Latest / The Play Therapy Circle / Episode 9- Facilitating Emotional Expression Through Play
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- 0:00Hi there and welcome to the Play Therapy Circle.
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- 0:33Hi and welcome to an episode of The Play Therapy Circle.
- 0:38I'm Kylie Ellison, a therapist, clinical supervisor and play
- 0:42therapy trainer and I'm so grateful you're here.
- 0:45This podcast is a space for thoughtful, soulful
- 0:49conversations about child centred therapy, play based work
- 0:53and what it means to show up with presence and compassion
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- 1:00Whether you're a seasoned play therapist, a student just
- 1:03starting out, or someone deeply passionate about working with
- 1:07children, you belong here. Hi there and welcome to the Play
- 1:14Therapy Circle. I'm your host, Kylie Ellison,
- 1:17and I am so glad you are here. Welcome guys to episode 9.
- 1:24Wow, we're almost last of the single digits, then into the
- 1:27double digits next week. Amazing.
- 1:30Thank you so much again for being here and for the support
- 1:34and following along. I hope that you are finding
- 1:38these episodes helpful and useful in your CCPT practise
- 1:42because I'm definitely loving doing them.
- 1:45I have gotten feedback on different topics that I can be
- 1:48doing in the next few months as well, so I am very excited with
- 1:52some of those topics that I think you guys are going to
- 1:54really like to. And this topic today of course,
- 1:57but general check in. How's everyone doing?
- 2:00Hope you're having a good week. It is actually cold here today,
- 2:04which is very random because it's September in Brisbane so it
- 2:07should start to get hot, but it is not.
- 2:10So I fear this is the last of winter before we really start to
- 2:14get that hot weather that we get here in Brisbane.
- 2:16You can probably hear the wind outside.
- 2:17So I'm just prefacing all of that for today's episode.
- 2:21I think that certainly in connecting with different
- 2:24supervisors this week, it has definitely been recurrent that I
- 2:29think the community in general is feeling a little fatigued.
- 2:33So if you are feeling a little bit tired this week, if you are
- 2:38just just, yeah, having a minute where it's just a little bit
- 2:42long, I guess in the week, just wanting to let you know that you
- 2:46are not alone. And I definitely am looking
- 2:49forward to a bit of a quiet, relaxing weekend after a busy
- 2:54week in the clinic. Wherever you are in the world, I
- 2:56hope you are having a lovely week.
- 2:59Look, the topic that I want to talk about today and what I want
- 3:02to get into is this idea of facilitating emotional
- 3:06expression through play. I was only actually talking
- 3:09about this to someone yesterday and describing the superpower, I
- 3:14guess, of CCPT really being about us understanding at a very
- 3:19deep level what children are communicating through play.
- 3:24And I really want to underscore that because I think that as
- 3:27professionals, we go about our day and our weeks.
- 3:30Like I was saying, it's September, there's Christmas
- 3:33trees out guys at Big W, if you are in Australia, in the
- 3:37southern hemisphere, we have already got trees, Christmas
- 3:39trees out for sale like it's September.
- 3:41So like we're all on the slide to Christmas at this point.
- 3:46So if you're feeling a little weary, that is part of the
- 3:48reason why. But what I want to acknowledge
- 3:50is we go through our weeks and do our work and don't actually
- 3:53realise that there are certainly people in our community who
- 3:57don't have that same level of understanding of what play is
- 4:01all about and that really core skill around understanding
- 4:04what's being communicated. Not only understanding the play,
- 4:06but understanding the meaning and the message behind it.
- 4:09So I think that's something that we can't underestimate and we
- 4:12really, as Gary Landress says, we shouldn't be just sharing the
- 4:15skills, sorry, we shouldn't just be holding the skills in the
- 4:18playroom, but we should be sharing it.
- 4:19It's to that extent as well where I have been sharing that
- 4:22idea with parents and clients around this concept of observing
- 4:27play just to hear and understand.
- 4:30So if that message helps you in your week, I certainly extend it
- 4:35to you because I think it's an important part of our practise
- 4:38that we. I think I know for myself, I
- 4:41sometimes take for granted that people understand what is the
- 4:45meaning behind play when that's not necessarily always the case.
