: maintain the status quo, which is the feminist perspective.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: It's the satisfying So all right, anyway, So.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: How much of do you do you remember, like for
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: the most part, what the full conversation was. How long
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: did you guys talk for without but you know, before
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: the editing process, so the.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Whole thing was four hours. I have to be honest,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I found most of the questions a lot of I
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: sat out. I just found rather disappointing. You know, do
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: you think it's time for a woman to be present? Yeah,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: like that. It's a lot of like like you.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Didn't really have anything to do with men's rights.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we didn't even get to any of
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the issues. You know, I wanted to talk about the
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: education gap, conscription, higher pension ages, incarceration gap, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: sentencing disparity, and it was it was I don't remember
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the other questions were, but they weren't very interesting. It
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: wasn't very interesting. I don't think it was a very
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: interesting episode. I hate to say.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: I mean I thought it well. A lot of people
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: felt the need to make responses to it. So there
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: is that. And you know, like, well, you and I
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: talked a little bit before the show, and I told
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: you that Rolo TOMASI did a response to it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I think you mentioned I don't I don't watch roll
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: those videos some way too long. That's them. Consists of
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: him talking about how he invented everything. So I mean, yeah,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I made the red pill. So what
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: is these are all.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Like my you know, like my uh, I don't know
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: my after after jizz, like you know, lefto verse because
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: I made it all, So I don't know.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: It's boring to me.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Make a video about it. Go ahead, I gotta watch.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: It's the weirdest thing watching total strangers like react to
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: you and like debate about you. I'm as here in
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: my computer watching two people arguing over me and what
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I think and what I It's the weirdest trip. Man.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, now I've been there, definitely been there. So yeah,
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: so like it is even if you thought it was
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: kind of boring, probably because again, it wasn't supposed to
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: be a discussion about men's issues themselves, but rather they
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: were just trying to get maybe a temperature of what
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: do MRAs believe versus what feminists beliefs, So they put
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: out these sort of gender charge questions like are we
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: ready for a women president? I believe the answer is no,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: But that's only because everything is so like we're at
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: the stage now where you know, women are like getting
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: away with literal murder and rape and no one takes
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: them seriously. So like, how could we put if we
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: can't hold women responsible for little things because we have
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: this bias.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Hang on, I don't think that's fair. I think you
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: have to go by the individual.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: But that question, the question is is the general Like
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: I would I would prefer to look at a person
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: as an individual, but the question is phrase as a general.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: And besides that, too many people see women as part
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: of the collective. So like the average person, you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: like that's why they will defend the worst women because
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: they think they're defending women as a group instead of
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: like the woman that one woman. So like Amber Heard, for.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Example, you know you follow the Amber Heard and Johnny
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Depp things watched d and yeah it was, oh your
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: most watched video, so you did chime it, okay. So
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: in that video or in that case, there was a
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: lot of people defending Amber Heard, and it wasn't based
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: on whether or not she did something or whatever. It
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: was based on these presumptions about women.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Being attacked by the patriarchy, by defendant worker.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Or by Johnny Depp, Like Johnny Depp must be lying.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Johnny Depp must be an abuser. And I mean there's
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: people just making all kinds of cope stories around it,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: and the reason is because they want to form this
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: narrative in their mind that men must be the bad
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: people in this scenario. So this is why I'm saying,
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: like in terms of like our ability to just sort
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: of see that women are human and they make mistakes
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: and they can do evil just like men can. Most
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: people are just not ready for that conversation. And so
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: when they ask you these charge questions like are we
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: ready for a woman president? I mean, my first thing,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: you have to say yes or no, because that's why
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: the question is framed, right, So I would say no,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: but when I would go to talk about it, I
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: would explain that, you know, the problem is is that
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: we're not looking at women based on.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: What their capabilities are.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Right Like, if a woman who was who I thought
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: was really capable and competent was.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I said yes, I said yes to the question for.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I know, but that I think that's
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: kind of a safe like no one because if you
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: say no, this is another thing too. This is these
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: are these are trap questions because if you say no,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: then they're just going to presume it's because you hate
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: women and not because you have any rational reason for it, right, So,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: and I know lots of women who would say no,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: but I'm just saying this is like, how yeah, and
