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Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior · Citizen Frame

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Music.
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Warrior of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roller! The offer is closed.
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Too late for deals? No deals. I want to drive the truck.
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Why? Quite a big change of heart. Believe me, I haven't got a choice.
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And how do you think you'd do it? I mean, look at you. You couldn't even drive a wheelchair.
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You should look at yourself, Max. You're a mess. Come on, cut the crap.
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On the best chance you've got.
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Music.
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I can't stop laughing i'm
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actually continuing guys the podcast the last
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one i'm still laughing for absolutely no reason he's super well apparently yeah
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yeah hi on life yeah all right guys we're here to talk a film i remember seeing at showtime,
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a cable company i saw in 83 i believe this is my first introduction to mad max
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was road warrior because we know it's viewed as world warrior we didn't realize
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mad max was a film really Now Mad Max eventually did well,
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but again, it didn't find its core audience right off the start.
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And it was just getting released on video, I believe in the States.
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So we didn't know that this was a Mad Max 2 or if there was even a Mad Max 1.
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So that's why they changed it just to the World Warrior.
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Like most Mad Max films, they all play like a single one-off film anyway.
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Yeah, standalones anyway, yeah.
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Yeah. So George Miller's back. I didn't give a shout out to a young producer named Brian Kennedy.
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He produced both these films and he was right-hand man of George Miller there.
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Sadly, died at the age of 33 in a helicopter crash.
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So yeah, we never got to see what other wonderful projects he could have brought to the table.
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Yeah. But yeah, I just want to give him a quick shout out there before I forget. So there you go.
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Now in this one, Mad Max has 16 lines of dialogue.
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But, you know, it works because that's who his character is.
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And whenever he does speak, you're sort of hanging on his words.
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So it totally works for me. No, I mean, yeah, he's a drifter.
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So he's not going to make conversation. That's not what he's about.
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The bad match we knew in the beginning of the original one, he was a talker
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and a family man. Well, that's been taken from him. Yes.
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Yeah. This is who we get. On hinge to Max.
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Yeah. Yep, and again, reflecting back onto the Man with No Name trilogy of Cleanius
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Wood. Cleanius Wood's the exact same way.
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Totally. This film cost 10 times the budget of the original.
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This one cost a little over $3 million.
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Big hit for him, $24 million and growing. The movie's still beloved today.
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A lot of people do believe that The Road Warrior is the best of all of them,
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including the wonderful, wonderful Fury Road, which I think is pretty much a
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masterpiece in filmmaking.
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Making, we're still going to talk about Furiosa too, but even how wonderful,
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a wonderful free road is, and we did a podcast on that one, but we will be redoing
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it, obviously for this retrospective, even because I've watched them all kind of fresh,
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I still think Road Warrior is by far the best in the franchise.
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I agree. It's the ultimate Mad Max film.
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It is. and the ultimate car chase film. It is so simplistic in its storytelling.
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With very, I quite frankly, really cool and quite frankly, deep characters.
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This is kind of the one where we start to realize Mad Max is not really the
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focal point of this, like we mentioned in the last one.
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So we're going to dive into this one pretty quick here and do what we always do with the Mad Max film.
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It wouldn't be a Mad Max film without the title, without these characters.
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We got Max, Gyro Captain, Papagallo, Wes. I love Wes.
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Very well is the man. And we got the humongous, the toady, the feral kid,
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the warrior woman, and the captain's girl.
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Well, can I just say, just before we go on, the warrior woman,
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she appeared in some episodes of Australian soap opera Home and Away back in the 90s.
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There you go. Just thought I'd like to slip that in there.
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I'm not even making that up. It's true. I love how you sit there and say,
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I'm not even making that up.
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It's true. like it's a fucking fact we give a
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shit about for some mad reason i
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have become over the years a bit of a
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sort of expert on cult australian soap operas through not
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intentional but i just happened to pick this
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absolute irrelevant nonsense up over the years so
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there you go you know what you
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finally said something you and i agree on irrelevant nonsense
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concepts but here yeah there
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you go it's useless information but there you go again
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back to back something we agree on useless information but it's good for podcasts
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and like radio shows and stuff people enjoy those little tidbits yeah she was
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coming away yeah that other woman yeah she was in prisoner cell blockage that
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guy there yeah i played the fourth cyberman and the doctor who Who adventure from the 60s?
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Oh my God. Yeah, the listeners are going to go, you know what?
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I thought Road Warrior was good, but that warrior woman, she has to have a career.
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I got to look her up. Homeward away.
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Oh, fuck. All right. So this, Mad Max, has been discussed. The last one, this is after the...
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This is now the post-apocalyptic world. Yes, the nuclear war has happened.
