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UFO Investigator's Disease · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, my name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: another episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I have a
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Speaker 1: fascinating episode for you today. I call this episode UFO
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Speaker 1: Investigators Disease. There's a little secret going on in the
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Speaker 1: UFO community that you might not be aware of, and
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Speaker 1: that is that many UFO researchers are themselves in contact
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Speaker 1: with UFOs. Often a UFO will be inspired to become
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Speaker 1: a researcher as a result of an encounter. But just
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Speaker 1: as often, a researcher will start researching UFOs and then
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Speaker 1: have an encounter. It appears as if UFOs are researching
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Speaker 1: UFO researchers. This is definitely a thing. I mean, it
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Speaker 1: actually happened to me. I have caught UFO investigators' disease.
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Speaker 1: And that's what this episode is about. The many, many
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Speaker 1: researchers who are having contact with UFOs, either before or
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Speaker 1: following their UFO investigations. The first researcher I want to
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Speaker 1: talk about is Brad Steiger. Brad Steiger is very well
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Speaker 1: known in this field. He's written a number of books,
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Speaker 1: but what a lot of people don't know is he
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Speaker 1: has had a face-to-face encounter with extraterrestrials. It was an
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Speaker 1: October night in 1940, and Brad Steiger was just a
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Speaker 1: little kid in his home in Iowa when he heard
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Speaker 1: weird footsteps and sounds outside. He jumped up, looked out
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Speaker 1: his bedroom window, and was shocked to see an alien.
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Speaker 1: He knew instantly this was not a human. As he says,
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Speaker 1: I could see his very large, round skull, two pointed ears,
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Speaker 1: and long, slender fingers as they grasped the windowsill. He
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Speaker 1: saw enormous slanted eyes with their vertical reptilian pupils. This
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Speaker 1: ET looked right at him. They locked each other's gazes.
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Speaker 1: And the next thing Brad Steiger knew is he fell asleep.
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Speaker 1: He had missing time. Next thing he knows, he's waking
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Speaker 1: up the next morning. But it impressed him deeply. As
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Speaker 1: he said, a seed had been activated within my psyche.
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Speaker 1: No amount of adult persuasion could alter reality. my personal experience.
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Speaker 1: We were not alone in the universe. There were other
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Speaker 1: intelligences walking about who resembled us, who seemed curious about us,
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Speaker 1: and who might even care about us in some way.
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Speaker 1: And years later, as an adult, Brad was visiting an
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Speaker 1: art show about UFO art and came upon a painting
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Speaker 1: which depicted the ET he had seen as a child
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Speaker 1: down to exact, minute detail. He confronted the artist, her
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Speaker 1: name is Shannon Reed, and learned that she lived in
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Speaker 1: a neighboring town in Iowa and had an encounter with
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Speaker 1: what was apparently the same creature around the same time.
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Speaker 1: It's stunning confirmation. But the point here is Brad Steiger's
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Speaker 1: research into UFOs was sparked by a UFO sighting. Is
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Speaker 1: this a coincidence? I'm not so sure because there are
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Speaker 1: a lot of cases. And sometimes ETs will come after
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Speaker 1: a person starts researching UFOs. And that's what happened to Dr.
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Speaker 1: Laurie Vassos, who was a very prominent physician in Canada.
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Speaker 1: And in 1992, he stepped forward and said that he
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Speaker 1: was in contact with UFOs. This came about as a
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Speaker 1: result of him wishing for it. As he said, I
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Speaker 1: wanted to have an experience because I was investigating it.
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Speaker 1: And then in July of 1989, while in Wyoming, Dr.
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Speaker 1: Vassos had his first UFO experience. As he says, and
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Speaker 1: I quote, while I was sleeping, I had some sort
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Speaker 1: of out-of-body experience and encountered this being. It was a humanoid.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a gray fellow. And shortly after this, he
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Speaker 1: had another and another. He had a bunch of them.
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Speaker 1: As he says, I've had a series of them. I
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Speaker 1: have had several other encounters in which I was taken.
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Speaker 1: abducted and this was actually quite scary for him he
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Speaker 1: doesn't think that they are negative or evil but it
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Speaker 1: did startle him quite a bit and that's when he
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Speaker 1: went public saying that he had been abducted by extraterrestrials
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Speaker 1: and this is as a direct result of him investigating
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Speaker 1: UFOs I think this is exactly what happened to Bill
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Speaker 1: Hamilton Bill Hamilton is a very well-known researcher who's looked
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Speaker 1: into Area 51 and other government complexes, perhaps best known
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Speaker 1: for researching the Phoenix Lights. He wrote a book about it.
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Speaker 1: And on March 16, 1993, Bill and his wife Pam,
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Speaker 1: also an experiencer, decided that they were going to visit
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Speaker 1: Area 51 to see if they could see UFOs. And
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Speaker 1: they did. An orb-like object approached them. It changed into
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Speaker 1: a disk, then went back into an orb. And as
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Speaker 1: it swept past them, suddenly Bill found himself facing the
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Speaker 1: opposite direction, and he was missing about 20 minutes of time.
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Speaker 1: He had had missing time. And so he and his
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Speaker 1: wife both decided to go under hypnosis, which they did
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Speaker 1: the very next night. And under hypnosis, he saw that
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Speaker 1: this orb of light actually transformed into a disc. Right
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Speaker 1: as it approached his car, it stopped, sent on a
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Speaker 1: beam of light, sucked him on board. On board, he
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Speaker 1: saw a six-foot-tall gray-type ET wearing a gray suit with
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Speaker 1: a triangular symbol on the side. He had long arms,
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Speaker 1: four fingers on each hand. He asked about his wife.
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Speaker 1: The ET said his wife was outside. Bill Hamilton asked
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Speaker 1: the gray, why he had been abducted. And the Grey
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Speaker 1: said that Bill needed an adjustment and that he would
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Speaker 1: learn some things. Bill was physically examined. He saw computer-like
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Speaker 1: tables which displayed his thoughts and emotions. That's what he believed.
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Speaker 1: The being said his name was Quaylar. It was a
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Speaker 1: pretty short standard abduction experience. Bill was then returned back
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Speaker 1: to the ground and woke up. Both he and his
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Speaker 1: wife saw a car driving away. It was totally silent.
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Speaker 1: And Pamela, his wife, went under hypnosis. And she recalled
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Speaker 1: seeing Bill being taken on board. She saw Graze standing around.
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Speaker 1: She said she saw a military van a short distance
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Speaker 1: away watching the abduction take place. She was approached by
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Speaker 1: military personnel who actually detained her in the van during
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Speaker 1: the abductions. And then she was let go, and the
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Speaker 1: ETs returned her husband Bill. The car drove off, the
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Speaker 1: ETs moved off, and that was that. But yeah, this
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Speaker 1: is another case where UFO investigators are being in turn
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Speaker 1: investigated by UFOs, and it's not unique. This is exactly
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Speaker 1: what happened to Richard Boyland. Richard Boyland is a prominent investigator.
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Speaker 1: He's written a number of books. such as one called
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Speaker 1: Close Extraterrestrial Encounters. He did have an encounter as a
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Speaker 1: kid in his home in Oregon involving a metallic disk,
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Speaker 1: but it was a simple sighting. He didn't believe he
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Speaker 1: was abducted or involved personally in any way, but he
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Speaker 1: certainly was interested in UFOs. And in 1992, he had
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Speaker 1: an incredible experience. He was driving across the country visiting
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Speaker 1: areas like Area 51 in Sandia Labs and other government
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Speaker 1: installations which had been implicated with highly advanced technology, perhaps
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Speaker 1: reverse engineering, this sort of thing. And it was on
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Speaker 1: April 12, 1992, that Boylan was driving north on Highway
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Speaker 1: 180 between Deming and Silver City in New Mexico. when
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Speaker 1: he drove into a fog bank, or what he thought
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Speaker 1: might be smoke. It was so thick he had to
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Speaker 1: stop the car. He got out of his car, and
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Speaker 1: next thing he knows, somebody is grabbing his arm, he
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Speaker 1: couldn't see who, and pulling him towards this craft. This
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Speaker 1: craft was not large, maybe 35 feet long, he said,
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Speaker 1: 12 feet high. And he was pulled in through a
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Speaker 1: door and on board he saw gray type ETs. They
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Speaker 1: were short with dark oval eyes, no pupils or irises,
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Speaker 1: just pure black, no real nose or mouth, very thin,
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Speaker 1: about five feet tall. He was placed in a dentist-like
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Speaker 1: chair and he felt them sort of sticking something up
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Speaker 1: his nose, up in his sinuses. He believes he was
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Speaker 1: probably implanted. And next thing he knows, he's being floated
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Speaker 1: out of the craft horizontally and back into his car,
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Speaker 1: and he's driving out of this fog bank. And the
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Speaker 1: whole experience left his mind. He didn't remember any of it.
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Speaker 1: All he remembered was the soreness in his nose, driving
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Speaker 1: into the fog bank with vague memories of being pulled
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Speaker 1: out of his car and having missing time. He did
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Speaker 1: recognize that. And... He later had more UFO sightings during
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Speaker 1: this trip. He went home, decided to go under hypnosis himself,
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Speaker 1: and under hypnosis recalled this whole experience. And he believes
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Speaker 1: that this was intentional and that this was a result
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Speaker 1: of his own interest in UFOs and his work with abductees.