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: I'm sure she did. I mean I think she did.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: I don't remember exactly, but I think I don't think.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think that question made it. Actually, I have
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: to watch it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I think it did. Yeah, I think it's.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Honestly, it's it's hard for me to watch because I
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: find it really born actually to me and everything else.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, anyway, My point is is that you we
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: were at the point now where if we if we
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: are not able to hold women accountable for their actions,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: which is what feminism is pushing for, it's essentially to
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: remove like, you know, any agency for women, then we
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: have to start like responding to that accordingly by saying, well,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: if you're not responsible for anything, then you can't have
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: authority over anything. Like you know, It's like you can't
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: have authority without responsibility, right, And you can't have responsibility
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: without authority because you have a responsible for the thing
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: that you're that you have authority over.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I made a video a few days ago that I deleted.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it again because people have been addressing
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: it in the comments about the night I got stabbed
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: by that woman, and I'll never forget how it doesn't
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: matter that I went to hospital. It doesn't matter that
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I was visibly bleeding. The next day, a female neighbor
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: tried to basically have me beaten up by the guys
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: on the street because it was my fault, because a man,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: if assaulted by a woman, is not allowed to defend
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: himself exactly, and it's.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: It's exactly, that's exactly the problem.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I got banned from Redded yesterday for saying that band
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: and they said it was quote in cell shit, thinking
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: that a man should be able to defend himself from
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: a woman with a deadly weapon, for fock's sake. I mean,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: it's scary when when you and I don't get the
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: guys that go along with this, you know, when it
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: happens to them. Of course, Oh it's different this time. No,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: it's not different this time. You've just been wrong this
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: whole time. Now you learn the hard way, you.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Know, Yeah, for sure. All right, So but we're getting
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: a little bit off topics. So what do you think
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: about we already talked about Ariel, So did you talk
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: to Pearl? Well, what like, I know that you probably
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: have opinions on her, but you asked me about Pearl
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: before the show, But did you talk to her.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: At that at that event?
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Very briefly?
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very briefly.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: And then like when everything was over, did you guys
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: just all just like go your separate ways immediately like
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: after it was over.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Uh, some of us exchange numbers. Ariel the fanboy, of
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: course wanted my information. Pearl did a little video vlog
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: that I'm on. Basically she just said something like I
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: wish Warren Ferrell or Paul Elum was here. I said, oh, yeah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: that would have been cool or something to that effect.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: But it was it was pretty brief. It was pretty brief.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have liked to have seen.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't think Paul would do these things because
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think he has the patience for it. Based
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: on my like hanging out with Paul. You know, he's
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: it's not that he's like unstable. He's a very like
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: smart and wise guy, but he doesn't have tolerance for
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: bullshit and I don't think that would.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Go over really well.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: And as far as doctor Warren Ferrell goes, I think
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: that he operates best in more of a long form
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: where he can like explain, you know, like if he
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: has an audience as opposed to like being on a
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: panel and trying to get you know, words and edge wise,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: and he'll probably And the thing is is that doctor
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Warren fair would likely like most of his stuff would
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: end up on the cutting room floor. They'd like find
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: one thing that they thought he said that was nice,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: and then they put it out there and it would
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: probably be something that would line up with this toxic
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: masculinity narrative because uh, sometimes like Warren Ferrell's talking points,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: they get a little close to that. And so that
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: it's useful to like do the because that's what I'm saying,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: It's all about controlling the narrative. And so like the
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: jubilee creates the frame and then the people show up
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: and they say what they got to say, and then
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: jubilees editors go in and they're like, Okay, what's what's
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: the message we want and they have to work with
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: what's there to get it. So based on here's here's
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: a good question, I think. Uh, and by the way, guys,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: if you have any questions for Tomas, send a super
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: chat or super chow or rumble rant and I'll be
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: sure to read them out.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't be shy about that.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I actually can't see chat. I'm looking forward. I'm not
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: supposed to be able to see chat on.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: You should be Yeah. On YouTube? Are you on YouTube?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: On zoom? I'm afraid it's not.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: In It's not in zoom. You have to go to
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: the YouTube video. I'm the chance not displaying here. I'm
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: not even sure if there's a way to do that.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Do you want me to share it with you?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Are they being mean to me?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: No?
