Latest / The Skol Hop / Ctrl Alt Bier & A Poem, Vikings Tight End Situation, 3 Mushy Spots of Vikings Roster, Hangs with YouBetcha! | TSH Ep. 41
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- 0:25All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode of the
- 0:29Schoolhop. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. We're just a couple of dudes from
- 0:32Iowa. We like drinking beer. I like talking about the Vikings. Yeah,
- 0:34we do, and we're continuing the trend. Maybe the listeners are a
- 0:40few that we have hate this mystery beer segment. I love it. I
- 0:43have a lot of fun with it. I think you like it too.
- 0:45So if you hate it, I'm sorry, we're gonna keep doing it.
- 0:49And if you love it, you're welcome. I've got a little something special
- 0:52for this too. Was that just a hint at the name? No?
- 0:56Okay, all right, I guess that wouldn't make any sense either, because
- 1:00anyways, episode forty one, Evan, episode forty one, we had to
- 1:03doing this, so it's over a year. Forty one. You got running
- 1:08back Dave Osborne, who wore forty one for the Vikings in the sixties and
- 1:12seventies, way back before that time. Yeah, I never saw him.
- 1:15If I've seen him, it's been highlights that I've forgotten about. But I
- 1:19don't want to disrespect him. You had some decent stats and was one of
- 1:22the og Vikings. So and then a little bit later on you had Charles
- 1:26Gordon defensive back who returned kicks and snapped his own ankle. Yeah right,
- 1:33I guess he didn't snap it himself, someone else helped him. And I
- 1:36didn't realize until we just watched that clip that it was against the Packers.
- 1:40So the stinky evil people from across the border. They broke our decent kick
- 1:46returner's ankle and it was pretty gruesome. So if you ever have a chance,
- 1:49just googled Charles Gordon ankle and you'll just see that pretty high high quality
- 1:55slow mo video of his ankle just snapping a little bit. So prayers Charles
- 2:00Gordon. But then recently Anthony Harris. Yeah, yeah, he's franchise tagged
- 2:06by the Vikings after a few good years. I couldn't. I think he
- 2:07was undrafted. I might be wrong on that, but I think he was
- 2:10undrafted and then franchise tagged, And in his franchise tag year he kind of
- 2:15kind of sucked it up a little bit for the Vikings, but bounced around
- 2:19a couple other teams. And I don't know if he's on a team right
- 2:21now. One of these days we'll get a stat kid who can just look
- 2:24all these things up for it. We'll just throw it off to little Jimmy,
- 2:28like Jimmy, what's his SATs on this? And then at the end
- 2:30he's gonna be like, hey, guys, we got some corrections here.
- 2:32Ten minutes ago. Evan, you said this, it was wrong, Austin,
- 2:35you said this. You were right, because you're always right. But
- 2:38yeah, yeah, someday, and then he'll go on to host his own
- 2:39major show like Tony really did under the School Hop umbrella. We're just an
- 2:44empire, you know, Tony Reality's story, right. He was the stat
- 2:47guy for a pardon the interruption, okay, and then he left PTI to
- 2:52go on to do around the horn. He's been doing around the horn for
- 2:54it. That makes sense. You are way more into your more knowledgeable about
- 3:00ESPN. I love those two shows because they're on when I get home from
- 3:04work, and that's just what I do when I get home from work.
- 3:07The most I ever watched ESPN is when we were in college and we had
- 3:10the like the dorm room, you know, channels and everything will package,
- 3:14and that's just we were guys in the dorm room. That's all that was
- 3:16on was Ever, since I don't, I watch all of YouTube, So
- 3:21check us out on YouTube. If you're not watching us on YouTube, you're
- 3:24missing out on a good portion of the experience. You can watch us on
- 3:28Spotify too, and I don't know anywhere else they could watch us. Maybe
- 3:31a clip on TikTok, but either way, I digress. Episode forty one
- 3:37we have is this version four point zero of the Mystery Beer. Yeah.
- 3:40I think this is our fourth episode in a row where we have wrapped the
- 3:45beer in tinfoil. I brought the beer this week, and like I said,
- 3:47I've got something special my sleeve Mystery Beer reveal it really fun. Before
- 3:53we get to that, I do want to give a shout out. I'm
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- 4:51guys, yeah, thanks, yeah, all right, you're ready for
- 4:55this. I'm ready. So how do we are? We just gonna let's
- 4:58pour them up. Okay, all right, let's pour them up first.