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Speaker 1: As he says, and I quote, I think I had
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Speaker 1: an encounter with some non-earthly folks whose craft was by
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Speaker 1: the side of the road. They seemed very benign and
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Speaker 1: left me none the worse for the wear when I
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Speaker 1: got back in my car and finished my journey. Subsequently,
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Speaker 1: the other thing I got from this trip, and I
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Speaker 1: suspect from that experience, is a real sense of urgency
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Speaker 1: to get out the message about the government's secret saucer
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Speaker 1: program and their very current Star Wars agenda. I'm beginning
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Speaker 1: to think this urgent agenda to get this information out
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Speaker 1: may be part of the message I got at their hands.
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Speaker 1: Following this, he also noted a number of paranormal and
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Speaker 1: psychic events, which seems to be related. So maybe the
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Speaker 1: ETs know what they're doing here, because look at what
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Speaker 1: happened to mainstream journalist Ed Conroy. Ed Conroy was a
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Speaker 1: Texas-based journalist who decided he was going to investigate Whitley
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Speaker 1: Strieber's case and find out if it was a hoax
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Speaker 1: or if it was real. Whitley Streber agreed, and Ed
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Speaker 1: Conroy soon discovered that Whitley's case was real. He called
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Speaker 1: Whitley the typhoid Mary of UFO contact because it seemed
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Speaker 1: like everyone around him started to have contact at some point.
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Speaker 1: And Ed Conroy didn't realize when he began investigating UFOs
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Speaker 1: that he himself would be investigated by UFOs. But of course,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. And it started with black helicopters
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Speaker 1: buzzering over his home. He believes his phone was tapped.
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Speaker 1: He was under some type of surveillance. As he says,
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Speaker 1: His real big confirmation of this came in July of 1987.
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Speaker 1: He was in his home. He bolted upright in bed,
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Speaker 1: absolutely convinced that someone was in his house. Next thing
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Speaker 1: he knew, he had missing time and he's waking up
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Speaker 1: the next morning. And he found a big spot of
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Speaker 1: blood on his pillow. And that absolutely convinced him that
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Speaker 1: he was now a target of the ETs himself. And
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Speaker 1: it scared him. As he says, I even considered dropping
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Speaker 1: my plan to write a book on Strieber and the visitors,
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Speaker 1: since I had to consider the thought that perhaps my
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Speaker 1: capacity for objectivity had somehow been violated. After all, few
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Speaker 1: people who write about UFOs from an investigative angle ever
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Speaker 1: mention having had anomalous personal experiences. To do so might
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Speaker 1: well seem to one's readers that one had somehow become
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Speaker 1: contaminated by the subject. And he was right, certainly at
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Speaker 1: that time. Not a lot of researchers were admitting to
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Speaker 1: being contactees. But in fact, that's the truth. Many of
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Speaker 1: them are having experiences with UFOs, but are not talking
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Speaker 1: about it. He decided to go public. As he says,
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Speaker 1: I have come to see myself not only as an
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, but also a participant observer in the style
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Speaker 1: of long adopted by anthropologists who study tribal peoples. He
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Speaker 1: wrote his book, Report on Communion, which gave a positive
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Speaker 1: conclusion that Whitley Strieber's experiences were actually happening. As Ed
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Speaker 1: Conroy says, I dislike lying, and I refuse to subject
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Speaker 1: myself to the negative psychological effects that would result from
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Speaker 1: making a secret of this material. Objectivity that does not
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Speaker 1: honestly deal with subjective elements isn't worth much to anyone,
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Speaker 1: I think. One of the most dramatic cases of this
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Speaker 1: kind comes from very prominent UFO researcher Raymond Fowler. Raymond
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Speaker 1: Fowler is best known for investigating perhaps the Betty Andreasen
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Speaker 1: case or the Allagash 4. He's a huge influence on
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Speaker 1: this field. and had always been interested in UFOs, but
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Speaker 1: he didn't know why. People would ask him why he
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Speaker 1: researched UFOs, and he just said his interest was so
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Speaker 1: strong that he called it near fanaticism, but he had
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Speaker 1: no reason to think he was personally involved until the
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Speaker 1: spring of 1980 when he was listening to Betty Andreessen
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Speaker 1: relive her encounters under hypnosis, and he himself started to
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Speaker 1: have powerful flashbacks. of aliens entering his room, strange figures.
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Speaker 1: He recalled a powerful beam of light coming to his
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Speaker 1: room and seeing a figure floating on the beam of
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Speaker 1: light coming into his room. He saw small balls of
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Speaker 1: light whizzing around. He had a number of close-up sightings
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Speaker 1: of solid metallic craft. So after getting more than a
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Speaker 1: dozen of these types of experiences, and these powerful flashbacks
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Speaker 1: increasing in vividness, he decided that he himself would go
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Speaker 1: under hypnosis. And to his shock, he discovered that he was,
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Speaker 1: in fact, an abductee. Under hypnosis, he recalled being taken
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Speaker 1: on board a craft. And on board the craft, he
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Speaker 1: saw beings there he was taken to a window and
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Speaker 1: he looked outside of the window and saw Saturn. He
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Speaker 1: said it looked as if it was right in front
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Speaker 1: of him, close up and in real life. And while
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Speaker 1: inside the UFO, he was told by these ETs that
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Speaker 1: in the far future, he would be helping people. And
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Speaker 1: while this was recalled under hypnosis and his, you know, what,
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Speaker 1: he remembered he does have physical proof or evidence at
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Speaker 1: least on August 17th 1988 he discovered a strange scoop
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Speaker 1: shaped scar on his leg identical to those of many
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Speaker 1: abductees he had studied he showed it to his doctor
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Speaker 1: who told him it looked like a punch biopsy which
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Speaker 1: is done by humans for obtaining tissue samples and after
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Speaker 1: studying his close encounters he came to the conclusion that
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Speaker 1: they were probably preordained in some way, predetermined, so that
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Speaker 1: he would become a UFO researcher. As he said, If
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Speaker 1: I did have such contacts, I believe that I may
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Speaker 1: have some linkage to the Andreasen affair. The entity that
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Speaker 1: I encountered indicated that I had been chosen to do
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Speaker 1: something significant for mankind. Could it be possible that I
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Speaker 1: have been chosen to record their message for mankind? So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a good question. Is this being done
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Speaker 1: on purpose? Did the ETs know when Raymond Fowler was
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Speaker 1: a little kid that he would be researching the Andreasson affair?
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Speaker 1: It looks like it. Hard to say, but there are many,
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Speaker 1: many cases like this. Look at what happened to Ann Druffle.
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Speaker 1: Ann Druffle's best known for writing the Tujunga Canyon Contacts
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Speaker 1: and another book, How to Protect Yourself Against Alien Abduction.
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Speaker 1: and another book about researcher James McDonald called Firestorm. She's
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Speaker 1: very prominent in the field. And it turns out she
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Speaker 1: did have her interest in UFOs sparked by an early
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Speaker 1: childhood sighting. It was 1945. She was just a little
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Speaker 1: girl living in Long Beach, and she was with her
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Speaker 1: mother when, quote, I saw an object or a greasy
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Speaker 1: blob of golden light in the clear blue sky. It
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Speaker 1: then released 15 to 20 smaller shiny objects which took
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Speaker 1: varying paths out and away from the main object. They
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Speaker 1: were little tiny bits that came out of the craft
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Speaker 1: but didn't fall to the earth. It frightened me. So
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Speaker 1: this is what we would call a UFO display. I
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Speaker 1: think it intentionally wanted her to see it. That's just
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Speaker 1: my assessment because there are so many cases like this.
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Speaker 1: And perhaps it was intentional that they did want her
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Speaker 1: to see it and that they knew she would become
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Speaker 1: a UFO researcher. Because this is the pattern that keeps
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Speaker 1: turning up. I mean, look at what happened to Edith Fiore, Ph.D.
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Speaker 1: Edith Fiore is best known for her work into past
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Speaker 1: lives and possible spirit possession. And she used hypnosis to
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Speaker 1: treat her clients. And it was... While she was using
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Speaker 1: hypnosis to treat her clients, she started to run into
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Speaker 1: people who had actually been taken on board a craft.
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Speaker 1: And this really intrigued her. By the way, Edith Fiore
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Speaker 1: is the first person with a PhD to write a
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Speaker 1: book about people who have been taken on board. Her
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Speaker 1: book is called Encounters. I definitely recommend it. At any rate,
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Speaker 1: while she was doing all this research, she became very
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Speaker 1: intrigued about the possibility of having her own encounter and
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Speaker 1: began to send out what she called mental messages and pleas,
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Speaker 1: hoping for a sighting or a message. And it was
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Speaker 1: around this time that she had a very vivid dream
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Speaker 1: that she was taken on board a UFO. And she says,
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Speaker 1: writing about the dream, My hosts treated me as an
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Speaker 1: honored guest and colleague. I sensed that they were humanoid,
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Speaker 1: not the least bit frightening or strange. She only remembered
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Speaker 1: a few bits of this dream and assumed it was
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Speaker 1: just a dream. However, later she did go under hypnosis
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Speaker 1: with researcher James Harder, Ph.D., and found out that she
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Speaker 1: was in fact a contactee. As Edith Fiore says... We
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Speaker 1: quickly discovered that I indeed had been contacted. I had
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Speaker 1: been floated out of the bedroom in my condominium in
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Speaker 1: Los Gatos, California into a spaceship. Once there, I was
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Speaker 1: treated with respect and kindness and much was explained to
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Speaker 1: me that I was not to remember until later. Then
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Speaker 1: it would filter into my mind more as memories than
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Speaker 1: as knowledge and would be very helpful to me. So
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Speaker 1: she felt some ambivalence about this recall, but it was
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Speaker 1: a month later when she really started treating UFO abductees
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Speaker 1: professionally as a psychologist. And in the next few years,
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Speaker 1: she would counsel nearly 50 people who have had onboard
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Speaker 1: experiencers and become a leading researcher. So I don't know
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Speaker 1: if this is coincidence because it keeps happening. Look what
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Speaker 1: happened to Dr. Roger Lear. who is best known for
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Speaker 1: his research into removing alien implants. He wrote a best-selling
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Speaker 1: book called Aliens and the Scalpel about his research into
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Speaker 1: alien implants. And he himself believes he may have had
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Speaker 1: an encounter. This began with a dream where he found
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Speaker 1: himself in a court-like setting. There were chairs and tables
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Speaker 1: and weird, diffuse lighting. He was shocked to see several
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Speaker 1: figures file into the room and sit down in the chairs.