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: I mean no, I don't think so. No, these are
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: our Our audience is pretty cool, man. I think they're
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: pretty cool. But okay, so what was I saying.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: About? Oh yeah, so yeah, the the thing? Uh, you
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and I were talking a little bit about Pearl and
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I just want to say, for the record, and I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: said this before we started the show, I don't have
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: a problem with Pearl.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: And but because again she's been very fair to us
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: as as as m Ras. Okay, she's been really fair
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: to us. She has given platforms to Alison and Karen
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: and Jenes Fiamengo and Aaron Pittsy and doctor Warren Ferrell.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: She's like platformed all of us and well not like
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: not me, but like the people who you know, I
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: guess are the most involved. She may have even talk
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: to Harry Crouch as well. And I think that that
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: far outweighs like whatever, you know, Like, however, she's triggering
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: people on Twitter, I don't really care that much, and
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: you know, she's she's blunt. I think that this is
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: what you get when you ignore men's issues for a
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: long time. Like it's kind of like, you know, people
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: who have been very reasonable, like Warren Ferrell has been
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: talking about this since like the seventies, and he's been
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: very gentle. He's always been gentle, it's in his nature.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: And yet he has ignored, he has attacked, He has called,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: you know, an incest supporter, a pedophile, all kinds of stuff,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: which is obviously not true because they don't care, they
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: don't care how rational you are. They're gonna come after you.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: And so what's gonna happen is the next like sort
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: of let's say, incarnation of people who are talking are
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: going to be a little bit less gentle. They're going
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: to be a little bit more forward. They're going to
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: be a little bit more brutally honest.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Andrew Tate.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Andrew Tate's not even an.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: MRA, but like, no, but that came up.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: That's so, I remember that was one of the questions.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: That's right, it was at the end.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And it's like I have to say, though to Pearl
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: and Nico, sitting down to that question did not help
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: our cause, and I understand what was the question. Overall,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Andrew Tate is a net benefit to the world. And
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I think Alison in comment is saying that Andrew Tate
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: is a reaction to ignoring men's issues, and that's what
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I said, and I think it's true. Andrew Tate is
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: a symptom. Andrew Tate was created by the messandry created
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: by feminism. So Andrew Tate is exactly what you get, exactly,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: like you said, when the rational people who want to
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: help are ignored or slandered or pushed down, people like
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Andrew Tate come up. And that's why I call bullshit
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: on a lot of feminists, because if they really did
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: want equality, they wouldn't be pushing down rational Mras'd be
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: he'd be happy to work with use, and they never o.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: The other thing is they never you never see feminists
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: call out other feminists for miss Andrey. So you have
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: a feminist who will kill all the men or whatever
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: it is, you never hear their quote unquote rational feminists
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: call them out. Ever, we do all the time, we
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: self police all the time, but feminists will never do that.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: The thing is they see they see Tate as they
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: love it because they need something to point at and
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: say that's what they are right, and so they create
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: the conditions for this, Like Pearl is the same thing.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Personally, I think I think Pearl is good. I think
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: that overall she's good because again, she has given platforms
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: to people. Andrew Tate I'm indifferent about because he's not
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: really a men's rights activist. He's just a guy that's
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: like help men make more money and like, you know,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: better themselves. And it's like, well, I mean I wouldn't
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: watch his content, but again he gets it's that's That's
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: another thing too, is that it doesn't matter if you
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: call yourself an m RA or not. Like the Cathedral
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: is gonna call you whatever they think you are, and
