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- 0:01OK, good morning. We're continuing Yayin Nessa.
- 0:05We are Kuf Lalmedalid and I think I was told I skipped Sieve
- 0:12Zion. So we're going to start with
- 0:13Sieve Zion and then go to your bet and they actually flow.
- 0:18You will see Zion comets shall Yayin shall go in.
- 0:23So you have wine vinegar right? And from that belongs to a non
- 0:28Jew. So the non Jew had it when it
- 0:30was wine. So it became usser because of
- 0:33stamiano. Shenafala took hommets shekhar
- 0:36and then it mixes with vinegar from shekhar, from from a beer,
- 0:43from a whiskey. It really could be any, any
- 0:45hommets. I believe OSR Bikul Shihu
- 0:48becomes aser even bikul Shihu, right?
- 0:51We're talking about isser Hana bipinay Shihu, Bimino sheshnaam
- 0:56Khomet's ham and it's aser bikul Shihu because it's mean bimino
- 1:02and mean bimino is aser bikul Shihu.
- 1:05And the Baragola points out, I mean, it's you don't need, you
- 1:09don't need ham, but it's he writes butter shema as leenan.
- 1:14So it goes after the shame. So even though it's two
- 1:16different types of vinegar, vinegar is vinegar and therefore
- 1:20it's called mean de mino. OK, right.
- 1:26The shock says that too, right? And then the shock points out
- 1:31that according to the Rama, it is batal, the shishi, not the
- 1:35kosher. Fine, let's go to your bet.
- 1:41OK. Oh you know what I do want to
- 1:44point out this is actually important before we continue
- 1:47with good bet. We had this in say if hey, how
- 1:53much for wine to be turned to become bottle.
- 1:58If you add water to wine, how much water turns it into non
- 2:02wine? And it's not even even though it
- 2:05was us Sir, stamina was aser behanah.
- 2:08All of a sudden it becomes mutter to drink it because it's
- 2:12not wine. It's interesting.
- 2:14It actually was a dovar isser that becomes Mahmesh mutter.
- 2:18And it's not and it's not Batal Bashishi, it's it's Batal
- 2:22Bashesh or Bashisha. Exactly.
- 2:25So we saw that it was water. Now, This is why I'm bringing it
- 2:28back because we mentioned, I mentioned whatever in the Shah,
- 2:34the shock points out the only time now this is going to become
- 2:37relevant, which is why I want to make a point of it when we talk
- 2:41about Koflamid hey, Koflamenzine when we, when it comes up, for
- 2:45example, Sherry casks. So I think we're going to save
- 2:48it for the end of Koflamid hey or Koflamenzine.
- 2:51But why is it important? We'll see.
- 2:54The I quoted the Shah who says dafka bermain the only time it's
- 2:59battled beshisha not shishim is with water.
- 3:02But he says but if it's wine or a tawshil that it's Tam le
- 3:07shavaf, then you need shishi. And earlier in the in the Shah
- 3:13also says it's only it's only a hector built with water.
- 3:18However, why is this important? Well, you're going to see it's
- 3:25in Pomischeri casks because you're leaving it in there with
- 3:27with whiskey. And that's not water unless you
- 3:30call that water. But precious, we don't call that
- 3:32water. It's Sheikhar.
- 3:34And so the there's a Chuvan egress Moshe Euridea.
- 3:42I mean, the easiest is if I just quote the egress Moshe, you can
- 3:44look it up. Your idea in the so your idea he
- 3:46like olive, say E Simon Samit bet.
- 3:51Well, he's disgusting blended whiskey and in there he points
- 3:54out that it's true, according to the the Shah that the stama he
- 3:59holds you need shishim, and he says that elsewhere, but Igor
- 4:03Smashi says it's not even even the Shah in some cases might a
- 4:06hold that also doesn't need shishim, and it might depend if
- 4:09it's if it's something that's Dovaharif you might be more
- 4:13Makil like whiskey anyway, it's but it's clear that Ygos Masha
- 4:18says the Taz, the bear hatev machs, the shekel.
