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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, October 23 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Family, not him. He stood there, He waited patiently for
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Speaker 1: the cameras to get there. Irish said the whole nine yards,
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Speaker 1: which takes a moment or two. It's not like radio
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Speaker 1: where you just stick a mic in his face, smile,
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Speaker 1: did all the interviews, answered every question. He is an
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Speaker 1: absolute bro, the kind of guy that you want to
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Speaker 1: earn all nine million dollars. He's deserved every penny he's
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Speaker 1: gotten so far. All right, that's now it's time to
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Speaker 1: move on because obviously the big story is the quarterback issue,
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Speaker 1: and it you know, John has a sting and he
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Speaker 1: likes to say it will be it'll be story until
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Speaker 1: it's not um and it will be a story until
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Speaker 1: Blake Bortles plays well enough that it's not a story.
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Speaker 1: But he's going to get the chance to play. That's
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Speaker 1: their story. So let's start with big thing one. This
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Speaker 1: big thing one is the quarterback. We heard Don Morown's
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Speaker 1: team statement yes say that Blake Bortles is the starter.
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Speaker 1: They send this press conference yesterday. No position is safe.
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Speaker 1: In other words, every time you make a decision for someone,
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether it's a quarterback or anyone else. You know,
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Speaker 1: you look at yourself you. Okay, hey, you're in there,
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Speaker 1: you're playing. Let's go, you know, until it comes to
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Speaker 1: a point where that performances hurting the team, no matter
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Speaker 1: what position. And once that performance has hurting the team
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Speaker 1: and it's and and it's truly put on that player
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Speaker 1: for his performance and not other factors that come involved,
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Speaker 1: you know, then you got you gotta go make a
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Speaker 1: decision and go go someone else, no matter what position is, offense, defense,
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Speaker 1: special teams, any of it. So I get the anst
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Speaker 1: around this. But John and I talked yesterday, and I'm
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Speaker 1: sorry you were here too. Uh. The conversation was why
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Speaker 1: we thought Blake should be the starter. And it was
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Speaker 1: funny to to follow Twitter from a lot of the
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Speaker 1: people who were in that press conferment. Oh they're going
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Speaker 1: with Kessler. The body language, the words he used, I
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Speaker 1: never thought they were. Um. This team Ashlyn was built
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Speaker 1: both on the field and through the salary cap, to
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Speaker 1: play a particular style of football, and Blake Bortles is
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Speaker 1: the quarterback that gives them the best chance to play
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Speaker 1: this style of football. Now you may say I don't
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Speaker 1: want to play the style of football anymore. I don't
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Speaker 1: want him on the field anymore, all the turnovers. So
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Speaker 1: this is where I put a tweet out last night
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Speaker 1: and people wanted to argue with it, but you can't.
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Speaker 1: He is tied. Your salary cap dictates what you are. Right.
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Speaker 1: It's the sum of all the decisions that you make
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Speaker 1: that you tie into the salary cap. And the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: made a decision. It's a two year decision to play
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Speaker 1: this kind of football. So he has a sixteen point
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Speaker 1: five million dollar dead cap hit in. In other words,
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Speaker 1: if you cut him, you're eating sixteen point five million dollars. Wow.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars made a decision in this past spring and
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Speaker 1: they looked at the totality of their salary cap. Right.
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Speaker 1: Please keep in mind that even at the number that
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Speaker 1: he's playing with as a starting quarterback in the game,
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars are playing below market value for a starting quarterback.
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Speaker 1: You're not paying seven, which is what Kirk Cousins got
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Speaker 1: on a fully guaranteed deal in Minnesota. So they made
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Speaker 1: the deal that this was the way they were going
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Speaker 1: to play. Keep in mind, a lot of the defensive
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Speaker 1: contracts are coming up this year to a point where
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Speaker 1: you can move on after this year, but after now
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Speaker 1: you have to start thinking about paying Jalen Ramsey Unique
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Speaker 1: and gock Way Miles jack One. You have to make
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Speaker 1: a decision on Leonard for Nett, there's this window right
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Speaker 1: here where they can play the style of ball eighteen
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Speaker 1: and nineteen, maybe twenty if it goes well. I get
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Speaker 1: you're saying, well, it's not going well, okay, But the
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Speaker 1: reality of it is is that Blake Bortles is the
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Speaker 1: best decision on the field and off because after seven
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Speaker 1: games he is still the best chance you have to
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Speaker 1: play the style of football that got them to the
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Speaker 1: a f C Championship Game last year. You can't get
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Speaker 1: away from that. I get it, it's not not going
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Speaker 1: well right now, but keep in mind down to left tackles.
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Speaker 1: You're playing with Josh Walker, a journeyman guard at left tackle,
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Speaker 1: and you asked him to stop Jadavian Clowney or Whitney Merciless.
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Speaker 1: Come on, okay. If you have Austin Seferian Jackets who
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Speaker 1: you don't, you can set him out there and you
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Speaker 1: can still have some flexibility in your scheme. But you don't.
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Speaker 1: You didn't have James O'Shaughnessy, who is not that God.
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Speaker 1: Here's why I think it gives you the best chance.
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Speaker 1: You're putting Carlos high in. You're gonna have a power
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Speaker 1: running game for the first time this year. You have
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Speaker 1: not had what you thought you were going to be
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Speaker 1: this year. Now, Doug said yesterday, and I thought this
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Speaker 1: got overlooked by a lot of folks, and maybe it's
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Speaker 1: because they've heard something similar before. But his words were,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna get him on the practice field. We're going
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Speaker 1: to get him on the practice field. So now, if
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Speaker 1: you have hid in for net, I don't know whether
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Speaker 1: you have it this week or not, but if you
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Speaker 1: have it coming off the buy, you have hammer hammer
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Speaker 1: t j Yelden gets to play the style that he's
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Speaker 1: most accustomed to. Right. You still have questions at left
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Speaker 1: tackle and tight end, but at least you have a
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Speaker 1: chance to play the style. And that's the way this
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Speaker 1: team was built for eighteen and nineteen. And that cap
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Speaker 1: figure is significant because let's say that the defense picks
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Speaker 1: it up with the power running game, taking some of
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Speaker 1: the pressure off. Remember this was a team that played
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Speaker 1: with the lead when they won last year. If they
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Speaker 1: pick it up, you have big contracts with Callias, with
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Speaker 1: Marcel and with Mali. You have some flexibility. You can
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Speaker 1: take some of the salary because they become more salary
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Speaker 1: as opposed to bonus the dead hit. It's small their
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Speaker 1: savings if you cut them in other words, and you
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Speaker 1: can maneuver and create some salary cap space because they're
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Speaker 1: over the cap next year. Right now they're sitting over
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Speaker 1: the cap. They can get under the camp they start
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Speaker 1: whacking players, but you don't want to do that if
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Speaker 1: you think you have a chance to play that style
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Speaker 1: of football. Again in the decision they made for Boardles,
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Speaker 1: and it's not well, he makes more money, so he's
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Speaker 1: got to play. It's we're married to this guy for
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Speaker 1: this year and next. We thought we'd play a specific size,
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Speaker 1: specific brand of football, and we're not giving up on
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Speaker 1: it after seven games with all the injuries. We're committed
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Speaker 1: to it. That's the decision at quarterback, which is why
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Speaker 1: both John and I thought yesterday the decision was Bortles right.
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Speaker 1: If you look at it financially, the decisions borders. I
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Speaker 1: love what John said yesterday about like Bortles does not
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Speaker 1: do this, He does not bring the team up, which
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Speaker 1: is why you need Carlos Hide and London front back
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Speaker 1: in the running game to get back to the formula
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Speaker 1: and when people play well around Boardles, he plays well. Right.
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Speaker 1: If you want to critique the fact that they didn't
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Speaker 1: draft Patrick Mahomes, fair game. Right. If you want to
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Speaker 1: say Lamar Jackson, and there's been some of that, hold
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Speaker 1: on on that one. If you want to say they
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have kept like Boardles, okay, but understand the cap ramifications.
