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Dean Dwyer: Under The Influence Of Deception, Lies, And Propaganda · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hello again friends, brothers and sisters, thank you so much for tuning in.
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  We're going all the way to Australia for today's guest and it's such a blessing to reconnect
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  with Pastor Dean Dwyer.
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  He is again, the pastor of Isaac Street Baptist Church, the website,
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  Isaac Street Baptist Church dot com in Toowoomba, Australia.
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  So we're going to spend a lot of time in Harbinger's Daily Today because he is a great contributor
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  there.
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  And I also want to mention, for those of you that have missed maybe a handful of podcasts
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  in the last week or so, we have now added two new speakers to the conference lineup that's
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  Alex Newman with Liberty Sentinel and Brianna Clausen with Harbinger's Daily.
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  She's the chief editor there and she is from Canada, but she'll become in a Green Bay
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  Wisconsin for the conference May 1st and 2nd and we've got the website up and running.
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  There it is, worldviewmattersconference.com, worldviewmattersconference.com, Dean Dwyer,
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  it's a blessing to see your brother, thanks for your time today.
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  Why is it privileged?
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  Get out to everybody from the land down under.
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  Yes, and before we were on getting on the podcast here, we had a conversation about just
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  the leadership there which we will touch on and I'm sure it's very disappointing to you
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  as an evangelical Christian who believes in the Bible and religious freedom to see what's
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  happening with basically a communist and charge there as the prime minister, Anthony
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  Albanese.
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  There's two different articles we're going to get to.
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  This is one that you wrote a couple of weeks ago.
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  It didn't take long for Australia's pro-Palestine mob to reemerge with violent rhetoric.
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  Let's get to this second.
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  The first one we want to go to because there are some very interesting stats in this one
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  over at also over at Harbinger's Daily.
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  As Australia pushes Christian voices out of public debate, the nation is reaching a
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  moral flashpoint.
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  This is by Decision Magazine and it's at Harbinger's Daily.
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  So Dean, let's just touch on this before we dive into yours, please.
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  What?
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  Just go ahead.
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  Absolutely.
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  Well, as you touched on, David, unfortunately Australia has been in a great spiritual and
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  moral slide for the last number of decades.
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  I mean, you go back to the Australia of 100 years ago.
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  Australians and particularly Australian soldiers were very well respected around the world.
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  Tough, uncompromising people who stood up for what is right, stood up for moral values
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  and of course Christian values as well.
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  Now in Israel in particular, Australians were very well respected.
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  There's a memorial, a war memorial at Besheba because Australian soldiers were instrumental
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  in pushing the Ottomans out of Israel, which then opened up obviously God's plan to reestablish
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  Israel in its ancient homeland.
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  So Australians, particularly amongst Israelis, have been really well respected from that
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  point of view.
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  And we see, if we apply the Genesis 12, 3 principle, that God had really blessed Australia
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  because we were so instrumental in helping the rebirth of Israel in that plan.
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  Now, subsequent to that, we see over the decades, like many Western nations, unfortunately
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  and as the title says, as Christian voices are pushed out of the public square and you
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  could argue in some cases and you've talked about this on the show before, in some cases
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  we've retreated from the public square, in other cases we've been pushed out.
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  So it's incumbent upon us to be able to identify which has happened because in a retreat
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  scenario, obviously we bear the blame for not being as actively engaged in the cultural
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  wars as we should be, but no doubt politicians have taken advantage of that very fact.
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  And unfortunately, as we know in a spiritual vacuum, something else is going to fill it
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  if Christianity withdraws.
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  And so what we see now obviously is secular humanism.
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  And as we touched on, some of the communistic principles that have come through because
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  as Trevor Loudon has written about, Anthony Albanese has a very, very long history going
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  back to his university days with communist activism.
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  So he's carried this through obviously into his political career and very friendly with
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  China.
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  And so unfortunately, we see not only in some states in Australia, but also federally,
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  we have Christianity pushed out and obviously secular humanism and some elements of communism
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  coming to the fore.
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  So as a Christian, obviously we hold some concern over the direction of the nation and
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  above all else concern over the spiritual landscape of Australia and what this means
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  in terms of going forward as Christian leaders, because we just don't feel that our voices
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  are valued within the public square anymore and like many Western nations, that's been
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  absolutely deliberate.
