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Andy Woods: History of King Cyrus & President Trump Comparison · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  I'm going to bring in Dr. Andy Woods, and today we're going to go back and refresh your
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  memory on who the heck was this king named Cyrus and why on earth, are there any comparisons
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  between Cyrus and President Trump?
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  So Dr. Andy Woods, Andy Woods Ministries, he's also got an outstanding YouTube channel.
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  You can get his pastor's point of view on there.
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  So Andy Woods Ministries dot org brother.
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  Thanks for your time today.
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  No, it's going to go by fast.
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  So welcome.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you, sir.
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  All right.
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  So this was in a recent pastor's point of view that you did.
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  Very important topic on the peace treaty, but Donald Trump is being compared to Persian
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  ruler Cyrus the Great in billboards in Israel after the historic Gaza peace deal.
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  And as we talked about before, we got on the podcast terrorists are not known for keeping
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  their promises and their world view is likely not going to change as far as wanting to
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  wipe Israel off the map.
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  So let's start with your overall take, Andy, on what's going on over there and just
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  give us some speculation on what you see or where you expect it to go from this point.
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  Well, as far as the peace treaty is concerned, I mean, obviously we're all thrilled that
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  the hostages have been released, but you know, having said that that looks like there's
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  already some of the bargain that Hamas is not acquiescing to.
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  I think they're supposed to give us the remains, are they not of the deceased?
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  And I think there's 13 bodies, you know, unaccounted for.
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  And then there's some speculation as to whether or not, you know, we're getting the actual
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  bodies that they killed.
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  So yeah, I'm real happy that the hostages have been released, but that's pretty, that's
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  about it.
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  I don't have any real optimism that this is going to be some kind of lasting arrangement.
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  I was a bit uncomfortable when Trump used the expression eternal peace.
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  And the reason I'm uncomfortable with that is I think God has designed that region
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  like a jigsaw puzzle that can't be solved by a human being.
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  So when it gets finally resolved permanently in the millennial kingdom, you know, he,
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  the principle piece gets the glory for it.
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  So you can't take a value system out of people's hearts just by signing a piece of paper.
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  So I think what's happened is it's kind of like a band-aid, which covers a wound, but
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  it doesn't heal a wound.
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  And there's the, there's the roots of everlasting hatred that Islam has towards the Jewish people
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  and the nation of Israel.
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  And in fact, when you listen to the words of someone named the son of Hamas, his last
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  name is Yusuf, he says Hamas has no vocabulary word for peace relative to Israel.
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  The only thing they know is truce, which is like a maximum of 14 years.
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  So truce, temporary, yes, lasting peace, no, but I'm very happy that the hostage has
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  been released.
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  Yeah, it's interesting used word everlasting, everlasting hatred toward Israel.
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  And we read in the Bible that God established an everlasting covenant with Israel.
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  One of them is going to give and we know which one eventually, right?
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  And that's, we'll get to that.
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  But this whole idea of Trump and Cyrus, let's go back now to Isaiah 45, where it starts
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  up.
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  I mean, God uses Cyrus.
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  He called Cyrus his anointed in the scriptures, Andy.
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  And a lot of people, maybe they aren't familiar with this, we're going, well, what's
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  the big deal?
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  Well, Cyrus was a pagan king.
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  So could you please give us some context and background before we talk about the comparison?
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  Well, Cyrus is a man of prophetic destiny because God in the prophet Isaiah calls out his
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  name, you know, 150 years to 200 years in advance.
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  I mean, it would be like saying at the dawn of America, calling out the name Ronald Reagan,
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  you know, one day is going to be one of our presidents.
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  And that's what Isaiah does.
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  Liberals freak out about this and they try to say Isaiah couldn't have known that.
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  And so someone other than Isaiah, you know, wrote that, which is your typical line in liberalism.
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  But if people go to the end of chapter 44 of Isaiah, they'll see Cyrus's name.
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  And then they go to the first few verses of chapter 45, they'll see Cyrus's name.
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  And you're right.
