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S6 Bonus Episode Justice for Ruby · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to True Crime and Wine Time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Terry and I'm Lama.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are. Here, we are well you guys. Hello,
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  Speaker 2: That's true. I agree, I know you that is very true. Well, Terry,
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  Speaker 2: why don't you tell us what we will be covering
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  Speaker 2: it tonight?
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  Speaker 1: But I'm going to give a trigger warning because before
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  Speaker 1: we get into tonight's case, I want to advise everyone
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  Speaker 1: grab some tissues, grab your wall, and grab your alcohol. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because tonight's episode is one that is deeply personal and
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  Speaker 1: is an incredibly difficult journey. Because we are joined by Nicole,
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  Speaker 1: who is a woman who never expected to find herself
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  Speaker 1: fighting from justice in a heart room. But who is
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  Speaker 1: now doing exactly that for someone she loved with her
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  Speaker 1: whole heart.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Nicole saw Ruby, who is so was
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  Speaker 2: so stinking adorable, was shot and killed by Nicole's stepfather.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah stepfather. Now what followed was not only the shock
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  Speaker 2: and grief of losing her her best friend, who was
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  Speaker 2: she was only like a year old, she has a
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  Speaker 2: little baby thing, but the unraveling of lies, criminal charges,
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  Speaker 2: a rejected plea deal, and the painful reality that seeking
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  Speaker 2: justice has cost her relationships within her own family. And
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  Speaker 2: now this case is now headed to trial. And we
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  Speaker 2: don't usually cover this sort of stuff. It doesn't pop up, really,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who does this? Who does I know?
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  Speaker 1: And here on True Crime and Wine Time we talk
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  Speaker 1: about crime, accountability and the ripple effects that violence leaves behind.
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  Speaker 1: Tonight we're talking about all of that through the lens
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  Speaker 1: of loyalty, love, betrayal, and resilience. And with that I
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  Speaker 1: would like to and fight. Nicle. Thank you for being here,
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  Speaker 1: and most important for of course, thank you for trusting
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  Speaker 1: us with Ruby's story, because we are honored to have you,
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  Speaker 1: and we are ready to listen and derage with you,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to try not to get in the
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  Speaker 1: car and drive to New Jersey and take thank you hands,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited to be here. I wish it was, of course,
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  Speaker 3: under different circumstances, but I'm thankful for any platform I'm
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  Speaker 3: able to share Ruby's story on, to hope hopefully helps
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  Speaker 3: like victims of similar crimes or people who are seeking justice.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm just you know, I'm here to you know,
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  Speaker 3: make sure that Ruby's life mattered. So thank you for
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  Speaker 3: inviting me on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not only for Ruby, but for other animals as.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly at least they are our children, and anyone
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  Speaker 1: who wants to say otherwise come at me.
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  Speaker 3: No my retweet.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, they have tons of personality. I mean, everybody
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  Speaker 2: knows my dogs, Zoe especially has quite the personality. It's
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  Speaker 2: not a nice one, but she has one. No, that's
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  Speaker 2: really you know. Bringing awareness to this sort of thing
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  Speaker 2: is very, very powerful. So I'm glad you are because
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  Speaker 2: it can't be you know, you can't be the only
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  Speaker 2: one that something similar has happened to.
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, No, I keep seeing everybody like in my TikTok comments,
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  Speaker 3: story time and there's so many people who are victims
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  Speaker 3: of the similar crime who never got to seek justice
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  Speaker 3: because of family dynamics or nobody cared enough to like
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  Speaker 3: on the outside to help them pursue justice and like
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  Speaker 3: law enforcement and stuff. Hi, Tom, And so we started
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  Speaker 3: like a little support group within that community. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's truly eye opening to see how many people go
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  Speaker 3: through this and a lot of it goes unreported or
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  Speaker 3: undetected because of the you know, family dynamics.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how I found her, was on TikTok and
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  Speaker 1: I even had to Ziller the first time we talked.
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  Speaker 1: I live in Texas. This is not something that I
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  Speaker 1: think would be a huge deal in Texas because yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll get into it, but yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What are we each drinking tonight before we do? Because
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  Speaker 2: as we told everybody, you better bring a bottle. You're
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  Speaker 2: gonna need it.
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  Speaker 1: I did, and I am having a feeling for because
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  Speaker 1: that's all it says. And I was like, Okay, it's pink,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have lots of feelings, but it's a
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  Speaker 1: sparkling rose from Chile. And I did bring the whole
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  Speaker 1: bottle because I think I'm gonna need more than a
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  Speaker 1: glass tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: It does say it has a brilliant pale rose color,
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  Speaker 1: which it does, but it says it has an intense
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  Speaker 1: flavor of raspberry, mandarin and lime, which I'm gonna tell
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  Speaker 1: you is kind of weird. And I will say the
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  Speaker 1: first sip was a little rough, but now it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it looks good.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody on our vertical is telling me how the wrong setup. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: vertical of people for you. We're so new to the
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  Speaker 2: vertical and horizontal things. We look so much better. Well tonight,
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  Speaker 2: I am drinking. I too, brought the bottle Oliver's Cherry moscato.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why we both picked the roseish ones,
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  Speaker 2: but it's pretty good. It does have a little alcohol tent,
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  Speaker 2: which is six was important to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, soe Cherry do better when ordering the wine
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  Speaker 1: deliveries for each of us.
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  Speaker 2: It's less about how it tastes, okay, and more of
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  Speaker 2: the alcohol. I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 3: The minus twelve point five, yeah, well, I'm drinking zero
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  Speaker 3: percent because of the snowstorm, so I am envious. But
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  Speaker 3: I would be drinking like a ruby red grapefruit rose
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  Speaker 3: type of wine on the rose train with you. Guys,
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  Speaker 3: and I love that an honor Ruby, so I.
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  Speaker 2: Know, well that's why I picked That's why I picked mine,
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  Speaker 2: the cherry one, because I was like, oh, her name's
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  Speaker 2: Ruby Red. So yeah, that's why I picked that one.
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  Speaker 3: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I have to ask, because you're in New Jersey, how
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  Speaker 1: many inches of snow? Because I live in Texas as
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  Speaker 1: you know, Austin. I think the most we've ever had
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  Speaker 1: here is four five mentions, So to me, that's a snowstorm.
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  Speaker 1: But you guys got twenty str inches.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, work was canceled the last two days. Can't
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  Speaker 3: get out of our driveways. It's you know, we require
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  Speaker 3: will get towed if it's on the road type of situation.
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  Speaker 3: A lot, yeah, even stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's going to take a while to get rid of. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: quite a while, quite a while. All right, Well let's
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  Speaker 2: go ahead and get into two things tonight.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, you want to Nicole, thank you again for
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  Speaker 1: coming on and sharing Ruby's story. I have to say,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, I am very thankful that you responded
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  Speaker 1: to my TikTok dam because I don't normally reach out
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  Speaker 1: to people in DMS. I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I was just thankful that you've reached out, so the
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  Speaker 3: feeling's neutral.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and hopefully you're not getting all of the crazy
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  Speaker 1: dms that always I do.
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  Speaker 3: But I try to, you know, I try to answer
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  Speaker 3: everybody and give them the benefit of the doubt.
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  Speaker 4: But but yeah, I think you messaged me too that night,
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  Speaker 4: was like, hey, yeah, I in this interview and I
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  Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I don't even know what you're talking about,
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  Speaker 4: but okay, I was like, just to learn about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I appreciate it because I have to tell you,
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  Speaker 1: I have thought about this so much. I can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: how hard this is for you. Because I'm a huge
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  Speaker 1: animal lover. My goal is to one day, if I
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  Speaker 1: ever win the lottery, I want to have a ranch
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  Speaker 1: big enough to save all of the senior dogs that
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  Speaker 1: can't get adopted.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've had everything from we won't even go down that,
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  Speaker 1: we won't even go down that. But I admire you
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  Speaker 1: because I have to say I'm a strong person. And
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's because I live in Texas. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I would have had the strength to go through
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  Speaker 1: what you've had to go through.
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  Speaker 3: So I want you to tell me and saying that.
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  Speaker 1: About Ruby, and I want to know how you became
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  Speaker 1: her mom.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, it's yeah, sorry, like off the batom, just like
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  Speaker 3: feeling so my things. Ruby was like my best friend
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  Speaker 3: in the whole world. She was curious. Friend chies or
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  Speaker 3: are notoriously nosy. She was nosy, but she was so sweet.
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  Speaker 3: She was just so gentle, and she was like the
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  Speaker 3: epitome of the most perfect dog ever. And I got
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  Speaker 3: to be Ruby's mom because my husband and I we
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  Speaker 3: were babysitting another friend she that looked exactly like Ruby.