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Speaker 1: And he says each of these figures was under four
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Speaker 1: feet tall and wearing shiny silk-like garments which wrapped around
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Speaker 1: their bodies. Each had a sash belted about the waist,
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Speaker 1: he said, and a hood thrown over the hood and
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Speaker 1: draped over the shoulders. And one of these beings talked
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Speaker 1: to him and gave him a message saying, and I quote, So,
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Speaker 1: you want to know the secrets? Who do you think
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Speaker 1: you are to ask this of us? Why do you
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Speaker 1: persist in your quest? And they gave him more messages
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Speaker 1: which he couldn't quite understand. Next thing he knows, he's
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Speaker 1: hearing a loud whirring sound, which is so loud that
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Speaker 1: it woke him up and he was back in bed.
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Speaker 1: And he wondered if this was just a dream because
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Speaker 1: it was so bizarre. And then he had heard the sound.
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Speaker 1: And then he found evidence that perhaps it wasn't a dream.
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Speaker 1: As he says, and I quote, My next conscious thought
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Speaker 1: was that of being back in my room, in bed
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Speaker 1: and lying next to my wife. My daughter had climbed
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Speaker 1: into bed with us and was sitting straight up staring
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Speaker 1: at me. I must have had a surprised expression on
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Speaker 1: my face. She leaned over and whispered in my ear, Daddy,
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Speaker 1: where were you? I thought I was going to have
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Speaker 1: an instant heart attack. What in the world did she mean?
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Speaker 1: He meant to ask her, but he never did. But
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Speaker 1: he did find physical evidence that he might be an
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Speaker 1: abductee when he used a black light to examine his
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Speaker 1: body and found that his body, certain patches of it,
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Speaker 1: fluoresced under an ultraviolet light. And this is a condition
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Speaker 1: that's well known among abductees and is evidence of contact.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, Dr. Lear thinks he may have been taken
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Speaker 1: on board a UFO. And they were interested in the
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Speaker 1: way he was researching them. And this seems to be
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Speaker 1: the pattern. I'm beginning to wonder if all UFO researchers
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Speaker 1: are having contact. It's just that some don't remember. Consider
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Speaker 1: what happened to Barbara Lamb, who, like Edith Fiore, became
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Speaker 1: interested in UFOs as a result of research into past lives.
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Speaker 1: This sort of thing. Barbara Lamb was using hypnotic regression
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Speaker 1: techniques to bring people back to past lives when some
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Speaker 1: people started recalling past lives as ETs or actual present
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Speaker 1: life onboard UFO encounters and it wasn't long before she
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Speaker 1: herself had face-to-face contact with ETs on multiple occasions she
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Speaker 1: revealed this all just recently in 2021 at the UFO
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Speaker 1: Megacon in Las Vegas and she talked about how she
24:54
Speaker 1: had a face-to-face encounter with a reptilian in her home
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Speaker 1: in her living room. She walked right up to it,
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Speaker 1: shook its hand. It was a very friendly, benevolent encounter.
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Speaker 1: On another occasion, after returning home from a UFO meeting
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Speaker 1: in Ventura, she was driving on the Pacific Coast Highway
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Speaker 1: along the coast there, which is a very active hotspot,
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Speaker 1: and she passed by what looked like a strange vehicle
25:21
Speaker 1: with strange people in uniforms around it, and suddenly this
25:26
Speaker 1: beam of light hit her car, and her windshield actually cracked.
25:30
Speaker 1: She was frightened and drove home. And after thinking about
25:34
Speaker 1: this anomalous experience, decided that she would go under hypnosis,
25:37
Speaker 1: which she did with Dolores Cannon. And under hypnosis, she
25:42
Speaker 1: recalled being taken on board. She recalled a beam of
25:45
Speaker 1: light hit her car. Her car, with her in it,
25:49
Speaker 1: was pulled onto a craft. And these little cute greys
25:54
Speaker 1: surrounded her car. She said they looked very childlike, friendly,
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Speaker 1: just peering in and tilting their heads. They were very thin,
26:03
Speaker 1: almost looked bony. They unlocked the doors and floated her
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Speaker 1: into another room and she was placed into a dentist-like chair.
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Speaker 1: They put a helmet over her head. They were very
26:15
Speaker 1: excited to find out that she was a UFO researcher
26:19
Speaker 1: and told her that they were taking her memories. borrowing
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Speaker 1: them is what they said, not stealing them. They made
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Speaker 1: that very clear. They told her that they were contacting
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Speaker 1: many people and trying to learn about humanity. And she
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Speaker 1: learned a bunch of information and says it was an
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Speaker 1: entirely benevolent encounter. She wasn't scared in the least. And
26:45
Speaker 1: she's since had further encounters. They always seem to come
26:49
Speaker 1: with a purpose or a message. And this is happening
26:53
Speaker 1: to a lot of UFO researchers. Consider what happened to
26:55
Speaker 1: Virginia Aronson. Virginia Aronson became interested in UFO healing cases.
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Speaker 1: She actually contacted me after reading my book, UFO Healings,
27:07
Speaker 1: and wrote her own book, Celestial Healings, about people who
27:12
Speaker 1: have been healed as a result of UFO contact. And
27:17
Speaker 1: as she looked into the UFO phenomena She began having encounters.
27:22
Speaker 1: She had a visitation right into her bedroom. Once she
27:25
Speaker 1: woke up, there was this weird glittery substance all over
27:28
Speaker 1: her hands. And looking back into her childhood, into her past,
27:33
Speaker 1: she found several incidents which pointed towards contact. So now
27:40
Speaker 1: she's beginning to wonder if she's in contact with the ETs.
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Speaker 1: As she writes... when I began to explore the celestial
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Speaker 1: healing phenomenon I did not suspect that I too might
27:50
Speaker 1: have a personal history of ET experiences now I would
27:54
Speaker 1: not be surprised to discover that I do there are
27:56
Speaker 1: indeed a number of indicators that in retrospect could point
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Speaker 1: to a history of some kind of relationship with non-human
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Speaker 1: beings and in fact she believes she may have actually
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Speaker 1: been healed as many people have also reported So I
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Speaker 1: was really surprised to see how many researchers are reporting this.
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Speaker 1: Another is Leo Sprinkle, a very well-known researcher who's written
28:22
Speaker 1: a number of books about UFOs. Leo Sprinkle had a
28:26
Speaker 1: sighting in the fall of 1949 while attending the University
28:31
Speaker 1: of Colorado at Boulder. He saw this metallic disk with
28:36
Speaker 1: his friend. They refused to talk about it to anyone
28:39
Speaker 1: but each other for being fear of called kooks. And
28:43
Speaker 1: it was not long later in 1956, seven years later,
28:49
Speaker 1: when he and his wife had a sighting again of
28:53
Speaker 1: this anomalous object. As he says, we watched it for
28:57
Speaker 1: several minutes. It would hover, then move, hover, then move.
29:02
Speaker 1: It had no sound and no features that I could observe,
29:05
Speaker 1: but I knew something unusual was going on because I
29:09
Speaker 1: could hear the honking of the horns below us in Colorado.
29:13
Speaker 1: So this was a brilliant red light that he saw
29:16
Speaker 1: while driving with his wife near Boulder. And the object
29:21
Speaker 1: then moved off and disappeared. And this was what really
29:25
Speaker 1: inspired him to research UFOs. It changed his life. He
29:29
Speaker 1: ended up getting a doctorate in psychology. He also worked
29:33
Speaker 1: in the army for a number of years before this.
29:36
Speaker 1: But he became the first UFO researcher to use hypnosis
29:40
Speaker 1: to uncover hidden memories, missing time in abductees. And he
29:48
Speaker 1: was one of the first real academics to study the
29:51
Speaker 1: subject of UFOs scientifically. So a very profound and influential researcher.
29:57
Speaker 1: He actually founded was a founder of the popular Rocky
30:02
Speaker 1: Mountain UFO Conference, which was held yearly for decades, and
30:07
Speaker 1: was just a very, very influential figure in this field.
30:11
Speaker 1: And he always assumed that his interest in UFOs was
30:15
Speaker 1: limited to these two sightings and the work he did
30:18
Speaker 1: with abductees. But after getting some flashbacks of weird childhood
30:26
Speaker 1: encounters himself, He decided he would go under hypnosis. And
30:31
Speaker 1: under hypnosis, he discovered that he was, in fact, a
30:34
Speaker 1: contactee and had been since he was a little boy.