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  Cyrus was someone that didn't know God.
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  You see that in chapter 45 verse four where God says of Cyrus, roughly 150 years in advance,
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  though you did not know me yet at the same time.
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  God selected Cyrus to play a pivotal role in Israel's history.
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  Cyrus of Persia would be the one who would conquer the Babylonians.
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  Remember, it was the Babylonians that took the southern kingdom away into captivity for
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  70 years.
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  And going back to Daniel's prophecy of the statue in Daniel chapter two that Nebuchadnezzar
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  and Daniel saw, the head of gold would be Babylon, the chest and arms of silver would
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  be the Persians.
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  So the Persians would overthrow the Babylonians.
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  That happened in Daniel chapter five.
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  And then Isaiah 150 to 200 years in advance says Cyrus through the Persians would be a
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  character that God would sovereignly use to release the nation from the 70 year captivity,
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  you know, that the Babylonians had initiated.
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  And so that's really the significance of Cyrus.
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  And that's why Israelis today, when some foreign king like Trump helps them, whether it
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  be the relocation of their embassy, the annexation of the Golan Heights or what he's done recently
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  relative to the 20 or 21 point peace plan, they look at such a character as a Cyrus.
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  And so that's why there are these billboards appearing all over Israel calling Trump Cyrus.
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  That's why Netanyahu called Trump Cyrus all the way back in 2018.
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  And one other quick point on Cyrus is there's actually something in archaeology called the
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  Cyrus cylinder, which is a sort of, it's sort of an inscription of Cyrus's boasts and
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  how easily he conquered Babylon without even so much as a battle.
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  And that highlights what happened there in Daniel chapter five.
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  So that's the significance of this guy.
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  Cyrus, I don't know if we're going to see him in heaven, I hope we will.
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  We don't have any indication he ever became a believer, but you know, God is sovereign
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  and he can use unbelieving pagan Gentile kings to accomplish his purposes.
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  In this case, being the shepherd, you know, that would release the southern kingdom from
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  the 70 year Babylonian captivity.
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  Thank you, Andy.
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  And I just really want to emphasize in Isaiah 45, 44, 45, it's not just an allusion to
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  a future king.
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  This name Cyrus is in the scriptures.
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  I just want to make sure people understand that.
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  It really is amazing, but the versus you mentioned verse four and five, it says for the sake
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  of Jacob, my servant and Israel, my chosen one, I have also called you by your name.
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  I've given you a title of honor, though you have not known me talking about Cyrus.
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  And I am the Lord and there is no other besides me, there is no God and it goes on.
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  But okay, so the comparisons, Andy, I know when a president Trump moved the embassy,
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  US embassy to Jerusalem, that was a huge deal.
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  But this piece, I guess peace was more impressive to a lot of people, which brought on more
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  Cyrus comparisons, just your, your thought on where we are now with the peace, hopefully
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  that they're going to still try to work out, but we know it's not going to be lasting.
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  Well, really the bottom line with this whole thing is Jesus 2000 years ago in John chapter
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  five, I want to say around verse 43, said of Israel, I come in my father's name and you
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  won't receive me, but there's coming one in his own name and him you will receive.
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  And most people commentators, myself included believe he's making a statement there of
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  their reception, you know, of the coming antichrist.
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  So in essence, Israel 2000 years ago, nationally having rejected their true king, who was
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  right there in their midst, is now open to almost anyone who comes along and promises
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  to guarantee their peace and security.
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  And don't get me wrong, I'm not calling Trump the antichrist, I, I'm a Trump guy, I'm
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  Trump supporter.
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  But what I'm saying is there's a psychology in place that the Bible predicted 2000 years
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  ago that when you reject the true king, you're open to anybody that's going to help you.
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  And Israel is in a very delicate, desperate position.
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  She's about the size of New Jersey.
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  She's surrounded by Islamic, theocratic dictatorships that are determined based on their own
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  charters to drive Israel into the Mediterranean Sea.
