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Speaker 1: Is the gold reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight?
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Speaker 3: What is our navy up to buying tug boats made
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Speaker 3: in China. I'll talk to the coalitions Andrew Hasty about
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Speaker 3: these Timu tugs? Are they actually a security risk? And
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Speaker 3: the one nation candidate from Italy who got political after
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Speaker 3: her university professor in Melbourne actually accused me of making
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Speaker 3: his father think wrong things.
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Speaker 2: I'll enjoy this one.
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Speaker 3: And the real reason Donald Trump is again attacking Ukraine
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Speaker 3: and wants Russia to have it at former top advisor
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Speaker 3: to Russian President Vladimir Putin has blown the whistle also tonight,
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Speaker 3: the disturbing endorsement for this labor candidate. Australia really is
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Speaker 3: dividing into tribes. But first, you know, people criticizing the
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Speaker 3: cous campaign usually don't realize quite what their MPs are
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Speaker 3: up against a very hostile media pack. Now many journalists
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Speaker 3: following the leaders don't just seem to lean left, that
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Speaker 3: seem to live in a bubble apparently remote from the
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Speaker 3: everyday problems of workers in the real world. Evidence very tribal,
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Speaker 3: more interested in sniffing out thought crimes. There's three examples
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Speaker 3: that I'll give you just from today. Are the kind
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Speaker 3: of thing that Coalition leaders and particularly have to deal with.
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Speaker 3: I think you'll be stunned.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: The first example struck me as amazing today, of all days,
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Speaker 3: David Little Proud, the National's leader, gave a speech to
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Speaker 3: the National Press Club. Now the MC, like many journals,
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Speaker 3: seems to hate Coalition MPs warning about crime. It seems
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Speaker 3: to them it's just fear mongering.
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Speaker 4: We know nationally statistics show that property crime has gone
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Speaker 4: down in large parts of the country, and yet it
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Speaker 4: has been a big focus. Is the Coalition capitalizing on
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Speaker 4: perceptions of fear when it comes to crime or is
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Speaker 4: this a reality that you're seeing when you're campaigning.
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Speaker 2: That ridiculous question.
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Speaker 3: Properly, crime in some parts of the country is going down,
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Speaker 3: so you know, are you just stoking fierce?
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Speaker 2: I mean really?
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Speaker 3: And Abouc hosts on Melbourne Radio this morning, affects and
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Speaker 3: the same skepticism from him or in fact, in Victoria,
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Speaker 3: for example, crime in the past you were shut up
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Speaker 3: by sixteen percent to record levels thanks largely to youth
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Speaker 3: crime and home invasions and averaging nearly twenty a day
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Speaker 3: now mainly by armed games and more carjackings too. Just yesterday,
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Speaker 3: a sixty six year old woman was seriously injured in
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Speaker 3: the hospital car park. Which you try to stop a
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Speaker 3: man stealing her car, or take the Northern Territory Darwin,
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Speaker 3: the rampant crime there, especially by young Aborigines. Now a
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Speaker 3: second person just minding a shop has been allegedly stabbed
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Speaker 3: to death trying to stop someone stealing. And this time
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Speaker 3: the victim was shopkeeper Lindford Faith stabbed at his shop
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Speaker 3: allegedly by an eighteen year old who, for some bizarre reason,
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Speaker 3: was still out on bail on very serious charges including
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Speaker 3: rape of a child and aggravated violence, and he wasn't
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Speaker 3: out Bush where he was told to be.
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Speaker 5: The eighteen year old male who's currently in police custody
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Speaker 5: was granted bail in the Northern Territory Supreme Court for
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Speaker 5: Serious Matters on the seventeenth of April twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 5: That person was bailed to a remote community across the
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Speaker 5: top End. That person did not have an electronic monitoring
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Speaker 5: bracelet and that person was located and arrested in Darwin.
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Speaker 3: And now Lindford Folk's widow who's posted that this heartfelt,
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Speaker 3: heart breaking tribute really on social media. My beautiful husband
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Speaker 3: of fifty one years was stolen from me, his children,
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Speaker 3: and his seven grandchildren. This is so hurtful. The trauma
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Speaker 3: it has caused to the beautiful staff who we love
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Speaker 3: as a family, the trauma to our beautiful customers. Linford
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Speaker 3: worked so sincerely to maintain the community vibe with smiles,
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Speaker 3: trust and humanity. A beautiful man, a true gentleman, and
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Speaker 3: my soulmate, gone forever. God bless him. Rip my darling man.
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Speaker 3: Now journalsy reckoned. Australians shouldn't be worried about crime. They
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Speaker 3: tend to be young and fit, lucky enough to live
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Speaker 3: in nicer and safer suburbs. I think they should look
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Speaker 3: around at the more vulnerable people. Aren't that lucky at all?
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Speaker 3: An example I've given you really should be enough. But
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Speaker 3: two more from today the bubble peed it up the opposition.
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Speaker 3: Needer today announced policies to tackle domestic violence. That's something
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Speaker 3: he fought as a police officer.
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Speaker 6: Everyone's accepting the fact that the scourge of violence, of
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Speaker 6: domestic violence, financial coercion, every aspect in this debate is
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Speaker 6: just completely and utterly unacceptable in our society and we
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Speaker 6: should be doing everything together to try and defeat it.
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Speaker 6: And work toward better outcomes for individuals but for our
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Speaker 6: country as well.
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Speaker 3: Now do you think the journalists have been dogging Dutton
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Speaker 3: in this campaign saying what.
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Speaker 2: Are your policies for women? Mister dunt Way, we've got
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Speaker 2: a problem with women.
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Speaker 3: Mister dut would at least get credit for that, but
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Speaker 3: no mercy from journalists obsessed with identity politics, gender politics.
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Speaker 5: You're here talking about the safety of women.
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Speaker 7: Does that include trans women?
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Speaker 5: Do you think trans women are women?
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Speaker 8: And what protections will you afford the meeting?
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Speaker 6: Well, we had a discussion about gender as well this morning,
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Speaker 6: which is an important discussion also, and we can provide
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Speaker 6: support through programs.
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Speaker 5: But do you think transmitment are women?
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Speaker 6: Well, a woman and gender is defined and we was
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Speaker 6: reference made the other day to a case in the
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Speaker 6: United Kingdom.
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Speaker 2: But I think a.
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Speaker 6: Woman is defined as an adult female and that's the definition.
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Speaker 2: On trial for potential thought crimes.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like the journalists, though I showed you
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Speaker 3: yesterday heckling the Oppositions Defense spokesman Andrew Hasty, a former
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Speaker 3: captain in our sas for daring to suggest that this
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Speaker 3: wartime experience that women should meet the same physical standards
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Speaker 3: for combat positions.
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Speaker 4: From that answer that you still think women aren't strong enough.
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Speaker 4: That is that right, that women aren't strong enough to
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Speaker 4: deal with that sort of combat you described.