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  But it's no less painful because we're pushing out the things that are life giving.
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  We're pushing out the word of God.
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  We're pushing out the words of life in favour of words really that bring no value, no substance
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  to the human life and certainly no eternal value as well.
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  So this is where we sit at the moment.
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  It's really a finally balanced state in Australia.
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  And so it's going to tip by the way and unfortunately, we see the scales tipping in favour of a
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  radical kind of communist future.
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  Yeah, and as you say, very interesting, the things happening at the same time, it's
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  not just the church or people of faith withdrawing from culture and not standing up for the truth
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  of God's word and biblical principles and values, religious freedom, things like that
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  anymore.
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  But the left, the enemies of God pushing Christians out of the public square.
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  So these things are going hand in hand.
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  They're happening at the same time.
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  And that's what's really disappointing.
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  Like you said, it's not just the left.
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  Enemies of God have been at it, you know, for thousands of years, right?
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  But also what I'm seeing, Dean, is what's happening in Australia.
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  You had a communist leader or have, but he was reelected a couple years ago.
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  And I'm thinking, boy, isn't there an interesting parallel with what just happened in New
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  York City?
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  Because America is very, we're in a dangerous place right now because we've got too many
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  Christians over the decades have withdrawn from making the voices of truth, sanity, common
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  sense, God's word in the gospel, known in culture, in their sphere of influence.
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  Well, at the same time, enemies of God have pushed God out of every major institution,
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  government, corporations, the university system, the education system, a Hollywood media.
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  So we remove God and Christian influence.
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  And the church has backed out.
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  So we're not far behind.
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  I hate to say it.
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  Australia, your thoughts on that?
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  And I mean, in Australia, Anthony Albanese, he was elected in 2022, reelected in 2025
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  to the great surprise of many people because he didn't prove himself as a leader.
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  He's not a leader.
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  He is historically an activist, and that's where he's most comfortable.
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  And what's been proven, particularly since the Bondi terrorist attack, he doesn't have
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  leadership qualities.
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  He shouldn't be anywhere near the Prime Ministerial Office.
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  But what's most surprising, unlike America, where voting isn't mandatory in Australia,
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  it is.
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  So we really get a good snapshot of where the public mindset is when people go to the
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  polls, because everybody is required to vote.
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  And so I guess it just reinforces the fact that like in America, you know, you've got younger
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  people who have this socialist mindset, who are thinking in their mind that, well, capitalism
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  isn't working.
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  So let's try something else.
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  And I really think this is where the public are driving this conversation differently,
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  because in their mind, and certainly within the education system here and no doubt in America,
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  they've been led to believe that a capitalist society cannot succeed.
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  That capitalism has failed the world, and we must there will go in another direction.
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  And there you have it.
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  Quite conveniently, here is socialism, communism, Marxism, which is now held up.
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  It's almost as if it's been pre-planned that, OK, we'll let capitalism go so far, we'll
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  allow it to fail, or we'll deliberately make it fail.
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  So then we can come in with socialism, Marxism, communism.
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  I mean, the cynic in all of us, David, would say that this has been planned, and there
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  will be a collapse at some stage, and then obviously what will come in behind that is a Marxist
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  society that nobody really wants, because I think people romanticize what socialism looks
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  like, but as Margaret Thatcher used to say, the problem with socialism is eventually you
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  run out of other people's money.
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  True.
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  Fact check true, throughout world history, fact check true.
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  So Dean, I want to just quote you in an email, and then we'll talk about your article.
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  You were talking about recently the pro-Palestinian movement, people that were protesting and chanting,
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  and apparently they were saying things, maybe I'm just hearing this on the news reports
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  in America, but in Australia, you said they were chanting all Zionists are terrorists.
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  And you say how ironic that people aligned with an actual terrorist organization would
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  accuse us of being terrorists, yet this is the Isaiah 520 world that we live in, where evil
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  is called good, good is called evil.
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  Just a little bit about that, because we know Satan is the father of lies, and the accuser
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  of the brethren, and they're accusing us of being terrorists, it's kind of truth is
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  flipped on its head.
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  Go ahead and share whatever you like.
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  Absolutely, it's the inversion, it's the moral inversion that we see and frustratingly
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  we see throughout the world, but as you say, Isaiah 520 is in effect, and so sadly most
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  of your listeners and viewers would be aware of the Bondi terrorist attack, which happened
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  on the 14th of December.