30:38
Speaker 1: Under hypnosis, he recalled that as a child in his
30:41
Speaker 1: home in Rocky Ford, Colorado, he was taken on board
30:44
Speaker 1: a spacecraft. Just like Raymond Fowler reported, Leo Sprinkle recalls
30:51
Speaker 1: looking out of a porthole and seeing not only stars,
30:53
Speaker 1: but again, an image of the planet Saturn, lifelike and
30:58
Speaker 1: close up. A tall man stood right beside him and
31:01
Speaker 1: told Leo Sprinkle that Leo should learn to read and
31:06
Speaker 1: write well and that as an adult he would help
31:09
Speaker 1: other people to become aware of their purpose of their life.
31:15
Speaker 1: So Leo Sprinkle believes, yeah, he was taken on board
31:18
Speaker 1: and guided by friendly ETs. And ETs, I mean, this
31:24
Speaker 1: is really interesting. Did the ETs know that he would
31:29
Speaker 1: become a very prominent and influential researcher, just like Raymond Fowler?
31:34
Speaker 1: I think so. I really do, because it keeps happening.
31:39
Speaker 1: And many, many researchers are reporting this. They will start
31:44
Speaker 1: researching UFOs, and then UFOs research them, or vice versa.
31:48
Speaker 1: They have a UFO sighting, and that causes them to
31:50
Speaker 1: become a very prominent UFO researcher. Well, look at what
31:54
Speaker 1: happened to Timothy Goode, one of my favorite researchers. He's
31:58
Speaker 1: from England. He's written a number of really excellent books
32:03
Speaker 1: like Above Top Secret and many others. In 1961, Timothy
32:10
Speaker 1: Goode became interested in the subject of UFOs and began
32:13
Speaker 1: to read and research the subject. He learned that telepathy
32:18
Speaker 1: often plays a powerful role. He was particularly interested in
32:21
Speaker 1: accounts involving human-looking ETs. Many of the accounts he has
32:26
Speaker 1: written about involve human-looking ETs. And one evening in 1967,
32:32
Speaker 1: Timothy Goode was staying at the Park Sheraton Hotel in Manhattan,
32:36
Speaker 1: New York, and on a whim decided to conduct an
32:40
Speaker 1: experiment in telepathically trying to contact ETs. For about an hour,
32:46
Speaker 1: he sat in the lobby of the hotel sending out
32:49
Speaker 1: the mental message, and I quote, If there are any
32:53
Speaker 1: space people around, let your presence be known. And to
32:58
Speaker 1: his shock, his request was answered. As Timothy Goode writes, Finally,
33:06
Speaker 1: as I was about to give up, a very healthy
33:08
Speaker 1: looking man about 5 foot 10 inches came over, sat
33:13
Speaker 1: down beside me, and took out a copy of the
33:15
Speaker 1: New York Times from his attache case. Goode was amazed
33:20
Speaker 1: and stunned. And he mentally sent out a message saying,
33:25
Speaker 1: if you're a spaceman, touch your finger to your nose.
33:30
Speaker 1: The response was immediate and positive. As Timothy Goode writes,
33:35
Speaker 1: without once looking directly at me, he did exactly as
33:39
Speaker 1: I had requested in my silent message. Timothy Goode was
33:43
Speaker 1: so amazed that he was unable to react as the
33:45
Speaker 1: man quickly stood up and walked away. But to this day,
33:48
Speaker 1: he's convinced that he made contact with a human-looking ET
33:52
Speaker 1: right there in the heart of New York City. Which
33:55
Speaker 1: may sound amazing, but there are other cases where people
33:58
Speaker 1: have seen ETs in public places. He's not the only one.
34:03
Speaker 1: And in fact, he had another encounter like this at
34:06
Speaker 1: a UFO meeting. This does happen. Another researcher who had
34:12
Speaker 1: an encounter is Malcolm Robinson. He is the author of
34:17
Speaker 1: UFO Case Files of Scotland, Volumes 1 and 2, and
34:21
Speaker 1: several other books. And what many people don't know is
34:24
Speaker 1: that his research was inspired by a sighting in 1970
34:28
Speaker 1: when he was around 13, maybe 14 years old. He
34:32
Speaker 1: was at his primary school, at Bankery Primary School, playing
34:39
Speaker 1: football there. when he looked up and was shocked to see, quote,
34:44
Speaker 1: a white egg-shaped object floating about 200 yards or so
34:50
Speaker 1: up in the sky. He pointed it out to his friends,
34:52
Speaker 1: and they all looked at it, wondering what it could be. Obviously,
34:56
Speaker 1: it wasn't a plane or a helicopter. His friends thought
34:59
Speaker 1: it might be a balloon, but Malcolm Robinson was sure
35:02
Speaker 1: that it wasn't, because it was very large, about 30
35:05
Speaker 1: feet across, and stationary in the sky. And, uh, as
35:10
Speaker 1: Malcolm Robinson says, and I quote, it looked so strange
35:14
Speaker 1: and majestic in this lovely summer sky. I remember thinking,
35:18
Speaker 1: what can it be? What purpose did it serve? I
35:21
Speaker 1: took my gaze away from the object for only a
35:23
Speaker 1: matter of seconds, but somewhat inevitably, in that small space
35:27
Speaker 1: of time between looking away and looking back, the object
35:29
Speaker 1: had gone. It had completely vanished. And it ended up
35:34
Speaker 1: having a profound effect on his life. I mean, he
35:37
Speaker 1: became a UFO researcher. What's really interesting is he completely
35:42
Speaker 1: forgot about this sighting. He didn't know it. He researched
35:45
Speaker 1: UFOs for years until suddenly remembering this. As Malcolm Robinson writes,
35:51
Speaker 1: This then was my first introduction into what would later
35:54
Speaker 1: in life mean so very much to me. Funnily enough,
35:58
Speaker 1: in my lifetime of UFO investigating and regularly talking to
36:02
Speaker 1: numerous journalists and television people, all who wanted to know
36:06
Speaker 1: if I had my own UFO experiences, I have never
36:09
Speaker 1: recalled this incident until now. It is only now that
36:14
Speaker 1: this recollection has come back to me. Strange indeed. So
36:19
Speaker 1: here we have that weird pattern again. I mean, he
36:22
Speaker 1: didn't even remember, and yet he became a very prominent
36:26
Speaker 1: and influential researcher. And a lot of researchers are reporting sightings.
36:34
Speaker 1: From early childhood, or right after they start researching UFOs.
36:40
Speaker 1: Look at Walt Andrus, who is the co-founder of MUFON,
36:45
Speaker 1: the Mutual UFO Network, the world's largest civilian UFO research organization,
36:51
Speaker 1: and still operating today. Way back on August 15, 1948,
36:57
Speaker 1: Walt Andrus, who worked for the U.S. Navy electronics technician
37:02
Speaker 1: He was a pilot and amateur radio operator, and it
37:05
Speaker 1: was his job to launch weather balloons, actually. And he
37:09
Speaker 1: was in downtown Phoenix, Arizona with his wife and child
37:12
Speaker 1: when his five-year-old son shouted out, Daddy, look, silver balloons.
37:18
Speaker 1: And he looked and he saw four round dull silver
37:21
Speaker 1: objects floating in the northwest sky moving west. And they
37:27
Speaker 1: were in a geometric formation. They were totally silent. He's
37:31
Speaker 1: absolutely sure they weren't balloons because he's very familiar with balloons.
37:36
Speaker 1: As a weather observer, he launched balloons on a daily basis.
37:41
Speaker 1: A lot of people were there. They all stopped what
37:43
Speaker 1: they were doing and stared in amazement. This was a
37:46
Speaker 1: very brazen sighting, very much in your face, kind of, again,
37:51
Speaker 1: a display. And the objects moved across flying in formation
37:57
Speaker 1: and then suddenly disappeared. And then they reappeared again, and
38:02
Speaker 1: he could definitely see that these were thin, disk-like objects.
38:07
Speaker 1: As Walt Andrews says, you remember it vividly. It makes
38:11
Speaker 1: an impression in your mind that you never wipe out.
38:15
Speaker 1: Following this, he became fascinated by UFOs. He joined APRO,
38:20
Speaker 1: the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, which was the only research
38:25
Speaker 1: organization out there, really, at that time. and later became,
38:31
Speaker 1: as I said, the co-founder of MUFON. I think the
38:34
Speaker 1: ETs may have known this because this is exactly what
38:38
Speaker 1: happened to Jim and Coral Lorenzen, who are actually the
38:43
Speaker 1: founders of APRO, the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization. Before founding APRO,
38:49
Speaker 1: on June 10, 1947, Coral Lorenzen stepped outside on her
38:55
Speaker 1: porch when she saw a glow forming to the south
38:59
Speaker 1: It increased in brightness until it became a bright ball
39:02
Speaker 1: of light which zipped upwards at high speeds until disappearing
39:06
Speaker 1: off into the distance. She was shocked and it absolutely
39:11
Speaker 1: convinced her that she had seen something really unusual. As
39:16
Speaker 1: she says, and I quote, Fantastic as it might seem,
39:20
Speaker 1: there was only one explanation for the thing I had seen.
39:23
Speaker 1: There might be intelligent life on other worlds, and their
39:26
Speaker 1: ships were the strange things people had reported in the heavens.
39:30
Speaker 1: from time to time through the years. And it was
39:33
Speaker 1: five years later in January of 1952 that Coral and
39:37
Speaker 1: Jim Lorenzen founded the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, the first
39:44
Speaker 1: civilian UFO research group of any size and influence. I
39:50
Speaker 1: wonder if the ETs knew this. She later did have
39:53
Speaker 1: another sighting on November 9, 1957 in New Mexico during
39:58
Speaker 1: a huge wave of sightings that was sweeping across New
40:01
Speaker 1: Mexico and Texas in particular, but all across the country.
