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Episode 248: The Return (SG-A 3.10 & 3.11) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Yet out of Gates episode two hundred and forty eight. We're talking Stargates Atlantis,
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  a little double episode here, and I'm going to need all hands on
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  deck, Maddie. I'll get my hands on your deck. What hey,
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  choice bro the first one here this afternoon to record our episode. He get
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  his hands on his own deck until we got here, Brandon goddre Hey,
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  he's giving that freebies when I pulled up, Yeah, anyone and everyone,
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  and then my mate rocks up in the Mercedes and you guys already here.
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  Yeah, yeah, an unhappy client and to drive home not empty handed,
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  annoying because you know in a Mercedes, you know they're going to pay double
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  they got the coin. Yeah yeah, full cold attack. That's for the
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  patrons. Yes, we are talking a double episode here. We had a
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  double episode of SG one, a couple of couple of pods ago, and
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  here we are the return part one and two Stargate Atlantis season three. Now
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  this was, you said, Maddie, the and then the mid season return.
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  Correct, So there was a what would you say like a three or
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  four months two According to the dates I got here, it was the part
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  one was the twenty second of the ninth, two thousand and six, and
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  then the return wasn't until the twentieth of the eleventh, two thousand and six,
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  so full like two months. Who wrote it? We'll see your part
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  one as well, because mister saw that we had part two. Yeah,
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  I thought part two was much better. But in saying that you had to
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  set up the story to get to the end, you knew that those ancients
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  weren't going to last. Yeah. I believe they were shorter than provide.
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  No, actually forgot that they were real ancients. I just assumed they're replicated
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  because my rewatch to phone. Do you have a synopsis? I don't have
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  it. I don't have it on me. Oh yeah, you get it
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  to get out of the old. We've got prime. Now you've got one
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  job. I know. But I did swap cars Ca, right bro,
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  he is right cake of Caraban. Like eight years we introduce ourselves. Hey,
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  for years we did. We throw to the about our schedule for eight
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  years. This is my dad intro. Everybody, We throw to the synopsis
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  and then we'd go, okay, what do you think? But you're the
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  newbie unless so you need to throw to yourself somewhere like mits, what do
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  you think too much pressure. Just the last six weeks we've had a six
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  minute intro, so we forgot what we do. Maybe even now, maybe
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  for Atlanta's Brendan should read the synopsis and then we can't want to read school.
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  We did his little work. The now Awakened Ancients meet with O'Neill and
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  Wolsey, thanking them for taking care of the city, but also like a
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  part two, is it says part one? Yeah? Really yeah, yeah
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  yeah. This starts with the now Awakened Ancients mate the return part one.
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  That is, that's what it's saying. I know, ridiculous. September twenty
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  two, two thousand and six. Although I'll tell you what the next episode
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  seven. This next episode is April thirteen, two thousand and seven. Yeah,
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  what's what? Where have they missed out? There's differences, so it's
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  like the UK saw it earlier than the US, so sometimes the dates are
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  off and sometimes you get a US date UK. Alright, so I just
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  kind of stick to just the earliest it was ever broadcast. No fair enough,
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  which I believe is the UK believe the UK got to see before the
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  US. Right, well, now that I was unsure that they well they
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  still own Canada, don't they. That's a good point. All yeah,
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  I'm sorry we got to give it to King. But now awaken Ancients meet
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  with O'Neil and Woolsey. A lot of spoilers going on in the first half
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  of the sentence, thanking them for taking care of the city, but also
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  asking them to vacate Atlantis. Well, Ronan and Taylor's stay in the Pegasus
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  galaxy, the Rest struggle to resume their lives Earth. Yeah, well,
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  I mean so weird. That's definitely read that last. Well, Roan and
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  Taylor stay in the Pegasy, the Rest struggle to resume their lives on Earth.
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  That key plot point of Ronan Taylor staying in it. I would like
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  to have seen him, you know, go back and work at a Wendy's
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  or something like that, you know, like a Tilk episode that would have
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  been mad afc Like it's like one, don't give me money, then I'll
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  eat this. Episode two. O'Neil and Woolsey get a lot of mentions.
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  The lone survivors of the Replicators Bloody Coup hide out in an abandoned section of
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  the city, knowing Landry has in order to nuke Atlantis, if a foothold
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  situation should ever arise, the two lay low awaiting their fate, or a
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  single mention of this of the Atlantis team. Yeah, those scream now synopsis
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  is the plural of synopsis. I'm aware because that what that's what that screams
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  to me is look over here, we've got O'Neill, look on Atlanta two
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  episodes. I I you know, I stitch myself up because I had to
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  make sure I was watching the right episode on the right DVD guys. And
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  so I skim through very quickly to like post the opening, the theme,
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  to see the title of the episode, and your your DVD disc that you're
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  absolutely watching it on, it remains unmarked. Yeah, you don't select the
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  episode. And I've actually been watching that DVD on my TV on my PlayStation.
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  I would have absolut been convinced that I was definitely watching the right episode
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  because I was, so I was still watching it on my laptop and I'm
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  like, I see Wolzy, I see O'Neil, and I'm like, god
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  damn it. That would have been amazing to have that reveal for me in
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  it, and it ruined it. And I was actually worried it wasn't.
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  I guess there was a good reveal for he stepped forward and you're like,
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  oh yeah, and he could have been in there for yeah. I thought
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  that was it, just to welcome back Shep because I saw this episode was
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  much later really because they just the O'Neil diving stuff was Oh my god,
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  okay, well love Karen, Oh yeah, Well. Can I just say,
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  I know you said I we part two, part one from the audset.
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  I love this so it's so good and I reckon more than anything SG
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  ones ever did. And I would like to compare this when we soon enough
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  get to the Arc of Truth and continuum this two parter because you know,
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  while I was, you know, watching it on my DVDs, I was
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  still I didn't split up the watch. I went back to back as I
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  should. It felt it flowed like a movie. By the amount of times
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  where I wave the cursor on my laptop to make sure that it was still
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  only a forty one minute running time per episode, and this has to be
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  sixty minutes each. This has to be a special presentation. This feels like
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  a film. It doesn't. The amount of breathing time, and there were
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  there were on Woolsey, I feel like he was. It was just him
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  on screen at one stage for two minutes doing nothing. There was no dialogue,
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  and I'm like, how can you afford to waste this much time?
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  And they weren't. I didn't feel like that was wasted time at all.
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  It just it flowed, and the pacing and the different story elements that kept
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  coming in, the payoffs and everything. It felt like a movie. And
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  you saying, oh, I felt like this could have come. Oh,
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  I always forget this comes now midway through season three, the fact that Atlanta's
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  ended when it did, and they keep oh, should they bring it back?
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  And they wanted to do and they want to do a movie to wrap
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  it up. Kind of heard it without it. They continued on, right
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  now they've written a script. Yeah, you called a resurrection start Atlanta's resurrection.
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  That's what you've told me. Yeah, Like, this feels like at
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  the start of the movie. Cool, this feels like it could have been
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  the Stargate Atlantis movie. Yeah, well, this is exactly the halfway point.
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  To think. The middle of these two episodes is exactly the halfway point
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  of Atlanta's run, And all of a I was thinking that during the watch,
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  and I was like getting sad. I'm like, oh, I feel
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  like I'm so close to I'm not close to the end. I'm literally close
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  to the start now than what I am to the end until I get past
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  that halfway point of the of the two parter. But I guess it'll come
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  a lot faster now because we're everything we've been watching so far has been interchange
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  with an episode of HG One. Soon enough, it'll just be Atlantis that
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  we're watching. And it's so we're going to get into Maddy's favorite seasons of
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  GA when it's going to be coming fast. It's a really really good two
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  part and it's it like I said, it flows really really well. And
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  I think it's only once you sort of finished the episode and you look back
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  on the ego and it was a Giro episode. Well, now we'll get
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  to that. We'll get to that. Make sure you ready, mates,
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  sound effects. The problem for me is that when you look back on you
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  go, oh, that's right. There was those three minutes at the start
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  of the episode where we met a hundred real life ancients. Yeah, and
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  we saw none of it. Yeah. Yeah, that's so we didn't even
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  like we saw the transmission of Captain Hellier, right, but then we don't
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  see her again she beams onto Atlantis, So we saw none of the actual
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  initial first contact encounter. All those Ancients had to beam onto the Dadalus.
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  They abandoned that ship and then and then the Dadalus flew them at hyperspace.
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  We saw none. We were roll. Yeah, we just saw them beam
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  down and they had their meeting, just obviously so that then Helly could have
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  that They part two, no, and they were killed off screen as well.
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  And then I think the confusing part is all of the Replicators are dressed
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  in the same as the Ancients, so you kind of get it confused in
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  your head that they're too separate and these entities killed the other entities, which,
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  by the way, I mean as the first time, I got very
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  confused because they're obviously going in now the Ancients don't want them back, even
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  though they're under attacked and the Replicator they probably still don't want our Earth people
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  to go back there. So when they first pop out of the gate in
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  the jumper and the Ancients, as far as I'm concerned, because at that
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  point had we heard hate all the Ancients are dead, or was just like,
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  hey, we've been under attack for a long time, right, yea,
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  Hopefully O'Neil and Woolsey are alive. Hopefully a lot of other people are
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  alive, but we don't know. It's been a long time. All of
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  a sudden, you know, cut to we pop out of the gate in
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  the jumper. The ancients in their uniforms are firing on us. We're like,
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  let's get out of here and blow them the fuck up. And I'm
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  like, yeah, you're doing It's one thing to want to get away from
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  them firing you. You're killing a bunch of ancients. And then afterwards they're
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  like, man, I hope all those replicators died and I'm like, hang
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  on when who? Yeah, so they were all from my recollection. All
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  you basically see is like the ancients being you know, really arrogant about it
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  going. Well, they can't hurt us, so we're just gonna send a
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  single puddle jumper up there to tell them to turn around and go home and
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  be good. That puddle gets destroyed and then they all freak out and you
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  see none of the battle. All you see is then that bit of O'Neill
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  and Wolsey communicating back to SGC, going, oh, there's an atack blah
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  bla blah blah blah blah. And it's not until much later they confirmed that
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  there's a I think it was at least one hundred or over one hundred ancients
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  returned to Atlantis. Wow, they all were killed by the replicators, but
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  fucking O'Neill and Wolsey survived, Like surely no Neil knows how to survive.
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  True, But it's like, but it's like ancients, like ten thousand year
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  old, battle hardened ancients. I don't think they're that battle hardened though.
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  Well no, that was the whole reason they were stuck traveling at point nine
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  ninety nineties because they were in they were literally in the war with the Rath
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  Tenthoud. But what I'm saying in comparabon, they're like battle mode is completely
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  different to Jack o'neils ondercent And obviously they they're in the mindset where they've never
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  battled this kind of replicators, but they're also in their own home they know
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  one hundred percent like Helly was able to have that thing pop up out of
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  the ground and take complete control of the entire Atlanta's base and they had no
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  tricks up there. They knew they know everything that city can do, and
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  they weren't able to fend off the the Replicators without dying. But O'Neill and
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  Woolsey survived, Like, yeah, the shield, didn't they have three zbms?
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  Uh No, that's at the end. That's at the end. The
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  replicators build threes, the replicators because then yes, because in next week's episode
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  they talk about the three. Yeah, But what I'm saying is, did
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  the ancients build them or did the replicators? I don't think. I believe
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  in insinuation. It's it's the replicators that built the But I didn't think the
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  z PN bay was in the tower, the operations tower. I thought it
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  was like deeper down. I think you're right, Yeah, And I think
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  you're right, But I think it's just I don't think there's any confirmation either
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  way, but I think it's but I guess either way, like the ancients
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  probably hadn't built the new ZPMs yet, so the station probably, like the
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  base, probably wasn't at at full strength. But I would at least have
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  liked to have seen a scene where if if the ancients, like one of
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  them sacrificed themselves to save Woolzy and O'Neill's life. You know, I would
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  believe that, but I'm just like weak. Then they turn into murmured salas.
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  Yeah, yeah, you know, something like that, but to sacrifice
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  themselves for the humans. And then and then when yeah, yeah right there,
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  I needed. I needed. I need to release my burden somehow,
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  So I'm gonna save the life of these two easy little humans and you know,
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  go full omer. But yeah, so that part I'm disappointed with.
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  But which is mature? Right, It's like the episodes flow so well that
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  you don't really have time to think about that, And I think they wanted
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  to get to the part where it's us versus the replicators, which I understand.
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  But if you are a true Stargate fan, you've watched well I'm not
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  saying you're only a true Stargate fan if you've watched SG one, but most
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  people would have. And you remember that actress as the destroyer of worlds.
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  That's Slash Kira in the remember in Prisoners in s G one there was the
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  old woman. They used weeds to get them out. That old woman turned
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  young. That's the young woman. She is the ancient, the head of
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  the ancients. So for me, I'm like, this girl's can dodgy because
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  the way she's pulling her face, You're like, I know you're evil,
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  bitch. So in my head, in my head, Cannon, they're just
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  replicators. I think that was a miscasting for It's like for the first time
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  we're going to because obviously in Atlanta as we've encountered ancients before, Like there
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  was the chick on the planet John was trying to bang, was I guess
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  technically SG one Like that was Pegas's project episode, Like our team didn't really
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  except for Weird I guess was the only one that sort of encountered Morgan.
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  This is like the first time we're encountering none ascended angel, Like those ancients
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  never ascended. They're from the time period of yeah, back in the Wraith,
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  well, no older than older than that. Yeah, ten thousand years
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  ago was the war with the Wraith. That was when they sunk the city.