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And we even get, at the very beginning, we get like a sort of...
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Yeah, a breakdown. We get sort of flashbacks. Yeah.
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Yeah. And the narration. Well, and we'll later find out who the narration is
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by, but we'll not spoil it just yet, because it's pretty cool, actually.
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It's the kid. Yeah. Yeah, I know. No, but we're saving that for later on.
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Everyone knows it's the kid. I knew it was the kid. Well, people who haven't seen it don't know that.
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Well, why do they fucking listen to the podcast if they haven't seen it?
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Because they might be interested in going and watching it.
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But they don't have to now because we're just watching the shit out of it. Yeah, yeah.
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Guys, if you want to see cool car news, bodies flying in work,
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cool car crashes, all that shit, it's all wasted now because now you know the
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little fucking feral kid is the narrator.
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Are you happy? I just think it's good.
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Again, we talk about character arcs. that's his character lark
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he goes from being literally a feral kid who just
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growls and doesn't speak to you find out later on an
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educated eloquent narrator of the story i think it's pretty cool lark a leader
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he becomes he becomes yeah he does he becomes he does become leader of this
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yeah in place we're about to talk about here yeah all right yeah because you can tell the difference.
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And obviously when he filmed Mad Max, it was more scenery involved.
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You had less scenery, but you had more, you had trees and houses and people.
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And stuff like that. Petrol stations and society was, although it was collapsing,
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it was still, there was still a semblance of it.
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Whereas here. There was some, yeah, there was functionality.
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Was, was still, was, you know, still a play there, a normality too.
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Yeah. This is just a wasteland now.
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So that's why he decided to take the sequel and put it in the heart of Australia,
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dead lands or whatever you call them.
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The wasteland. And the wastelands. And that gives us our new environment. Yep.
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There you go. Yep.
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There we are. So our first introduction is to Wes.
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I love Wes I love Wes I also I loved him in Commando Yep He's also Some steam
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Bennett Yeah that's right I think he's been a load of things Over the years
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He's still not gone about I believe No I think he's passed Oh has he?
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No I think he's still alive He's near No he's still alive And I think he's He's near 80 I believe,
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He's in that one What do you call that one We watched with
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We reviewed it All the names Just sort of escaped me Weird
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Sans He's in Weird Sans oh yeah he's got the
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cameo him and michael barryman from the hills of eyes i'm playing
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joke yeah so we meet wes and his boy
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toy i just it's not his boy toy i was reading into this and apparently george
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miller said for all of the basically the crazy characters he said to them on
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the set give yourselves your own backstory so apparently vernon and the actor
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who was playing and his sidekick, basically.
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They came to the decision that he was actually discovered by Wes out in some
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sort of, I don't know, woods or something like that there.
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But Wes is actually like a surrogate father to him and that's why he's so upset
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whenever he gets it. He gets killed. No, they're hitting it.
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I know there's the, because I mean, obviously there's the...
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Okay, he's got an adoptive son that he keeps in bondage gear, chained up to him.
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While Wes himself is Running around with leather Leather trousers with no arse
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in them Yeah well That's my normal Saturday outfit I know that's what you wore to work Oh yeah Yeah.
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There's an image we all need in our head Fuck Alright so Wes and his son According
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to you Is part of the Marauding wasteland gang run by By Humongous. The Lord Humongous.
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I love Humongous. I am a follower of Romulus. Humongous is awesome.
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I looked this up, and it's kind of creepy and kind of weird.
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We discussed this with Friday the 13th Part 3 about the mask.
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I'm going to tell you something. Somebody on Friday the 13th saw this film,
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because this came out a year before Friday the 13th Part 3.
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And this was so, the hockey mask is, I've never ever thought about a hockey
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mask and a villain before until I saw Road Warrior.
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Yep. But there's no way somebody on Friday the 13th said, guys,
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I just saw the Morn Warrior. We need to make this work.
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I mean, it's, I actually, I think I would have saw Jason Voorhees in a hockey
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mask before seeing Road Warrior as a kid.
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I saw them both as a kid, but obviously Road Warrior came before Jason adopting
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the mask, you know, the hockey mask.
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So yeah, there's definitely parallels here.
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And there's a shot when Humongous is giving a speech to the compound and you
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see the back of his head and it's very little hair.
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It kind of shows that he's got radiation poisoning or something.
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Burnt. He's badly burnt.
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He's not burned. The back of his head is badly burnt. No, it's not. Those are veins.
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Yeah, but there's burn. There's burn. No, there's not. It is heavily suggested
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he's burnt this way up. It's not. You got to get. It's not.
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George Miller said put that to bed. It's not. It's goose. This man is.