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Speaker 3: And the last example from today the usual inane demand
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Speaker 3: that Nationals leader David Little Proud repeat the catechism of
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Speaker 3: this church of global warming, the our father of global warming.
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Speaker 3: And once again it was an agency reported demanding he
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Speaker 3: say it. I decided to get your view on the
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Speaker 3: recent natural disasters in Queensland and whether you personally believe
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Speaker 3: in the science of climate change.
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Speaker 2: Now, obviously the question is ridiculous. What does it mean?
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Speaker 3: Do you believe in the global warming science? I believe
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Speaker 3: in facts. I believe in evidence for sure. But after
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Speaker 3: that this climate scientists disagreeing on all sorts of things,
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Speaker 3: which one of them do you believe? You just believe
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Speaker 3: in the facts. And this reporter herself seems not to
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Speaker 3: believe in facts at all. She talked about the recent
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Speaker 3: tropical Low Alfred and floods in Queensland, like you know
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Speaker 3: this is somehow global warming. They proved nothing of the kind.
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Speaker 3: As I've shown dozens of times, our Bureau of Meteorology
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Speaker 3: has confirmed in twenty twenty and there's no change since
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Speaker 3: as far as I know that, we're actually getting fewer cyclones, fewer.
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Speaker 2: Over the last fifty years.
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Speaker 3: And the Intergovernmental Panel and Climate Change, if it's a
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Speaker 3: bible of the global warming movement, that's it says we'll
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Speaker 3: likely get even fewer. As for rainfall, Queensland is actually
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Speaker 3: getting less rain than fifty years ago, a little bit less,
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Speaker 3: but a little bit more than one hundred years ago.
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Speaker 3: Where's the pattern? And that so I asked that reporter
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Speaker 3: do you believe in that science of climate change?
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Speaker 2: What do you believe in?
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Speaker 3: And that is not just another example of the impregnable
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Speaker 3: no nothingness of the ABC and global warming, but your bottom,
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Speaker 3: bet your bottom doll of it, they'll go again next
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Speaker 3: cyclone global warming. It is also another case of a
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Speaker 3: journalist on the election trail who's in the bubble? And
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Speaker 3: I ask you, are you then surprised that the election
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Speaker 3: coverage of the coalition is so hostile? Now Here is
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Speaker 3: something that absolutely flawed me when I heard about it
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Speaker 3: this morning. Look Labor and the liberals, the nationals one
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Speaker 3: names what everyone knows that the Chinese dictatorship is the
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Speaker 3: biggest danger now to our national security. It's threatening war Taiwan.
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Speaker 3: It's sent naval ships to lap our continent, firing guns
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Speaker 3: to scare us. It's spying on us, and spying so
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Speaker 3: cleverly that we and a lot of other countries in
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Speaker 3: our banned China from building In this our case, the
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Speaker 3: our five G network and public service may soon be
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Speaker 3: banned from downloading the Chinese own TikTok onto government devices.
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Speaker 2: You get this. Our navy.
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Speaker 3: Is spying three tug boats that are actually assembled in China.
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Speaker 2: One's already in Darwin. This is unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: Joining me is the coalition's defense spokesman, Andrew Hasty, a
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Speaker 3: former captain of our Elite sas.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hassey, thank you so much for joining me. Is
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Speaker 2: there a security risk here?
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Speaker 1: Good evening, Andrew, Well, the bigger question is this in
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Speaker 1: the national interest? And I think the answer is no.
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Speaker 1: At a time when Australia is trying to diversify its
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Speaker 1: supply chains towards democratic partners and on shore them here
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Speaker 1: in Australia, I think it's a very bad signal that
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Speaker 1: Richard Miles has gone to China to build three new
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Speaker 1: Royal Australian Navy vessels. I think as well, with our
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Speaker 1: sovereign shipbuilding capability needing a lot of love from government,
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Speaker 1: more investment, more spending. It sends a terrible signal to
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Speaker 1: Australian businesses who are trying to build out our industrial
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Speaker 1: base that we're going to China for ships. So Richard
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Speaker 1: Miles needs to explain why this happened. Did he know
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Speaker 1: about it? And if he didn't, why didn't he know?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? But isn't there also another security risk?
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Speaker 3: I mean, you've got a China banned from telecommunications here,
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Speaker 3: or government's worried about how they can spire through TikTok
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Speaker 3: and things like that, you can't use your telephone a
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Speaker 3: politician when you are in China, not the government to telephone,
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Speaker 3: all those kinds of things.
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Speaker 2: Having a tugboat trot out here, is.
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Speaker 3: There a risk there that there's some sort of espionage
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Speaker 3: or whatever built into it.
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Speaker 1: I think this is something that the Navy's going to
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Speaker 1: have to look very closely at your right to raise
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Speaker 1: security concerns. I'd like a brief about these boats. And
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Speaker 1: of course, because we exclude a lot of Chinese made
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Speaker 1: materials from my supply chain already, Hihwei for example, for
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Speaker 1: our five G network, which we ban back in twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 1: The former coalition government will need to look closely at
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Speaker 1: these tugboats as well.
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Speaker 3: You delivered the coalition's defense policy yesterday. Can you answer
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Speaker 3: something that's puzzled me? Why didn't you say exactly what
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Speaker 3: that extra twenty one billion dollars you'll spend in five
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Speaker 3: years will be spent on?
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Speaker 1: Well ot of labor. The defense budget has gone backwards,
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Speaker 1: so we're in jet new money into the defense budget
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Speaker 1: to fix labour's mess. Once we signed UCAS in September
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, we put a structural imposition on the
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Speaker 1: defense budget. Aucus is going to cost a good deal
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Speaker 1: of money over the next decade and beyond, and labor
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Speaker 1: has not accounted for it. So what's happening is to
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Speaker 1: fund August. They're actually cannibalizing Army, Navy, and Air Force.
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Speaker 1: So we're seeing less training hours for our pilots, for
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Speaker 1: our sailors and our soldiers. That's a big problem, so
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Speaker 1: we have a readiness crisis. They've also had to cut
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Speaker 1: into the sustainment budget, which is why we haven't been
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Speaker 1: able to get our ships out as often as we have.
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Speaker 1: And we've also cut a lot of programs. We've cut
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Speaker 1: the infantry fighting vehicle program from four fifty to one
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Speaker 1: twenty nine, the second regiment of Howitzer's. They cut the
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Speaker 1: fourth squadron of F thirty five's, which we will restore.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of work to be done with
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Speaker 1: this money. And this is just to get us to
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Speaker 1: a baseline where we can actually secure ourselves in a
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Speaker 1: more dangerous world.
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Speaker 3: But you didn't have actually say where that money was
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Speaker 3: going to. Is that because you've got less leftover from
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Speaker 3: all the promises than you were expecting, and you had
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Speaker 3: to make do what is it? What is it that
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Speaker 3: made you not say and we'll spend it on this
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Speaker 3: and this?