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  Ten thousand years ago when doctor Weir came back. Yeah, so it
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  would have been pre Merlin because you got to remember Moros was on the High
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  Council of Atlantis and he was one of people who abandoned Atlantis ten thousand years
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  ago and went to Earth and then started doing all his Merlin shit after that.
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  So these are pre all that. Yeah, how far did they say?
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  How far? Directly? Was? For some reason I had fifteen thousand
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  in my head. Uh No, because they knew about the evacuation to Earth.
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  They knew about the evacuation that would heading back, and that's when their
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  engines were damaged with the in a battle with the race or whatever. So
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  that's when they started traveling at the speed of light. But no, you
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  you're right about Captain Heller. It's like I straight away, I was like
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  the first time we as an audience too, I see Atlanta's encounter and Nonesen
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  an ancient that's the ancient bitch. Yeah. By casting Lenaia, you're like,
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  yeah, yeah, give me someone else. Like she's a great actress
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  and it's just funny. I was. I was reading trivia about her and
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  people were like, oh, yes, this character best known as and I
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  thought they were going to say, and best known as playing Fox Moulder's younger
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  sister in The X Files. And I'm like, come on, sure,
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  because that's that's me watching Atlantis. I want to know trivia about X files
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  won three. Yeah, so what do you reckon that? What about the
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  puddle jumper, because there was that's not our one that only God and sees
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  the one that yeah, one where shepherd and we're one that we steal from
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  the SGC at the first. Yeah, it's we just kind of left a
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  few. I think this is some classic Geara writing because obviously this we haven't
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  spoken about yet. Obviously the start of the episode opens with the intergalactic gate
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  bridge and Middleway station and a kind yeah, I know that was I mean,
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  because you guys have had I think the last time they sort of teased
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  that that was coming, and so it was great to see it. I
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  mean I felt like kind of the same way with the ancients beaming aboard the
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  ship. It was like, oh, we didn't get I mean, the
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  idea of it was that it was quick, but I felt like it was
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  like, yeah, he's a quick little zoom to halfway and then we just
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  see him pop out at the end of the trip. Having said that,
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  when you get O'Neill pop up with laundry, they're standing there in the control
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  room, walters there, and then we're looking at the open wormhole in the
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  SGC in a puddle Jumper was like actually really yeah, so I'm like,
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  reround that moment. I'm like, I don't think I fully embraced that again,
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  I just need to and just you only get like two frames of the
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  of the event horizon before the puddle Jumper pulls through and he just smashes on
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  the brakes. I was like, holy shit, Like and that's where it
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  felt like a movie too. It didn't feel like and not that say that
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  any of the cameos when you get a crossover you know, Carter showing up
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  in Underwater with Mackay, or when you get some of the Atlanti's team showing
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  up in SG one or anything, that still feels like, oh, this
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  is you know, a shared universe type situation that's like a special appearance.
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  Yeah, but this really felt when we go to the SGC even more than
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  I don't know, it was something and that was early on. It's still
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  still they were missing Carter, I feel someone because they were trying to figure
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  something out. I feel like Carter would be like we got to save Jack.
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  Yeah, I'll stay here. I'll be the person to stay here and
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  let you go. Almost yeah, well, of something. I've watched Hels
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  with something for next week's SG one because I was thinking the same thing that.
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  I mean, even where O'Neil goes next time, bring Carter, and
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  I was she would be very helpful here, and I think you could even
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  I think even if it was a scene with Rodney and Carter just like an
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  off just off shoot, yeah, just like yeah, that would have been
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  nice. Oh you have to do this and this. Yeah. Yeah,
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  even given that we had the scenes where, like you know, once everyone's
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  been reassigned, you know, back to Earth and they're all doing their own
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  separate jobs, like you know, Rodney and John having that conversation on the
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  phone and setting up dinner and all that kind of stuff. It could have
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  even have been something like that, like you know, between Rodney and Carter
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  or something like that, just to help out, yeah, yeah, or
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  even she was at dinner with them or something. Yeah, socially, But
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  just going back to what you're saying about the puddle Jumper, I think in
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  Giro's head, John took the puddle Jumper to Earth by doing the gate bridge,
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  and I think you forgot that. Obviously, John had to fly back
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  for the pizza and I think that's why he thought there was Yeah the Daedalus.
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  Yeah. See this is where I'm this is basically I'm leading to a
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  point where I can make for the Giro. Because what you see at the
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  very very end of the episode, the amazing scene between Jack and Weir when
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  like, you know, he says, Okay, you're back in charge,
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  and he gives he like she hugs him and all that kind of stuff.
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  You actually, her office is much larger. One of the reasons they blew
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  up the main set in the show is because they wanted to do some revamping.
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  They talked about how the you know, the replicators had just painted and
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  blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. But the reason they also did that
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  is because Ghiro had a problem with Weir's office. But he's such a dumb
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  writer he didn't realize that playe number eighteen please and we're near the end now.
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  It's funny because I am a fervorant opponent. Did I use it wrong?
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  Well? Correct? Maybe rent? Maybe a writer in the UK the
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  Canadian version, it's like neighbor with a you opponent, I have an opponent
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  of and a apparently man with a bad What do you call the wordality?
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  What do you call that? Jesus, Yeah, you've lost me vocabulary.
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  I don't even know what I was, must not be. You were fervent
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  about it, whatever it was, Oh opponent of all of the nick knacks
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  in Weir's office. There's just too much clutters. Yeah, there wasn't been
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  a clutter. Yeah. I was collector and I was like, what a
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  great what a great opportunity. We blow up the tower and all that stuff
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  we don't get and then the next episode, guess what's back? All the
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  junk? And I was like, what the hell? And they're like,
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  well, she left the city, she would have packed it all up.
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  They got, they got me, they got writing. Yeah, my own
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  pen. So this set designs have a better idea of continuity than one of
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  the fucking writers and producers of the show. That's so good man, she
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  took it all back. Who wrote that episode that? You literally one we're
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  filming right, Oh yeah, the whole she had just blown her up better.
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  Yeah, like if you'd written it so that we were all kicked out
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  before we had a chance to pack. Yeah, but you wrote a ten
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  minute scene of Beckett crying saying goodbye to Rodney when Roddie's like, we're literally
• 22:22
  going to see each other at the gate, you know. I like,
• 22:26
  you know, you're saying goodbye, you know, to where I mean they
• 22:30
  would have again had so much more time to people probably get back and going
• 22:33
  to bloody quarantine who knows, but debriefed. I just liked the idea.
• 22:37
  He's like, you know, we can do a goodbye where we've worked together
• 22:40
  and like our spiritual home. He's like, but I'm going to see you
• 22:42
  downstairs, like shut up, yeah, And that's such a Rodney I think
• 22:45
  maybe if someone else said that, I'd be like, yeah, that makes
• 22:47
  sense because it was Rodney. And I'm like, he's just he's always going
• 22:51
  to say the most dickish thing he could when someone's been totally genuine to me.
• 22:53
  But then like you know, Beckett goes and cracks the sad like I
• 22:56
  just want to say goodbye to you. You know. It's just like make
• 23:00
  but that's the equivalent of like having someone like say, you have someone come
• 23:03
  and visit you then stay with you, and it's like you've got to take
• 23:04
  him to the airport and it's like they have a teary goodbye with you at
• 23:07
  your house when you're gonna drive, it's the same, Like it's like we
• 23:11
  can do that at the airport. It's fine, Like yeah, yeah,
• 23:17
  Giro, but I do love what you said about the other guy, Like
• 23:22
  this other guy hates him. Pretty sure, I can't quite remember. I'm
• 23:25
  pretty sure it's Paul Mulley is in Joe and Paul, Joe Moltsi's writing partner.
• 23:30
  But during the commentary, during all the special features, during everything you
• 23:33
  see with Martin Guiro, he just talks up, talks up, talks up
• 23:37
  how he's writing the episode of where O'Neill comes to Atlantis, it's the first
• 23:42
  time we've seen O'Neill come to Atlantis. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
• 23:48
  blah blah. So the fun part about this episode, of course, is
• 23:51
  the fact that we got to bring General O'Neill over to Atlantis in really the
• 23:55
  first real way he was in real world where he's kind of an illusion,
• 24:00
  and so this is the actual real he was in the pilot and since that
• 24:03
  hasn't really been on notice, no, yeah, this is this is a
• 24:07
  treat. This is a treat. So he was he's talking to Atlantis,
• 24:11
  the show, not to Atlantis, the location within the show. Yeah,
• 24:15
  he was talking about the show. Like Ghiro was like, I'm the guy
• 24:18
  gets to write O'Neill coming to Atlanta. He's going to be on Atlantis.
• 24:22
  He's going to be on our show. Because when you were setting it up
• 24:25
  and I'm like, well, has it because I had that moment too where
• 24:26
  I felt like that was another missed opportunity where we didn't we didn't actually see
• 24:30
  like O'Neill pop through the event horizon and go oh shit, yeah, yeah,
• 24:33
  what looks like in real life? All of a sudden, He's just
• 24:37
  like he's just there in a room, and I'm like, I really,
• 24:38
  I would have liked to have seen that. I mean, we've seen Jack
• 24:41
  pop out of a wormhole and see a bunch of different things for the first
• 24:45
  time for eight years. I get that, but I thought that's where you
• 24:48
  were going to go, and I'm like that's how I felt as well.
• 24:51
  But he's talking about the actual shows. Yeah, he's like, oh we
• 24:53
  He's like yeah, he's literally like on all the special feature he's like,
• 24:56
  oh, you know, we pulled Richard in and out of retirement to come
• 24:59
  back and do this with blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm
• 25:02
  going to write the episode where he, you know, comes back to Stargate.
• 25:04
  It's like he was in the he was in the pilot. He's literally
• 25:08
  the one who like got Shepherd into the Stargate program. Like, it doesn't
• 25:15
  just mean literally, no, he doesn't just mean. He doesn't just mean
• 25:19
  character going to the Atlantis base. He means Richard Dean Anderson coming and working
• 25:26
  on the Atlantis TV show. I don't. I mean, that's too stupid.
• 25:32
  That's true, that's good. And see, I think that was such
• 25:37
  a great part of this episode as well as that it was it was like
• 25:41
  a great if we never saw O'Neill again, it was a great send off.
• 25:45
  Well what spoiler alert, Well it's not spoiler alert, but I guess
• 25:49
  we have to talk about it, you know, I'm saying, if we
• 25:53
  if we don't, if we didn't, like I'm just well, what I'm
• 25:56
  saying in terms of Atlantis the television program, this is the last time we
• 26:00
  see O'Neill, the last time we see Landry. They're never on the show
• 26:03
  ever again. Yeah, right, I just still exist in the show.
• 26:07
  Yeah, like I see them in the universe. Yeah. I just meant
• 26:10
  more like, if if O'Neill never appeared in Star any other Star, this
• 26:15
  would have been this still even though it wasn't the show that he was a
• 26:18
  part of from the starter or he was, but like it wasn't his show,
• 26:22
  this would have been a great sendoff. And yet he didn't take over
• 26:26
  from the It's not like, you know, it's again, we're doing it
• 26:30
  crossovers and stuff, you're not going to pull in. Hey, well,
• 26:32
  we're going to bring in Carter in case she takes over Rodney's role on the
• 26:36
  show or anything. And she sold something to Rodney can't And we're like,
• 26:38
  oh, well, I guess this day was only saved because we brought in
• 26:41
  the real stars of the Stargate French, which only they were in the Auto
• 26:45
  country to talk about. They were very cognizant of that. Now cognisant what
• 26:48
  cognizant means, So like that's why it's kind of written in part two that
• 26:55
  obviously the Atlantis team steal the Jumper to go back to Atlantis to save O'Neil
• 27:00
  and Woolsey, but in order to save Woolsey and O'Neil. When our team's
• 27:07
  trapped in the puddle jumper underwater, O'Neil has to be the one to save
• 27:11
  them by job. So it's kind of like, well, you have to
• 27:12
  do this so that we can do that, and then obviously then later on
• 27:15
  when Woolsey and O'Neil are captured, it's like they have to help them.
• 27:18
  So yeah, there wasn't any like O'Neil just coming in and being untouchable with
• 27:22
  plot armor and saving the day. It's like, you have to save us
• 27:26
  so that we can save you, so that you can save us so that
• 27:27
  we can save you kind of thing. Yeah, it felt very balanced,
• 27:30
  and you know, I was obviously I know that you know O'Neil is going
• 27:34
  to appear in SG one again, but the idea that even the third we
• 27:40
  come up, he's like it's a dead man's switch. It's like, sorry,
• 27:41
  I didn't know that. He's like, oh okay, like he was
• 27:44
  ready to, I think, to make the sacrificial play. Like if I
• 27:47
  got that feeling in that moment, I'm like, I actually believe that you're
• 27:51
  convinced that you might have to die to make this happen. And that was
• 27:53
  really well played. He already thought he was going to die anyway, so
• 27:56
  he might as well die here. We know why he thought he was going
• 27:59
  to die. Classic doctor Beckett is I'm comforted? Was I supposed to be?
