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Katie Woolf spoke with Minister for Small Business Paul Kirby · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Katie Wolf and three point sixty online at Mix
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  Speaker 1: one O four nine dot COMU.
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  Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine's
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  Speaker 2: three sixty and now. Well this morning, we've spoken a
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  Speaker 2: bit more about that situation with the Fanny Bay supermarket
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  Speaker 2: and also the beauty parlor and Karama being targeted by
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  Speaker 2: groups of youths on the Easter a long weekend. Now
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  Speaker 2: joining me in the studio right now is the Minister
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  Speaker 2: for Small Business, Paul Kirby.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning, morning, Katy.
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  Speaker 1: How are you really well now?
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  Speaker 2: Minister, I did get you on the show as I
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  Speaker 2: wanted an update on the situation at the waterfront with
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  Speaker 2: takeaway alcohol and also the development at Miley Point.
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  Speaker 1: And we will get to those.
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  Speaker 2: But as the Minister for Small Business, you must be
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  Speaker 2: pretty annoyed that we've got businesses at the moment being
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  Speaker 2: targeted by the looks of things, by groups of youths.
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  Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking to be honest with you, Katie.
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  Speaker 4: The people put their their heart and soul into these businesses.
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  Speaker 4: They spend a lot of years getting them up and running,
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  Speaker 4: and their local Darwin families and just see him targeted
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  Speaker 4: like this. It is heartbreaking for everybody I know with
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  Speaker 4: the IgA. We had some of our staff go and
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  Speaker 4: see those guys yesterday and twenty four hours later they
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  Speaker 4: sort of calm down and feel a little bit better
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  Speaker 4: about prospects. We've spoken with him about some of the
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  Speaker 4: previous be Secure grants that they've had and what that's done,
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  Speaker 4: some of the alcohol secure grants that we've got available
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  Speaker 4: now and be Secure grants that they're going to be
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  Speaker 4: able to get hold of going forward. So we'll work
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  Speaker 4: really closely with them, and yeah, we're confident that they'll
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  Speaker 4: they'll hang in and but it's just a horrible time,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Because, like you said, you're talking about businesses who've been
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  Speaker 2: operating for such a long time.
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  Speaker 1: The likes of Manual. You know, he's he's a lovely bloke.
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  Speaker 2: You go in there, he treats you like you're part
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  Speaker 2: of the family when you go in, you know, to
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  Speaker 2: buy a few different things.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, the real worry is that you.
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  Speaker 2: Lose wonderful people like that, and you lose those wonderful
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  Speaker 2: businesses if they if they are targeted.
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  Speaker 3: You often it is heart red. People put their heart
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  Speaker 3: and soul.
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  Speaker 4: They put a lot of their own finances in to
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  Speaker 4: get these businesses up and running. There's none of these
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  Speaker 4: businesses that run on massive margins, so we know from
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  Speaker 4: previous discussions that it does really really hurt when people
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  Speaker 4: are targeted like this.
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  Speaker 3: So we're very hopeful to be a good help to them.
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  Speaker 4: We've been around there already and will continue to support
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  Speaker 4: them and hopefully get some different measures in place that
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  Speaker 4: they can take a hold of.
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  Speaker 2: On that, I know that he had mentioned that they're
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  Speaker 2: not able to have a roller door out the front.
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  Speaker 2: Is that something that maybe could be looked ash.
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  Speaker 4: I think my understanding was that through the alcohol secure,
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  Speaker 4: you have to secure the area that the alcohol is in,
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  Speaker 4: and I think if you look at the IgA and
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  Speaker 4: Larakia there is security measures around their alcohol range, but
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  Speaker 4: the front door is a different arrangement. They may still
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  Speaker 4: be able to do that under a BIZ secure arrangement,
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  Speaker 4: and that's why we'll have people from the department go
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  Speaker 4: and talk through all of those options. Understand Clearly, I
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  Speaker 4: know that they did make some of those inquiries a
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  Speaker 4: while ago but didn't move forward with it. So perhaps
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  Speaker 4: we'll certainly have people with them and they may choose
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  Speaker 4: to move forward with some of that now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope, well, hopefully they're able to make that
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  Speaker 2: business more secure so that we don't have a situation
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  Speaker 2: like we saw on the weekend. Now. I do want
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  Speaker 2: to ask, though we know obviously there's a story on
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  Speaker 2: the front page of the paper today about this Karama
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  Speaker 2: business also being targeted, do you think that the legislative
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  Speaker 2: changes proposed by the government that you're part of will
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  Speaker 2: make a difference in this space.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure that they will, Katie, as it is frustrating,
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  Speaker 4: we know that there are repeat offenders that do get
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  Speaker 4: involved in some of these some of these issues and
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  Speaker 4: some of these break ins.
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  Speaker 3: I do really feel for the people of Karama.
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  Speaker 4: I know that Nari Kit works extremely hard out there,
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  Speaker 4: that they have got security in the complex around the
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  Speaker 4: Karama shops. I know that she fronts meetings quite often
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that she's getting firsthand information from people.
