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The Bolt Report | 12 May · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Jus is the good report.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, the dangerous tantrum of the Muslim minister dumped by
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  Speaker 2: the avenezy government and the Pope embarrassed by his brother.
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  Speaker 2: We are being filmed and recorded right now, right this
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  Speaker 2: very minute. Plus how China and Russia embarrassed Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: with this march in Moscow and the alleged sex scandal
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  Speaker 2: of the International Criminal Court. Did this prosecutor try to
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  Speaker 2: cover it up by getting arrest warrants for Israel's prime minister.
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  Speaker 2: Plenty more coming up, but first the Liberals tomorrow will
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  Speaker 2: choose their new leader. And today that leader's job got
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot harder, so much harder than the Liberals
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  Speaker 2: have to stop lying to themselves. Then we go through
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  Speaker 2: some of those last to night or wishful thinking. The
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  Speaker 2: first thing today showed me that Anthony ALBINIZI isn't what
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  Speaker 2: some liberals hope, a lightweight prime minister, someone who will
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  Speaker 2: now let his stunning success in the election go to
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  Speaker 2: his head and go rogue. No, I don't think Albanize
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  Speaker 2: will make the mistake that John Howard did in his
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  Speaker 2: last term. Howard had a surprise majority in both houses,
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  Speaker 2: went harder in industrial relations reformed than he promised and
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  Speaker 2: got smashed from it. Albanize learned that Lesson Nora is
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  Speaker 2: Albanize promising another voice. This time. He got burnt badly
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  Speaker 2: in his first term, and now I think wants to
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  Speaker 2: be more a healer. So today he announced this new ministry,
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  Speaker 2: which was actually not much different to his last one.
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  Speaker 2: Alberizi is looking for stability the big changes. His former
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  Speaker 2: rival Tanya Plibersk has been dumped from Environment to social services.
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  Speaker 2: She will be replaced by the go get them murry
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  Speaker 2: what and Alberizi wasn't sparing Plibersi's feelings and saying this
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  Speaker 2: was actually a top job for a top performer.
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  Speaker 3: I regard the environment as a really central portfolio. It's
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  Speaker 3: the only one I've ever asked for in this building,
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  Speaker 3: and I regard it as very much a senior role
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  Speaker 3: in a labor government. I've changed a ranger portfolios around.
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  Speaker 3: I've got people who are I think in the best positions.
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  Speaker 2: So take that tenure. Well, she had looked the goose
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  Speaker 2: in environment. She even effectively canceled the one billion dollar
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  Speaker 2: gold mine after being sold a clearly ludicrous story about
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  Speaker 2: a sacred be What isn't that stupid? Now, I'm sorry
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  Speaker 2: in painting this rosy picture if I'm not telling liberals
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  Speaker 2: what they'd like to hear. But this is no time
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  Speaker 2: now for the tribal rah rah about how hopeless Albanezi is,
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  Speaker 2: because what isn't the only move that showed ALBANIZI wants
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  Speaker 2: problems fixed? Health Minister Mark Butler another fixer kind now
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  Speaker 2: has to look after the National Disability Insurance Scheme as
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  Speaker 2: well as Health. That is such a money pit, the
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  Speaker 2: NDAs it was meant for only people with permanent and
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  Speaker 2: significant disability. Can you tell me how more than seven
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand austrons are now on it, costing US forty
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  Speaker 2: six billion a year. I won't go through all the
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  Speaker 2: other changes, but Dan Malina, with a PhD in economics
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  Speaker 2: from Yale, is now a sister Treasurer. The very capable
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Charlton has been promoted. And the people don't well,
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  Speaker 2: as Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss said Husick, and who cares? Now?
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  Speaker 2: It is true that Alberiezi did not shift the government's
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  Speaker 2: most unpopular minister. According to Pols, that's Energy and Resources
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  Speaker 2: mister Chris Bone. Of course, in climate Change minister sorry,
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  Speaker 2: in charge of Labour's green energy revolution, which is already
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  Speaker 2: a disaster. And this is the one hope, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if hope of failure is the word the coalition can
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  Speaker 2: take from this resh shuffle. Now, barn screen energy revolution
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  Speaker 2: is only going to fail worse because you simply cannot
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  Speaker 2: replace cul fired power stations with a system of it's
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  Speaker 2: entirely powered by women and solar without risking blackouts and
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  Speaker 2: higher prices. And we saw that of course with the
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  Speaker 2: massive blackouts just last month in Spain and Portugal, and
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  Speaker 2: Britain's grid operators are now warning the same could happen there.
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  Speaker 2: So the Liberals can't now lose courage and go weak
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  Speaker 2: on nuclear power and go labor light and renewables the two.
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  Speaker 2: The Liberals what a mess. They've lost so many seats,
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  Speaker 2: so much talent in the last two elections, and some
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  Speaker 2: still tell themselves fairy tales about why like this is
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  Speaker 2: today they form a liberal MP Jason Felinsky of the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Left to a tell us more ABC now. Like
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  Speaker 2: many on the left, Felinsky is saying the liberals problems
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  Speaker 2: that they just weren't diverse enough enough women.
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  Speaker 4: For instance, the most successful party around the world at
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  Speaker 4: creating a diverse and inclusive eliamentary party was the Conservative
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  Speaker 4: Party in the United States, sorry, in the United Kingdom,
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  Speaker 4: who is now of course led by black woman, and
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  Speaker 4: he massively diversified the party into what is probably now
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  Speaker 4: one of the most diverse political parties in Western Europe.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the system that we should look at.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So the British Conservatives of the model because they
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  Speaker 2: tick all the diversity boxes under their new leader, like
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  Speaker 2: American Americans Democrats did last year under Kamla Harris. You
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  Speaker 2: know how that went. And in fact in Britain the
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  Speaker 2: polls last week showed the Conservatives of crash to third
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  Speaker 2: place now behind Nigel Ferraja's anti immigration Reform Party and
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  Speaker 2: the ruling Labor government. Some model fact is you don't
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  Speaker 2: pick someone just because they're a woman or even a
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  Speaker 2: black woman. You pick people first of all, with brains,
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  Speaker 2: with leadership qualities, and the right idea is they turn
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  Speaker 2: out to be Margaret Thatcher even better for they first
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  Speaker 2: after of the brains. Now susan Ly she's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be the favor in tomorrow's leadership contest for the Liberals. Well,
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  Speaker 2: She's the diversity choice, isn't she. But then you have
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  Speaker 2: to ask why she's the favorite. I mean, has she
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  Speaker 2: actually shown the vision that the Liberals need to become leader,
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  Speaker 2: the toughness, the cut through. But there's another myth to
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  Speaker 2: bus then. It's a similar one about just into Theamper
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  Speaker 2: Jimper Price. She's being hailed by the liberals right as
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  Speaker 2: the new savior show you treature. Angus Taylor, in running
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  Speaker 2: against Lee, has got prices as deputy, I mean, young
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  Speaker 2: and diverse helps him that way, and they put out
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  Speaker 2: this add together.