- 5:01And this is so exciting. Mm hmm those are those are full? Yeah
- 5:09that's good. I almost want to just smell it right now, to man
- 5:14all over all over the sound equipment. No, okay, good, just
- 5:17the just the bar alright, it's meant to take on. Yeah, yeah,
- 5:23it's like a seasoning. You know, you should have some paper towels,
- 5:26but we'll just use the shirt school school all right, So go ahead
- 5:33and take a sip. I'll take a sip too, we'll just right off
- 5:36the bat. It's a darker, but it's it's not a thick thick you
- 5:42can see through it. But it is a darker color, a slight amber,
- 5:45I'll say, a slight amber. So let's scold up and give it
- 5:47a try. Oh that is that is good. That's got a very pronounced
- 6:00flavor. So I'd like to read you a riddle that I can post.
- 6:04This might be English teacher over here. This might be ridiculously corny. But
- 6:09hey, if not corny, what are we doing? I was bored,
- 6:12and I was like, let's write a riddle. All right, let's hear
- 6:15it. Dev All right, here we go. Every week we drink some
- 6:18beer, and this week is no different. Our beer this week is nothing
- 6:21short of magnificent. M There's a place up north that you and I know
- 6:27well, But only if you guess correct. Will I ever tell? Let's
- 6:31start with style. One might say that I'm boring, but I know what
- 6:35I like, so sue me for not exploring. Hmmm. I like IPA's
- 6:42and I like a good logger. But my taste in beer is no shocker.
- 6:46It's defined by its color. In fact, that's the name. I'd
- 6:49like to think that this beer has some fame. Hopefully you have the type.
- 6:55Now on to the brewery. I'm quite certain I love this so much
- 7:00of it can't keep straight anywhere. All right, let me keep going,
- 7:04keep going, pause forge, all right, all right, it's an amber
- 7:10by the way. You're right, okay, job anyways, keep going.
- 7:13Hopefully you have the type which you do. Now on to the brewery.
- 7:15I'm quite certain this place is nothing new to you or me. Hmmm,
- 7:20at this place, there's no such thing as switching gears. Just pull up
- 7:24a chair and grab some friends and beers. So here we are on our
- 7:29humble Vikings podcast, reminiscing on a place from days long past. I hope
- 7:33that you won't control all delete this half baked rhyme. Surprisingly, it did
- 7:39take me quite some time, but have no fear. The end is near.
- 7:43I hope you enjoy this. Do you know what this is? It
- 7:46is a single speed beer. It is and I think you I think you
- 7:50said the name of it. I alluded to the name of it. Is
- 7:55it picturing? It? Is it called control Alt Delete? It's called Control
- 8:00Alt beer. Ah. I like it. I have not had this one
- 8:03yet. I really enjoyed your whimsical your story. It wasn't really a riddle.
- 8:09It was more of telling it what it is in a very entertaining and
- 8:15fun way. Good job going out of your comfort zone on that. I'm
- 8:18an English teacher. Yeah, it wasn't necessarily way outside of it. It
- 8:20reminded me of something you'd hear in the Hobbit like or something like that.
- 8:26I was inspired by the episode of How I Met Your Mother, of the
- 8:30rhyming episode where they rhyme the whole time. That's a that was a solid
- 8:33episode. If you like that show, you know you know what episode he's
- 8:37talking about. I know what you're talking about. I have not had this
- 8:39beer. It's a very good It is an amber like It's not one of
- 8:43those where you're getting a hint of flavor. It is a full flavored amber
- 8:48beer. Although like I said earlier, you can see through it. It's
- 8:52not a thick one. It's enjoyable. I like this. I definitely definitely
- 9:00we'll try this again. Evan, you have turned me into a one A
- 9:05and one B. So the IPAs are one A and the ambers are one
- 9:09B. And I would agree, and I would say for me, this
- 9:11is one A and a good. I pa is one B so here we
- 9:16are. It's got a rich, yet crisp malt character, fun cherry esters.