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Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 1: Sure, Well, the first thing i'd say is that the
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Speaker 1: forts quad in the F thirty five's, it's going to
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Speaker 1: cost us upwards of three billion dollars, So it's twenty
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Speaker 1: one billion dollars over five years. That'll probably cost more
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Speaker 1: than that. And there are other projects as well that
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Speaker 1: we're going to fund. We're going to have to look
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Speaker 1: at investing in orcas the infrastructure. We're going to turn
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Speaker 1: the Henderson Precinct into our strategic shipbuilding area. That's going
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Speaker 1: to require a lot of money to dry docks potentially
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Speaker 1: need to be built there to maintain our future submarines,
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Speaker 1: but also our fleet. We've only got one dry dock
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Speaker 1: in this country in Sydney, which has been operating since
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Speaker 1: the end of the Second World War, so we need
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Speaker 1: one on the West coast. So there are a lot
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Speaker 1: of things that need to be invested in with this money.
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Speaker 1: And I had a brief if I caretaker brief with
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Speaker 1: the Chief of Defense Force the Secretary of Defense last week.
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Speaker 1: I've got a good sense of where we need to
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Speaker 1: spend that money, but of course that'll become clearer once
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Speaker 1: we're in the chair and in government. Andrew, if I
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Speaker 1: can just make this final point, you can have all
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Speaker 1: the hardware in the world, but if you don't have
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Speaker 1: people with fighting morale, you've got nothing.
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Speaker 2: And so I also want to.
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Speaker 1: Work out how we can better invest in our people.
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Speaker 1: To fix the recruiting crisis, we're not getting enough youngest
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Speaker 1: trains in the uniform under labor. And to fix the
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Speaker 1: retention crisis, we're losing too many good people under labor.
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Speaker 1: We need to keep our best people in uniform.
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Speaker 3: You know you've listened, and I listened yesterday, all these
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Speaker 3: things that the government has cut to the point we had,
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Speaker 3: you know, the former head of Army saying, you know,
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Speaker 3: there aren't even bullets. It gives you the people out there,
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Speaker 3: soldiers training up pieces of wood, going bang in practice.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how bad.
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Speaker 3: It is, but what struck me is that you've heard
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Speaker 3: almost nothing from the heads of our armed forces saying listen,
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Speaker 3: we have a problem.
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Speaker 2: They've kept quiet as mice. And in fact, I've even got.
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Speaker 3: Former Defense Force officials like Chris Barry's saying, oh, it's
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Speaker 3: actually climate change that's our biggest threat. I wonder whether
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Speaker 3: these guys are doing their job in alerding us to
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Speaker 3: the state of things. But just on the climate change,
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Speaker 3: do you really think that is our biggest threat?
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Speaker 1: No, I don't think it is our biggest threat. I
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Speaker 1: think Admiral Barry is a good man who served our
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Speaker 1: country well as the chief of the Defense Force. But
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Speaker 1: to put it frankly, he's been in camera for too long.
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Speaker 1: And any student of military history, in fact, any student
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Speaker 1: of world history, knows that wars start because people fight
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Speaker 1: with each other.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty, thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: I should actually point out that when you add up
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Speaker 3: all those shopping lists of things that Andrew Hacy City
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Speaker 3: to spend more money on. It adds up to more
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Speaker 3: than twenty one billion over the next five years. So
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Speaker 3: I wonder where that extra money's coming from.
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Speaker 2: Now. There are a lot.
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Speaker 3: Of people who do not understand by Donald Trump is
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Speaker 3: this week yet again treating Ukraine like dirt, betraying it
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Speaker 3: and sucking up instead to Russian war criminal Vladimir Putin,
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Speaker 3: president of the Russian invaders, even though Putin this week
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Speaker 3: still kept on trying to murder Ukrainian civilians with his rockets. Now,
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Speaker 3: Trump's negotiators this week told Russia he could keep almost
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Speaker 3: everything that its army is so far taking in Ukraine
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Speaker 3: in three years of fighting. Ukraine will get no security
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Speaker 3: guarantees if Russia then later invades the rest of it,
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Speaker 3: and Ukraine will also have to hand over minerals to
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Speaker 3: the US. It's an amazing sellout. And Ukraine's president Zelenski said, well,
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Speaker 3: for one, he could never accept what Trump was offering
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Speaker 3: Russia legal recognition that it now was in control of
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Speaker 3: you Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: Right, It's just extraordinary. So this is.
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Speaker 3: After you know, Ukraine has actually fought back so hard,
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Speaker 3: after the Russian invasion, that nine hundred thousand Russian soldiers.
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Speaker 2: Have been killed or wounded.
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Speaker 3: So really Ukraine is winning. But Trump hit the roof.
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Speaker 3: He said, look, this statement you can't accept. You know,
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Speaker 3: Russian control over Ukraine is harmful to the peace negotias
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Speaker 3: with Russia. No one's asking Zelenski to recognize Crimea as
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Speaker 3: Russian territory. But if you want a new Crimea, why
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Speaker 3: didn't they fight for eleven years ago when it was
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Speaker 3: handed over to Russia without a shot being fired. It's
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Speaker 3: inflammatory statements like Zelenski's that make it so difficult to
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Speaker 3: settle this war. This guy never at tax Putin. Does
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Speaker 3: he never tax Putin?
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Speaker 2: Honestly?
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Speaker 3: Now, Russia's in fact though the country refusing to agree
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Speaker 3: to assist far. What's more, it's losing this war. Comes
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Speaker 3: Trump forcing Ukraine in effect to surrender or else.
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Speaker 2: And you ask why why Europe is horrified? Doesn't understand.
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Speaker 3: Well here Andre Ilariyanov, he was Putin's chief economic advice
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Speaker 3: for five years, and he says he said to do
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Speaker 3: this Trump to Trump, Ukraine is nothing. Ukraine is nothing,
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Speaker 3: and Trump, he says things, giving it to Russia is
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Speaker 3: going to convince Vladimir Putin of something impossible that he
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Speaker 3: would drop his alliance with China and join the Americans instead.
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Speaker 9: By giving this gift to Puchin, Trump is hoping that
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Speaker 9: he would be able to create a new alliance with
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Speaker 9: Putchum or at least to try to get him from China.
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Speaker 3: And you know, forget the Putin lies repeated by American
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Speaker 3: conspiracy theorists tools of the kriminal like Tucker Carlson, that
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Speaker 3: Ukraine started this war but wanting to join NATO a provocation,
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Speaker 3: a threat to Russian security. No fact is Putin is
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Speaker 3: simply an ultranationalist, just like Hitler and using the same
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Speaker 3: Hitler kind of excuses for war.
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Speaker 9: It is not related with NITA or Ukraine in NAT
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Speaker 9: or membership. All this map to NITA nothing. It was
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Speaker 9: imperial ideas of mister Putin when in Yittosazan three he
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Speaker 9: proclaimed that he hasiritorial claims to Ukraine.