- 4:47So this topic today, I really want to talk to those areas of
- 4:52practise related to that emotional expression through
- 4:55play and what that looks like when we're trying to facilitate
- 4:58that in the playroom. What's our role and what's the
- 5:01child's role and what is the role of play and how does that
- 5:04all work? So this is the topic for this
- 5:07week and next week we're then going to go into tracking and
- 5:09reflecting feelings. So that is definitely then that
- 5:12next skill that we're talking about.
- 5:14But we can't enter the playroom and start our work with kids if
- 5:18we don't have that holistic understanding of how much is
- 5:23expressed and communicated through play, which I know for
- 5:26those of you out there who are passionate about CCPT, you
- 5:28already know this. But I think it's a really
- 5:31important part of our practise to incorporate into our everyday
- 5:35reflections. So what do I want to talk about
- 5:38here? I guess I want to start off with
- 5:40the idea of how how emotional expression is conveyed for
- 5:44children and especially through the lens of child development
- 5:48theory, which is really important.
- 5:49So we know that children progress and develop through
- 5:52different stages across their early years.
- 5:55And part of that is recognising that being able to put words to
- 6:00their feelings is something that doesn't come naturally for kids
- 6:03in those formative years. And I know that if you are a
- 6:06parent listening, and certainly traditional parenting approaches
- 6:10very much have encouraged parents to say, put a word and
- 6:14you're like, name your feelings, tell me what you're feeling, use
- 6:17your words, those kind of phrases that are used in the
- 6:20vernacular community. And unfortunately, when we look
- 6:23at child development theory, that is counterproductive to
- 6:26what we understand about the development of children.
- 6:29They genuinely don't always know how to put words to their
- 6:32feelings. So how can we help them to
- 6:34express themselves and to be able to tell their story in the
- 6:38way that feels conducive for them?
- 6:42It feels connected and it feels natural for them.
- 6:46So we know that is certainly in them being able to play out
- 6:50their experiences and play out their feelings.
- 6:53We often say when we're talking to parents to help them to
- 6:56understand this concept is to say playing for children is like
- 7:00talking for adults when we enter the therapy space.
- 7:03I think that is also why we are seeing certainly an increase in
- 7:08members of the community showing more of an interest in play
- 7:10therapy because those traditional talk based methods
- 7:13for children just haven't landed.
- 7:15So when we talk about what play represents for kids, we're
- 7:19really talking about the fact that they will use symbols and
- 7:22they will use metaphors. So any of you who have studied
- 7:26previously, say, in the narrative therapy space, because
- 7:28I'm also equally passionate about that approach to
- 7:31intervention. I think that there is a lovely
- 7:34connection there where we can look at and assess and
- 7:38understand and hold in mind that some of the meaning of
- 7:42children's play can be channelled through metaphors.
- 7:44And I think that's great. I think that we it's so
- 7:48important for us to meet children where they're at.
- 7:51I have so many thoughts about that.
- 7:53I'm not going to go into today because I promise we will expand
- 7:56on that as we go through the podcast.
- 7:58But if you can have another takeaway from this episode,
- 8:02please hold this in mind that our approach in working in CCPT
- 8:08is very much around meeting the child where they are at this
- 8:12point in their journey, meeting them where they're at this point
- 8:16in their journey. So what does that mean for us as
- 8:18a CCPT practitioner? It means that we still have the
- 8:22same skills that we use of tracking, reflecting, feelings,
- 8:26limit setting, making, meaning that all still sits in our
- 8:29approach. However, there's also a need for
- 8:32us to ensure that we are holding truly our tenants of CCPT, which
- 8:38is congruence, empathy, and unconditional positive regard
- 8:42that we've talked about in previous episodes.
- 8:45Why am I saying this? Because I think sometimes we can
- 8:47have children in the playroom that we don't necessarily
- 8:50connect with or we have a struggle with hearing their
- 8:53story. And that can be for a variety of
- 8:55reasons and too many to list today.
- 8:59But if you find as a CCPT practitioner that you are
- 9:02entering the playroom and you are struggling to be able to
- 9:05connect with a child or to understand their emotional
- 9:08expression or their meanings behind their play, it's so
- 9:12important that we go to clinical supervision.
- 9:16We seek out that support because you're not alone.
- 9:19This is absolutely part of the journey of being a CCPT
- 9:22practitioner is that we are constantly learning ourselves.