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Speaker 1: Understand the philosophical decision that was made based on both
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Speaker 1: on the field talent and salary cap resources to put
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Speaker 1: that together for this window. It can change after but
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Speaker 1: right now, present time, absolutely all the pieces in place,
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Speaker 1: both the quarterback, the defenders, the young defenders that you
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Speaker 1: pay after nineteen and then Leonard for Nett, who well
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Speaker 1: and right now you're thinking, well, I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: pay him his fifth year option. I mean he can't
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Speaker 1: stay healthy. Um, that could change. You could come back
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Speaker 1: and have a rampage from this point forward. He could
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Speaker 1: do what Fred Taylor did, which was bounced back after
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Speaker 1: that really injury filled second season of his and and
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Speaker 1: run for eleven thousand yard. It could happen. I don't
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Speaker 1: see it happening, but it could. But this is a
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Speaker 1: window and philosophically, they have put themselves in a position
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Speaker 1: to play in that, which is why Salary Cap says
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Speaker 1: Bortles is your quarterback, right. I agree with more Own's decision,
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Speaker 1: and I think it's good that he lit a fire
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Speaker 1: almost under Boardles with Cody Cussler right behind him. You
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Speaker 1: saw it happened with Shad Henny and Bortles came out
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Speaker 1: and played consistent football for a while. So yes, he
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Speaker 1: might have a great game on Sunday, but he needs
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Speaker 1: now go play consistently. In order for him to do that,
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Speaker 1: he has to have the running game. The running game
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Speaker 1: gives him the chance to have the passing game, but
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Speaker 1: he's got to have play action, which is the thing
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Speaker 1: that he does better than anything else in his repertoire
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Speaker 1: of talent. He does play action well, makes a better quarterback.
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Speaker 1: But if you're handing off to t J Yelden, they're
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Speaker 1: going to try to stop you with six nothing against
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Speaker 1: t J. But that's not what he does. The defense
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Speaker 1: knows what they're doing, right. The power that comes with
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Speaker 1: two guys now, so there's a chance for it to
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Speaker 1: get really good here. If you can get Leonard back
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Speaker 1: on the field with Carlos hide because you can hammer, hammer, hammer.
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Speaker 1: Now you have options. Now you do what you wanted
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Speaker 1: to do coming into the season, draw the defense forward.
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Speaker 1: You don't have that tight end to drag that you
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Speaker 1: thought that you did. You're not going to have Austin
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Speaker 1: Seferian Jenkins until December if he comes back off the
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Speaker 1: injured reserve list, so you don't have that complimentary piece.
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Speaker 1: But you still have the receivers that played pretty well
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Speaker 1: across the middle against the Jets and the Patriots. So
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Speaker 1: you'd like to think that with those two running backs,
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Speaker 1: you would have a chance to be able to go
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Speaker 1: and play a really similar style of football to what
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Speaker 1: you thought you could. We got to see it, and
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Speaker 1: I get it. Bortles can't turn the ball over, can't?
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Speaker 1: We said, and and and what probably was left out
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Speaker 1: of the big quarterback announcement, Uh, they're going to take
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Speaker 1: some of the individual time that they have on the
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Speaker 1: practice field and turn it into strip hold. In other words,
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Speaker 1: hold the ball, get the ball. Because the other piece
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Speaker 1: of this for the defense is five takeaways five thirty
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Speaker 1: two a year ago. Five. Now we know the contribution
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Speaker 1: Marona is making it turnovers. You know that is bothering
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Speaker 1: him because every single press conference he brings up that
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Speaker 1: that is the biggest problem with this team now. They're
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Speaker 1: not playing their style on offense. They're not playing their
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Speaker 1: style on defense. And if you think that those are interrelated,
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Speaker 1: you're great, You're correct, all right. Big thing too is
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Speaker 1: the running back. You know that Jamal Charles was cut yesterday,
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Speaker 1: which means Carlos hide and one for that and now
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Speaker 1: have to get back into the formula round talks about
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Speaker 1: the contribution Hide we'll have with this team. Yes, well,
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Speaker 1: we'll get him up to speed as quick as we
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Speaker 1: need to get him to play. You know, what are
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Speaker 1: you expecting out of him, respecting him to be a
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Speaker 1: physical runner like he's been, like he's shown, and to
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Speaker 1: help us fit into the identity that would like if
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Speaker 1: you have Carlos on the field this week, and they will.
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Speaker 1: That was emphatically underscored by Doug yesterday after that question. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you're better than you've been in a while. If you
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Speaker 1: get Leonard for Nett on the field and you know
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Speaker 1: there's been these stores the Jaguars and I get it.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars are gonna wait, They're gonna hold him out.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna get through the by give him more time,
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Speaker 1: No way, no way. If he can practice, he plays.
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Speaker 1: He's had plenty of time now. If he can't go, well,
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Speaker 1: then obviously he needs more time. But if he can practice,
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Speaker 1: he can play. And they're not taking a patient approach
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Speaker 1: to it, well, let me let me correct you just slightly.
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Speaker 1: They've been patient with it, but they're not going to
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Speaker 1: be overly patient, overly cautious and say, well, let's just
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Speaker 1: be really cautious and wait one more week, because then
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Speaker 1: we get too with the bye. There is no one
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Speaker 1: if you can practice. And by the way, practicing means
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Speaker 1: being able to practice Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. If he goes
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Speaker 1: out and practices Wednesday hypothetically speaking, but can't practice Thursday, okay,
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Speaker 1: he hadn't ready to go, right. If he practices Wednesday
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Speaker 1: Thursday but then gets to London and is struggling with it,
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Speaker 1: all right, he's not ready. Obviously he needs more time,
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Speaker 1: but they got to get him back on the practice
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Speaker 1: field again. Go back and listen to Doug's press conference
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Speaker 1: from yesterday. It's posted on the website. You will hear
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Speaker 1: what we all heard, which is we're going to get
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Speaker 1: him back on the practice field this week. It was
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Speaker 1: said Doug has been cautious, and he stood in front
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Speaker 1: of the media and said, look, I gotta be careful
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Speaker 1: with this, the injury report thing. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: look stupid if I tell you, yes, I expected Hey
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Speaker 1: that first week, right before the Patriots game, he kept saying,
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Speaker 1: I'm optimistic, optimistic, and it came back to bid him
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Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to make that mistake. Well, yesterday
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Speaker 1: I don't think he held back. I thought you saw that.
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Speaker 1: I've been burned because I thought he was gonna play.
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Speaker 1: We thought we'd see it like, kept going back to
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Speaker 1: the optimistic. But he said yesterday that he thought he
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Speaker 1: was gettinghim back. They're going to get him back on
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Speaker 1: the practice field this week. If he can go, then
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Speaker 1: you have two power backs. We've gone over this ad nauseum.
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Speaker 1: Two power backs. It gives Blake the chance to play
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Speaker 1: his style. The running game makes this team go. They
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Speaker 1: haven't had the running game. You get it and get
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Speaker 1: back to the formula that you thought this team was
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, which is huge, which
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Speaker 1: they have to have. It's the way they played. It's
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Speaker 1: the formula thing that we talked about all last year.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars have a specific style of play. I get it.
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Speaker 1: You want to be able to air it out like
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Speaker 1: Jared Goff is doing out on the West Coast or
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in the Upper Midwest. That's not what they have.
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Speaker 1: That's not what they build. It isn't there. At some
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Speaker 1: point they'll find a quarterback who can do that at
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Speaker 1: some point in the future. It isn't what they have
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Speaker 1: right now that got to play their style of football.
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Speaker 1: They haven't been able to play their style of football.
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Speaker 1: Ports gives the best chance to play that. Yes, all right,
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Speaker 1: Big thing three is discontent, uneasy feeling around here. Have
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Speaker 1: to get back to winning football games. How do you
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Speaker 1: fight through this? Roun says, You've got to dig yourself
12:19
Speaker 1: out of the hole. You have to get everyone in
12:23
Speaker 1: in the same boat. You know, we've done this to
12:25
Speaker 1: ourselves and the only people are gonna be able to
12:28
Speaker 1: dig us out of it is ourselves. But we all
12:31
Speaker 1: have to have the same vision of how to do it.
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Speaker 1: And my thing to the team was, you know, we
12:37
Speaker 1: can go in all these different directions, but if these
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Speaker 1: two things do not change, those directions aren't gonna matter.
12:45
Speaker 1: I wonder if anybody get the literary reference there in
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Speaker 1: the headline weeks of our Discontent. Did you get him?
12:51
Speaker 1: There's been weeks of discontent, the Winter of our Discontent,
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Speaker 1: john Steinbeck. Uh. Sorry, Sometimes when things are difficult, you
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Speaker 1: try to be clever. The truth of the matter is
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Speaker 1: is Sunday was as difficult today. Um, you just got
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Speaker 1: the feeling that this thing was coming apart, slipping out
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Speaker 1: of your grasp right now. There are strong personalities in
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Speaker 1: the locker room that can hold it together, but some
13:16
Speaker 1: of the strong personalities were struggling to hold it together.