• 28:10
  I was like, that was purely as as I said that Beckett copt
• 28:15
  it in this episode. It was great that him like, they're all going
• 28:18
  in to see Landry and then why am I here? And then obviously the
• 28:27
  thing that we've quoted the most on this show my turtles. What I just
• 28:33
  watched some we baby turtles and no one wants to feed them. Well,
• 28:37
  turtles are pretty hearty. I'm sure they'll be fine, and they make good
• 28:41
  soup. See. So that's what when I was saying Jos and I we
• 28:45
  watched we watched last week's episode and then we watched this like kind of back
• 28:49
  to back, and just those two combined, I'm like, he loves shoes
• 28:55
  and turtles. Outrageous, you know when I'm watching this now, because you're
• 29:00
  like, oh, there, I'm putting that out into the world, into
• 29:03
  into the into the gator world. He's got a thing for shoes, and
• 29:07
  if people die, he takes their shoes when he goes to visit Weird at
• 29:11
  her apartment and she opens. He's like, Oh, Elizabeth, you're here,
• 29:17
  and it was like he kind of wanted to find her dead. Yeah,
• 29:19
  I have like unconscious enough for her for him to preferpr and fail.
• 29:29
  He showed up because she's not answering her phone calls. She hasn't been known
• 29:32
  to leave the leave her house, she hasn't shown up to the base or
• 29:34
  anything. She's not checking in. She has no one knows about her.
• 29:37
  He's like, I might go there and find her dead in the bath,
• 29:41
  and I'm just going to steal her. Show actually was worried about it at
• 29:44
  all, and that that was not the only time I thought about that in
• 29:47
  this episode. I can't tell you which other moment, but there was another
• 29:49
  moment where he showed up and I was like, he was there for the
• 29:52
  shoes. He rocks up to Elizabeth's house in a very unfortunate wardrobe choice because
• 29:57
  he's wearing a jacket that looks like a doctor's white coat. But it was
• 30:02
  just just like every day Jack. I think, Yeah, I think it's
• 30:03
  just to let you know, people on the street know that he's a doctor.
• 30:07
  Am I we doctor? But the other thing that I took as a
• 30:08
  personal insult is personal. Yeah, Well, it's like they're all worried about
• 30:14
  about Elizabeth because she's like sitting at home in her pajamas, takeout containers on
• 30:19
  the on the counter, she's not replying to phone calls, and you know
• 30:22
  they're in siner ring. Maybe she's depressed, all that kind of stuff,
• 30:26
  And I'm like, she's just me on the weekend. Am I depressed?
• 30:30
  Like I'm like, what are they saying? Like everything she's doing to me
• 30:33
  is completely healthy. She's getting money from the Air Force for two consultant jobs.
• 30:41
  Why the could you need to go for work? She's got one hundred
• 30:44
  a year for that. She's you know, she's coping. She's obviously coping
• 30:47
  with you know, she's she's gone from having this really important job to like
• 30:51
  not being there anymore. She wouldn't have had to spend any of the money
• 30:53
  she made it the last two and a half years. Yeah, had all
• 30:56
  her food and stuff paid for all accommodations, like, yeah, I'd be
• 30:59
  doing the exact same thing then. And did you notice the z PM on
• 31:03
  the side table It was demplete and the strawberry lube now just on the turtles
• 31:11
  thing, Mitch, you have amphibious pets. Are they turtles or tortoises?
• 31:15
  No, it's a turtle. It's a turtle. Well maybe this, this
• 31:18
  will possibly bring you over to my side in terms of the GIRO discussion.
• 31:22
  Turtles turtles. I had turtles when I was a kid. The smelliest,
• 31:27
  least fun pets ever. I disagree. Yeah, they can stink the water
• 31:36
  would have happened, Mitch if you didn't feed the turtles. Don't they eat
• 31:40
  each other? Isn't that? I have one turtle now, I used to
• 31:42
  have too. They didn't eat each other, but they did it. One
• 31:45
  did attack the other one and like you know, ripped parts of his body
• 31:48
  off and yeah, lost a tail. Ironically, that was Raphael. Wasn't
• 31:52
  it the angry one? I knewly. No, it's I've got Leo and
• 31:56
  Michelangelo and Michaelangelo died. But and I wanted to rename it to Raphael.
• 32:01
  That's what it was. Yeah, dirty rat, dirty stinking Yeah. No,
• 32:07
  I mean, you know it's not like I take I do, like
• 32:08
  when I let him out and clean his tanker, roam around on the front
• 32:13
  law and he goes for a little walks. But that's it's like I put
• 32:15
  a leash on him or anything. That would be great. Actually, there's
• 32:19
  a woman on TikTok and she's got people bring their dogs into work. You
• 32:22
  I kind of want to bring my turtle, I think so, like I
• 32:24
  think he would. I don't ever let him get that like close enough to
• 32:28
  grab him or handle him. But if he'll take her, if you'll take
• 32:30
  a snap, I don't know how much it would hurt. There's a woman
• 32:34
  and she's got millions of followers, millions of turtles. No, she has
• 32:38
  a pet like blue crab. It's this blue crab called Howie, and she
• 32:45
  literally like puts like hats and crowns and stuff on it and then wraps a
• 32:49
  shoelace around it. Doctor Beckett from Almost Cheesy Stolen, And she takes it
• 32:52
  for walks. And she's got millions of followers just like because she takes her
• 32:57
  crab Howie for walks, puts a little hat on her. It's brilliant.
• 33:00
  So you should absolutely, I nearly I wanted to do that slavery. Yeah,
• 33:05
  when we first got the turtles, like, I would have loved nothing
• 33:07
  more than to be able to wrap like some you know, just a strip
• 33:09
  of fabric one blue, one orange like around their shell. But I'm going
• 33:14
  to restrict their growth stuff. But now that he's he's fully grown, I
• 33:17
  could probably get away with that where I just tie like a blue belt strip.
• 33:24
  Yeah, paint his face obviously, put like trip. Yeah, I'll
• 33:28
  get like a thing the holster plastic swords on. You come out of my
• 33:32
  house and he's wearing a katana belt like, yeah, drew a blue sword.
• 33:38
  And the good thing about him is not trying and pull up this quick
• 33:40
  is that when I I want to take photos of him, he looks like
• 33:44
  he's smiling. Guys, it's very cute, you know, not so much,
• 33:49
  but a little little smile, a little smile. They look smiling.
• 33:52
  Curves naturally has a smile. Shepherd took the inaugural trip through the stuff Gate
• 34:00
  across the Makata m Gate Bridge gate Bridge thirty four gates, thirty four gates,
• 34:07
  so he would probably be the first person ever to go through thirty four
• 34:13
  star gates in a row. He said that he described it as weird.
• 34:19
  Yeah, so would he like he would be demiolecuarized thirty four times? Yeah,
• 34:25
  because it's like, is it just pass the information to the next port,
• 34:30
  like correct. Yeah, so the way I connection the way I like,
• 34:34
  he didn't become materialized again until he got to Midway, So I guess
• 34:37
  in terms of that Midway had to be built. So I guess either people
• 34:40
  maybe that's why SGC had a puddle jumper because they would take the milky wayside
• 34:45
  to there and then they were helping build you know that structure that was holding
• 34:50
  Midway gates and stuff, or the dedlstris just doing it. But yeah,
• 34:52
  I'm asuming this is the first person that's gone all the way through both sides.
• 34:58
  But yes, the way I interpreted it is that like the Atlanta's gate
• 35:02
  calls a different gate passes, he passes through that, but stays in the
• 35:07
  buffer like in the stargate the way TILK was like held in the stargate back
• 35:10
  in forty eight hours, held in it. Then the stargate rings the next
• 35:15
  stargate and he sent has matter to the next star game. Yes, he
• 35:19
  doesn't exist for fifteen minutes. Yeah, for like seventeen gates takes because it's
• 35:23
  like seven, was it. Yeah, that's the math. Seventeen to get
• 35:27
  to Midway and then seventeen there's like seventeen Atlantis gates the way he said it,
• 35:34
  I'm assuming if they split it halfway, Yeah, I get thirty four
• 35:37
  of each. Did I thought it was thirty four total? Yeah? I
• 35:40
  think so, yeah, thirty four total. Yeah, so yeah, seventeen
• 35:45
  of each and then obviously midway station. And I think he said thirty minute
• 35:47
  round trip basically yeah, yeah, I guessing travel time total thirty minutes.
• 35:52
  Yeah, he would have been fifteen minutes because he didn't exist for fifteen minutes.
• 35:55
  Energy for fifteen minutes. Zeros and how doesn't work? How long were
• 36:01
  we meant to think that it takes you know, earth to aboos They say
• 36:07
  a couple of seconds, but then sometimes they say average gate time is you
• 36:10
  know, a minute or minutes, so you know, it varies everybody.
• 36:16
  It feels instantaneous, but there is actual, like a solid amount of well
• 36:21
  unless you're unless you're in origins where you're like, oh what were all those
• 36:24
  stars? Because you can you can see your eyeballs were still proper, but
• 36:30
  the rest of your body was. Yeah, like that because link link is
• 36:36
  still never seen origins and there are moments whre I'm like, look you it
• 36:38
  just punched out. I don't think Jacob said that you've seen it. Maybe
• 36:40
  I'll do an edit where no cringe it. It'll be three minutes episode total,
• 36:49
  and there's just moments like that where I remember that, yeah, she
• 36:51
  could see as she travels. Maybe I'll make it stars like a stupid version.
• 36:55
  Yeah, we're actually either way. Either way, you've got to you've
• 37:00
  been nagada that you put that in every thirty seconds. Yeah, and the
• 37:05
  spinning. Yeah, I'm just I'm just maybe the time because I was gonna
• 37:08
  ask, like, you know, we could get from literally one side of
• 37:14
  the Milky Way to the other, like known ends of the Milky Way via
• 37:19
  the Milky Way stargate system. So like theoretically, like let's just even say
• 37:23
  that's the max space that a stargate can travel. That's how far apart.
• 37:28
  Seventeen of those are before the midway point is like there's seventeen length. I
• 37:32
  mean, I don't know the actual distance to Star Trek. I know that
• 37:37
  the Milky Way galaxy is roughly seventy five thousand light years across. Oh yes,
• 37:44
  I believe I've got to two things down here. I think it's either
• 37:47
  one million or three million light years between the Milky Way and Pegasus. I
• 37:54
  think I did mention it in this Yeah, yeah, I think I'll have
• 37:59
  to double check, but I think it's there's three million light years between Pegasus
• 38:04
  and the Milky Way, because we've also got written down here one million light
• 38:07
  years from Pegasus. I just can't remember if that was the ship or if
• 38:09
  that was Midway. Yeah, speaking of Midway, there is there is a
• 38:17
  history of Midway. There's that island. Oh yeah, in the south South
• 38:24
  China see, which isn't called South China Sea or is it. I have
• 38:29
  no idea the story, but they were It must have been World War two,
• 38:32
  Yeah it was. It was around the Pearl Harbor time. Yeah,
• 38:35
  and then they had Post Island, Yeah, had the island? Yeah?
• 38:39
  Was it? Because I've watched a couple of movies the same thing, Greyhound.
• 38:45
  I haven't seen Greyhound with Tom Hanks. Yeah. There is actually that
• 38:47
  movie called Midway for Midway, which is really good as well. Yeah.
• 38:51
  Midways is like essentially they said, it's like an unknown battle. It's post
• 38:54
  Pearl Harbor. Was it post the Yanks going over there and Ben Affleck,
• 38:59
  Josh hartn and El getting revenge? It was after that where there was this
• 39:01
  very important battle that took place in the middle of nowhere in this tiny little
• 39:07
  island system, and it helped to like, you know, the direct where
• 39:10
  the war went to. There's a way better episode of Stargate called Midway that
• 39:14
  you'll love. Yeah, so it didn't say star Trek, which is amazing.
• 39:20
  Well, that's because because there's not an episode of star Trek called Midway.
• 39:22
  That's fine. If there was, absolutely would have brought it up,
• 39:24
  but you still get one. Yeah, I googled it. You're welcome.
• 39:28
  Holy. Yeah. So the distance from Earth to the Pegasus dwarf galaxy is
• 39:34
  three million light years and Earth is obviously kind of wearing one of that outer
• 39:38
  edge spirals of the Milky Way galaxy, so you could say, okay,
• 39:42
  so from the Milky Way to Pegasus is three million light years, and we
• 39:45
  know that the distance that a seven address Stargate can do is like seventy five
• 39:52
  thousand light years across the Milky Way. But then obviously an eight chevron address
• 39:55
  with enough power, Yeah, we can dial that three million dress in one
• 40:00
  go. So it's just such a great like it's very human way of adapting.
• 40:07
  Like, yeah, I like that it's a classic Tari movie. Yeah,
• 40:10
  like the ingenuity to be like, Okay, we're gonna we're going to
• 40:14
  do a worker like I think the Stargate franchise would have not suffered. But
• 40:17
  I prefer the way that it is compared to if if SG one would have
• 40:21
  started like Okay, the movie happened, and then by the time the show
• 40:23
  happens, we've got Atlantis type technology, Like we're like, ah, the
• 40:27
  stuff we've discovered, or very quickly between the pilot and the second episode,
• 40:30
  we've adjusted all of our technology to match the capabilities that we now have to
• 40:35
  being able to travel interstellar sort of style. But instead we're doing it with
• 40:40
  mid nineties you know, Windows, computers and and and we've got big box
• 40:45
  dos, you know, and we've got big bright lights that you know that
• 40:50
  walters pressing and stuff. And then and here it's like, okay, well,
• 40:53
  how do we take that to the next level? And it's like,
• 40:55
  well, let's just get a bunch of gates and just put them and we
• 40:59
  can we can use them just like leap you know, we can leap frog
• 41:00
  between gates. It's like that. I would just love the ancients to even
• 41:06
  though they were very much aware, I guess because we were in the middle
• 41:08
  of experimenting. But if the ancients became aware of this and commen said,
• 41:12
  you are bastardizing our system, what are you doing them? What do you
• 41:16
  do? This is not no, there is such an easier, sexier way
• 41:21
  of doing this that you guys haven't thought of yet. It's like, yeah,
• 41:22
  but because we haven't thought of it, we just thought about jumping from
• 41:24
  one or another like each quick. Like I love that we did that.