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  So things went quite, obviously we had the intervening Christmas period, and it seemed that the people
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  who were so radical in leading these protests and attending these protests and being very
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  vocal around their globalising the interferer, they seemed to go back retreat for a few weeks,
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  and we thought that there might be some change, we thought that this event might have shocked
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  the moral compass of some people into action, and that they would reflect on what they were
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  doing and how this perpetuated violence, but very sadly, after the New Year, the pro-Palestinian
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  protests have started up again, so just this at the time of recording, just our last Saturday,
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  the 11th of January, there were more protests, and this was in Melbourne, and unfortunately
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  we caught a new snippet where some guy was using a megaphone to shout all Zionists are terrorists.
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  So as you said, David, it's deeply ironic, and that someone aligned with Hamas would
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  a terrorist organisation, a declared terrorist organisation, would claim that Zionists,
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  and let's not forget that we are Zionists, because Zionists is someone who believes that Israel
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  has a right to be in their ancient homeland, and so unfortunately this is now the mindset,
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  they seem to come up with these clever little slogans, and now they've come up with a new one,
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  all Zionists are terrorists, and look, this again is just the evil of the satanically driven
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  pro-Palestinian movement, it does not seem to rationalise what rhetoric it's spewing forward,
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  and unfortunately they're not just offending Jews, but Remnant believers as well,
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  who firmly put themselves in the Zionist camp. So according to them, we are now terrorists, David.
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  Well, yeah, and when you remove truth, and when you don't really know all the facts,
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  it's easy to fall for the propaganda, and that's what these, you know, enemies of God are
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  putting out, now I'll just call it, it is a demonic movement. I want to quote from your articles,
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  the students of Palestine, there was a visit from, I guess, someone from Israel, who was coming
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  to visit. He's come, yeah, Isaac Herzog is scheduled to visit. He hasn't come yet, but he has
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  really what whipped them into a frenzy. It seemed that they said awaken them from their slumber
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  after Bondi, and so the moment they heard that Isaac Herzog had been invited by Anthony
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  Albanese to come to Australia, which is more than fair enough. He's a Jewish leader, a head of
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  state, who is being invited to Australia to visit the site of the worst terrorist attack on
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  Australian soil, and it's against the Jewish community. The rational mind would say,
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  that's more than fair, that's more than okay. He wants to pay his respects, he wants to
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  encourage the Jewish community. But again, in the pro-Palestinian mindset, you see, what's happening
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  is that they feel that they're fighting for the justice of the Palestinians. This is the warped
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  mindset. They are equating the term globalised the Indifada as being equivalent to seeking justice
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  for the Palestinians. The reality is that as we know, and as people have been warning about for
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  a number of years now, the term globalised the Indifada is not a call to justice, it's a call to
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  violence. And so this has been the frustration that Jewish community and a lot of Christian
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  leaders have been warning governments, the world over, that this phrase will lead to violence.
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  They didn't listen. And so unfortunately, on the 14th of December 2025 in Australia,
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  it led to violence when two men picked up high-powered rifles and shotguns and sought an elevated
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  position and fired upon peaceful Jewish families who were simply there at the beach side,
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  beautiful Sunday night to light the first Hanukkah candle. Now this is evil. And anyone associated
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  with the pro-Palestinian movement, this is a reckoning. You have to reflect on what's happened
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  and your entire movement, and particularly the phrase globalised the Indifada, and see what
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  this has led to. Now I know some police forces around the world, the UK in particular, have now
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  recognised and some areas, some states have sought to ban the phrase, which is fantastic. But again,
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  it took the blood of Jewish lives for people to get to this point. And this is what's most
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  disappointing because we could see this happening. Nobody would take action. And now we see, and in some
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  ways, we're pleased to see Anthony Albanese and some state leaders in Australia beginning to take
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  action. But unfortunately, for the families that are grieving, it's too late.
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  Yeah, and I just want to mention and have you respond a little bit further to the propaganda.
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  What they put out there is really amazing. I'm referring to the students of Palestine.
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  They said this amid these atrocities, the Australian political establishment
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  is weaponising the Bondi massacre to crush Palestine's solidarity. How dare they?
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  On its face, it's so ridiculous. But I guess they wouldn't say that if they didn't think
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  enough people would maybe buy into it. Go ahead, Dean. Share your thoughts on that.