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  Speaker 3: Her name was Lucy, and I babysat. We babysat her,
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  Speaker 3: and we just absolutely fell in love like friend chees like.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't understand the hype. I knew that they were
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  Speaker 3: unethically bred. I knew that if, like, if I got
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  Speaker 3: a dog in my adult life, that it would be
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  Speaker 3: like a rescue dog or something like that. I never
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  Speaker 3: envisioned myself being a frindchie mom. Then we babysat Lucy,
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  Speaker 3: and Lucy just was sitting on my lap at all times.
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  Speaker 3: She was so snugly, she was so silly. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think I smiled that big and so long. I have
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  Speaker 3: a gloraphobia and panic disorder, so like after babysitting Lucy.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, did we crack the code? Like I
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  Speaker 3: can like leave my house Like this is great. So
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  Speaker 3: I kept asking Lucy's mom if we could babysit her,
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  Speaker 3: and my husband and I were like, maybe we'll get
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  Speaker 3: a dog, you know, we'll get our own Lucy. So
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  Speaker 3: we took like six months. We saved our money. You know,
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  Speaker 3: friendchies are expensive. We like did a lot of research
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  Speaker 3: because again I know that they're on that unethically bred enough.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna, you know, be a dog mom to
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  Speaker 3: a dog.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, about that, what do you mean they're unethically bred?
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  Speaker 3: So basically a friend see, friend chies are like made
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  Speaker 3: in a in a lab. They can't give birth on
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  Speaker 3: their own. They have to have sea sections. It's like
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  Speaker 3: they combined embryos together, they implanted into the the mommy
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  Speaker 3: friend she It's that's why they're so expensive and that's
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  Speaker 3: why if you don't.
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  Speaker 1: So all frenchies are that.
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  Speaker 3: Way essentially, but if you let a friend she give
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  Speaker 3: birth naturally, it's considered like a big no no because
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  Speaker 3: their hips are so little and that's like could be
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  Speaker 3: very dangerous, full and dangerous for them.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just like a Zonki.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's it's definitely a whole industry for sure.
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  Speaker 3: That again I never wanted to be a part of
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  Speaker 3: but I fell in love so here I am. So Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we got our own Ruby.
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  Speaker 1: Love makes us do things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we got our own Ruby. And she was
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  Speaker 3: the love like love of our love of our lives.
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  Speaker 3: We got her two days before my husband's thirtieth birthday.
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  Speaker 2: And so you a tribute as somebody else that had
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  Speaker 2: agoraphobia for a few years, the people that helped save
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  Speaker 2: me was my online friend. I assumed that Ruby was yours.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, like tenfold. I had the kind of anxiety where
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't drive in the car without throwing up and
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  Speaker 3: gagging and making myself sick. And one of the you know,
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  Speaker 3: I remember taking a three hour car ride with Ruby
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  Speaker 3: to go visit my best friend who just bought a house.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't throw up, I didn't gage like it
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  Speaker 3: was unreal. She was your medication, No, she really was.
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  Speaker 3: She really was.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I'm already crying, so sorry.
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  Speaker 1: So then you got Ruby. So I want to hear
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  Speaker 1: what her personality was like. Did she live up to
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  Speaker 1: Lucy or did she surpassed Little Lucy.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be biased because we love Lucy.
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  Speaker 1: Like we still love Lucy.
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  Speaker 3: She surpassed everything. She was so goofy, she was like
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  Speaker 3: really eager to learn, and we were just so bonded
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  Speaker 3: in so attached. The first night we brought her home,
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: I never wanted to create her, but like you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm reading online, I never had my own puppy before.
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  Speaker 3: So we put her in the crate. She cried once
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, that's it. We're never creating this
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  Speaker 3: dog again. And she slept like this on me until
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  Speaker 3: she was a puppy, until you know, one of our
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  Speaker 3: last days together.
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  Speaker 5: So so yeah, I know everybody says you should create,
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  Speaker 5: sleep them and create train them, but I'm gonna tell
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  Speaker 5: you there is I'm.
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  Speaker 3: A helicopter mom.
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  Speaker 1: Not nothing like having them snuggle with you in bed
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  Speaker 1: because our little chia palm, she crawls up right here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the best. It really is the best.
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  Speaker 1: So tell us what an ordinary day look like with
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  Speaker 1: me and her mom.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so in ordinary day, I mean luckily and not luckily,
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  Speaker 3: I had, you know, we got Ruby as a puppy,
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  Speaker 3: and I I set up all these babysitters for rumy
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  Speaker 3: because I didn't want her to be home by herself.
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  Speaker 3: So I was telling my husband that these people, like
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: you know, my sorority sisters and like my friends, were
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  Speaker 3: just donating their time.
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  Speaker 1: Good mom to babysit Ruby.
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  Speaker 3: But meanwhile I was like paying them all and it
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  Speaker 3: was like, where's all your money going? And I'm like, oh,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: you know, so I was paying all these babysitters to
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: take care of her because I just was obsessed with her.
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  Speaker 3: But then I lost my job due to sexual harassment
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  Speaker 3: back in April, so luckily I got to have the
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  Speaker 3: whole summer with her, and a typical day would be
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  Speaker 3: waking up with her on top of me, you know,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: having some breakfast. And I was so crazy. I wanted
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  Speaker 3: like an activity to do with her. Every day. We
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: would go get a pup cup, or if I had
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: to leave the house for like an hour. I read
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  Speaker 3: that every time you leave the house, dogs think that
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  Speaker 3: you're going hunting for them for food, So I would
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: make sure that I came back with a treat for
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: her to let you know that, like, you know, mommy
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  Speaker 3: was out hunting or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Like that you were out hunting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So okay, I love it. I'm a bad mom.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a bad I have never them. I never thought
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  Speaker 1: now I bring them a treat every day, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't buy it that day. I just have. I mean
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  Speaker 1: even my goats, we call it goat crack.
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  Speaker 3: I have cheese balls and that's true, so cute. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the gas station around the corner from me had like,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: you know, little dog sticks. Every time I, you know,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: came home. I just ran in there wraped dog stick
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  Speaker 3: and you know, it's like Mommy's home. So we just
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  Speaker 3: had the best day ever. Every single day, just my
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  Speaker 3: little shadow. We did everything. We would play catch, you know.
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  Speaker 3: We made the most of the time. Told my husband
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  Speaker 3: came home from work and then his two girls were
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  Speaker 3: waiting for him. You know, me and Ruby.
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  Speaker 2: That's adorable. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: And Mama, I just realized, I'm not sure that we
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: told you that there is a slide show. Nope, Amos
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  Speaker 1: finished it and messaged to me. I still do not
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  Speaker 1: know how to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Into find it.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Or the thing I just thought of that. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: because there's pictures of Ruby. Ruby even we camp and
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  Speaker 1: it looked.
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  Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah we went camping in Uh yeah, that
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  Speaker 3: was actually my father in law's backyard. We did a
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: summer camping and she stayed with us in the tent
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  Speaker 3: the whole night, just sew down for anything.
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  Speaker 1: Because we take our dogs camping and we camp out
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  Speaker 1: in the backyard too, grand kids and with that, so
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  Speaker 1: I was like, there's a video. Uh So I have
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  Speaker 1: to ask when you think of Ruby, now, what is
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: your first memory that comes to mind from when you
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: when you got her.
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  Speaker 3: This is so hard because there are so many good ones.
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  Speaker 3: But probably like a week after we brought her home,
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  Speaker 3: my husband and I were like, you know, helicopter parents,
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  Speaker 3: because like this is she's like this big and we
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: went out to go get dog food and oh my,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: that's my girl.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: We went out to go get dog food in my
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: husband's truck and then his gas gage stopped working and
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: then he ran out of gas. So it's me, Nick
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: and Ruby on the side of the road ran out
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: of gas and just hit just all three of us
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: together trying to figure out what to do. And then
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: she just was sleeping like the whole time in the middle,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: just like I don't know, that's just one of like
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: a fond memory because like we were all three of us,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: we stuck it was like the first time as a
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: family that like we like, we're so worried about like
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Ruby being stuck in the car with us, and you know,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: who was going to take the uber home, Who's going
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: to get gas? Who was going to stay with her?