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Speaker 1: And so I asked the question yesterday of Doug, and
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Speaker 1: that was, what do you think I mean, hey, is
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Speaker 1: that his job is the code And it sounds, of course,
13:29
Speaker 1: is the coach's job in Pro Bowl. Right, in Pro Bowl,
13:33
Speaker 1: you build a locker room and you hope that those
13:35
Speaker 1: guys there can police themselves and bring it all together.
13:38
Speaker 1: Because the coach can only bang the drums so many times.
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Speaker 1: At some point they have to hold the So what
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Speaker 1: Doug's response was is that they build the framework to
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Speaker 1: win on the field that will pull them back together.
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Speaker 1: But then you hope that the guys in that locker room,
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Speaker 1: can go and grab the guys who were this right
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Speaker 1: Jaitlyn Ramsay and pull him back in. Everyone saw the
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Speaker 1: interview with him and and in his love just leave
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Speaker 1: it there. You saw trying to explain it is, but
14:12
Speaker 1: you saw the difference between his interview and someone like
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Speaker 1: Telvin's interview or Calais's interview, totally different mindset. They've got
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Speaker 1: to get it back on track. It's got to come
14:20
Speaker 1: out of the locker room. They've got to get to
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Speaker 1: a point and success on the field will obviously fuel
14:26
Speaker 1: this fire. But apparently they had a player's only meeting yesterday,
14:31
Speaker 1: and that's never a bad thing. It doesn't always turn
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Speaker 1: into a good thing in terms of creating some resolve
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Speaker 1: or some results. Uh So, we'll wait and see what
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Speaker 1: it is. But a clearing of the air. We say
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Speaker 1: this all that this is an edgy team. This is
14:45
Speaker 1: a team of guys who are hair trigger. It works
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Speaker 1: when they're winning, when they're losing. It can go the
14:52
Speaker 1: other way. It's great. It adds to it. And I
14:55
Speaker 1: said this yesterday. You've got to have some some of
14:57
Speaker 1: the Miles Jacks who are are calm and kind of
15:02
Speaker 1: let the uniques and the Jalens kind of lead the
15:04
Speaker 1: way Miles is more of a Calais type. To me,
15:07
Speaker 1: they have to kind of step up that kind of
15:09
Speaker 1: step up. They have to step up, They have to
15:11
Speaker 1: step into that rule. They have to have something to say.
15:13
Speaker 1: Barry Church needs to become. I shouldn't say needs to become.
15:16
Speaker 1: It's not my place to say that, but you know,
15:18
Speaker 1: you want to hear more of Larry Barry Church, and
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Speaker 1: you want to hear the calm Deshaun Gibson, Guys who
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Speaker 1: can say, all right, come on, we know what this
15:26
Speaker 1: defense is. You heard Mollie Jackson saying in the mic
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Speaker 1: up piece, do your job. Everybody's do your job. You
15:31
Speaker 1: want to hear more of that. You got to have
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Speaker 1: more of that. As much as the quarterback playing the
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Speaker 1: way he's supposed to play and the running game contributing
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Speaker 1: to the way that the defense plays. Everybody in that
15:45
Speaker 1: room needs to have a sense of having each other's back.
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Speaker 1: And you you heard Doug say, hold each other accountable,
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Speaker 1: pull each other together, we'll find out and look yourself
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Speaker 1: in the mirror. I think that's so important to that.
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Speaker 1: If you heard Mollie say, do your if everyone is
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Speaker 1: focused on doing what they need to do. That's the
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Speaker 1: starting point before helping everyone else. That's it, alright, those
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Speaker 1: Drive time on this Tuesday morning. Just wrapped up big things.
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Speaker 1: We still have a lot of show. We have an
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Speaker 1: analysis from myself. We have taken deep breath Tuesday, Ashland's analysis.
18:15
Speaker 1: It's a good one, all right. We've heard many people
18:18
Speaker 1: say that the wheels are off, this team is off
18:21
Speaker 1: the tracks, and I'm here to tell you it's not
18:23
Speaker 1: quite yet. So we know that Blake Bortles is our quarterback. Correct.
18:26
Speaker 1: Now we have to add the right pieces around him.
18:28
Speaker 1: That Jaguars have to add the right pieces to get
18:30
Speaker 1: back to the formula. We start with left tackle. You
18:33
Speaker 1: saw Bardles escape the pocket kind of frowzl. That's when
18:35
Speaker 1: he fumbled the football because he was getting pressured so
18:38
Speaker 1: heavily so early. Eric Flowers left tackle. Gotta put him
18:42
Speaker 1: in left tackle just based on talent alone of Josh Walker,
18:45
Speaker 1: your left tackle right now, who is not a tackle,
18:47
Speaker 1: He's a guard trying to be a left tackle. That's
18:49
Speaker 1: one formula. Keeling Cole dropping the ball both times on
18:53
Speaker 1: third down, You've got to catch the ball. Goes back
18:55
Speaker 1: to Malik Jackson saying, do your job catch the ball,
18:58
Speaker 1: especially on third down. Then you gotta get back to
19:01
Speaker 1: that power running formula. Carlos High Leonard for Nett looking
19:04
Speaker 1: at them here. You had all those pieces back around him,
19:07
Speaker 1: and Blake portals will play better, there's no doubt. So
19:10
Speaker 1: let's deal with the Keeling coal issue first. Uh, this
19:13
Speaker 1: is a guy who was roundly praised for what he
19:18
Speaker 1: did as an undrafted rookie, and he's made some sensational catches.
19:23
Speaker 1: Not the least of which is that one handed grab
19:24
Speaker 1: in his hundred and sixteen yard day against the Patriots.
19:27
Speaker 1: But those drops are becoming worrisome. That one he probably
19:33
Speaker 1: doesn't get a first down, but the other one on
19:35
Speaker 1: the second drive of the game in his chest right there,
19:39
Speaker 1: get the ball. Understand, your quarterback is under intense darrest,
19:44
Speaker 1: not just from Watton, Clowney and Merciless in the Texas,
19:47
Speaker 1: but from the fans. Help your quarterback. You want to
19:51
Speaker 1: talk about pulling it together. Make that catch right? Uh?
19:55
Speaker 1: You mentioned Eric Flowers. Hey, look, Doug said, every job
19:58
Speaker 1: is up for grabs. Then that left tackle spot step
20:02
Speaker 1: up right. Is the ninth pick of the draft a
20:04
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, had to struggle the last year
20:07
Speaker 1: and a half with the New York Giants. Okay, get it.
20:11
Speaker 1: Still talented guy. Get him in there and see what
20:14
Speaker 1: he can do this week. Hey, Eric, come on, let's go.
20:18
Speaker 1: Brought him in for a reason. Get him in the lineup.
20:22
Speaker 1: You've got to have every guy, whether it's someone going
20:24
Speaker 1: into the lineup for someone who's playing right now, has
20:27
Speaker 1: to play above the xs and oes. They have to
20:31
Speaker 1: go further to make that catch. That's how you pull
20:35
Speaker 1: everything together. That's how you get guys cheering for each
20:38
Speaker 1: other on the sideline instead of pointing fingers and critiquing
20:41
Speaker 1: each other on the sideline. Hey, it's human nature, it's
20:44
Speaker 1: the game. It happens. If people saw those spats are
20:47
Speaker 1: unique yelling at Mary and Hobby right on the sidelines,
20:51
Speaker 1: and they saw other players. They show that stuff on
20:53
Speaker 1: TV all the time. If they showed every sideline in
20:55
Speaker 1: the NFL, you'd see that. If you just focused on that,
20:58
Speaker 1: it happens all the time. Clay said it best. We're
21:01
Speaker 1: emotional people, and we play an emotional game. Okay, you
21:05
Speaker 1: can turn the emotions around if people start to play
21:09
Speaker 1: above the exs and os, which means make the easy
21:12
Speaker 1: catch or make the difficult catch and then split the
21:15
Speaker 1: defenders if you're keeling and get the first down that
21:17
Speaker 1: no one thinks that you can make. But those extraordinary
21:20
Speaker 1: catches look less extraordinary when you don't make the catches
21:23
Speaker 1: that you need to make absolutely and you know, you're
21:25
Speaker 1: talking about a defensive roster that's loaded, and you had
21:28
Speaker 1: guys that were doing the wrong things, freelancing, not playing
21:31
Speaker 1: to the rules that we've heard so much about. Going
21:34
Speaker 1: back to the gush, Bradley days and through Todd Wash.
21:38
Speaker 1: You can't do that or worrying solely about their position
21:41
Speaker 1: and not the defense as a whole. You can't. You
21:44
Speaker 1: just you can't do that. And so your analysis to
21:47
Speaker 1: pull it all back on track is exactly correct. It
21:50
Speaker 1: is sitting on the fringe right now, and another game
21:53
Speaker 1: like that, it's going over the cliff. You're not there yet.