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Speaker 3: That's a man who knows Putin intimately joining me is
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Speaker 3: doctor Michael Lariski is an author, as a former academic,
19:41
Speaker 3: as a former chair of the Ukrainian Studies Foundation of
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Speaker 3: Monish University, and a former trustee in Melbourne's Shrine of Remembrance. Michael,
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Speaker 3: good to see you again, Donald Trump. He's sending his
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Speaker 3: special envoice Steve Vitkoff, the worst diplomat in the world,
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Speaker 3: to go see Putin on the weekend.
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Speaker 2: Where is Trump's so called peace push actually going.
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 8: I think it's the problem is that Witkof and the
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Speaker 8: Americans don't understand what this war is all about. It's
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Speaker 8: not about Russia gaining twenty percent of Ukrainian territory and
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Speaker 8: Ukraine not being.
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Speaker 10: Part of NATO.
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Speaker 8: It's about destroying Ukraine, completely capturing Kiev and effectively eliminating
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Speaker 8: the Ukrainian people as a nation. That's what it's about.
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Speaker 8: That's why there won't be a ceasefire from Russia. In fact,
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Speaker 8: a couple of days before the Oval Office incident, we
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Speaker 8: saw that Lavrov came out and said, look, it's against
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Speaker 8: our constitution to actually cease fire because there are these
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Speaker 8: cities of Karson and Zaputijah which are now under the
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Speaker 8: control of Ukraine. But Russia thinks that they are part
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Speaker 8: of Russia, and it's in their constitution that they can't
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Speaker 8: cease fire until they get those and that's the thing
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Speaker 8: they put to Witkoff, and Witkoff has been saying, Oh,
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Speaker 8: it's all about these four regions where they voted to
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Speaker 8: be with Russia. Well that's just nonsense as well. These
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Speaker 8: referendo were just a face. So he's been spreading this
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Speaker 8: disinformation about what the war is all about. There's no
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Speaker 8: way that Putin is going to allow US nine hundred
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Speaker 8: thousand or how many it is Russians to die the
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Speaker 8: amount of weapons that have been destroyed et c.
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Speaker 2: Of Russia and just walk away with.
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Speaker 8: Twenty percent of Ukraine. What he wants to do is
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Speaker 8: continue to attack Ukraine, and therefore the peace treaty that
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Speaker 8: he wants would be one that keeps Ukraine defenseless and
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Speaker 8: not able to reply to a new invasion by Russia.
21:46
Speaker 8: That's what it's all about.
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Speaker 3: Well, there may be a cease fire, but I think
21:51
Speaker 3: it will only be as so Putin can get America
21:55
Speaker 3: to walk away while it quickly rebuilds and then attacks again.
21:58
Speaker 2: That's all that will be transfer.
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Speaker 3: Vice President Jenda Dan says the US now could just
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Speaker 3: walk away if it can't get peace.
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Speaker 2: I just wonder, though, who actually does that threaten most?
22:10
Speaker 3: I mean, Ukraine would lose a major weapons supplier, of course,
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Speaker 3: but then Russia might lose this best chance of getting
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Speaker 3: what it couldn't take by war. And also the Europeans
22:22
Speaker 3: may step in, although obviously they need to really crank
22:26
Speaker 3: up their own weapons production.
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Speaker 8: Yes, yes, the Europeans really do have to crank up,
22:34
Speaker 8: and that's one thing that has been good about this.
22:36
Speaker 8: But the thing is that the United States produces or
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Speaker 8: provides something like twenty five to thirty percent of Ukraine's
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Speaker 8: weapons at the moment, but they are a very important
22:49
Speaker 8: twenty five to thirty percent, and other countries are trying
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Speaker 8: to substitute that. For example, the Japanese have announced that
22:56
Speaker 8: they're going to be providing satellite imagery. The Swedes provide
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Speaker 8: widing some a whak planes that would be scanning the
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Speaker 8: skies and that sort of thing, but they need Patriot missiles.
23:08
Speaker 8: And the Europeans have got two hundred and fifty billion
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Speaker 8: dollars of frozen Russian assets which they could really common
23:18
Speaker 8: deer and provide to the Ukrainians so that they could
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Speaker 8: buy the weapons from the Americans. However, we saw about
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Speaker 8: a week ago that mister Trump said that he wouldn't
23:28
Speaker 8: even sell weapons to Ukraine, so it is really getting
23:32
Speaker 8: quite quite murky.
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Speaker 3: Now, there's one thing that the scanned the countries around
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Speaker 3: Russia's border understand that Donald Trump does not. That is
23:43
Speaker 3: why Finland, which is a bordered the long border with Russia,
23:46
Speaker 3: is now sowing the border with mines. It's why Sweden
23:50
Speaker 3: has announced it's going to build nuclear shelters for his people.
23:54
Speaker 3: It's why Latvia or Poland has increases the spending through
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Speaker 3: a credible five percent.
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Speaker 2: They're all arming.
24:02
Speaker 3: They know what Trump doesn't that if Russia does finally
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Speaker 3: take over Ukraine, it gets Ukraine's army, and at six
24:11
Speaker 3: hundred thousand people, it'll kill probably the officer corps or
24:14
Speaker 3: ship them off to prison or whatever, and it'll get
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Speaker 3: Ukrainian weapons, and it will have an army ready right
24:21
Speaker 3: away for an invasion of whatever country it likes on
24:24
Speaker 3: its border.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of that threat, Well, I think
24:28
Speaker 2: it's very real.
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Speaker 8: The German military has estimated that if Ukraine were to fall,
24:35
Speaker 8: Russia would be ready within five years to invade the
24:38
Speaker 8: rest of the rest of Europe, and probably the first
24:40
Speaker 8: countries to go would be the Baltic States for example,
24:44
Speaker 8: where Lithuanians, for example, are now training in terms of
24:50
Speaker 8: evacuation a personnel, they could snap them up pretty quickly.
24:54
Speaker 8: There's Moldova and then there's Poland, which would be a
24:58
Speaker 8: harder nut to crack. However, when you look at the
25:01
Speaker 8: forces aligned, the Russians have in the field, something like
25:05
Speaker 8: two hundred and twenty brigades, Ukraine has about one hundred
25:09
Speaker 8: and ten brigades, and the whole of Europe combined only
25:13
Speaker 8: has eighty brigades. So this is a tactic that was
25:17
Speaker 8: used by the Mongol Golden Horde back in the Middle Ages,
25:21
Speaker 8: where they would invader country and then they would use
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Speaker 8: the people in that country as the first line of
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Speaker 8: their next attack. And they have done that. I did
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Speaker 8: that in World War Two. The Russians they also have
25:38
Speaker 8: done it more recently in eastern Ukraine where they've captured
25:41
Speaker 8: those regions, those five regions of Ukraine and they have
25:47
Speaker 8: conscripted those people and put them into meat assalts, leading
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Speaker 8: to a very high casualty rate among those people. So yeah,
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Speaker 8: they would definitely have by far the largest army in
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Speaker 8: Europe in five years time potentially.