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Goose was burned alive. No, no. I'm sort of winding you up. I'm sort of winding
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you up. But it was in the original script. That your intent was to do that.
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Yes. Yes, but then they changed it. Originally, they were going to have Hugh
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Mungus being Goose, who had survived the first film, but they changed it before
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it went to the finished product.
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I think they did it because for Money Buds, I think it would be a good idea. It would be really good.
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But I get why they didn't do it because you couldn't do it. It cost too much money.
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The makeup on that body, he's burned. His whole body was fried to a crisp.
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Yeah. This man is clean-shaven.
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You see him. He's a bodybuilder. The little guy who plays him The back of his
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head is not burned He's got radiation poisoning Something is going on He's using his hair.
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Stop with the burns I swear to Christ You say burns one more time Anyway did
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you know the warrior woman Was in Home and Away.
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My point Can I please get to my point Go ahead His clean shaven head It's not really clean.
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It's got, like I said, a little fritz of hair falling out, and these veins are pulsing.
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You can see it. It's kind of a cool effect.
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It looks like the back of Jason's head. Yeah, there's definite parallels there.
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See that? There, you're welcome. No burns.
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Okay. It's a goose. Stop. No, fuck it.
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I can't do this anymore.
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Right. I like the fact they show right away when they're kind of taunting him,
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and Max has obviously got the big gun, so Wes backs down.
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Yes. But he's got that turnover truck, which is coming up. We'll plant the seed there.
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And he's getting some of the oil dripping from it. Yeah. And it's amazing.
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He shows you right away how scarce oil is.
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He even takes a handkerchief and he absorbs some of the oil that's hit in the
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ground and squeezes it into the saucepan. Brilliant touches.
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And he's putting it into the likes of, you know, even, you know,
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hubcaps and all sorts, you know, anything to get his hands onto. Yeah.
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This were also introduced. I really like seeing him. I think his name is Bruce Spencer.
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Guy's had a huge career in film. Yeah. He will make a cameo coming up.
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We won't talk about it as of yet. But I do like the gyro captain in this.
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And the reason I like this one a lot more, not a lot more,
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is that him and the gyro captain, the gyro captain almost makes you give Mad
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Max, I guess, a conscience back somewhat. He brings him back to his humanity.
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Yeah, exactly. He is, according to George Miller as well, Well,
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the General Captain is the most important character in the film because he is
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the link that brings Max back from being mad back to his humanity more.
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I mean, there's several shots where a guardian angel reference is played on where you...
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Every time he gets into trouble, Mad Max, he's there always to help him out. Yep. Yep, absolutely.
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And he comes from the skies, comes from the heavens. He comes from the skies,
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and there's an absolutely wonderful shot where he helps Max.
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We'll dive into it now since we're talking about it. Yep.
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Where Max is pretty much left for dead, and he takes a helicopter and is flying
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him back to the compound.
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And it's just a picture of him lying on this, probably whatever it is,
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on the helicopter, and you see it from above Mad Max and you see the ground below Mad Max. Yep.
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And then he looks up and he sees this figure.
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His face. Looking down at him, which is our boy.
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The gyro captain. Yeah, 100%. And he's basically the one that brings Mad Max back from the brink.
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You know, even there's a final smile at the end.
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It's the first time we see Max smile and like the two films,
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the entirety of the two films leading up to this.
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Yeah, because he come, these two ended up surviving all these chaos.
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They always see dumb luck. Yeah. And at the end, he just, he smiles at him because
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he looks at him, he just has to have a grin because he's like, fuck me.
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Totally. But yeah, the chemistry between these two is really, really good.
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And there's probably a reason why they bring him back for a little bit because
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there is these two, Mel Gibson and Bruce Spencer, I believe it's Bruce Spencer
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or Bruce Spence. Yeah, they bring him back, but he's playing a different character in the third one.
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Oh, let's jump into that later. But okay, I missed that, but it'll be interesting
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to see how that plays out then. I think he also has a cameo in Fury Road, a very small cameo.
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I can't remember. Yeah.
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But there you go. But no, Jowl Captain, he's a funny character,
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but he's a very important and pivotal character as well.
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This is just brilliant, brilliant writing and visual storytelling.
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I mean, you were talking about, you know, we don't need to be told about,
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you know, the oil is so scarce because we are showing it with the scene where
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Max is at the truck and, you know, he's desperately, you know,
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trying to, you know, soak up in a handkerchief and all. That's just brilliant visual storytelling.
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Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
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There's no need for, there's no data dump.
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Yes. There's no 20 minute exposés.
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Long-winded speech or anything. It's just done so simply and so effectively
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with that scene with the truck. 30 second shot. That's all you needed.