40:06
Speaker 1: So this is a pattern that is quite prominent. Many,
40:12
Speaker 1: many UFO researchers, I'm wondering if it's all of them,
40:15
Speaker 1: have had encounters. Maybe some just don't remember. but we're
40:19
Speaker 1: influenced this subconsciously. That's pure speculation on my part, but
40:24
Speaker 1: this is so common. For example, Grant Cameron, who is
40:29
Speaker 1: a very prominent researcher. He's written a book about UFOs
40:33
Speaker 1: and presidents, UFOs and musicians. He wrote an excellent book
40:37
Speaker 1: called UFO Bedtime Stories. Runs a very popular podcast. He's
40:43
Speaker 1: a very popular and influential researcher. A lot of people
40:47
Speaker 1: don't know is he only became a researcher after having
40:50
Speaker 1: his own sighting. This was in 1975 in the town
40:55
Speaker 1: of Carmen, Manitoba, where he saw a bright red glowing
41:00
Speaker 1: object which came to be popularly known as Charlie Red Star.
41:06
Speaker 1: This was a huge wave of sightings which took place
41:10
Speaker 1: during the summers of 1975 and 1976. Hundreds of people
41:15
Speaker 1: saw this object, including police officers and television crews. Many,
41:21
Speaker 1: many people saw this. Some saw different objects. Some people
41:25
Speaker 1: saw entities. It was a huge wave of sightings in
41:30
Speaker 1: which the ETs seemed to be putting on a publicity campaign,
41:33
Speaker 1: showing themselves off intentionally. And perhaps we know why. They
41:38
Speaker 1: were trying to interest people, announce their presence. It certainly
41:42
Speaker 1: worked for Grant Cameron, and it turned him into a
41:45
Speaker 1: very prominent UFO researcher. I really wonder if this is
41:50
Speaker 1: one of the reasons they're showing themselves to people. I
41:54
Speaker 1: think so, because look at what happened to Peter Davenport.
42:00
Speaker 1: Peter Davenport was just six years old on July 17, 1954,
42:06
Speaker 1: when he went to the Skyline Drive-In Theater in St. Louis, Missouri,
42:11
Speaker 1: and was watching the movie with about 600 other people
42:15
Speaker 1: when suddenly this bright glowing red UFO showed up very
42:19
Speaker 1: low it shined this eerie red light all over the
42:22
Speaker 1: parking lot there everybody saw it he was extremely impressed
42:27
Speaker 1: this caused in him a lifelong interest in UFOs and
42:35
Speaker 1: absolutely convinced him that UFOs were real he held this
42:41
Speaker 1: interest in UFOs throughout his life. He wasn't an investigator,
42:45
Speaker 1: but he did become very good friends with Bob Gribble,
42:48
Speaker 1: a very prominent researcher who was actually the founder of
42:53
Speaker 1: New Fork, the National UFO Reporting Center. And Bob Gribble
43:00
Speaker 1: founded this organization in 1974. And 20 years later, he
43:03
Speaker 1: had just gotten overwhelmed with work and couldn't do it
43:11
Speaker 1: anymore and told Peter Davenport that he was giving it
43:14
Speaker 1: up because he couldn't find anyone else to take it over.
43:17
Speaker 1: And Peter Davenport agreed to become the director of the
43:23
Speaker 1: National UFO Reporting Center. And this is how Peter Davenport
43:29
Speaker 1: became a very influential figure in the UFO field. And
43:34
Speaker 1: it all started with his childhood sighting. As Peter Davenport says,
43:40
Speaker 1: and I quote in his own words, what originally got
43:43
Speaker 1: me involved in UFOs was the very dramatic sighting I
43:46
Speaker 1: had as a young boy. It was at that point
43:49
Speaker 1: that I was committed to becoming the director of the
43:52
Speaker 1: National UFO Reporting Center. It looks to me, and at
43:55
Speaker 1: first it became apparent to me from that sighting, that
43:59
Speaker 1: we are dealing with something that is not manufactured on
44:01
Speaker 1: this planet. The reason I'm the director of the National
44:05
Speaker 1: UFO Reporting Center is because of that sighting in 1954.
44:13
Speaker 1: So there's that pattern again, and this is what makes
44:15
Speaker 1: me think the ETs are doing this on purpose, and
44:18
Speaker 1: perhaps they know that these people will become very influential
44:24
Speaker 1: in the field. They do have the ability to predict
44:28
Speaker 1: future events. They have given people many prophecies which have
44:32
Speaker 1: come true. I've talked to people who've had this experience.
44:36
Speaker 1: So perhaps they are doing this intentionally. And look at
44:41
Speaker 1: what happened to Bud Hopkins. Bud Hopkins, of course, was
44:46
Speaker 1: at his time the single most influential leading UFO researcher
44:52
Speaker 1: in UFO abductions. He wrote his book Missing Time, Intruders,
44:58
Speaker 1: and many other very influential books. And what many people
45:02
Speaker 1: don't know is he had a sighting in 1964 which
45:07
Speaker 1: got him involved in UFO research. He was driving with
45:11
Speaker 1: four friends near Truro, Massachusetts, when they came upon a
45:18
Speaker 1: UFO hovering overhead. They all saw it. Bud Hopkins was driving.
45:24
Speaker 1: Someone else pointed it out. It was a silvery disc
45:29
Speaker 1: that sometimes got hidden in the cloud banks. The clouds
45:32
Speaker 1: would move by, and they all saw it, and it
45:35
Speaker 1: was just hovering in place as if it meant to
45:40
Speaker 1: be seen, and it was not that high up. According
45:44
Speaker 1: to Bud, it was pretty large, two car lengths long,
45:47
Speaker 1: he estimates, not moving, and dull aluminum in color. And
45:54
Speaker 1: as they drove closer to it, they actually drove right
45:59
Speaker 1: under it, And it was definitely a solid craft. And
46:05
Speaker 1: as they're watching it, it started to slowly move away.
46:10
Speaker 1: And they watched this thing. They actually stopped the car
46:14
Speaker 1: and jumped out as they watched this thing move off
46:18
Speaker 1: to the northeast. And he said it was actually pretty slow,
46:23
Speaker 1: moved like the speed of a small airplane. And he said,
46:27
Speaker 1: we were stunned, confused, and excited. And he says, one
46:33
Speaker 1: of us, I forget who, said, do you suppose that
46:38
Speaker 1: was one of those flying saucers you used to read about?
46:42
Speaker 1: And this is what really inspired him to become a
46:45
Speaker 1: UFO researcher. At the time, he was a very successful artist.
46:49
Speaker 1: He did not need to research UFOs. Following this, he
46:55
Speaker 1: noticed that a lot of his art was actually featuring
47:00
Speaker 1: these round objects, very much like the one he had seen.
47:05
Speaker 1: So that intrigued him as well. At any rate, it
47:08
Speaker 1: doesn't appear to be a coincidence that he saw this
47:11
Speaker 1: UFO and shortly later began investigating UFOs. So this is
47:17
Speaker 1: UFO investigators disease. And I can tell you I have
47:22
Speaker 1: caught a bad case of it. And I would like
47:25
Speaker 1: to talk about my own encounters because a number of
47:27
Speaker 1: you have asked me to do this, and so, yeah,
47:31
Speaker 1: let's talk about my own encounters. I did recently speak
47:35
Speaker 1: at the UFO Megacon in Laughlin, Nevada, where I talked
47:40
Speaker 1: about it, so I think it's okay now to spill
47:43
Speaker 1: the beans and tell you that, yes, I have had
47:47
Speaker 1: contact with UFOs, and perhaps even more than that. When
47:52
Speaker 1: I first became interested in UFOs because of a news
47:55
Speaker 1: report in 1986... And I discovered that my brother had
47:59
Speaker 1: seen a UFO. My brother Mark, his wife, my sister-in-law,
48:04
Speaker 1: had had face-to-face encounters with short, blue, dwarf-like beings when
48:10
Speaker 1: she was a kid. I had several friends who had
48:14
Speaker 1: close-up sightings. One had missing time. People at work that
48:18
Speaker 1: I worked with had had close-up sightings. One, they had
48:22
Speaker 1: encounters with gray-tied BTs. Another had missing time. So yeah,
48:27
Speaker 1: this was in my family. My sister had a baby
48:31
Speaker 1: later and had a close-up encounter. Two nephews had close encounters.
48:36
Speaker 1: So this is definitely in my family. But I personally
48:41
Speaker 1: hadn't had any encounters. I scoured my past looking for
48:45
Speaker 1: anything that might be any clue that I have had
48:48
Speaker 1: some kind of contact with UFOs, and I found nothing,
48:51
Speaker 1: really nothing. More recently, I have discovered what might have
48:56
Speaker 1: been an incident involving missing time when I was about
48:59
Speaker 1: eight years old. So now I'm wondering. But that wasn't
49:04
Speaker 1: apparent to me at the time. So I just became
49:07
Speaker 1: very much obsessed by UFOs and started researching them. And
49:10
Speaker 1: it wasn't long before I had my own encounter. The
49:13
Speaker 1: first occurred at a UFO meeting down in Santa Monica
49:16
Speaker 1: with contactee Andy Rice, who after talking about his experiences
49:21
Speaker 1: at a little UFO meeting there, took a group of
49:24
Speaker 1: about 20 of us out into the park across the
49:27
Speaker 1: street in downtown Santa Monica and called down a UFO.