• 41:28
  It's so it's so it's so advanced for what we had the capability of doing,
• 41:35
  but at the same time, it's still within our realm of being.
• 41:39
  If you had left us some all ZPMs before you all ascended, we wouldn't
• 41:43
  need to do this to take a VPM machine. Yeah, you left us
• 41:47
  on these cool toys and then took all the batteries out of the remote before
• 41:52
  you left. And it's like, what the girls are we supposed to do?
• 41:53
  Can I just say on the ZZBM situation, like I don't know which
• 41:58
  maybe was it getting our own TikTok recently and like you can obviously choose your
• 42:01
  pronouns. And then we've done on our social media is suggested our pronouns a
• 42:07
  zz PM. Absolutely, And it's like if you if you can't find it
• 42:12
  in a drop down, you have to suggest one and you have to register
• 42:15
  it basically, So I tried to write it. At the end, he
• 42:19
  goes, sorry, that's not a thing, and I'm like, how can
• 42:21
  you tell me it's not a thing? Yeah? Yeah, it's like ninety
• 42:23
  six things and you're telling me I can't have a ninety seventh How dare you're
• 42:27
  twenty twenty four? Piece of shit? Mate? Turn thirty two? Now
• 42:30
  you can apply to TICK. I'm going to go to China and go,
• 42:34
  yeah, can you register my gender please? The thing that I don't actually
• 42:39
  believe? Can you? Like it's offensive that you don't believe I made up
• 42:44
  one which is paying out. It's almost like it's just it's almost like the
• 42:47
  whole placating because it's just giving you a different dropdown box to choose for exactly.
• 42:53
  It's like that thing that we said in an aural ago where it was
• 42:55
  just like, oh, there's these fantastic T shirts that were like, you
• 42:59
  know, gender is construct blah blah blah, would you like to buy the
• 43:00
  male size of the female size? Like stupid ship like that. Yeah,
• 43:07
  I can't believe that. Yeah, where they're like they're trying to be accepting
• 43:08
  and be like, you know, have any gender expression you want, but
• 43:12
  you can't write what you can't write what you want, You've got to choose
• 43:14
  them from a drop down box. Yeah, and that is not an option.
• 43:19
  That is a hard Yeah, that's a hard R retarded in today's current
• 43:22
  state, it would be a mental thing that I've got where I'm afraid of
• 43:25
  making contact with someone to ask a question, which is called Z should be
• 43:32
  just on the do I send it around? It was like a T shirt
• 43:36
  was a real and this guy was wearing a T shirt. This woman's screaming
• 43:38
  because he's filming her, and then he switches around to be a selfie and
• 43:43
  he's wearing a shirt and the caption was something like apparently this was too offensive
• 43:46
  to wear. And his shirt said RAHS and it was R A space I
• 43:52
  S T and then underneath it had which letter do you want it to be?
• 43:59
  God? I've seen some horrific T shirts that you can buy. I'd
• 44:02
  be really afraid that receipt. It's the it's the verb of what Rabbi does.
• 44:12
  He's a rabbist, yeah, or the rapist therapist. I'm a therapist
• 44:22
  and another saying that, yeah, a therapist and an analyst yamber like the
• 44:29
  rest of development. Yeah, it's also that thing when cards when When when
• 44:36
  Susan Boyle was having like an album launched, she had the Susan Album Party,
• 44:39
  So it was hashtag Susan album Party, which reads as hashtag sty That's
• 44:45
  what I was trying to think of the other week. Yeah, that's good,
• 44:49
  that's good. You guys have completely skipped my favorite part of the episode,
• 44:53
  and that was when and it's in the plot summary as well, so
• 44:58
  it's not just me and Ronan and Taylor were left in the Pegasus by themselves,
• 45:04
  that clunky line they gave as long as there was reas to fight in
• 45:07
  this galaxy youngness. Yeah, so this is the part where Ronan dex Is
• 45:14
  remember him in this episode. He's here and I'm talking to the Jeni guy,
• 45:19
  which is weird. Also like redeem which, by the way, I
• 45:22
  mentioned it before with this is the last appearance of Richard Janison and bow Bridges
• 45:25
  in Atlantis. This is the last appearance of Redeemed Atlantis too. What a
• 45:30
  shame. I don't care. As he said, they're very complicated. They're
• 45:35
  working on some stuff. They got big. I think they must kill I
• 45:37
  don't know if we have a reference him again. I don't know how much
• 45:39
  contact we have the Jeni going forward, but I think maybe they just pulla
• 45:44
  when they killed off Cole Meenie, like off screen when you stopped beingcoming available.
• 45:46
  I think they might have done that with Redeem. I can't remember anyway,
• 45:49
  Sorry, I derailed you all. Good. The segment is back.
• 45:52
  I've never actually named this segment, but it's actually is a segment that we've
• 45:55
  had many times. The names didn't have a name, and the name is
• 46:00
  the name of the file I don't have in front of me. Which is
• 46:04
  the best part is you're going to name the segment and we're still not going
• 46:06
  to know what it's about, because oh, yeah, that's right, we've
• 46:09
  sem It's actually quite funny. It's not that difficult to remember. It's called
• 46:15
  guess that movie movie. Oh okay, so this is a movie. I
• 46:19
  want you this is what I feel like reminds me of a movie, So
• 46:22
  please tell me what you think it is. I thought we're going to get
• 46:24
  an intro to the segment. Our segment was that was the intro. No,
• 46:30
  but our segment's unofficial unless they have an intro like around or has re's
• 46:35
  been paying attention. We do guess that movie movie in its attention. Oh,
• 46:40
  it's time to guess that movie. So great, obviously I'm joking.
• 46:47
  So you're gonna play some bit of audio and we're going to guess what movie
• 46:50
  it's from. Correct, We've done this. I've done this a few times
• 46:52
  now. This is one of my favorite scenes of this two parter. Obviously
• 46:57
  not it's forgettable, but I'll watch it. You made it memorable. Well,
• 47:00
  it's I'm going to put it on the socials because it is more of
• 47:05
  a It will work both ways, but it probably works better as a video.
• 47:08
  So it's going to be on the socials after this shout out to a
• 47:10
  bisexual. Yes, so just guess that movie movie with RHNANDEX. I'm not
• 47:17
  going to start working with the Jeni. We would not be working for them
• 47:22
  really with them, forget it. Stage five evacuation beginning. The Jedi are
• 47:30
  the most powerful and organized with the humans fright in the west. Yes,
• 47:35
  that's soccer, true, I know what You's just people are Farmers. Maybe
• 47:50
  it's in the place from here, that's sounds great, save some for us.
• 47:58
  It's so wonderful to see evacuation. We missed that whatever that something's wrong,
• 48:05
  evacuation come up? You know what I think? I think maybe you've
• 48:12
  misnamed that segment. I don't know if it's guessed the movie movie it's guess
• 48:15
  how Brendan can put Austin Powellers into start again. It's only a few movies.
• 48:21
  Really, it's like brain Heart, Lord of the Rings or yeah,
• 48:24
  that's true, you can guess. I guess. You know what I love
• 48:28
  about that is obviously that video you just showed us, and as we'll go
• 48:30
  up on the socials is in nine by sixteen, right, so it's it's
• 48:36
  in it's real, it's in portrait format. But as you're watching Stargate,
• 48:40
  you're obviously watching a landscape. So the idea that as you're watching that,
• 48:44
  you're like you can almost see like I think if you saw the full frame,
• 48:47
  I wouldn't. I clearly didn't while I was watching it. See what
• 48:50
  you saw in an adjusted frame like brilliant, brilliant. Don't know how you
• 48:53
  did that. It's I mean, he's living in the demented mind. That
• 48:55
  is braindant. Well, that's true. I am actually this is boring.
• 48:59
  What can he be doing? That's funny? Speaking of he would on the
• 49:02
  fire, Taylor is so fucking dumb. Well, that's just part of a
• 49:07
  culture maybe where that ain't care if the dude's piercing in front of you.
• 49:10
  Ronan doesn't care. He's massive, Ronan die from the Wraith tomorrow. Who's
• 49:15
  got, you know, any any kind of self consciousness? Just whip it
• 49:20
  out. And not only that, we know that Shepherd he doesn't have to,
• 49:23
  but he does drink Ronan's urine because it's sterile and he likes the taste
• 49:29
  that. A reference to that was Dodgeball and was about, oh, that
• 49:35
  reminds like it's interested in her culture. I was like, oh, that
• 49:37
  reminds me of it. I'm like, hang on a second, that's actually
• 49:38
  God Jason referenced June. You know when like what's his name about? M
• 49:45
  comes up and has and he spits in front of him, everyone pulls out
• 49:49
  his sword to kill him again. No no, no, that's the ultimate
• 49:52
  compliment respect because he's donating his own He's like, no, no, no,
• 49:57
  we respect your donation. And your sacrifice again, I could have spit
• 50:00
  in my mouth. Yeah, exactly like wasted. Yeah, speaking of yeah,
• 50:06
  living in Brennan's weird and wonderful mind. I actually do have a piece
• 50:08
  of wood you here that I've just titled Brendan remember the plan, of course,
• 50:13
  I remember the plans. My plan actually using NEM was Elizabeth's plan.
• 50:17
  It was mostly my plan, my freezing problem, that's right. I was
• 50:22
  like, I was like, Brendan is Rodney just think I'm more like Jack,
• 50:29
  can't give me any credit anywhere. No, you're Rodney. It was
• 50:34
  her idea. I feel like Mitch's Rodney if you did you see him doing
• 50:38
  the presentation at the start in Midway station presentation, just at the end of
• 50:45
  that when when he was just when he was going oh you applause, I
• 50:50
  think before that when it was like he started going off in a tangent explaining
• 50:53
  his tangent. Yeah, they had to come back quickly. Yeah. I
• 50:57
  was like, ah, that feels like me. That works really well because
• 51:00
  I was literally watching it with that with my boys and Rodney starts going on
• 51:05
  about what part of what episode and he's just going to the problem, and
• 51:09
  then my boy's like he talks really fast. Yeah yeah, and then like
• 51:14
  he did against why is he talking so fast? I'm like, well,
• 51:16
  he's like the smartest guy alive, so and that means he has to talk
• 51:21
  fast. I'm like, man, he just he's got a lot, a
• 51:22
  lot of thoughts. James right, and no one else gets it the couter
• 51:27
  in the world. It's going to be fast. But apparently I forget whether
• 51:31
  it was this episode or maybe another reisode, but they were talking about how
• 51:36
  typically Atlantis episodes, more often than SG one, come in short and they
• 51:39
  have to add little scenes and stuff like that, and I think maybe some
• 51:43
  of the landry scenes in this two parts they had to add because the show
• 51:45
  came in short. And I think they've started to realize they have the credit
• 51:49
  of that to just how fast oh really yeah, like because they'll give him
• 51:53
  these big, massive expositions and it's like, well, normally Carter has those
• 51:58
  in SG one, and she talks much more Laura methodical, and it's Daniel
• 52:01
  who does all the speedy talking. Yes, he's not doing all the all
• 52:07
  the all the science jargon and all that kind of stuff. So I think
• 52:10
  they've kind of realized and just just how fast talks and like, I've always
• 52:15
  noticed that he talks fast, but it wasn't until James said that, Okay,
• 52:19
  I'm going to really isolate that while I listened to it and whatever he
• 52:22
  was spitting out like it was some real heavy science mumbo jumbo stuff and I'm
• 52:27
  like, holy shit, you're like you look borderline wrapping here, Like it
• 52:30
  was just so good, so quick? How many like bidding? Was it?
• 52:35
  Dropping poems? Wp? It was very good. I also found out
• 52:39
  pomp poms, you know the cheerlead cheerleader shake, Well, yeah, one's
• 52:45
  a pom. If you just have one, it's just a pom. Chuck
• 52:47
  is the pom. You can't have one pompom. No, you have a
• 52:51
  pom, and then you have pomp poms. Wow. And if you if
• 52:54
  you if you have one English friend, he's a pom. Yeah. And
• 52:59
  if you have two there winging. I think sammies, which is another fantastic
• 53:06
  Everyone thought that's where Brendan fight. I will come clean. My my culs
• 53:10
  de sack knowledge and my pommies knowledge both came from Gilmore girls. That's nice.
• 53:15
  Yeah, our English knowledge comes from cricket and which is a Canadian man
• 53:22
  in an American film. Hey, there was a moment in this episode where
• 53:29
  given that you two a married man and obviously we're not casting dispersions on on
• 53:31
  you not together, but yeah, maybe we should have waited for that.
• 53:36
  I think, yeah, we should. We should have made more sense.
• 53:38
  It made so much sense early and it's illegal, it's against God, but
• 53:44
  now it's legal. The scarier part is you have six kids between you.