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  Speaker 4: She catches up with security people. She regularly meets with police.
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  Speaker 4: I know that she's doing a coffee with a cop
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  Speaker 4: so people from the vicinity can come in and have
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  Speaker 4: a coffee with the police in the very near future,
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  Speaker 4: so they can get first hand information and explain their
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  Speaker 4: problems and concerns firsthand. But yeah, it is disturbing when
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  Speaker 4: you see footage like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we are going to try and get Niria
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  Speaker 2: Kid on the show as well, because I know that
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  Speaker 2: she is copying a bit of criticism from our listeners,
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  Speaker 2: you know, about some of the situations that they're seeing
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  Speaker 2: in Karama at the moment. I do want to ask,
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  Speaker 2: you know, obviously with some of these concerns for small
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  Speaker 2: businesses when it comes to crime. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 2: great that the government's got things like be secure in
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  Speaker 2: different ways that people can secure their businesses.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean it's a bit bloody rich that we've.
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  Speaker 2: Got a situation where people actually have to do that
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  Speaker 2: and you know, we've still got them kids that are
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  Speaker 2: out on the street doing the wrong thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I understand people's and it is disappointing if people have
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  Speaker 4: been known to the system. We've put a range of
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  Speaker 4: things in place, from extra police in the top end,
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  Speaker 4: extra Larakia ranges. We've worked really closely with the Darwin
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  Speaker 4: City Council or City of Dawn to make sure that
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  Speaker 4: lighting and activation through spaces means that people aren't as
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  Speaker 4: willing to stay in places that are dark. Heidi holes
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  Speaker 4: through the town up and down the track, you know,
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  Speaker 4: with extra.
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  Speaker 3: Police coming on.
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  Speaker 4: We're really hopeful that with these legislative changes it will
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  Speaker 4: make sure that things do decrease into the future.
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  Speaker 3: It's never a space that you're.
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  Speaker 4: Finished with with crime, particularly in the Northern Territory. You're
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  Speaker 4: always looking at the next thing that you're doing, and
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  Speaker 4: certainly these legislative changes will be the next big thing
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  Speaker 4: for us to try and make sure we do curb
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  Speaker 4: some of those influences.
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  Speaker 1: And do you reckon they get a pass in May.
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  Speaker 3: We'll have to consider.
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  Speaker 4: The body of people that write up this legislation are
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  Speaker 4: extremely busy. They've got a lot on their plate. If
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  Speaker 4: the legislation comes in and it's in a position that
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  Speaker 4: it can be enacted quickly, then that'll be a decision
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  Speaker 4: for Cabinet and Caucus. And if it's not in a
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  Speaker 4: position where we still need to take extra consideration, then
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  Speaker 4: that'll have to happen. I know that we spend a
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  Speaker 4: big deal of time in twenty sixteen to twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: writing some of the legislation or rewriting some of the
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  Speaker 4: legislation from the previous administration, just because it was poorly
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  Speaker 4: done and it took a long time to correct some
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  Speaker 4: of those wrong. So if you get it wrong, it
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  Speaker 4: takes a long time to fix it up.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Ministro, do you want to ask about the government's
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  Speaker 2: announcement yesterday of two new commissioners to lead the work
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  Speaker 2: which needs to be undertaken as a result of the
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  Speaker 2: recommendations which were handed down by the Territory Economic Reconstruction Commission.
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  Speaker 2: The Opposition leader Leofanocchiaro very critical of the fact that
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  Speaker 2: there's two commissioners well, and quite a bit of other
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  Speaker 2: stuff as well, but I'll stick with the fact that
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  Speaker 2: there's two.
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  Speaker 1: Why is there.
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  Speaker 4: Too, just because of the gravity of the work that
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  Speaker 4: they've got to do, you, Katie, from my experience in
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  Speaker 4: the resources sector. Very shortly after coming into that role,
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  Speaker 4: Drew Wagner explained to me, Look, we do have four
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  Speaker 4: or five major projects on the horizon, but there's another
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  Speaker 4: dozen behind those that it will start to shore up
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  Speaker 4: some security for territories long term. We've always been behest
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  Speaker 4: to this boom and bust of the impact types of cycles.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen some great announcements recently and there'll be more
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  Speaker 4: into the future, but that is a full time role
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  Speaker 4: for somebody to make sure that those projects can keep
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  Speaker 4: rolling and keep being worked through in the space and
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  Speaker 4: time that they need to be worked through. Attracting brand
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  Speaker 4: new projects and brand new investment into the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 4: is completely different.
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  Speaker 3: Again.
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  Speaker 4: Post pandemic money won't circulate the globe that investment money
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  Speaker 4: for a while. It sounds like even today they're talking
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  Speaker 4: up America and how well their economy is looking into
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  Speaker 4: the future. So there will be investment money that floats around,
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  Speaker 4: but that will be a full time job for somebody
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  Speaker 4: to attract that dollars to the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people asking this morning why we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be you know, why we're going to be employing
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  Speaker 2: two new.