22:00
Speaker 1: And this is the challenge now is to get back
22:03
Speaker 1: to it this week, go and play your brand of football.
22:07
Speaker 1: And I'll say it again with running game with Carlos
22:10
Speaker 1: Hide and perhaps Leonard for net it makes everything easier
22:14
Speaker 1: and better. Ye, get back to the form. There's a
22:16
Speaker 1: lot of pieces involved, but put the pieces together. Fine,
22:19
Speaker 1: good analysis. I like it, Thank you. What's next next
22:22
Speaker 1: is take a deep breath Tuesday, and they're of some
22:25
Speaker 1: deep breaths we have to take, yes, and I picked
22:29
Speaker 1: a few journalistic tweets. Okay, let's go with it today
22:32
Speaker 1: instead of fans, let's go with ESPN Sunday Night football.
22:38
Speaker 1: Jaguar is not training for quarterback, which includes Eli as
22:41
Speaker 1: much love as Executive vice president Tom Coughlin has for him.
22:44
Speaker 1: Jack Lee debut of Carlos Hide eventual return to four
22:47
Speaker 1: net gives them the hammer running back they need for
22:50
Speaker 1: qubs defense and injury riddled old line which still needs
22:53
Speaker 1: somewhat mobile quarterback. It's kind of what we've been saying
22:56
Speaker 1: this morning. Yeah, and we had so many fans saying,
22:59
Speaker 1: go get Eli Manning, go get them. So here's the
23:01
Speaker 1: point here, here's the undersport. You can go and grab
23:04
Speaker 1: a left tackle. Um, you can grab a running back.
23:07
Speaker 1: You can't grab a quarterback mid season. You can't. The
23:10
Speaker 1: timing issues and I get it, even a guy like
23:12
Speaker 1: Eli who is as distinguished as his career has taken him,
23:15
Speaker 1: and the relationships. Yeah right, I get all that. And
23:18
Speaker 1: you can tailor it and you can try, but no,
23:22
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't go get a quarterback and change it.
23:24
Speaker 1: That's that one spot where you have to ride it out. Plus,
23:27
Speaker 1: the Jaguars have about seven million dollars in cap room
23:30
Speaker 1: right now, and you can maneuver a little bit here,
23:33
Speaker 1: but you're taking on a much bigger number with an
23:36
Speaker 1: Eli Manning. So you've got to look at the finances
23:38
Speaker 1: there as well. What does it force you to do
23:40
Speaker 1: with other players in terms of taking salary converting it
23:44
Speaker 1: to bonus pushing it out into further years and is
23:47
Speaker 1: he worth that? Is he worth doing all of that
23:49
Speaker 1: for the performance he's going to give you. Pay as
23:52
Speaker 1: you go, pay it, claim it, keep yourself in a
23:56
Speaker 1: strong financial position. For those of you who have been
23:58
Speaker 1: around since the deba cole of two thousand one and
24:01
Speaker 1: two thousand two, where the salary cap just eight this
24:03
Speaker 1: team up for years, you don't want to go back,
24:05
Speaker 1: and they haven't been back. But if you start doing that,
24:08
Speaker 1: maneuvering it for a guy that seven years old through
24:13
Speaker 1: yards last night, I get it. But it's a position
24:16
Speaker 1: that you can't just go, here's the ball, go and
24:17
Speaker 1: expect that he's going to come from the offense offensive
24:20
Speaker 1: coordinator has never worked with him before, even though Tom
24:22
Speaker 1: has it, it doesn't make any sense. So that was
24:26
Speaker 1: I saw that tweet last night too. I'm glad that
24:27
Speaker 1: you put that in because that is a calm, level
24:30
Speaker 1: headed approach to what they've got to get done. So
24:32
Speaker 1: Eli Manning, take a deep breath. Okay, on to the
24:35
Speaker 1: next one. Another sports journalist Jaguar should call the Raiders
24:40
Speaker 1: and see what the price tag on Derek Cars. So
24:43
Speaker 1: we're going from one quarterback to another. I don't know
24:45
Speaker 1: who Benjamin Albright is, but he should know if he's
24:47
Speaker 1: a journalist and someone that covers the league. You don't
24:50
Speaker 1: go grab another quarterback mid season. It's not the position
24:56
Speaker 1: that you play for. If you want someone for en
25:00
Speaker 1: or you go signed him when you draft someone in
25:03
Speaker 1: the off season. A quarterback just doesn't translate, you know that.
25:06
Speaker 1: I mean that's a common sense. Get them ready to
25:08
Speaker 1: play in five days with the whole new playbook. Could
25:10
Speaker 1: you imagine the mess that would bring the Jaguars? Were
25:15
Speaker 1: you born ninety seven? I was. I was two years
25:17
Speaker 1: oldl Right, so let me give you a quick question.
25:20
Speaker 1: Mark Burnell got hurt in New York Jesse Armstad's helmet
25:22
Speaker 1: to his knee. He's out. So they have Rob Johnson
25:26
Speaker 1: who starts an opening day and beats the Baltimore Ravens.
25:31
Speaker 1: Seven played great, sprained his ankle. Okay, WHOA What did
25:34
Speaker 1: the Jaguars do well when Mark got hurt? They signed
25:37
Speaker 1: a guy named Steve Matthews who had played at Memphis
25:39
Speaker 1: and drafted by Kansas City and was just a journeyman quarterback. Well,
25:43
Speaker 1: Chris Palmer, who was the Jaguars offensive coordinator at the time,
25:46
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach quarterbacks coady. Um, now I take that back.
25:50
Speaker 1: He was the offensive Um, I get my confused. But
25:54
Speaker 1: Chris Palmer was the guy who brought Steve Matthews along.
25:58
Speaker 1: They got a bad giant team was starting Dave Brown
26:00
Speaker 1: at quarterback that I remember, and they pounded them that day, right,
26:04
Speaker 1: and Steve Matthews with a starting quarterback. Then a week
26:06
Speaker 1: three Brunelle came back. So stop gap with a powerful defense,
26:11
Speaker 1: with a good surrounding cast, you can get that done, right,
26:18
Speaker 1: You can get that done. Um, But in a very
26:22
Speaker 1: limited situation. They didn't ask him to throw the ball
26:24
Speaker 1: all over the field that day. You weren't gonna go
26:26
Speaker 1: far with Steve Matthews as your quarterback in. It was
26:29
Speaker 1: not going to happen. So occasionally you can, you can
26:33
Speaker 1: fit it in and find a way to get a win,
26:34
Speaker 1: but you still need your guy. If the Jaguards didn't
26:36
Speaker 1: have Brunel in, or if Rob Johnson could have come
26:40
Speaker 1: back and played, they were in trouble one game, Okay,
26:44
Speaker 1: beyond that, No, their car isn't coming in here and
26:47
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, gonna like the place out not
26:48
Speaker 1: gonna happen. No, not a big difference within between him
26:51
Speaker 1: and Blake Bortles, and I understand if I was reading
26:53
Speaker 1: something if Blake Bortles went down with an injury and
26:55
Speaker 1: you would force to bring someone else in as a
26:56
Speaker 1: completely different story. You don't know how Blake Bortles to
27:00
Speaker 1: play the rest. But again, you can't just go out
27:02
Speaker 1: and trade. Remember, go look at the cap number for
27:04
Speaker 1: Derek Carr. It's like Eli Manning. It's over twenty million
27:06
Speaker 1: dollars and you're assuming it. Not you're assuming the whole contract.
27:10
Speaker 1: You have to take what's left of this year, which
27:12
Speaker 1: is what about ten million dollars, and then you've got
27:15
Speaker 1: to take more in future years. Well, that takes away
27:18
Speaker 1: all of your maneuverability. You can't just go randomly say
27:21
Speaker 1: go grab this guy, go grab that guy. The Jaguars
27:24
Speaker 1: are over the cap in they're up against it. They
27:27
Speaker 1: have seven or eight million dollars depending on which cap
27:30
Speaker 1: service you look at left to work with this year.
27:33
Speaker 1: You can't just go randomly throw it out there. Yes,
27:35
Speaker 1: people want to hear the cap stuff because it's like
27:37
Speaker 1: math class. But if you don't, you don't have a
27:39
Speaker 1: basic understanding of the salary cap. You don't have a
27:42
Speaker 1: basic understanding of the maneuverability of how a team can work.
27:45
Speaker 1: What's the website you always tell me to look at?
