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Red and Blue: Jonathan Tavernari on BYU men's basketball, Richie Saunders out for the year, Adjusted expectations since start of the year... · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 4: We welcome Jonathan Tabernari the BYU Basketball a legend. Red
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  Speaker 4: you tell mem JT sent you. Jonathan Teminari, Welcome back
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  Speaker 4: to the show.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Uh you know, I'm okay.
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  Speaker 2: What an emotional weekend that was and uh you know,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm I'm doing all right.
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  Speaker 4: Emotional weekend for anyone close to BYU basketball for the
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  Speaker 4: obvious reason that Richie Saunders, who's been one of the
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  Speaker 4: more beloved guys in the program, especially recently, his season
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  Speaker 4: is over, and you hope his career is not over,
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  Speaker 4: but we'll see what that decision making process looks like
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  Speaker 4: relative to his opportunities to go pro and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: But in a win against Colorado, you still feel like
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  Speaker 4: you came away with a loss because Richie saunders season
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  Speaker 4: is done, which obviously hurts your long term prospects. Just
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  Speaker 4: just tell me how you're processing this right now, JT.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so, so, Sean, let me actually take a step
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  Speaker 2: back right because you know, you it was also Jimmer's
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  Speaker 2: jersey retireming ceremony, and you know, I've been close with
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  Speaker 2: Jim or and his family since two thousand and six
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  Speaker 2: when he came to BYU and our recruiting trip, and
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  Speaker 2: and so you know, let's, you know, let's roll it back.
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  Speaker 2: We wind back to Friday, where you know, we had
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  Speaker 2: kind of a dinner, kind of a you know, a
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  Speaker 2: little ceremony for family and close friends and you know,
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  Speaker 2: a few teammates and and there's just awesome being there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, seeing people that haven't seen any years. You know,
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  Speaker 2: saw a couple of teammates of mine that I hadn't
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  Speaker 2: seen it since I pretty much came back from Europe.
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  Speaker 2: And and so so start with that, right, start with
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  Speaker 2: that process off, Start with that process, off the emotional
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  Speaker 2: side of things. And then you know, moved into Saturday,
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  Speaker 2: right and all of the emotions, and I got to
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  Speaker 2: be in the arena before the game and seeing a
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  Speaker 2: sea of white shirts. And then Saturday and then right
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  Speaker 2: before the ceremony and the game starts, and to your point,
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  Speaker 2: you know, within two like less than you know, a minute,
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  Speaker 2: Richie gets hurt and it doesn't look good and it's
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  Speaker 2: by himself, and uh, and then I have to and
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  Speaker 2: so we're concerned about Richie. And then at halftime it's
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  Speaker 2: Jimmers retired, you know, Jersey retirement ceremony. You know, more motions,
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  Speaker 2: and then the game goes to overtime against Colorado and
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  Speaker 2: you know, buy, you gave them all the chances to
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  Speaker 2: tie the game and win the game, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: Colorado just wasn't so they didn't have enough under tank
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  Speaker 2: to do it. And then the news drop.
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  Speaker 1: Saturday night, you know, and I knew it.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously because you know, I'm close to the program that
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  Speaker 2: you know it was a CL and they were worried
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  Speaker 2: that it was gonna be a CL and AMCL but
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  Speaker 2: you know, and so since pretty much Saturday, like midnight,
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  Speaker 2: just being gutted, right, I mean, Richie to your point, Sean,
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  Speaker 2: I'll wrap up you know the question with this, I
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  Speaker 2: dare to say that Richie, most.
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  Speaker 1: Likely at this point in time, is the last of.
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  Speaker 2: The true collegiate athlete that stays with a team for
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  Speaker 2: for four years. We saw him grow, we saw him develop,
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  Speaker 2: we saw him improved, we saw him through downs, we
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  Speaker 2: saw him get back up, we saw through the highs,
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  Speaker 2: and we saw him go from you know, a solid
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  Speaker 2: recruit to a potential NBA draft pick. And so a
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  Speaker 2: sea of emotions, you know, very much surrounding surrounding the
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  Speaker 2: basketball programs as we team.
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  Speaker 4: So for for this team to excel without Richie, what
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  Speaker 4: does it look like?