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Speaker 3: Well, people say, oh, well, you wouldn't attack a European
26:07
Speaker 3: country because NATO then and they've got nuclear weapons. Wait
26:11
Speaker 3: a minute, Donald Trump is essentially walking away from NATO,
26:14
Speaker 3: who's got nuclear weapons? He would use them against Russia.
26:17
Speaker 3: And the only two countries are Britain and France who
26:20
Speaker 3: have nuclear weapons. Are they really going to use a
26:23
Speaker 3: nuclear weapon to defend Lithuania. I don't see that, and
26:28
Speaker 3: I think Russia doesn't see that, so they're so vulnerable.
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Speaker 3: Michael Lewiski, thank you so much indeed for taking us
26:34
Speaker 3: through really really appreciated. And of course the chances of
26:39
Speaker 3: Vladimir Putin abandoning China for the uneasy embracer and loyalties
26:44
Speaker 3: of Donald Trump, You've got to be kidding. After the break,
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Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce, who better to ask and how to deal
26:54
Speaker 3: with a kind of journalists that I showed you before.
26:57
Speaker 3: This man is dealt with, so many will go to
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Speaker 3: Barnaby's tips after this. I'll show you those journalists yesterday
27:09
Speaker 3: as well, asking these extraordinarily hostile and some actually stupid
27:14
Speaker 3: questions of coalition leaders. And I thought, who better to
27:19
Speaker 3: tell us how to whack them back or resist the
27:22
Speaker 3: whack than our Thursday regular Barnaby Joyce, the Nationals front
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Speaker 3: bencher and formative Deputy Deputy Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Baby, lovely to see you again. Look, I've shown some of.
27:33
Speaker 3: These extraordinary questions, you know, badgering of coalition politicians. Do
27:39
Speaker 3: you believe in climate change? Should you be scaring voters
27:42
Speaker 3: about this crime rate? And you know, are trans women
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Speaker 3: actually men women?
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Speaker 2: Or whatever? It only goes? How do you keep your
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Speaker 2: call and answer them?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think the best thing is to be straight
27:58
Speaker 7: and not care about the response. Realize that you're talking
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Speaker 7: to a reporter who's talking to Yeah, absolutely vibrant twenty
28:06
Speaker 7: five percent of Australia. You need to win a cit
28:09
Speaker 7: you need to win on fifty percent plus one person.
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Speaker 7: Do not make everybody love you. It's irrelevant. Make sure
28:16
Speaker 7: that you keep true to yourself and answer the questions
28:20
Speaker 7: as you see fit now. And also don't follow the
28:24
Speaker 7: talking points of you, you know, the bouncing ball of
28:28
Speaker 7: the leader's office, because they come across as not authentic.
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Speaker 7: If you don't want to answer a question, just don't
28:33
Speaker 7: answer it, but don't answer it with bs. I.
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Speaker 2: Look, when you think about it, like all.
28:39
Speaker 7: These questions about trains and climb and change and or is.
28:44
Speaker 2: That actually helping the person who's dealing with the cost
28:45
Speaker 2: of living?
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Speaker 7: Is that actually helping the pension who confides?
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Speaker 3: And that's what just thought crimes Barnaby. I mean, you know,
28:53
Speaker 3: do you think women really are weaker than men?
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Speaker 2: You know, in a hot style? I mean seriously, Barnaby,
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Speaker 2: look that question for instance. But the thing about it,
29:03
Speaker 2: how would you say that I ask a question to
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Speaker 2: ask the question back?
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Speaker 7: I say, you know, I've got a pension her who's
29:08
Speaker 7: about to be kicked out of the house and put
29:09
Speaker 7: in the car to live. Do you believe that I
29:13
Speaker 7: should be worrying about her or worrying about eighty two
29:16
Speaker 7: percent renewables till twenty thirty? Which one do you reckon?
29:19
Speaker 7: Is the primary concern of that lady who I represented
29:22
Speaker 7: the New England in the hills?
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Speaker 2: Which one do you reckon?
29:25
Speaker 7: She wants me to go to Canberra and back for
29:28
Speaker 7: like idiot won.
29:29
Speaker 2: I can go down there and bang on about trans
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Speaker 2: rights and you.
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Speaker 7: Know it's you know, because either were peripheral issues trans
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Speaker 7: rights and we eat a mint of power so called renewables,
29:39
Speaker 7: or I can say my job is to bring dignity
29:42
Speaker 7: back to this lady's life, to get her back in
29:45
Speaker 7: a house, to get us so she can afford her groceries,
29:49
Speaker 7: to make sure that she lives a life that warrants respect,
29:55
Speaker 7: that she's not diminished as a human being. And when
29:59
Speaker 7: you actually talk like that, everybody else all, you know,
30:02
Speaker 7: fifty percent plus one person, they come along with you.
30:05
Speaker 2: But if he's the whole.
30:06
Speaker 7: Years, I'm worried about how the trans people will see
30:10
Speaker 7: eighty two percent renewables. And I want to make sure
30:13
Speaker 7: that you know that we don't find anybody because I
30:15
Speaker 7: also believe in farmers as well. I believe in farmers,
30:19
Speaker 7: and I also believe in animals that love fluffy animals
30:22
Speaker 7: and fluffy.
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Speaker 2: Animals and all sorts of things.
30:25
Speaker 7: And people just go give up, mate, you believe in nothing.
30:30
Speaker 2: But but you know, it's so intense.
30:33
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of any other country which so
30:38
Speaker 3: regularly in the campaign expects the prime Minister and the
30:43
Speaker 3: opposition leader and also deputies, but those two in particular
30:47
Speaker 3: to front up as many as two or three times
30:49
Speaker 3: a day in front of reporters and to be treated
30:53
Speaker 3: like dirt. I mean, some of these yeah kids about
30:56
Speaker 3: twenty five, they've seen nothing. They've got a sarcastic smurf
31:00
Speaker 3: on their face. And me and me.
31:01
Speaker 2: You know that kind of stuff. You'd have the politicians
31:05
Speaker 2: stand up there again and again and take this. I
31:08
Speaker 2: don't see it. Joe Biden ever would fronted up to
31:10
Speaker 2: press conference like that.
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Speaker 7: What do you think, ritual do you think Dwight Eisenhower
31:14
Speaker 7: would have put up with that rubbish?
31:16
Speaker 2: You know?
31:16
Speaker 7: Do you think that honestly the dizizing pin has to
31:19
Speaker 7: deal with that rubbish?
31:21
Speaker 2: This is not what you had.
31:23
Speaker 7: There is a little hero from the fourth of State,
31:26
Speaker 7: or a little lady from the fourth or whatever, little lady,
31:28
Speaker 7: little man whatever, come out.
31:30
Speaker 2: And go, you really got under his skin today? You know,
31:33
Speaker 2: Whorah who rights it?