- 4:23I'll hold that it's any liquid. Any liquid is mevatal Yayin
- 4:30Bishisha, and you don't need shishi and the ygos Masha says
- 4:34Allah has like the taz and therefore, even with blended
- 4:37whiskey, that's really the Chuva.
- 4:39Even if you have a little bit of wine mixed in with a blended
- 4:42whiskey, as long as it's batal Bishisha Bidyevid, it's I mean,
- 4:48you're not you're not even battle Yai in like tequila, but
- 4:51it's 100% kosher. There's what to be Mochman.
- 4:55He says it's better to have a hash kafa on it.
- 4:57But anyways, the point being he holds.
- 4:59You don't have to have it's any liquid is battle Bashisha and he
- 5:05also points out the mug in Avraham holds that Shisha's not
- 5:09enough, but shishim. You also don't need shishim.
- 5:12So the mug in Abraham's going to be somewhere between 6:00 and
- 5:1560. But it's it's unclear.
- 5:18I in sham for the sources and fine, let's let's get to Kuf
- 5:24Lahmidale. Sorry.
- 5:26OK, Kuf Lahmidale, your bet comets Yayin.
- 5:30So back to the vinegar. You have wine vinegar Chagwaim
- 5:33Chenafala talk greasing Rotrin. So then if it's in hot split
- 5:41beans, so then Pokémon, it makes the flavor of the it's a taun
- 5:46leaf gum. It makes the flavor worse on the
- 5:48beans. This wine vinegar, you don't
- 5:51want it. In this case, it's from the
- 5:52Gemara Umutarin, and so is it's Mutter.
- 5:56It is taun leaf gum because Julia Tamif gum.
- 6:05But what if it's cold split beans?
- 6:07You have them in in a bag and then the wine, the wine vinegar
- 6:11spills on it. It actually makes the flavor
- 6:13better and there's nothing you can do about it anymore.
- 6:17Even if you you cook them, it doesn't make a difference.
- 6:22You heat them up and it makes it a Tamif gum.
- 6:25It already became us. OK, Haga.
- 6:29No, this is this is an important principle drama Ubisamium
- 6:33habelui MI Ye nessa. Now let's say you have spices.
- 6:36So we know spices can make a big problem if there if it's traif
- 6:41the bisamium, the spices themselves are kosher.
- 6:44But now you have ye Nessa mixed in to the spice.
- 6:48It's spilled on there and it got and it's in there.
- 6:50It's mixed. And now you put the spices into
- 6:54your your food. He makes shishim naked hai yaina
- 6:58balua behena kulchari. All you need to have is shishim
- 7:01connected the wine. Then then all the food is
- 7:07kosher, awful gabda besamim lataima avidi.
- 7:11Even though the the besamim you put them in there for the
- 7:14flavour, you taste it. It makes a difference.
- 7:16It changes the whole consistency as much as however important you
- 7:21want to make the spices, it doesn't matter the ani Asurian
- 7:25Mahmad Atsman bittile because the spices themselves are not
- 7:29what's ussers. The E nesa that's in them.
- 7:32The EIN Shabam have a livcom and if the wine in them is livcom.
- 7:38So then in the in the top show the yayin that's in the spices
- 7:42gives a bad flavour. The spice gives a good flavour,
- 7:45but the wine gives a bad flavour.
- 7:47A filushishim a not sorry, you don't even need shishim.
- 7:50Can I go OK fine, let's go on the the shock.
- 8:01Well, the shock just points out if it would be.
- 8:11I'm not sure if he says anything more than the obvious ceiling if
- 8:15the wine. The shot just points out if
- 8:20theoretically the wine would be good for the top shield and bad
- 8:24for the spice. Well, now then it's Usser
- 8:26because the yine the the time of the yine is good for the top
- 8:31show, and that's all we're concerned about.
- 8:33So in the words, it's the Tam of the yayin that really matters.