• 53:45
  We're that old that we know about, Yeah, well that you know about
• 53:50
  obviously. Yeah, maybe obviously Jesus he met his wife, how we met
• 53:58
  your mother. Yeah, but until he met her, you two are going
• 54:01
  wild. Yeah you should have seen him in Japan, just ripping a tear
• 54:06
  slop. We didn't. It was coming out. As it was coming out,
• 54:15
  I realized it was at this moment he should have pointed out that we
• 54:20
  were skiing. At the time, we were on a skiing holds. This
• 54:22
  moment he knew he fucked up. I forgot to say at our ski that's
• 54:29
  like, I think it was that tough. It was not that bad,
• 54:31
  but like it took you and then even you were like should have given context,
• 54:36
  Like I have never seen you worried about someone misinterpreted because I didn't mean.
• 54:43
  I didn't mean it that way was made more offensive. You've been like,
• 54:46
  there is the more offensive version. I can't remember where it's from,
• 54:49
  but it's like a show for a movie. And by the way, and
• 54:52
  the two people, there's two people of Urian in Asia and they're talking about,
• 54:58
  oh, blah blah blah, Oh you know, you've got a bit
• 55:00
  of a chink in your armor. And then the other person goes, what
• 55:02
  in my armor? And then the other guy yells a chink in the middle
• 55:06
  of a country, and then everyone just turns and looks at him, and
• 55:09
  he's like, oh, no, what have I done. Every time I
• 55:13
  have a board client, at the end of it, I go, anyway,
• 55:15
  I'll get out of your hair. Every time I do the same thing.
• 55:20
  That is. That is usually how I wrap up when I go to
• 55:22
  a client's house. I'm in a person's kitchen and normally go, okay,
• 55:24
  I got the information I need. I'll get out of your hair and get
• 55:27
  back to the office. And the amount of times I have to catch myself
• 55:30
  when it's someone that's balled or you can guess what my tutor in grade nine
• 55:34
  and ten and you can get early on maybe and you can guess what his
• 55:40
  name was. When one day I was there talking about someone that was at
• 55:44
  school and said, he's an absolute Nigel. Ohry, that guy Nigel Middlebrook.
• 55:49
  He was the best man. He was like he was so tall.
• 55:52
  He was yeh tall, Like he was just obviously not a great teacher.
• 55:54
  Wow, he was super smart. It was so smart. He's too smart.
• 56:00
  Yeah, he's one of those guys like but els without like the notoriety.
• 56:07
  It wouldn't surprise me. He probably just came out because my mum make
• 56:09
  great like sweets and stuff. Here's some caramel sliced Nigel. I'm sorry,
• 56:13
  sorry about my sons. You know. Yeah, I feel like he at
• 56:16
  that this is this is a this is a stretch of a seguey, But
• 56:20
  I feel like at that moment he probably felt about you, how Richie and
• 56:22
  Edison feels about Martin Giro. So he comes up and is like this line,
• 56:25
  what is this? What does this lion mean? I was like,
• 56:28
  oh, it's a it's actually about the stape off marshmallow Man and Ghostbusters And
• 56:31
  he's like hmm hm, best we can do? We can do? Do
• 56:37
  you have anything better? And he's like no, that's why I'm here.
• 56:42
  He put his hand in my forehead. How can you resist that? Well,
• 56:45
  I like to close my eyes and think of England. He just kind
• 56:49
  of stared at me for a bit and then wandered off and went and found
• 56:52
  Brad and then those two figured out what to do. That's amazing. That's
• 56:55
  probably my best behind. I've never even heard that before. Really, Yeah,
• 57:00
  so that I closed my eyes, it was originally closed. I closed
• 57:06
  my eyes and think of the stape off marshmallow Man and RDA walks up and
• 57:08
  it's like, bes the best we can do. So you probably you actually
• 57:15
  sat down to write this and that's what you came up with. No,
• 57:16
  no, you can't remember the start of the episode, but recently just happened.
• 57:24
  I can reread it. You know. You don't have to hand it
• 57:28
  in when you hit that last full stop and it's not like a stone,
• 57:31
  like you can rewrite it and no one will know. Not like when we
• 57:35
  were in high school, Like did you ever guys get the real fancy like
• 57:37
  the electric typewriter where it was like it was a typewriter was a word process.
• 57:42
  Well it was a typewriter that you still had to feed the paper into.
• 57:45
  But it would print, but it would and you could like you could
• 57:46
  backspace and you could wipe stuff out, or you like type it all and
• 57:50
  then would print it all out and stuff like that. I think you entered,
• 57:52
  didn't you, and then it would print it. Yeah. Yeah,
• 57:54
  yeah. So if you think about the kids, it's like it's a computer
• 57:58
  without a like writing on a word document without a monitor. I did have
• 58:01
  a tiny screen, didn't it. Mine didn't. I old than you,
• 58:06
  but like I mean like calculator screen, like yeah, I remember those ones.
• 58:10
  But and I was with like, hum, you have to plug it
• 58:14
  into the wall, and I didn't have. I think it was like something
• 58:19
  in the grade six as we're using. Yeah, right, and then we
• 58:22
  couldn't because we're kindergarten or grade one. And then this wasn't that Carmel,
• 58:27
  by the way, should have been there. It should have been would have
• 58:31
  been great. Yeah, we had dos I think, yeah, what what
• 58:37
  that Carmen San Diego game? They used to have that one? Oh yeah,
• 58:40
  I never played that. I don't think I watched the cartoon. I
• 58:45
  was never smart enough to get enough time well that I believe speaking of.
• 58:50
  And this is just circling back to what I was saying before when we started,
• 58:52
  when I started mentioning your lovely wives, not to cast dispersions on them,
• 58:55
  but I feel like there was a moment in this that I feel like
• 58:59
  you guys could probably relate to. We probably did this while watching movie,
• 59:02
  while watching movies together. Yeah, I've been sitting next to you through the
• 59:07
  whole thing. Why do you think I have more information? Where where did
• 59:13
  you get that audio from? Because that sounded nice, just smooth. That
• 59:16
  was just the same way I cut everything else, just off the DVD.
• 59:21
  Lincoln right now is standing up and applauding because he has complained to me about
• 59:27
  the idea of like them both watching the same But it actually it actually is
• 59:31
  longer. Can you play my number three? Because you can kind of?
• 59:37
  I cut it up. So they all sounded kind of from from the very
• 59:43
  start. Even that sounded like another explosion. Yes, yes, what does
• 59:53
  that mean? Something exploding? But is it Shepherd attacking the replicators? So
• 1:00:00
  the replicators attacking Shepherd will find out even get here to the gate, I've
• 1:00:07
  been sitting next to you. Yeah, that's so true, though, Why
• 1:00:12
  do you think I have more information? Look like old Julian wasn't good she's
• 1:00:19
  seeping back in a couple of hours. That gives them a good eleven seconds.
• 1:00:29
  I'm like, sorry, Brendan, you had named that one. When
• 1:00:34
  you watch a movie with your girl, you both came at that scene with
• 1:00:37
  exactly the same must must be that line. I've been here the same time,
• 1:00:42
  just sitting next to you, like, why do you think I have
• 1:00:45
  more information than I've got? Another one, but with that relating to the
• 1:00:49
  similar subject, with those two acting like a pair. This one is when
• 1:00:53
  your girl doesn't order want to order any food at the drive through, but
• 1:00:58
  she'll just have some of yours. Thank god, I'm starting's dobing. Was
• 1:01:07
  this all you could find? No? Actually there was a lovely buffe.
• 1:01:12
  I might have told you guys about this just recently. But there was a
• 1:01:15
  fantastic TikTok I watched and it was a guy pulled an uner reverse. Oh
• 1:01:17
  no, I was about to bring up the same thing, a TikTok trend
• 1:01:21
  that's going around, like the husband test or some shit. No, No,
• 1:01:22
  so there's that's something else. There's one. There's one where people will
• 1:01:25
  set up a camera and it's like the wife will try and eat at the
• 1:01:29
  speed of her husband, it nearly chokes. And then a guy will try
• 1:01:32
  and eat at the speed of his wife and just like dive yeah, but
• 1:01:36
  no. The TikTok is a guy pulled an uner reverse on his wife.
• 1:01:39
  So it's like that he went in to get some takeout and she said she
• 1:01:45
  wanted this or whatever. He went in and got just hers, didn't get
• 1:01:49
  anything for himself, got back in the car, gave it to her and
• 1:01:52
  then she said, she's like, where's yours. He's like, I didn't
• 1:01:54
  get in and it wasn't hungry, and she refused to eat what was in
• 1:01:58
  front of her because she didn't want to be the only one eating. I
• 1:02:01
  said that one. That's what that's the idea. Is it like they don't
• 1:02:06
  want you to think they're a fat pig even though they are, like we
• 1:02:08
  are. I would love to see the smudge on the wall that will be
• 1:02:14
  left behind of you if you tried to call your wife a fat bitch like
• 1:02:17
  that would be a less fat bitch? Yeah, or would you say sorry,
• 1:02:21
  fat pig pighea, same thing. That's what I'm phrasing what my wife's
• 1:02:27
  told me. I don't know, I feel like you know, I feel
• 1:02:30
  like women are hell to a much higher beauty standards. They internalize that and
• 1:02:35
  that's why, you know, you know, speaking in general, sense,
• 1:02:37
  a lot of them going you know, the crazy diets and deprive themselves of
• 1:02:40
  food. So if someone else is having foods like, oh, I'll just
• 1:02:44
  have three chips off yours, especially when you the relationship and you're trying to
• 1:02:47
  impress them, Yeah, I would. I would much allow rather sit down
• 1:02:51
  the woman who could just like demolish a steak versus one they just have a
• 1:02:53
  salad. Salad absolutely get sky Stargate. Does anyone remember the moment in this
• 1:03:00
  episode where like we are saved the day? Remember that part because obviously there
• 1:03:05
  was the part. There was the part where like you know, it was
• 1:03:07
  her idea and then right at the end, like you know, they said
• 1:03:12
  everything, everything was fine, but you know, Coldwell still wasn't having a
• 1:03:15
  bar of it until our wonderful world's best negotiator managed to find a way around
• 1:03:21
  it. Jack O'Neill, Sir, I have an incoming message from Atlantis.
• 1:03:24
  Atlantis is the Replicators. It has Colonel Shepard's authentication code. Put a channel,
• 1:03:31
  Colonel, I'd like to leave. This is you. It is education
• 1:03:35
  code alpha adulta Charlie nineer six. That code is no longer valid. Colonel
• 1:03:39
  Caldwell, General Jack O'Neill here, that ballid enough for you. You may
• 1:03:46
  have been compromised, sir Well lowering the city shields, Stephen, what a
• 1:03:52
  great compromise. Check us out if you need to explain everything. Meanwhile,
• 1:03:58
  he shoots the out of him with the dead because that's his standing orders an
• 1:04:01
  interesting Yeah. In fairness, I think that's almost I'm having to go weird.
• 1:04:08
  But I do think that is arguably the worst thing that you could have
• 1:04:11
  said. It's like, I don't believe it's you. What I'm here and
• 1:04:13
  I don't believe that's you. She's like, why don't you come down where
• 1:04:15
  you'd be most vulnerable and will prove that we're us. No, she was
• 1:04:19
  like, we're gonna be and show. Yeah, but that's what he should
• 1:04:21
  have been thinking. No, no, because she started with we're going to
• 1:04:25
  do an act of good faith and we're going to lower our shielding to so
• 1:04:29
  that you can bombard us from space. If you want to think of the
• 1:04:33
  horrific aftermath of what could possibly happen. She isn't very good at there.
• 1:04:40
  There were three men throwing their dicks around like one with his that ballad enough
• 1:04:45
  for you, Jack O'Neill. Yeah, but I mean first it was first
• 1:04:49
  it was Shepherd. He flopped his little dick out on the table and said,
• 1:04:54
  we're fine, and then O'Neil, and then O'Neill's are like Jack O'Neill
• 1:04:59
  flops out his foot long that valid enough for you as it thumps on the
• 1:05:02
  desk, and I felt the thumb. Yeah. Still, well, I've
• 1:05:09
  got a deadalous sized dick that I'm flopping out here, going you know,
• 1:05:13
  well what And then it's we are And you should see the look of that
• 1:05:18
  clip me drunk carndouge, wait till next week's episode, will talk the while.
• 1:05:25
  Yeah, you talk about it in large clip in next week's Jesus Hey,
• 1:05:32
  So I've I've got to work around for you guys, well then for
• 1:05:35
  me personally, and I guess too in the fact that I really really do
• 1:05:39
  enjoy this episode for the most part, countering the fact that I really really,
• 1:05:43
  really really really don't like Martin giro. So here's a couple of things
• 1:05:46
  for anyone who's in the same situation as me. One the gate Bridge idea
• 1:05:50
  was actually Joe Malozzi's that's fine. Uh, then we've got this being owed
• 1:05:56
  to Brad. Brad rights, yes, but there was an interesting contact.
• 1:06:02
  Brad had this idea of encountering a ship in space that was going very very
• 1:06:06
  very close to the speed of late. So that whole thing about the ship
• 1:06:11
  and that was all Brad's idea. Brad Turner, No, Brad right,
• 1:06:15
  which, by the way, last episode for Brad Turner, this was his
• 1:06:18
  last of forteen episodes he directed. Yeah. I had to listen to that
• 1:06:25
  a couple of times. That that whole sequence of you know, traveling Traveler,
• 1:06:30
  the Doppler affair. It was just yeah and a lot. I don't
• 1:06:32
  know that I've ever It's probably come up in the show before, but maybe
• 1:06:35
  I haven't really thought about it the sense where they thought, hey, they're
• 1:06:40
  traveling a million things, a point nine to nine or whatever it is,
• 1:06:43
  and but it's all relatives. They're only going to experience like a loss of
• 1:06:45
  you know what, twelve years or whatever they said or something. Was just
• 1:06:47
  like, hang on, wait a minute, rewind to the start of this
• 1:06:50
  scene. You need to watch the Cumberbatch document or the Steven what's his name
• 1:06:56
  Stephen Orkan because he can't talk good. They got coumber bats to do it.
