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The Kenny Report | 24 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the Skoing You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me on Chris Kenny.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, Donald Trump delivers an astonishing ceasefire in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: with Iran, Israel, and the US agreeing to down weapons.
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  Speaker 2: The Middle East is safer.
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  Speaker 1: For now, and if it holds, the world is safer
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  Speaker 1: for a long while to come.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight I'll cross to experts here in Israel and within
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  Speaker 2: the Iranian community in the United States, and I'll show
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  Speaker 2: you just how weak, worthless, and out of step our
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  Speaker 2: government has been on all of this, all that and
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  Speaker 2: plenty more. With Sophie o'sworth in Israel, Christen Tate in
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  Speaker 2: the US, Tim Blair, Stephen Senna Tiempo, and Suzi O'Brien,
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  Speaker 2: let's get into it. The decisive military action taken by
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  Speaker 2: the US at the instigation of President Donald Trump on
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  Speaker 2: the weekend is already paying handsome dividends for the Middle
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  Speaker 2: Least and the world. Now, we all have to be cautious.
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  Speaker 2: This is a tinderbox. It could be undone in an instant.
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  Speaker 2: Iran today has been firing missiles into Israel, killing at
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  Speaker 2: least four people, claiming the missiles were launched just before
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  Speaker 2: the ceasefire came into force, where we've been waiting all
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  Speaker 2: day for Israel's formal response, and it's just come through
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  Speaker 2: in the last few minutes, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
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  Speaker 2: formally agreeing.
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  Speaker 1: To the ceasefire terms.
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  Speaker 2: But at this stage, with much diplomacy and the formalities
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  Speaker 2: to play out, it appears that conflict between Iran and Israel,
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  Speaker 2: and between the US and Iran is on hold under
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  Speaker 2: a ceasefire that could become permanent.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a momentous day.
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  Speaker 2: So let's start in the Gulf state of Qatar, where
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  Speaker 2: Iranian missiles targeted the US military base at Al Udid.
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  Speaker 2: Now this attack failed, missiles were intercepted and others landed
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  Speaker 2: in the desert.
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  Speaker 1: This is a massive.
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  Speaker 2: US military base, crucial for operations right around the Middle
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  Speaker 2: East and as used by the Brits and other countries too,
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  Speaker 2: including Australia. I've landed there in a raft plane myself
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  Speaker 2: even stayed overnight in our military quarters on that base
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  Speaker 2: back in the Iraq War days when nobody was allowed
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  Speaker 2: to say which country this base was in.
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  Speaker 1: Now Qatar was warned about.
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  Speaker 2: This attack and the missiles were thwarted, of course, but
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  Speaker 2: crucially in my view, was Donald Trump's restrained response. Where
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  Speaker 2: some might have expected him to rain held down on Iran,
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  Speaker 2: the President took to social media to say Iran has
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  Speaker 2: gotten it all out of their system and there will
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  Speaker 2: hopefully be no further hate. This showed in incredible forbearance,
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  Speaker 2: even wisdom if you're allowed to use that word about
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and soon enough the President was again changing
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  Speaker 2: the world via social media. Congratulations to everyone, he posted,
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  Speaker 2: declaring a complete and total ceasefire agreed by Iran and
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  Speaker 2: Israel to start six hours later. He said if it
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  Speaker 2: worked out, he wanted to congratulate both countries and finished
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  Speaker 2: with God bless Israel, God bless Iram, God blessed the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East, God bless the United States of America, and
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  Speaker 2: God bless the world. How Trumpian can you get? And
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  Speaker 2: how useful for the world. Again, Let's hope there are
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  Speaker 2: no further setbacks, no more attacks. Israel hit many crucial
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  Speaker 2: Iranian government facilities overnight, reportedly including a prison for political
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  Speaker 2: dissidents and the Morality Police building where twenty two year
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  Speaker 2: old Marsha Amini was taken into custody for incorrect words
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  Speaker 2: airing of a veil three years ago and then died
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  Speaker 2: in custody. It sparked brave protests in Iran, but they
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  Speaker 2: were brutally suppressed and they got too little response from
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  Speaker 2: Western countries. So as we go to air tonight, there
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  Speaker 2: is a tentative ceasefire in place, and Trump is claiming
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  Speaker 2: stunning success from his military intervention. Thanks to him and
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  Speaker 2: Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Iran's nuclear weapons program has
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  Speaker 2: either been destroyed or set back many years. Its missile
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  Speaker 2: and air defenses have been decimated, as has its military leadership,
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  Speaker 2: and its terrorist proxies to Israel's south and north have
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  Speaker 2: been all but wiped out. So Israel is safer, the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East is more stable, and the world is safer.
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  Speaker 2: Despite Trump's critics hyperventilating about World War iree, this was
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  Speaker 2: always the likely outcome of Trump's target military action. The
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  Speaker 2: world is a safer place because of this action, and
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  Speaker 2: because of that, I think we'll see some pleasing developments
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  Speaker 2: in days and weeks to come. Yeah, it's pleasing to
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  Speaker 2: see these developments just days later now. As you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've never been an uncritical fan of Donald Trump's there's
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  Speaker 2: always been plenty to criticize with him, but this has
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  Speaker 2: been a timely, limited and devastating US military intervention. Clearly,
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  Speaker 2: it's been worthwhile just to get rid of the Iranian
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  Speaker 2: nuclear program, but the dividend in ongoing peace and security
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  Speaker 2: could be huge. It's not guaranteed, but it could be
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  Speaker 2: progress of historic proportions. Maybe Trump could get a Nobel
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  Speaker 2: Peace Prize for actually helping to deliver peace, to match
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  Speaker 2: the one Barack Obama got just for being elected. There
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  Speaker 2: is cause for optimism, to be sure, but we need
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  Speaker 2: to remember that Iran is run by religious zealots, by
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  Speaker 2: Islam's extremists the apocalyptic kind, So our optimism does need
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  Speaker 2: to be tempered. Now remember this, None of this good
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  Speaker 2: news would have happened if anyone listened to our government,
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  Speaker 2: none of it. Anthony Albanisi and Penny Wong have spent
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  Speaker 2: the past twenty months since the October the seventh atrocities
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  Speaker 2: calling for.
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  Speaker 1: Ceasefires and dialogues.
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  Speaker 2: I understand the Prime Minister hasn't even taken the time
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  Speaker 2: to watch video evidence of what happened on October the seventh.
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  Speaker 1: His office won't answer our questions on this, but.