- 8:40Fine. And then he says, can you put in
- 8:43the the can you put in the spice that has the yay Nessa in their
- 8:47Lacatila? So then only if it's Tam we've
- 8:50come both for the tabling and both for the top show, then you
- 8:53could even put it in their Lacatila.
- 8:55OK, fine, you're Gilman call Hamash Kim Shil Goem Shadar Kim
- 9:00Ariya behem yayin or Homet's asurin.
- 9:03Now any any liquid of the goem that it's normal any drink you
- 9:08want to buy a drink from the goem and it's normal for them to
- 9:10mix in some wine, right? Or this could apply to generally
- 9:15cautious whenever there's a Kashash.
- 9:18Oh, helmets or with the helmets Asurin.
- 9:21OK, that's why what's worse about wine is maybe it's the
- 9:24kolshuhuber or bashishi. Whatever it is, it's a little
- 9:26bit OK, right. So it's answer to buy a drink
- 9:33that you know, there might be Easter mixed in there.
- 9:35OK, that's concept we saw before.
- 9:47Now the only time you have to worry that maybe that that it's
- 9:49usser is if it's normal for them to add this wine or flavour
- 9:54that's the schwa or it doesn't make it worse.
- 9:57And then it's only irrelevant. If it's Pogon, then it's OK.
- 10:02Well, Imrul if gum could go and savage Schnatzel Bahamas or if
- 10:05you put some kind of a colouring into the wine vinegar and that
- 10:10colouring is usser. But the purpose is not for Tom,
- 10:14it's for colouring Oh Mel ashram of ashram goyim or you want to
- 10:19use this salt that the goyim put a little bit of wine in there
- 10:24for the colour. Oh, Dom the lab No, you either
- 10:26put a drop of blood in there for the colour of the OSHA goyim or
- 10:32a little bit of ink. So mutter it's mutter, even if
- 10:35it's not kosher ingredients, because they have a leaf gum,
- 10:39because it's not parva, It's that these items actually make
- 10:43it worse, but it's worth it for them because it it's such a
- 10:46small. It doesn't ruin the whole
- 10:48flavour. It is a time we've gone, but it
- 10:49doesn't ruin the whole thing. And they'd rather have the the
- 10:52colouring, The Who hadin bikholko bayote SE baze,
- 10:56anything similar. This is just a principle.
- 10:59The ish Makhmirian video. She'll go in initially famim
- 11:02noting Comoso the torpive, the hadio Allah.
- 11:06Now sometimes if if it's a problem to use the the ramakhmur
- 11:13by DO of goem. If you want to buy sometimes
- 11:19some ramakhmur that when they buy ink and they're using it to
- 11:23write the ink should be kosher. If you're the type of sulfur,
- 11:26because some sulfur they'll I don't know, they'll taste it,
- 11:30drink it as they go along. They'll put it in their mouth,
- 11:34the Noagim OK, the ayen kaf kaf gilmel, the noagim Heterberg
- 11:38devarshini Muhammad soyil dahave leaf gum generally or Mako when
- 11:42it's adding vinegar because usually it's a Tam leaf gum
- 11:46Venera de Hua din video and I think this is the same thing by
- 11:51ink. I feel ayyaba vada ya in Nassar,
- 11:54even if you know they put ingredients vada ya E NASA
- 11:58right, not even Stam. It's vada ye in Nasser and it's
- 12:02aser kuyama behana ina ella pegam.
- 12:06So it's true. You might taste it, but I say
- 12:08for sure it's pegam. It's not a Vishari Ken near Ali.
- 12:13And so the Rama says I think it's mutter.
- 12:15OK, let's start Kuf Lammedhe, the kalim of of wine, right?
- 12:24You want to buy their bottles, you want to buy their their
- 12:28barrels, their cups and things that are used for liquids and
- 12:32that are used for cold, right where you're using them for
- 12:35cold. That's basically the topic of
- 12:37this yaman OK a la kalem Shaheen makhneesan likum.
- 12:44Now dishes that are not you don't store in there for kiyom
- 12:51for storage for a long time. I don't remember where.