- 9:26We are constantly students of this approach.
- 9:29However, what I like to lean into, and I hope this is helpful
- 9:33for those of you listening, is that I know in building a
- 9:37connection with a child, I need to be authentic.
- 9:42If I'm leaning into my tenant of congruence, for me as a
- 9:46practitioner, that equates to being authentic and that may
- 9:50resonate for you. So I'm sharing that with you.
- 9:52So what does authentic mean to me?
- 9:54It doesn't mean that I suddenly shift into asking questions,
- 9:59giving them activities to do, moving into that directive
- 10:02space. Instead, what it means is that I
- 10:06want to give those of you listening who are practising as
- 10:09CCPT practitioners or beginning in this space or experienced in
- 10:12this space, to give yourself that grace to be able to be
- 10:20present in the room that's authentic for you too.
- 10:23We hold very dear absolutely 100% the tenants and approach of
- 10:29CPT. But I think that there's a good
- 10:31argument and especially for our earlier episodes when we talked
- 10:35about the relationship. So I'm leaning into change
- 10:37theory here, I'm leaning into attachment theory here, I'm
- 10:40leaning into child development theory here when I say that if
- 10:45we are not authentic, we are going to struggle to connect
- 10:49with the child. So that authenticity looks
- 10:53different for each practitioner. So what's important for you is
- 10:58to decide and establish for yourself what does authenticity
- 11:02mean for me? So if I ask myself that question
- 11:05when I'm in the playroom, I often will be very congruent in
- 11:11my approach. So what does that mean?
- 11:13I will do things like, and I'm holding in mind a client that I
- 11:17have recently been working with who is absolutely incredible and
- 11:22certainly not in terms of their presentation, not necessarily a
- 11:26child that we would see traditionally under the CCPT
- 11:29hat. Not for the sense that they
- 11:32don't qualify or are not appropriate for CCPT, but
- 11:36certainly requires all skills, all skills to be able to engage,
- 11:40which is great because we love those students, right?
- 11:42And I'm sorry, we love those teachers.
- 11:45I am the student. I should correct myself there.
- 11:47I'm the student as the therapist, the child is the
- 11:48teacher. I'm teaching me about the world.
- 11:50So I'm very mindful of that when I connect in the playroom.
- 11:54But what I am learning with this client is that me being
- 11:59transparent is part of me being authentic.
- 12:02So again, what do I mean by that?
- 12:04So I might say something like oh man this room is so messy today.
- 12:08That was on my list today mate. But I'm I just haven't got to
- 12:12tidying. So it's a bit of a mess in here
- 12:15saying something like that because let's be real, I'm ADHD
- 12:21like diagnosed. I am a good procrastinator on a
- 12:25great day. So do I need to tidy my room?
- 12:28Yes. Have I had time because I've had
- 12:307 or 8 appointments back to back?
- 12:31Also, yes, so this is the problem and I need to be
- 12:36congruent and authentic in that space when connecting with that
- 12:39child. So I say that because I want to
- 12:42acknowledge what they might be observing or seeing or feeling.
- 12:46I might say something like, it's just so important right now for
- 12:51you to check everything out here just so that you know what's
- 12:54happening in this room today. That makes sense.
- 12:56Yep. And that's that.
- 12:57Obviously reflecting back of that content and making meaning
- 13:00of the play. But I'm going a step further
- 13:03than just saying you're looking around the room.
- 13:06I'm actually helping them to deepen their understanding of
- 13:10what they're doing, helping them to understand that I'm following
- 13:13along and validating what's happening for them.
- 13:15But I also want to bring an essence of myself into the
- 13:18playroom, not because it's about me.
- 13:20I'm very clear here that this session is about the child.
- 13:24But if I just sat there and said you're looking around the room,
- 13:27you're picking that one up, you're putting that one down.
- 13:30I don't know. For me personally, and this is a
- 13:33non judgmental space, everyone. So we're all welcome.
- 13:35We're all welcome. I, for me personally would not
- 13:39feel congruent or authentic in just using that.
- 13:43So I stay in my tenants as CCPT, but I make sure that I'm
- 13:48supporting the child to feel connected with me.
- 13:51And we want that experience to be able to be replicated outside
- 13:55of Playtherapy because that's the goal, right?