27:46
Speaker 1: Spot rack is the one I used. Math is hard,
27:49
Speaker 1: but we must do it to say, Okay, what else
27:52
Speaker 1: are all? Right? Last, take a deep breath Tuesday goes
27:55
Speaker 1: to a loyal Jaguars fan, Drew hickin get mad at
27:58
Speaker 1: Jalen for talking all you want boy is the corner
28:01
Speaker 1: who has actually played bad this year. Uh, let's hold
28:04
Speaker 1: off judgment on this one and ask Jeff what he
28:08
Speaker 1: thinks Logs coming in because he'll be in and about
28:11
Speaker 1: ten twelve minutes yourself, so we'll get his opinion. I
28:13
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28:15
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28:17
Speaker 1: played much better than throw those at Logs when he
28:20
Speaker 1: comes in here. All right, So let's take a deep
28:22
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28:24
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28:26
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28:30
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28:33
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Speaker 1: welcome back. Jaguars leave for London on Thursday. UM. I
30:23
Speaker 1: think this is an advantage. There are people have different
30:25
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30:27
Speaker 1: a row against the Bill's Colts and Ravens who have
30:30
Speaker 1: never made the trip. The Eagles are going over there
30:33
Speaker 1: having never made the trip. Jaguars leave on Thursday night,
30:36
Speaker 1: land on Friday morning, go to the hotel for a
30:39
Speaker 1: short break and then they practice and then they have
30:40
Speaker 1: their normal Friday routine, normal Saturday routine, play the game
30:45
Speaker 1: and come home. Last year, we watched the Ravens kind
30:48
Speaker 1: of sleepwalk through the first half, and before they knew it,
30:51
Speaker 1: this team was on top of them. Game was over. Um,
30:55
Speaker 1: Eagles are the defending Super Bowl champs. They're not playing
30:57
Speaker 1: all that well right now. I don't expect to necessarily sleepwalk.
31:01
Speaker 1: But there is an advantage to a team that knows
31:04
Speaker 1: how to make this trip. You can do all the
31:05
Speaker 1: research you want, but the Jaguars players, most of them,
31:08
Speaker 1: understand how to make this trip. Yeah. I expect the
31:10
Speaker 1: Eagles to come fired up after losing to the Panthers
31:13
Speaker 1: and a close one. Yeah. Well, and look, the storyline
31:15
Speaker 1: was two teams that will be playing for a chance
31:17
Speaker 1: to play together again in the Super Bowl. Now it
31:20
Speaker 1: is two teams trying to save their season. Right. The
31:24
Speaker 1: Eagles are a game back of the Redskins, the Jaguars
31:27
Speaker 1: a game back of the Texans. Right. Okay, so there
31:30
Speaker 1: we are. There are the storylines. Jaguars leave on Thursday afternoon.
31:33
Speaker 1: They'll have today off, They'll have a normal day tomorrow,
31:35
Speaker 1: a reasonably normal day on Thursday. In other words, they'll
31:38
Speaker 1: be here. They'll go through their meetings and their their
31:40
Speaker 1: schedule and practice, and then after practice, instead of going home,
31:43
Speaker 1: they go to the airport for the flight to London.
31:45
Speaker 1: All right, time for agreed to disagree. This is where
31:47
Speaker 1: we put it out there via Twitter. You throw a
31:49
Speaker 1: statement at us, will either agree with it or we'll
31:52
Speaker 1: disagree with it. So let's have number one. We're screwed
31:56
Speaker 1: up by passing on Lamar Jackson and taking Taven Brian. Uh.
32:00
Speaker 1: Not a surprise that that came in yesterday. Uh disagree
32:03
Speaker 1: for this reason. The time will tell Tavin is contributing.
32:07
Speaker 1: I will ask Jeff to what degree Lamar Jackson isn't.
32:11
Speaker 1: So it's not like you could put Lamar Jackson out
32:12
Speaker 1: on the field and reasonably expect to win. When you're
32:14
Speaker 1: talking about rookies, and especially rookie quarterbacks, and especially rookie
32:17
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who have to learn the NFL system because Lamar
32:21
Speaker 1: did not come in as an NFL ready quarterback, that
32:25
Speaker 1: it's too early to make that statement. It doesn't translate,
32:29
Speaker 1: does not translate right now, So disagree with it. But
32:31
Speaker 1: in a year or two, yeah, maybe you could say
32:34
Speaker 1: they screwed up and we'd agree, right disagree because you
32:37
Speaker 1: took Taven Bryan for the future, not for the president.
32:39
Speaker 1: He took Taven Brian because CLIs Campell. We know he's
32:42
Speaker 1: banged up two n twenty. I think then you see
32:45
Speaker 1: the success of taking Taven Bryan well, and look, you
32:47
Speaker 1: haven't had Dwan Smoot. Who is you know he struggled
32:50
Speaker 1: through camp and didn't get a chance to play a lot. Uh.
32:54
Speaker 1: If Dwan Smooth is the only guy who's playing that
32:56
Speaker 1: big end spot, you're gonna struggle. Having a big body
33:00
Speaker 1: like Taven Bryant gives them something. So they're getting more
33:02
Speaker 1: from Brian than the Ravens are getting from Lamar Jackson.
33:05
Speaker 1: At this point, hold on, hold on in that thought,
33:08
Speaker 1: you almost have to have agree, disagree or hold on
33:11
Speaker 1: all right up next. I'm not normally negative on agree
33:16
Speaker 1: to disagree, but I think Andrew Norwell is Zane Beatles
33:18
Speaker 1: two point oh. He has to play better agree with
33:20
Speaker 1: the last statement. Not quite sure about the Zane Beatles
33:23
Speaker 1: two point oh. At this point, remember he had the
33:26
Speaker 1: calf in um in training camp and missed a lot
33:30
Speaker 1: of time and now has been playing with the toe.
33:33
Speaker 1: If you got a chance to see him, you'd say
33:35
Speaker 1: he's gutting it out. He's not playing well, it really
33:37
Speaker 1: he's not playing well, I'll let I'll let Logs talk
33:40
Speaker 1: about this. But he's playing hurt. He's playing hurt, he's
33:42
Speaker 1: playing with the toe, He's made some mistakes. Absolutely agree,
33:45
Speaker 1: you're paying thirteen million dollars a year for a guard.
33:48
Speaker 1: He better be a dominant player in right now, he's
33:51
Speaker 1: not agree. He's got to play better. Agree because if
33:53
Speaker 1: he was healthy, you think he would be that dominant
33:55
Speaker 1: player that he was brought into be. So another stay
33:57
Speaker 1: tuned on that one. He would get healthy. He was
33:59
Speaker 1: All Pro, All Pro, not Pro Bowl, which is a
34:03
Speaker 1: popularity contest, but All Pro at guard last year. Was
34:07
Speaker 1: a dominant player for Carolina. Here's the other thing. That
34:10
Speaker 1: Jaguars have not been able to play the style of
34:11
Speaker 1: football that you brought him in to play, the power
34:14
Speaker 1: running game. Right, So he's been hurt. They haven't played
34:16
Speaker 1: that style of ball. They haven't had Leonard obviously on
34:18
Speaker 1: the field. We'll see what happens when they get Carlos
34:20
Speaker 1: side and Lendard Finnette out there. But he has to
34:22
Speaker 1: play better, no doubt. Up next, uh, Colin Kaepernick would
34:28
Speaker 1: leave the Jags to the Super Bowl. Go back and
34:30
Speaker 1: look at Collins last season in San Francisco. Right, I
34:33
Speaker 1: get it. He did it once with San Francisco. That
34:35
Speaker 1: was with a dominant San Francisco defense. He has a
34:38
Speaker 1: huge arm, get it, But go back and look he
34:42
Speaker 1: just go back and look at that, and he was not.
34:44
Speaker 1: Plus he hasn't been playing, so I don't know how
34:46
Speaker 1: you say that. So I totally disagree with it. Totally disagree.
34:49
Speaker 1: He has not seen the field in so long. Ye
34:52
Speaker 1: find a job, work his way through. It played better
34:55
Speaker 1: than he did the last year or two in San Francisco,
34:57
Speaker 1: and then maybe we'd degree. But at this point that
35:00
Speaker 1: is a wild reach, but not not unrecognized. Not that
35:05
Speaker 1: we didn't expect it to come. Oh, there were so
35:07
Speaker 1: many comments about Colin Cash without a doubt he was
35:09
Speaker 1: of highly talked about topic. Again, Right, well, Eli Manning,
35:11
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, Colin Kaepernick, basically anybody but Blake Bortles, which
35:15
Speaker 1: it's completely expected. You got it up. Next next week,
35:19
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey starts at wide receiver and Callias Campbell starts
35:23
Speaker 1: at left tackle. Not uh, not that either one of
35:26
Speaker 1: them couldn't play and perform, because they're tremendous football players.