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So like this girl, that picture I fell in love
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: what I thought of, Like, okay, I have to include that.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: She looks so mad in some of these pictures. Like,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: but I just like, she's just so cud. She didn't mean,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: she didn't mean. Yeah, she just was being silly.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Girl. That's adorrible. We did we ask you why you
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: went with the name Ruby.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I don't. My husband picked it out and she got
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: we got a dog tag for her, like six months
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: before we got her. We just were like, we're going
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: to see our Ruby and we're gonna know.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, so we love that. Yeah, Oh my god,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: look at that one. That's so cute.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Her ears were so big, my little girl. Yeah, she
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: was only one.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Adorable. Now now comes the rough stuff. Let's tell us
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: about the weekend, the night that led up to justice
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: for Ruby.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was in my best friend's wedding. I
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: was a bridesmaid and the you know, I left the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: house really early. That Friday, was October third. I left
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: the house at like six am, because you know, bridesmaid's duties,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: you gotta you know, go and get ready all day.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: And yeah, Ruby woke up with me and we didn't
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: have any dog food left in the house because I
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: don't know why. So I door dashed her McDonald's because
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I'm a psychopath. So I door dashed her some eggs
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: and bacon and shes path.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I then she went back into bed with
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: my husband, and I was like, Okay, you have to
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: drop Rupie off at my parents at you know, three
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: o'clock or whatever if we want to make it in
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: time to church. So Nick had dropped her off at
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: my parents' house and he you know, met me at
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: the wedding and you know, how to drop off go.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: It did good.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: She got settled in. My parents had always babysat for us,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: which is why part of the reason why we were
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: able to get a puppy was because I was able
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: to rely on them to you know, watch her while
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I was at work in tandem with those other dogs sitting, yeah,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: in tandem with those you know dog sitters and stuff.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I hired throughout the week and my mom was off Sundays,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Mondays and Tuesdays, so anyway, so they watched her. So
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: this the only difference was this was her first time
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: sleeping there. So I packed her a little bag, you know,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: gave them very strict instructions. I was like, she has
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: to sleep in the bed with you guys. She has
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: to sleep in the bed with you guys. Like I
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: just was like, you know, They're like, okay, we got it.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: We got it. And my parents have another dog her size,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: so she was really excited to go to Jiuji Grandpa's
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: house is what we called them. So We're at the
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: wedding and I'm sitting at the table with uh you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I was sitting at the table with some guests that
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't know. So I made a joke and I
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, like, my child is having her first
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: sleepover tonight. And they were like, oh, like how old
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: is she? And I was like, you know, I showed
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: her a picture like revealing that it's a dog, and
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, like, let me FaceTime my mom.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: So I FaceTime my mom like no answer. And this
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: was at six twenty like six twenty two. Wish so
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I called my mom like eight times from like six
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: twenty two to six twenty seven. No answer.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Then it was time for like, you know, their first
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: dances and stuff. I put my phone down and I
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: was in the moment. And then at eight twenty two,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: my husband calls me and he's like, I think you
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: need to come outside. And I was like, why, what's wrong?
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Because I looked around. I'm like, oh my god, Nick's
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: not here, like and he was like I was just
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: really thinking to come outside, and it's sound like he
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: was crying. And I was like, did my dad die?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Did my dad die? Because my dad he lives in Florida,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: he's got MS and like the month prior he uh
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: he was he fell unconscious in his sleep, and you
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: know that was really scary. So immediately like, okay, my
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: dad died, Like I took off my shoes. I'm running
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: on the golf course to meet my husband and he's
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: on his knees and he's like, Ruby's gone. And I'm like,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: what do you mean She's gone? Like let's let's go
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: find her, Like what do you mean? And he was
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: like no, like she died. And we both fell to
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: our knees and just started crying our eyes out, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I was in so much shock, and I was like
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: what do I do? Like what do we do? And
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: he was like, well, we have to go get her, so,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: you know, I the other bridesmaids in the wedding. I
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: was like, don't tell Audrey what happened, you know that,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: just you know, I have to go. And we were
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: flying down the parkway. It was about like a thirty
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: five minute car ride. So I felt like eternity.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Felt like so on my my stomach, wasn't It felt
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: like a gut punch, like driving there, like and I'm
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: just sobbing, like my my eyelashes off my face and
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I'm at this point, I'm still trying to call my
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: mom and she's not answering me. So I called my dad,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: who again, like I said, is you know, in Florida.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: And I really try not to burden him, but like
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: stuff like this, but at this like who else can
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: you turn to? Ye, because in any other situation like this,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I would call my mom or my stepdad because you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: they're so close in proximity, and they were like my people.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: So I called my dad and I was like, I
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: don't know what to do. I never lost a dog before.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I'm so scared. I can't look at her body, Like
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: what do I do when I get there? I just
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: was nothing could prepare you for like that moment. And
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: and we were told that she was attacked by an animal.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, I don't want to see like like
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: all like whatever happened to her, Like I'm just yeah,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: so like I'm so scared. I kept telling my dad,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I'm so scared. I'm so scared. I'm so scared, and
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: he was like and then flipping to my husband's perspective,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: he got a text from my stepdad at nine to eighteen,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: like right before we pulled up, I have like my
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: little notebook here of stuff, so I don't remember saying
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: don't let Nicole come here like a psychopath. We all
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: went through a way too much to deal with her
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: bullshit right now. So I saw that message coming through
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: on the phone and I was like, okay. So my
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: dad suggested me calling a peacekeeper cop if they're gonna,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: you know, think I'm gonna show up like a psychopath,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: which right fully, so then I.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Greething mom is not a psychopath. For anybody watching a
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: grieving mom is not a psychopath, so and label.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: It thank you and so he.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So so.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: And at that point, I was not upset with my parents.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: I was, you know, accidents happened. I actually felt empathetic
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: for them because I can't imagine babysitting their dog and
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: start a freak accident happening, and then having to face
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: them with this.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think that they wouldn't like why wouldn't
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: you think that?
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: The only thing I was upset about, and this is
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: what I like. As soon as we pulled up to
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: their house. The only thing I was upset about was
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I didn't get to say goodbye, like you know, I'm
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: like I I you know, I'm like I called you
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: five times at the table, like why didn't like, why
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: couldn't you just answer me?
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Why did they ext her husband instead of being.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Because they asked him if they could if he would
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: tell me in the morning, because they were scared.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I go, clearly, harry because she had emotions and feelings.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I guess a woman. So you'll learn real quick about us.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: We get it. We're women are as. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: one can kiss my ass.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So my husband was like I'm not doing to
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Nicole what you guys would be doing to her in
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: this situation, which is clearly you would be hiding it
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: from her and trying to tell her in the morning. Like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: so I'm so happy that my husband was like, absolutely not,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: despite it being my best friend's wedding. It was the
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: right thing to do for me to be there. And
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: a little like backstory, like real quick is my mom
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: owns a hair salon and she's got an assistant who's
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: like my age, I'm thirty, and I always, you know,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: she always like labeled herself like as like you know, like, oh,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: we're sisters, because like she's so close to my mom,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: but I always felt like a little bit left out
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: between her and my mom's relationship. So okay, flashboards to
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: that night of we pull up to my parents' house
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: and then my mom and the assistant get out of
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the core with Ruby in a box and I'm like
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: she called her, yeah but you but not me, right,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: And at that point the cops pulled up at the
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: same time for the peacekeeper cop and you know, we
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: approached the door like you know, to get my step
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: dad out of the house, and he was like just cursing,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: and he was like, I can't believe he called the
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: effing cops. You really think like I was cruel to
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: your dog, like just completely. He literally just was like,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: get the off my property, like you know, like he
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: just kicked us off the property. My mom and her
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: assistant handed me Ruby in a box and show go.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: So we go down to this like another street, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: we're just sitting on the curb crying, like the cop
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: is like talking to them, right, yeah, So they separated us.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: A different policeman went to them, and another policeman was
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: sitting with us, and the policeman sitting with us said,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: if you think it's foul play, you know, we'll bring
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: her to the necropsy lab. But I do want to
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: let you know, like if it is foul play, you know,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: we will take, you know, action against your parents. So
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: in my head, I would never think that it was
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: what had happened. And I'm thinking if what was an
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: animal attack shows up to be confused with a cruelty
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: crime or something like, I can't no, I don't know
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: if I could like live with that, you know, and
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, so a decision, right,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: and everybody.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Watching I did read the police report. You told them, No,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: you didn't think anything. The fury has happened. You're alarmed
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: because your dad said, don't let her come here. Being
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: all I put psycho with emotional because I had an
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: next husband used to tell me, oh, it's that time
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: of the month. She's a psycho. I hate that, I know,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: and I hate that so, uh, you did not initially.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: It's not like your first thought was like, oh, they
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: did something, what did you do?