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So when we're first kind of introduced to the whole gang, I do like where the
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compound tries to sneak away where they'll take a couple of decoys out.
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Those poor bastards are the decoys. Yeah, the ones who were killed.
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They send the three cars out and then obviously they're being watched by the
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gang and they go after the cars as they come out and they're the decoys, the real ones leaving.
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Obviously that car gets ambushed, causing the horrible rape and you don't see it.
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I mean, they obviously pull away because George Miller knows when to cut back.
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Exactly. Yeah, and you'll find that. It's not for cheaters.
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You'll find that, we'll find that in the new ones coming up.
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He knows when to pull it back because you don't need to see it
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we know what's happening and it's not gratuitous yeah and
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that they've raped the crossbore it's like mother oh it's
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brutal yeah yeah terrible well but this is a character
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you say you really like it but you know ways why didn't you do that to her it
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is ways it's all he's one of them so he is i believe he's there yeah he's part
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of that gang that get them yeah oh yeah i can't i said like i said i like to
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see bernie wells i just not like you who like I had a hard-on for Toe Cutter. Oh, yeah.
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Well, you said, no, no, so we're fucking evens now.
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You know what I mean? No, we're not evens. No, we are. You said you loved Weds.
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I'm a fun, charming, good laugh. What, like Weds?
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You're like a sick fucker from fucking home and away and shit.
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The prison of Xbox Five, whatever the fuck that's called. I don't even know
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what that's called. Prisoner self-blockade. Get it right. Show it the respect it deserves.
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Yeah. Fuck. Thank you.
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This one's okay. We were doing pretty good there. No, you just made me go on a rant. That's on you.
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Shall we meet the feral kid? The feral kid is, we'll call him Chaka.
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When I grew up as a kid, there was a show called Land of the Lost. Yeah, that was new.
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There's a little caveman boy called Chaka. Right. This kid looks just like him,
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so we're going to call him Chaka.
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Chaka, right. Yeah. All right. Okay. I like his performance. I do a lot.
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So we're watching, we meet Hugh Mungus, right? Part of the speech.
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And he gives this big speech. And here's the funny thing is,
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he's the complete opposite of Toe Cutter.
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Oh, no, he's thinking, I want to talk sense. That's my point.
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Toe Cutter was a fucking lunatic. This guy is clearly educated.
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Yep. And he talks a lot of sense on the face of it. I'm not saying that's what he does in reality.
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And he's being polite. He's like, hey, listen.
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And here's the funny thing is, I believe him. I think he would have let these people go.
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He's honorable in his villain he would have
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had you know his dogs well you know he would
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have had might have had to unleash his dogs of war as
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he calls them the likes of ways and stuff and i love later on well i don't know
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maybe he wouldn't have because he does have to control ways at times and even
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at one point puts him onto a leash like a literal dog i mean yes he's got issues
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you know genocide No shit,
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yeah Car chasing, slaughter, torture,
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Oh, so there's another one you like Right, so you've got ways Oh yeah No, no, no.
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Why don't you just join a gang like that Oh yeah What are you talking about
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That's my Saturday night crowd,
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Guys, get the gimp outfits With the back of your leather trousers Cut out and
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the arse of them You got the assless chaps Yeah yeah and I'll hang out party
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yeah and I'll hang out with um the rival gang with Toe Cutter you know,
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that these guys would kick Toe Cutter's ass. No, they wouldn't.
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Oh, my God. Are you fucking kidding me? I'm worried about it.
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But here, did you notice as well that it's a great touch as well to be a little
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bit more serious, but there is a lot of the gang members wearing the police
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outfits from the original along with their cars.
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So it's heavily suggested that they have either robbed them off the police or
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some of the police officers from the previous one, some that we don't see on
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screen, have basically went insane as well and jumped ship to the gangs.
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So great touch. That's most likely what it is. I mean... Yeah, oh no, brilliant touch.
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So yeah, so when he gives this big speech, you got Shaka, and he throws the
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boomerang, and he kills... Toad guy.
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According to you, his adoptive son, Wes's son.
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Yes. And he goes, ape shit. Yes. And I love when he throws the boomerang again,
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and that fucking idiot tries to catch it. The toad guy, whatever you call him,
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toad master or whatever, he tries to catch it and he goes, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it.
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And it cuts his fingers off and then all of the rest of the gang of no sympathy,
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they all bust out laughing.
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So when Max makes the pact with him, I saw a tanker that could do the job.
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Or his famous line is, I'm just here for the gasoline.
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Yeah. He has He has 16 lines. Yes. And that line, he says twice.
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But he wants his vehicle back and he wants all the juice he can carry.