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  Speaker 5: You've got the incredible experience behind you.
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  Speaker 4: I've had the pleasure of, you know, having you as
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  Speaker 4: a mentor so far in my journey, and I think
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  Speaker 4: we have such passion for this country.
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  Speaker 2: You've been a great inspiration to me. But we've got
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  Speaker 2: to regroup, rebuild, and get it back into the fight.
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  Speaker 2: I can't help but think this is a mistake. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I love Jacenta. I've probably defended her for more years
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  Speaker 2: than anyone. I've promoted her for years. She is fearless,
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  Speaker 2: she is frank, and she was absolutely critical in defeating
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  Speaker 2: Albanese's racist plan for the Voice. Her instincts are fantastic,
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  Speaker 2: She's got a great future. But I think she's actually
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  Speaker 2: just been in Parliament for just three years. What else
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  Speaker 2: has she done in this time? Pitted up and promoted
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  Speaker 2: her to be in charge of governor efficiency three months ago.
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  Speaker 2: She came up with no efficiencies or substance. She was
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  Speaker 2: missing for most of the election campaign. When she did speak,
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  Speaker 2: her loose language just got the Liberals into deepest strife.
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  Speaker 5: We can't Australian Branham. Is that an ode to Donald Trump?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 5: If I said that, I don't even realize I said that.
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  Speaker 2: But now now, how would Nampa Jimp Price go talking
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  Speaker 2: economic policy and workplace reform and all those other things
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  Speaker 2: of a deputy leader must address. And which colleagues would
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  Speaker 2: come to her as deputy leader with problems they need
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  Speaker 2: fixing in the party? How is she more capable in
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  Speaker 2: that role than say James Patterson? Just quickly a couple
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: more lies. The Liberals should stop listening to. No. Let
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  Speaker 2: me say again, they did not lose this election by
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  Speaker 2: going too far to the right. Which key policy did
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  Speaker 2: they push in that campaign that was too right wing?
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  Speaker 2: I struggled to find them. Laby, the Greens and the
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  Speaker 2: media left just say it was too much to the
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  Speaker 2: right because they want people to believe that the Liberals
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  Speaker 2: are too extreme. They want the Liberals to stop fighting
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  Speaker 2: and another lie, the Liberals must stop fighting the culture wars.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, it's the left that starts these wars. It's
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  Speaker 2: the left that announced that men can be women, we
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  Speaker 2: must divide ourselves by race. Free speech is dangerous and
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  Speaker 2: climate change is going to wipe us out. Becaun servants
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  Speaker 2: don't start these wars. They resist them, and if they
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  Speaker 2: argue politely and they don't sound nasty, they can win them,
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  Speaker 2: like they won on the Voice on the Republic on
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  Speaker 2: stopping the boats, an acting the carbon tax, and another
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  Speaker 2: fantasy I hear from some of the liberal left. Just
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  Speaker 2: dump the climate wars, dump the nuclear reactors. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: wake up, look what happened today. If they do that,
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  Speaker 2: how can the Liberals stay in coalition with the Nationals.
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  Speaker 2: David little Proud was today re elected as the Nationals leader,
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  Speaker 2: but only after many Nationals politicians like Barnaby Joyce met
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  Speaker 2: a Mark McCormick Backcanavan, who ran against Little Proud, said
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  Speaker 2: the net zero target was a disaster and nuclear was critical.
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  Speaker 1: And the raster renewables needs to be paused. We need
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  Speaker 1: to have a good, long hard look and.
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  Speaker 2: Little proud after his win this afternoon, wasn't committing himself
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  Speaker 2: with nuclear net zero targets, but you can tell the
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  Speaker 2: direction the party will take under him is clear.
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  Speaker 4: You can don't run an economy of the industrial scale
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  Speaker 4: the size of Australia on an orineables approach.
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  Speaker 2: Just look at Spain and Portugal. The reality is is
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  Speaker 2: even Anthony Albanezi is saying your energy bill is going
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  Speaker 2: to go up, not down. Liberals now dump their firm
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  Speaker 2: conviction for nuclear power, throw it away because they're scared
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  Speaker 2: of the election result, or if they go pro green
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  Speaker 2: energy at the same time the Nationals are going the
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  Speaker 2: other way. They're going to be torn apart and to
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  Speaker 2: a final lie that it's somehow Sky News' fault that
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals got smashed. It's even the Financial Review wrote
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  Speaker 2: to a silly editorial today. Well, look, speaking for myself
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  Speaker 2: and this is our most popular show, I actually didn't
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  Speaker 2: want the Liberals to offer higher taxes than labor shock,
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  Speaker 2: or go on a spend a thon or hardest defense policy,
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  Speaker 2: or run from explaining the nuclear policy, or run rubbish
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  Speaker 2: ads or refuse to attack Donald Trump. I said attack
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump? How often did I say that? So tomorrow
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals have to have a serious thing, who actually
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  Speaker 2: has the talent, who has the policies to lead them
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  Speaker 2: for three years, knowing what we will then face after
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  Speaker 2: three years of labor. It's not easy. But for now
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  Speaker 2: I would say reluctantly Angus Taylor with Susan Lee as
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  Speaker 2: his deputy, maybe Tim Wilson and my second choice either
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  Speaker 2: way around Lee and Taylor. But in the end, never
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  Speaker 2: mind the faces. It will be the policies that count most.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me and Michael Kroger, former Victorian Liberal President Steve Conroy,
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  Speaker 2: former Labor senator and Cabinet minister Stephen Little Proud beat Canavan.