• 1:07:01
  It's awesome. It describes all of that. That's gravity wells. And
• 1:07:05
  that's weird considering that cumba bats can't pronounce the word penguin. Yeah, we
• 1:07:10
  also say penguin weird. If you want to just eve it hawking, you
• 1:07:13
  just have to. I legal your lips like you talk. That's that's also
• 1:07:16
  what that is. That's a stereotype. A little dif born in Kent talk
• 1:07:23
  with an American accent is pretentious. I jumped on conversion dot com. Just
• 1:07:30
  on the whole, just on the whole. Ninety nine point nine nine nine
• 1:07:33
  light speed, all that kind of stuff. Uh. The time elapsed on
• 1:07:39
  board the Trea due to the time dilation caused by traveling at ninety nine point
• 1:07:43
  nine percent light speed, assuming they left Atlantis ten thousand years ago, would
• 1:07:46
  be four hundred and forty seven point one oh one eight years. Compounding the
• 1:07:50
  slowest aging effects of using the ancient stasis pod around one apparent year to two
• 1:07:56
  hundred actual years, the crew of the Tria would in total have a around
• 1:08:00
  two years and three months. Oh wow, that's cool. I didn't conversion
• 1:08:04
  work. I didn't do any of that. That was just so off the
• 1:08:06
  trivia. But I just does that does that mean if they so, I'm
• 1:08:11
  just trying to figure out if they're in the POD's day on the age by
• 1:08:13
  that much, but if they, Because what the idea is if you go
• 1:08:16
  so close to the speed of light time is time slows down because you can't.
• 1:08:21
  That's like a universal speed limit. You can't break it unless you go
• 1:08:27
  subspace, which is what we do is go into dimensionally or I don't even
• 1:08:30
  know what. Yeah, we're going to subspace and that and that takes the
• 1:08:34
  time dilation relativity out out of that effect. We don't experience the time dilation
• 1:08:39
  effects. Yeah, time time on the ship was probably like twelve years it
• 1:08:45
  was would have been. I don't I can't read which way it works,
• 1:08:48
  but obviously they were traveling. They were traveling from they were traveling from the
• 1:08:54
  Pegas's galaxy to the Milky Way. So they've been traveling for ten thousand years.
• 1:08:59
  They got halfway. Yeah, well no, they got a third of
• 1:09:01
  the way. Because it says there were a million light years from Pegasus and
• 1:09:06
  like I was saying before, between Pegas and the Milky Way's three million light
• 1:09:10
  years, so there are a third of the way in ten thousand years.
• 1:09:13
  But I don't know whether it's explicitly said in the episode, but I think
• 1:09:15
  whoever wrote this piece of trivia is working under the assumption that given that it's
• 1:09:18
  an Orion class ship, it had those stasis pods like the other one,
• 1:09:24
  the Aurora. Aurora got to have done that. Now assuming yeah, assuming
• 1:09:33
  the crew were all in pods, because that the message that we get from
• 1:09:38
  Captain Hellier isn't really like them talking in real time. So I think that
• 1:09:43
  might be the people are making the recording because she's in stasis, and they
• 1:09:47
  may say they have to wake them up. I don't know. Again,
• 1:09:49
  that would have been a great scene to see. But also the time dilation
• 1:09:56
  could have also been the reason why it had to be recording and wasn't a
• 1:09:58
  live feed, because had you talk to someone experiencing time at a different rate
• 1:10:01
  to you, Yeah, but yeah, obviously, like, yeah, be
• 1:10:05
  a great bit of technology in in of itself. What was that that you're
• 1:10:11
  able to travel at that speed and still broadcast to beacon? Yeah, and
• 1:10:16
  blowing it down. I don't even know how you would capture obviously the the
• 1:10:19
  like the shea, the ship itself, like new to like slam on the
• 1:10:23
  brakes and yeah yeah, and take me out of you know, didn't they
• 1:10:29
  say something crazy, something crazy? Oh they're slowing down they're now at twenty
• 1:10:32
  seven or something like that. Yeah, holy shits, Like dude, yeah
• 1:10:38
  no, but I did like all that stuff. Yeah, So then just
• 1:10:41
  getting back on the Giro train and get back on the gear just you know,
• 1:10:45
  other parts you can enjoy of the episode that I had nothing to do
• 1:10:47
  with. Martin Ghiro. Also, just as my writing credit came up,
• 1:10:50
  I'd like to say that for these episodes more so than really any other ones,
• 1:10:56
  these are essentially team stories. You don't feel you deserve. No,
• 1:11:00
  I don't know anyway, Well, in some way I wrote someone had to
• 1:11:04
  sit down, pound pound out the dialogue and uh but I am more than
• 1:11:11
  glad to pick up the check. Yeah, a piece of ships. He's
• 1:11:20
  so much more like there's still self awareness. They're like, yeah, may
• 1:11:26
  may I present another piece of evidence to the court. Thank you? I
• 1:11:30
  mean you you're trying to surpass your own evidence, compounding it. Yeah,
• 1:11:43
  the opening credits don't have much to say about those. Why don't here's a
• 1:11:49
  fun game. Why don't you guys do some commentary? Ready begin now.
• 1:11:55
  I don't have anything to say about the opening credits. You just interrupted them.
• 1:11:58
  They were they were ment them. Oh really, can I shut up?
• 1:12:03
  That's a good point. I never thought I would not know that about
• 1:12:08
  the process of filmmaking. The process of filmmaking, Jason Mamore really cinema very
• 1:12:13
  tay, that's what that was giving. Yes, I agree that come man
• 1:12:18
  sucked. Wow. All right, that's a kids could watch this. We're
• 1:12:27
  going to redo the credits next year. We should renew the opening credits the
• 1:12:30
  return part two. Actually, speaking of the filmmaking process, how do we
• 1:12:38
  feel about like once you get to the reveal at the end of like,
• 1:12:40
  oh no, this is the Ocean's eleven plan all along? I had a
• 1:12:44
  note I was going to ask you about just that we are the rewinding effect.
• 1:12:46
  I don't know that I like the rewinding effect of it all, like
• 1:12:48
  I love it was to dumb it down for everybody. I only went through
• 1:12:51
  several iterations. There was like a there was like a glowy white light as
• 1:12:57
  this sort of time came to a to a halt and It's apparently gave off
• 1:13:00
  the vibe that it's like it was like ancient powers, that they were reversing
• 1:13:03
  time or something like that. So they apparently did several rations to try and
• 1:13:08
  just show that, you know, the show was just rewarding to show us
• 1:13:11
  the audience. Yeah, and it wasn't something that was actually happening in real
• 1:13:14
  time. I was at the time. I went from one room to another,
• 1:13:15
  so I was carrying my laptop which I was watching the episode on,
• 1:13:19
  and he wasn't like as I sort of like, as I moved, and
• 1:13:23
  I thought that I brushed something the keys, and it's like what I touch?
• 1:13:30
  What I touched? My hang on, I'll just let this play out
• 1:13:32
  and see whether it's real. And of course it was. And I'm like,
• 1:13:34
  okay, now I've actually got to go back and watch this as a
• 1:13:38
  choice in the editing room too, like I don't mind the Hey, this
• 1:13:43
  is actually what happened. Like And one thing I did, like a good
• 1:13:46
  example, I think is the Modern Ocean to eleven, the George Clooney one,
• 1:13:50
  where you do it it's like you see something in the modern Yeah for
• 1:13:57
  us years ago, Yeah, for the kids, it's like that's the old
• 1:14:02
  old movie. Yeah, and I guess the modern one would be Ocean's eight,
• 1:14:06
  the Kate Blanchet Sandra Bullock one. Did they do that kind of revealing
• 1:14:10
  that one? I can't remember. Did anyone watch that? I didn't mind
• 1:14:13
  it. She did not mind that. She really I think it's a very
• 1:14:15
  much like and not to derail the conversation, but it's very much like the
• 1:14:18
  whole Captain Marvel thing, where it's like the movie itself was really really good,
• 1:14:21
  it was just the way they marketed to be like look at us,
• 1:14:24
  We're a bunch of strong women. That that's not what the movie was at
• 1:14:28
  all, like where you know, like the Captain Marvel of it all,
• 1:14:30
  like the very first Captain Marvel very much was a bit warm of Hey,
• 1:14:32
  I'm a woman and I'm doing stuff and that's okay too, whereas Oceans eight
• 1:14:36
  was they just happened to be women, and they just happen to know other
• 1:14:40
  women, you know, like Santra Bullock was George Clerney, she knew Brad
• 1:14:43
  Pitt, which was Kate Blanchett, and you know, I thought, oh,
• 1:14:46
  yeah, they had eight, and then they're going to do nine and
• 1:14:48
  ten. Then we've obviously got eleven, twelve, thirteen, bring them together
• 1:14:51
  for Ocean's four. Yeah, Cedra Bulg's character was playing. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:14:59
  it's the same way that Oceans eleven didn't actively pick all men. Obviously.
• 1:15:03
  It was a bit weird. Was at twelve or thirteen where they're like,
• 1:15:05
  oh, we need a woman, and that's when they Jones and Robert.
• 1:15:10
  She played more of a role, played herself. Yeah, that was
• 1:15:14
  weird. I was stupid. Although you know, by the time I didn't
• 1:15:15
  watch number two until three came out. Number two by that stage was like
• 1:15:18
  the Rocky five or the where it's like Superman four, whereas, like I'd
• 1:15:26
  heard, they are the abomination of cinema. So by the time I actually
• 1:15:29
  watched them, like, it's actually not as bad as well as expected.
• 1:15:30
  Super four was the bomb. Yeah. So I would say three is the
• 1:15:33
  word. I would say Oceans. I would say Oceans eight is actually better
• 1:15:36
  than twelve or thirteen. I really I would. I would go Oceans eleven,
• 1:15:40
  Oceans eight, and then I would go the other time. I might
• 1:15:42
  go eleven, eleven, thirteen, eight, and then and then then twelve.
• 1:15:46
  That's fair. Yeah, I still did hate twelve, but yeah,
• 1:15:49
  I actually liked, which they made more. Eleven was the best, and
• 1:15:53
  then twelve they went a different direction. That was one with Latino's. I
• 1:16:00
  think I've watched it on the most because twelve twelve was Europe, wasn't it.
• 1:16:02
  Yeah, it was thirty buildings or some shit. Thirteen was the I
• 1:16:05
  mean you had Vincent Cassell, who was the great French like acrobatic thief.
• 1:16:10
  He was brilliant. He came back in the in thirteen. I thought he
• 1:16:13
  was a great villain if you can have a villain. But yeah, yeah,
• 1:16:17
  how good. Yeah. I just thought that was a weird, just
• 1:16:21
  the rewind effect, and I think was something like it that The Oceans,
• 1:16:26
  especially that first one where you see something as in real time with it and
• 1:16:31
  our time, right in the presence of a day, and then you're like,
• 1:16:34
  hang on what and then they go back and they show you where they
• 1:16:38
  did it, not in a ha we're writing this as we go along.
• 1:16:41
  It was like, no, that's why we did it. Back then,
• 1:16:42
  it was very subtle, and now if you go back and rewatch it,
• 1:16:45
  because there are certainly ways in movies and TV where they just seemed to throw
• 1:16:47
  a haha that happened before it's like, no, it didn't. Now you're
• 1:16:51
  rewriting your retconning that scene. Sometimes they just they do go back and they
• 1:16:56
  don't tell you, and it's just back to that scene again. And what
• 1:17:00
  whereas this like the previously on almost the flashback moments, you were watching the
• 1:17:03
  actual flashback moments that you saw in the episode, and then they would also
• 1:17:08
  shove in one or two extras that were in between those scenes so not to
• 1:17:12
  reveal. I don't know, I actually quite liked that reveal begin and I
• 1:17:15
  don't know where. I like what they knew with it because the fact that
• 1:17:16
  they used Woolsey's stupidity, yes, as part of the plan as well.
• 1:17:19
  I really really bought if it was just Jack would have been like yeah,
• 1:17:23
  but the fact that they said, oh, Jack was kind of onto the
• 1:17:25
  yea, there was something not quite right there. But then Woolsey bought it,
• 1:17:28
  you know, and then Jack was strong enough because he's experienced it before
• 1:17:31
  to correct. Yeah, resist a little bit. In the commentary, they're
• 1:17:34
  like, oh, no, wonder why like that? That ain't that replicat.
• 1:17:38
  I only went like one knuckle deep in in he's worse than that.
• 1:17:42
  But on that line, I know we covered it before that when he's like
• 1:17:45
  I just close my eyes and think of England. They're so random? What
• 1:17:48
  does that mean? Not good at all? So it's but I mean,
• 1:17:51
  I guess we didn't. We didn't discuss it. Is that better or worse
• 1:17:55
  than the original state buff state blush marshmallow line. I would have said,
• 1:17:58
  like mud, Margaret Thatcher and baseball. Then you're referencing a Canadian comedian.
