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080223 Member for Araluen Robyn Lambley Chansey Paech allegations and response to NTG Alice measures · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is the Independent
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  Speaker 1: Member for Ara lu And, Robin Lamley.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Robin, Good morning Katie. Robin.
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  Speaker 1: You just heard that interview with the Chief Minister Natasha Files.
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  Speaker 1: What did you make of what she had to say?
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  Speaker 3: I feel just so completely disillusioned and disappointed in our
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  Speaker 3: Chief Minister. I'm a great believer, Katie that if you
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  Speaker 3: make a mistake, even as a politician, you own it
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  Speaker 3: and saying sorry goes a long way. I actually think
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  Speaker 3: people respect you more for taking ownership of the things
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  Speaker 3: you don't get particularly right and saying sorry. And there
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  Speaker 3: was just no admission of fault or the fact that
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  Speaker 3: they could have done things better by the Chief Minister
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  Speaker 3: at all. And I think that's the definition of arrogance.
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  Speaker 3: I know, well I remember it used to get bandied
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  Speaker 3: around a lot the former Colp government that word arrogant.
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  Speaker 3: But I think the Chief Minister has really excelled herself
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to arrogance this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Well it was it's quite disheartening to hear, as you said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's sort of no you know, no regret,
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  Speaker 1: no even discussing of how things could have been done differently.
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  Speaker 1: But Robin, the numbers in that report are horrifying, to
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  Speaker 1: put it really bluntly. You know, I will read them
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  Speaker 1: out again, but we know that in the Darrell Anderson Report,
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  Speaker 1: since twenty twenty one, Alice Springs has seen a seventy
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  Speaker 1: nine point four percent increase in.
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  Speaker 2: Alcohol related assaults.
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  Speaker 1: There's been a ninety six point seven percent increase in
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  Speaker 1: alcohol involved domestic violence related assaults. Clinical reports from the
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  Speaker 1: emergency department at the hospital have observed an increase in
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  Speaker 1: the severity of harm being inflicted on women since the
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  Speaker 1: Stronger Futures Act ended. And the report, I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: tells us what we've all sort of already known. And
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  Speaker 1: then when you look at the property offenses as well, Robin,
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  Speaker 1: you've been, like you literally said to me on the
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  Speaker 1: show last year, Katie, we are begging for help.
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  Speaker 3: And we have been. These figures we've seen increase escalate
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  Speaker 3: months on months, year on year for at least the
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  Speaker 3: last three years. So there's no excuse for their inaction.
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  Speaker 3: They made a decision a long time ago to ignore
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  Speaker 3: the problem down here. They've neglected us, you know, in hindsight,
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  Speaker 3: coming away from that big public meeting that was held
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  Speaker 3: in Alice Springs last Monday. I wasn't particularly in favor
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  Speaker 3: of the class action idea because it's just not me.
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  Speaker 3: It's not sort of in my DNA to go down
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  Speaker 3: that track that I get it. You know, you read
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  Speaker 3: that report from Darell Anderson and it's in and why
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  Speaker 3: just how poorly we have been treated by this government
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  Speaker 3: And for Natasha Philes to say so Katie fifteen times
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  Speaker 3: and talk about how complex and multifactorial it is given
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  Speaker 3: her total inaction for so long, just makes me sick.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we've been damaged down here, Aboriginal and non
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  Speaker 3: Aboriginal people across the board, we have all been damaged
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  Speaker 3: by this Chief Minister's lack of attention to caring for us,
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  Speaker 3: to her decision not to act responsibly. And before her
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  Speaker 3: came the former police Minister, I used to ask her
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  Speaker 3: questions every month in Parliament, Nicole Manathon, what are you
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  Speaker 3: going to do about this deteriorating state of law and
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  Speaker 3: order in Alice Springs And she would give the same
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  Speaker 3: repetitive response, basically talking about how much money they've trawn
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  Speaker 3: at the police and how they're doing a great job.
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  Speaker 3: No one believes you anymore, and the factspeg louder than were, Robin.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that the position that the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 1: government is in right now and the Chief Minister is tenable?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's not tenable from our perspective down here. They're
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  Speaker 3: all charging into Alice Springs as we speak to attend
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  Speaker 3: a Labor caucus meeting in Alice Springs. I just had
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  Speaker 3: a text from someone at the airport saying that they're
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  Speaker 3: all strolling in as if they own the place. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: people down here can't stand the side of these people
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  Speaker 3: because of how poorly they have been treated. I think
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  Speaker 3: that if I was to say anyone's position is untenable,
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  Speaker 3: it would be the Chief Minister and her Attorney General,
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  Speaker 3: who is the only minister from Central Australia in her cabinet.
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  Speaker 3: Those two led the charge to lift the alcohol bands
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  Speaker 3: across the town cans and all the other living areas,
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  Speaker 3: and which has precipitated this die position we'rein at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: They should take responsibility, they should own it, and at
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  Speaker 3: a bare minimum they should say give a deep and
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  Speaker 3: sincere ecology to the people down here. Robin, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: going to be forthcoming from what I.