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  Speaker 2: But I can't see how the Liberals called risk a
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  Speaker 2: split with the Nationals, but being in nuclear power policy,
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  Speaker 2: were going labor light in climate policies.
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  Speaker 6: Look, it's going to be a real challenge for them
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  Speaker 6: to straddle the National Party's position. Look, when the nuclear
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  Speaker 6: policy was announced, I was a little bit cynical about it.
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  Speaker 6: From the liberal national perspective. They needed to not drive
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  Speaker 6: the left and the tail seats further away from themselves,
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  Speaker 6: so they had to say, well, we're still committed to
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  Speaker 6: net zero by twenty fifty. But at the same time
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  Speaker 6: they needed to keep the national parties in the cart
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  Speaker 6: and so this was a way of sort of keeping
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  Speaker 6: both parts together. It wasn't meaningful, as you've mentioned, I think,
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  Speaker 6: and others have mentioned. They didn't campaign in the seats,
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  Speaker 6: they didn't champion the policy anywhere, and it just about
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  Speaker 6: disappeared without trace, and they allowed labor it costs six
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  Speaker 6: hundred million dollars, and I think I heard Little Proud
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  Speaker 6: say it's not six hundred and sixty billion dollars. It's
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  Speaker 6: only three hundred and thirty billion dollars of taxpayers.
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  Speaker 2: Money, US even funded. I don't need to center conscrutinized.
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  Speaker 6: No, I'm saying that's what Little Proud said. It was
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  Speaker 6: three thirty billion in an interview, the whole thing, so
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  Speaker 6: that labor keeps saying it's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So I think nuclear was a way to keep the
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  Speaker 6: Nats and the Liberals and the left of the liberals all.
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  Speaker 2: In the same camp.
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  Speaker 6: Now they're getting to make the hard choice. Are they
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  Speaker 6: going to stick the path on the nuclear option, which
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  Speaker 6: is a nationalized industry, not something the Liberal Party would
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  Speaker 6: normally do. Or are they going to move down the
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  Speaker 6: path to try and win those Teal seats back and
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  Speaker 6: become what you call lad a light And that is
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  Speaker 6: a very difficult proposition.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, what do you think.
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  Speaker 7: Can't possibly dump the nuclear policy for all the obvious reasons.
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  Speaker 7: I think what should happen, Andrew is the opposition should
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  Speaker 7: say that our responsibility as a government would be to
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  Speaker 7: provide the regulatory framework for the nuclear industry to operate
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  Speaker 7: effectively in Australia consistent with domestic and international obligations. And
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  Speaker 7: we'll be funding the nuclear industry to the extent the
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  Speaker 7: same percentage that we fund the renewable industry, but that
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  Speaker 7: it's basically a private sector investment, but we will subsidize,
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  Speaker 7: we will provide the regulation, but it's over to the
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  Speaker 7: private sector. I think that's the way forward. Otherwise it'll
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  Speaker 7: never happen.
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  Speaker 4: Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to the reshuffle, Stephen. There weren't that many changes,
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  Speaker 2: just a couple of old talk about but one particularly
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  Speaker 2: had Ed Husick dumped as Industry Minister because of the
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  Speaker 2: factional thing the right to New South Wales right versus
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  Speaker 2: the Victorian right. He lashed out a Deputy Premister, Richard
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  Speaker 2: Marleser being the faction boss who dumped him for another
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  Speaker 2: faction member.
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  Speaker 8: Haven't looked the difficult issue here is that we've had
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  Speaker 8: sort of baar faced ambition and a deputy prime minister
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  Speaker 8: wheeled a factional club to reshape the ministry. I think
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  Speaker 8: when people look at a deputy prime minister, they expect
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  Speaker 8: to see a statesman, not a factional assassin.
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  Speaker 2: The former premise Paul Kenny went not saying this was
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  Speaker 2: terrible and terrible and Stephen, you are fingered as the
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  Speaker 2: faction heavy who got rid of Husick and or Attorney
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  Speaker 2: General Mark Dreyfus. What was your reasoning for doing so?
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  Speaker 6: Well, look, I'm a feather duster, I've been out of
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  Speaker 6: Parliament for nine years and well it's very flattering for people.
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  Speaker 6: All the papers had some role to play in this.
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  Speaker 6: You shouldn't always believe what you read in the newspapers. Look,
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  Speaker 6: I just make a point of even what you and
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 6: So Paul Keating has always lived by the maximum. If
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  Speaker 6: you don't live in Sydney, you're camping out. And he's
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  Speaker 6: more and more starting to appear as a a desiccated coconut.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I admit that Sam and Dan have not
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  Speaker 6: managed a rock band as a qualification with getting into parliament.
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  Speaker 6: But Dan Melino has got a PhD in economics from
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  Speaker 6: Yale and Sam Ray has got a science degree from
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  Speaker 6: A and U and an NBA from Melbourne Business School.
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  Speaker 6: So to try and suggest that some individuals in Victoria
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  Speaker 6: because they live in Victoria don't have qualifications, Paul, is
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  Speaker 6: just frankly an embarrassment to yourself.
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  Speaker 2: But why did you get refusick and not Chris Bowen?
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  Speaker 6: Look, there has been some perception the problem that the
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  Speaker 6: National had was that because there was a landslide and
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  Speaker 6: the Socialist Left picked up a much greater proportion of
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  Speaker 6: that landslide, the balance of the ministry went from sixteen
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  Speaker 6: fourteen to the Right to fifteen fifteen. So somebody in
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  Speaker 6: the right the job Victorian.
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  Speaker 2: To lose one of them. It's why did you get
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  Speaker 2: rid of South Wales and not Chris Bowen? As a failure.