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  Speaker 2: If he hasn't how heartless, how ignorant, and how derelict
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  Speaker 2: in his duty to not bear witness to the reality
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  Speaker 2: at the heart of all this. I mean, he claims
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  Speaker 2: to run a country and have a view. It's just astonishing. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: If Albanezi and Wang had their way, Humas would still
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  Speaker 2: run with Yaya Sinwar still in charge, Hesbala would still
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  Speaker 2: be firing ten thousand rockets at Israel, Iran would be
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  Speaker 2: chipping in two and it would still be proceeding with
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  Speaker 2: its nuclear weapons program. All the crazies would still be
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  Speaker 2: playing their deadly games, because at every stage Albanesi and
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  Speaker 2: Wong have been telling Israel and the US to put
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  Speaker 2: their weapons down and stop fighting these monsters. All they've
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  Speaker 2: ever said is cease fire, no matter what the enemies
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  Speaker 2: of Israel and freedom do. Yet, today, incredibly, when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to what's unfolded in Iran, ALBANIZI had.
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  Speaker 1: This to say.
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  Speaker 3: We have made it very clear in multiple press conferences
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  Speaker 3: for some time now, including last week on the sideline
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  Speaker 3: of the G seven, that Iran could not be allowed
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  Speaker 3: to get a nuclear weapon, and both myself and the
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  Speaker 3: Foreign Minister were very clear about that.
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  Speaker 2: That is just not true. That's one of the things
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  Speaker 2: we've been wanting him to say. Albanezie and Wong have
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  Speaker 2: always pussy footed around that issue, talking about their concerns
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  Speaker 2: and the like, even with US military action being openly canvassed.
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  Speaker 2: This is as strong as Albo would put it last
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  Speaker 2: week Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I've expressed before our concern about Iran gaining
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  Speaker 3: the capacity of nuclear weapons as something there's a threat
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  Speaker 3: to security in the region. But we, along with other
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  Speaker 3: like minded countries, do want to see that priority on
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  Speaker 3: dialogue and diplomacy.
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  Speaker 2: That's no demand to stop them getting nuclear weapons. That's
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  Speaker 2: concerns and references again to dialogue and diplomacy. No stern
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  Speaker 2: words for Iran, no calls for a run to abandon
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  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons, which is what he now pretends he said.
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  Speaker 2: All he had was weasel words as ever, so spineless,
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  Speaker 2: so unwilling to support Israel or the US, and even
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  Speaker 2: after the US acted, Albanez he took more than twenty
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  Speaker 2: four hours, as you know, to offer his merely mouthed support.
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  Speaker 3: Look, Kieran, there are some in the media who have
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  Speaker 3: a criticism of anything that the Labor government does. What
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  Speaker 3: my government does is act in an orderly coherent way,
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  Speaker 3: and we were very clear for some period of time
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  Speaker 3: that Iran could not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 3: We called for Iran to come to the table to
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  Speaker 3: ensure that the United States wouldn't have to take the
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  Speaker 3: action which they did, the action that they took. We
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  Speaker 3: made clear that we supported action that would ensure that
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  Speaker 3: Irandi couldn't gain that nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 2: Just hopeless and hopeless pretense about what he's actually said.
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  Speaker 1: No wonder Trump has no time for him, No wonder
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  Speaker 1: our alliance.
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  Speaker 2: Relationship is in the worst situation for fifty years. Albanez,
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  Speaker 2: he says there's no need for him to go to
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  Speaker 2: the NATO summit in Europe this week to try again
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  Speaker 2: to meet the US President.
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  Speaker 3: I've been to the United States on five separate occasions
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  Speaker 3: Karen as Prime Minister, and I do note that the
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  Speaker 3: same people who constantly say I should do more international
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  Speaker 3: travel every time I do, are critical of it as well.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I've never been too critical of Albow's travel, PM's need
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  Speaker 2: to travel, But I'm glad Albo is not going to
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  Speaker 2: NATO because he's got absolutely nothing useful to say. What's
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  Speaker 2: the point of alban easy meeting with any national leaders,
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  Speaker 2: because even when he turns up, he's the Prime minister
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  Speaker 2: who wasn't there. Let's go to Israel now and catch
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  Speaker 2: up with Sophie Ellsworth and News Corp correspondent of course
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  Speaker 2: in Sky News contributed. Great to talk to you again,
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  Speaker 2: Sophie on this momentous day.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we've just had the news.
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  Speaker 2: That Benjamin Netanya, who has formerly agreed to the ceasefire,
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  Speaker 2: so we now have the US, Iran and Israel all
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  Speaker 2: publicly and formally committing to the ceasefire. Tell us about
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  Speaker 2: what's been unfolding them.
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  Speaker 4: What was really interesting, Chris, because we woke up early
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  Speaker 4: this morning, just after five am local time. We're seven
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  Speaker 4: hours behind here in Israel to the Eastern States in Australia,
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  Speaker 4: and we woke up to the sirens alerts on our phone, Chris.
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  Speaker 4: They just kept on coming. We ran down to the
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  Speaker 4: bunkers in the safe room in the hotel. People all
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  Speaker 4: over the country running to make sure they were safe.
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  Speaker 4: But the alarms just kept coming and coming, and the
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  Speaker 4: missile attacks kept coming and coming. We were down underneath
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  Speaker 4: the hotel for at least an hour, which is quite unusual.
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  Speaker 5: Usually you have one.
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  Speaker 4: Barrage of missiles come and then you know, you wait
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  Speaker 4: for them to pass or hit and then you know
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  Speaker 4: you told it's safe to go. But today they just
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  Speaker 4: kept on going. Then there's many nervous people I spoke
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  Speaker 4: to where I'm staying, Chris, including Australians who are desperately
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  Speaker 4: trying to get out. It's touch and gos whether they
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  Speaker 4: can meet their connecting buses. A raph flight leaving tele
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  Speaker 4: Aviv this morning was due to so this stuff is all.
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  Speaker 5: You know, up in the air pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 4: But since the ceasefire has been announced and those missile
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  Speaker 4: strikes have stopped, there is a sense of relief on
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  Speaker 4: the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The astounding thing was, of course, that these missile attacks
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  Speaker 2: were being made by Iranda in the last hour, effectively
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  Speaker 2: before the ceasefire was kicking in, so it was an
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  Speaker 2: extraordinary provocation. We know that at least four Israelis have
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  Speaker 2: been killed by these attacks, and apart.