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was It's not for you at all. I
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: just was again so upset that I didn't get me goodbye.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe your thought if they did do something and
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, maybe they ran over the dog because
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: she's super small, or like in some way it was
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: an accidental not intentional. Yeah you know.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And my mom wasn't even going there. Honestly, I
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: just was like, okay, it was she probably ate something,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: like I never even would think that they would be
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: capable of hurting.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Their dog is a smaller dog who's like older, right, Yeah, yep,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: she's like my childhood dog.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: She's like seventeen.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bland, it wasn't their dog who attacked it exactly.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: That there was not it's not like, Okay, call this
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: other dog to come at them, exactly. It's like my
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: little Jasmine, she's a little old lady.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So the like my stepdad had told us that
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: she was attacked by an animal outside and like he
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: like noticed that throughout the night she was bleeding, and
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: like before he knew it, it was too late. Like and
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: then the cop, the other cop approached him to ask him,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: like what had happened, and then he maybe she got
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: hit by a car or like maybe she ate something
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: like I don't really know.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: You'll let her out by herself to go to the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: bathroom in the front yard.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: That's what he claimed, but the evidence shows that she
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: never left the house once that night.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get to that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, yeah, she actually.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Let that dog out the front door to go in, right,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but like when she's literally one years old.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: So so yeah, we're separated, and I'm like sitting on
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: the curb, like wondering, like why isn't my mom sitting
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: with me right now? Like what that interaction was so weird?
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: But like you know, you know.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Is your mom at home?
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: When so it was no, she was at work and
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: from my understanding. My stepdad called her and was like
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I need help basically, and then that's when she left
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: work with the assistant and then they went there convened.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: And cold and not comfort you. Right, yeah, even matter
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: what happened.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, I'm like, why is it my mom next
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: to me right here on this curb?
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Her step dad correct me if my memory is wrong.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: When we talk, he was like important to you. He
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: was like the guy you went to, like my husband
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: is my kid's stepdad, but like you called him when
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: things were rough. It's not like you had an estranged relationship.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: He's one of your people's that.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he like got me through like again, like
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: my you know, anxiety and a gloraphobia and all this
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: stuff Like I used to like make myself sleep deprived
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: because I convinced myself I was gonna die in my sleep,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: like all this awful stuff that I would I would
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: call him pritting you yeah, and I would be calling
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: him like in the middle of the night because you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: my mom sleeps like you know, rock, So I'd be
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: calling him and like you know, okay her yeah so
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: so yeah, but you know, so I would never andticipate
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: them doing something like this. So we went home with
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Ruby at like you know, with Ruby in the box,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: and I don't know what to do. We're like, we
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: have to keep her cold, like, you know, just so
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: we put her in the garage and we put like
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: flowers on her box. So I never really talked about this.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Out loud, Okay.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: I put ice packs, you know, underneath her little box,
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: and like we said a prayer, we said goodbye, and
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: what everybody year was this? This was in October, so
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: it was like it was a little bit colder, but
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: like not cold enough just to leave her out there.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: So you know, we put so it's like eleven thirty
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: now and we're trying to find like, you know, places
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: that will do you know, twenty four seven cremation because
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: I felt so bad that she was just in the
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: box in there and nobody, nobody could come. So I
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: couldn't sleep in the bed that night.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Because how you know, how could I. So my husband
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: and I we slept on our couch together bar We
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: didn't sleep, but like that's where we you know, we
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: just hugged each other and just laid there until the
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: morning came up. And then my husband went outside and
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I was making a lot of phone calls. My uh,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: one of my best friends came over and she took
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: all of Ruby's toys and like put it in a
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: box and stuff because every time I looked at it
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: like just made me sick.
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: And so my husband, you know, it was calling like
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: a lot of like family members and stuff like that,
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: like I don't know what to do, like you know, And.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: My husband came back inside and he was like there
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: was a hole in her face. And I was like,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I wonder what animal could have been then, like you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: like what kind of like I'm just you know, me
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: being so naive and night and the same with my husband,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: like like like a porcupine, like what kind of when?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: You know, Like, so we were really at a loss.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: And a family member that we called that I was
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: on the phone with, he said, why don't you put
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: me on the phone with Nick and tell Nick to
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: go outside? And I was like.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Why, why?
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: And Nick came back inside and he was like, I
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: think we should make her get her like an X
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: ray or something like cancel the pickup for for cremation
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: and let's see if we can get her in for
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: an X ray just for peace. Of mind to see
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: like what actually happened. And I was like okay, And
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: that phone call my husband had outside was him explaining
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: that sounds like my stepdad shot her, like just because
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: they went and like Nick facetimed, you know, to show
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: him the hole and stuff like that. Because I still
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: haven't seen any pictures of her like that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I couldn't.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Don't. I'm gonna just tell you now, don't.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna. So we brought her to her
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: vet because the vet that my mind brought her to
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: uh wasn't giving us any answers because they checked Ruby
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: in under a different name, so we technically weren't the owners,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: so we were we I was on a hold, but
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: the VET for like an that emergency that for like
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: an hour and a half to the point where I
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: called and beeped in on a blocked number and they
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: were like that you know, and I was like, yeah,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: I've been on the phone for an hour and a
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: half with you guys, like what happened to my dog
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: that night? So anyway, we brought her to her bet
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I can't tell.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: You real quick just if you need this. Married to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: my ex husband was an emergency room VET and I
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: was a VET tech there at the clinic. Oh boy,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: they could have given you the information. This is is
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: not humans, this is not a hip a violation. Yeah, yeah,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: they could have given you the information. But on their
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: given them grace. They may have suspected something was wrong
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and they didn't want to get pulled into illegal.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: At Oh for sure. I did hear chatter that, like
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: some workers there reached out to me saying I suspected.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I suspected. And you can't do anything if the person
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: bring you can't really do you can't retaliate against the
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: person bringing their dog in for something considering they and
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: that's a lot of people do.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: With their names. Yeah that makes sense. I mean it
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense, but yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, you were doing right by asking.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we ended up having to subpoena that information
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: to find out what happened. But but anyway, so you know,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I bring her, We bring it to the vet and
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: he was like, I could run an X ray. But
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: he was like, just by looking at her, there's no
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: signs of road rash, no signs of struggles. Like, let's
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: run an x ray. And then when the doctor came
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: out of you know, because we're all outside. It was me,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: my husband Nick, and then my father in law had
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: came down.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: To be their parents. They were with you.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and on his face when he came out was like,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: there's a bullet in there. And that's when he was like,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going to call the cops. And then they were
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: all like taking pictures and the like. I just felt
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: like all the blood drained from my body and I
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: just felt like I don't even know what I felt.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: They're just completely like numb and shock, Like I can't
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: like wondering, like you, how.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Do you prepare for that to be an option? No?
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah, exactly.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Let alone it was in the care of your parents, Like,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: that's the last person I would ever think I would
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: It's my job.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, awful.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's what happened.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Goodness.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: So when they told you it was a bullet you
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: had to I'm sure your first thought go to your stepdad. Yeah,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: say that, why don't you tell us what your you
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: know a little bit about your step dad in his
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: collection of items?
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Yes, so my stepfather is like the cops categorized this well,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: they called him like a doomsday prepper, which fits him
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: kind of well. He is like a gun instructor. Like
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: in the police report, he just self described himself as
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I'm a gun guy, like, you know, I know what
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: I'm doing a round a gun. Like he just is
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: very into that type of stuff, which I don't align
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: my ideal you know, my ideals with but like you
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: know that that was him and there was you know.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: What, I was a gun trainer, so he knew gun.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, he was a firearms instructor exactly, so he
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: knew what to do, yes, exactly, and what not to
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: do and all thet.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: It's like a billion times worse for him. That is
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: not going to go well for him in court.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: That was the first thing that I thought of of.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's not good.
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: But yeah, So how did it feil to hear your
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: dog had been shot knowing it was with your stepdad
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: who you love, you adored, and as a gun instructor.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like it doesn't connect for me.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just was like I'm like, did they hide
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: this from me? Like there's no way my mom knew
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: about Like, like there's no way my mom like like
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: knew that this happens. Like she's definitely eating up whatever
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: story he's telling her, and she just running with it,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: like like I just wanted to know everything what happened,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: but my husband was like, don't contact them, like like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: let's just like brainstorm on what to do. And my
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: stepdad was texting Nick the next day. I still don't
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: get an apology from anyone in my family. But he
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: was texting Nick that he was more sick sick about
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: what happened than we were, and he thought that we
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: would all be crying together. So we just like kept
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: ignoring his messages. And when the cops got there, I said,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I can this is this the grounds for a restraining order?