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  Speaker 6: The new South Wales Right determined their five positions. It
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  Speaker 6: was up to them to determine, not Richard Miles, not
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  Speaker 6: the Victorian Right. So I've seen some of these issues complated.
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  Speaker 6: The right had to lose one position to the socialist left.
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  Speaker 6: The New South Wales Right chose their five and the
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  Speaker 6: Victorians chose their four. So the New South Wales Right
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  Speaker 6: were in charge of their own decisions, not Richards and
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  Speaker 6: not the Victorian right.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy, and not Stephen Conroy, Michael Kroger the Liberal
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  Speaker 2: leadership tomorrow. You've got even the Liberal Party, it's got
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  Speaker 2: even tougher choices to make there. How do you see
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  Speaker 2: that going down?
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  Speaker 7: Look, Andrew, Before we get to that, I want to
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  Speaker 7: congratulate Stephen on his promotion to fashional assassin. I think
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  Speaker 7: he did a great job dumbing ed Husick was.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we.
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  Speaker 7: Didn't know this at the time, but the reason for
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  Speaker 7: dumbing ed Husick was very visible yesterday on the Insider's program.
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  Speaker 1: Well done on you predicting that.
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  Speaker 7: And Mark drefus for all or is we know Andrew,
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  Speaker 7: Mark Drafers should have resigned from that cabinet months and
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: months ago over the appalling treatment of Israel and the
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: Jewish community in Australia, and Mark Dravis sat there storm
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: for two years and did nothing about that. So again,
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  Speaker 7: congratulations on him. Being removed. On the other issue, Andrew,
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  Speaker 7: that's a matter for the Parliamentary Party. As we know,
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  Speaker 7: people from the organization will wing like me and others.
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  Speaker 7: You don't have enough knowledge of the MP's working in
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: shadow cabinet and policy committees, et cetera. Said, you just
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  Speaker 7: don't know the policy interests over the years of the
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  Speaker 7: particular candidates. So people outside the Parliament's always John howdsview,
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  Speaker 7: by the way, are not the best judge of who
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  Speaker 7: the Parliamentary Party should pick us leader.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why we leave it to them.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm sure they'll do a good job tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, You and I know that when the camera's not rolling,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: you've got plenty of opinions watching leader, and why well
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  Speaker 2: least tell us who you think the favorite is.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're equal favorites. Actually I don't, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: People well, some well hang on, some say some say
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  Speaker 7: Angus is failed his favorite, and some say Susan's favorite.
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  Speaker 7: So the answer is, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't to work that out. Yeah, I'm not involved
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  Speaker 1: in the leadership ballot.
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  Speaker 7: It's you know, Andrew, years and years of involvement in
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  Speaker 7: the Liberal Party have told me that once organizational people
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: start getting involved in the leadership ballots, it's it never helps.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you that it never helps. They don't want.
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  Speaker 7: Views from outside the party and that is the long history.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen, can I can I ask you to put it
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: aside your faction leader cudgels for a second. Could you
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: give that a frank appraiser is whether who should be
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: leader to take it up to the Labor Party knowing
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that you've got nothing to lose. You're going to win
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: the next election anyway.
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: So look, if I if I had to choose who
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: would be the best choice for the Labor Party, I
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: would go for the Tailor Price ticket. Susan Leigh at
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: least has a chance to rebuild the Liberal Party, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: depending on who she picks a deputy, you know, if
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: she strikes out with the right policy agenda, that's possible.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: But I think a Taylor Price ticket is one that
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: people in the Labor Party will be raising their glasses
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: to tomorrow.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Gentlemen, Michael Craig and Stephen Connory, thank you very much
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: to you both. After the break, Donald Trump is set
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to accept a six hundred million dollar present from a
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: government which hides Hamas Terris what on earth? Well, since
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I'm on a roll telling hard and unpopular truths Donald Trump. Now,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I have said from the start that Trump was making
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: a catastrophic mistake sucking up to Russian president of letting
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: me Putin and attacking Ukraine instead. I mean, how naive
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: for a US president to hope that that Sakabary would
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: make Putin choose America for its our instead of China,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: even though except that China and Russia together are a
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: big threat. Well, last Friday, Trump got that fantasy of
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: winning over Russia shoved right back in his face. From
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: when you look at Putin's annual Victory Day parade in
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Moscow to mark the end of World War II in Europe.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Not only was China's president the China's president Putin's guest
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: of honor, Communists Chinese soldiers actually marched in that parade.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Even though this People's Liberation Army never fought that war.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: He left that instead to the Nationalist army. Then more blundering.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Last weekend, the leaders of France, Britain, Germany and Poland
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: all went to see Ukraine's president, Vladimir Zelenski in Kiev
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and demanded that Russia agree to an immediate thirty days
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: seas far or else the seas far of starting today.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: But Putinstalled yet again said no to the ceasfar. He said,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: instead talk directly to Zelenski this week in Turkey, and
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Trump actually backed them, said Ukraine should agree to this immediately,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: and so keeps stringing this out, a war that Trump
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: used to promise he'd end in one day. Join mister
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the country sop Foreign Affairs Ruddergrig Sheridan of the Australian Greg,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: great to see you again. At what stage will Trump
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: finally tell Putin that's.
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: Enough, well, Andrew, great to be with you. I must
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: say this is the most disappointing aspect of the second
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: Trump presidency. You know, his supporters will say he's playing
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: four dimensional chess and there's some deep end game and
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: so on. But that's all Blaney. Trump has just been
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: outplayed by Putin. He has given many, many things to Putin,
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: to promise Ukraine will never join NATO, and effective promise
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: that can't join the EU, restrictions on arms to Ukraine,
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: restrictions on intelligence cooperation, a sense of no you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: dwindling US investment in Ukraine, and yet he's got nothing
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: back from Ptin, nothing at all. And so the critical
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: minerals agreement Trump did with Ukraine is good because it
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: involves the US. But vance his vice president keeps talking
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: about America might just walk away from this dispute if
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: they don't have a piece agreement. Well, if walking away
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: really means walking away, that means they give no more
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: support to Ukraine, which just leaves them naked to Russia.