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  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and as you touched on before, David, this is the whole intention of
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  propaganda. It takes people who are otherwise uneducated in a certain area. It fills them with
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  something that seems genuine and seems true. And unfortunately, they just get swept up in the masses.
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  And I mean, we had very large protests in Sydney and Melbourne with the bulk of the protests,
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  because that is where the most of the Muslim presence is in Australia. And unfortunately,
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  you've got Australians who, as I said, I'm not being nasty, but they're uneducated in this area.
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  They don't know the history of Israel. I mean, the pro-Palestinian movement is a case of
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  identity theft. How would you like it if someone came into your home, took all of your possessions,
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  took your identity, recognised that you'd been living there for all of your life,
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  but they come along in the last few years and say, look, you get out, I'm going to take over
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  your life now. I'm the true occupants and owner of this place. And the police are there just saying,
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  well, we support this guy who's come along at the last minute and not the homeowner. This is,
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  if you put that in very simplistic terms, this is the lunacy of the argument, particularly when
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  you look at some of the archaeology of Israel, that they're discovering on a daily basis.
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  The historical connection is there. It's not up for debate. And yet again, because we've got
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  so much deception, which is satanically driven in this age, the enemy has blinded the minds
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  of people. And unfortunately, people just get swept up in it. And again, as I finished in one of
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  the articles, I said, unfortunately, until the world recognises the true source of anti-Semitism,
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  which is satan, then they're going to be blind to the true answer to anti-Semitism, which is
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  Jesus Christ. And I made the point in one of the articles that any Christian who truly loves
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  and obeys Jesus, it's unthinkable for them to kindle hate against Jews. So I know that we've got
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  some Christians supposedly, and there's a couple of well-known names on the supposed Christian
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  right in America. But to kindle hatred against Jewish people and say that you're a Christian,
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  it doesn't make sense. So I think we need to understand and align these people with King Herod
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  in the Bible. And we forget this. We skim over this every Christmas where
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  King Herod went out and killed every Jewish baby two years old and under. This wicked king did
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  why? Because he didn't kill every Gentile or Palestinian baby note because Jesus was known as
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  the King of the Jews. And that was a threat to King Herod. We forget about this. So if you are on
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  the side, now I know we have maybe even some that are listening or watching that might disagree
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  with you or me. And that's okay friends. We can agree to disagree. But biblically speaking,
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  we have to understand Jesus, Jesus is our Messiah. That was his background. Then biblically
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  speaking, let's understand the land and what God promised and the covenants in the Old Testament.
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  Now Dean, what you said was very interesting. You said, and I'll say this aside from what the
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  Bible teaches, archaeology and world history, there is a record of what is found there who lived
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  where Israel had this land and they lived there. Which it's really is amazing to me that people
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  can fall for some of these lies. Go ahead, share your thoughts. Absolutely. And I mean the archaeological
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  evidence isn't just centered in Israel either. I mean you've got evidence in Egypt where you've
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  got ancient steels where Israel is mentioned. You've got the tombs of Esther in Mordekai in Iran
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  which still exists to this day. So you've got evidence throughout the Middle East. But again,
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  it comes back down to the fact that it doesn't work for the propaganda. And we know that there have
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  been Muslim groups who have destroyed evidence from the temple mount, connecting the Jewish presence
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  back to the temple mount and to Israel as well. So you're not only going through a process of
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  identity theft, you're going through a process of property destruction as well. And so this whole
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  movement is built on deceit. And again, I think there needs to be a reckoning. And it started
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  in some ways with the political class. They've finally been woken up to the fact that something
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  needs to be done about antisemitism in this nation. But it also needs to filter down culturally as
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  well and socially. And this is where we need more voices to be bringing the facts, the indisputable
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  facts, particularly pointing back to some of the archaeological evidence because you can't dispute
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  that. But again, it becomes convenient to either overlook it or destroy it all for the sake of
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  continuing this line of thought. Again, it all comes back to Satan. This is his agenda.
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  And let's not forget that in the future, once the prophetic program unfolds and then we get to
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  the millennial kingdom, the millennial kingdom is Israel centered. Jesus comes back to rule and
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  reign from Jerusalem. So Israel is still highly important in God's program. And unfortunately,
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  there are many churches in Australia who've been infected with replacement theology,
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  an millennial doctrine. And so if you wipe out the kingdom program and any future for God's people,
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  will you going to distort the meaning of the scriptures and obviously a future plan for Israel?