35:30
Speaker 1: Um the skills just don't translate, right. I mean, I
35:34
Speaker 1: have seen Jalen Ramsey makes some spectacular catches that could
35:36
Speaker 1: be for a wide receiver. But that's more reasonable to
35:41
Speaker 1: remember too that Calais's entire body of work as a
35:43
Speaker 1: professional football player has been coming forward, and most left
35:46
Speaker 1: tackles go backwards. The reason Tony Boselli was a great
35:50
Speaker 1: player was that he could go backwards faster and more
35:53
Speaker 1: athletically than a lot of guys could go forward. Um,
35:56
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you could say the same about a
35:58
Speaker 1: guy who's played left or right defensive is no big deal.
36:01
Speaker 1: Just switch everything you know for a week. If you
36:03
Speaker 1: brought Ramsey and here he tell you that he could
36:04
Speaker 1: play goalie, he could play hockey in anything. Um, and
36:09
Speaker 1: athletically speaking, he probably could get you something. But no, okay,
36:12
Speaker 1: I disagree on that final one. Because of the contract
36:17
Speaker 1: Blake signed, we are stuck with him as our starting
36:19
Speaker 1: quarterback in twenty nineteen. Um, he'll be here. Yeah, I agree.
36:25
Speaker 1: I mean that's a negative connotation. But you made the
36:27
Speaker 1: financial commitment. We've been through this. They decided on a
36:31
Speaker 1: style of play, they committed their team and their salary
36:34
Speaker 1: cap to it. So yeah, because the dead money hit
36:38
Speaker 1: if he's not here would be huge and remove remove
36:42
Speaker 1: all maneuverability. Now, Um, anything can happen. They've got smart
36:47
Speaker 1: guys that run their cap. They could have a a
36:51
Speaker 1: break glass in case of emergency plan. Right, you don't
36:54
Speaker 1: know what it is, um, but you paid him and
36:56
Speaker 1: be the guy. Yeah, we've outlined that for all those reasons. Hey,
36:59
Speaker 1: how about a quick run through a few headlines and
37:00
Speaker 1: then we'll take a break in. Then Jeff Lockerman will
37:02
Speaker 1: join us for a couple of minutes to wrap up
37:04
Speaker 1: a Tuesday show. Uh. The first out of the gate
37:06
Speaker 1: is they're not relying on Luck any longer. By luck,
37:09
Speaker 1: I mean just blind luck. Andrew Luck. Before he got hurt,
37:15
Speaker 1: he was that guy that would charge out in front
37:17
Speaker 1: of people and throw a block on Sunday against the Bills.
37:22
Speaker 1: He noticeably refrained from doing that. He's playing a different
37:25
Speaker 1: brand of football than that all out guy, which makes sense, right,
37:29
Speaker 1: you'd say that's the way a quarterback should play. And
37:33
Speaker 1: that's what Luck has said, is that it's more important
37:35
Speaker 1: and he's figured this out to be on the field
37:37
Speaker 1: as a quarterback than to be standing on the sideline
37:39
Speaker 1: as an all around football player, So it's working for him.
37:42
Speaker 1: He's staying healthy. And uh, their roster is not complete
37:46
Speaker 1: enough to be a contender at this moment in time.
37:47
Speaker 1: But when you have Andrew luck, you have a chance
37:49
Speaker 1: to win on any given Sunday afternoon. They haven't had
37:51
Speaker 1: in a couple of years without him. Moving right along
37:55
Speaker 1: through the headlines this morning. Uh, Steve Wilkes, the new
37:58
Speaker 1: head coach of the Arizona Cardinals, was the defensive coordinator
38:02
Speaker 1: last year in Carolina. So what do you think he
38:05
Speaker 1: thought when Patrick Peterson, the seven time Pro Bowl, three
38:09
Speaker 1: time All Pro cover corner one of the best in
38:12
Speaker 1: the game, said I want to be traded. The reports
38:14
Speaker 1: are he desperately wants out of the desert there one
38:17
Speaker 1: in six they're going nowhere this year. He's a twenty
38:19
Speaker 1: eight year old corner. He wants the chance to play
38:21
Speaker 1: again in the postseason, so he desperately wants out. Um,
38:26
Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes, the head coach, said, uh, no, no, no, no,
38:30
Speaker 1: no chance of that happening. Out of the question were
38:33
Speaker 1: his words. They're gonna sit down and talk, So no
38:36
Speaker 1: trade in the works there. And finally from the headlines,
38:39
Speaker 1: how about the Raiders? Right? I mean, first of all,
38:41
Speaker 1: they take the best I want, yeah, the best pass resturant, right,
38:46
Speaker 1: and trade him to the Chicago Bears for picks. And
38:49
Speaker 1: then yesterday they trade this guy, Amari Cooper for picks. Uh.
38:54
Speaker 1: There's been talk about Derek Carr, but very few teams
38:56
Speaker 1: can take on that contract. There are other players out there. Look,
38:59
Speaker 1: Rudin's taking mandage of the situation. This is the last
39:02
Speaker 1: year that they are under contract to play at the
39:04
Speaker 1: Oakland Alameda County Commisseum. I think it's the O dot
39:07
Speaker 1: Co Colisseum. Now um, they're not sure where they're playing
39:10
Speaker 1: next year, and so what do you have to lose.
39:14
Speaker 1: He's got a ten year contract. They don't know that
39:16
Speaker 1: they're playing there next year. They're playing for two years
39:18
Speaker 1: down the road when they'll open up a brand new
39:20
Speaker 1: stadium in Las Vegas. No shock at all. Good player,
39:25
Speaker 1: inconsistent player. Dallas gives up a first round pick. They
39:28
Speaker 1: hope it helps their quarterback. This helps their bottom line.
39:31
Speaker 1: They've got three first round picks next year. Who knows
39:33
Speaker 1: what else they can pull out of the fire. But
39:36
Speaker 1: the guys, it's funny and this is how quickly things change.
39:39
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, they were a playoff team.
39:41
Speaker 1: Derek car gets hurt, so they don't go very far.
39:43
Speaker 1: But they had the makings of a team that you
39:45
Speaker 1: thought that's going to be a power in the West. Nope,
39:48
Speaker 1: change coaches, change philosophies. Away, it goes moving to Las
39:51
Speaker 1: Vegas instability. But Gruden has his plan and he's working
39:56
Speaker 1: through its trading the present team away to build for
39:58
Speaker 1: the future. But and a unique situation because they're not
40:01
Speaker 1: going to be playing in Oakland. I guess they could
40:03
Speaker 1: come back and get a deal done. But if you're
40:05
Speaker 1: reading any of the stories out of Oakland, you know
40:07
Speaker 1: the news stories about the negotiations, they don't look all
40:10
Speaker 1: that promising. They're talking about San Diego, they're talking about
40:13
Speaker 1: playing at UNLV Stadium, although I think that was just
40:16
Speaker 1: recently completely flat out rejected. They're going to find something.
40:19
Speaker 1: Oh the other one is to play in San Francisco
40:21
Speaker 1: Stadium LEVI Stadium, so you don't have to worry about
40:24
Speaker 1: your fan based in Oakland buying tickets because they're not
40:26
Speaker 1: expecting them too next year, which is a unique situation,
40:29
Speaker 1: entirely unique. Yes, absolutely, all right, we'll take a break.
40:32
Speaker 1: Jeff Lghman joins us. Next, we'll ask him some of
40:33
Speaker 1: these questions about what he sees from a j boyer
40:37
Speaker 1: Andrew Norwell what he needs to see this week for
40:39
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Speaker 1: you all know Jeff Loghman. How do you feel? I
42:34
Speaker 1: feel great? Good? Yeah, I feel great. Played the game
42:37
Speaker 1: ten years. You might have some mornings where you don't
42:38
Speaker 1: feel I mean, everything's all relative, but for a Tuesday,
42:41
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good. All right, we'll hit us with
42:44
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the announcement that Blake is the starting
42:46
Speaker 1: quarterback yesterday afternoon. Did you see that coming? Did you
42:49
Speaker 1: think that was the best decision? I really don't. Didn't
42:51
Speaker 1: know what was gonna happen, because people had asked me
42:53
Speaker 1: what do you think they should do? And I think
42:56
Speaker 1: I had three different changes of my mind throughout the
42:59
Speaker 1: core so the day and uh, but you know, Blake
43:04
Speaker 1: showed throughout training camp and for a long period of
43:07
Speaker 1: time that he was the better quarterback, and so I
43:09
Speaker 1: think you have to go back to that and and
43:11
Speaker 1: try to get things better around him so that he
43:14
Speaker 1: can perform at his best. And right now things around
43:16
Speaker 1: him aren't at its best, and and it doesn't allow
43:19
Speaker 1: him to be at his best. Not to make excuses
43:21
Speaker 1: for him, because there's a lot of things that he's
43:23
Speaker 1: got to do better. But I think the one thing
43:25
Speaker 1: that was very apparent in that game is that he
43:27
Speaker 1: was trying to do too much. You know, he's trying
43:29
Speaker 1: to win it and will this team to victory with
43:32
Speaker 1: his legs. He got sloppy with the ball, which can
43:36
Speaker 1: happen sometimes, but you just can't turn the ball because
43:40
Speaker 1: I think the the whole game plan offensively in that
43:44
Speaker 1: game was about protecting the football, and you could tell
43:47
Speaker 1: right away because it was run, run past, and then
43:49
Speaker 1: obviously scrambles and the third play offensive play of the game,
43:53
Speaker 1: he fumbles the ball. But that's what the game plan was.