• 1:18:03
  That's that's powers. Yeah, yeah, that's just me. I just thought
• 1:18:08
  it was such like it was such an offense that like it was just like
• 1:18:12
  I may think of anything else you half with And I actually kind of liked
• 1:18:16
  that. It was very I just I thought Jack, not to give credit
• 1:18:18
  to the Giro, I thought Jack was very well written in this episode,
• 1:18:21
  and I thought he was very well and well played. But like they were
• 1:18:27
  just I just think, like I said, if there, if this was
• 1:18:29
  his sendoff from the entire franchise, I wouldn't have been I don't think he
• 1:18:33
  I don't think he was disserviced absolutely, And then ida I think that moment
• 1:18:36
  where he gets to Tom Cruiser and actually be filmed underwater doing stuff, I'm
• 1:18:42
  like, oh, yeah, it's because you watch him, Yeah, you
• 1:18:45
  watch him in the last season and a half worth of SG one, and
• 1:18:47
  I'm like, I just feel like you just showed up to set and went,
• 1:18:50
  I don't want to be jumping on the ground and firing off prop guns
• 1:18:53
  anymore. I just can't bet. My knees are sore. Okay, I
• 1:18:55
  just want to stand in a uniform. I don't want to do any of
• 1:18:58
  that. And in this they make him go underwater for a ten minute period.
• 1:19:01
  Yeah. I know that he's not holding it like Tom Cruise in one
• 1:19:04
  shot for five minutes at a time, but he still obviously did a fair
• 1:19:09
  bit of work to do it, and he looked good doing it. It
• 1:19:11
  was like Harrison Ford in his early eighties playing Indiana Jones, going, you
• 1:19:14
  still have to ride a horse and jump out of a plane and you're going
• 1:19:16
  to look like an old man doing it. Yeah. He was younger in
• 1:19:20
  this episode than he has in the last two years worth of this. This
• 1:19:23
  is something obviously I touched on it a bit in two hundred and obviously didn't
• 1:19:26
  want to give away this reveal for you in this episode back when we did
• 1:19:29
  two hundred, but there was a bit of audio I played about how Adier
• 1:19:32
  was talking with Cooper and right and they say, yeah, we can bring
• 1:19:35
  it with two hundred. We can you know, put you in for you
• 1:19:38
  a scene here, and we can get you in and out in a day.
• 1:19:40
  And he was like, no, no, I want to come and
• 1:19:41
  play. Yeah, he was, you know, he wanted to. And
• 1:19:44
  they even wrote in the line in this in this two parta about how like
• 1:19:47
  O'Neil kind of had that whole big thing about well, you know, I
• 1:19:50
  tried retiring the boy. Was that that was very welf cracked up to be,
• 1:19:54
  yeah, very self refreshable to this. Yeah, and just to take
• 1:19:56
  some of the credit away from Giro what he I forget it was in the
• 1:20:00
  commentary or in one of the special features, he actually did say Brad Wright
• 1:20:02
  wrote most of the O'Neil stuff because or at least took a pass on it
• 1:20:06
  after Geiro had written it. Because you can imagine, yeah, because Giro
• 1:20:11
  like doesn't know O'Neill's voice. So Brad on the show, Yeah like surely
• 1:20:16
  they've got tapes. Yeah yeah, well yeah, well, I mean it
• 1:20:25
  wasn't the first time that Geiro was putting words in O'Neill's mouth. Also,
• 1:20:29
  for those of you listening very carefully, you heard General O'Neill say he was
• 1:20:36
  like, all right, we're going in there. He had never performed that
• 1:20:41
  sigh, and I needed I thought you needed that beat of him deciding that
• 1:20:44
  he was going to do it. And of course, mister Richard Danersen is
• 1:20:46
  far too busy for me to bring in a sigh. So that sigh,
• 1:20:51
  ladies and gentlemen, is me your dear friend Martin Garrow. Mister, so
• 1:20:58
  I'd like to think of the performance as hours work together. If he finds
• 1:21:03
  out you did that. By the way, but as you said, he
• 1:21:06
  doesn't listen to these Rememoner Listena introduced us to the term douche chills. Yeah,
• 1:21:13
  that was about me. I get douche chills every time you hear Martain
• 1:21:16
  Grospe that was your mate, Eddie Fusco was Eddie fusk Yeah it doesn't bother
• 1:21:26
  me. Oh, go for it, obvious because you remember it. Oh
• 1:21:30
  okay, I was gonna make a dead mom joke, but I won't go
• 1:21:33
  there. Uh. I'm glad I thought mine was the worst comment. He
• 1:21:41
  could have his have his way with my mum and necrophiling. It's going to
• 1:21:44
  get through my Auntie. Now she's buried on top of us, so really
• 1:21:47
  odd choice. Yeah, it's been well over eleven seconds. Yes, but
• 1:21:55
  you've been ignoring the dramatic element of suspense there, sir. See Thank god
• 1:22:05
  it best we're here. You're late, Sorry, sir, go into space
• 1:22:13
  and pick up some frozen goods. Whatever? Where are you now? We're
• 1:22:18
  headed toward an underwater jumper bay, Well, what we think maybe an underwater
• 1:22:23
  jumper be? Is that doctor weir out here? In general, it's good
• 1:22:28
  to hear your voice too. I didn't say it was good, so am
• 1:22:32
  I to assume you are not surrounded by heavily armed SG teams and young strapping
• 1:22:38
  marine. You've got Colonel Shepherd, Ronan Taylor McKay, myself and doctor Beckett.
• 1:22:44
  Woo, doctor Beckett? Is it well? I'm comforted? Was I
• 1:22:49
  supposed to be? We've got plans, sir, good one. Yes,
• 1:22:55
  Colonel, I'm sure you do. But in the unlikely event you don't fail
• 1:23:00
  miserably, you're fired. Yes, sir, look for into that. They
• 1:23:08
  have a plan so many he's in fine form. Wouldn't be him with the
• 1:23:14
  Simpsons reference there? If you fired? I do like that. He said
• 1:23:17
  that they have a plan line as if Wolvesey couldn't hear the whole conversation of
• 1:23:21
  the walkie talking, but just the way that he saw I'm like, if
• 1:23:24
  that was all done through headphones or something, he would deliver that line exactly
• 1:23:27
  the same way. He's like, oh no, it will be okay,
• 1:23:29
  just what everything I just said. But it works for the whole conversation that
• 1:23:34
  had before that of him having to explain everything that's happening. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:23:39
  he would be the perfect time for Wolsey to go. I was sitting
• 1:23:42
  right next Yeah yeah, Now, I know we've been here for forever,
• 1:23:46
  but I do want to quickly just rapid fire through some little trivia bits since
• 1:23:49
  I was get in trouble for it. Uh. This is the first time
• 1:23:53
  I believe we see Aza in Atlantis, when we see Shepherd using a z
• 1:23:58
  in the SGC to take care of that that one guy. And like you've
• 1:24:01
  said many many times, Brene, it would have like so many problems could
• 1:24:04
  have been solved on Atlantis if they just took some zats with them, but
• 1:24:08
  we never see that that on Atlantis. Again, I believe we're the exterior
• 1:24:13
  of Weir's apartment when we cut to being depressed. That's Tilk's apartment from Infinity.
• 1:24:16
  I would have, by the way, I would have got into those
• 1:24:18
  tracking decks for sure. Well we've never said you wouldn't you just you just
• 1:24:25
  wouldn't let us speak? Is the problem I can't speak. Is as long
• 1:24:31
  as look, as long as you're getting consent first, then you can do
• 1:24:34
  it. You can scream. Someone pointed out that. Someone that pointed out
• 1:24:43
  that obviously after Shepherd blew up the control room, the Replications had to rebuild
• 1:24:48
  everything, which they would have had to have rebuilt the control crystal to allow
• 1:24:53
  us to dial Earth again. But someone also pointed out, what were the
• 1:24:58
  what were they doing? Like they attacked Atlantis not knowing that there were ancients
• 1:25:02
  there, like the Replicators when they left their planet to come to Atlantis,
• 1:25:06
  they planned on taking out us. Yeah, right, so they get there
• 1:25:11
  there's ancients instead, like we rewrote our code. Yeah, they destroyed the
• 1:25:16
  ancients, took over the city, but never dialed Earth, never tried to
• 1:25:20
  attack Earth. I guess they don't care. Well, then why did they
• 1:25:24
  attack us though? You know what I mean? Because were they going to
• 1:25:27
  destroy Atlantis? Yeah? You want to destroy Atlantis and Earth because we were
• 1:25:30
  like retributions, We were the preferred children. I mean, you couldn't hide
• 1:25:34
  behind when Oberos said when we first met him, you know, when he
• 1:25:36
  was like, oh, we'll take care of of the Wraith at a time
• 1:25:39
  of our choosing. Potentially it was the same thing the Ancient the Replicators just
• 1:25:44
  going to wait until they did whatever they needed to do and then attack Earth,
• 1:25:48
  and we just happened to get to them first. But it is very
• 1:25:50
  strange they didn't just continue their assault and go through the gate and take out
• 1:25:55
  us as well. Was that obvious that I've never even thought of that that
• 1:25:58
  those guys just to get here as much as the Wraith, Yeah, or
• 1:26:03
  even ate or even care about it. While would they care because they cared
• 1:26:08
  enough to attack. That's the thing. I think the idea is they wanted
• 1:26:10
  to attack Atlantis because that was Daddy's take it. Destroy the ship out and
• 1:26:15
  destroy the crap out of the favorite Son. But they rebuilt it. They
• 1:26:18
  rebuilt it land you know, I agree, But and then that's it.
• 1:26:23
  They never thought of them coming to Earth. Yeah, what point would they
• 1:26:28
  have to be in Atlantis because they have one hundred Atlantis is back on their
• 1:26:31
  home Planet. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:26:34
  so I don't know that. Even in the previously on SG one,
• 1:26:39
  he's saying for We're going to destroy Atlantis for retribution, yeah, literally in
• 1:26:44
  this episode. So it was weird for them to then rebuild it. Yeah
• 1:26:46
  yeah, yeah, that did make sense. This apparently broke the record for
• 1:26:51
  SG one. The cool shot we got of Midway Station, the big panning
• 1:26:56
  shot. It's funny to think about it now, but it cost them a
• 1:26:59
  fortune. It looked great. It was the longest CGI shot they've ever done.
• 1:27:02
  It was twenty seconds long. Wow. They do break it at the
• 1:27:05
  end of this season with probably my favorite episode of the entire Atlanta series,
• 1:27:12
  where they do it like a minute long. I think it is cgo thing.
• 1:27:15
  But yeah, that shot circling around Midway was fantastic. And the other
• 1:27:18
  shot, I think it's a new establishing shot of Atlantis where it was like
• 1:27:21
  all half in mist When you see it at the start, it's all like
• 1:27:25
  fog has rolled in and stuff. I don't remember seeing that before, but
• 1:27:28
  I absolutely love that Rodney was right. Rodney in both this universe and an
• 1:27:33
  Alternate universe slash reality slash timeline whatever you want to call it. Both times
• 1:27:38
  has referred to the puddle jumpers as gateships. Yeah, and what do the
• 1:27:43
  replicators call them? Gateships? So Rodney was right? Justice for Rodney.
• 1:27:49
  The puddle jumpers are mad. Yeah, that's such a cool name. Yeah,
• 1:27:54
  yeah, exactly. I referenced last week or the week before, I
• 1:27:58
  guess with the Return and we talked about there was the the writer's room was
• 1:28:01
  talking about the whole part one Part two? Can you have the Quest Part
• 1:28:04
  one on the Quest Part two? Oh? Yeah, maybe we might have
• 1:28:08
  to in this podcast. Yeah, I found I found the audio the Return
• 1:28:12
  Part two. Didn't we get in trouble for calling a return part one?
• 1:28:16
  Part one? Or was that on st one? And why would you try?
• 1:28:21
  They said, they said you can't call it was in the case of
• 1:28:24
  best you one, it was the Quest, the Quest part one, in
• 1:28:26
  the Quest Part two, they said, you can't call it the Quest part
• 1:28:28
  one. You can call it the Quest, and then the second one can
• 1:28:30
  be the Quest part two. Who said that that's some crazy person in post
• 1:28:33
  production. That's ridiculous. We do it all the time. Some crazy person
• 1:28:38
  in post production? Then who was that? That's Paul Mully? And and
• 1:28:44
  so here it was the Quest, Quest Part two was the Return Part one,
• 1:28:47
  Return Return Return Part two is the Quest Part one and the Quest Part
• 1:28:54
  two. And then somebody in post production was like, you can't have the
• 1:28:56
  Quest Part one, No you can. I'm pretty sure they did it with
• 1:28:59
  a turn. I think I'm pretty sure was part one and part two.
• 1:29:01
  Yeah. Yeah, see, I think I like even Heroes would have been
• 1:29:04
  part one and part two. Yeah it was. Yeah. See I think
• 1:29:06
  I like I'd like this style where you think you're getting a complete I think
• 1:29:13
  I do. I think that's what I prefer is not knowing ahead of time.
• 1:29:15
  I'm not going to get a complete story. Yeah, but yeah,
• 1:29:18
  these days it's almost impossible not to see it. Oh, I know,
• 1:29:21
  I know next to it. Yeah, you know, I know that,
• 1:29:25
  like you're watching a DVD or something like that, or like an episode title.