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  Speaker 3: How do you have to fill in the blanks?
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  Speaker 4: Because we've talked really all year long as this season
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  Speaker 4: has taken shape about how man, you've got these stars
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  Speaker 4: in the lineup and that starting lineup when they're humming
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  Speaker 4: there as good as anybody. But then the depth took
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  Speaker 4: a hit, and you have come on multiple times and said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, some of these guys that are on the bench,
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  Speaker 4: we thought they'd be bigger contributors and they're just not
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  Speaker 4: really coming through right now.
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  Speaker 3: Now you got to lean on those guys a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more.
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  Speaker 4: So, what does it look like for this team to
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  Speaker 4: try to compensate for the absence of such a good
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  Speaker 4: player in Richie Saunders?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they went from you know, the Three Musketeers to
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  Speaker 2: now truly going, you know into Batman and Robin, Batman
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  Speaker 2: and Superman, Kobe and Scheck, you know, Michael and Scottie.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you name it, right, I mean you go away,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Sean and James, I mean whatever whatever you
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  Speaker 2: guys want to call it, right, I mean, it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be the A, J and Rob right, the Third Show,
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  Speaker 2: right and so, and I think at this point in time,
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  Speaker 2: what you do is you there's a couple of things
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  Speaker 2: that I would do if I was getting paid, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the millions of dollars of the coaching staff. Is there's
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  Speaker 2: two paths that I would take. The first path is
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  Speaker 2: I would actually start Alexei Coastitch because he knocked down
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  Speaker 2: a big three, you know, in the late in the
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  Speaker 2: game on Saturday, and I would say, you know, Alexey,
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  Speaker 2: you're the greatest thing since slice bread. Forget about Petrovitch,
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  Speaker 2: forget about Tony Koukoach or Krasimirchosch. It's Alexey's world and
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  Speaker 2: we all live in it. And I would try to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, put up on a pedestal like he can't
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  Speaker 2: do no wrong, either him or Tyler Mourross right, one
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  Speaker 2: of the two transfers, and I would say, Tyler, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you're the greatest Tyler we've ever had.
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  Speaker 1: We never heard of Tyler Rows, the Tyler Halls that never.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't matter. Now you're the man.
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  Speaker 2: I would figure out a way to put one of
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  Speaker 2: these two dudes on a pedestal and just pump him
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  Speaker 2: up with with confidence because they're just not shooting.
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  Speaker 1: The ball well right now. And and and as a.
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  Speaker 2: Shooter, I can tell you that all you need is
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  Speaker 2: just to see one go in and maybe that sparks
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  Speaker 2: that confidence. The other thing that I would do is
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  Speaker 2: potentially go with Hadeem, who is a more physical guy
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  Speaker 2: on the lineup and say good luck. You now have
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  Speaker 2: to figure out a way to be you know, the
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  Speaker 2: you know, Bruce Bowen two point zero, Kawhi Lanyard on defense,
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  Speaker 2: and we need Dennis.
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  Speaker 1: Rodman an offense. And now, now is there a fair
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  Speaker 1: thing to ask for a freshman? Definitely not. But Sean,
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  Speaker 1: this team has now a handful of guys.
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  Speaker 2: Plus Kebba that are dealing with season ending injuries. Nate
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  Speaker 2: Pickens was supposed to be the backup point guard, done
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  Speaker 2: for the year. Brodi cus Lost was supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: the backup four men and knock down three pointers. Done
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  Speaker 2: for the year. Dawson Baker was supposed to be the sixth.
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  Speaker 1: Man for this team. Done for the year.
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  Speaker 2: Xavion Stanton was supposed to be a backup, the backup.
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  Speaker 1: Big right, and then they went out and that to.
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  Speaker 2: Get Beato because you know he was injury prone. And
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  Speaker 2: now Richie Saunders with an ACL injury, and then Camba
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  Speaker 2: has been dealing with a hand injury, as Kevin Young
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  Speaker 2: acknowledge on the post game on Saturday, and so by
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  Speaker 2: you know, fort Minors said, you know it's ten percent luck, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean fifteen percent is killed, you know, like power
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  Speaker 2: of will, you know, a little bit of pleasure and
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  Speaker 2: the rest of it is stained and so I mean,
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  Speaker 2: my goodness, this BYU team so that has been plagued
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  Speaker 2: by injuries.