- 9:20I don't know what esthers mean, but it sounds fancy and floral and
- 9:24spicy hot notes. I like it. It's really good. I like amber,
- 9:30and I like this, and I like the fact that comes from Cedar
- 9:33Falls Waterloo, it does. That area means a lot to us. It's
- 9:37the home of our alma mater. You stayed there for another decade after we
- 9:41were done. I came home right away. But we like that that area.
- 9:46We love single speed. And I liked your note in your in your
- 9:50poem riddle in your masterpiece there about how we don't have to change gears.
- 9:56Immediately I knew it was a single speed right there. I wasn't trying to
- 10:00be super obvious. I was trying to be clever. It was. It
- 10:03was nice, it was fun. That will absolutely show up on TikTok.
- 10:07So I'll also I will post. I'll publish my writing in the comments.
- 10:11Yeah, there were. If you have any tips, if you'd like to
- 10:13correct my grammar, or if you have a better rhyme, please let me
- 10:18know. I don't claim to be any sort of poet. We should partner
- 10:22with single Speed and put that poem on the back of a T shirt.
- 10:26That's a good idea. Yeah, there you go. All right. I
- 10:30liked it and I can't wait to give a full fledge honest opinion after a
- 10:35couple more. Yeah, sounds good. I already added another one to my
- 10:37Yeah. I should probably do that as well, just to not disrupt the
- 10:41rest of the episode. Well, why are you doing that? We can
- 10:45transition into our first talking point. Yeah, we got a few today.
- 10:48Yeah. So another free agent signing for the Vikings this last week. Robert
- 10:54Tunyan, former Packer and former Bear. Yeah. And wasn't he like a
- 11:00practice squad with the Lions. He's kind of made a tour of the NFC
- 11:03North. Yeah, he's one of very few people in the world to be
- 11:05able to say that he has signed contracts with all four NFC North teams.
- 11:11Yeah. He was a practice squad member with the Lions in twenty seventeen.
- 11:16I don't know how long he was with them, but obviously just never made
- 11:20the fifty three man roster. But also in that same season he signed on
- 11:24the fifty three man roster with the Packers, played a few years there.
- 11:28His best season was in twenty twenty, the COVID year. He had five
- 11:33hundred and eighty six receiving yards, which for me, that's like the tight
- 11:37end version of one thousand yards for me. Of course, you get the
- 11:41tight ends like a Kelsey on good years, you get Hockinson where they will
- 11:45flirt with one thousand yards, maybe even get a little bit more. But
- 11:48for like your regular good tight end, not your elite tight end, but
- 11:52your regular good tight end. Five hundred yards and a handful of touchdowns,
- 11:56that is the good year for them in my eyes at least. So yeah,
- 12:01twenty twenty had five hundred and eighty six yards, eleven touchdowns with the
- 12:05bad guys, played last year with the Bears, and now he's he might
- 12:11be Nick Muse's enemy right now. It might be one or the other for
- 12:16those guys to make the roster. So you've got the tight end room listed
- 12:22out here. Yeah, obviously we've got t. J. Hawkinson, who
- 12:24is the proverbial starter when he's healthy. Oh yeah, he is the second
- 12:31or third receiving option on the team, regardless of position. Yep. But
- 12:37he was quoted saying there's no timetable right now for his return, and I
- 12:43think it's been kind of widely stated that he might end up on the physically
- 12:48unable to Perform list to start the season. That kind of came out today
- 12:54in the last handful of days that I think it was Ben Gesling pretty much
- 12:58said, yeah, he expects TJ to be on the pup list. Which
- 13:03that's that's like a mini IR to begin the season. That's an automatic six
- 13:07games or six weeks. I think that's that's an important designation, especially this
- 13:11year for the Vikings, right, I think it's a six week mandatory,
- 13:16like you can't you can't play. And of course Week six for the Vikings
- 13:22this year is their their bye week. It's after the London game. So
- 13:26if that's true, and if we can also assume TJ is going to come
- 13:30back fully healthy after that, which of course we don't know yet if he
- 13:33will be on the pup list, but we let's just make it easy on
- 13:37ourselves and assume that. But if that's true, he'll be back week seven
- 13:41against who is that against? Oh, against the Lions. I wasn't even