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  Speaker 1: From all of the drama on the ground that you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, there were fears that this could kai bosh
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  Speaker 2: the ceasefire. So it's a great relief to hear just
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  Speaker 2: in the last twenty minutes that Benjamin Netanyahu has despite
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  Speaker 2: that provocation, agreed at this chance to grab peace and
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  Speaker 2: stop firing. So that must give people a lot of
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  Speaker 2: encouragement there are both to fly in and out of
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  Speaker 2: the country and to get on with life.
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  Speaker 4: It does, indeed, Chris, but there's no doubt, you know,
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  Speaker 4: just talking to people here on the ground, we were
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  Speaker 4: discussing like, is this ceasefire going to happen.
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  Speaker 5: It's seemed up in the air.
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  Speaker 4: When we were down in a hotel bunker, you know,
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  Speaker 4: getting these alerts, you get up off your seat, you'd
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  Speaker 4: be told it was safe to go, and then within
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  Speaker 4: moments you've got another another alert.
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  Speaker 5: On your phone.
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  Speaker 4: So you were just basically staying put where you are.
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  Speaker 4: But yes, there is that sense of relief. I'm just here, Chris,
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  Speaker 4: obviously in Israel and out in front of the kibbutz,
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  Speaker 4: and you can see behind me there's a sign here
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  Speaker 4: that's a message to the.
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  Speaker 5: Government, what about the hostages.
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  Speaker 4: We mustn't forget the hostages that are still captured, are
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  Speaker 4: captive in Gaza. So there also is that important part
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  Speaker 4: of this whole entire conflict that the hostages must not
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  Speaker 4: be forgotten. So there's a lot of anxiety. There's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of stress on the ground. There's some relief people
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  Speaker 4: are getting out, but Chris, for many Israelis talking to them,
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  Speaker 4: they're living with this quite normally.
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  Speaker 5: They're used to this.
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  Speaker 1: Of us.
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  Speaker 5: Some of them today, are you stressed?
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  Speaker 4: They're quite relaxed, actually, which is nice and calming, because
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the tourists and people who are not
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  Speaker 4: from here, who are here have.
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  Speaker 5: Become quite stressed.
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  Speaker 4: Many people have become quite stressed.
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  Speaker 2: And as you say, Sophie, and as I experienced, and
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  Speaker 2: I will say that the hostage situation still traumatizes the
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  Speaker 2: whole nation, and the focus will remain on those hostages
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  Speaker 2: in Gaza. Thanks so much for joining us again, Sophie.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciated lately. Sophie Elsworth the in Israel all over. It's
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  Speaker 2: fantastic reporting from the scene, and she mentions the hostages.
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  Speaker 2: More dead hostages have been retrieved by the IDF in
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  Speaker 2: the past twenty four hours. Would be making more of
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  Speaker 2: this if we weren't so focused on the ceasefire and
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  Speaker 2: what's going on there. But there are twenty live hostages
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  Speaker 2: still being held by Hamas in Gaza, along with more
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  Speaker 2: than about thirty bodies of hostages and there'll be an
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  Speaker 2: increased focus on getting them out of Gaza as soon
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  Speaker 2: as possible. Let's catch up with Michael Schubridge now from
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  Speaker 2: Strategic Analysis Australia, joining US live from Camber to talk
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  Speaker 2: about the implications here again. Really appreciate your time again, Michael,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to start with something. I'm never going
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  Speaker 2: to cut any slack to the mad Mullers who run
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  Speaker 2: Iran and the way that they've been targeting civilians in Israel.
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  Speaker 2: But what I want to talk about is before we
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  Speaker 2: get into the ramifications, is the way that the Iranians
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  Speaker 2: fired missiles at a US base in Doha at the
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  Speaker 2: start of the day. Thankfully most of those missiles knocked
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  Speaker 2: out of the sky and no damage done. But particularly
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  Speaker 2: in Israel today, the last hours before the ceasefire kicks
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  Speaker 2: in more missiles coming in from Iran, at least.
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  Speaker 1: Four people killed.
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  Speaker 2: Yet both Benjamin Ett and Yahu and Donald Trump have
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  Speaker 2: soaked up if you like, those final attacks from Iran,
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  Speaker 2: those last provocations, and said there'll be no response. They're
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  Speaker 2: embracing the ceasefire. That's very encouraging, isn't it.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, Chris, absolutely, and really this is how ceasefires begin,
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  Speaker 6: each side wants to take it right to the last minute.
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  Speaker 6: We saw that several times in the history of conflict.
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  Speaker 6: In World War II, for example, they'd have a temporary truce,
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  Speaker 6: but they'd keep firing at each other right up until
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  Speaker 6: the clock struck, whatever tim it was.
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  Speaker 1: This is how the ceasefire.
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  Speaker 6: Between Israel and has Bolla started back in November last
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  Speaker 6: year and was meant to be a sixty days ceasefire.
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  Speaker 6: It's lasted despite a few breaches along the way since then,
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  Speaker 6: and we should expect that here.
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  Speaker 2: So what do we expect to see then in coming days,
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  Speaker 2: As you say, you'll be on the lookout for breaches.
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  Speaker 2: There will be a lot of surveillance, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: concern in the region. But what has to happen to
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  Speaker 2: actually see this embedded and formalized for a longer term period.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think the first thing is, Chris, we've got
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  Speaker 6: to recognize something you pretty much said in your earlier
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  Speaker 6: part of the program. Israeli and US military power has
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  Speaker 6: created this environment where now finally those three words that
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  Speaker 6: the government, our government has been chanting for two years
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  Speaker 6: into the breeze now makes some kind of sense. So
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  Speaker 6: military power Israeli and US military power has created the
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  Speaker 6: conditions for diplomacy and de escalation, but without that use
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  Speaker 6: of military power, we wouldn't have this environment now. And
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  Speaker 6: the details of the ceasefire are important, as does the
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  Speaker 6: IAEA get let back into Iran to find where that
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  Speaker 6: enriched uranium is and what other facilities and programs the
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  Speaker 6: Iranians have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's absolutely where some of these conditions need to
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  Speaker 2: be ironed out. As you say, you want the International
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  Speaker 2: Atomic Energy Agency in there to verify.
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  Speaker 1: You also want some.
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  Speaker 2: Commitments from Iran when it comes to sponsoring terrorism in
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  Speaker 2: the region and firing missiles, So we'll see what unfolds there.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to get your thoughts finally.
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  Speaker 2: Though, Michael, on why the Iranian regime has accepted this
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  Speaker 2: cease fire. We know how their military capabilities have been
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  Speaker 2: severely depleted, but there is there any sense that the
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  Speaker 2: reg regime itself may have felt under threat within the
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  Speaker 2: borders of Iran.
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  Speaker 1: I think so, Chris.