31:35
Speaker 7: Aren't I a champion?
31:37
Speaker 2: You know, we'll all go have a couple of gobby.
31:38
Speaker 2: I stuck it to the Tory.
31:40
Speaker 7: I stuck at the Tories. And it's all about their
31:44
Speaker 7: peking competition back in the bureau. It's not about what
31:48
Speaker 7: the Australian people really want to hear. Because a man
31:50
Speaker 7: tell you, the Australian people don't give a toss about
31:53
Speaker 7: how much indomitted power you got or not the seventy
31:57
Speaker 7: percent I would suggest, and Australian people like, whatever blows
32:01
Speaker 7: your hair back if you got any left about your sexuality,
32:04
Speaker 7: knock yourself out. But as far as have been paid
32:07
Speaker 7: part of the national debate for an election, give me
32:09
Speaker 7: a break. I even cares about that.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's worse. No, no, bad Toby.
32:14
Speaker 3: I think it's worse than that. If you came out
32:16
Speaker 3: of it, if they came out of a press conference
32:17
Speaker 3: with Joyce snaps at a reporter and even better, their name,
32:24
Speaker 3: that's marvelous, that's a calling card. Have you ever lost
32:27
Speaker 3: your temper at a reporter on the campaign trail?
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Speaker 7: Quite often, I have lost my temper reporters on the
32:34
Speaker 7: campaign trail very well. But you know, rarely do I
32:38
Speaker 7: say unto THEE that I have lost my call with
32:41
Speaker 7: reporters if I think that their purpose in life is
32:44
Speaker 7: not about a question about our nation, about a seminal
32:47
Speaker 7: issue that will make us strong as possible, as quickly
32:50
Speaker 7: as possible, that will keep us protected from the problems
32:53
Speaker 7: that are on our borders, such as the Chinese Communist
32:56
Speaker 7: Party circum navigating Australia Committee having live fire exercises off Sydney.
33:03
Speaker 7: Goodness sake, Sydney. I just can't believe when no one
33:06
Speaker 7: gets onto that. But you know, and I think they're
33:09
Speaker 7: just in the muney shy trying to make a big
33:12
Speaker 7: swinger of themselves back in the bureau and not actually
33:16
Speaker 7: really focusing on what the Australian people want. Yeah, I
33:19
Speaker 7: will lose my temple with them. I do not mind
33:21
Speaker 7: tough questions, absolutely, and I do not mind cogent tough
33:25
Speaker 7: questions from people who are professionals, and absolutely I like them.
33:29
Speaker 7: You know, I have, you know you people adversaries to you,
33:33
Speaker 7: whether's Patricia Cavallis or people from Fairfax.
33:37
Speaker 2: I actually like it.
33:37
Speaker 7: I like to get on the balls of my toes
33:39
Speaker 7: and fight from my space. But I just don't want
33:42
Speaker 7: bs questions about prattle from the peripheries that has no
33:46
Speaker 7: real effect apart from blowing up the ego or blowing
33:50
Speaker 7: the balloon of up from some little pimply face nobody.
33:54
Speaker 3: Well, moving on from that an sech day tomorrow. I
33:58
Speaker 3: know you're always at a ceremony. You will be, I
34:01
Speaker 3: guess commemoration tomorrow.
34:04
Speaker 2: I don't know what's the best ceremony you've ever been to.
34:07
Speaker 7: One of the most humbling ceremonies is when I was
34:09
Speaker 7: the presiding politician at the Australian Warm memorial and forty
34:13
Speaker 7: thousand people turned up in the rain with their umbrellas
34:16
Speaker 7: in the dark. They are not there to be seen.
34:19
Speaker 7: They're not there to make a big man or big
34:21
Speaker 7: lady of themselves. They're they're out of belief of our
34:23
Speaker 7: nation and respect for their families, and respect for the
34:26
Speaker 7: people who have loved and died and fought and suffered
34:30
Speaker 7: on behalf of our nation and the freedom of all.
34:33
Speaker 7: And I looked out in that crowd at the Australian
34:36
Speaker 7: warm Moral I thought, what an incredible nation we are
34:39
Speaker 7: because there's not one of these people who's here to
34:42
Speaker 7: be seen because it's dark and raining and they're carrying
34:45
Speaker 7: an umbrella. What isn't that just the most powerful thing?
34:52
Speaker 3: Bundby Joyce have a great Ansect day tomorrow. It is
34:54
Speaker 3: still one of the very very few ceremonies we have
34:57
Speaker 3: left to try to build a community of what's increasingly.
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Speaker 2: A nation of tribes. Long may at last, and thank
35:04
Speaker 2: you so much for your time.
35:07
Speaker 3: After the break, I'm going to talk to a One
35:13
Speaker 3: Nation candidate who's quite extraordinary, I think. I mean, these
35:17
Speaker 3: minor party candidates tend to get ignored by the media
35:19
Speaker 3: and the rush.
35:20
Speaker 2: For the big guys, the big parties.
35:22
Speaker 3: I like this person, particularly because she took on a
35:26
Speaker 3: university professor who started bagging me out after this. Every
35:35
Speaker 3: election throws up really interesting candidates standing for the minor parties,
35:39
Speaker 3: real individuals, but.
35:41
Speaker 2: They tend to get ignored by the media.
35:42
Speaker 3: You know, they go after the big fish, which is
35:44
Speaker 3: a pity, and in this case particularly so because Biancoe Collectionia,
35:49
Speaker 3: born in Italy, now standing for One Nation in the
35:51
Speaker 3: seat of Bruce, actually made a stand when her Melbourne
35:54
Speaker 3: University professor started a rent in her political economy class
35:58
Speaker 3: about how working class students you would vote ideally for
36:00
Speaker 3: communists and his dad shouldn't listen to me.
36:05
Speaker 11: If you're a working class person, at least a working
36:08
Speaker 11: class person that understands the true interests and is not
36:12
Speaker 11: suffering from some kind of false consciousness, then you know
36:16
Speaker 11: you will understand that you need to vote if you're
36:19
Speaker 11: in the werbing class for a left wing political party,
36:22
Speaker 11: ideally a communist one that will overthree capitalism. The through
36:26
Speaker 11: your part is that people, as Mark said and I
36:28
Speaker 11: mentioned false consciousness earlier, people are often really poorly informed,
36:34
Speaker 11: including I have to say some people in my own family,
36:36
Speaker 11: Jim with the older generation. Oh don't worry, don't worry
36:40
Speaker 11: Andrew about that clidate change Sube's really happy.
36:44
Speaker 2: My dad.
36:45
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's anyway poorly informed, disengaged, listening to the wrong
36:50
Speaker 11: people on TV. Andrew Bolt should be listening to me.
36:56
Speaker 3: Have I said, professor, why is such a fan of
36:58
Speaker 3: communism and not of me? And he says, oh no, no, he'
37:01
Speaker 3: started start of communists at all. It's just been flipping
37:03
Speaker 3: and describing class consciousness.