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  Speaker 1: But again, when you have the number one recruit in.
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  Speaker 2: A country, I am going to go on an irrational
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  Speaker 2: confidence and say Ajd Bons is going to lead these
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  Speaker 2: guys to a Sweet sixteen. I know it's a crazy
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  Speaker 2: thing to say, but you know, like repeat Chief the
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  Speaker 2: Little rat in Narnia says, we have nothing if not believe?
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  Speaker 3: Is that enough?
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  Speaker 4: A Sweet sixteen for a squad that came in with
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  Speaker 4: as much hype as any team in the Big twelve
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  Speaker 4: and almost any team in the country right now. Now,
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  Speaker 4: given the context of everything you just went through, a
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  Speaker 4: decimated roster, losing somebody as important as Richie Saunders, a
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  Speaker 4: Sweet sixteen run would be I think a pretty remarkable feat.
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  Speaker 4: But relative to the early season expectations, will it be
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  Speaker 4: considered enough?
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's the key word that you literally
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  Speaker 2: just said right there, given the contact. If Richie was involved,
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  Speaker 2: I would say getting to the Elite eight would have
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  Speaker 2: been the minimum, right. I don't know about going to
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  Speaker 2: the Final four, but going to the Elite eight it
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  Speaker 2: would have been maximizing their ceiling. Of like ninety nine
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  Speaker 2: point nine percent, right, kind of like on top good.
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  Speaker 1: Maverick when just when he.
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  Speaker 2: Gets to like, you know, the ten, he goes, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna go a little bit more and everything blows up.
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  Speaker 2: And so but given the context, if this team gets
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  Speaker 2: to the sweet sixteen, I consider you know, a marvel
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  Speaker 2: in terms of BYU basketball accomplishments, because my gosh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: deja that've been to your point Seawn, they've been depleted
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  Speaker 2: due to injuries.
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  Speaker 4: So in a situation like this, in the system that
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  Speaker 4: we all live in right now, right, I mean I
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  Speaker 4: hear a lot more from the Utah fan than I
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  Speaker 4: do the BYU fan, And the Utah fans right now
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  Speaker 4: in basketball world are seeing a really really tough season unfold,
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  Speaker 4: and they're also looking at it and like, well, how
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  Speaker 4: are we gonna catch up with Kansas and BYU and
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  Speaker 4: all these these people are spending so much money. If
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't bear fruit when you make this kind of
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  Speaker 4: financial emotional resource investment, I mean, they put a lot
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  Speaker 4: of energy into this roster in particular, and if it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't bear meaningful fruit in terms of a conference championship
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  Speaker 4: or a deep run in the tournament, is there buyer's
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  Speaker 4: remorse there or is it like a hey, well we
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  Speaker 4: just got unlucky. We got to do it all again
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  Speaker 4: and maybe add even more to the to the investment.
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  Speaker 2: So perception is reality, and the perception given the context,
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  Speaker 2: will be that you know, these guys unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: Had you know, a wave of bad luck. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's a fair theme to say.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you know, two things can be true at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, Sean. You know, there can be a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of buyer's remorse, and there can also be the
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  Speaker 2: fact that you know, maybe you have to try this
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  Speaker 2: again one more time.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know if you are you was going
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  Speaker 1: to land back to back.
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  Speaker 2: A player of AJ's magnitude right there talks about you
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  Speaker 2: how you're recruiting some high level you know, five star
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  Speaker 2: McDonald's all American recruits right now. But it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: not the same lens.
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  Speaker 1: As a J de Bonds.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, AJ has been talked as you know, one
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  Speaker 2: of the greatest you know, potential players in quite some time,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and and so well by you. Ever Lin
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  Speaker 2: another player of that magnitude, I'll say this, they can
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  Speaker 2: get another a J before that before there we ever
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  Speaker 2: see another gymmer And this is not a knock on
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  Speaker 2: a j but you know, like a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: stars had had to align for for b Yu to
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  Speaker 2: get a j to get this team, And so I
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  Speaker 2: think that I think that this is one of those
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  Speaker 2: things that you have to you have to have a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of both, where you know, we have to
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  Speaker 2: investigate this again to win at this level again. And
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, you're like, geez, we spend almost
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  Speaker 2: twenty million dollars on this roster. You know, like, how
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  Speaker 2: much is it going to be enough to be able
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  Speaker 2: to get to this point again?