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  Speaker 6: I think the regimes authority and power has been so
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  Speaker 6: badly damaged by the Israelis and also now by the Americans,
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  Speaker 6: that the regime made the decision for its own preservation
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  Speaker 6: and future, it needed this cease fire. Now they're telling
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  Speaker 6: their people this ceasefire was imposed by Iran on the
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  Speaker 6: Israelis and the Americans because of incredible Iranian military power
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  Speaker 6: and success. But I think the knowledge from the wider
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  Speaker 6: world will let the population there know that's compressively wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Great stuff, Michael, thanks so much for joining us. Michael
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  Speaker 2: Schubridge their Live from canber With that analysis, we've got
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  Speaker 2: to take a break. On the other side, we'll have
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  Speaker 2: more on what's happening inside Iran and what the future
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  Speaker 2: is for the Iranian people. I'll catch up with Iranian
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  Speaker 2: brit lawyer and activists Elka Lebon. So let's look at
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  Speaker 2: the ramifications of the latest Middle East developments for the
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  Speaker 2: people of Iran and for the Islamist extremist regime headquartered
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  Speaker 2: in Tehran. As you know, Donald Trump announced the looming
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  Speaker 2: ceasefire on social media, congratulating everyone and offering blessings to everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Another post that changed the world in a moment.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Helka Lebon is an Iranian brit lawyer who's in contact
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: with family in Iran and is an activist for the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Iranian people. Elica lives in California and I asked her
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: about the response in the US.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it's a very difficult one. It's a very
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: difficult one because there's so many mixed emotions happening, especially
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: amongst the people inside Iran right now. You know, I
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: don't think that Iranians anticipated that this was going to
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: be a war that was going to liberate them. Nobody
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: expected that this was a war for regime change by
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: any means. However, I do think there was a sense
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: of optimism that their liberation or a regime change would
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: be incidental to this war. I think a lot of
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: Iranians expected that once these you know, IRGC facilities were struck,
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: the regime leaders were targeted, the nuclear facilities were down,
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: that the regime would sort of be incrementally weakened, which
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: would lead to their own internal regime change. So I
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: think right now, I think it's just a time of confusion.
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: What does this mean? Does this mean that the regime
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: is going to stay in power? Because if it does
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: stay in power, that's going to mean a serious, serious
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: crackdown on the Iranian people. And they've already started executing
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: people for allegedly collaborating with Israel, which basically just means
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: supporting the strikes. So it's actually very scary if the
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: regime does remain in power.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Well, this is.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Why I wanted to talk to you, because it's all
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: about the Iranian people and what's happening there.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder though, perhaps, apart.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: From, of course the military action taking out so many
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: key installations of the Iranian regime, do you think perhaps
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the Ayatala and the Mullers have opted for the cease
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: fire as a way of preserving their regime. Perhaps they're
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: worrying about the backlash from the Iranian population.
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, And I think what this proves more than anything,
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: which is what the Iranian people I've always known, which
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: is this is just a regime of puffery.
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: This is just a regime that wants.
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: To puff its chest and prove, you know, to tell
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: the world that it's, you know, the big bad wolf,
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: and death to America and death to Israel and death
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: to everybody. They aren't doing it for anybody except for
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: their fanatical followers at home to believe there's some legitimacy
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: in their fight against Western imperialism. They don't mean it,
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: and they've never meant it, and so in these instances,
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: you find out that this really was a bluff the
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: whole time, because when given the opportunity to lay down
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: the weapons and end the war, they were quick to
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: take it because they want to hold on to power
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: more than anything else.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I want to show you some of what was reported
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: from Tyrane by CNN just yesterday and get your take
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: on it. This is supposedly a protest in the streets
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: of Tyrane in support of the regime.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Have a look, Mama.
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: Punched the United States and Israel in the mouth. He says, Trump,
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: you are threatening my leader. This woman says, don't you
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: know my nation believes death is sweeter than honeyman. What
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: do you have Israel? He says, you have nothing. You
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: are occupiers, unreligious, you're killing people, killing women, you kill everyone.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: You're terrorists, erka lebon.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Could that be a legitimate, organic protest in the streets
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: of Tyran or would that have.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Been something staged by the leaders?
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's really hard not to laugh.
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: It's honestly hard not to laugh that anybody thinks that
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: that is even a little bit legitimate. We actually have
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: surveys that come out of Iran, like the Gammon Survey
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: that shows that at least eighty one percent of Iranians
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: are opposed to this regime, four percent are onshore, and
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: it's less than fifteen percent that are sort of on
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: the regime side. Of that fifteen percent, you're looking at
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: about maybe one percent that are these types of fanatical supporters.
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: And I think it's very very.
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: Telling about the fact that the Western media is falling
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: over themselves to find these fanatical one percent, almost as if,
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: you know, finding a protest by neo Nazis that are
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: rejected by all of society except not so much these days,
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: and saying that this is representative of the United States population.
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's absolutely absurd.
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: Meanwhile, when these organic womanlife freedom uprisings that were happening
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: that reflected ninety percent of Iranian people, including ninety nine
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: percent in the diaspora, the media didn't seem to want to,
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: you know, show those protests.
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: When we are you know.
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: Forced to answer this question, well, you say that Iranians
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: are these democracy loving.
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: Freedom loving people, where are their protests? And I say
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: they're there, They've been there for the past few years.
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: They're just the media is not showing them.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: And the media is just selectively showing you these one
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: percent of rejected fanatics that nobody in Iranian society takes seriously.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to also point out that we
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: see in Western countries unbelievable, even in Australia, they are
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: a protests of people supposedly supporting.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: The Iranian regime. Now, a lot of these.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Are the people who have been protesting in favor of
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Palestine or Palestinian aspirations and against Israel, and now they've.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Switched the legions to Iran as well.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: But there are other people of the Iranian diaspora who
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: have something else to say. Here is one, but a
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: smaller group supported the US action.
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: They are using our civilian Iranian civilian people as a
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: shield to partake that dam ayatolat now.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I said last night, they're given the so many people
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: who have left Iran have done so to flee the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Islamist extremist regime, that those views would reflect the great
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: majority of the Iranian diaspora around the world.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Is that the case give me a sense of that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, And the same survey shows that ninety nine percent
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: of Iranians in the diaspora are opposed to the Islamic Republic,
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: which is why I rounded it up to about ninety
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: percent of all Iranians in the entire world that are
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: against this regime. And if you look at these protests
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: that are in New York, that are in Germany, where
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: they are, you know, holding up this bloody flag of
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: the Islamic Republic and wearing their kafirs, not a single
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: person in that crowd, not one of them is Iranian.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: But if you go to the protest like the one
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: that I just came back from, of the Iranian this
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: is exactly what I wanted to say. If you want
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: to know where the all the Iranians are that are
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: absent in the Hands Off the Islamic Republic protests.