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: So there's just no way you can slice or dice
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: this other than to say that Trump, who is determined
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: never to think geostrategically, only to think about his own
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: personal relationship, has been seduced by Putin's flattery and has
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: been taken to the cleaners.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're wrong to say Putin didn't give him anything.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Putin did send him Greg a very lovely oil painting
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, which Donald Trump thought was very touching,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: But you've reported that before. Meanwhile, America's ABC, greg I
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: could not believe this story, is reporting that Trump is
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: set to accept a six hundred million dollar present of
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: a jet from Qatar, a Boeing. Qatar, by the way,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: is protected the leaders of the Hamasterist group and Trump
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: will use it as his official Air Force one and
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: then transfer it to the Trump Presidential Library. Now, Katar says,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: no funnel decision that has been made for Trump. Officials
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: have checked to see that this would not be abroad
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and say it's all along the clear.
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: But is it kosher. No, it's a disgrace. It's kind
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: of grotesque. I mean, like you, Andrew, I try to
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: find the good in Trump where it is, and he
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: does some good things and some bad things, and you
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: know there's a lot in his program which is quite good.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: But this is grotesque.
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: This is quite obscene, as if American needs to get
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: Air Force one as a donation from an Arab country.
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: But what Trump is obviously planning to do is put
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: this airplane in his own pocket, so to speak. He's
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: going to use it with this presidential library. So that's
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: a six hundred million dollar plane which he gets effectively
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: as a bribe from an Arab dictatorship, which he will
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: be dealing with as president for the next three and
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: a half years. Honestly, if Bill Clinton or Barack Obama
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: or anybody tried to get away with this with all
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: Republicans would be screaming about it. All of us commentators
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: would be screaming about it. I'd certainly be screaming about it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: I can only hope that this is just so grotesque
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: that even Trump recoils from it eventually. But it also
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: it's so disturbing because it shows you what Trump is
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: thinking about all the time. How can I get a
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: plane for my personal use without spending any of my
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: billions of dollars after I leave the presidency, rather than
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: what is in the best interests of the country and
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: the world.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I I found it absolutely shocking, unbelievable. Greg, the new
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: pope is giving a press conference right now. Is first
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: press confer diference to the world media. Your thoughts on
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Pope Leo.
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: Look, I think Pope Leo is a very big improvement
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: on Pope Francis. I think Pope Francis was a sincere
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: man of God, but I disagreed with his politics, and
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: he put his politics ahead of ahead of his theology
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: in a way, and his theology was so unclear because
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: he made so many contradictory remarks.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Leo, it's a great name.
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: The last Pope Leo was the author of Catholic social teaching,
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: completely rejected socialism, and defended private property but offered the
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: working class an alternative to communism, but was also primarily
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: concerned with religious truth. This guy, he's an Augustinian. The
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: Jesuits were the churches politicians, the Augustinians of the churches intellectuals.
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: He was a missionary for twenty years in Peru. He
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: lives the life he preaches. He's a moderate, modest man,
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: very learned degrees in theology and canon law. Or he's
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: an American. Now we've got to wait and see how
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: he performs. Popes arelike presidents, you know, they can end
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: up doing anything. But I think it's tremendously encouraging that
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: he'll bring Catholics back together again after all the splits
• 28:13
  Speaker 9: that developed under Francis. He might have political views, some
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: of which I disagree with, but I hope he subordinates
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: those to his primary task, which is proclaiming Christ risen.
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: And you know, I think he's a man of goodwill,
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: compromised choice, and he might even make an Australian archbishop
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: or to cardinal down the track.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I think he could be very good for Australia.
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: He's visited here a number of times, and you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: I don't know that the Holy Spirit chooses the pope,
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: but it looks like a good choice has been made
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: on this occasion.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: We'll have some more about the pope later in the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: show that I think people will enjoy, like a phone
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: call indiscreet those brother Greg Sheridan, thank you so much
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: indeed for your time now. The premise of today did
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: say he was hoping to fly on to Rome after
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: this visit to after his visit to Indonesia day after
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: tomorrow to go. He wants to go and see the
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: pope being installed. So it makes me wonder if he's
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: tacking to the right. Look.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I've been invited to the formal inauguration of Pope Leo
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: the four ninh It's taking place on Sunday. It's my
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: intention where we're sorting out logistics at the moment to
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: travel from Takata to Rome and to the Vatican City
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: to be able to attend and represent Australia Mother's Day yesterday.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: And can I say this, My mum would be pretty
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: pretty toughed at the idea that her son will be
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: going as Prime Minister to see the inauguration of a
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: pope in the Vatican City.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Much more of this, and I feel that the Liberals
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: will find Anthony is very hard to beat after the break,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Why this Muslim minister played dangerous politics after being dumped
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: by the Albanezer government to the dangerous tantrum thrown by
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Labour's ed Hu Sick. Now this identity politics pushed by
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the Albertize governments, turning our Australian nation into just a
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: bunch of tribes, each fighting for their own and now
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: it's backfiring on the government and it's all Ed Husick
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: was the Albanize government's industry minister is now being dumped
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: by Labour's right wing faction that promoted him last time,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: by the way, to make room in Albanese's ministry for
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Sam Ray, another faction player of the rope we discussed
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: earlier in the show. Now Hu Sick is a Muslim
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: and yesterday played the religion card, falsely claiming he was
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: dumped in part for criticizing Israel and Muslims needed him there.
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: You can't celebrate diversity and then expect it to sit
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: in a corner silent. Think this has cost you, Oh,
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: I think it's been a factor, in particular on issues
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: like Gaza. They needed to be faith in Muslim communities
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: around the country that their voice was being heard.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: That was really important.
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: A lot of communities, members of Muslim communities stayed with
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: the government through this election, and I would hate to
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: think that they felt abandoned after that.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: See how this poisonous identity politics works. He's at hu
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Sick fighting for personal political power by playing the Muslim
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: card and spreading the fossil that labels anti Muslim by
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: dumping him, even though by the way they today promoted
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a Muslim woman in his place, okay, and his message
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: was echoed even by Muslim radical shik Wisam chau Kawi.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: He's the convenier of the Muslim vote, he said, who
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Acusic being dumped wasn't about performance, It's ideological cleansing. He said,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Muslims are welcome in politics only when they are convenient.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Joining mister Pennell, this story of the late debate here
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: on Sky weekdays at ten pm. Stephen Trevoura, an author
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and senior lecture in history a Caampi in college. Stephen,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: what you saw from Husick that's in the new tribalism,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: isn't it Using the politics of race and religious identity
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to whip up grievances for personal advantage, it.