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  Speaker 2: Know it doesn't sound that way. I did.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to ask the Chief Minister a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more about your comments on Sky News yesterday. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't get the opportunity, unfortunately, but I know that you
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  Speaker 1: called Chancey Paike a radical ideologue who's responsible for this
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  Speaker 1: whole mess. What did you mean by that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I've been calling Chancey Paike, our Attorney General, a
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  Speaker 3: radical extremist for a long time. I don't agree with
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  Speaker 3: his position on a lot of these social issues, and
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  Speaker 3: particularly this decision he made some time ago to lift
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  Speaker 3: these gog restrictions. I think he's got a conflict of
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  Speaker 3: interest with Tonguajira Council, which he has failed to declare.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it, I know it, and in anyone's book,
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  Speaker 3: that can constitute what is commonly referred to as corruption.
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  Speaker 3: Now on loads to use that word, but it does
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  Speaker 3: spell out that to me, he hasn't been upfront about
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  Speaker 3: his relationship with the various members of the Executive of
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  Speaker 3: tonguean Jira Council, whom he's the later, who works for him,
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  Speaker 3: who he is friends with, and the fact that they
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  Speaker 3: have been the only vocal organization average organization in the
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  Speaker 3: northern Territory to support that position of lifting the grog
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  Speaker 3: bands is more than suspicious. In my book, it's a
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  Speaker 3: he led the campaign within his caucus, within the Cabinet
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  Speaker 3: room and look at where we are now. He needs
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  Speaker 3: to go. No one in Alice Springs has got an
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  Speaker 3: ounce of respect per chance he Pake, and they've probably
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  Speaker 3: got the same amount of respect for the Chief Minister.
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  Speaker 3: When you feel that no care and no responsibility from
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  Speaker 3: the Chief Minister and the Attorney General of the Northern Territory,
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  Speaker 3: then the public will turn their back on them. And
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  Speaker 3: the reception they'll get down here this week is they
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  Speaker 3: wander around at theretend that they're loved and adored, will
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  Speaker 3: be disappointing for them.
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  Speaker 1: Robin, it's a big call, you know, the Chancey Pake
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  Speaker 1: and the conflict of interest with Tongue in Jee Town Council.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody knows about it. Is that something talks about it.
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  Speaker 1: Is it something that you would refer or would report
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  Speaker 1: to the Eye CAAC or anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Else potentially, Yes, I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 2: About that, So you're considering it right now?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, a referral to Eye CAAC. I think it's the impact.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's conflicts of interest, and there's conflicts of interest,
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  Speaker 3: but this conflict of interest has had such a devastating
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  Speaker 3: impact on each and every one of us down here
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  Speaker 3: in Central Australia. You can't get away with that sort
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  Speaker 3: of behavior at a bare minimum. You have to own
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  Speaker 3: the conflicts that you have. And it's a simple process.
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  Speaker 3: You say, unrelated to so and so, and they work here,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we all know how it works. But there's
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  Speaker 3: been no declaration of a conflict of interest at all
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  Speaker 3: coming from the Attorney General. And I think that's the
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  Speaker 3: source of a lot of our troubles down here, the
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  Speaker 3: fact that he was so influential in his caucus and
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  Speaker 3: in the Cabinet over this decision, this crazy, insane, irresponsible
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  Speaker 3: decision to lift the grog bands. Despite the advice from
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  Speaker 3: reputable people, Aboriginal people across the Northern Territory, they charged on.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't listen to anyone. The Chief Minister did not
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  Speaker 3: consult adequately with anyone about this decision. I think she
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  Speaker 3: was led by the impressiveness to Chancey Paig and both
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  Speaker 3: of them have egg on their faces. The chickens have
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  Speaker 3: come home to roots. They've made a very very bad
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  Speaker 3: decision and it's come back to buy them.
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  Speaker 2: Robin, I am going to have to get ready to
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  Speaker 2: wrap up.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, we know that there is going to be territory
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  Speaker 1: wide you know, alcohol restrictions now back in place. That
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  Speaker 1: legislation is being drafted. We also know that two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars is going to be invested by
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  Speaker 1: the federal government. In addition to forty eight million dollars
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  Speaker 1: which was announced last year, it's nearly three hundred million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel as though there is a hope for
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  Speaker 1: Central Australia.
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  Speaker 3: I don't trust this government for a second. They have
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  Speaker 3: not spent any money down here at all. They promised
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  Speaker 3: twenty million dollars for our CBD revitalization program in twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: They still haven't even spent that. I think you'll find
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  Speaker 3: that a lot of this money goes up to is centralized,
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  Speaker 3: back up to Darwin, and we will see very little
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  Speaker 3: of it. And in terms of the alcohol restrictions, yes
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  Speaker 3: they need to stay in place. This whole business of
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  Speaker 3: a ballot for people on those lands, in those stations
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  Speaker 3: and town camps, that's an example of political nonsense and trickery.
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  Speaker 3: It would never be done to anyone satisfaction. Those restrictions
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  Speaker 3: have to stay in place for many years until law
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  Speaker 3: and order can be restored across Central Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Robin Lanley, the Independent member for Ara lun I, always
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  Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thank you very much for speaking with
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  Speaker 1: me this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you Katie, thank you