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: They're all at the Free Iran from the Islamic Republic protests.
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: And it's so so bizarre that not a single human
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: rights activist, not a single humanitarian, not a single social
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: justice warrior, is at the protest where we're saying hands
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: off the Iranian people. They're all at the protest that
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: says hands off the Islamic Republic.
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: What is happening?
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: It is bizarre, especially the Iranian women. Of course, thanks
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: for talking to us.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Again, Elka.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: It's great to hear you, and congratulations on your continuing
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: for freedom in Iran.
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: Thank you so much, best, thank you.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where are the feminists in the West standing up
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: for the rights of Iranian women?
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Where are they?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Or the rights of Garsan women for that matter, Where
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: are they? They're all silent. Let's catch up with Tim
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Blair from the Daily Telegraph. Joins as from the wilds
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: of western Victoria.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, mate. I love your column.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: You've done again.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I love the way Timmy just pick out these glaring
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: examples of hypocrisy and throw them starkly in our face.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: You've got onto the Greens now they've finally found a
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: form of nuclear energy they like. They opposed nuclear energy
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: for Australia to power our fridges and televisions, but they
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: support the nuclear weapons program of Iran.
• 27:46
  Speaker 11: They're incredible. I mean, you know, these are people who
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: are screaming and the labor comrades as well, screaming about
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: the terrible dangers of incredibly safe nuclear energy. Nuclear was
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: the worst thing will give us, you know, Simpson style
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: three eyed fish, for God's sake, would destroy all the
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: coastlines where these things a bit. But then when Iran
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: gets onto a bit of uranium and riching, which is
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: obviously a process you've got to go through to get
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: to weapons grade uranium. They're like, well, let them be,
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: you know, no harm, no foul. And this is the
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: shifting sands on which our friends on the left make
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: their base.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Just amazing.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to read a quote here from the Green
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Senator David Schubridge, who incredibly is the brother of Michael
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Schubridge I had on earlier in the show, and David
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Schubridge says, the world must now isolate the US and
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Israel and come together through peace and diplomacy to end
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: this war and support a pathway that protects the people
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: of Iran. Protecting the people of Iran, they're the ones
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: that need liberating.
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean your previous guest could obviously or did
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: obviously expand on that point. It's incredible these people think
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: always in this ridiculous kind of you know, a pressor
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: victim binary. It always has people who are suffering under impression,
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: under oppression, as you know, as the victims of the West,
• 29:09
  Speaker 11: not of their own totalitarian governments. It's an third way
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: to look at things. And we see it over and
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: over again, from Gaza all the way now just over
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: the way to Tehran. It's it's ridiculous way of formulating it,
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: and one that's also be shown by how many people
• 29:25
  Speaker 11: escape from those regimes to the evil West.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's where they head to the evil West Australia,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: the United States and the UK. I want to go
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: to the leftist media in Australia now, and especially the
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: taxpayer funded media. The ABC always finds a way to
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: argue against Australia's interests and in favor of the socialist
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: left's interests. Have a listened to these two chatting about
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Albanese's handling of all.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: This for Australia. Formerly Israel's the good guys.
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: He runs the bad guys despite the criticism Australia has.
• 29:56
  Speaker 12: So this is me sort of being a ventriloicus for
• 29:58
  Speaker 12: the government. We don't love it. We hope it's limit,
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: we hope it's contained. We'll cut this one. We'll say sure, okay,
• 30:04
  Speaker 12: we're with you. And that's the attitude that I reckon
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: Anthony Albanezi and his National Security Committee would have taken.
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: I think the Prime Minister does want to distance himself
• 30:12
  Speaker 13: very actively from the idea that he's a player in
• 30:14
  Speaker 13: the Middle East.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: We're not a main player. We're not a main player. Unbelievable.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: So everything Albo says is right on this stuff.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I love the confession from Raphael Epstein that he's just
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: a ventolochist for the government.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: But the whole point here, too is everything Albonizi.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: And Wong have said on this issue now for twenty
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: months has been proven incorrect. None of the progress we've
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: seen in getting rid of terrorists and the threat of
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons from a run, none of that would have
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: happened if anybody listened to Albo and Wong.
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, But and the way they're presenting this, our ABIs
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: see pals is as a positive because it's what labor's doing. Yeah,
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: it's all o no, no, no, no, don't everyone get hasty.
• 30:55
  Speaker 11: It's still all good. It's still good. I mean, if
• 30:58
  Speaker 11: you took those two microphones away from those two chuckleheads,
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: that's just a couple of people talking in Balmain. You know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 11: there's no deeper knowledge to it. There's no deeper curiosity.
• 31:09
  Speaker 11: There's certainly no self criticism or self awareness of this situation.
• 31:12
  Speaker 11: It's just a couple of very smug Western people talking
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: as smug Western people do. Again, we get back to
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: this way of always looking at the oppressor and the victim.
• 31:22
  Speaker 11: Once they can't get outside of that framework that they've
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: probably had since the first year of university, and I
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: don't think they're ever going to escape it at this point.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very very perceptive criticism. There's no depth or analysis,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: no free thinking. It's just those tripe points, just very
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: quickly before we wonder what before we go. If you're
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: wondering what former President Joe Biden might have done in
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: this situation, He's been captured by a photographer on the
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: train down to Washington in the quiet car, asking for
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: more ice cream. Apparently all he wants in the world
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: is ice cream.
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: If you're ride on any public transport in the US,
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: you'll generally find elderly people asking for ice cream. It's
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: you know, it's sad. Something must be done about to
• 32:08
  Speaker 11: help them. And there's old Joe. He's there. He's found Some.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Is the Chauncey Gardener of American politics. Joe Biden, thanks
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: for joining us, Tim. We'll catch up with you again
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: later in the week. Now we better get to a
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: break on the other side.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Of the break, we're going to go back to Israel
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: and get some expert analysis from Jerusalem. Also going to
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: cross to the States and catch up with Kristen Tate
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: to find out why the Democrats will have short memories
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: when it comes to this issue. Now, if you were
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: watching the program last night, you would have seen the
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: remarkable composure under intense pressure of Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell. Here she is live to where she was
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: talking to us when the alarm went off and they
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: had to go and find a bomb shelter.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Near where they were doing this interview and shelter for
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a while.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to update you they were in
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: that bomb shelter for about thirty minutes because there were
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: two incoming missiles on that occasion and they were both intercepted,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: so neither of those missiles did any damage or caused
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: any casualties in Israel. But as you know today, there
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: have been Israel's from Iran hitting in Israel in Bersheba,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: south of Jerusalem, just before the ceasefire officially kicked in.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: At least four people have been killed.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And there's some more disturbing news out of Israel as
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: we speak, I want to go to Gerald Steinberg.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: We've caught up with him plenty of times.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: He's the professor of politics at Bar Alan University. Good
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: to talk to you again, Gerald. We're here to talk
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: about good news. But as we speak, I believe there
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: are more missile alerts, particularly in the north of Israel,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: been occurring over just the past five or six minutes.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Tell us if you know anything about that, but there
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: must be a lot of tension about whether this ceasefire
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: can hold.