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Because now I'm scared, like like that was my my,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: my best friend in the whole world, and I was
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: lied to. Now there's a bullet in her face, like
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: and he's got weapons at home, Like, let's like I
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: thought about.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: My mom to reach out to apologize. He didn't reach
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: out to comfort you.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: No, No, I didn't even I didn't get No. I
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: had to call my mom that morning before we brought
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: her to the VET, and I was like, we're bringing
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: her in for an autopsy and if there's foul play,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: this is going to be a really big deal. So
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: what happened to my dog? And she was like nothing,
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: like an animal. I don't know what happened, you know,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: so believe that she know.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but she doesn't. I'm giving her what happened.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I'm damn well, that's why.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: She do grace maybe to her, I am.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I still don't know what happens because
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I got the restraining order approved and they're then all
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: communication had been cut on.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: So call your mom and tell your mom that you
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: just had the autopsy done and they ruby had been shot.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: No, no, so I wanted to. I wanted to.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: But I will say, your husband is a very intelligent man,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: isn't he. Yeah, he's supportive, but he is doing the
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: right thing by not having you contact her, because let
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: me tell you, I would have driven straight to their
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: house and I would be in jail right now raising
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: money to get me out.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, I would help fillow you out too, I know,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: like I'm people are like I would be like, we're
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: in that yellow, that orange jumpsuit with him, and you
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: know that's as much as you know that makes sense.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And like, how were the officers when they came to
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the vet clinic.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: They the officer was a badass woman. She cried with
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: me and then she got She literally was like I
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: got you, like, you know, we're gonna get your restraining
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: order approved. Like she was ten out of ten. The
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: cops kept me posted every step of the way when
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: they did the search, warn on their house and stuff
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: like that. They're like, where your parents are going to
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: be to night. They like kept in constant communication with
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: me because I called them every single day because the
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: arrest of my stepfather didn't happen until November three, So
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I called that police station probably three times a day
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: for thirty one days, and they were so nice to me.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: They were so nice to me, and I feel sad
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: not for people who don't have that same experience. I
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: don't know if it's because I'm in a small town
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: or something like that.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's your state because I love that and
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: it means it can happen everywhere people hold on to
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: hope it happened there. It can happen.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah goodness.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Uh so, yeah, they were great. They handled everything really swiftly,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: like they sent out the you know, once the X
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: ray revealed that it was a bullet, they sent her
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: to the to the lab, to the ballistics lab in
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: that same night or I think within forty eight hours,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: they confiscated all of his weapons from the house, right and.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: And he and yeah, okay, I just need you to clarify.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: He didn't have a couple of guns, guys. I mean,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I do live in Texas, and I do people with
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of guns. He had a lot of guns.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Yeahading rereading that report was something that really made my
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: jog on the floor because I knew that, you know,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: that there was the house.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: What if it was like a one year old daughter,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: or I mean he also had large ammunition stuff. Yeah,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I was reading it and
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: coming from a law enforcement you know, fabily, I was
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: like growing up in Texas, I'm like, okay, we never
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: had that much.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was definitely an excessive amount.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: It was excessive, Lama.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine he was happy about any of that,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: because that's you like a restraining order, you can't have them.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I bet he was pissed.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: So so yeah, and then the cops drove ound my
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: house every night to make sure that you know, he
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: wasn't you know, coming, you know, to because I knew.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, I told the you know, law enforcement
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: that once you take his guns away, he's going to
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: be so mad at me, like you know, So they
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: drove by my house every night and they made sure
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I was okay. So the experience I had with law
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: enforcement was like a very empathetic experience. My husband and I.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: After she got send off to the ballistics lab, my
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: husband and I went into the door interview separately. You know,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: with the detective, they try to call my mom numerous times.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: She wouldn't answer the phone to be interviewed. Same with
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: the assistant, Same with my stepfather. So it took them
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: a whole month for the ballistics report to come back.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: And then they arrested him on November three at his home.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: And my first question was was my mom there to watch?
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: And they said yes, And I said, okay, good, So
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: she knows that that this is what happens, you know, Like,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: you know, you can't get away with just being a
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: bad guy in lying and all this stuff, like and
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: you know, and again it's not me, it's it's you know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: the state of New Jersey versus him. But it would
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: be me, like if if the state didn't intervene of course,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: but like you know, i'm the civil later. Yeah, I'm
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: not like controlling you know them.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want forgot to in the state's hands. You
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: have no say in anything. No, I don't. I mean
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: you could give them what I opinion you don't want.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: They don't. They're not going to listen to you. They
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: don't exactly.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just a witness in the case. Now, sound
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: just like that's the thing, you know.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Like, what charges did they officially arrest him on.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: They arrested him on this unlawful discharge of a firearm,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: which is severe in New Jersey. Uh, animal cruelty, and
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: he had two illegal magazines. Again, I'm not really familiar
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: with guns. I think it's something that holds bullets and it's.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: An excessive amount. It is something that is illegal because
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you can fire off shots too quickly.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's what they found.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Change.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So those are the are the charges that he's facing.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately, the animal cruelty crime is the least severe.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: It's only a third degree time and the gun charges
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: is what's really helping the jail time on this case.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Can again, what year did this happen? I'm sorry recently.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I thought so. I thought so. But I just wanted
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: to clarify for myself and the audience as well that
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: this is very fresh in the state's investigation we have
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: going on here. Okay, I just wanted to clarify.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: And I just wanted to clarify. I personally feel that
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: you shoot a small dog that is more than animal cruelty.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Oh definitely, no, Yeah, that's insane. So but then we
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: have third and fourth degree animal cruelty charge like doesn't
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: go doesn't do first or second. So yeah, I would
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: love to change that one day. But you know, one
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: thing at a time, one thing.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: One thing at a time. You know.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I just know that that Ruby's case could set a
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: precedent if there's not one already there. You know. Yeah,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: presidents are good for future cases for when they are
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Hopefully I wish none of this would happen, but it's gonna. Yeah,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: it's gonna, and maybe that could make a difference that
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: way for someone who.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's experiences. They hope if anything good can come
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: out of this, it's you know, it's that So.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Hold on to now he's arrested, this happens, I'm going
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: to be respectful and nice, which I told you off.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about your mom because I
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: have my own opinions on that, being the mom who
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: has children who's been married and their step dad's in place.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: But my acronym for her is not any better then
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: what your step dad.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: But when it is today a Tuesday, is it a today?
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, see you next Tuesday.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, there we go, yep, and I with that.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Just but he got arrested and something that is
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: unusual to me, and we had to talk with Lama
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: earlier about because the state offered him a plea deal
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: and he has not been indicted yet, which I was like,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: what because I didn't realize because in Texas what happened
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: it would be totally different. But in New Jersey he's
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: looking at potentially ten years.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like yeah, when it's not concurrent, like if you're
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: looking at all their charges put together, it's that.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: They offered him a plea deal and then he turned
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: it down.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I mean it's really not surprising. I mean,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know the guy, but from the very few
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: things you said, he's not the type to just surrender
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: to the state's whim. If you will. I'm not surprised,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: yeah at all about that now I think about it,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: knowing all this other.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: What was that like when he turned down the play deal.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: So I in court that day. It was very quick,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: and I was really surprised. I was disappointed because, like
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: I thought, of course, like you know, justice is like,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: you know, punishment that matches the crime. No amount of
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: time in jail is going to be enough. But I
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: thought five years was a really big deal. And that's
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: what folks in the animal community at home were letting
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: me know too, that like like people don't get get
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: that much.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Exailtime five years. When I saw that, I was like,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: you know what, I could go to bed every night,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I might have a pillow and I could feel justice
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: with something.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, because you can't get back, yeah exactly. So
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: I was really hoping that he would take it, because
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: going to the thought of going to trial is just
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: like so daunting and oh my god, like is my
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: anxiety cut out for this? Like I can't have to
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: be strong and all these things. So I was disappointed,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: and then I had my head spinning, like in what
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: world would it be rationalized or Okay if this went
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: to trial, that like his you know that he you know,
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: killed my dog. So just so many thoughts going through
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: my head, like is gonna get away with this? But
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: part of the reason why he turned it down, I
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: learned was because they were waiting for him to receive
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: the rest of the evidence packet that they had due
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: to the case. So maybe he wanted to see like
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: what he was, like, what he's up against it. So
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: so yeah, he.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Wants to know before I played guilty today, really have
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: the receipt?
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we do.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, this is what any defendant should be doing,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: to be quite honest with you, I know, as a victim,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: it sucks, yeah, you know, but if for anyone that
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: is a defendant, these are all exactly what they should
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: be doing.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: We need to make sure that the well that makes
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: me feel better that it's like that's like the protocol.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: I guess I'm.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Not a lawyer, but I feel like whatever his lawyer is, lawyer,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I'm basically a lawyer. Not just kidding. This does sound
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: like normal advice that a lawyer would give anybody, not
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: even just him, you know, is you can either take
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: a plea, which when you do that, you're pleading guilty.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: There's no chance of appealing it at all. You're done.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Where if you say, with the trial and you're found guilty,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: there's a lot more that can be done after the fact,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: you know, because when you take it to trial, you
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: only need to convince one person that you didn't do it.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: But I will tell you this, a lot of defendants
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: will wait until the very last minute and then last
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: minute take that plea deal. That is way more common.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: That is, like, I forget the Is it like seven
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: percent of cases go to trial or something like that?