37:05
Speaker 2: This is out of context.
37:07
Speaker 3: Really, let's ask Bankeo, Colleccia Bianka, thank you so much
37:12
Speaker 3: for joining us. What did you do when that professor
37:14
Speaker 3: started raving about voting communists and not listening to conservatives?
37:19
Speaker 12: Firstly, thank you for having me Andrew, and yes, I
37:23
Speaker 12: actually withdrew from the subject straight after the first lecture.
37:28
Speaker 12: But after that I really started taking a quiet, rebellious,
37:33
Speaker 12: quiet approach. Every time I went to university, I will
37:35
Speaker 12: rock up with my one nation cap, with my MAGA cap.
37:38
Speaker 12: I will put my hand up and challenge lecture professors,
37:42
Speaker 12: guest lecturers, or like doing tutorials. Needless to say, I
37:48
Speaker 12: didn't make any friends at university.
37:52
Speaker 3: Well, you've changed the nationality now you're in Australian Why
37:55
Speaker 3: did you decide to then stand for politics and stand
37:59
Speaker 3: for one nation.
38:02
Speaker 12: Yes, well, as you said, I come from Italy and
38:07
Speaker 12: I gave up my Italian citizenship to be able to
38:09
Speaker 12: run as a federal candidate. I was actually always very
38:14
Speaker 12: disengaged from politics up until twenty twenty when COVID happened,
38:19
Speaker 12: and it was a really big wake up call for me,
38:22
Speaker 12: and I think I just started becoming aware of my surroundings,
38:26
Speaker 12: which I clearly wasn't before. And I really realized that
38:30
Speaker 12: I wasn't paying attention and I didn't notice like the
38:33
Speaker 12: big shifts that clearly were happening for quite some time.
38:37
Speaker 12: And that's why I decided to go to university, because
38:39
Speaker 12: I wanted to get involved and try to bring the
38:41
Speaker 12: change that me and many others really want and desperate,
38:45
Speaker 12: really need. And so I thought to go to university
38:48
Speaker 12: because having never been involved in politics, I didn't know
38:51
Speaker 12: anything about it. And you would think that you go
38:55
Speaker 12: to university to learn something that you will be able
38:58
Speaker 12: to apply in the workplace. But that was a huge
39:00
Speaker 12: disappointment because all I learned was ideology and nothing practical.
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Speaker 3: It's out of context. The professor to me, I don't
39:10
Speaker 3: know that that quite sounded out of context. That huge slav.
39:14
Speaker 3: I ran, Now, if this one difference you'd like to
39:16
Speaker 3: make in politics, should you be so fortunate to get elected,
39:20
Speaker 3: be ankle, what would it be?
39:24
Speaker 12: I think it's a couple of things. First of all,
39:26
Speaker 12: bring back common sense, which is really lacking nowadays. Then
39:30
Speaker 12: I would like to have leaders who are able to
39:33
Speaker 12: prioritize their people, you know, bring back some good old
39:36
Speaker 12: patriotism and a little healthy Dutch of nationalism. But I
39:40
Speaker 12: really think that it's important to fix the education system.
39:45
Speaker 12: And if you don't mind me giving you a quick
39:47
Speaker 12: other anecdot on my last subject last year, social sustainability.
39:53
Speaker 12: It was a compostory subject and I ended up withdrawing
39:56
Speaker 12: even though it was a compostory one, And again I
39:59
Speaker 12: challenged the university, Uh, it was all concepts like racial capitalism,
40:05
Speaker 12: cannibal capitalism, redeeming wiseness, like redeming whiteness.
40:10
Speaker 1: What what is that?
40:11
Speaker 7: Even like?
40:11
Speaker 12: How So I told the university, being a composory subject,
40:15
Speaker 12: that I refused to engage in that, and that I
40:18
Speaker 12: was giving them the chance to give me an alternative subject.
40:22
Speaker 12: They took about three weeks. They were powering me off
40:25
Speaker 12: from one office to another, and I actually threatened legal
40:28
Speaker 12: action if they didn't allow me to take a different subject.
40:32
Speaker 12: They ended up allowing me to, but again they took
40:36
Speaker 12: three weeks and on top of the three weeks that
40:38
Speaker 12: I took to get out of the subject, so it
40:40
Speaker 12: was six weeks in total. They took three weeks to
40:46
Speaker 12: approve and they only gave me a ten days extension
40:48
Speaker 12: out of you know, six weeks behind in the program.
40:51
Speaker 12: But eventually, you know, that just goes to show that
40:54
Speaker 12: if you push back, you know, thank you.
41:00
Speaker 3: Good on you for fighting Bianca and look Biunca Coleccia,
41:06
Speaker 3: May you be Australia's Georgia Maloney, let's see go Good
41:10
Speaker 3: on you.
41:11
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time.
41:12
Speaker 12: Thank you.
41:14
Speaker 3: After the break, Anthony Albanez, he finally admits he did
41:17
Speaker 3: fall off a stage, but immediately said he admitted no
41:20
Speaker 3: such thing.
41:21
Speaker 2: It's so bizarre.
41:23
Speaker 5: It was a joke.
41:25
Speaker 2: It was a joke.
41:26
Speaker 7: Chill out.
41:31
Speaker 3: There is something truly bizarre about this Prime Minister's relationship
41:35
Speaker 3: with the truth. I mean, the whole world saw Anthony
41:37
Speaker 3: Abaneze he fall off a stage during this campaign, but
41:41
Speaker 3: Albanezi then told the ABC no, he hadn't fallen at all,
41:44
Speaker 3: and he took a step back this morning. Only this
41:47
Speaker 3: morning did he finally admit he'd fallen.
41:50
Speaker 5: And what's the worst moment of this campaign so far?
41:54
Speaker 9: Probably falling off the stage that now.
41:56
Speaker 2: You said that was not a fall, You said, well,
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Speaker 2: I didn't.
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Speaker 3: Crazy thing is lady with journalists? He denoted it again,
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Speaker 3: even got quite cross.
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Speaker 2: It was a joke.
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Speaker 5: It was a joke.
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Speaker 13: Chill out after time, chill out.
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Speaker 14: I stumbled, that's what happened. I laughed about it at
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Speaker 14: the time. I laughed about it. Since it's no big deal.
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Speaker 14: I fell for Newcastle a long time ago.
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Speaker 3: Joining me in James McPherson from the Late Debate here
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Speaker 3: on scone News and scone News commentator Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 2: The People's Choice, What on earth is going here? Going
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Speaker 2: on here? I mean, this is bizarre, it is it is,
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Speaker 2: I reckon, I can tell you what's going on.