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Can I just say as well, the Interceptor is the fucking coolest car in cinema
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history, especially in this.
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And actually, any time I watch this, I get heartbroken when I see it destroyed later on.
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It is super crude. And it gets crushed. Yeah. It gets crushed.
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And that's why he doesn't have it in the third one, sadly. So at least it kept the continuity.
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And that's why Tom Hardy probably came back for Fury Road, because Fury Road
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technically takes place before this.
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And he has the Interceptor in that film. Yeah, yeah. So you needed a younger
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guy. Tom Hardy's a good replacement.
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I'm more of the opinion, but in my head, Cal and I are more of the opinion that
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the Tom Hardy Fury Road universe is a separate universe to the Mel Gibson.
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I know it's not, but in my head, I sort of prefer to think that it's just a
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reboot and a remake as opposed to set in the same universe.
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Well, we'll dive into it and see what happens. Maybe find little catches.
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Mel Gibson is Mad Max to me.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Always will be. Yeah.
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What I like about this film a lot actually is the fact that,
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yes, Mad Max is flawed. We know that. Yes.
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But he gets his ass kicked a lot.
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He's not fucking superhero. He's not John McClane. He's not Dirty Harry.
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He's not. He's a guy. He's grinded. Yeah.
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He's crippled. Yep. technically, and any time he tries to go outside the box,
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he gets his ass kicked here.
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He's going through hell and he continues to go through hell.
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But you're rooting for him because he's an underdog as well,
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and you have sympathy for him whenever he's getting his ass kicked or blown up or something.
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But you're also rooting for him because he's...
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He's helping these people who we've already kind of met, you know,
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the captain's girl, Papagallo, the leader, even Chaka. Yeah.
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There's a likability and cause they're human. They're normal human beings just
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looking to survive and he's going to get this truck.
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He's just doing it for himself, obviously. We know that at this point and it is, so.
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There's a glimmer of humanity there with him.
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Who's still within him. Yeah. Yeah, he acts like he's the man of McGibbon. Yeah, he wants that.
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But I think he's also doing the back of his mind, the cop, you know, the cop in him.
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It's still buried deep within him. So it is. Yeah. Yeah.
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There's a tragedy to the character as well. You know, obviously,
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you know, with his wife and child being killed, it's even referenced later on
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whenever, you know, the leader of the sort of compound is, you know,
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saying, oh, that's what it is.
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You've lost your family, you know, and that's when Max punches him.
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You know, again, brilliant visual storytelling.
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No big long-winded speech. And that's what I'm talking about from where I think
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Road Warrior is a lot smarter than people say.
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They see carnage and cool hockey masks. It's sad as well.
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And Adoptive Sons has everything that you want.
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Yeah. But there's a lot more to it. There's a lot more layers to the Road Warrior.
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Big time. Big time. But it has all the cool stuff on top of that,
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and it looks fantastic on the screen.
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So when he finally gets the truck And he's honking the horn Get the fucking
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doors open I'm coming Guess who saves the day again Gyro kid he drops the snake
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And one of the guys was about to shoot him And so yeah This is where.
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I would say as well that see the compound Guys they're Not very likable either
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you know Ultimately whenever you find out at the end That they were only using Max as bait You know.
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Yeah. He wasn't in on that? I know that. I know that. I know that.
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Yeah. But now our listener knows.
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Way to go. Way to go. Well, according to you, they'll all have seen it, so it'll not matter.
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No, no, no. You said, oh my God, the feral boy's a narrator.
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Why would you keep that important plot up? Well, they've all seen it.
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Which is not important at all.
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So there you go. The oil thing's pretty big. Yeah. That is pretty big. Way to go.
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Our young listeners, who are probably 12 or so.
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They've all seen it. I hope there's not 12-year-olds fucking listening to this
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podcast where you're potty-mouthed. They're listening, and they'll be like, fuck, man.
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Yeah, Kieran, he really wants me to watch this film. I hope there's no twists. Boom.
26:48
Little Jimmy. Little Jimmy's listening to us right now, probably in Pennsylvania.
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And one of our new listeners is crying his heart out because he knows the twist now of Mad Max.
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Way to go. And seeing that when I was 12, I was watching nice films like Hellraiser
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and The Evil Dead and stuff, and things like The Road Warrior and the first
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Mad Max. When you're in 12, you're in fucking padded cells somewhere, you fucking freak.
27:12
I was literally just in Voorhees.
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Yeah. So when he does go back and he says, no, they all hug him.
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Oh, I really appreciate everything you've done.
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I think you're kind of wrong judging them based on what they did. They didn't.
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No, it was the leader that had on him. It wasn't like the regular sort of community
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method. Yeah, I understand, but they're not bad people.