49:32
Speaker 1: I was amazed. He actually did it. There were no
49:34
Speaker 1: stars in the sky. The light pollution was too thick
49:37
Speaker 1: and But we weren't out there very long when he
49:40
Speaker 1: pointed to the sky and said, here they come. And
49:43
Speaker 1: about 20 seconds later, this huge star-like object swooped down.
49:47
Speaker 1: It looked like a shooting star, but it was much
49:50
Speaker 1: brighter and had a weird kind of angle to it.
49:52
Speaker 1: But it was a bit ambiguous. Still, it was impressive
49:55
Speaker 1: that he could point to this section of the sky
49:57
Speaker 1: and it appeared. That was my first real sighting. And
50:02
Speaker 1: I was really intrigued. It was not long after this
50:06
Speaker 1: that I became embroiled in a huge investigation into a
50:09
Speaker 1: UFO wave over Topanga Canyon. This was in the summer
50:13
Speaker 1: of 1992. I've since written a book about this called
50:18
Speaker 1: UFOs Over Topanga Canyon. And during this investigation, I did
50:22
Speaker 1: have a couple of sightings of anomalous lights, nothing I
50:25
Speaker 1: would really write home about. But it was in July
50:29
Speaker 1: of 1992 that my family and I went up to
50:32
Speaker 1: Northern California to the Mount Shasta Crater Lake area. And
50:37
Speaker 1: I had a really cool sighting with my brother, Mark,
50:41
Speaker 1: and my sister-in-law, Kisara. We stayed up late one night.
50:45
Speaker 1: The rest of the family was asleep. We were looking
50:47
Speaker 1: at the stars when my brother shot it out. I
50:49
Speaker 1: saw something. And he grabbed the flashlight and flashed upwards.
50:53
Speaker 1: And we all looked up and saw this bright, bright
50:55
Speaker 1: light flash back at us. It wasn't a satellite, I
50:59
Speaker 1: can tell you that. It was bright and the light
51:01
Speaker 1: kind of moved out from the sides and it disappeared.
51:05
Speaker 1: Mark flashed the flashlight twice and this object flashed twice
51:09
Speaker 1: back at us. It was obvious communication. This was a
51:14
Speaker 1: CE5 event. And it was really crazy and really coincidental
51:20
Speaker 1: because it was a month later that I actually became
51:26
Speaker 1: a member of CSETI, the Center for the Study of
51:29
Speaker 1: Extraterrestrial Intelligence, founded by Dr. Stephen Greer. He came to L.A.
51:34
Speaker 1: to form a chapter here in Southern California. I wasn't
51:38
Speaker 1: going to go to his meeting there, his presentation, because
51:42
Speaker 1: I couldn't afford it. He was asking for a couple
51:44
Speaker 1: hundred bucks, and I'm like, no. But the newspaper, the
51:48
Speaker 1: local paper, the messenger, called me up and offered to
51:52
Speaker 1: pay my way and if I would write an article.
51:58
Speaker 1: They said, we don't know why we're doing this, but
52:01
Speaker 1: we feel compelled to do it. I was shocked, but
52:04
Speaker 1: I totally agreed, of course, and went to the lecture
52:07
Speaker 1: and was shocked when Stephen Greer mentioned two of my
52:09
Speaker 1: own cases, which I had researched, in which people used
52:13
Speaker 1: lights and lasers as a publicity stunt for radio stations
52:18
Speaker 1: or NBC. They were designed to attract attention, but to
52:22
Speaker 1: their shock, They called down UFOs twice. The main guy
52:27
Speaker 1: says this happens frequently whenever he does his light shows.
52:32
Speaker 1: UFOs will appear. So Stephen Greer was talking about this
52:36
Speaker 1: as a method to call down UFOs. And that night,
52:39
Speaker 1: we went up to the Santa Susana Pass, which is
52:42
Speaker 1: not far from where we were holding a lecture in
52:45
Speaker 1: Canoga Park. And this is a pretty rural area, though
52:50
Speaker 1: it does overlook the San Fernando Valley. And no sooner
52:53
Speaker 1: had we got there, there was a group of about
52:55
Speaker 1: 50 of us, and someone shouted out, look! And we
52:58
Speaker 1: all looked upwards, and there was this huge blob of
53:01
Speaker 1: light way up there at the zenith. But it was big.
53:05
Speaker 1: It was about as big as a half moon, maybe.
53:08
Speaker 1: And moving across the sky for just a short moment
53:11
Speaker 1: before winking out, I was impressed. I knew it wasn't
53:14
Speaker 1: a satellite. It wasn't a plane or a balloon or
53:17
Speaker 1: a helicopter or anything like that. It was a UFO.
53:22
Speaker 1: And a much smaller group of us went out the
53:25
Speaker 1: next night, about 20 of us, and had another encounter
53:28
Speaker 1: where weird strobes of light came over our group. I
53:31
Speaker 1: was hooked. We formed a core group of about 10
53:35
Speaker 1: members and periodically had sightings with anomalous lights, mostly. Over
53:44
Speaker 1: a period of about five years, we did this every
53:46
Speaker 1: other month or so. late at night, and would have
53:49
Speaker 1: sightings calling down UFOs. It was amazing. Probably one of
53:54
Speaker 1: our best was, again, at Santa Susana Pass, where these
53:57
Speaker 1: bright lights appeared, and we communicated at them with our flashlights.
54:01
Speaker 1: They'd blink, we'd blink, we'd blink, they'd blink. At one point,
54:05
Speaker 1: we flashed our flashlights, and these lights we were flashing
54:10
Speaker 1: with suddenly flared up bright, bright red, very powerfully, like
54:14
Speaker 1: a giant prism. It was beautiful. I've never seen anything
54:18
Speaker 1: quite that bright. And not a red light, certainly. I
54:22
Speaker 1: don't know how anyone could make a red light that
54:24
Speaker 1: bright in the area where we were looking at it.
54:28
Speaker 1: So yeah, I joined CSETI and I started having sightings
54:31
Speaker 1: regularly with CSETI. And it was during this time I
54:34
Speaker 1: started to have my own sightings. 1992 was really the
54:38
Speaker 1: breakaway year for me. And my first real sighting occurred
54:43
Speaker 1: in late July of 1992 when I was driving home
54:46
Speaker 1: through Woodland Hills. I had just left my brother's house, Mark,
54:51
Speaker 1: and Kisara in Woodland Hills. And I was still on
54:56
Speaker 1: their street, actually, Galandrina. It's a tiny little street. And
54:59
Speaker 1: I was coming around a hairpin corner when suddenly I
55:03
Speaker 1: was going like two, three miles per hour around this
55:05
Speaker 1: hairpin corner when a bird came swooping down at my car.
55:09
Speaker 1: I thought it was a bird. It was way high up,
55:11
Speaker 1: 300 feet up, maybe to my right. And looking up,
55:15
Speaker 1: I saw instantly this wasn't a bird because it was glowing.
55:18
Speaker 1: I thought, gosh, could this be a firecracker? You know,
55:21
Speaker 1: it's late July. But I knew instantly it wasn't a
55:24
Speaker 1: firecracker because this thing targeted me. It came right for
55:28
Speaker 1: my car and stopped in front of my windshield. It's
55:31
Speaker 1: as close as I am now to this computer screen.
55:34
Speaker 1: It was a foot away, maybe two feet. And it
55:38
Speaker 1: was a small golf ball-sized orb bright yellow white maybe
55:45
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger than a golf ball totally silent
55:48
Speaker 1: and it went back and forth back and forth two
55:52
Speaker 1: maybe three times stopped it was right over the hood
55:56
Speaker 1: of my car and then it moved forward dipped down
56:00
Speaker 1: almost touched the street and went straight up through the
56:02
Speaker 1: canopy of trees and was gone and weirdly I completely
56:06
Speaker 1: forgot about it it left my mind I did not
56:09
Speaker 1: remember I now think I had a missing time. I
56:12
Speaker 1: don't remember driving home or anything really after this. It
56:17
Speaker 1: was only several months later that I even remembered the sighting.
56:21
Speaker 1: And it took me a while to realize that I
56:23
Speaker 1: may have in fact had a missing time. So yeah,
56:26
Speaker 1: that was my first really close encounter, but more started
56:30
Speaker 1: to follow very quickly in fact. And it was not
56:36
Speaker 1: long after that that I had another sighting. I had
56:44
Speaker 1: a really good sighting with C-SETI on July 16th, 1994,
56:49
Speaker 1: where I was heading a C-SETI meditation. And there were
56:53
Speaker 1: C-SETI groups all across the U.S. trying to call down UFOs.
56:57
Speaker 1: And during the meditation, I got a really strong impulse
57:00
Speaker 1: to look up. And I resisted it first, but the Boom,
57:04
Speaker 1: finally I just looked up and this little pinprick of
57:06
Speaker 1: light appeared and it got bigger and bigger and bigger
57:08
Speaker 1: and bigger and bigger until it was like covering most
57:10
Speaker 1: of the sky. And it winked out. I was the
57:13
Speaker 1: only one who saw it, but I was really impressed
57:16
Speaker 1: because I got a very powerful telepathic impression to look up,
57:20
Speaker 1: we're here, we're here, look up. And this sort of
57:23
Speaker 1: thing has happened again. It was around this same time
57:28
Speaker 1: that I was interviewing a lady I'll call Wendy, who
57:32
Speaker 1: was an abductee, and her case was extremely extensive. She
57:37
Speaker 1: reported having hybrid babies. Once she reported waking up and
57:41
Speaker 1: finding greys around her bed, she jumped up and kicked
57:44
Speaker 1: one in the neck and snapped its neck. And so
57:47
Speaker 1: I was transcribing her interview one evening in my condo
57:50
Speaker 1: in Canoga Park, and I had just gotten to that
57:54
Speaker 1: part where she had snapped a grey's neck, and I
57:58
Speaker 1: thought to myself, is this real? This is a lot.