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: they're gonna use you whoever to like, you know, slander
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: your name. But it doesn't mean that we shouldn't stop
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: trying to be rational and you know, diplomatic, because I'm
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: still doing that.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: So well, I sent a diplomatic email to Andrew Tate
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: h five rounds, five minutes, MMA rules, and I know
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: he saw it so on that.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Response, but you know, okay, well, yeah, I mean I
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I I hope that that works out. That'd be good
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: press at least, right.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: He walks around not to like he's like the world
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: you know, he's the world champion, because he was like
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: the champion at like the D list, you know, Croatian league,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: and he acts like, you know, he's like fucking Kubigue
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: or something. I mean, he's not.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: I don't follow that stuff, but I know that I know,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: like I said, I know, he's a character.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: But there's nothing I can do. That's the thing.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Like these people are out here. We can't do anything
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: about it. So anyone who wants to actually have a
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: serious conversation about these things, they have to like work
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: within this context of like, yeah, there are people talking
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: about these issues that I probably wouldn't promote and there are.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: People who are talking about that.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: I would, But how about we just stop with the
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: whole Why don't you police your people because you.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Can't like what am I supposed to do.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to deplatform people who I don't, you know,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: agree with, I just let them be, you know, can't
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: be helped anyway. Yeah, I mean, I think ultimately, if
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: it sounds like you, what are your final thoughts, I
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: guess on how this whole thing like played out, Like,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: are you.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Satisfied with it? I was.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a disaster for me. So that's the thing
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I was most afraid of, you know, especially when they
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: did those those editing shots. And you never really know
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: how you come across when you answer a question. So
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: overall my first reaction to it, I was relieved. Then
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: as I as I watched it again, I was just
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: kind of disappointed. You know. I don't think the questions
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: were particularly interesting. I don't think the guests were all
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: that great, you know. The moderation. Uh, some people in
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: the comments are saying it looked like the moderators were
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: biased against us. I didn't get that. I actually think
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: John did a pretty fair job in terms of moderating.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of bickering and fighting that you
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: didn't see, Like probably sixty percent of it was just
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: par owl and the other two women arguing about you
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: know whatever, and they cut. They cut really kind of
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of that, a lot of that out. You know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: if I could go back, would I do it again? Yeah?
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: I think I would. I think I would do it again.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I based on the editing that I see. Even though
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're completely trustworthy, they're trustworthy enough that
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I would do it again because they could have made
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: it much worse if they wanted, and they did well.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: When Christoph went to this thing the first time, he
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: actually recorded it the whole thing, so he got like
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: the uncut version, and there were plenty of things in
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: that version that we wish had actually made it into
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: the final edit of the video. Are there any things
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I know that you said there was a lot of
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: like bickering and stuff that probably wouldn't have been probably
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: wouldn't have been made for a productive video. Maybe an
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: entertaining one, but not a productive one. But were there
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: any things that were left on the cutting room floor
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: that you wish were left in Being that you were
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: there and then you watched it was there like, oh,
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: why didn't they leave this bit where I said this
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: thing or whatever.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: But you can kind of hear I brought up circumcision.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Someone made the point that there's no issue for male
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: body autonomy in the United States, and I said, well,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: hang on, what about circumcision?