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  And so anybody that comes alongside and wants to help them, they're going to look at as a
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  Cyrus type figure, a gold, a mayor all the way back in 1973, when she placed that phone
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  call to Richard Nixon in the middle of the night.
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  And he helped her with armaments and things during the Yom Kapoor war.
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  She had the same sentiments.
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  I don't know if she used the word Cyrus, but she had the same sentiments about Nixon.
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  And those are the same sentiments that Israel has towards Trump today.
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  And one of these days, there's going to come an anti-Christ who's going to really do
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  much better than anything Trump could give Israel in terms of a lasting solution.
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  And they're going to look at him as a Cyrus too, but they're going to be grossly disappointed
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  because that anti-Christ is going to betray them midway through the tribulation period.
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  And this is part of the process that has to happen to open up Israel's eyes nationally
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  that her true Messiah is not Trump, it's not Richard Nixon, it's not the anti-Christ,
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  it's actually Jesus Christ, who they nationally rejected 2,000 years ago.
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  Amen.
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  In the article, it also says Cyrus, the great was an early proponent of religious freedom.
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  I didn't know that.
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  And can you tell us more about that Andy, what do you know about Cyrus in that respect?
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  Well, everything I know about Cyrus, he was a polytheist, but basically he worshiped
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  many gods.
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  And this is actually the reason why he was able to, and this is the boast in that
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  Cyrus cylinder conquer Babylon without even so much as a battle.
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  And he was very careful with the Babylonian deities.
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  He let them remain in their own little separate Babylonian habitats and temples.
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  Even though Babylon had come under Persian authority and jurisdiction all the way back
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  in the month of October, actually, 539 BC.
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  And so that's who Cyrus was.
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  He was a polytheist, he respected all religions because he worshipped all kinds of gods.
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  And so I think that's part of the parallels with Trump.
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  I mean, he's not looking to go over there and impose America over Israel.
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  He wants to let them live however they want to live.
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  And from that standpoint, I support that because the worst thing you can do is try to enforce
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  your own definition of religion on somebody else that never works.
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  We in the West don't do that.
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  That's what Islam does, but we don't do that.
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  So that's another part of the interesting parallel that people are drawing between
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  Trump and Cyrus.
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  And yet, Andy Woods, we would be accused of wanting a theocracy in America.
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  The left does this all the time.
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  It's a straw man argument where they're saying, we want to force our religion, you know,
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  when they want to argue for it to keep Christianity out of the public square.
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  And as you are so well known for saying the second biggest lie in America, the separation
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  of church and state, you know, they would accuse us even recently of wanting a theocracy.
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  How do you, you know, I mean, some of its ignorance, some of its, some people really
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  believe that though, don't they?
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  Well with the left and with Islam accusing us of that, I think it's, what are the psychologists
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  call that projectionism or something, it's, it's, or transference, I guess is maybe
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  the better word.
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  Or transfer on to somebody else.
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  What you really want to do.
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  I mean, it's, it's the left that wants to take our kids and educate them against the
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  value system of the parents.
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  Yeah.
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  So they have no problem imposing their humanistic theocracy on everybody else.
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  So I think as the Bible says, where the spirit of the Lord is, there is, is liberty.
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  You know, the more Christian, authentic Christianity spreads, the more this kind of idea
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  of freedom of religion spreads as well.
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  But you know, could I go to Marxist country or a Muslim country today and start a church?
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  I mean, obviously not, I'd be under immediate persecution.
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  So I think with the left and Islam, it's kind of a case of projectionism or transference
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  when they accuse us of what they want to do.
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  Exactly.
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  So to keep this going now, back to Revelation chapter six, you shared verses one through four.
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  I want to want to look at three and four where it talks about the second seal.
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  And John says, I heard the second living creature saying, come and another, a red horse
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  because the white horse came first and then the red horse came and went out and to him
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  who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth and that men would slay one
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  another and a great sword was given to him.
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  Can you explain the context to that in light of, you know, people wanting peace, peace,
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  peace and safety, peace and security?
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  Yeah.