43:56
Speaker 1: They're gonna go back to the old way of playing,
43:59
Speaker 1: which is how they played at the beginning of last year.
44:02
Speaker 1: It's how they played against the Buffalo Bills in the
44:04
Speaker 1: playoff game. Run to football, protect the football, play great defense,
44:09
Speaker 1: and let the opponents screw it up to give you
44:11
Speaker 1: an opportunity to win it. Carlos Hide, I know you
44:14
Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to watch a lot of tape
44:15
Speaker 1: of him, but the ability they haven't had a power
44:17
Speaker 1: running game at all this year. Power running brings a
44:21
Speaker 1: lot of different things back into play. It should allow
44:23
Speaker 1: Blake to not have to do everything right, yes, and
44:26
Speaker 1: it will also allow your offensive line to do what
44:29
Speaker 1: they do best. Because Norahwell is a run block, smash
44:34
Speaker 1: mouth guard. That's the kind of offense that he needs
44:37
Speaker 1: to be in. And he's not right now. Well, he's
44:39
Speaker 1: playing in an offense right now, that's playing from behind
44:42
Speaker 1: by twenty four points and twenty points and trying to
44:45
Speaker 1: be a pass blocker. And I don't care who you are.
44:48
Speaker 1: When you try to block Jadavin Clowney and he's a
44:50
Speaker 1: stand up inside linebacker and you're one on one against him,
44:53
Speaker 1: you're gonna get embarrassed. And the way you don't have
44:56
Speaker 1: to do that is run the football up. Clowney's rare
44:59
Speaker 1: in and you don't have to worry about blocking in
45:01
Speaker 1: one on one in that situation. Right, Yeah, it makes sense.
45:04
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know what kind of a
45:06
Speaker 1: player Carlos Hate is. I just know his numbers like
45:09
Speaker 1: anybody else. I haven't watched a lot of film on
45:11
Speaker 1: other than what we've been able to see in the past.
45:13
Speaker 1: But he's a good, strong, physical runner. I do know that.
45:17
Speaker 1: And even if you have Leonard Fournett, who has shown
45:19
Speaker 1: that he's on average back, Okay, now you have two
45:22
Speaker 1: big backs and you can have a one too and
45:24
Speaker 1: all three punch with t J. Yelding. So and if
45:27
Speaker 1: you're going to survive this year, that's what you've got
45:30
Speaker 1: to be able to go back to as an offense.
45:32
Speaker 1: When I say, go back to, not go back to
45:34
Speaker 1: like they've done it this year, but go back to
45:35
Speaker 1: well that's what they used to do last year. She
45:37
Speaker 1: played against the Chiefs when they had Christian Koya and
45:39
Speaker 1: Berry Word. Yeah, and so I used that reference is
45:42
Speaker 1: from the early berry Word was a Virginia guy. I
45:45
Speaker 1: remember him. He was a really good player at just
45:47
Speaker 1: the education there. That's a Virginia Institution of Fine Learning,
45:50
Speaker 1: by the way, founded by Thomas Jefferson Uh and Magna
45:53
Speaker 1: cum laude there. But the point is is I remember
45:56
Speaker 1: that team because they had Don not Don mccowski, Yeah,
46:00
Speaker 1: Don Mikowski, Steve Burke too. Yeah, I thought you were
46:03
Speaker 1: going back to v A. Brian I was getting. But
46:07
Speaker 1: my point is that they didn't have a powerful passing game,
46:11
Speaker 1: but they had a great defense with Derek uh Thomas,
46:16
Speaker 1: Jack Thomas and Neil Smith. Smith was tremendous, right, Okay,
46:19
Speaker 1: so they played to it with Sala. Yeah. I mean
46:22
Speaker 1: if you talk about flashbacks and hey, well that's why
46:24
Speaker 1: I brought it to you. They pounded the ball and
46:26
Speaker 1: teams couldn't they just they wore down against the two
46:29
Speaker 1: power backs. So my contention is, if you get for
46:32
Speaker 1: net even even if he's not the electrifying fourth pick
46:35
Speaker 1: at the draft. With Carlos Hide, you have a chance
46:37
Speaker 1: to really pound and get the defense back to a
46:39
Speaker 1: position where they need to be. Right well, well, the
46:42
Speaker 1: defense needs to get back to that regardless of what
46:44
Speaker 1: the offense is doing. And I have a lot of
46:46
Speaker 1: people are kind of down on the defense. The reality
46:49
Speaker 1: is that they're not playing bad. They're just not playing
46:53
Speaker 1: to the standard that we've kind of come accustomed to to,
46:56
Speaker 1: where they're winning games by scoring on defense and taking
46:59
Speaker 1: the ball away in Saxonville, that those type of things
47:02
Speaker 1: aren't happening. And right now, the way this team is going,
47:06
Speaker 1: they need to get back to that level if they're
47:08
Speaker 1: gonna win games. Because you and you kind of got
47:11
Speaker 1: the impression I think after the Kansa City game, definitely
47:14
Speaker 1: not so much after the Dallas Cowboy games, but from
47:16
Speaker 1: the Kanna City game before, is that the defense was
47:19
Speaker 1: still incredibly proud of what they had done, even even
47:22
Speaker 1: in defeat. That's not the way it's supposed to be, right,
47:26
Speaker 1: you know. Here, here's how you measure whether you play
47:29
Speaker 1: good on defense or not. Did you win? And I
47:33
Speaker 1: think that was the part that kind of rubbed me
47:34
Speaker 1: the wrong way after the Kann City game because they
47:36
Speaker 1: were down twenty and nothing on the field and their
47:39
Speaker 1: smack talking going on by the Jaguars defensively, Wait a minute,
47:45
Speaker 1: look at the scoreboard, okay, And let's not talk smack
47:48
Speaker 1: unless you're winning. And so I think they got a
47:50
Speaker 1: dose of reality against the Dallas Cowboys, and they certainly
47:52
Speaker 1: got one against the Texans because they allowed another Hunter
47:55
Speaker 1: yard rusher. And so they need to tighten up. But
47:58
Speaker 1: they're not terrible. It. For this football team to win
48:02
Speaker 1: the way they are playing on offense, your defense has
48:05
Speaker 1: to play fantastic. And don't don't tell me how you
48:08
Speaker 1: played unless you can tell me you've played well in
48:11
Speaker 1: victory in one. Uh, you had Clais obviously on All
48:15
Speaker 1: Access last night. And Marcel Darius, can you give us
48:17
Speaker 1: a sense of their expectations of what this defense needs
48:20
Speaker 1: to do that you know, if you bring anything up
48:22
Speaker 1: to them about you know, this defense is certainly capable
48:25
Speaker 1: of reaching a higher level they're capable of taking up.
48:27
Speaker 1: They know it. I mean they know it. And and
48:30
Speaker 1: Calais and Marcel both realize that what the defense and
48:33
Speaker 1: where the defense is at right now it's not. It's
48:36
Speaker 1: not where they need to be for them to win.
48:38
Speaker 1: They get it, and I think as a team, I
48:41
Speaker 1: think that is starting now. Instead of having a few
48:45
Speaker 1: believe it, I think now you're starting to see them
48:46
Speaker 1: as a unit start to believe that. And and that's
48:49
Speaker 1: the only way things get done if if an entire
48:51
Speaker 1: unit is not on the same page. I guess they
48:53
Speaker 1: reportedly had a player's only meeting they talked about Uh,
48:56
Speaker 1: well they should say they talked around it. They didn't
48:58
Speaker 1: talk about the meeting. Uh So maybe that helps, Maybe
49:02
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I don't know. I'm sure you've been in both. Yeah.