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I think that was a lot of questions. Yeah,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: it was something about men's bodies.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that, But then later on you can hear was
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: it was it Jasmine And one of the women said
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: she was talking to me and yes, in regards to circumcision,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: we'd be on your side. So it does get alluded
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: to later, but it doesn't you don't hear me say it,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: but it was brought.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Up, yeah, yeah, And what about the other thing with
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: bodily autonomy, because I know, I remember you brought up
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: conscription and you're talking about the draft, right yeah, and
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I remember you brought that up.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: And one of the guys I believe it was Evan,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: he was the guy on the all the way in
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: the left side. He dismissed it as being like, oh,
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: this never happens, like the draft doesn't is not likely
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: to happen.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: It's like you know, it's hypothetical or whatever.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Did you guys like have a little bit more back
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: and forth about that, or did you not catch that
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: or like when you were there.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: No, they pretty much got it. I mean my response
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: to it was, well, first of all, it's not just
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: in the United States. It's conscripting conscriptions happening around the
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: world right now, in countries that have active war zones.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Second secondly, you say, oh, it's not a big deal
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: until it is. You know, it's not a big deal
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: until it is. We're getting closer and closer to war
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: all the time. Thirdly, you know, imagine if the genders
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: were reversed. I think I think actually most of this
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: did get cut because I don't remember hearing me saying this.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah you didn't.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I That's why I brought it up, because I didn't
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: hear it. It's a they cut it like right after
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: he shot it down, like.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: No matter how small of an issue it is, feminists
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: will complain as if it's the worst thing in the world,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Like God forbid, the one out of a thousand time
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: where there's a men's bathroom and a general bathroom, you know,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: when there's usually a women's on the bathroom and a
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: regular bathroom. We have much much more important things to
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: worry about than that, So we just go you know
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: that fucking that sucks.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not really high list of priorities.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: But a feminist will melt down, she'll call out the manager,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: she'll kick, she'll scream, she'll she'll you know, which goes
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: to shor like sexus, their conditioning, you know another thing
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: they care. But no matter how small of an issue was.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: So if there was a draft, right, even if it
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: was completely inconsequential, as he claims, feminists would be outraged
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: if they had to do it, So, no matter how
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: small of the issue is. And then fourthly, there are
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: consequences even in the US, if you don't sign up
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: for the draft. You can lose scholarships, you can lose
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: access to federal employment. Yeah, you can go to jail,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: very rare, but you can't.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: There's like a fine or something that you said, a
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: quarter million dollars. Yeah, it's like it's yeah, it's a lot.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: So yeah, they.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Did cut most, they did cut most of my answer
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: on the draft, I think yes.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they did.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: And that and that would have been Yeah, that's what
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, though, that would have been a really great
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: sound bite and a true one. And to invoke Ukraine,
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: which you know is drafting guys. I mean, I don't
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: know if you know this, but they were. They extended
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: the the the age, the age of men eligible for
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: the draft to like forty five. So if you're like
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: a forty something year old dude, you know you could
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: get drafted in Ukrainer you're being drafted. And also all
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: of the you know, trans women, they that like, all
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, that didn't matter. Now you're a man.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Now you're just gonna get drafted. So like there were
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: trans women trying to like get out and they're like,
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: well I'm a woman. They're like, no, you're not. So
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: like all of a sudden, the quird theory was out
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: the window, all this progressive stuff because at the end
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: of the day, if they're men, then that's all that matters.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: That they're going to be used in this in this fashion.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: So I got a I got a super chow thank
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: you from Anonymous and they said, I'm going to read
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: this out for ten dollars, Thank you, Anonymous. What happened
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: to the chat through the last chat with Thomas Carney.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Was he okay?
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: And I find it strange he and your audience is
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: anti Pearl when she's the only creator with reach who
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: is unapologetically telling women that they are not victims and
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: they need evaluate themselves before pointing fingers. I think that
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: our audience is a little bit of a mixed bag
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: when it comes to their opinions on Pearl. I am
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: generally supportive, but but yeah, that's basically the super You
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: wanna respond to any of that, like the stuff, but you.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, last time I was just really set the pride
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: and felt really sick.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, all right, Okay, so was it? Did you
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: want to say anything about his Pearl comments at all?
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Or I mean, you know, I disagree with a lot
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: of things that Pearl says. I get her credit for
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: criticizing feminists when it's due, but she is a trad
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: con I am not, so we would have a lot
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: of disagreements on certain things.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I think she would refer to herself as
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: a patriarchist or something like.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Even more, well, she.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Calls herself the female Andrew tape.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well does she call herself that? Or yes?