- 13:57So we want to make sure that in that interaction, they feel that
- 14:01sense of empathy. And I can't really do that if
- 14:05I'm going, you're picking that one up, you're putting that one
- 14:08down, and you're not singing it like that.
- 14:09I'm just giving that as a rough example, but you know what I'm
- 14:13saying? I think that there is certainly
- 14:15a good argument for us to bring ourselves to the room.
- 14:18And like I said, we've talked about that in previous episodes
- 14:20as well, and feel free to follow that too.
- 14:22But I think that then opens the space for the child to be able
- 14:26to emotionally express themselves, which is the topic
- 14:28of today's conversation, which now I'm back on my point.
- 14:31So thanks for following along. I get there, I promise I get
- 14:34there. So if we don't offer that space,
- 14:39and I put this out as a wondering, and I don't have the
- 14:42answer for this right now. And again, I'm not, I'm going an
- 14:46attention instead of following my plan here for the episode.
- 14:48But anyway, that's what I do. I put out that wondering that if
- 14:53we're not able to hold that space where kids feel fully
- 14:55supported, at what level can they express themselves?
- 15:00And that's a, that's an interesting open ended question
- 15:04that I'm not going to give an answer for today.
- 15:06But I plant that seed for you as the listener because I think
- 15:10that in fact, as I talk more about this and think about it
- 15:13out loud, is actually part of our responsibility as a
- 15:16therapist to provide that emotionally supportive space for
- 15:21kids to be themselves, to be able to be vulnerable, to be
- 15:25seen and heard, and to be able to share the tough stuff.
- 15:29So my argument would be based on everything I said, is I don't
- 15:33think kids can do that if we aren't authentically ourselves.
- 15:37So if you feel like in the playroom, you're having these
- 15:40reflections of kids where you're feeling really stuck or you're
- 15:43feeling like, gosh, I just don't know if things are landing.
- 15:46I'm not sure that we're connecting.
- 15:48It feels very clunky in the playroom.
- 15:50I don't feel like the child is really unpacking that deeper
- 15:54work that I was expecting. All of the above.
- 15:57First and foremost, please seek out clinical supervision.
- 16:00That is absolutely the number one tip that I give you.
- 16:03But secondly, then in listening to this, it might be about
- 16:08thinking for yourself. How do you authentically show up
- 16:12in the playroom? And that answer is going to be
- 16:16different for everyone. And what I again, what I want to
- 16:20say to you guys is I want to give you that permission to have
- 16:22a go at that and see what happens when we stop, put
- 16:27everything at the door and connect with our true self to
- 16:31the child's true self to help them to communicate what they
- 16:35need to. I leave that with you to have a
- 16:37think about. It might be that you are a bit
- 16:41more emotionally expressive. I know for me, when I'm
- 16:44authentically in the playroom, I like to get very involved in the
- 16:51emotion and the intensity of the play.
- 16:53I'm not involving myself in the play, just to clarify.
- 16:57It's very important that I stay objective.
- 16:59But in that objectivity I'm really conveying through my
- 17:03emotional expression. That's my tone of voice, my
- 17:05facial expressions, my non verbal cues, my bodily movement,
- 17:09my physical presence. I'm doing a lot.
- 17:11I'm working really hard to show the child that I'm following
- 17:16along in their expression of their play.
- 17:18So if you feel like you need to be clinical, I guess in your
- 17:23approach, I'm giving you that permission to consider what are
- 17:28the ways that I can, yeah, be myself in the playroom and what
- 17:33does that look like? OK.
- 17:35When we're talking about the benefits of children being able
- 17:39to use play to express themselves, obviously there's so
- 17:43many benefits and we talk about that in our initial intake with
- 17:46parents. It's so important when we're
- 17:48obtaining consent for therapy that we're talking about the
- 17:51risks and the benefits. That is absolutely just part of
- 17:56our approach. So you all would be doing this
- 17:58already, but when we're talking about the benefits in general,
- 18:01we can highlight the fact that it obviously provides an
- 18:05emotional release. It helps cathartically for
- 18:08children to play out how they're feeling.
- 18:11And that's one of the key benefits that we highlight to
- 18:13parents. It certainly also helps them to
- 18:17process difficult, traumatic, overwhelming events on.