- 13:46trying to do a thing right there, but against his former team, and
- 13:50of course uh, Kirby, Joseph Joseph Kirby, whatever his name is,
- 13:54the guy that cheap shot injured him. So that could be an interesting storyline
- 13:58to fill early mid season for sure. So he's obviously the number one tight
- 14:03end when he's back and when he's healthy. After that, you've got Oliver
- 14:09Munt and Mews and then Tanyan and then you've got a couple of were these
- 14:16guys unsigned? Trey Knox and Sammy's Reyes? So I might be wrong on
- 14:22this. I think Trey Knox was a UDFA from just a few weeks ago
- 14:26from the draft, and then Samus Sammy however you say his name, I'm
- 14:31so sorry Reyes. He's been in the league one or two years, but
- 14:35I don't know that he's ever made a roster So those guys are probably you're
- 14:39looking at practice squad or if they can impress in the preseason and training camp,
- 14:46they might be a fringe guy to knock off, probably muse for a
- 14:50roster spot. But yeah, I think it's going to be to start off
- 14:54the season, you're tight end one. You're looking at Oliver and then Mund
- 14:58and then either mus or Tonyan if they keep three. Yeah, and that's
- 15:03interesting. I think a signing like that, especially with his NFC North reputation
- 15:13that precedes him, that's kind of a splash for the Vikings to pick up
- 15:18a guy like that. A little bit. He kind of reminds me a
- 15:20little bit because last week we talked about free agents that are out there that
- 15:24the Vikings could probably sign for a smart choice. We talked about Hunter Renfro,
- 15:30who had a decent season in twenty twenty one as a wide receiver,
- 15:33but then he's kind of not really shown up ever since then, but he
- 15:37would still be kind of a flashy signing at this point in the year.
- 15:41Tonyan kind of to me speaks a little bit to a tight end version of
- 15:46what a Renfro signing could be. He had a flashy season in twenty twenty
- 15:52and hasn't really done much ever since much to speak about, but obviously there's
- 15:56something there, So yeah, it could be, you know, a nice
- 16:00interesting signing. He might catch a few touchdowns, or maybe this is the
- 16:04last time we ever talk about him. You never know, Like it's that's
- 16:07kind of where it is at this point for sure. So definitely an interesting
- 16:12acquisition for the Vikings and could pay some big dividends, especially with Hawkinson out
- 16:18for the early part of the season, and you know, I think those
- 16:22four Oliver Munt, Muse and Tunyan are fighting for those roster spots for sure.
- 16:29And honestly, even with Hawkinson out, like you just said, I
- 16:30think the tight end room is in a good spot. Like obviously with Hockinson,
- 16:37who you might get some pushbacks, but you could argue is in the
- 16:40upper echelon eliteness of tight ends in the NFL right now when healthy, But
- 16:45even without a Hockinson, a room with Oliver Munt and then Muser Tunyan is
- 16:49a good tight end room. Like that's one that you you're not you know,
- 16:52you're just probably not getting a pro bowler out of there, but you're
- 16:56You're okay with that room heading into the season, Yeah, for sure.
- 17:00And what's hard to quantify is like they're blocking success. I know that there
- 17:07are some advanced stats out there, and we don't necessarily have access to those,
- 17:11so we don't pay those subscriptions to get the cool things. Some people
- 17:14will get the big Voice sponsors and Big Tap will still be around for us.
- 17:19But yeah, someday we'll get the big ones and be able to spend
- 17:23frivolously on those licenses. But I think that will be an important feature of
- 17:32that tight end position is they can they run block We need a rushing game
- 17:37desperately and importantly to that point, Josh Oliver, that's what he's known for
- 17:42his being one of the upper echelon blockers in the tight end realm. So
- 17:49I'm okay, I'm not freaking out about the tight end room yet. Even
- 17:53if Hockinson were to miss eight games, you know you don't like that because
- 17:57that's a good chunk of his prime I'm NFL playing career. But yeah,
- 18:03it's almost like, let him, let him sit, let him be healthy.
- 18:07This room can patch it over until he gets back. You have an
- 18:10interesting little note. I knew you'd like that that Week seven, Yeah,
- 18:17so be the best potential place for JJ McCarthy to make his first NFL start.