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: Sure is, and to misappropriate Winston Churchill, men who ride
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: wild tigers dare not dismount and Labor has been riding
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: the wild tiger of identity politics hard for decades now.
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: They've been going on about Islamophobia in Australia. In fact,
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: Anthony Albanizi just yet last year announced a special envoy
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: to combat Islamophobia and a similar envoy for anti Semitism.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: And so they've been riding this pretty hard.
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: And now yeah, they've gotten off the tiger, and the
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: tiger's turning around and snapping.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Back at them.
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: And this is one of the reasons that Labor found
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: it so hard to navigate the Israel position because the
• 33:00
  Speaker 10: fact of the matter is in Sydney you've got the
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: Blacksland electorate and now Labor electorate which has thirty two
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: percent Muslims.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: In Watson next door.
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: You've got the electorate with twenty three percent Muslims, and
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: Labour has to be very very careful about this issue
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: and this is an issue that they themselves have created. Now,
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: this kind of religious sectarian and sectarianism in Aussie politics
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: is nothing new We had it in the nineteen fifties
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: with the labor split between the left in Labor and
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: the conservative Catholics.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: But once now that we sort of.
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: Thought we'd gotten rid of the Protestant Catholic sectarianism in Australia,
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: it looks like we've actually imported a whole new sectarianism
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: in Australia, which really became obvious not just after nine
• 33:41
  Speaker 10: to eleven, but also now in the midst of this
• 33:45
  Speaker 10: conflict between Israel and Hermas and quite frankly brought to
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: you by both political parties courtesy of the ideology of multiculturalism.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And Liz also dumped from the Aberdiji Governments ministry was
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: the only jew Mark Drayfuss. So should Jewish people say,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: where's ours? Where are the Hindus in that cabinet? Where
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: are the Sikhs? You know, where are the Buddhists? I
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: mean ridiculous? How many categories of identity should that cabinet
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: or that ministry embrace.
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: Indeed, Andrew, it just goes to show that Husick's claim
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: here and indeed the shake backing him in it's got
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: no basis in fact, especially as you pointed out an
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: Ali who is also a Muslim and has echoed hu
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: six sentiments regarding Gaza the entire time. She has now
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: been elevated to cabinet. So the idea that this is
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: some sort of ideological cleansing simply falls flat. But I
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: would argue this isn't new tribalism at all.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: It's as old.
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: It's as time itself. Humans have always organized themselves into tribes,
• 34:52
  Speaker 11: warring tribes, peace packed tribes. This is the way it's
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: been throughout time immemorial. And I think the reason why
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: the main reason why societies across the West are now
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: so divided is because this idea that we've all been sold,
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: this narrative of the wonders of diversity and inclusion, is
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: predicated on this idea that humans aren't tribal, which we are.
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: It's inherent, it's innate. This can take many forms. It's
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: not always religious, it's not always race based. It can
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: be someone's sporting team. It can be like the idea
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: that you're part of a political faction, which is what
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: we clearly saw in ed Hu sick Going. This was
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: simply a faction war. But people are now being told no, no,
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: we're not tribal everyone can get along. It doesn't matter
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: how diverse we are. History bears out that this has
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: never and as far as I'm concerned, will never be
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: the case.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: David Liz, I agree with you. It's a human instinct.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: But I have to say the ideal like preached by Christianity,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: this is basically a Christian culture. We though it might
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: be now. It has been based on love our neighbor
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: as thyself, the good Samaritan reaching out. There is you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: one God, but lots of people under that one got
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. We've been told not to
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: accept tribalism, to look beyond that, and this is different.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: What we're seeing here is different. It's a victimology, which
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I think is very toxic, very dangerous. But speaking of
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: things Christian, the new Pope, Pope Leo, born in Chicago,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: gave his first Sunday message at the Vaniking yesterday to
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: a huge crowd.
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: Franchise Hope Francis has repeatedly stated, I too appeal to
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: the great ones of the world, repeating the ever relevant
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: plea no more war la guera.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: But Stephen, unlike Pope Francis, this seems a pope that
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: might actually speak truth to dictators and warmongers. I mean,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: there's a video of him that's emerged where he attacks
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Russia for its invasion of Ukraine as war crimes. There's
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: something the Pope, Pope Francis didn't do calling out political
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: leaders of South America returning a blind eye.
• 37:21
  Speaker 13: Have looked the Nostros, Tambiennics, Wanto's political subversa, pais no
• 37:27
  Speaker 13: Kierendriconoser Loso, roles Is Guerra de la Maldarquie, Russia, star.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Pus Realissandro and Tolas au Grania. Steve, what do you
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: make of this pope? Oh?
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean it's looking very hopeful. I mean this
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: pope follows two very controversial pope. So you had Pope
• 37:52
  Speaker 10: Benedict the sixteenth, who was a very conservative pope and
• 37:56
  Speaker 10: so he was very disliked by the left in the
• 37:59
  Speaker 10: Catholic and you've just had Pope Francis, who was a
• 38:02
  Speaker 10: very left wing pope. In fact, I think Greg Sheridan
• 38:04
  Speaker 10: said that he was fully on board with the global
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: left or something along those lines in a recent article.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And so now you've got a pope who has.
• 38:12
  Speaker 10: Named himself after Leo thirteenth the late nineteenth century pope
• 38:16
  Speaker 10: who sought to take a sort of centrist middle ground
• 38:20
  Speaker 10: between unbridled capitalism and communism in a way, just try
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: to sort of unite to schools of social thinking and
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: sort of harmonize the best parts of them. And I
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: suspect that this pope is going to try and do
• 38:35
  Speaker 10: the same thing. And you know, so he's got fairly
• 38:38
  Speaker 10: standard views on climate change, for example, but on other issues,
• 38:42
  Speaker 10: for example, life and LGBT and.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Trans ideology, I found him to be very good. He
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: was very.