• 33:49
  Speaker 14: Chris, I'm in Jerusalem and I'm looking at exactly the
• 33:52
  Speaker 14: same image that you are, the same reports from the ADF.
• 33:55
  Speaker 14: There are at least one and maybe two confirmed missiles
• 33:58
  Speaker 14: strikes at the north of Israel. They might be a
• 34:01
  Speaker 14: couple of people in Iran who decided on their own
• 34:04
  Speaker 14: people members of the Republican Guard or the Iranian military
• 34:09
  Speaker 14: who decided to launch their communications system is definitely not intact.
• 34:15
  Speaker 14: So we're going to probably wait and see what happens.
• 34:17
  Speaker 14: I don't think those two missiles did any damage. But
• 34:20
  Speaker 14: if this continues, of course, then the ceasefire is off
• 34:22
  Speaker 14: and we're back to war. I think President Trump is
• 34:25
  Speaker 14: very clear that if Iran violates the ceasefire in the
• 34:29
  Speaker 14: US is going to get involved if necessary, so I
• 34:31
  Speaker 14: think we have to wait and see. I think the
• 34:33
  Speaker 14: general view of the general mood in Israel now is Okay,
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: we won this war. This is a big victory. Iran
• 34:40
  Speaker 14: has devastated. The regime may not survive, so we're going
• 34:43
  Speaker 14: to give it a chance to see if we can
• 34:45
  Speaker 14: get a few few days without having to go at
• 34:47
  Speaker 14: the shelters.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a good point, you might because their military
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: apparatus has been so damaged so poorly. Perhaps there are
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: parts of the Iranian army firing missiles.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: You don't even know there's a ceasefire in place yet.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I gather from the Israeli Defense Force tweets that they
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: know exactly where the missiles are coming from, that these
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: are from Iran. They're not a couple of loose he
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Bala Terrists in Lebanon letting fire.
• 35:14
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 14: I saw the same reports, and I think that makes sense.
• 35:16
  Speaker 14: I think the Israeli military is still very much keeping
• 35:19
  Speaker 14: an eye on everything that happens out of Iran, as
• 35:21
  Speaker 14: they also at e Lebanon and watch that his Valel
• 35:24
  Speaker 14: very carefully ready to strike if necessary. So I think
• 35:27
  Speaker 14: We're going to wait and see what happens with this
• 35:29
  Speaker 14: particular launch, but overall, we spent about two hours this
• 35:34
  Speaker 14: morning from five am to seven am in shelters. I
• 35:37
  Speaker 14: saw some of the missiles fly over, one of them
• 35:39
  Speaker 14: as you see in your image of the picture of Abersheva,
• 35:43
  Speaker 14: where a very devastating missile hit and a residential area.
• 35:47
  Speaker 14: You see. These are war crimes. And we hear a
• 35:49
  Speaker 14: lot of these politicians in Europe and elsewhere are talking
• 35:51
  Speaker 14: about how they have to bring Israel to account. We've
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: heard that for two years, all these other allegations, but
• 35:57
  Speaker 14: these are very blatant war crimes. The Iranian shot at civilians.
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: They killed four people we know were killed in this
• 36:04
  Speaker 14: particular strike. You can see the devastation. Have just one
• 36:07
  Speaker 14: Iranian missile hit.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Just briefly, everybody's going to watch, sorry, just briefly, because
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: we're almost out of time.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: How historic is the opportunity here though, If the Peace five.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Can hold, the cease fire can hold, we're looking.
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: At a different Middle East completely. For the last since
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: nineteen seventy nine, so that's forty six years, we've seen
• 36:26
  Speaker 14: the Iranian militia, the Iranian regime, the Ayatolas, the fanatic
• 36:31
  Speaker 14: Islamic regime building up its forces and chanting and really
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: acting on death to Israel, destroy the United States. We've
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: seen that, and now that's gone. They may have a
• 36:41
  Speaker 14: few missiles left, they don't have any more nuclear facilities
• 36:44
  Speaker 14: they can activate. It's not clear that the regime's going
• 36:46
  Speaker 14: to survive. We're looking at a very different Middle East,
• 36:49
  Speaker 14: and perhaps also the rest of the world, including the
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: Australian government others who've been so much on the other
• 36:55
  Speaker 14: side in terms of their rhetoric, their slogans very much
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: focusing on attacking it as well, can realize this is
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  Speaker 14: an opportunity to really bring about a very different world
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  Speaker 14: and a much more successful world where economics, economic development
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  Speaker 14: replace billions that were spent on training to get nuclear
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  Speaker 14: weapons and over five thousand missiles.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us again, Gerald, Stay safe.
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  Speaker 2: Gerald Steinberg, the professor of politics at Babila University, joining
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  Speaker 2: us again live from Jerusalem.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier, US President Donald Trump announced all
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: today's momentous events on social media, writing congratulations to everyone.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: It's been fully agreed between Israel and Iran that there
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  Speaker 2: will be.
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  Speaker 1: A complete and total cease fire on the assumption everything
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  Speaker 1: works as it should.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to congratulate both countries on having the stamina, courage,
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  Speaker 2: and intelligence to end what should be called the.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve Day War.
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  Speaker 2: I asked US analyst Christen Tate about reaction in America.
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  Speaker 15: Yes, well, he announced a full seas fire between the
• 37:55
  Speaker 15: US and Iran and Israel in Iran, and it looks
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  Speaker 15: like those who have been panicking about the.
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  Speaker 5: Possibility of World War three, we're wrong.
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  Speaker 15: The reaction here in the US is largely a positive one.