- 18:23Yeah. So, in the Vikings world, we've kind of transitioned from
- 18:27this quarterback talking point. At first, it was, man, Kirk is
- 18:33playing like a fringe MVP player, like this is awesome. We might do
- 18:36something and then Achilles and then man, he might not. They'd got to
- 18:41resign him right like they might draft a guy, but they gotta sign Kirk
- 18:45and then he signs with the Falcons, and then it was full force.
- 18:48Okay, we've got Sam Donald as a bridge, but then they have to
- 18:52trade the farm to get up to three to get Drake may or JJ McCarthy.
- 18:56And that was the talking point for a while until of course, the
- 18:59draft, and here it comes JJ. And now I think the talking point
- 19:03is when does JJ start? Because I think it's understood JJ probably he's not
- 19:07QB one right now, and I don't think he should be, and I
- 19:11think we both have our own opinions on when he should start and when he
- 19:14could start. I think you let Sam Donald ride until, not only Sam
- 19:18Donald, not just when he loses the job, because if Sam Donald loses
- 19:22the job before JJ is ready, then you gotta throw Nick Mullins or whoever
- 19:29else is in there as a patchwork QB. But I think JJ shouldn't start
- 19:33until he's ready. But one nice little built in spot in the season is
- 19:40after week five, you know, the London game. After that, you
- 19:42get your bye in week six. It's early enough. Maybe the sky hasn't
- 19:48started falling yet on the season. But if Sam Donald hasn't proven to be
- 19:52good enough to keep the job, and if JJ has proven to be good
- 19:57enough to get an opportunity, I think that Week seven game after the bye
- 20:02is a built in perfect, not too early but early enough spot for jjd
- 20:07get his first start. And it's all the better if TJ. Hogginson is
- 20:11healthy and ready to go that game. So that could be a fun week
- 20:15Against the Lions that week, I'm gonna make a hot take, and anytime
- 20:18I make a hot take, I'm excited. Usually crashes in burns. You're
- 20:22gonna hit sometime, right, It's all right, I don't care. I
- 20:26got nothing to lose. You can rip me apart in the comments, you
- 20:29won't offend me. I think JJ should start week one, and if he's
- 20:33in that camp, if he's ready, if he wins the job, absolutely,
- 20:37I don't want him to start until he wins the job. That's my
- 20:41stance. And if that's week one, awesome, I'm gonna trust the coaches
- 20:45to think, Okay, he's won the job. I'm confident enough to say
- 20:48that he'll be ready once training camp is over. The preseason will tell us
- 20:55a lot. I think we're gonna see this will be an interesting preseason for
- 20:57Vikings quarterback. Who, Yeah, because we haven't. We haven't seen the
- 21:03starter play much. If anything, M Kirk hasn't really played in a preseason
- 21:07game and he hasn't needed to. He isn't needed to. But I mean
- 21:10we're just not We're used to those preseason games being proving grounds for second and
- 21:15third string quarterbacks. That's what they are, like, all right, go
- 21:18out and win the second string job, or go out and win that third
- 21:22string job, or ope, you're not good enough, We're gonna put you
- 21:25on the practice squad, or nope, sorry you're cut. You're done.
- 21:27And every position's backup or the number two at that position is extremely important.
- 21:33I think we saw it firsthand that QB two is a very important position.
- 21:38We saw it last year when Kirk went down, So for sure, Yeah,
- 21:42I think I think we can both agree that we want JJ to start
- 21:48early and as early as possible. I think I'm just willing to let this
- 21:52season be a fun one to not care much about if they don't win a
- 21:56ton of games, and just to watch the progression for hopefully JJ to flourish
- 22:02into a good quarterback without having to be thrown to the wolves way too early.
- 22:06Yeah, and that's kind of why I think he should start Week one.