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: I know the media calls her that but okay, but yeah.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: So what else? What else? What else? Oh?
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you, I'd like to get some
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: of the other panelists on our show and talk to
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: them a little bit more, because I don't think the
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: format of Jubilee is a really great way to see
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: what people really believe, which is why I believe that
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: these like longer discussions one on one are better. So
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: if you have people's contact info, maybe, if you don't mind,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: you could ask, like, I don't know who you have
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: in touch, in touch with Nico Ariel and maybe even
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: some people on the feminist side. I'm not really sure,
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: you know how how they would feel about that.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, uh, Nico's channel is relatively easy to find.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, all the contact links are on the Jubilee video.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: So you got to get to Pearl faster than I can.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Well, Pearl hypothetically is supposed to come on our show
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: at some point, but she hasn't. She hasn't been really
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: you know, great at like coming with the back and forth.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: But I'm not put I'm not I'm not worried about Pearl.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: I know that she's doing other things. I'm more so
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: interested in talking to Ariel and Nico.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, uh, well, Ariel follows me on YouTube, so I'm
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: sure I can get a line to him.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, why not? Sure? Okay?
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I guess I don't know if is there anything
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: else about this experience that.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: You wanted to stay or mention to our audience.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: It's just, you know, to me, that was not a
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: men's rights versus feminist debate. A men's rights verse feminist
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: debate should be about the issues, not what do you
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: feel about motherhood or what do you think about Andrew Tate?
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Those questions are just boring to me.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: It should have been about economics. It should have been
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: about employment. It should have been about homelessness. It should
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: have been about welfare laws. It should have been about
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: is this law fair, is this law unfair? You know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: et cetera. You know why I've always fallen behind in school.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: That is, to me, what a good men's rights feminist
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: debate looked like. I also want to remind people, because
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I know some of your audience says this is about
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: me quite often, that I'm not aggressive enough, that I'm
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: too soft, or that I'm secretly a feminist. Even remember
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I was at the mercy of their producers. So I
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: had to be very very careful and very very calculating
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: with what I said because I had no idea if
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: they were just going to do a total hit job.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: They had reaction shots that were out of my control.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: So I was, you know, playing it safe, and I was,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I was playing it careful. It's very easy to look
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: back after and say, oh, I should have said that,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: you should have said this, But when you're actually in
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: the moment, it's a different story. And I was very
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: careful not to make a mistake.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Well it looks like some people are saying that they
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: didn't really think you're a secret feminist. But again, our
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: audience is a mixed bag. Some people are you know,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: they don't tell anybody.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: And there's this YouTube channel they're obsessed with me. They're
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: called them a shield for men or something. I mean,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: these guys like make like these crazy videos about me.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: They're obsessed. It's actually quite funny.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: M I never heard of them, but.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: You want a good laugh, you can check them out.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll look them up. Maybe maybe they make videos
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: about other people.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, you know what, this has been a
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: much better fun than the other one.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I gotta admit, though the only one was hilarious.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: I was like, can we leave this up? But no,
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: we're gonna. We're gonna do you a solid and leave
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: that one private. So and this is a lot more productive.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, come on, come on, you gotta you
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: gotta gotta.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that it's Allison's call. Well, well we might,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: we might have to do that, but but you never.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: See that video. Ship should never be allowed to see
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: the light of day.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, all right, Well what do you what's next
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: for you? What do you got going on? Like you're
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: gonna do any other appearances? I know you made a
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: video just yesterday about hooking.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: You want to bring it? You really want to up?
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: You brought it up?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't, Okay, Okay, So I'm trying. I'm gonna try
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: this thing where I'm not going to make any original
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: content until I score authentic old school hook up. Okay,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: no tender, no bumble, no hinge. That means you meet
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: a woman you've never met before and you sleep with
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: her the very same night. I can't remember the last
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: time I did that, like five years ago, four years ago?