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Speaker 10: I think it was George Costanza from Seinfeld who said
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Speaker 10: it's not a lie if you believe it. And I
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Speaker 10: am convinced, and I haven't even spoken to him directly
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Speaker 10: about it, but I'm convinced. That Albow's one hundred percent
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Speaker 10: convinced that he didn't actually fall. I would bet my
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Speaker 10: bottom dollar he hasn't actually seen the footage himself. His
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Speaker 10: staff would have said, Nah, I was fine, No, I
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Speaker 10: was great, you just stumbled, don't worry about it.
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Speaker 2: PM, get back out there, away you go. And that's
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Speaker 2: what he would have.
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Speaker 10: Told himself, and I think that's what he would have
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Speaker 10: had to tell himself, so we can keep getting back
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Speaker 10: up because politicians, I suppose the sort of stuff they caught.
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Speaker 10: When you're in the public eye all the time, when
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Speaker 10: something is embarrassing, as that happens to you, you basically
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Speaker 10: can't afford to let yourself admit it. And I know politicians.
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Speaker 10: I've had politicians just absolutely flat out tell me black
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Speaker 10: is white so convincingly about you know, incredibly obvious stuff
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Speaker 10: like literally this sky is blue. And I was going back.
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Speaker 10: I was so convinced. I had to go back and
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Speaker 10: like check all the news reports about what had actually
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Speaker 10: happened at the time.
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Speaker 3: James, you, as a former pastor, you have stared deep
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Speaker 3: into people's souls. Soon your joined intellect to this question,
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Speaker 3: what is going on in the Prime Minister's head.
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Speaker 13: For a prime minister who's spent the past three years
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Speaker 13: fussing about misinformation and disinformation. He sure deals a lot
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Speaker 13: in half truths, mythstruths, and outright lies. I think when
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Speaker 13: he originally fell, he said that he had not fallen,
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Speaker 13: he'd misstepped, because the only thing worse than being identified
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Speaker 13: with Donald Trump is being identified with Joe Biden, who
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Speaker 13: famously fell about.
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Speaker 2: All over the place.
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Speaker 13: But then, a couple of weeks later, in an unguarded moment,
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Speaker 13: and I think that's the key. In this relaxed interview format,
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Speaker 13: Elbanezi was a little unguarded and he accidentally let the
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Speaker 13: truth slip out when asked what's your most embarrassing moment?
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Speaker 2: He was trying to be warm.
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Speaker 13: Self depreciation always is endearing, and so he told the truth,
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Speaker 13: which I think proves the fact that with Anthony Elberizi,
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Speaker 13: the truth is something that is either useful or not useful,
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Speaker 13: and he deals with it according to that principle, whether
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Speaker 13: or not it's going to help or not.
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Speaker 3: I knew you would get a little bit a physicist
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Speaker 3: at the end and stuff. I think that's appropriate. I
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Speaker 3: have to say, Joe, this seems to me the most
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Speaker 3: tribal election so far that I have seen in Australia.
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Speaker 3: You know, we've got the Muslim Votes movement for the
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Speaker 3: first time campaigning on Israel, on Palestine in particular, I
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Speaker 3: mean almost exclusively on that.
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Speaker 2: Here's another example.
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Speaker 3: The Victorian Turkish Alliance is excited that there are Muslim
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Speaker 3: candidates like this one in the Senator Fatima Payman's new
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Speaker 3: party and being Abdoh in Laylaw, and it has posted
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Speaker 3: this advice to viewers readers that in the end it
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Speaker 3: is not a labor issue for us. It is that
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Speaker 3: Basim Abdoh is the only Muslim candidate can win and
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Speaker 3: most important, if we want to see Muslim MPs in Parliament,
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Speaker 3: a Muslim always understands better than a non Muslim. I
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Speaker 3: don't know this is our future in traveled Australia, Joe.
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Speaker 2: Look, I hope not.
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Speaker 10: I think we're going to have that tested in real time,
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Speaker 10: in real life, with real voters, real Muslims, and I'm
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Speaker 10: pretty sure it's going to be a bit of a fizza.
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Speaker 10: I've done a bit of looking into the Muslim vote
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Speaker 10: movement in Southwest Sydney in particular, and I don't think
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Speaker 10: that they will actually have anything like the impact that
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Speaker 10: they're telling people that they're going to have. I think
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Speaker 10: to say Muslims will just vote for Muslims because their
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Speaker 10: Muslim is in fact an incredibly insulting and thing to
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Speaker 10: say about muslim So the idea that they are just
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Speaker 10: these sort of two dimensional beings who will vote on
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Speaker 10: the basis of religion and nothing else is an insulting
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Speaker 10: thing to say about any human being. It's like I'm
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Speaker 10: going to vote for whoever's a Catholic. I'm going to
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Speaker 10: vote for whoever's a forty eight year old white male
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Speaker 10: with arthritis. I mean, it's an absurd thing to say
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Speaker 10: people will vote for who's got the best offering, and
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Speaker 10: that includes Muslims and Jews and Hindus and Christians and
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Speaker 10: Orthodox and Maronites and anyone else. And I think we're
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Speaker 10: going to see a bit of a Some of these
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Speaker 10: seats in Southwest Sydney have Muslim populations of about twenty
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Speaker 10: five to thirty percent. If the Muslim vote candidates get
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Speaker 10: anything like that, I would be really surprised.
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Speaker 3: That, said James, I'm taking Joe's point there, but this
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Speaker 3: is a first time of a new sort of ethos
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Speaker 3: a political ethos. Let's see what happens in the future.
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Speaker 3: Are we going to see more candidates divided by racer religion,
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Speaker 3: back by enclaves of racer religion.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm going to disagree with Joe on this one.
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Speaker 13: I think people vote according to their worldview, and Muslims
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Speaker 13: would share a very specific worldview and vote accordingly. And
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Speaker 13: I think we'll get more of this because multiculturalism creates tribes,
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Speaker 13: and tribes vote on tribal lines. I don't think we
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Speaker 13: should be surprised by that. The question we've got to
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Speaker 13: ask is is that good for our country? And if not,
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Speaker 13: what are we going to do about it?
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Speaker 3: I think that's right too. Very quickly, Joe, almost out
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Speaker 3: of time. A million votes already cast in just forty
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Speaker 3: eight hours, with campaigns still got a week and a
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Speaker 3: half to go.
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Speaker 2: This is a strike is very healthy.
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Speaker 10: No, it's certainly going to change Australian democracy forever. There's
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Speaker 10: speculation that more than half of the voters will have
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Speaker 10: already voted before polling day has even begun, and so
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Speaker 10: that has a huge potential impact. It means that Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 10: for example, could have a blinder of a final week
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Speaker 10: of a campaign, and it probably wouldn't for ZIP wouldn't
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Speaker 10: have to make up for all the votes it'd already lost.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 10: Alternatively, you know, the PM could be outed as you know,
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Speaker 10: like Jack the Ripper and there's nothing that those votes
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Speaker 10: could do to change.
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Speaker 3: Good on your Joe Hildebrand and James McPherson. That's it
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Speaker 3: from me, Sherry Maxon Now, good night,