58:01
Speaker 1: I mean, I was sure she was telling the truth.
58:03
Speaker 1: She's very sincere. She's since become a very good friend.
58:07
Speaker 1: But this was a lot for me to take in.
58:09
Speaker 1: And I'm leaning back in my chair wondering, like, is
58:11
Speaker 1: this for real? How do I wrap my head around this?
58:15
Speaker 1: When I got a very powerful impulse to go under
58:17
Speaker 1: the roof of my condo, so powerful, in fact, I
58:20
Speaker 1: couldn't resist it. And before I even knew what I
58:23
Speaker 1: was doing, I had grabbed my glasses, which I use
58:26
Speaker 1: for driving, I'm slightly nearsighted, and I ran up onto
58:30
Speaker 1: the roof of my condo. You're not allowed up there.
58:32
Speaker 1: I don't go up there. But there I was on
58:35
Speaker 1: the roof of my condo with my glasses on, wondering
58:37
Speaker 1: what the heck I was doing. I wasn't up there
58:40
Speaker 1: more than 20 seconds when this UFO appeared right across
58:44
Speaker 1: the street, maybe 200 feet away, treetop level, right above
58:48
Speaker 1: the palm trees there. It was a bright, fiery orange disc,
58:53
Speaker 1: maybe 5 to 10 feet in diameter, very apparent, And
58:58
Speaker 1: it blasted me with a message, a telepathic message. It
59:03
Speaker 1: wasn't in English, it wasn't in words, but the message
59:06
Speaker 1: was clear. And the message was, hi, we're Wendy's ETs,
59:11
Speaker 1: you don't believe, huh? She's telling the truth. Watch this.
59:16
Speaker 1: And this thing darted around, back and forth, back and forth,
59:19
Speaker 1: back and forth, ten times, maybe twenty, at sharp, acute angles,
59:25
Speaker 1: very high speed, and disappeared. I was stunned. I stumbled
59:30
Speaker 1: back downstairs. I should have called Wendy right away. I
59:34
Speaker 1: don't even know if I had missing time. I honestly don't.
59:36
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I know that missing time
59:39
Speaker 1: can be seamless. At any rate, I called her up
59:42
Speaker 1: the next day and I says, Wendy, you're not going
59:44
Speaker 1: to believe it. Your ETs came to say hi and
59:47
Speaker 1: to let me know that you were telling the truth.
59:50
Speaker 1: And she's like, I told you. I mean, we had
59:53
Speaker 1: a good laugh about it and continued to interview her.
59:57
Speaker 1: And as I said, I've become very good friends with her.
1:00:00
Speaker 1: Still am in touch with her. In fact, I did
1:00:01
Speaker 1: a YouTube video with her recently called Conversation with a Walk-In.
1:00:07
Speaker 1: So you can look that up if you'd like. At
1:00:09
Speaker 1: any rate, Wendy told me she's in telepathic contact with
1:00:14
Speaker 1: the ETs. And I said, well, I'd like to see
1:00:17
Speaker 1: a UFO close up, even closer than that. I already
1:00:22
Speaker 1: had a close-up sighting, but I wanted to see them
1:00:24
Speaker 1: see them. Because I wasn't ready for that. That really
1:00:28
Speaker 1: surprised me. And she agreed and said she'd get back
1:00:32
Speaker 1: to me. She called me up a few weeks later
1:00:34
Speaker 1: and said, okay, the ETs have agreed to show themselves
1:00:37
Speaker 1: to you. I was super excited. So off we went
1:00:42
Speaker 1: to the predetermined location at a predetermined time. This is
1:00:46
Speaker 1: off the 210 freeway in Pasadena in Southern California. I
1:00:51
Speaker 1: went with Wendy, my sister-in-law Kisara, and my nephew, James,
1:00:58
Speaker 1: Kisara's son. And we pulled off the friary. Wendy pointed
1:01:04
Speaker 1: to this smallish mountain. She said, we have to climb
1:01:08
Speaker 1: up there, and the ETs will show themselves to you.
1:01:12
Speaker 1: So that's what we did. And it was a strenuous
1:01:15
Speaker 1: 20-minute hike. And Kisara and my nephew, James, fell behind
1:01:21
Speaker 1: us a couple of hundred yards, and Wendy and I
1:01:23
Speaker 1: arrived at the top, And no sooner had we got
1:01:27
Speaker 1: to the top of this little mountain there, or at
1:01:30
Speaker 1: least top of part of the mountain, there were other
1:01:33
Speaker 1: peaks above us, and Wendy screams and spins me around
1:01:40
Speaker 1: and points. She didn't need to point because right in
1:01:42
Speaker 1: front of us, about 30, 40 feet away, maybe 50. Gosh,
1:01:47
Speaker 1: I mean, it was close. It was like the house
1:01:50
Speaker 1: next door close. And it was very, very low. no
1:01:55
Speaker 1: higher than a tree, definitely treetop level, and it was
1:01:59
Speaker 1: a huge golden sphere covered with lights. It was exquisitely beautiful,
1:02:06
Speaker 1: as big as a house, totally silent, hovering there perfectly
1:02:10
Speaker 1: still for just a few moments. I didn't receive any
1:02:13
Speaker 1: messages other than maybe, hi, it's us, but no, not really.
1:02:18
Speaker 1: It was just there in your face. We were screaming,
1:02:21
Speaker 1: jumping up and down. We were so happy. I mean,
1:02:24
Speaker 1: it was unmistakably beautiful. It was absolutely gorgeous. And it
1:02:33
Speaker 1: was there for just maybe 30 seconds, breathtakingly beautiful. When
1:02:38
Speaker 1: finally it started to move off slowly, we ran after
1:02:41
Speaker 1: it for just a few seconds because then it started
1:02:44
Speaker 1: really moving fast and zipped away like a bullet. It
1:02:48
Speaker 1: moved about five miles away in one second as it
1:02:51
Speaker 1: sort of twirled around this in a parabola and went
1:02:56
Speaker 1: behind the mountain that we were climbing and disappeared. I mean,
1:03:02
Speaker 1: it went so fast you could barely follow it with
1:03:05
Speaker 1: your eyes and left sort of this golden tracer. It
1:03:09
Speaker 1: was really cool and probably one of my best sightings ever.
1:03:15
Speaker 1: And as Wendy says, and I'll just quote Wendy directly,
1:03:18
Speaker 1: we looked up and there was that thing, that gold
1:03:21
Speaker 1: ship that was shooting through And we ran after it,
1:03:24
Speaker 1: chasing it. It was so close, I thought we could
1:03:26
Speaker 1: jump high enough to touch it. It sparkled with gold
1:03:29
Speaker 1: sparkles shooting off of it all over the place. It
1:03:32
Speaker 1: was awesome. It was pretty spectacular. I mean, it was gold.
1:03:38
Speaker 1: And it wasn't long after that I had another amazing sighting.
1:03:41
Speaker 1: And this was an actual solid craft. And this was, again,
1:03:45
Speaker 1: due to my UFO research with another person who was
1:03:48
Speaker 1: having very close-up sightings and perhaps even missing time. He
1:03:53
Speaker 1: has since written a book about how to contact UFOs.
1:03:58
Speaker 1: He discovered that if you look into the corona of
1:04:02
Speaker 1: the sun while keeping your face in shadow and looking
1:04:07
Speaker 1: into the corona itself, not into the disk, you can
1:04:10
Speaker 1: see stuff that is illuminated in the powerful light levels
1:04:15
Speaker 1: of the sun's corona. This was exactly around the same
1:04:19
Speaker 1: time as the Tim Salida incident or the Tim Edwards sighting, rather,
1:04:23
Speaker 1: in Salida, Colorado, in which he used the same method.
1:04:28
Speaker 1: At any rate, this gentleman, John Wilkie, had discovered this,
1:04:34
Speaker 1: and he's actually written a book about it, and he
1:04:38
Speaker 1: instructed me on how to do it. And so one
1:04:41
Speaker 1: morning in July of 1995, during my lunch break at work,
1:04:46
Speaker 1: I stepped out of the building and was looking up
1:04:48
Speaker 1: and saw this huge object approaching from the south, from
1:04:53
Speaker 1: my left, moving northward to my right, directly overhead. It
1:04:59
Speaker 1: was huge. It was triangular. Well, kind of boomerang-shaped, but
1:05:03
Speaker 1: more triangular. It was huge. I mean, this thing could
1:05:08
Speaker 1: have been a quarter mile in length, because it was
1:05:10
Speaker 1: about 1,000 feet, maybe 2,000, 3,000 feet high, but low.
1:05:15
Speaker 1: I couldn't really tell, but I could see detail on it.
1:05:18
Speaker 1: It was gray metal. It had a ring on front.
1:05:22
Speaker 1: and two rings on the rear, and triangular shape, gray metal.
1:05:28
Speaker 1: It sort of was almost invisible as it approached, but
1:05:31
Speaker 1: became more and more solid as I looked at it overhead.
1:05:33
Speaker 1: It was almost the color of the sky, sort of
1:05:36
Speaker 1: a steel gray blue, but was very much a solid
1:05:41
Speaker 1: craft as I looked at it overhead, many hundreds of
1:05:45
Speaker 1: feet in length. Could have helped thousands and thousands of people.