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Does does that even still happen? I don't know.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: So so what's the purpose of the experiment. What are
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: you trying to?
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: What's your you know, like, what's your theory?
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I guess, Oh, I don't know. I just do a
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: lot of crazy shit for no reason, you know.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: I see, Okay, it could be something to where like
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: you're you know, you could because we talk a lot
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: about dating on the show. It's not like they're not
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: men's rights issues, but there is something about the relationship
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: between men and women that we think is extremely important
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: to like observe and look at, because feminism isn't just
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: messing with our laws and our policies and our politics
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: and our culture, but it's also making it harder for
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: men and women to come together because women are very
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: fearful of men. They're very distrust full of men, and
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: it's making men suspicious of women because of the laws
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: and stuff.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: You know. Like there was a video I saw on TikTok.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: I don't have TikTok, but I saw somebody else responding
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: to it, or a woman was basically saying, why aren't
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: men approaching me?
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Why aren't they talking to me?
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: Why don't they just say, can you know, why are
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: they asking if they can kiss me? Things like that,
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: and the list of responding.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Well, where's that? Yeah, exactly.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: But also you can go to jail like it's it's
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: not like it was before where you kind of like
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: try to read the room, and especially because you know,
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: you run into like some guy and he's a little
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: bit introverted on the spectrum whatever, and he's like, oh,
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: is this a good time to like try to initiate
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: something or whatever, so they're more likely to just be like,
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask, and this girl is like, well, that's.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: A turn off, so don't do that, right.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: So what I'm getting from that is that, you know,
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: what we have seen is is that it's been made
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: very difficult.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: For men and women to come together.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: And the fact is is that most men and women
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: want to be with other men and or women, right,
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: and so, like the dating scene is a mess right now.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: It's an absolute mess, and most of it is because
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: men are just like I'm not going to participate. The
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: risk is too high, you know, the me too movement's
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: gone too far.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: So when you said that, that's what I thought you
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: were kind of like, you know, relating it to.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Well, when you think about it, it's going to be
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: extra difficult because I mean morally speaking, I kind of
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: have to tell her that Listen, you know I'm a
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: YouTuber and you know this story is going to be
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: on YouTube. I'm not going to share any details or anything.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: And then inevitably she's going to ask, well, what kind
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: of YouTube channel do you have? And I'm gonna be.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Like, uh, that's a test right, it's the men's right channel,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: But like what I mean, if the woman says, oh,
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: that's neat and interesting, please tell me more, then you
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: know that you found out a woodhorn. So but if
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: she says, ew, give me the ick, then now you
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: at least you don't waste more time and money on them.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: So but anyway, Uh, that sounds great. What else you
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: got going on?
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: So that sounds say what you mean? It sounds fucking insane,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: is what it sounds. What what I'm doing?
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Oh your video?
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, that's great, lunatic?
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Well why did you design to do it?
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Because I'm a lunatic?
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Well that that's fair that you probably are the most
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: crazy person on that panel that was coming across as
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: the least crazy yeah, yeah, like Patrick Bateman type shit.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: But do you listen to Huey Lewis and the news?
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: But anyway, good for you, Marty, tell me, you know,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: tell me you know that.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know that, Marty. Good for you, Marty. Is
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: that back to the future?
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Good for you, Marty. No, it's I don't want to
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: ruin it. It's uh, watch, I don't know anything, just
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: just watch.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: It, will fear. I don't think I've ever seen that.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Edward. It was Edward Norton's very first performance.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, I figured you'd know that, and you're doing
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: Edward Norton that. Yeah, okay, all right, well anyway, okay,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: so we're gonna we're gonna end the show here. But
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: thank you Thomas for coming on the show, and thank
• 1:00:24
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• 1:00:26
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• 1:01:06
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• 1:01:08
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• 1:01:09
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• 1:01:11
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• 1:01:16
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• 1:01:18
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• 1:01:22
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• 1:01:24
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• 1:01:27
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• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:36
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• 1:01:38
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• 1:01:40
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