- 18:22I was only talking to one of my student cohorts recently about
- 18:28that reflection of certainly our community at present and very
- 18:32much what our four to six year old age group of children in our
- 18:36community are currently facing in terms of that emotional
- 18:38expression and in particular high separation anxiety and high
- 18:42anxiety. And I promise I will do a
- 18:45podcast episode on that because that is very relevant and very
- 18:48important right now for you guys as practitioners.
- 18:51So by the by, we were talking about the fact that even what
- 18:56happened around 2020 and 2021, we wouldn't typically put in the
- 19:02category of a traumatic event. But one of my incredible
- 19:06students was reflecting about a definition she had come across
- 19:09in training. She had done herself around the
- 19:11definition of trauma. And obviously there's a few out
- 19:14there, but she was reflecting, and I'm going to paraphrase this
- 19:16because I feel like I'm not going to get this right, but the
- 19:20pretence or the purpose of this definition was that children
- 19:24often experience trauma as an event or events where that
- 19:29safety or that concept or that feeling or that understanding of
- 19:33safety has been challenged or in fact, has been destroyed in many
- 19:38cases where they don't feel safe.
- 19:40And I think that's really an interesting application.
- 19:43We were talking about this in the training, if we then look
- 19:45through that lens of 2020 and 2021 around COVID-19.
- 19:49So I think that really talks to children's experiences and
- 19:54especially from a child development perspective,
- 19:56egocentrically what those experiences of trauma are like.
- 20:00And they need an Ave and an outlet that is appropriate and
- 20:05beneficial for them, which is play.
- 20:08It obviously also helps in building that emotional
- 20:10literacy. So just like I started the
- 20:12conversation talking about those approaches or recommendations in
- 20:17our community around telling kids to put words to their
- 20:20feelings. They can't do that cognitively,
- 20:23but we can help them through play by labing, labelling those
- 20:27feelings as the parent, as the caregiver, as therapist to help
- 20:31build that emotional literacy and connection for them as they
- 20:34grow and develop. So it actually in the reverse
- 20:37has this incredible being able to increase that emotional
- 20:39literacy. We also obviously in doing that
- 20:42and connecting with kids, and this is where filial therapy
- 20:44becomes so relevant and so important is it also helps to
- 20:48build connection and trust with adults, with parents, with
- 20:50caregivers in the child's life. So it's why now more than ever,
- 20:55play is so important guys, so important.
- 20:59We obviously know when we're building on that concept and
- 21:02that idea. I think that when we're talking
- 21:04about the different types of play and we know that children
- 21:08will use all different resources in their environment, in their
- 21:12space, whatever they have handy and available to be able to play
- 21:15out what they can't verbalise. So we know the kids are doing
- 21:18this 24/7. So I often say to parents what
- 21:21I'm seeing in the playroom, there's probably a version that
- 21:23you're seeing at home. So again, Ioffer that
- 21:25opportunity for them to just observe and watch.
- 21:29Don't intervene, don't try and ask questions, don't direct the
- 21:33play, don't try and check your understanding of the play.
- 21:35Just observe. Just observe because it helps
- 21:39them to just process in real time.
- 21:41What we see with play is a couple of different types I'm
- 21:45just going to touch on too, being symbolic versus literal.
- 21:49So we do see different types of play and once we become trained
- 21:53and experienced in this space, it becomes easier for us to
- 21:56understand. But we look at that symbolic
- 21:58play versus literal play. So we might have examples where,
- 22:02and there's so many of them, where we might have literal play
- 22:05where a child may use the dolls house to play out an experience
- 22:08in real time of domestic violence, for example.
- 22:12So we can have an understanding by watching that play of exactly
- 22:16how that translates to their life outside of play therapy.
- 22:18So that's obviously one type of play we also have.
- 22:22And I think what children gravitate more readily to is
- 22:24symbolic play. So that comes from a range of
- 22:28resources and a range of ways of them being able to communicate
- 22:31that. And so they may use different
- 22:35resources to tell you their story.
- 22:38So I've had, and certainly just as a broad example, no specific
- 22:42clients here, guys that I'm mentioning.
- 22:43Just over the years, what I've seen, if a child is feeling
- 22:48disempowered, in fact, it may have been a trauma experience
- 22:51themselves that they've gone through.