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, so there's still plenty of time day,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: plenty of time is but I'm not surprised these choices.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: They make my legal point of view.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: From a legal standpoint, but as a human standpoint and
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: as a dad's standpoint.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I don't got grace for him anymore. I do not
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: have grace for him anymore. I don't know he did
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: the right thing in the justice system and balancing that.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: So now that you have to potentially prepare for a
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: trial because I know you have a there's a court
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: date coming up in March, right, how is this emotionally
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: because I can't imagine that you were ever prepared to
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: emotionally handle this.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: No. Emotionally, Oh my gosh, I have nightmares every single night.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: I still haven't seen Ruby in any of my dreams,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: and I'm hoping like one night. But I have nightmares
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: about my parents all the time, about me, like asking
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: them like why don't you know? Tell my mom? Like
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: why didn't Why don't you believe me? Like just all
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: this stuff that I think about at night. Emotionally, I
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: feel awful that this happens on my best friend's wedding day.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: I like it overshadowed her day.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I you're supporting you.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, she she's I don't watch.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: She Yeah, she's a ride or die So I think
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: she's okay, nice, Yeah for sure.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: And emotionally I think about like like what she's scared?
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Like I think about this all like the time before
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: I go to bed. Like two weeks after it happened,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: I went to the hospital for a stomach ulcer. I
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: was throwing up blood, so I just couldn't eat anything.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: So it's just been you know, the sub days, Like
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: early on when this happened, I would want to pick
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: up the phone and call my mom and then remember
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: that I don't have her any work either because she
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: chose me Stepdad's side, So it really is emotionally it sucks.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna give you a tip. If you bite
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: your tongue when you're doing these shows, you don't cry
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: as much. I just now have blood in my mouth.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Oh no, on camera again.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I keep.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Your story about your mom.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: On the other hand, yeah, some people do. I feel
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: I will use some heartfelt apologies. I'm not surprised you're
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: not receiving anyone any of them right now, because again,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: there is this pending court battle, and the state will
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: use anything against whomever. It doesn't matter. But I think
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: you know a lot maybe the I don't know what
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: the online consensus is or society's consensus on well it's
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: just an animal or whatever. I have not heard of
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: a a animal case like this being taken seriously where
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: somebody is offered a plea deal of five years like
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: that was shocking to me, the amount of time, Like
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know that was an option to be the.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Only time I've ever seen it is for animal fighting,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: because that's something that happens in myself exactly, or a
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: family member. Because as I told you, when we talked
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Nicole in Texas, and that's why I asked what kind
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: of dog did your parents have? Because I was like,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: was it a pity? Was it a bully dog?
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: No, it was like a skate right.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Did your dad have a reason for self defense against
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: the dog? You know, I always try to give grace.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I always try to look on the other side. And
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: then when you told me it was well.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Cockapoo, was like, yeah, I'm running out all the time
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: to be able to to be able to give you
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: that yeah, yeah.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Oh but yeah, I'm just we're just gonna skip by.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I think I just have to ask, and I hate
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: to ask.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead, Oh, I was just gonna say, you know,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: to like, this is the state bringing charges? Okay, it
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: is not the DA, it's not you, all right, it's stable.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I just want to make that very clear with everyone
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: that the DA decided that this is something they want
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: to bring charges to. So if you have a problem,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: maybe go talk to the DA, because why else should
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: they pick up this case. They're not going to This
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: is an animal. And I do not mean to downgrade
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Ruby in any way, all right, but DA's aren't risking
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: their neck for animals for no bullshit reason. Okay, that
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: mis means and that's but there is some evidence here
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: that they want to bring charges. So just to let
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: whoever needs to hear that, now, that's how that works.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just let you know, lady and Greg you're correct,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Grace went out the window because he didn't even try
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: to lie. And you know he didn't even try to lie.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah he did.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, Kelly, she was just less than a year old.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: She was less than a year old.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Chine out a baby.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: But just how you're grieving the loss of Ruby, which
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: is unimaginable. Some of my friends give me a hard
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: time because when we like when I last lost my
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Mickey six months, I was still crying and it was
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: a natural. Yeah, but I can't imagine grieving the lost
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: of your baby, your dog, and also grieving your family
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: relationships because how is this impacted? We know you've lost
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: relationship with your mom, what about your other family members?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Are they there to support youever you lost those as well?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: My other family members have been great. They I really
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: lean on them.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: It's definitely brought me my dad closer, like you know,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: on a you know, my dad and I who have
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: always been really close, like love my real dad, he's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: the best, but he's in Florida, so we talk so
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: much more now and that's been nice. My husband, of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: course has been my rock. But yeah, it's brought like
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: some family members that I haven't spoke to in a
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: while closer to me. So I'm very fortunate to like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: lean on all these people and of course all my girlfriends,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: they're the best. On Christmas Day, they put all gifts
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: underneath our tree and got us stockings, even my husbands,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: because it would be like the first Christmas without like,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: you know, all of our loved ones essentially. So just
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: very fortunate to have these people who see me, you know, So.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: You're blessed that so many people are behind you.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say, Good John Terry. Yeah,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: to have apar system like that, I'm so happy toeah, Yeah,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: because it's this is just it's i know, all around
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: tragedy so far. Sorry, my boys at home, welcome home boys.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: So I have to ask, and part of me doesn't
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: want to ask because I know my thoughts and I've
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: promised I will behave What do you say to people
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: who tell you it's just a dog and to move on.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: I feel bad for them that they have never felt
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: love like that before, and I hope that they could
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: realize that dogs are like one of the only things
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: that love you more than they love anything else, and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: they rely on us to keep them safe and when
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: we don't, we fail them and they can feel pain.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Their sentient beings. They the kind of love that they
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: give is unconditional. So it just I feel sorry for
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: them that they don't know that kind of love, you know.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: And I you know, I respect everybody's opinion, and that's
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: what they think, then, you know, okay, But I don't mean.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I don't agree.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I mean a life is a life, yeah, you know. So,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: And how other people view your relationship with your pets
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: of any kind or anybody, your relationship with anybody, I mean,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: it's not their fucking business. So but no, you're right.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: The fact that, like I, people that have never felt
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: that before, I hope that they do because I also
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: have animals, I also have a kid, I also have
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: a partner, and you know, we've had things happen with
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: our dogs is devastating. They become a part of you,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: and especially when like you're their caretaker.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: All right, we're with your whole world.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going to.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Be able to go out into nature and like make it,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: you know, absolutely dependent on you and caretakers. And that's
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: a vulnerability that even though it's an animals, it's one
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: that I think our relationship with animals need to be
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: more respected. There used to be a whole culture of
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: indigenous people who respected animals until some people came around.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: But I've always thought that our connection with nature, our
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: connection with animals, is a healing one, just like you
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: mentioned how Ruby helped heal you and judge us. They
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: don't judge you. They're there to love you no matter what,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: even if you are a prick, even though if that's
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the case, you probably shouldn't have an animal. But even
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: if you were a prick, they would still like you.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: So I very much. I get the connection that you
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: had with her, and also anybody that says it's just
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: a job, piss off.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, he's just a prick.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I do want to bring up this comment only because
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Letdy and Gray brings a point that we also have
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: to consider. Someone who does this is truly not stable.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: And you're right, what if a kid made them mad?
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: But I know you and I talked offline and we
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: won't get into a lot of it. But you trusted
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: your dad, yeah, stepdad.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: So I have a very good friend. She calls her
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: dad dad, and she goes her stepdad daddy, and that's
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: how she distinguishes the truth because she's like, I was
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: two years old when he became my stepdad, so they're both.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: But you never would have left Ruby there if you
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: were worried about So it's not like there's a lot
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: of domestic violence in the background. You didn't go to
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: school with bruises on your face, you didn't have a mom.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: So I'm guessing this was truly shocking.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: Oh one doubt, Yeah, like draw on the floor like
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: a gut punch and always said that before. But just
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: the betrayal is the key word here, because betrayal comes
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: after you trust somebody, you know what I mean, Like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: trust has to be established first in order to be betrayed.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: So it's just shocking.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: And did he have a history of any mental illness PTSD?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he owned a lot of guns legally, he's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: not guessing No.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, not that I know of, at least, you
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, I guess anything's possible, but now
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: and if anything was a red flag, I wouldn't have
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: left Ruby there any of the times they left her there.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: And I mean to be honest, though, if there were
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: other things going on, I don't know if I would
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: even in fact her and my dog stay like I
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: STI wouldn't think anything would happen to my dog. Oh yeah, no,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: like I wouldn't think anybody would shoot my fucking dog.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: It's a little big, yes, especially.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Like my cata Hula, who's almost a one hundred pounds.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Who could hurt you? I mean if I came home
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: and somebody said I had to do that to Bo,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I would be like, oh my god, did he attack you?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Because he is a big dog. And that's why I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: had to have trainers to make sure this isn't alby
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: French see, I know, yeah, they can't even lick their
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: own butts, these Frenchies.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Like, there's nothing like done that would warrant this. In
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: my opinion, I can't now.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: I know we didn't talk about this, and if you
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: don't want to answer, you don't have to. How has
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: this made you re examine your childhood with your stepdad?