• 1:29:28
  But I don't know. I feel like I try to. I get
• 1:29:30
  really annoyed when I'm watching something with my kids and on Netflix or whatever,
• 1:29:32
  and you know the episode will finish. Maybe it's on Netflix. This is
• 1:29:35
  specific. I'm talking about Stan or the Symptoms on Disney Plus, and an
• 1:29:40
  episode will finish and it will bring up, heg do you want to click
• 1:29:43
  straight through it? Do you want to watch the credits? But while it's
• 1:29:44
  waiting for you to make that decision and counting down to the auto click through,
• 1:29:47
  it has the name and the synopsis of the next episode, and my
• 1:29:50
  oldest boy will read out what the next episode is about. I'm like,
• 1:29:54
  just shut up, just watch it, going to know what to expect.
• 1:29:58
  Shit, it's I've seen this thing thirty years ago. It doesn't bother me.
• 1:30:02
  But I also like, especially the Simpsons where resets to zero exactly,
• 1:30:06
  I'm like, but something about I'm like, no, I want you to
• 1:30:10
  experience it for the first time, you know. And then he becomes Woolsey
• 1:30:13
  where he's asking me questions and I'm like, dude, pretend I've never seen
• 1:30:15
  Wait till the episode wreseees ned Flander's wife get killed. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:30:19
  exactly, and the reset to zero. So much after that, I've only
• 1:30:24
  got a couple more. There was a quick reference to Beckett and Cadman didn't
• 1:30:28
  work out, so that was back. There's so much compact, Yeah,
• 1:30:33
  I mean it felt like a movie. They were just covering the bass,
• 1:30:35
  like they just crammed in so much without making it feel rushed. I don't
• 1:30:40
  know if that actress became unavailable, kind of like when they had to write
• 1:30:43
  Scara out and they gave him sort of that episode because the actor was becoming
• 1:30:45
  unavailable. But they just mentioned in dialogue that Beckett and Beckett and Cadman didn't
• 1:30:48
  work out. Now shout out to a friend of the show, member of
• 1:30:54
  the team, Jacob and his girlfriend Chopper I Ellen, Sorry, Chopper iPhone
• 1:30:57
  Ellen. They just watched the Return part one or two just recently and sent
• 1:31:01
  me a message. Ellen spotted a fantastic because she's great. It's like you
• 1:31:08
  guys would hate. She's the opposite of what we were saying before about you
• 1:31:11
  have the same information as I do. You would hate watching herself next to
• 1:31:14
  Ellen because five minutes in she knows the plot. She'll tell you, oh,
• 1:31:17
  this is gonna happen, This is gonna happen, this is gonna happen,
• 1:31:19
  and she gives way. So luckily jacs are one. She spotted a
• 1:31:24
  fantastic plot hole that know that we haven't spoken about. When the puddle Jumper
• 1:31:28
  is flying around Atlantis and there's the drones chasing it, the puddle Jumper goes
• 1:31:33
  under the water and the drones peel away and don't pursue it underwater. But
• 1:31:39
  then later on, yeah, they use the drones to shoot out underwater.
• 1:31:44
  Yeah, shoot out the star drive or whatever. So Ellen pointed that out
• 1:31:46
  and I was like, oh, I hadn't watched the episode yet, So
• 1:31:48
  I'm like, okay, I'll you know, I don't have any any concept
• 1:31:51
  because I haven't watched this episode in years. I'll watch it, then I'll
• 1:31:54
  get back to you and kids. This is why physical media is the way
• 1:31:58
  to go, because didn't you get gold, like the audio commentary that explains
• 1:32:03
  these things for you. Now, here's a problem. Why don't the drones
• 1:32:09
  go underwater? And in the in the script and we shot it right after,
• 1:32:14
  there's a scene that explains that the replicators think the ship crashed and yeah,
• 1:32:19
  for us basically, and I had to cut that scene because for reasons
• 1:32:24
  I can't get into, it was not good. So uh, it was
• 1:32:29
  unfortunate because later we later we them go underwater, but that's later. By
• 1:32:32
  then you've forgotten, you know, with the youth today and there are short
• 1:32:36
  attention spans and the MTV and the whatnot. The youth today, Yeah,
• 1:32:42
  hell, this is when we did have better attention spans. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:32:45
  so I the subtext I read from that is potentially the two guys that
• 1:32:50
  were playing like those random replicators. You know, there's two recurror guys.
• 1:32:54
  I'm assuming they just didn't a very good job of acting. Of acting.
• 1:32:58
  Maybe it was a bit too and they went no, we can't, we
• 1:33:00
  can't do that. I mean, they're robots, but also they're acting.
• 1:33:03
  Yeah, don't get that robotic. Yeah. Two more things I did want
• 1:33:08
  to mention again some terrible writing from Giro. There was a scene with Laundry
• 1:33:14
  and Walter, and again I feel like that if Weir did this, Brendan
• 1:33:16
  would absolutely roaster for it. But when our team is like dialing the gate
• 1:33:23
  to escape the SGC, Walter goes, the Gate's darling itself, and then
• 1:33:28
  Landry goes, it doesn't normally do that, and then and then Walter goes,
• 1:33:31
  I know, and then that's all they say. Yeah, and I
• 1:33:34
  was just some of the clunkiest riding. As he's saying, the gate is
• 1:33:38
  dialing itself? Is not the gate was? Or did the gate is dialing
• 1:33:42
  itself? Yet the worm Hut was already the event Horizon was there was it?
• 1:33:45
  Yeah, yeah, wow. As he's saying that, I can see
• 1:33:47
  the blue reflecting off his face and I'm like, hang on, I must
• 1:33:50
  have misheard that, or maybe that light is coming from his computer monitor a
• 1:33:55
  weird screen turner wasn't invited back to director, but then they cut straight to
• 1:33:59
  like a shot over their shoulder, and the event horizon is very much it's
• 1:34:02
  just before the jumper comes down to ship, which again, great, I
• 1:34:06
  like you right at the start, They're like, you know where to park?
• 1:34:09
  And yeah, straight, what I was going to say, They got
• 1:34:13
  a car park for the jumper, but not for so sick for Walter.
• 1:34:16
  Wow, come on, bro, You've got to park on level fourteen,
• 1:34:19
  but you're going to figure out your own way to get your car there.
• 1:34:21
  Yeah, Well, alsom wandering like because obviously obviously we know obviously we know
• 1:34:27
  that preus over into it into a well, well obviously we know there's like
• 1:34:30
  the missile silo and that's obviously where the thing was going up. But it's
• 1:34:34
  like, are their little garage doors at some point where you can like drop
• 1:34:38
  off at level twenty or did you live left to flight all the way up
• 1:34:40
  to the surface, and like like parking on the ser or something. Yeah,
• 1:34:44
  that would have been weird put on. Yeah, there's a couple of
• 1:34:45
  couple of hitch Hikers's a couple of hikers in the woods, this giant ship
• 1:34:51
  Shepherd, how long were they there? For? Six weeks? Apparently the
• 1:34:56
  whole episode takes place over about six weeks, because like, Shepherd was on
• 1:35:00
  an SG team, but you can't see which team he was on. I'm
• 1:35:02
  sure some nerd out there's written it in a wiki something. Yeah, but
• 1:35:06
  I couldn't see it on his shirt. So basically, I guess it would
• 1:35:11
  typically on your right shoulder, wouldn't we only I'm pretty sure he had SGC
• 1:35:15
  and then the other one was blank. Oh so I hadn't been to sign
• 1:35:17
  to a team yet. Maybe maybe, well, I usually because varlet pretty
• 1:35:23
  quick. Varla would wear an SGC patch until she was officially given the SG
• 1:35:27
  one and then same as a vacant one now. Yeah, but also at
• 1:35:30
  the start of season nine of SG one, before like Tilk and Carter and
• 1:35:38
  Daniel were officially on the team, they were wearing SGC patches until Cam gives
• 1:35:43
  him the one patches. So yeah, maybe that to himself to give him
• 1:35:47
  his own patch because he's a colonel. Yeah. Maybe maybe they just didn't
• 1:35:50
  want to write him into a into a corner of like plot hole. Yeah,
• 1:35:54
  of giving him a number. And then and then the next SG one
• 1:35:57
  episode we find that that whole team's died first year eleven. Again, yeah,
• 1:36:01
  I do. Maybe maybe that was the only team available and he was
• 1:36:04
  just like, I'm not joining that team, no way. It did throw
• 1:36:08
  me a bit, like where they essentially they left and were walked through the
• 1:36:12
  wormhole and from Atlantis, and then it's an establishing shot of Shian Mountain,
• 1:36:18
  the on ground level, and then it shows laundry waiting for Shepherd to walk
• 1:36:27
  down the ramp with his team carrying I get your bloody pressure off your foot,
• 1:36:30
  you idiot, And it doesn't give you like a six weeks later like
• 1:36:32
  I don't need to be dripped fair. But at the same time, it
• 1:36:34
  went from like, hey, they're Atlantis a little leaving. Oh that's so
• 1:36:36
  sad, and then all of a sudden, it's clearly like at least a
• 1:36:40
  couple of weeks later, like he's, you know, come back, he's
• 1:36:43
  decompressed a little bit, he's been geared up, he's been given a team
• 1:36:45
  and given a mission and then straight into He's like, oh, tell me
• 1:36:49
  you didn't mess with the prize and the ARI I please. He's like,
• 1:36:51
  no, sir, no, he just stubbed his toe and I'm like,
• 1:36:54
  ah, he's covering for himself. And then he elaborated on the stubbing of
• 1:36:58
  the toe to be like, no, this guy literally he fell over and
• 1:37:00
  then this guy come to save him and he fell over. Next Daniel athletic.
• 1:37:03
  He's actually like he's way more hurt for trying to help this idiot who
• 1:37:06
  fell over. So just two people fell over and I'm like, oh my
• 1:37:10
  god, that's so much worse than you lying. I reckon. They've always
• 1:37:14
  not They've always kind of shipped on the other SG teams. Remember when Daniel
• 1:37:17
  died for the one hundredth time and they brought with the beard, Oh yeah,
• 1:37:21
  and like O'Neill hated him. Yeah, the guy that ended up being
• 1:37:26
  taken over by a guild in the first one. They're just like, no,
• 1:37:29
  not good enough, not good enough of what I feel like, Yeah,
• 1:37:31
  it should be a bit more morale givens the whole Lieutenant Haley thing whatever
• 1:37:35
  it is supposed to be the best of the best of the best of the
• 1:37:38
  best. Yeah, yeah, when they need it. They've just got these
• 1:37:41
  most inept scientist guys or whatever that are just tripping over their own feet justice
• 1:37:45
  for their G teams, and they bring it back when MGM bring it back,
• 1:37:47
  or MGM when Amazon bring it back. It just needs to be Stargate
• 1:37:51
  Command, and then we can follow different teams at different times. We can
• 1:37:54
  get justice first six who is science guys? Were sorry, we need to
• 1:37:59
  call in the rough necks now, we need to call an s G two
• 1:38:01
  because they're just like the bad Batch or something coming. It's a bunch of
• 1:38:04
  wreckers. We can do an actual episode where eleven survive. Yeah, oh
• 1:38:10
  my god, you killed us eleven and then they get irised, Yeah,
• 1:38:15
  oh god? Is that everyone? That's everyone close? There's just enough where
• 1:38:24
  their boots come through as they're running through. And then Beckett, why on
• 1:38:30
  Earth, I don't worry about it. Where's the boots? They got blood
• 1:38:35
  splatter? All wait, he was you can't revive him. He's dead.
• 1:38:42
  He's just a foot. Wasn't there an episode once where like someone's prony doesn't
• 1:38:45
  exist anymore, someone committed suicide by Stargate and they they went and jumped in
• 1:38:49
  front of the coach, just the boots left at the bottom. That was
• 1:38:53
  the salvation. That's how they thought they escaped, right on the prison prisoners.
• 1:38:58
  But then there was also the light. He jumped a building, didn't
• 1:39:03
  he? But Daniel was seeing those ghosts legacy. Yeah, yeah, did
• 1:39:11
  someone commit suicide in that? Oh? Sorry on a live Sorry sorry,
• 1:39:17
  Daniel is going to jump off the building? Yeah right, we'd been here
• 1:39:21
  for four hours. One last piece of audio that I submit without context and
• 1:39:26
  without anything on the back of it, and you'll know why. Peace out,
• 1:39:29
  mic drop. Now. The trick here, you know, of course,
• 1:39:31
  and that we kind of have to skirt away from, is that you
• 1:39:33
  know, now that the plan is in place, they can't really use those
• 1:39:36
  any replicator guns. So these pre sequences have to feel like because a lot
• 1:39:42
  of you I know are probably thinking right now, why doesn't Ronan use his
• 1:39:45
  uh his anti replicator gun. And it'll find out when it's all explained in
• 1:39:47
  that clever sequence that unfortunately most people are like that doesn't make sense. Click,
• 1:39:55
  I know that's what Paul would do. Forget it. I'm out of
• 1:40:00
  here. I'm gonna watch Gilmore Girls. Pev hard of course, because it's
• 1:40:03
  not on Friday nights. Don't you make fun of my Gilmore Girls? What
• 1:40:08
  I love? I love, I love the Gilmore Girls. I'm really I'm
• 1:40:12
  I'm very fine to say that publicly. You are trying to get Wowops,
• 1:40:19
  So now we know the tough people the list watch Gilmore Girls. Well yeah,
• 1:40:25
  in the in the Venn diagram of girls and Stargate fans, apparently it's
• 1:40:29
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• 1:40:34
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