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I think you're wrong on that. When you first heard it, you're like.
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Do they, though? Well, a leader does. I don't even know. No, I don't.
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I was there in the bus with the gasoline. But he's there.
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Papago gets killed. He's there to sell them that this truck has gas in it.
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So he sacrifices himself as well.
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All these people do. The lawyer woman sacrifices himself.
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They all do. Maybe betrayal is too strong a word.
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It is because he's getting. The bus is full of the younger people,
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including the captain's girl, the younger girl.
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And so he's trying to get them. He's self-sacrificing himself to get them out
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of there. I'm sorry, man.
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But they do mislead. I mean, they do mislead him. But at the end of the day,
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they don't corroborate him.
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No, it's not about that. It's about, how do I explain it? The bigger picture
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of getting the younger ones.
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It doesn't matter what his job is. His job was just to take that truck out of
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there. He doesn't care what's in it.
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It has nothing to do with what's in it. It has to do with his job is just to take that truck.
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That's it. But he was led to believe that the truck contained the gasoline,
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which didn't. It was just a bait. But who cares?
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I fucking care because it was the fucking Max Uber.
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They didn't fuck that. I disagree with that 100%. You know what?
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Let's go. Okay, calm down. Everyone calm down. I'm calm.
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Calm down. Whoa, whoa, calm down. Don't make me angry You would like me When
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I'm angry I don't like you period So there you go We have to get that Out of
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the way right now Alright Fucking Lover of Fucking humongous In ways.
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So listen Let's go back To what we're starting Because we're just Going on a
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rant now And Jimmy's upset You've already ruined Jimmy's experience So Jimmy
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can't Watch this film now He doesn't need to watch it He's too young for it Anyway So,
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When you first meet the people in the compound, all right, they're kind of assholes.
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Now, I get that because he's an outsider.
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When he does come back to back up his word, they're all like,
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oh, you're a hero. And then he's like, whoa, whoa, ladies and gentlemen, that's it. I'm done.
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I'm not doing anything else. And
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that's when you're talking about when Papagallo kind of goes off on him.
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We've all lost somebody, you know, but we're here to survive.
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We're trying to rebuild.
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You're nothing. You know, and that's where he kind of, Max goes off on him.
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Yeah. Yeah, but again, when he leaves, one of the guys goes,
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let's take his fucking car, he's an asshole.
30:07
Papa Gallo takes everything back, says to him, and says, no,
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he's an audible man. He honored his contract.
30:14
So I respected him, that character. So when he comes back and backs up everything
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he was going to say, all the town folk kind of support him. I'm like,
30:23
yeah, okay, this guy's pretty cool.
30:24
So Papa Gallo, it's Papa Gallo that basically,
30:29
basically i love that they would have known about it as well obviously because they
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are in the bus with the real gasoline but no i mean
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fair enough but you know i do love
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the scene where max does return and says you know if it's all the same to you
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i'll drive that tanker and your mom goes no it's okay i'm gonna drive it he
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goes and he gives him this bit of a speech and max just goes cut the crap and
30:50
he goes all right well there you go you can drive it so when max does leave this is when
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the Interceptor gets destroyed and they kill his dog, poor doggie.
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Yeah, I know. The Interceptor and the dog both got it, which really made me sad.
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Well, I would say I'm actually going to go back on something and actually sort
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of shockingly agree with you.
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Papagallo was originally supposed to drive the tanker, so he was going to bait himself.
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I just, you know, would have had himself as bait driving the tanker with no
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gasoline in it. So, fair enough. But I still think they should have told Max.
31:22
Also, that also backs up my point why Papagaio was hesitant of him doing it
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because he knew what the outcome might be. Yeah.
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Boom, in your face. They still should have told him. In your face.
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We just got Jimmy back as a listener. Boom. They still should have told him.
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Anyways. Jesus. 20 minutes of that.
31:43
Anyways, the dog's dead. Sadly, yeah.
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You know what's funny? I usually catch little things. I totally forgot about
31:51
the booby trap. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know I forgot about it as well.
31:55
And so I was like, how is he going to get out of this? He's fucked.
31:58
Yeah. And then the booby trap blows up the car.
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Yeah. Now there's a nice shot when he's crawling up this little hill.
32:04
And he's all bloodied. He's all bloody and stuff. But what Luke Miller does,
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he makes the camera a little blurry and fuzzy and wavy.
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Like we're feeling his nauseousness and his haziness.
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It's a nice way of putting us in Max's shoes. Yeah. And then we get that beautiful
32:24
shot, again, with the gyrocopter helping him.