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  So Dean, before we run out of time, you mentioned in your article something I don't understand
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  here as far as how we work our government in the states here. But you mentioned something about
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  a Royal Commission and some sort of investigation or how would that work and what can you tell us
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  about what that is all about? Yeah, sure. By the time I wrote the article, there was still some
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  debate around whether the Royal Commission would be implemented. And so it has now been. And so what
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  the Royal Commission will do is that it will look to identify what went wrong, what happened in
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  the lead up to this event. Now Royal Commission's, they don't happen often. They are an extensive
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  investigation and they're an expensive investigation as well. So this is why they don't, they aren't often
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  called in Australia. But essentially the purpose is going to be threefold for the Royal Commission.
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  It's going to look to find out why specific events happened and obviously we're talking about
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  the Bondi terrorist attack. It aims to identify who was accountable, which is going to be extremely
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  important in this scenario. And then it will make certain recommendations about changes to policy
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  procedures, laws, etc. So the Royal Commission, Anthony Albanese, he did bow to pressure because he
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  was very resistant for a while. But there was really a grassroots movement amongst Christians,
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  amongst other leaders, Jewish leaders, business leaders, to really push for this because again,
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  this was the worst terrorist attack on Australian soil. It was against the Jewish community. We've
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  been, you know, allowing in this country since October 7, these constant protests again, which not
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  only have chance of globalised the interferer, we had the Opera House scenario where people were
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  saying gas the Jews. And you know, some of these protests, you saw Islamic state flags. Now that's
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  a real problem. And as I said, anyone could see where this was leading. But again, you've got this
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  fine balance around the right to protest. But you know, when the right to protest is really calling
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  for genocide, then that's a problem. And so we'll see what comes out of the Royal Commission. But at
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  this stage, it's been called, its findings are going to take a year or two because it'll go through
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  an extensive process. So we will see. But in the meantime, Anthony Albanese is looking to introduce
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  some hate speech laws, which again is problematic. And I think he probably feels that this is the
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  right thing to do because it's specifically to deal with anti-Semitism. But there's some provisions
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  in the bill which have us concerned as believers. And so it remains to be seen where this will all
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  go. But unfortunately, I think it might restrict some freedom of speech in certain areas.
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  So Pastor Dean Dwyer, we've got just two minutes left. And we've got viewers mainly from North
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  America. But we do have some in Australia and a couple other countries. But what would you
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  encourage the body of Christ to do? Or what can we keep an eye on? Or how can we respond with
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  all that's happening? And obviously watching for Jesus and being discerning. But just share your
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  thoughts on just some encouragement. Absolutely. I mean, I referenced Esther before. And Esther is
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  one of those books that we've seen to skip over as Christians. But there's great lessons in Esther.
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  And one of them, as we will know David, is the phrase, you were born for such a time as this.
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  And for all of us to recognize that it's no accident that we're in this age. God has equipped us
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  with a mind that works. He's given us the scriptures, which he's preserved down through the centuries.
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  And he's put us in trusted remnant churches where we can serve and worship him. And he's connected
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  us with great ministries like yours and like Harbinger's daily and so many others around the world.
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  So, utilize them. Lean on each other. Utilise those ministries. Utilise their content. Continue
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  to stay in the word and to stay engaged with trusted ministries because the deception is only going
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  to grow worse. And it's incumbent upon us to be able to know the information, know the facts so
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  that we're able to not only encourage the body of Christ, but also to lovingly correct those who
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  might be wrong in certain areas as well. Because as I said, not only does this have temporal value,
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  but it has eternal value as well. So, you're born for such a time as this. Hang in there. I know it's
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  tough and it's getting tougher, but hang in there. God is sovereign and he'll work it out.
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  Amen, friends. We strengthen your faith. Make sure you're in the word. We are doing our best to
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  understand what the Bible teaches and let of what's happening in our world, but also strengthen and
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  encourage other believers in Christ. Let's rally the remnant in these last days. Who knows how much
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  time we have? We need to redeem the time. A brother, Dean Dwyer, thank you so much. God bless you.
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  Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. So, good to see you, friends. Thanks for sharing the podcast
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  and for your support. God bless you. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.