- 22:54It might be bullying, peer relationship issues.
- 22:57Sometimes what kids will use is that symbolism of army and
- 23:02soldiers. I have a large pack of army
- 23:04soldiers and tanks and guns and all those kinds of things,
- 23:08plastic ones, guys, all of those kinds of things in the playroom,
- 23:10right? And they will use that metaphor
- 23:14to build different sides and show you what that battle, what
- 23:18that challenge, what that difficulty really looks like in
- 23:23real time. But we have to sit and observe
- 23:26and understand at a deeper level, both through the content
- 23:29of their play, lots of other factors, the transparency,
- 23:32counter transparency, emotional expression, all of those things
- 23:34come together to help us to understand that this is
- 23:37something in their world that they're trying to tell us.
- 23:39So they will use symbolism. They'll use resources in the
- 23:41room for sure. So obviously there is different
- 23:46resources that kids will use. I've also just talked about
- 23:48that. But we do see obviously a lot of
- 23:50that work, say in the sand tray, like I mentioned before, the
- 23:53dolls house, We can see that in the kitchen.
- 23:56We can see that through art, we can see that through Plato.
- 23:59There is so many ways that kids will symbolically talk to us
- 24:03about what's what's going on for them.
- 24:05So what's our role as the therapist?
- 24:07And we talked at the start of this episode a little bit about
- 24:11being our authentic self. That doesn't, that doesn't
- 24:13change. What I will emphasise here in
- 24:16terms of understanding the emotional expression of in
- 24:20children's play is the importance of us observing
- 24:24themes. So we will talk about themes in
- 24:27an episode. I promise guys, it's coming so
- 24:29much content with CCPT, you guys.
- 24:31So I'm getting to them once a week.
- 24:34But it's really important. And our role as a therapist is
- 24:37to observe and understand what might be some of those themes.
- 24:42So for those of you trained in CCPT, you know there is a whole
- 24:45list of things in child centre play therapy.
- 24:49So they can be a range of different things.
- 24:51So if we go back to the Army battle as an idea, those themes
- 24:55could relate to aggression, safety and security, power and
- 24:59control. They can be all different
- 25:01aspects of the child's play. And what I like to encourage my
- 25:05supervisors to think about is not only are we observing the
- 25:09play when we're talking to parents specifically, because I
- 25:12know sometimes it's easy for us to identify the themes in our
- 25:16practise, but then it's translating that to make sense
- 25:19in the real world. And often times I like to look
- 25:22at what is that theme in the play and in the playroom and how
- 25:26does that apply to outside? So for example, when we're
- 25:31talking about, say we're talking about a bullying scenario of a
- 25:34child in school who's being bullied and they come and they
- 25:37show us through the army and the soldiers that they are
- 25:41constantly being defeated. And they've usually put us in
- 25:43the position of that. So we're always losing.
- 25:45So there's something around the soldiers, one side never
- 25:48winning, always being defeated, always being overpowered.
- 25:52And so we talk about that theme of power and control, right?
- 25:54So we would then translate that and look at that.
- 25:57There's many different ways we can translate that.
- 25:59Here's just one where we could say, OK, what might be happening
- 26:02here? And it's all hypothesis testing
- 26:04and information gathering, guys. We're never definitive, but
- 26:07we're assuming or wondering or have a curiosity around maybe
- 26:11outside of play therapy, feeling like they're being overwhelmed,
- 26:15dominated over, don't feel like they can ever win, don't feel
- 26:18like they can ever find a way out of this experience of what
- 26:21they're going through. And that's how they've shown us
- 26:23through the play. So in doing that, then we've
- 26:25launched off that particular topic to give some strategies
- 26:28and suggestions to parents because we want to make this a
- 26:31parallel process where we're working in the playroom, but we
- 26:34also are working holistically and upskilling parents and
- 26:36caregivers. So anyway, I'm going off topic,
- 26:39but what's important is for us to understand and observe those
- 26:42themes. This also relates then to
- 26:45participating in the play. And again, I won't go into this
- 26:47in too much detail as well, but we need to stay objective as
- 26:50much as we can to be able to holistically observe those
- 26:53things. We definitely guys, and I can't
- 26:57emphasise this enough because definitely if you're a beginning
- 26:59play therapist, this will happen.