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  Speaker 4: Because he brought up Jimmer again, No, it's it's not
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  Speaker 4: a fair thing to do when you look back at
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  Speaker 4: someone who had a career pre NIL and say, oh,
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  Speaker 4: what would that guy have made? But jim Er would
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  Speaker 4: have he would have broken the internet. He did break
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  Speaker 4: the internet. He would have been able to cash in
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  Speaker 4: on breaking the internet. Look, you would have made good money.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of the BYU football guys would have made
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  Speaker 4: good made good money. But for I would say that
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  Speaker 4: of everyone we've seen come through this state at either
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  Speaker 4: School Utah or BYU, jim Or would have been the
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  Speaker 4: biggest NIL athlete that we've ever seen or had, and
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  Speaker 4: he would have been like pushing for the biggest nationally.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I you know, I will say this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it wouldn't surprise me if Jimmer, you know, by the
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  Speaker 2: end of his junior year would have gotten you know,
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  Speaker 2: three or four million dollars in nil Now, I will
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  Speaker 2: say that everything happened in the middle of his seat year.
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  Speaker 1: And what I can tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Is, you know, in terms of commercials and that sort
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  Speaker 2: of thing, Yeah, Jimmer would have pushed over ten million easily.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 2: I mean everything he was doing, KD tweeting that he
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  Speaker 2: was the greatest scorer.
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  Speaker 1: In the world, and you know, nally.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about him, and you know, if that was a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a bus now, you know, take this
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  Speaker 2: with a grain of salt, right, but there was a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of buzz nationally last year with Richie and
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  Speaker 2: you know the whole thing about Dater talks, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so like it wasn't Jim or Asque, but it
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  Speaker 2: was a little bit right, it was kind of tiptoeing
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  Speaker 2: on the national waters if he if Richie got that,
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  Speaker 2: can you imagine the amount of money that Jimmer would
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  Speaker 2: have made in February and March in April around the
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  Speaker 2: NCAA tournament, it would have been wild.
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  Speaker 4: It would have been one of those things that we
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  Speaker 4: saw with the College Football Playoff where you know, Trinidad
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  Speaker 4: Chambliss was on commercial that played during the breaks of
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  Speaker 4: games that he was playing in. You would have had
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  Speaker 4: that exact same thing with Jimmer where you're watching Jim
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  Speaker 4: or play for BYU, they cut to commercial for a
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  Speaker 4: TV time out and there's Jimmer like in a McDonald's
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  Speaker 4: or Sprite commercial or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it was surreal, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And at the beginning of the season, the season Sean
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  Speaker 2: I had a back and forth, you know, with another
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  Speaker 2: media member where I said, if b YU gets to
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  Speaker 2: the Final four and a j is leading the charge
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  Speaker 2: to be the Name Smith Player of the Year, that
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  Speaker 2: would reach bigger heights than Jim er Mania did I
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  Speaker 2: will say, and I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that this.