- 12:55I believe it's something that's normally kept in there for more
- 13:00than three days. You know the concept of
- 13:02machnisola kiyoms in esu Darabana that were extra strict
- 13:07for these cases. It could lead to problems
- 13:11anyway. So machiniso l'quium it's there
- 13:12for more than an extended period of time.
- 13:15Bain shahim shell or Bain shahim shell eights Vishal Zahuhit
- 13:21Vishal Evan Vishal matechit. Any clue?
- 13:24That's not machiniso l'quium a normal a normal cup.
- 13:30Let's say imain mizufti your normal kitchen products.
- 13:37These if you want to buy these type of utensils from Agoy inam
- 13:41is often they're not they don't have they're not lined with some
- 13:45kind of pitch or tar. So then meshachshikhan haitev
- 13:49Bamayam umutarium. So all you have to do is shake
- 13:52them and rinse them well with water.
- 13:54And then it becomes mutter. We'll see a little bit later on
- 14:00shortly the end of the siman and more in your olive.
- 14:03Basically Meshachshikhan means you clean it out with water for
- 14:07three days. So we'll see.
- 14:09It's not just a regular, it's not the same Sheikh over here
- 14:12that turns wine into ye nessa. It's it's a little bit, it's a
- 14:16little bit. It's, it's more involved.
- 14:17We're going to see in detail when we, when we read it, IMEI
- 14:22Mesuftin Meshach and Heita Bumayim Umutarin.
- 14:25So normally you want to buy a cup that they sell in the store.
- 14:29You don't have to worry. It's no problem if they're not
- 14:33lined. OK, here, I'll just say it here.
- 14:41The Shaktas Mafarshan post post can point out that I mean,
- 14:45you're going to see this is normal dishes.
- 14:48We're not talking about the actual vats where they press or
- 14:52crush the grapes to turn it into wine that has a stricter halacha
- 14:56we're going to see later on. And because that's, that's the
- 15:00home of the grapes of the wine, and that's where it's usually
- 15:04being used with wine. And so there were more Mahmar
- 15:08over there here even more than machiniso, the kiyum.
- 15:12And they put, they explain in those days when they made again,
- 15:19this doesn't apply nowadays. In those days when they made
- 15:21the, they lined it with pitch and tar.
- 15:23They used to also mix in some wine stamyenum.
- 15:28So they point out that's not, that's not the problem over
- 15:30here, because when they're melting the pitch or I don't
- 15:34know if it's cold, hot, whatever it is, when they're making the
- 15:37pitch with it has a little bit of wine in there.
- 15:39When they make the mixture, the ingredients, then it's it's
- 15:46libud. It tastes bad.
- 15:47It's, it's, it's, it has no din. It, it, it doesn't, it's not
- 15:51there's no time in the schwach anymore.
- 15:52It's it doesn't count. That's not the problem.
- 15:55The problem is they already made, they already lined it.
- 15:58Now cool down or it was cool, whatever.
- 16:00You already have your finished product, your cleat, it's lined
- 16:03with this pitch tar, whatever it is, and now you use it with
- 16:09wine. They pour wine in there, so it
- 16:11holds wine. And the question is when it's
- 16:16lined with this material, it's a little bit softer, porous and it
- 16:20absorbs the wine. So the, the issue, the problem
- 16:23we have is when you buy it for them, from them, maybe it was
- 16:28used with wine and it's, if it's used for sure it's a problem.
- 16:33Even in those days when it was new, you they told you it was
- 16:37new, but you had no idea if it was new.
- 16:40So the, so if you know for sure it's new nowadays, nobody uses
- 16:44the dishes. You go to the store, it's,
- 16:46they're all brand new. You don't have to worry about
- 16:48anyone using them. Also they point out in those
- 16:52days, I mean you, you also when you buy dishes, they're not
- 16:56lined with tar. But in those days they also
- 17:02sometimes would sell new dishes without with.