32:29
A beautiful shot of the landscape of Australia as he's being airlifted back
32:35
to the compound. Yes. Nice.
32:38
Yeah. Nice. And I like Max's turn when either way, whether they fucked Max over
32:45
or not, he wanted this, oil or not.
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And it wasn't because I'm going to save the women and children.
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He didn't give a shit at that point. He wanted them dead.
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He was fine to be the bait. I honestly think that because he wants to take these
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fuckers out. They took out his fucking car.
33:04
They killed his dog, which is probably his only best friend.
33:07
He's also a bit of a death wish himself anyway.
33:10
Yeah. He's like, fuck it. I'm driving. No matter what.
33:14
He told her, I'm going to tell you, no, fuck you. I'm taking it. it
33:17
so a he put that in his own hands nobody else
33:20
made him do it but mainly he's yeah you're
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right he's got death was this guy is a kamikaze pilot he's lost point he's basically
33:27
martin riggs before martin riggs yeah in the australian wasteland and i don't
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mean that like the martin riggs as a series of lethal weapon progresses i'm
33:36
talking about the martin riggs
33:37
of the the first lethal weapon the suicidal no case yeah exactly yeah.
33:44
McGeer too, and they wrote Lethal Weapon. Oh, there's definitely shades of...
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Oh, 100%. There's definitely shades.
33:50
Because, you know what? Gibson, especially back then, does that quirky,
33:53
deranged humor, demented humor very well.
33:56
You know, even, you know, in one of the opening scenes with the gyro captain
33:59
when they first meet, you know, he's like, you know, he's got the gyro captain
34:03
with the gun to him and stuff, you know, and he's got that quirky sort of Aussie,
34:06
you know, likable humor going on. So yeah, he does that very well.
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The Now, this is it.
34:17
The final 20 minutes of this film is pure carnage, car chase-fueled adrenaline,
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and to this day, probably, if not the best car chase of all time.
34:34
Do you not think that the tree-in sequence in Keith Solomon's Minds is better?
34:40
You know what? But I did miss a good gay rape attempt.
34:45
With balls getting blown off with a shotgun from under. In all fairness,
34:48
we did have a gimp, but you ruined that moment because you said it was his adoptive son.
34:53
Maybe he's both. Maybe he's his gimp and his son.
34:56
So, yeah. Wow. Well, I mean, that is the wasteland. But yes,
35:00
yeah, brilliant. I mean, iconic cinematic.
35:04
To your sequence? I mean, yeah, we can't really discuss it. You got to see it.
35:07
I mean, there's not, I mean, there's. It's an adrenaline fix.
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One shot with a poor bastard in the back of the truck. Yeah.
35:15
They try to hook it with a car to break down this little paddy,
35:19
this little barrier that he has in the back of the truck.
35:22
And he's throwing, you know, little mines and Molotov cocktails and out there.
35:26
Yeah. And the car can't handle it. The idiots, bad guys, their car can't handle it.
35:31
So it just starts tumbling. And there's this long shot of this actual truck
35:35
pulling this sand buggy. Yes.
35:39
And it's just flipping and flying and flipping and flying. People are in the
35:42
car just getting crushed.
35:43
Yeah. It's just amazing. And then you have Humongous coming in.
35:47
He's got these two poor bastards in front of his car.
35:52
And he crashes into that guy, that back end of the truck.
35:57
He says, fuck it, I'll take care of it. And you see the blood from the heads of those poor bastards.
36:02
Hitting the truck, and then obviously taking down the guy in the back of the oil rig.
36:08
And it's a great shot because the great thing about Miller, usually with this
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kind of stuff, it's mannequins.
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Fast, quick, get it done. Oh, this is a stunt movie. People?
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No, this is not a stunt. This was not. What?
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What part are you talking about? We're talking about the poor bastard in the
36:26
back of the truck who's throwing body cup cocktails at everybody.
36:29
They're trying to get him down. They're trying to pull out a car.
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But it's a stuntman up to a certain point Up to a certain point it is Yes.
36:38
Dude you're interrupting me
36:40
I'm telling the shot And you're jumping ahead that's your problem Go ahead,
36:45
Oh my god if this was Home and Away You'd be like tell me more Kieran Home and
36:50
Away is even more exciting than this That's terrible Please,
36:55
Go ahead Go ahead.
36:58
So he's not afraid, despite it being a mannequin, he pulls it out and he shows it in slow-mo.
37:04
And the guy's thing falls down and he gets, it's on fire because he drops one
37:10
of the cocktails on himself.
37:12
And it comes down and you see the body on fire and it's in slow-mo and it's
37:18
beautifully shot of all this carnage.
37:21
George Miller has no fear of showing it because he knows he's going to hide
37:27
that it's a mannequin or something else. You don't notice it.