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  Speaker 2: Is Buyer or Byers remorse none at all, but I
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: would say that would have could as should have.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Right, This is just one of those things that I.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Don't think, you know, even be unless by U somehow
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: gets to the Elite eight I don't think that this
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: year's team, you know, it's it's going to top what
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: we saw in twenty eleven with with Jim Ermania.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Before I let you go, what do you expect from
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: this team against Arizona. I mean, that's a they're not
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: the number one team in the country anymore, but they're
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: still really dang good. And that's the next test for
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: this BYU squad.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know what what I relaxing week for
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: BYU playing against you know, playing at number four and
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: then at home against number six. So you know, let's
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: talk about strong emotions. You know, right after you just
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: had you know, arguably your your senior leader and captain
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: and you know, the base of your program be done
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: for the season.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: And so I think the Arizona.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Game will be a little bit difficult, mainly because you
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: know b YU didn't adjust to Arizona until the end
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: of the game and uh and I think a lot
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: of it had to do with emotional push, right. So
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I actually see b YU losing to Arizona by probably
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: about fifteen or twenty on the road. I do see
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: them beating Iowa stayed at home. I think it's going
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: to be an emotional game. I think the Marriott Center
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: is going to get involved, is going to get loud,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: It's going to get you know. I think fans will
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: push for that, you know. And and I will say this,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: if they kicked me out of the game, they kicked
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: me out of the game. But if there is a
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: TV timeout and the and the crowd is quiet, I'm
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: telling you here, I'm going to go to half court
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: and start getting Cosmo with me and.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Start going get up and get sharing because BUYU needs
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that game. BYU hasn't had.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: A marquee win this year, and you know what better
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: way to have the marquee win, you know pretty much,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: you know, a month before nca Tournament beating the number
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: six team in the country at home. And so it's
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a big week for VYU. I don't think it's a
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a make or break week from VYU,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: But if if they don't, I don't want to say that.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: If they don't win against Iowa Stay at home, I
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: was lost. But I feel like winging against Iowa State
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: can have a massive significant impact on this season in
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: a very positive way to a scene that is desperate
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: to get some good news.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Have we heard the last of the bleep the Mormons chance.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: You know. So I'll say this right, and I kind
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: of have dick skin about this stuff because when I
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: was to go to Air Force, when I used to
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: go to Wyoming, you know, I used to hear, you know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: he's a league, go get a visa. You know, let's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the poort him. I heard all of that, you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: And I actually give a lot of credit to Utah things.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I actually had a brother in law that
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: gave my picture, my wife's picture to the moths and
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: basically didn't say anything in appropriate, right, But nonetheless, you
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: know they did use that, you know, my senior year.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: But it was all respectful, right. And and that's why
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I don't have beef against Utah fans. Less someone and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: you have radicals on both sides of the rivalries, I
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: have no problem what soevery someone's to say, you know,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: as b y U.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Or you know, as the Cougars, I have no problem
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Now. You know, Brian Santiago and Shane Reese and you
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: know President Dalli Eh Chokes of the LDS Church probably
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: would say, Jonathan, don't say that, but.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: We understand your point. Yeah, right on.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: The context of sport.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with them saying at this school. My issue
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: becomes when you say as the Mormons. And here's why.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: As a former Catholic, I have never heard in my
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: life as the Catholics.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: My wife worked very closely with the with the.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Muslim community because of her of her career and educational choice.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: My wife has never heard as the Muslims in a
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: public setting.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So why is it okay at the Mormons. I don't
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: care what the reason is.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: You don't hear as the Jews, and so I'm fortunately
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: We've heard the last of it. We've heard the last
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I think it will be said again and again, say
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: asked b y u, I one say ask JT. For
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: all I care, but I would definitely keep religion out
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: of this.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Well that's that's how I feel about I think that's
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: the reasonable attitude toward it, and hopefully the Big Twelve
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: can figure out a way to penalize it. I'm not
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: even a member of the LEDs Church, and I probably
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: get more bothered by it than you do, JT.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Because because of all the things that you just said,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: like you don't you.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Don't have to you could talk as much trash as
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: you want, all right, don't bring people's family into it,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: don't bring people's religion into it. And you can say
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: whatever you want. And that's just kind of like my
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: stance on it. But we'll see how it plays.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I say with this, you know, like obviously,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't happy when you know, my brother
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: in law gave my my wife's pictures and again, these
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: are pictures on a blog, right, you know, kind of
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: blogging about our family and our adventures and early in
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: our marriage.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: And you know, I wasn't happy about it. I'm not
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: happy about it. He knows it, and whenever it comes up,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: he knows it. And I let him know it. You know.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: But with that being said, I get it. I get
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: when you say different things, and but you know, religion
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and you know, anything like that to me is a
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: big no no. And so but it comes with the territory, right.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: They don't say things to people they they they like
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: or you know, if you know, could it be looking
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: at something like hey, this is you know, this should
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: be a symbol of we're really good. I think there
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: are the ways that you can bother people without insulting
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: them that way.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: He ty always appreciate your time and your contribution to
• 23:38
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• 23:38
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