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  First, Estloneans five, verse three, talking about the same era time period says while
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  they are saying peace and safety, sudden destruction comes upon them, you know, as a woman
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  in labor.
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  And the reason I toss those verses in is I'm trying to get people to see that, bibliically
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  speaking, you're not going to have lasting peace.
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  I don't care what kind of deal you come up with and who signs it and what people promise
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  that they're going to do.
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  Every human being that says they're bringing in eternal peace is obviously operating in
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  a way that's unbiblical because the Bible is very clear that even when the antichrist
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  comes and gives them the best deal they've ever had, it's short lived.
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  So that's why I look at these sort of as much as I'm happy about the hostages being
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  released.
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  I look at these peace treaties with a heavy dose of skepticism.
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  Maybe I should just say a healthy dose of skepticism.
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  Yes.
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  Because bibliically what we're told is wars are determined until the true Prince of Peace
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  shows up.
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  And then that jigsaw puzzle in the region will get resolved and he'll get the glory,
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  not some, you know, mad-made scenario.
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  And the government will be on his shoulders and hear that every Christmas from the verse
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  in Isaiah.
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  So Andy, let's transition now to the church and there's two articles that you shared
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  about on your pastor's point of view that really go hand in hand, I believe.
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  One is on mega churches in a way and the other one is on biblical illiteracy.
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  So let's go to the first one, a mega church pastor claims that 30 minute sermons are
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  too long for modern audiences.
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  Well, there's so much wrong with that, but just share your thoughts.
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  Well, I mean, there's a lot to say about that.
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  Probably I would just say this, when you go down that road, you pay a price.
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  There's a price to be paid.
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  And if you get 20 minutes of Bible, which is what he's arguing for in that peace, it was
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  actually an Instagram video that he made.
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  And it's interesting, these guys, they're not just telling you what they're doing in their
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  church, they're trying to convince everybody else what you should do in your church.
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  And so he's kind of lambasting preachers by saying we preach too long.
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  You know, the issue isn't we and the issue isn't the preacher, the issue is the primacy
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  of the Word of God.
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  And I'm reminded of what is it, Nehemiah chapter eight, where Ezra read from the law,
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  the people were standing, Ezra was there raised above people, and they were there, I think
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  from morning to midday, and a spiritual reformation revival came out of that.
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  And so it's kind of like what my basketball coach used to tell me in high school about
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  the weight room and conditioning.
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  He says, look, you're going to get out of it, what you put into it.
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  And you get you get 20 minutes of Bible, you're going to get 20 minutes of Christianity.
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  And that's not that's not enough to get our country back on the right path.
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  Some have put it this way.
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  The problem with the Bible belt is we don't have enough Bible under our belt.
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  And we need to get back to the Bible, the whole Bible and nothing but the Bible or else
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  it's just churches that are going to be a mile wide and an inch deep as the saying goes.
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  We're just going to have, you know, sermons for Christian nets and we're just not going
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  to be able to stand up under the type of persecution that I think is coming.
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  And unfortunately, not all mega churches have that philosophy, but I think that's kind
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  of part of the model where the pastor is the CEO and they have several services or locations
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  and the sermons are short 20 minutes.
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  And as you said, when you were talking about that, it reminded me of the hours of influence,
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  that concept of, if you just have an hour, but they're not even talking about an hour,
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  it's 20 minutes, 20 minutes sermon from the Word of God.
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  And you've got all of this coming against you in culture, especially if you're a young
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  person, social media, Hollywood, corporations, government.
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  If most of your friends are probably non-believers or atheists, where are you going to get the
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  truth?
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  Where are you going to get any Bible teaching or exposition and it's just so sad for a church
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  leader or pastor, mega church or any other to say something like that.
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  And that goes along with we've got five minutes left, Andy, with this other article over
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  at CBN News, put this out.
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  Most church goers don't think scripture is clear about sexuality.
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  Well, I'm thinking, okay, you either haven't read the Bible for yourself or your pastor
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  is not teaching on all the whole council of God on this.