37:31
It's just so beautifully shot. It is beautifully shot.
37:35
And everything, and then even when War A Woman gets it, you feel sorry because
37:39
you like the character, even though she had a small, you know, very few lines.
37:42
Papagallo as well. But Papagallo gets it in the back with the big spear.
37:46
Yeah. Yeah. That training thing. Yeah.
37:49
And then you got the little feral boy, which is a wonderful ending because he's
37:53
in the front and he's going to get the last bullet.
37:55
Yes. And they have one last bullet to end this thing, and then Vernon Wells. Wes pops up again.
38:01
Wes is going nuts. He pops up at the front, and again, we get that toe-cutter
38:07
ending where pretty much Humongous sacrifices himself.
38:12
He says, no matter what, you're not getting away.
38:15
And he smashes into the truck head-on, crushing obviously Wes.
38:19
Even that shot, it was like so incredible. You saw every piece of the vehicle.
38:25
Yeah. Do you know what I mean? The truck flipping over and flipping over and
38:28
flipping over. And you think, the first time you watch this,
38:31
you think, whoa, that's it? It's over?
38:33
You know what I mean? The gasoline is, you know what I mean?
38:36
It's screwed, the gasoline on the truck. You know, their plan is blown.
38:41
But then you get the final twist about what's really in the truck.
38:45
Yeah, they were the decoy. Which is funny because they do plant that seed.
38:50
When I mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, they set up these little decoys.
38:53
And then when the bad guys go after them, they send out the real van behind them.
38:59
So they kind of did plant that seed that, you know, but you kind of forget about it.
39:08
It's more in hindsight that you realize it, these things.
39:12
But yeah. Gold wire. And then it's revealed that the community, the ones who survived,
39:18
made it to this far away land, thousands of away and restarted and built a proper
39:24
community and the gyro captain was their new leader and then eventually the feral kid,
39:31
But they never saw Mad Max ever again, the Road Warrior. No.
39:35
But sadly, Tina Turner will.
39:39
Wow. Not the entity. There we go, people.
39:42
Road Warrior is probably, it's easily my top 20 films of all time. It's superb.
39:47
It's one of my favorites as well. It is an amazing film.
39:51
We don't do it justice just talking about it. Yeah. In fact,
39:54
we didn't. We argued most of the time. Yeah. But it is brilliant.
39:57
It's one of my all-time favorites. it guys check
40:01
it out and if you oh you know
40:03
i mean i know you have and you only listen to this podcast yeah well
40:08
jimmy's hopefully jimmy i'm i
40:11
apologize for trevor ruining it for you but you
40:14
you you can do it buddy you can watch stop talking
40:17
to imaginary if we made up characters again you're always
40:21
so we'll leave this wonderful osploitation universe this wonderful wasteland
40:28
this wonderful grindhouse raw violence and gritty drama and playful banter to Tina Turner.
40:39
We don't need another hero. Fuck.
40:44
There you go. I mean, if Mad Max has a theme song, we got a problem.
40:49
And even worse, it was PG-13.
40:52
And it became Hollywoodized, sadly.
40:56
And we'll jump into it. I'm going to read a little more up on it to see why George Miller did this.
41:02
Apparently, apparently, I'm going to have to confirm this. No,
41:05
don't say it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to have to confirm this,
41:08
but I'm just setting it up.
41:09
Apparently, George Miller only in part directed it.
41:12
I'll always credit it as just the only director on it. Apparently,
41:15
he was doing something else and he only in part directed it.
41:20
There's got to be something going on. It's almost like what happened in Carpenter with Halloween 2.
41:24
Rick Rosenthal directed Halloween 2. Despite me liking it, rumor has it,
41:28
it was because he was contracted and it was his baby, he jumped in and did some
41:33
reshoots and some editing.
41:34
Yes. To clean it up a bit. I have a feeling he's, George Miller's a Warner Brothers guy.
41:40
He's contracted to them at this point. Yeah. He was directing at this point, Witches of Eastwick.
41:45
I think there was a place there. So something, something, we'll look into it
41:50
and you guys tune in. We'll find out. To be continued.
41:54
Yeah. We'll find out what happened with Mad Max Beyond the Thunderdome.
41:57
All right, guys, thanks for listening.
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And it's just some good playful rant there. And just hope you just enjoyed it
42:05
and had a good laugh at our expense. Or at least Trevor's expense.
42:09
No Karens, you know, Karens. No, they say too charming, too charming.
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All right, guys, thanks for giving us a listen. Give us a shout at citizenframe
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We'll chat soon and we will be back.
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That's all I got. Have a good night.
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Music.