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: It's because I'm just wow, I would be I would
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: be going down a rabbit hole and long I would
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: be turning it into an eight episode situation.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: I found out like a couple of things from like
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: you know, the circle of people that reached out to
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: me that were like closing my parents at one point,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: Like I found out that the house that we moved
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: out of was actually foreclosed on, not that we were
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: just moving. Like, I like, there are some things that
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: came up that I wasn't aware of because I was
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: a kid when this stuff happens that yeah, my parents
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: don't always tell yeah and yeah yeah, so like some
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: things came up. But like it's definitely making me like
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: go back and wonder, Like, but I was always at
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: dance as a kid anyway. I always was at I
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: went from school to dance class and stuff like that,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: So I didn't spend too much time at home for
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: me to even like I don't even remember, Like I'm
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: I really have like a memory? Should I feel like
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: when I go is that far? Like of course I
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: can remember like recent events and stuff like that. In
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: terms of my I don't know, No.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Obama can't even remember what time we're doing a show
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: on the day and we're.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Line of time one time.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I know what side, but I'm sake it happens to
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: all of us.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: YEA. I asked you a question of feel free to
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: answer if you want to. You don't have to, But
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: do you think so you have you have no say
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: what the state is deciding to do. We've all made
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: that very clear. You have no state stake in that right.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: And even when you called the police to go with
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: you and they had the dog, they said, do you
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: want you know this might be something? And you were
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: like no, no, no.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: No, yeah.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: What would you do if your parents I'm going to
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: call them both your parents for death fine, posterity sake care.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: But what if they would have told you exactly what
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: had happened? Would you at that honesty, at that moment,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: because I before you know that the cover up and
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: you having to figure out by doing an autopsy in
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: all of this, what if they would have told you
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: out right? I imagine there would still be some very
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: strong feelings about that. Of course, do you feel like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: maybe there's a little bit more of an open road?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think about this, Yeah, I think about that.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: That hypothetical, like he went down that road and they
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: had told me that straight up. And this is it's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: hard because I was actually thinking about this like before
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: and like like last week. I don't know if I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: would have known that calling the cops on that was
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: an option. If I'm being very honest, like in that
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: exact moment of them telling the truth to me and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: that's what happened, I would not even probably consider that
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: that was an option because I see a lot of
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: folks in like my comments on like TikTok and stuff
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: like that, saying, oh, you know, similar happened thing to
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: me with my dad, like you know, shot my dog
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: right in front of me, all this stuff, and all
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: these people obviously, like you know, they grow up and
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: they either no contact with their family and stuff like that.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: But no, nothing, no ramifications ever occurred. So if I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: in that exact moment, I don't think that I would
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: have realized that that was an option, if that makes sense.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: I've taken it from.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: There and probably like talked to other people and then
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: maybe realized that it was an option and then pursue
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: that route myself. But but yeah, there, if if honesty
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: was what was led with, then there would have been
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: probably an inch more room for grace. But again coming
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: from a fire instructor firearms instructure. I even know the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: five rules of firearm safety because I learned them after
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: this case. You know, after this happens and you're not
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: supposed to you know, why was the gunloaded in the house?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: So many, so many questions that could have prevent and
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: did that accident, if it was an accident from happening.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: So I don't think even that would be like any
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: more forgivable any less forgivable, if that makes sense. But
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: I think about what you brought black questions like very often.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that you can't go back to that place.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, it just doesn't happen at this end of
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: the game. Now, that's not even like.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: He was throught about it, because I do think about
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: I have a brother who's a cop, and there was
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: a time he owned multiple guns because he was a
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: law enforcement and he discharged a gun with cleaning it
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: because he had unloaded and cleaned seven or eight, and
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: he went to the last one and he thought he
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: had something distracted him and the gun went off. He
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: wound up shooting himself. But if the bullet would have
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: went a little bit further, it would have hit my
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: sister in law. Yeah, but if that situation, I would
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: picture that your dad would be like, oh my god,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: I did this. I screwed up. I can't believe if
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I did that. Yeah, he would be punishing himself way
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: more than the law ever could rights exactly. So in
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: my mind, that would be the only way I would
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: have been like.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: Oh my yeah, the love of remorse is key here too,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't even gall you into this day. He
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: hasn't spoken to.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: You, has all because of what happened. We have the
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: protection order, we can't regardless. But yeah, but that didn't
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: affect my mom, you know, in the beginning, and you know,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: I didn't hear from her, and so.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Only I'm going to give her because I'm trying as
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: a mom here and as a human I try every
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: day to be kind and lead with grace. Is that
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: there is something going on behind closed doors that.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: You don't I don't think so, honestly, because I like
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: made sure. But the law enforcement before she's okay, she's yeah,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: I did make right right?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, So well, Mom, I'm sorry, you're screwed. My grase
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: just went out the window. Yeah, I was trying. I
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: was trying really hard to give her that. But you
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: know what, that says a lot about you that you
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: asked and thought about making sure she was okay and
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: that she wasn't in danger.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I definitely felt a lot of emotions, like early on,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: like in the case and still now, but like when
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: things were just I was like, yeah, I'm like, that's
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: my mom.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Like at least wasn't she friend? Yeah, remind me if
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: I'm correct. Didn't you and your mom like FaceTime almost daily?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Ruby?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Oh my god?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, every time every morning I woke up, I would
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: FaceTime her and then I would put the phone against
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: Ruby and I would be getting ready for work in
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: the morning. Every morning, you know, I'd be like talk
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: to Gigi on the phone, so they would just be
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: talking to each other and I'd be getting ready for work.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: And yeah, she would buy her. She bought Ruby like
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: like every holidays, like Easter basket and all this stuff.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Like she even joked about getting me a stroller for
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: Ruby and disguising her as like a baby so I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: could bring her more places. Like she was very much
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: aware about how much I was enamored with with her,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: So and if.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: I was older, I would offer to be your mom,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: but I'm not quite old old, not.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: That old, but that it was my judging face the
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: whole time.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, judging is welcome.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, as moms and in step parents situations, I can
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: tell you we both would have made very different choices
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: and decisions.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me get out of my West Roast shame bell,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: because that's what I'd be doing. Yeah, bringing the shame bell. Yeah, goodness, Well, Nicole,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: what can we or our community or anyone listening anywhere,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: what can we do to support you and the cause
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: for Justice for Ruby at this point in the events.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that I have this saying that I
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: hold on to. That's like people die twice. They die
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: the first time when when their you know body you
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: know leaves this earth, and then the second time they
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: die is when the last time their name is ever spoken.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's what I say all the time
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: to really, Yes.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: That's what it says.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, crazy last person that remembers you, because it's crazy.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: That's how I like to look at death anyway.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And we did share the website for Justice for
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Ruby chat for people because I know there's a petition
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: there yeah.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: So I need to update that website because I did
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: get the petition passed, which is great, so I guess.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: It has been passed for sure.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I got animal canion. Animal Cruelty Awareness Day
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: has been sponsored to be a national holiday, not like
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: a holiday, but like a recognized day, and I got
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: the Senate to sponsor it, which is great. Working on
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: more like bills and stuff behind the scenes. I don't
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: want to share too much and get people excited because
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: built like laws can take more times to get past,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: but I am working on that. So I guess my
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: call to action would be just, you know, speak about
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: Ruby and perhaps donate to your local shelter, like in
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: her name or in you know, somebody in your community's
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: name who went through a similar struggle, and just hold
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: your dogs and animals tight. And that's kind of my
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: call to action. I'm just I don't want anything from anybody.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: I don't have like a golfund me or anything like that.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: I just really want to I am disappointed in myself
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: that it took this happening to my dog for me
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: to be this passionate about helping other dogs and animals,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: So do not feel.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Bad about yourself because I tell people all the time
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: until something happens to you, yeah, it's not on our radar.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so now it's very much on my radar.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: So just I mean, it doesn't mean that you didn't
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: care in the first place, but you know, no, I know, yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: you hear about things, but then when you finally experience it,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: it really you're like, oh, now I understand what everyone's
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: been talking about. You know exactly that unfortunately comes with experience,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: good or bad.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Good bad. I have to laugh because Ruby is chewing
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: on the broccoli stuffy. We gave one to my dog Bear.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: He will not touch it, will not look at it,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: and I have said it's because he knows his mama
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't like broccoli.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. We got that toy as a hand me down
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: because another person from Barth their dog didn't like it.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: So Ruby got inherited it and she.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: By the dog Bear would look at it and he
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: would just go uh uh.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like yeah, right, yes, I mean, go ahead, go ahead. Oh.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: I was just going to say, you know that any
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: being in any sort of legal battle is exhausting, and
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: especially the feelings of what comes next the unknown, right
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: because justice moves slow. The courts move slow. You may
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: not get this may not be resolved for a couple
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: of years, you know, But I do feel again, I
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: just expect spectating over here, all right, I'm just a spectator.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: But I think between the fact that wanted to dog
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: that's not going to do well for him in front
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: of a jury. The fact that he was specifically trained
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: in firearms meaning should be very careful with your guns
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: is not going to go well in front of a jury. Yeah.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: It never does, and I wouldn't be surprised. I mean,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: maybe they'll take it the trial, but I'm gonna go
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: with probably not because how how does one from a
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: defense standpoint sway a jury? Because it does at this point,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: and again, I mean, no offense to this sweet little Ruby,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: even if the jury is like it's just a dog.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: The fact that he was so irresponsible with a firearm
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: when he knows how it should be is gonna be
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: what bites him in the ass. Yeah, in my opinion, agreed,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: But I think with because they're going to show all
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: of Ruby's pictures and how do you as a human
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: being not see that and be like, well, oh my gosh,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: that's the cutest dog. I've ever seen ever. You know.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: What you would say say.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: But for her?