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  So this one gets me because I'm thinking, okay, if you think most church goers, it says.
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  So Andy, I need to calm down.
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  I'll just let you share about this.
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  This is ridiculous.
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  Yeah, as you kind of move through the generations from older to younger, I mean, it's pointing
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  out these surveys and things that as the, as the group gets younger and younger and
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  younger, it's, it's like they don't think the Bible's clear about the transgender issue.
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  They don't think the Bible's clear about the homosexual issue.
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  They don't think the Bible's clear about the LGBTQUI plus issue.
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  And it's sort of like, you know, have you read the first chapter?
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  I mean, God made them male and female.
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  Those, that's two genders.
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  And he said, be fruitful and multiply.
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  That's hetero sexual monogamy.
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  And he says, you know, a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife
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  and the two shall become one.
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  And Jesus later quoting those verses about the whole issue of divorce, remarriage and
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  all of those subjects goes right back to the blueprint of God.
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  And he says, what God has joined together, let man not set a sunder.
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  So if you're going to tell me those things are unclear, I mean, the nothing in the Bible
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  is clear.
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  And so these things are kind of bellweathers concerning basic biblical literacy, basic
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  biblical understanding.
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  And you cannot apply into your life what you don't know.
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  I mean, knowledge is not a last step, excuse me, knowledge is not a first step.
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  It's a last step.
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  You have to apply knowledge, but you can't apply something you don't know.
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  And so this type of these type of statistics are troubling.
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  And as much as everybody today is saying, we're in the middle of a spiritual revival.
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  I mean, I, I hope we are, but these numb, if we were really in a spiritual revival,
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  these numbers would go be going the opposite direction.
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  And maybe there's time for that.
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  I'm encouraged by what I'm seeing among the youth, especially generation Z. I think
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  we missed opportunities to reach millennials for Christ and the truth.
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  But our society culture got so screwed up, Gen Z is going, there's got to be more to this.
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  But they're actually open to truth.
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  I think in seeking for maybe religion, maybe for answers.
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  But one quote from this article, we've got two and a half minutes left, Andy.
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  Finally, this is a gospel moment in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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  For example, many young people are entering our churches, searching for truth, stability
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  and hope.
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  And the big question is, what will they find in American churches?
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  Andy, just a minute or two, wrap us up on that.
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  Well, if that sentence is right, now is our golden moment to shine.
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  The problem is, are they going to come to church and find a light show and a TED talk?
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  Mass, you know, mass grading is as church.
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  Or are they going to find what God has designed the church to be?
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  First Timothy 3 verse 15, I believe it is, the foundation and the pillar of truth.
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  I mean, if these youth are looking for stability, security, now is our moment to shine.
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  I'm just wondering if we're up to the task.
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  Oh, Lord help us.
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  I'm skeptical, but God can do all things and with God, all things are possible.
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  So as someone said earlier today, I was talking to someone, God didn't hit a home run
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  with a crooked stick or something like that.
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  Anyway, yes, so God can do it, but man, our churches are not prepared, but this is a
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  moment to get ready because young people are searching.
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  We've seen the growth, the crazy growth in Bible sales and more people getting back to
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  church and even Christian music, a lot of things, but hopefully they're not going to the
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  wrong places.
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  But that's out of our hands.
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  God's sovereignty though, right, even if the gospel is preached vaguely, they can still
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  get it.
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  If they're reading the Bible, hopefully they are.
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  And I appreciate your ministry, again, friends, Andy Woods, ministries.org and look up
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  his pastor's point of view on YouTube, you can also find him on his website there.
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  There it is.
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  Brother, thanks for your time.
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  We appreciate your voice and your commentary.
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  Thank you very much.
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  David, great to be here.
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  Thanks for having me.
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  And most welcome, sir.
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  All right, guys, so much more we could have gotten to, but man, it's a challenge with
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  the shorter podcast.
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  But here we go.
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  We'll keep it going.
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  Thanks to you and your support and prayers.
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  God bless you.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.