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  Speaker 15: It appears that we, thankfully will not be getting bogged
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  Speaker 15: down in some long regime change or some decades long
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  Speaker 15: conflict in the Middle East. So you know, we have
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  Speaker 15: taken out their nuclear program largely hopefully, but we also
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  Speaker 15: will not be getting bogged down, hopefully again and some
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  Speaker 15: long drawn out conflict.
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  Speaker 5: So it's kind of a great outcome here.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as this news was breaking in the US, the
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Vice President J. D. Vance was sitting down for an interview,
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  Speaker 2: remembering he's a marine who's served in a rock before.
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  Speaker 1: Haven't looked at his reaction.
• 38:43
  Speaker 16: He's been working the phones constantly, frankly before the Twelve
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  Speaker 16: Day War started, but certainly over the past twelve days.
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  Speaker 16: The President's been extremely clear about America's national objective here.
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  Speaker 16: It is to create a world where a Ran cannot
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  Speaker 16: build a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the Vice president there this and talking about the
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: President's interests. Of course, these efforts, of course, But Kristin.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I just want to go back a bit and recount
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: how this is unfolded.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, firstly, on the weekend there was Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: taking the military action that so many in the world,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: in the world were hoping for, many others worried about.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: But here's the president.
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  Speaker 10: Then these strikes were a spectacular military success. Iran's key
• 39:26
  Speaker 10: nuclear and Richmond facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.
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  Speaker 2: Now, many of us, Kristin myself included here on Sunday
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Night with Paul Murray, thought this would be the trigger
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  Speaker 2: for good news.
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  Speaker 1: Around the world.
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  Speaker 2: This could be a really positive development in world affairs,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: in Middle East security and global security. But the leftists
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: in America didn't think So have a look at them.
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  Speaker 8: Don trumpn who in turn seems.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: To be working hard to pull the entire United States
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  Speaker 5: into war.
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: In a world the.
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  Speaker 14: Only entity that can take this country to war is
• 40:05
  Speaker 14: the US Congress, the president.
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  Speaker 1: Does not have the right.
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  Speaker 17: Meanwhile, Congresswoman Alexandria of Costia Cortez is calling for Trump's impeachment,
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  Speaker 17: saying this quote, he has impulsively risked launching war that
• 40:18
  Speaker 17: may ensue for generations. It is absolutely and clearly grounds
• 40:21
  Speaker 17: for impeachment.
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  Speaker 2: Good Lord Kristen, Now, you like me, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be cautious since early days. This won't be the end
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: of the matter once and for all. But these people
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: were just so wrong their comments. Look called only twenty
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: four hours on.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 40:40
  Speaker 15: No matter what Trump does, the left and the Democrats
• 40:43
  Speaker 15: will try to portray him as a dictator, boogeyman.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: This is just more of that. And look, I want
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: to be very clear.
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  Speaker 15: I am one of the Americans who voted for Trump
• 40:53
  Speaker 15: because I don't want any more forever worse. Anybody who's
• 40:56
  Speaker 15: under the age of forty living in this country.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Has almost for their whole life lives.
• 41:02
  Speaker 15: Seen this country involved in nation building and wars in
• 41:06
  Speaker 15: the Middle East, where you don't want that anymore. But
• 41:09
  Speaker 15: the situation became very clear when Iran retaliated and.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Very little damage was done.
• 41:14
  Speaker 15: No Americans were killed, no Americans were harmed, the US
• 41:18
  Speaker 15: obliterated their nuclear program, and now to save face, they
• 41:22
  Speaker 15: basically put off a glorified fireworks show. It was very
• 41:26
  Speaker 15: weak and right now it is not looking like this
• 41:28
  Speaker 15: is going to escalate any further. So these cries from
• 41:32
  Speaker 15: the left about World War three and all of this,
• 41:34
  Speaker 15: it's just not very compelling.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And just to remind full them and for the
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Trump heighters in Australia. What he seems to have achieved here,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: again it's early dayes, but what we hope he's achieved
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: here is something that successive American presidents have tried to achieve.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Here's a sample of them.
• 41:54
  Speaker 14: As long as I'm President of the United States, Iran
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: will not get a nuclear weapon. A nuclear Iran is
• 41:59
  Speaker 14: a threat to our national security, and it's a threat
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: to Israel's national security.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Here's my message to Iran's leaders.
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  Speaker 18: The United States will never allow you to acquire a
• 42:10
  Speaker 18: nuclear weapon. As president, I will take whatever actions are
• 42:15
  Speaker 18: necessary to protect the United States and our allies.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: We will not allow Ran to acquire a nuclear weapon.
• 42:23
  Speaker 18: What we need to do to ensure that Iran never
• 42:28
  Speaker 18: achieves the ability to be a nuclear power.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: That is one of my highest.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Priorities, So Christian Obama, Biden, Clinton, Harris, I will talk
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the talk, but Donald Trump woop the whoop.
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: Yes, And some Democrats are honest enough to admit that.
• 42:47
  Speaker 15: I was watching MSNBC, which is one of our very
• 42:51
  Speaker 15: left wing cable channels here in the United States, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 15: one of their hosts, who is famously anti Trump, Joe Scarborough,
• 42:58
  Speaker 15: said exactly what you just said in.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: The morning broadcast.
• 43:01
  Speaker 15: He said, any of the last five presidents, and also
• 43:06
  Speaker 15: Hillary Clinton, if she had become president, would have done
• 43:08
  Speaker 15: the same thing that Trump just did. When diplomacy kind
• 43:12
  Speaker 15: of fails, that's really the only option here. But these
• 43:15
  Speaker 15: other Democrats who are out there shrieking, they are just
• 43:18
  Speaker 15: getting desperate because Trump Trump's poll numbers are still very strong.
• 43:23
  Speaker 15: Many Americans do believe the country is moving in the
• 43:26
  Speaker 15: right direction. So all they've got at this point is
• 43:29
  Speaker 15: just pointing at Trump and shrieking about him being a
• 43:32
  Speaker 15: dictator or something.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just pathetic.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: It is pathetic. In Dade, Kristen, and it's always great
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: to catch up with you.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Thanks again, Thank you, Chris.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, coming up after the Brake Panel with Susie and Stephen,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: watch you out they're coming after your guest stives and
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: your guess had is. On Tuesdays we get to pick
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the Brians of sus I Brian columnst with the herold
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Sun that joins us from Melbourne and Steven's a tempo
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: breakfast radio host of two Double C in camera. Great
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: to see you both. I want to start on this
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: gas thing though. The Sydney City Council is the latest
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: organization to come out and say ban gas, water heaters,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: gas stoves, gas fires. The Victorian government's been hot on
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: these two sus either.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: This is just terrible stuff.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: We should be able to fuel our house, however we
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: choose to fuel it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 19: Well, you know, no appliance is safe from the middling
• 44:27
  Speaker 19: of these bureaucrats. I mean, I think people have just
• 44:30
  Speaker 19: absolutely had enough in Victoria. We've had bands and backflips
• 44:33
  Speaker 19: and bands and then backflips. You actually don't know where
• 44:36
  Speaker 19: you stand. It's different for water, for cooking, for heating.