- 27:00So I just want to normalise this is what happens, but also
- 27:03encourage you to stay curious without rushing to interpret.
- 27:09And in the beginning, we can feel like that is a way out for
- 27:12us if we have an understanding fairly quickly of what the child
- 27:16is trying to tell us so that we've got information to report
- 27:19to stakeholders, for example, it can, we can definitely feel that
- 27:22pressure as play therapist. So I just want to, again, give
- 27:27you guys that permission to take some time to observe those
- 27:30themes before interpreting, so we can use those curiosity and
- 27:35wonder statements to children to workshop.
- 27:38Are we on the right track? So we definitely, through CPT
- 27:42allow them to be and express themselves authentically.
- 27:45So that's really important as well.
- 27:48What are some tips that I want to share with you guys before we
- 27:51finish up today? I just noticed the time and I'm
- 27:54like, you guys, it's 30 minutes almost.
- 27:57So I guess my podcasts are no longer going to be 10 minutes
- 28:01each. I hope you have found this so
- 28:04far useful because I do, I go off on tangents, you guys, but
- 28:06hopefully this has been useful. OK, So what are the tips for us
- 28:10as CCPT practitioners? It's a really important that
- 28:14we're creating that safe space. So I go back to my original kind
- 28:18of wonderings and conversation at the beginning of this podcast
- 28:21around, I would argue, I don't think we can create that safe
- 28:26space without us feeling regulated, congruent, authentic,
- 28:32truly ourselves in the playroom. So I'm really want to give you
- 28:35guys that homework. Think about what that means for
- 28:37you to show up authentically, not in that.
- 28:42And I want to emphasise to guys that when you become a beginning
- 28:45play therapist, you probably will do this because you are
- 28:47building your skills and you're building your experience.
- 28:49So I want to give you that permission as well to be kind to
- 28:51yourselves through this process. But I think that we can often in
- 28:55the beginning, lean too hard into just our approach and not
- 28:58recognise some of those other super important dynamics of
- 29:02therapy. So that's one of them.
- 29:04So I think we need to be ourselves in order to hold that
- 29:07space and offer that space of respect, mutuality, connection
- 29:11and congruence. It's really important when we're
- 29:14following the play that we're reflecting, but we're not
- 29:17labelling so much. We want to put that reflection
- 29:20out to the child to hypothesis test and understand if we're on
- 29:24the right track. But we're certainly not
- 29:26directing them in terms of their work or telling them how they
- 29:30feel in terms of definitively telling them this is what it is.
- 29:33We're very much just staying curious.
- 29:35So it's very important that we are following along.
- 29:39And we make sure that, as I was saying before, when we're
- 29:42talking about joining the play, we obviously can connect and go
- 29:46along and walk alongside them. But we don't take over.
- 29:49We don't dominate that play or instruct them.
- 29:52And I think that the challenge in this space can very much be
- 29:56around the silence in the playroom.
- 29:59I almost feel like that should be a podcast topic all of its
- 30:02own. I feel like I'm going to have so
- 30:03many topics this year. All right?
- 30:05Every time I do a podcast, I'm like, and I'm going to add that
- 30:08to the list because silence from a psychodynamic lens is
- 30:12incredibly fun to reflect on and unpack.
- 30:16But just being present for us as play therapists in the playroom
- 30:21has such a powerful effect. I had one of my students the
- 30:26other day say what a relief it was to hear that she didn't have
- 30:32to be the expert in the playroom.
- 30:34She didn't have to have all of the answers.
- 30:37And I was truly thrilled because I was like, that is at its core.
- 30:43When we look at our origins and our history of CCPT, that was a
- 30:48branch falling on my roof. Sorry guys, if we look at the
- 30:51history of CCPT starting way back at Anna Freud and Melanie
- 30:55Klein, we definitely didn't need to be the experts.
- 30:59Then we look at Carl Rogers who also sits in that person centred
- 31:04space where the client is the expert.
- 31:06And here comes us with CCPT, we don't need to have the answers
- 31:11and be the expert. So being present is powerful.