- 17:05And it was let's say they didn't when they when they lined it
- 17:09with some kind of this material, it didn't have wine mixed into
- 17:13this lining. So it was a different color
- 17:17until it was used and then it's not a problem.
- 17:19In other words, any time you can tell by looking at the CLI
- 17:22there's no chance it was used. It's for sure never a problem.
- 17:26So we're talking, OK, so anyway, so the issue is if it's possible
- 17:32that there was wine in there. So if it's possible there was
- 17:34wine in there, then that's when you have to clean it out.
- 17:37And if it's is has tar in there, it's going to be a bigger
- 17:41problem. Let's keep reading.
- 17:43Bin shayat chila tashmisham biyad goi bin biyad yissel.
- 17:46It doesn't matter if it was first used by a goi or a Jew.
- 17:50It doesn't matter. Once a Goi put wine in there
- 17:54that had the Klee in their possession, you have to worry
- 17:56that maybe they put wine in there and now you have to at
- 17:59least rinse it out fine. But we're going to see there's a
- 18:02you have to, if there's a real Kashash, you have to rinse it
- 18:05out. Maybe with three days we're
- 18:06we're going to see that in a moment.
- 18:10Hayu mizu fatim Vekhadashim, if they're aligned, even if they're
- 18:15brand new, EM darko masim Bahamian bishad zevita, if it's
- 18:20normal for them to put wine in these zephits.
- 18:23So then when you buy it new, maybe it was actually used.
- 18:26They're telling you is new, but you don't know Kochikane and
- 18:29certainly in the machine they tell you it's used.
- 18:32Shenidiashinubi adgoe batasha Mishayan.
- 18:35And maybe because they used it with wine.
- 18:37So then the halacha's like this, you have to be worried that it
- 18:41absorbed wine. So you can't, you can't just use
- 18:43it at all unless the halacha says kolife, it has zephyt.
- 18:52You have to remove the outer layer Olivet or the outer layer
- 18:56of the Zephyt umashak shahan umutaram and then you have to
- 19:00rinse it and then it's then it's mutter.
- 19:03OK, fine, let's go on Lauret Sala caliph.
- 19:11Now let's say you don't want to do you don't you don't want to
- 19:16peel away. It's a finished product.
- 19:18You don't want to ruin the dish you just bought.
- 19:20You don't want to have to redo it.
- 19:21You know re put the the tar in there.
- 19:24There's a reason why you put it in there.
- 19:25You don't want to have to remove it.
- 19:27So then so before we just said you could just rinse it.
- 19:30Now what do you have to do? Yeah, so there's a way to rinse
- 19:42it three times, but all you had to do was rinse it until now.
- 19:45Now, if there was that fit and you don't want to remove it,
- 19:50namala an umaaran shalosh shalamim.
- 19:54So then you have to fill it up with water and it has to
- 19:57overflow to the very top. So you might have to add a
- 20:01little something around it so that it.
- 20:05The water stays over the top, or you can if it's a material you
- 20:09can fold in like a soft item, a canteen, whatever leather, you
- 20:15can fold it in the top so that it stays soaked with water when
- 20:18you fill it up. Anyway, it needs to be filled
- 20:21completely wherever there with water for three days, but each
- 20:27time must be a full 24 hours and every time and then after every
- 20:33day has to be 3 days completely and each one day has to be a
- 20:38full 24 hours. And then after every day you
- 20:41switch the water. I think we're going to see that
- 20:44more when we keep reading Abu Adila, Kalim, Shilanu, Shinaga,
- 20:48Behemagoy, Bao de Yain, Tofei, Alayhim.
- 20:51Even if it's Yorkley and it has that fit in there and it has a
- 20:57drop of wine in there, and then Nagoya comes and touches that
- 21:00drop of wine in your Clee. Now you just ruined your whole
- 21:03Clee. Now you have to remove the
- 21:06Zephyr or you have to do this, filling it up for three days in
- 21:12a row, and in between each 24 hours you have to change the
- 21:16water, OK, But it has to be wet enough that it's tofayahallam.