• 44:40
  Speaker 19: It's different if you're a house, a homeowner or a landlord,
• 44:44
  Speaker 19: if it's a new house or an existing house. At
• 44:46
  Speaker 19: the moment, we're now being told that some of these
• 44:48
  Speaker 19: measures we put back to twenty twenty seven You can't
• 44:51
  Speaker 19: buy a new gas water heater, but you can fix
• 44:54
  Speaker 19: an existing one.
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  Speaker 15: J C.
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  Speaker 5: Dog's Breakfast.
• 44:57
  Speaker 19: Just don't try and cook it on the stove, that's
• 44:59
  Speaker 19: all U.
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  Speaker 1: It's so confusing.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Even the premiere putting this stuff in place is confused
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Have a little bit, Justinda Allen.
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  Speaker 13: We are making the move to support homes to go
• 45:10
  Speaker 13: have electric hot water systems from the first of March
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: twenty twenty seven. When from that period on, when those
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: hot water systems reach their end of life, they must
• 45:20
  Speaker 13: be replaced with a gas up, sorry with a must
• 45:22
  Speaker 13: be replaced with an electric hot water system.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, freudy and slipped there now, Steve, and I know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: like me, you're a whiz in the kitchen and you
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: love to cook with gas.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Right, so if we all prefer a gas cook top.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: But the thing that I'm attached to is my gas
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: fire rights. That is my greatest joy in life. Friday
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: night with a glass of red, the fire and the footy. No,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I will march in the streets if someone tries to
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: take that off me.
• 45:49
  Speaker 20: Chris, how dare you have joy in your life? I mean,
• 45:52
  Speaker 20: haven't you learned anything yet? You're not allowed to have
• 45:54
  Speaker 20: joy anymore. But the extraordinary thing about this is in
• 45:57
  Speaker 20: the midst of a housing crisis, what the the cloven
• 46:01
  Speaker 20: More Pollt Bureau in Sydney wants to do is make
• 46:03
  Speaker 20: building housing more expensive by making people get expensive induction cooktops, etc.
• 46:09
  Speaker 20: But on top of that, in the midst of a
• 46:11
  Speaker 20: cost of living crisis, we're going to push the cost
• 46:13
  Speaker 20: of cooking up for everybody because electricity prices keep going
• 46:17
  Speaker 20: through the roof and it's going to be more expensive
• 46:20
  Speaker 20: to boil your eggs on the stove if you don't
• 46:21
  Speaker 20: have a gas stove. I mean, it just doesn't make
• 46:24
  Speaker 20: any sense on a level, from a functionality perspective, from
• 46:29
  Speaker 20: a freedom perspective, from a cost of living perspective, and
• 46:33
  Speaker 20: a cost of housing perspective.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: It's just madness all round.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: We've got more gas than most countries in the world
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: could dream of.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want to use it.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: We want to use electricity, which we haven't got enough
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: off because we won't use gas.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: It's just insane.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Hey, just quickly, I want to get thoughts on this
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: social media band. The e Commissioner Fruity that she is
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: at times now wants to rope in YouTube have a
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: look at what she said to say.
• 46:57
  Speaker 21: I talked about the persuasive design features. I mean, YouTube
• 47:02
  Speaker 21: has mastered those, you know, that opaque algorithms driving users
• 47:08
  Speaker 21: down rabbit holes that they are powerless to fade against.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Now, Susie, I'm all in board with the aim here
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: trying to protect kids, but you're not going to keep
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: kids off YouTube.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: It's like trying to ban television. Well, it's like.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: Trying to ban Google or something.
• 47:25
  Speaker 19: I mean, it just seems a bit ridiculous. But apparently
• 47:28
  Speaker 19: there is research showing that kids are four in ten
• 47:32
  Speaker 19: kids are finding a lot of misogynists, violent eating disorder,
• 47:37
  Speaker 19: a lot of really concerning information that algorithms are just
• 47:41
  Speaker 19: sending it to them and their inbox in on their
• 47:44
  Speaker 19: social media devices.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: So if you're going to ban all of.
• 47:47
  Speaker 19: The other social media platforms, you've got to ban YouTube.
• 47:50
  Speaker 19: But then you start thinking, you know, there's real questions
• 47:53
  Speaker 19: about how this band is going to work, how they're
• 47:55
  Speaker 19: going to be able to do the Age of verification,
• 47:58
  Speaker 19: and is it going to be ready in time for December.
• 48:01
  Speaker 19: You know, parents and teachers are all for it, kids
• 48:03
  Speaker 19: not so much. But the real questions remain, are we
• 48:06
  Speaker 19: going to be able to actually do it.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very quickly, Stephen. There's so much good stuff for
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: them on YouTube as well.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: There is.
• 48:14
  Speaker 20: And the most frustrating thing about this is Chris is
• 48:17
  Speaker 20: these bands aren't going to work. The foremost expert in
• 48:20
  Speaker 20: the world almost on protecting children online is based here
• 48:24
  Speaker 20: in Australia and the government won't listen to him when
• 48:26
  Speaker 20: he says there's actually a better way to do this
• 48:28
  Speaker 20: that will put the power in the hands of parents
• 48:30
  Speaker 20: to restrict what their kids can and can't see online
• 48:33
  Speaker 20: without engaging in these age bands that aren't going to work.
• 48:36
  Speaker 20: And I'm going to be talking to on my program tomorrow.
• 48:38
  Speaker 20: And he's even walked away from the Advisory committee saying, look,
• 48:41
  Speaker 20: if you're not going to listen, well what's the point.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Well they'll ban him from social media.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: You wait and see if Thanks for joining us, Stephen,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Catch up with you next week.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: We do have time just to squeeze in a little
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: bit of your response to that interview last night Live
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: from Israel with the Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell. You
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: saw her taking cover live air. One of our viewers says,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: can we please trade Penny wong for the Israeli minister,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: indeed for a fantastic comment. Another viewer says all free
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: democratic countries like Australia should take a stand. We need
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: to join Israel to defend our values. Indeed, it's been
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: a momentous day. Pleasure to share it with you. I'll
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: be back tomorrow. Here's Peter Quidlin.