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: Outspoken against the extreme advocacy of abortion of Hillary Clinton
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: and singled her out specifically, but has also said he's
• 38:57
  Speaker 10: on the record saying that the trans ideology confuses people,
• 39:01
  Speaker 10: makes up genders that don't exist, and he even tried
• 39:05
  Speaker 10: and he even lobbied against its introduction in schools in Peru.
• 39:09
  Speaker 10: So this actually might be what you call a bridging pope.
• 39:12
  Speaker 10: And so this actually could be a really good way
• 39:14
  Speaker 10: forwards to get rid of some of the divisions between Catholics. Look,
• 39:19
  Speaker 10: maybe for the next ten years or however long this pope.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Lives, Liz, the Pope's desire for world peace might seem
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: a bit tested by his own brother, though his brother
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: first didn't answer the Pope's calls for a couple of
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: hours and then put him on speakerphone with the media listening,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and ever looked at this.
• 39:44
  Speaker 12: Answer you.
• 39:45
  Speaker 14: Well, first, you need to know you're on the air
• 39:47
  Speaker 14: right now. This has been going on since eleven o'clock
• 39:52
  Speaker 14: this morning. This is the first time I'm hearing that
• 39:54
  Speaker 14: this thing rang, and we are being filmed and recorded.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Right now, right this very minute, Liz. Let's not the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: act of a brother with any media smarts to put
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: the Pope straight to air like that. I suspect, being American,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: this Pope's going to get a lot more media scrutiny, though, I.
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: Suspect you're right, Andrew. I mean, thank goodness the Pope
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: didn't answer or give him a call and give him
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  Speaker 11: a greeting that a typical sibling would. He could have
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  Speaker 11: said anything at that moment. I know if I was
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  Speaker 11: taking a call from one of my siblings, Goodness knows
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  Speaker 11: what's going to come out of our mouths. First things first,
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  Speaker 11: But thankfully the Pope did not say anything untoward, except
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: to supposedly rebuke his brother for taking that long to
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  Speaker 11: take his call, But you can tell John Privos there
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: was really enjoying his time in the spotlight. Yes, I've
• 40:53
  Speaker 11: got the pope on the line. Incredibly immature, but I'm
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: sure that his brother will give him a good thumping
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  Speaker 11: for it once he's off the air.
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  Speaker 2: You mean, not a good prayer or blessing something else
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  Speaker 2: of his story, Steven TREVERA thank you very much to
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  Speaker 2: you both. After the break. Did a sex scandal of
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  Speaker 2: the International Criminal Court lead to Israel's prime minister being
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: accused of war crimes? Plus Britain's Prime minister finally takes
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: the big stick to immigration to a scandal of the
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  Speaker 2: International Criminal Court? Quite sinister. More identity politics. I'm afraid.
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  Speaker 2: Karim Khan is a Muslim lawyer from Britain who became
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the Criminal Court's chief prosecutor. He last year applied for
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: warrants for the arrest of Israeli President Benjamin et Yahoo
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  Speaker 2: for alleged war crimes in Gaza. It was a stunning call,
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  Speaker 2: very controversial. Of the years government announced that other countries too.
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  Speaker 2: But our government, I'm afraid, refuses to say if it
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  Speaker 2: would act on that warrant and arrest of that Yaoho.
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  Speaker 2: If he ever came to Australia. But here's the scandal.
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  Speaker 2: Just two and a half weeks before Khan made that
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  Speaker 2: very political call to arrest Netnyahu, he actually learned that
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  Speaker 2: one of his own staffers that accused him of rape
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  Speaker 2: can't denies it. The question now is did Khan then
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: call for Netniez's arrest so that Muslim countries would at
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: least back him if this alleged scandal came out. Because
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: suddenly Khan was in a rush for these warrants, he
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: canceled a fact finding trip that had been arranged to
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  Speaker 2: Israel and Gaza, a trip he said was very important
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: for him to make up his mind. And now we
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  Speaker 2: learn that his accuser and Muslim herself claimed Khan told
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  Speaker 2: her not to go public with her claims, but to
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  Speaker 2: think about the Palestinian arrest warrants, how they were to
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: be affected, and told her the casualties will unfortunately be
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: three you and your family, me and my family, and
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the justice of the victims. Joined me from London as writer,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: broadcast and commentator arrest of Krakhu Yesther. I mean, gee,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: we're so far we're just talking about allegations. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: that had denied. But this is looking mercy or mercier.
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  Speaker 15: It is, I mean, this is this exclusive by the
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  Speaker 15: Wall Street Journal gets more fascinating and quite disturbing.
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  Speaker 5: The more you read into it. So, actually, the rumors
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: of these sort of sexual.
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  Speaker 15: Impropriety with regards to mister Khan and his engagement alleged
• 43:16
  Speaker 15: with his staffer came out in October last year, So
• 43:19
  Speaker 15: we're swirling around in October over the year.
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  Speaker 5: Before and actually just a few weeks before this.
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  Speaker 15: Lady decided to go public with this allegation, there was
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: a senior advisor in the International Criminal Court that went
• 43:33
  Speaker 15: to mister Khan's house actually to address him directly and
• 43:36
  Speaker 15: to see if these rumors had any bases. And then
• 43:39
  Speaker 15: a few weeks after that these arrest warrants were issued.
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  Speaker 15: So actually these had been these kind of murmurings had
• 43:44
  Speaker 15: been going on for months prior to it. So there
• 43:47
  Speaker 15: are many questions as to whether he rushed this, uh
• 43:50
  Speaker 15: these arrest warrants to try and cover up any sort
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: of negative press or publicity or on him. Of course,
• 43:56
  Speaker 15: he denies all the allegations, but it paints a bigger
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  Speaker 15: problem for the ICIC, which is if the internal handling
• 44:03
  Speaker 15: of alleged sexual miss impropriety is so poor and weak.