- 21:20What does that mean tofayah on the PF?
- 21:23It means it has to be wet enough to drop.
- 21:25We have this in many halachas where the goi can touch or
- 21:28anyone can. To be the definition.
- 21:30You have to be able to touch that drop, be wet enough, and as
- 21:34if it's a full drop, it's wet enough.
- 21:36But if it's just a little bit of damp, then it's not likely to be
- 21:40wet enough. If you touch it and then your
- 21:43finger has to get wet, then your finger has to be able to put it
- 21:47on your friend or a table, another surface and make that
- 21:51surface wet or damp. But it needs to be wet enough to
- 21:56make something else wet. Fine.
- 22:02So then, so that's the only way for it to be a problem.
- 22:10Now the Rama says there is a maikal opinion that everything
- 22:14we said that that this part about he's making your dish,
- 22:19making problems in your dish in in your clay.
- 22:22That's if it's really one second, it's a problem by what's
- 22:30the case Leather Shock points out.
- 22:33We're talking about soft leather where when it's pitched, it's it
- 22:36absorbs even more. That's when you still have to be
- 22:39stripped. But if it's shal eights, the
- 22:42Evan omatakit, one of these harder surfaces, the Sheikh
- 22:46shakhan Afilaheim Zafutim and all you did was rinse it out
- 22:49three times with water. You should give it a shook shake
- 22:52with water. You spilled it out, did that
- 22:53three times, the avar vanathan behem yayin, and then you filled
- 22:57it up with your wine and let's sort the the then it's the the
- 23:00you're allowed to drink it. The Hefsid Meruba, yeh Shahaka
- 23:04and Hefsid Meruba to spill it out.
- 23:06Then if if it's these these materials, you could be Mako and
- 23:11the shock says it's mutter bishtiya and he just points out
- 23:14though it's he's even letting you be Mako when it's according
- 23:19to the Shalkhanar Hefsen Maruba. Even if there's not, even if
- 23:23it's real of the Alberta Zara, even if there's not, even if
- 23:27there's not Shishi, but if it's Shi Shim, then for sure it's not
- 23:31going to be an issue. And the Shah has a line over
- 23:34here where he points out and we're going to see this again in
- 23:36Kuflam and Zion. Any time you have a Klee that
- 23:42absorbs wine, it's only ulcer could make Klipa.
- 23:46So if you put whiskey or liquid in in in in this Klee, then as
- 23:55you only need even if you hold you need shishim, but not
- 23:59shisha. You only need shishim connected
- 24:02a clipa of the clip not connected the entire clip.
- 24:06So from Nisha, usually it's just pointing out it's not going to
- 24:10be a problem generally. Well, perhaps at least for a
- 24:14Sherry cask. Now let's do bet Klishinika
- 24:18Vasatnam of Zephyt. If you have one drop of Zephyt
- 24:22on your, you have a hole and you you patch it Enonidon kakli
- 24:26Mizuya Mizuf Mizufaf. There's no then there are Bannon
- 24:30over here or there's no Kashash. It's just a mashu.
- 24:34It's not going to make your drink a problem.
- 24:36They're not. There's no issue.
- 24:38Well, if he's there, mash Bakshu Mizufaf outside we have a
- 24:41barzel. So therefore, if you have some
- 24:43kind of, I don't know, a funnel or something, whatever it is, a
- 24:47spout, there you go. And it just got a little bit to
- 24:50hold it together. That's not going to make a
- 24:52problem. Enloden Klee mizuva, that's not
- 24:56going to make a problem and therefore all you have to do is
- 24:58rinse it out. One last Talaka in contrast, is
- 25:01a gimo cliche husha. If you have a clear that's very
- 25:05smooth, the opposite of tar and pitch, like bishava with wax.
- 25:12So then in Dino Kim Mizuva, it does not have a din of mizuva,
- 25:18the shava lobala. If it's wax or an A material
- 25:22that's very smooth, it's not bolea and all you have to do is
- 25:26just rinse it out.