49:04
Speaker 1: I mean I've I've been in situations where it helped
49:06
Speaker 1: and I've been in situations where it doesn't help. And
49:08
Speaker 1: the only one that I've ever been a part of
49:10
Speaker 1: that helped was the one that we had in nine
49:13
Speaker 1: and it was Was that the reason why we turned
49:16
Speaker 1: it around? Probably not, but you know, you point to
49:22
Speaker 1: it and you say, well, you know what, we were
49:23
Speaker 1: playing pretty crappy and then we had players only meeting
49:26
Speaker 1: and then we turned it around. So yeah, that might
49:28
Speaker 1: help at least maybe they clear the air. I hope,
49:31
Speaker 1: because you know that you could see that there was
49:32
Speaker 1: some sideline join going on. That is not healthy. And
49:39
Speaker 1: unless you can be all in lockstep going in one direction,
49:42
Speaker 1: it's not positive. Who was the other player that we
49:44
Speaker 1: were supposed to ask him about? Joy? We had a question,
49:47
Speaker 1: is he playing well? Is he playing better than Jalen Ramsey?
49:51
Speaker 1: What's the question? Obviously they're not both playing on the
49:53
Speaker 1: highest level. That's an easy answer. No. Last year I
49:58
Speaker 1: could make the argument that he was playing better than
50:01
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. This year I cannot say that. And last
50:07
Speaker 1: year there are so many times where I would watch
50:09
Speaker 1: the film and go, oh, my gosh, does a J
50:11
Speaker 1: have the offensive game plan? Because he's running the route
50:14
Speaker 1: for guys, I mean literally running the route. So let's
50:17
Speaker 1: say they're running a fifteen yard out. A J is
50:21
Speaker 1: at fifteen yards and he's already starting to turn out
50:23
Speaker 1: and the wide receiver still at ten and you go,
50:25
Speaker 1: how does he know that? And I haven't seen that
50:30
Speaker 1: as much this year? And is it because of of
50:35
Speaker 1: the game plan? Offensively? I don't know, but I'm not
50:39
Speaker 1: seeing him play at the same level. He's still good,
50:42
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, He's still good. But I think
50:45
Speaker 1: that's what you would say about a lot of guys
50:47
Speaker 1: on defense. But he's still good, but it's not great.
50:51
Speaker 1: It's not the level that it was last year, and
50:54
Speaker 1: for them to win, that level needs to be at
50:57
Speaker 1: what it was last year. Try linked to London. I
51:00
Speaker 1: know you sometimes work ahead. Have you had a chance
51:02
Speaker 1: to look at the Eagles and your first observations. Obviously
51:06
Speaker 1: they're not playing great because they're not winning. What do
51:08
Speaker 1: you see from them? Well, they gave up what seven
51:11
Speaker 1: team point lead that they had last week, and offensively,
51:16
Speaker 1: I haven't looked too much as a little bit of
51:19
Speaker 1: their offense, but I look more at their defense. Will
51:21
Speaker 1: comment more specifically about their defense. They have a lot
51:24
Speaker 1: of players that can roll in and out of the game,
51:26
Speaker 1: and they have a very good front group of seven
51:29
Speaker 1: players that can play good football. The back end it's
51:32
Speaker 1: probably not playing what it has been accustomed to in Philadelphia.
51:36
Speaker 1: So I think the Jaguars need to do one thing.
51:38
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to run football against that front
51:40
Speaker 1: front group of people, because Michael Bennett and Chris Long
51:43
Speaker 1: and Fletcher Cox, I mean, they're really good football players
51:47
Speaker 1: and the only way that you can keep them off bounces,
51:49
Speaker 1: you can put them on their heels by running the football.
51:52
Speaker 1: What would you do at left tackle? Is Eric Flowers
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Speaker 1: a guy they ought to investigate putting in it left
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Speaker 1: tackle instead of Josh Walker, former ninth pick of the draft.
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Speaker 1: You hot to figure at least he gives you a
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Speaker 1: better shot. That's a great question. And I'm I think
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Speaker 1: you would consider it based on what you were seeing
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Speaker 1: in practice, and you would have to see something in
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Speaker 1: practice that says to you he's a better option. Two
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Speaker 1: things about that. One is it's hard. It's hard to
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Speaker 1: get a feel for that in practice because they practice
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Speaker 1: kind of an unlimited fashion in a regular season. It's
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Speaker 1: not like training camp. So how do you get a
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Speaker 1: real strong evaluation. So, and Josh Walker has been okay,
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Speaker 1: tell me he's essentially a guard playing tackle. But he
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Speaker 1: him he did okay, I mean he's still okay. He's
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Speaker 1: not you know, he's not all of a sudden, you know,
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Speaker 1: the quarterback look out, you know. I mean, so that's okay.
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Speaker 1: And he's a good run blocker, and he's tough, and
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Speaker 1: he likes to he likes to kind of mix it
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Speaker 1: up a little bit. So you know, and tell Eric
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Speaker 1: Flowers shows that he's clearly better than Josh Walker or
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Speaker 1: Josh Walker falters, then you kind of stay status quo.
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Speaker 1: But you didn't see that on Sunday, even in the
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Speaker 1: late in the ball game when they were coming. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's like the that's like the worst
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Speaker 1: thing in the world for Josh Walker situation for him
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Speaker 1: to be in. But I mean, let's let's avus a
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Speaker 1: great players. Yeah, let's evaluate what Eric Flowers has shown
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Speaker 1: in that situation. It has been very good as well.
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Speaker 1: So you know, that's not an easy decision to make.
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Speaker 1: But I said it before the game last week and
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Speaker 1: and said it on Film Room Friday that Clowney is
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Speaker 1: one of the top five most disruptive players in the
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Speaker 1: National Football and he showed anything you wanted to do,
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Speaker 1: rush the passer, play the run. He lines up anywhere.
53:31
Speaker 1: I mean, he he probably is better lining up as
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Speaker 1: an inside linebacker and having a head of steam coming
53:37
Speaker 1: in and Facebook card because he beat a j Can
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Speaker 1: like that, he beat Norwell like that. Uh. He whooped
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Speaker 1: up on the tight ends, Grinage and Shatley. When Shatley
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Speaker 1: was in there, he beat up on the tackles. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's a he's a great football one. More thought um
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Speaker 1: the Jack Ward signed Jeremy Parnell in two thousand and
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Speaker 1: sixteen to play against j J. Watt and what has
53:57
Speaker 1: not been healthy. He just the last two years he
54:00
Speaker 1: hasn't been out. How did How did Parnell do against? What?
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Speaker 1: Did well? Except for one play? Well, one play that
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Speaker 1: he was real soft around the edge. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what he hit Blake as he was releasing the ball.
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Speaker 1: But other than that, I mean he did a really
54:13
Speaker 1: good job. You thought Watton playing well. He's been playing well.
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Speaker 1: He's still not playing at the level that he was
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Speaker 1: at when he was league key or defensive m v P.
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Speaker 1: But and you can see that his legs aren't what
54:25
Speaker 1: they used to be, you know, as far as because
54:27
Speaker 1: j J. Watt used to be able to bend what
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Speaker 1: iously bend the corner and and really power through and
54:32
Speaker 1: he'd be twelve inches off the ground and still still
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Speaker 1: kind of running and moving forward and he can't do
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Speaker 1: that anymore. But he's playing the game more physical, whereas
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Speaker 1: before j J was off finesse and movement. But he
54:43
Speaker 1: gave the impression that he was physical and a lot
54:45
Speaker 1: of guys were scared to death getting bull rushed and
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Speaker 1: that's not what his style was. But J's actually now
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Speaker 1: bull rushing, so his game has changed a little bit.
54:53
Speaker 1: But Parnell I thought did a good he did a
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Speaker 1: good enough job to win against J. J. Watt. All right,
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Speaker 1: thanks as always, we appreciate you. And that'll do it
55:03
Speaker 1: for Jack's drive time. On a Tuesday, Jags leave for
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Speaker 1: London on Thursday. What's film or Friday this week? Do
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Speaker 1: you know yet? I'm not having one because of the trip,
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Speaker 1: which is which is great for me, which is great
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Speaker 1: for me. But I did tweet up some stuff. Hey,
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Speaker 1: by the way, that's great stuff. Yeah, we look forward
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Speaker 1: to it up. I'm forced to do it Twitter, famous
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Speaker 1: social mediating tweet. Yeah, Patrick Having is making you. We'll
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Speaker 1: take it. We'll take a time out. We're done, see folks,