• 44:08
  Speaker 15: How are they jumping to the conclusion that nessa who
• 44:11
  Speaker 15: should be served in a restaurant for allegedly trying to
• 44:14
  Speaker 15: starve guards and citizens and directly targeting guards and citizens.
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  Speaker 5: Remember, part of.
• 44:18
  Speaker 15: The reason why this restaurant was so controversial is because
• 44:21
  Speaker 15: one Gars is a heavily densely populated area. And also
• 44:24
  Speaker 15: it kind of seemed like he was putting Neshu and Hamas,
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  Speaker 15: who literally had barbarically butchered thousands of innocent Israeli citizens,
• 44:32
  Speaker 15: on the same pedestal the same level.
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  Speaker 5: Now, of course I'm not a legal scholar, and I.
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  Speaker 15: Don't claim to to to whether promote or not promote
• 44:39
  Speaker 15: the legal basis for this, but it's very, very peculiar.
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  Speaker 15: And of course these allegations just makes the ic C
• 44:44
  Speaker 15: seem either more incompetent or just more politically inclined.
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  Speaker 2: Sure does Esther. Your labor government has battled for a
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: long time with these invasion of legal immigrants and boats,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: boats and boats loads coming over and some ridiculous story.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I saw one the other day. You know
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: that alleged Islamic Iranian terrorists were actually housed as illegal
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: immigrants in the house provided by taxpayers. Really crazy stuff.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: The government has now finally acted taking a big sticket,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: says to immigration, Migrants will be told they've got to
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: spend a decade in Britain before they can apply for citizenship,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: stricter English language requirements, and many fewer immigrants so that
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: they won't say quite how few. How big is this?
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Well, it's definitely a shift in the Overton window.
• 45:36
  Speaker 15: I mean for Kirstalmar to say something like, you know,
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: the increase in the population doesn't necessarily mean economic growth,
• 45:42
  Speaker 15: and to say that mass migration is turning Britain into
• 45:44
  Speaker 15: an island of strangers is a.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Huge admission for him. The question is whether anyone believes it.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, this is the same man who said he's
• 45:50
  Speaker 15: going to stop the boat and smash the gangs, and yet,
• 45:53
  Speaker 15: you know, shy of a year into his premiership, they're
• 45:55
  Speaker 15: coming stronger than ever. You know this, You rightly say,
• 45:58
  Speaker 15: invasion of predominant men of working age coming across these
• 46:02
  Speaker 15: boats coming from France, claiming that France is some sort
• 46:05
  Speaker 15: of you know, terrorist healthscape, and he hasn't been able
• 46:07
  Speaker 15: to smash the gangs. I mean, the idea of even
• 46:09
  Speaker 15: smashing a gang that's making upwards of a million pounds
• 46:12
  Speaker 15: of the illegal smuggling of people is ludicrous because just
• 46:16
  Speaker 15: like the drugs trade, you smash one and another one
• 46:18
  Speaker 15: will take its place. It's actually to make the country
• 46:20
  Speaker 15: less attractive, like the Australians did that. Our government actually
• 46:23
  Speaker 15: hired consultants from Australia to try and get us to
• 46:26
  Speaker 15: do and yet the government decided, the successive governments decided
• 46:29
  Speaker 15: to squander that. So again, not many people believe him
• 46:32
  Speaker 15: because he's had a lot of time to do the talking,
• 46:34
  Speaker 15: particularly in opposition, and you know, ten months into his
• 46:37
  Speaker 15: premiership it has been extremely disappointing, you know. I mean
• 46:41
  Speaker 15: he's talking about renting private accommodation for illegal migrants instead
• 46:45
  Speaker 15: of putting them up in hotels. Now, the hotels was
• 46:47
  Speaker 15: controversial enough, but actually telling local Brits that they will
• 46:50
  Speaker 15: now have to compete with the housing supply with illegal
• 46:53
  Speaker 15: migrants who have really no reason to be here is
• 46:56
  Speaker 15: a complete insult. And so many people are thinking, well,
• 46:58
  Speaker 15: you're saying one thing and doing another.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I don't know whether you've had the same
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: phenomenon there is here. But here, you know, a decade
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: ago or whatever, fifteen whatever, saying no to immigrants, to
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: illegal immigrants was racist, and now the left is embraced too.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: So it just proves the adage for me, the difference
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: between a conservative and someone of the left is simply time,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: wait long enough and tomorrow's racist act will become necessary. Now,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: is that what is happening in Britain where you've now
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: got a labor government say we've got to crack down
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: on immigration.
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  Speaker 15: Absolutely, and I think a lot of credit can actually
• 47:37
  Speaker 15: be given too Blue Labor, which is the kind of
• 47:39
  Speaker 15: more traditional working class nineteen seventies through a back faction
• 47:42
  Speaker 15: of the Labor Party saying hey, you used to be
• 47:44
  Speaker 15: the party of the working class. If you have loads
• 47:47
  Speaker 15: of people entering our work market, you drive down wages,
• 47:50
  Speaker 15: You're hurting you know, the working class the most. And
• 47:53
  Speaker 15: these policies are destroying the fabric of this country. There's
• 47:56
  Speaker 15: no social trust. You have strange men, you know, leering
• 47:59
  Speaker 15: and just hanging around schools, primary schools. There have been
• 48:03
  Speaker 15: rumors and police support of these kinds of strange men
• 48:07
  Speaker 15: just hanging around schools. And we know that these kinds
• 48:10
  Speaker 15: of topics are very sensitive because when the grooming gang
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: scandal came out, it turns out that there were MPs
• 48:15
  Speaker 15: back in the early two thousands that said, hello, we've
• 48:17
  Speaker 15: had reports of strange men, predominantly of a particular origin,
• 48:20
  Speaker 15: hanging around schools, primary and secondary schools, trying to pick
• 48:24
  Speaker 15: up young girls. So again, is this actually going to
• 48:27
  Speaker 15: lead to some changes. We don't know, but we know
• 48:29
  Speaker 15: that reform has made the message very, very loud and clear.
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  Speaker 2: It's the CREC way. It's great to talk to you,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. That's it for me. Sherry matchin next. Good Night.