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  Speaker 1: People as well.
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  Speaker 2: Let's make a guess at more than two hundred thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars a year, you know, when we've already got a
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  Speaker 2: public service that has plenty of experienced people in there,
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  Speaker 2: why couldn't one of them do the job?
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  Speaker 4: From my experience, particularly if I use a resources sector,
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  Speaker 4: because that's an easy one to explain to have the
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  Speaker 4: same people that are traveling overseas or doing those face
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  Speaker 4: to face conversations with people to bring their investment here
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  Speaker 4: or to work through those long term mining plans. It's
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  Speaker 4: very difficult to step out of that space and then
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  Speaker 4: into the operational space, and in a small jurisdiction like Darwin,
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  Speaker 4: they have been the same people. Now, what we're saying
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  Speaker 4: is we're in a time and space now that they
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  Speaker 4: can't be that. It needs to be somebody that's really
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  Speaker 4: focused on bringing that overarching investment into the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 4: and getting those major projects off the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I want to ask you about the waterfront. I
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  Speaker 2: know that down there at the waterfront. We've spoken to
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  Speaker 2: them a late last week about the fact that those
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  Speaker 2: takeaway licenses or the takeaway alcohol, So I e. If
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  Speaker 2: you go down and enjoy a meal down there while
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  Speaker 2: the kids have a bit of a swim in the
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  Speaker 2: in the lagoon area, you're no longer going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to get a takeaway cocktail.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, why is this happening?
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  Speaker 2: It seems like we're targeting the wrong things here, Kurbs.
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  Speaker 4: That was something that changed it very short notice. We
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  Speaker 4: knew that those emergency powers would change at some stage,
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  Speaker 4: but there was a third party that put in a
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  Speaker 4: bit of a discrepancy. That meant that the director of
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  Speaker 4: Liquor Licensing had to get some legal advice. Once he
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  Speaker 4: had legal advice, he had to make a decision on
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  Speaker 4: it straight away. So that's why that capacity to serve
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  Speaker 4: takeaway alcohol in that vicinity got removed very very quickly.
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  Speaker 4: What we have done in that short time is spoken
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  Speaker 4: and it was talking with Samberg the Sea of the
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  Speaker 4: Waterfront Corporation very recently and we've spoken with the director
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  Speaker 4: of Liquor Licensing last week. We're hopeful that we will
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  Speaker 4: be we are able to get those licensees from down
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  Speaker 4: there to put a joint application in for a caterer's
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  Speaker 4: authorization to allow them to serve takeaway alcohol in that
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  Speaker 4: area that they cater for, and it'll be the same
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  Speaker 4: type of things that we try to do for Spain
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  Speaker 4: place in Austin Lane and people that run those businesses
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  Speaker 4: in that vicinity that we want to start to try
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  Speaker 4: and attract people to sit outside in this beautiful weather
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  Speaker 4: and have a quiet drink whiley' having a meal.
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  Speaker 1: How soon do you reckon that could be re implemented.
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  Speaker 4: Well, if we're getting I think it needs to be
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  Speaker 4: advertised for fourteen days. So if we can get that
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  Speaker 4: application in then it will depend on how quick the
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  Speaker 4: director can assess that, but he's given us a commitment
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  Speaker 4: that he'll move heaven and earth to get that done
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  Speaker 4: as quickly as he can.
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  Speaker 2: So it sounds as though it is going to be
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  Speaker 2: a situation where we can go back to enjoying a
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  Speaker 2: cocktail down at the waterfront.
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  Speaker 4: We're very hopeful that we'll have the kids down there
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  Speaker 4: having a swim and we'll be able to have us
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  Speaker 4: angry down there very shortly.
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  Speaker 2: Always responsibly, of course, always response. I do want to
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  Speaker 2: ask you before I let you go for a bit
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  Speaker 2: of an update on the situation at the Miley Point.
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  Speaker 2: I know that it's a playground, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: It is certainly a playground. There'll be things for mature
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  Speaker 4: age kids to be able to do. But also I'm
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  Speaker 4: very much looking forward to taking Lala down there and
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  Speaker 4: enjoying that when it opens. We're hopeful that they have
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  Speaker 4: had a hard time with a lot of asbestos on
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  Speaker 4: that site, so we're hopeful that in the coming weeks
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  Speaker 4: we'll be able to actually explain the exact date to
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  Speaker 4: people of when it's going to be open.
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  Speaker 3: But it's going to be a beautiful space.
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  Speaker 4: There's plenty of shade there some nice structures and beautiful
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  Speaker 4: play equipment for kids to be able to play on.
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  Speaker 4: Not too far off, not too far away, so that'll
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  Speaker 4: certainly be open for the dry season.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome well, Paul Kirby, the Minister for Small Business. Unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: we've run out of time. Thank you so very much
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  Speaker 2: for coming in this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks like Katie Cheers