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what would Ruby say? Let's give her some words.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: Probably that like not to give up and that she
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: loves me. I spoke a pet medium, like a medium
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: donated her time to me, which you know, I accepted
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: the appointment, and she uh she told me that, like Ruby, uh,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: that that I shouldn't be so sad all the time.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: So I think that's what she would say to me.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, grief is never swift. Yeah, it's not. Grief
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: lasts a long time. Grief is where love goes when
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: like it doesn't, it's when love has nowhere to go.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: It's what I'm saying. You know, you got all of
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: this love and you have nowhere to put it right
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: now totally, and and that just means you love tooheartedly,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: right because it's the dichotomy of life. If you in
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: order to lose something, you're gonna have to love it.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: And I think that the journey that you're on, I
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: feel like good things are going to come out of this,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: not only for Ruby, but the awareness for the future
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: of animal rights because you know, when Terry brought this
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: to me, I was like, I don't I don't know
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: shit about animals, and well, you know, I didn't even
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: know that this was a fetus.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Just like this would not be happening in town. This
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: would not be happening.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: So I hope you continue on with the movement that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: you have been. I know we're more than happy to
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: support you know wherever this journey takes you, and I'll
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: definitely be keeping an eye on.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: This while thank you.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: I need to know the trial date because we're going
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: to need to file paperwork for it to be live streamed.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, I will absolutely keep because I need see
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: Kelly p just said I would love for us to stream.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: I would love to see y'all Stepdad, who I have
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: labeled a POS and people who follow our channel. No,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: that's not good. I would love to see him try
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: to worm his way out of this and say, oh
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: I coughed, Oh I had a kidney stone pain, or
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: oh I drink too much Jim Bean, I would really love.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: Those are all horrible defenses. He might not go on
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: the stand and say any of those.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: He's what else does he have. It's not like he
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: feared for his life. It wasn't you know, Ruby wasn't
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: attacking the other dog. He ain't got nothing else.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my pet spends about all the possible outcomes and
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. So I'll be sure to keep everybody posted.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: And you know, hopefully you know again, I yeah, I
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: do hope that in some way in the future, if
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: it's ever possible, that there's an ability to reconcile in
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: some way, shape or form, if it's even possible. Well,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: but you know, I'm glad to hear that you are
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: the support that you also are taking care of you know,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: yourself as well. I can't imagine, you know, also, of
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: having agoraphobia, that this this would be something that would
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: set me back. And I don't know if it's set
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: you back. I'm sure to some degree it has. But
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: the love that you fell from Ruby, that helped you
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: out of that really dark lost place, all right, You're
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: you are going to find that again, Okay, because now
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: you know it's possible, even if some people say it's
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: just the dog. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: And the fact that you have Nick your husband, because
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I have so many friends whose husbands would
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: be oh, it's just a dog. Nick. I've seen some
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: stuff with Nick and we've talked. Nick is just like
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: you y'all are on the same page camera his baby girl.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: It really was like the sweetest relationship the three of
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: us had. Ruby made us into a family, you know.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: So we were like missing our third you know, our
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: pac member now just like me and Nick. You know.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: So it sucks.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it s But you guys have a whole lot
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: of love to give and you will find a please
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: to give that love. It will happen.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: You have more than po wes And I'm gonna call
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: her asshat. You have more going for you than they do.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Is there anything you would like to say to anybody
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: before we wrap up and give our closing thoughts.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: The only thing I would have to say is thank
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: you for like hearing me out and speaking with me.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: And if you are a victim of a similar crime,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: I do have a support group I made with another
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: woman on TikTok who was a victim of a similar
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: crime of her boyfriends retaliated against her and killed her dog.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: And we we have a support group on Facebook. It's
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: called for Harmony. If you are harmony, and you could
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: join the Facebook group and it's like fifteen of us
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: and we just are there for each other, and we
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: share pictures of our dogs and tell our stories and stuff.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: So if you need help, that's not alone.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: Nice exactly. I'm such a huge tripona of peer support groups.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: They really do wonders. Yeah, they do well. Thank you
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: so much, Nicole.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Guys and Mama, I'm gonna put this out there and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: you can kill me later because I do follow your
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: social media's and I do see some of the sorry,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: absolute horrific things people say. Yeah, I just want to
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: go on the record right now to everybody. If you
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: want to email me, if you want to go on
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: my socials, and if you want to give me shit,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: go for it. I'm here for it. But the comments
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: that you are trying to make money off this, that
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: you are trying to make this into more, I hope
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: gets them, because nobody should be in this situation. We
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: hear those comments for people who have children, missing family
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: meversus murdered, and we hear this ship and you know what,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: I say this to those people too, until your ass
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: is in this actual scene, shut the f up, yecause
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: the public pressure what you need to do to get
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: through each day.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will quote my favorite defense attorney. Their words
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: are trash. Your honor objection, their words are trash.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel to it. The public
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: pressure is something that is really also like not like
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: saving this case because it's already.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: It's hard for mental I'm sorry. That is hard to
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: mentally take. Being on social media, it's hard to take.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, this is embarrassing.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: My way find me on social media.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and them my way tell them to reach out
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: to me. Because I even warm my necklace that my
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: best friend gave me that says be kind and you
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: pull because that's my saying. You pull it out and
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: it says a bitch. Yeah, like it kind of a bitch.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: I need to get myself when I like that.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Because people just like to be mean to others. But
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: thank you so much, and thank you. Hold on to
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: your husband, hold on to your friends. I love that
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: your best friend is supporting you because she's like, you
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: know what, my wedding, I got married, My wedding was good.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: I'm here for you.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really lucky in those aspects. So thank you
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: so much for chatting with me. And it was very
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: cathartic to be here. A lot of these things I
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: haven't said out loud. So thank you.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: You're welcome and you're always welcome back.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Nicole, just messages you can come back. I do need
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: to know what happens the day of court, so oh
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: make sure immediately.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need me to read things, you let me know.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, you'll be hearing from me.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Lama, any final rant since I.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: Gave mine no no, no final rants. I think I've
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: said all I've needed to tonight and with my face.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Well they're all clipping it in the background.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of judgment going on. Lama is
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: very salty. No, thank you again for sharing this. I
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: you know, I haven't really thought a lot about animal walls.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, we don't really focus on that area of law,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: you know, in our coverage of things. But it is
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: important and you know whether or not whether or not
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: you end up getting justice for Ruby. All right, whatever
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: you do following this is going to be justice for Ruby.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: The fact that you're doing this right now is justice,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: even if you don't get it in the legal sense,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: all right, because sometimes I'll be very honest with you,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: sometimes the legal system lets us down. Yeah, all right,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: it's not perfect, it's not perfect at all, but don't
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: let that deter you. I have a good feeling about
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: you and your future, so you're very well.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Keep that woman officer closed. It has your back because
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: she desire loves her the officer's badge.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, she was great for sure.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: So thanks guys, lint you're welcome. Well that's all I
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: have to say, so we'll just sign out.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: Or be safe. Guys something say something Yes.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: Very good one. Until next time you guys, go forth
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: and be amazing all right, bye guys. Seven