- 31:17Yeah, we also want to avoid rushing things or assessing
- 31:23themes or meanings, as I've said earlier, until we've really
- 31:26reflected on it holistically, access, clinical supervision,
- 31:29all those good things. So what do I want you guys to
- 31:32take away? I guess that, and we're going to
- 31:34talk about this when we look at unpacking themes and meaning of
- 31:38play in CCPT, because that's a whole other episode.
- 31:42But certainly in a child centre play therapy, we will always see
- 31:45patterns in children's play and it tells you so much more than
- 31:48it will with words. And I definitely walk my
- 31:51supervisees through that process when I am connecting with them.
- 31:54And I'm keen to share that with you as well in an upcoming
- 31:57episode. But definitely understanding
- 31:59that play. And what I find fascinating
- 32:02about kids is they absolutely don't come with an agenda,
- 32:04right? They know the things that they
- 32:06really want to talk about, not necessarily cognitively, but
- 32:08they definitely know unconsciously.
- 32:10But the incredible thing that kids do that I have noticed
- 32:14consistently over my 10 year CCPT career so far is that those
- 32:20sequences of play and the different themes tell a story.
- 32:24So if you are just looking at 1 theme in your session so far
- 32:28with a child, I encourage you to take a step back and look a
- 32:32little bit more holistically across the session and in what
- 32:36order you see those themes because that tells you volumes
- 32:40about what the child is trying to process and communicate with
- 32:43you. We are absolutely responding
- 32:45with curiosity, not correction and we know that.
- 32:48But I think ultimately and something that came out recently
- 32:51in the training as well, that I just, it's always good to have
- 32:53those reminders, which is why I have this podcast so I can share
- 32:56this with you guys too, is this idea of trusting the pace of the
- 33:00child, but more importantly, trust the process.
- 33:04Trust yourself as the therapist and trust the child.
- 33:08That's huge when you think about children who present in a way
- 33:15that you struggle to connect with.
- 33:18And there can be so many different reasons and so many
- 33:20different factors, guys. And this should be the end of
- 33:22the episode, not the beginning, right?
- 33:23So I'm not going to go into this into more detail right now, but
- 33:26what I think is important is if we are struggling to connect,
- 33:32what is it about US in terms of how we show up and connect in
- 33:36the playroom? What is it about the child and
- 33:38what is it about the process that we're doubting that we're
- 33:40not necessarily able to fully put that trust into?
- 33:43And that's just a really important part of where self
- 33:46reflection comes in and clinical supervision and personal therapy
- 33:49and all of that good stuff. I am keen to give this question
- 33:54to you. I've got 2 questions because I'm
- 33:56ADHD and I bounce around. I love this.
- 33:59So obviously the first question from earlier in this episode was
- 34:04how do you authentically show up in the playroom?
- 34:08What does that look like for you?
- 34:10I posed that first question to you.
- 34:11The second one I want to give you is I want you to think about
- 34:16the last time you watched a child engaging in play, self
- 34:21initiated, self directed and what feelings might they have
- 34:26been working through when you were watching them in real time.
- 34:29Because it literally is a superpower now that you as a
- 34:33CCPT practitioner never unseen when you connect with children.
- 34:37So I know for many of you going to the park, going to a indoor
- 34:41play centre, you are going to see children in real time
- 34:44playing out experiences, their feelings, their understanding of
- 34:48the world. And as CCPT practitioners, we
- 34:50can have an understanding of that before others, which is
- 34:53really cool. I want to thank you guys for
- 34:56being here. Time check.
- 34:58It's 36 minutes. That's not too bad.
- 35:00That's not too bad. Thanks for hanging out with me
- 35:02for 36 minutes. We next week, as I said earlier,
- 35:06in this episode, we're going to talk about tracking and
- 35:08reflecting feelings. So we're going to start to do
- 35:11more of those nuts and bolts of play therapy.
- 35:14I hope you guys enjoyed last week's episode when we're
- 35:17talking about setting up a playroom.
- 35:18Please check that out. I know for many beginning play
- 35:20therapists, it is questions that they have that's really helpful.
- 35:24Please, if you enjoyed this episode, give us a a good review
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- 35:40out to our communities. So thank you again for
- 35:44connecting with me today and thinking about all those things
- 35:48CCPT related. I wish you well, go well, and I
- 35:52will see you next time. Thank you so much for being here
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- 36:18it to feel like a conversation. Until next time, take care of
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