1:05:50
Speaker 1: I mean, it was huge. And this thing just moves off,
1:05:53
Speaker 1: totally silent, to the north. And as it got just
1:05:58
Speaker 1: sort of at 45 degrees, it disappeared again. It was cloaked.
1:06:02
Speaker 1: It was amazing. I consider it the best sighting I've had.
1:06:08
Speaker 1: And since then, there have been others. I've had a
1:06:10
Speaker 1: number of interesting sightings with lights, anomalous lights. It seems
1:06:15
Speaker 1: like whenever I write a book, one of my new
1:06:18
Speaker 1: books will come out, I'll have a sighting, or if
1:06:19
Speaker 1: I quit writing for a little while, one will appear
1:06:23
Speaker 1: and be like, write a book. I don't know if
1:06:26
Speaker 1: I'm reading into that or not, but sometimes it feels like, yeah,
1:06:29
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a message there of them
1:06:31
Speaker 1: saying hi to me. One time in the late 1990s,
1:06:36
Speaker 1: I was driving from San Diego to LA late at night.
1:06:41
Speaker 1: I had just visited a friend in San Diego, and
1:06:44
Speaker 1: looking ahead of me on the freeway, which was quite crowded,
1:06:47
Speaker 1: I saw a large globe of light hovering over the freeway.
1:06:51
Speaker 1: It was quite a cloudy night. There was a low
1:06:53
Speaker 1: cloud cover about 100 feet, maybe 200 feet. And here's
1:06:58
Speaker 1: this huge globe of light right over the freeway. It
1:07:00
Speaker 1: did not look normal. And as I got right under it,
1:07:04
Speaker 1: I could see it wasn't attached to anything. No other
1:07:06
Speaker 1: cars were stopping. It's really strange. I'm looking up at
1:07:10
Speaker 1: this thing thinking, what the heck is this? When I
1:07:13
Speaker 1: got a very strong mental message, this thing spoke to
1:07:16
Speaker 1: me and it said, your niece is born. This was
1:07:20
Speaker 1: not in English. It was just telepathic knowing. This UFO
1:07:25
Speaker 1: came to tell me a message that my niece had
1:07:27
Speaker 1: just been born. It's very strange. These are the kinds
1:07:31
Speaker 1: of experiences I've had. And it has gone beyond this.
1:07:36
Speaker 1: I will admit that I think I might be an
1:07:39
Speaker 1: actual contactee because there was one occasion when I was
1:07:43
Speaker 1: still living in Canoga Park in that condo. I no
1:07:46
Speaker 1: longer live there. So this would have been the late 1990s,
1:07:52
Speaker 1: when I woke up one evening because I felt a
1:07:55
Speaker 1: cat walking across my bed. I don't have a cat.
1:08:00
Speaker 1: So that shocked me. And I was lying on my
1:08:03
Speaker 1: side and I opened my eyes and I saw something
1:08:05
Speaker 1: that was very thin. And it scared me. My heart
1:08:10
Speaker 1: went thump, thump, thump, thump, thump. It frightened me as
1:08:12
Speaker 1: this thing darted away out the bedroom door and into
1:08:17
Speaker 1: my living room. I should have jumped up to follow
1:08:20
Speaker 1: it and investigate, but I didn't. I didn't react the
1:08:23
Speaker 1: way I thought I would. Instead, I just turned over
1:08:25
Speaker 1: and went back to sleep, which is something that happens
1:08:30
Speaker 1: with contactees. I've certainly interviewed enough people to know this.
1:08:35
Speaker 1: So yeah, on some level, I think I may be
1:08:37
Speaker 1: having actual contact. More recently, I had an experience, which
1:08:42
Speaker 1: I recall is a dream, but it was a very
1:08:44
Speaker 1: vivid and unusual dream because I found myself in this
1:08:47
Speaker 1: room with steel gray walls, slightly shiny. And I was
1:08:52
Speaker 1: amazed because I'm like, oh, this looks like a UFO.
1:08:55
Speaker 1: And the walls curved into the floor. There were no corners.
1:08:59
Speaker 1: And I looked up. up and the walls curved into
1:09:01
Speaker 1: the ceiling and suddenly this 8 foot tall figure approached
1:09:06
Speaker 1: me it was wearing a white jumpsuit it had a
1:09:08
Speaker 1: very pale skin I couldn't see its face but it
1:09:11
Speaker 1: radiated love and wisdom and gave me a little tour
1:09:15
Speaker 1: of the I'll call it a craft of I felt
1:09:18
Speaker 1: like a visitor. It was very friendly. It took me
1:09:21
Speaker 1: into another room and pointed to the wall, which turned transparent.
1:09:25
Speaker 1: And I was shocked as this wall turned transparent because
1:09:28
Speaker 1: this is, again, something I've certainly heard people talk about
1:09:33
Speaker 1: and certainly read about it. The wall turns transparent, and
1:09:36
Speaker 1: I was even more shocked because we were underwater. So
1:09:39
Speaker 1: this was a USO. I don't know. But this is
1:09:42
Speaker 1: what I've been seeing. I did have another dreamlike experience
1:09:46
Speaker 1: with this 8-foot-tall being. And even more recently, I had
1:09:50
Speaker 1: another experience where I was being taught about free energy motors,
1:09:55
Speaker 1: which really intrigued me because I did a video on
1:09:57
Speaker 1: this about abductees being taught about how to build free
1:10:03
Speaker 1: energy motors. They were showing me one with a number
1:10:06
Speaker 1: of other people. And then I got to look out
1:10:09
Speaker 1: a window at an amazing star field. So yeah, I
1:10:13
Speaker 1: think I might be a contactee someday. It's taking me
1:10:17
Speaker 1: a little while to adjust to this and believe it.
1:10:20
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm still a little on the fence
1:10:23
Speaker 1: about it. But other weird stuff is happening. Because Wendy
1:10:27
Speaker 1: did tell me that she was guided to contact me
1:10:31
Speaker 1: by the ETs. Or rather, she asked the ETs. And
1:10:34
Speaker 1: they said, yes, it's okay to tell her story to me.
1:10:39
Speaker 1: And this happened recently with another contactee who I'm currently interviewing.
1:10:44
Speaker 1: And even more recently, this year, a gentleman from England
1:10:48
Speaker 1: called me, and he said, are you Preston Dennett, the
1:10:52
Speaker 1: UFO researcher? And I said, yes. How may I help you?
1:10:56
Speaker 1: And he says, well, I'm a contactee. I'm in contact
1:10:59
Speaker 1: with gray aliens, and I just had a contact with them.
1:11:02
Speaker 1: They came to me this morning, and I don't know
1:11:05
Speaker 1: if it was this morning, but very recently. And he
1:11:10
Speaker 1: said that the gray ETs... told him to contact a
1:11:14
Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Preston Dennett, who he did
1:11:17
Speaker 1: not know. And he looked me up and found out
1:11:21
Speaker 1: I was a UFO researcher. So I'm like, are you serious?
1:11:24
Speaker 1: Graves told you to call me? They gave you my name?
1:11:28
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, yeah, they told me to call you.
1:11:31
Speaker 1: They wanted me to talk to you. So of course
1:11:34
Speaker 1: we did talk, and it turned out he had been
1:11:37
Speaker 1: given precognitive information and warnings about nuclear proliferation and upcoming
1:11:44
Speaker 1: possible environmental disasters. And he wondered if any other people
1:11:49
Speaker 1: had reported this. And I said, oh yeah, that is
1:11:52
Speaker 1: their number one message, because it is. This is the
1:11:54
Speaker 1: message they give to many, many people. So that knocked
1:11:58
Speaker 1: my socks flat off. I mean, ETs know about me?
1:12:02
Speaker 1: Are they reading my books? This is freaking me out.
1:12:06
Speaker 1: The greys know about me and are actually referring people
1:12:09
Speaker 1: to me. Which is actually really cool. I mean, that's
1:12:14
Speaker 1: amazing to me. Now I'm wondering if perhaps I have
1:12:18
Speaker 1: had encounters in my childhood that I'm not aware of.
1:12:22
Speaker 1: Because there was a weird incident once where I may
1:12:25
Speaker 1: have had missing time as an eight-year-old. I just remember
1:12:31
Speaker 1: somehow I skipped lunch. My family served lunch and I
1:12:36
Speaker 1: wasn't there. I was pretty upset. It's kind of vague,
1:12:40
Speaker 1: but there are other little pointers. I don't know. But
1:12:43
Speaker 1: definitely now I appear to be having contact on some level, certainly.
1:12:49
Speaker 1: And I think I've caught myself a good old case
1:12:52
Speaker 1: of UFO investigators disease. And that's why I wanted to
1:12:56
Speaker 1: do this episode, because I think it's important that people
1:12:59
Speaker 1: know that many UFO researchers are having UFO sightings or
1:13:04
Speaker 1: were inspired to become a researcher because of a sighting
1:13:09
Speaker 1: or it's important that people know that if you start
1:13:11
Speaker 1: researching UFOs, you may very well yourself be researched by UFOs.
1:13:20
Speaker 1: So that's why I want to do this video. I
1:13:22
Speaker 1: covered several of these kinds of cases in my book,
1:13:25
Speaker 1: Not From Here, Volume 2. And I know for a
1:13:28
Speaker 1: fact there are other UFO researchers who have not come
1:13:31
Speaker 1: forward who have reported encounters because I've talked to them myself.
1:13:35
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's probably more common than most
1:13:38
Speaker 1: people realize. I want to thank you very much for watching.
1:13:43
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your support. I hope you've enjoyed it.
1:13:47
Speaker 1: Until next time, keep having fun.