- 22:11I think that matchup is actually really interesting because it's on the road at
- 22:17New York, which New York hasn't been great. Yeah, but we said
- 22:21the same thing about the Buccaneers last year. True, but you've got Daniel
- 22:26Jones who just signed this big contract, and I mean, to some extent,
- 22:30I think he's kind of the like, this will sound terrible, but
- 22:37he's kind of the laughing stock of the league. I think because he's getting
- 22:41paid a lot and he really hasn't proven that he's worth that much. And
- 22:45so I think JJ's got nothing to lose if he's the starter, and I
- 22:48don't think Kevin O'Connell or Quacy have anything to lose either by throwing him in
- 22:52there game one and just saying all right, go out and let's see what
- 22:56happens. The tough part is coming home and playing the Niners and playing the
- 23:00Texans in Week two and three. Those are gonna be tough games. And
- 23:03then to turn around and go play on the road at Green Bay that's tough
- 23:07as well. Before you take an international road trip to London to play the
- 23:12Jets and Aaron Rodgers. Presumably he's healthy. Yeah, yeah, he might
- 23:18play another four plays and then get injured against tweet that said Aaron Rodgers,
- 23:22Achilles has the chance to do the funniest thing ever by snapping again four plays
- 23:30into the season. On I think it's primetime. I think they have a
- 23:33primetime game week one. Yeah, it's the second year in a row they
- 23:36open up Monday night football. Yeah, and they have six primetime games in
- 23:38the first eleven weeks of the season, and the Vikings have two primetime games.
- 23:41I think that counts the London game, which is at eight thirty in
- 23:45the morning. Drinking my coffee. Yeah, I think we can both agree
- 23:52we want JJ to start sooner rather than later. Yeah, it's just I'm
- 23:56gonna throw my own caveat is. Just don't ruin him. Don't Christian ponder
- 24:03him by throwing him out before he's ready. If you think he can be
- 24:07good, you'll let him cook. And if he never wins the job,
- 24:10at some point you gotta throw him out just to see what happens. But
- 24:14yeah, I don't know, there's never gonna I don't think there's ever gonna
- 24:18be a perfect time this week seven to me, seems like a good opportunity.
- 24:22But again, if he pulls a Russell Wilson and wins the job in
- 24:25training camp, awesome. What if he pulls a CJ. Stroud and leads
- 24:30his team to the playoffs? Anybody would be asked Texans fans right now if
- 24:33they're mad that CJ. Stroud started right away and turned out to be really,
- 24:37really really good like that guy, especially after what they went through with
- 24:41Deshaun Watson and all that fun stuff. But yeah, it's gonna be fun.
- 24:48It's gonna be fun to see how that develops, and it's gonna be
- 24:51a really interesting pick them when we get to that too. That's given the
- 24:56fact that we don't know what's gonna happen at the quarterback position, and that's
- 25:00that's kind of a big deal. I'll I'll give a little sneak peek for
- 25:03our pickum episode, which maybe next week or four weeks from now, whenever
- 25:07we do our you know, coin flip and season prediction on game by game
- 25:11who wins what I'm very I'm probably a lot higher on what I think the
- 25:18Vikings can do than a lot of other people in Vikings fan hood. Right
- 25:22now, I think I think they can do some stuff. You're right,
- 25:26You're right in the wave of optimism. I'm I'm optimistic. And it's the
- 25:30same Austin picked the games last year. No, not the same one.
- 25:36But I really think, and I'm still going to try to keep this as
- 25:38a sneak peak. I really think they are better at most positions, and
- 25:45then there's question marks at other positions. I don't think they got drastically worse.
- 25:51I don't think you can prove that the Vikings got drastically worse at any
- 25:55position from last year to this coming year. And obviously quarterback is the first
- 26:00one that you talk about, because we just don't know. JJ yep,
- 26:04I agree, well, speaking of positions and position groups, Yes, specifically,
- 26:10there's a pretty good article written by friend of the show, Dustin Baker.
- 26:14Yeah, so we like this a lot. Dustin keep writing stuff so
- 26:17that we can keep crediting you with whole segments of our podcast, so that
- 26:21we can talk about your articles well, and they just they give us great
- 26:25stuff to talk about. So obviously we're big fans of Vikings Territory, So
- 26:30if you haven't checked them out yet, head over to Vikings Territory dot com.
- 26:33That's not a sponsor, that's just something you should do because if you're
- 26:37a Vikings fan, it's good stuff. It's good content, and we read
- 26:41that stuff regularly. That's just kind of part of our daily and weekly intake
- 26:48of Vikings information, and it's turned out to be really good fodder for conversation
- 26:53on the show. Absolutely. So all that to say, we've got this
- 27:00article entitled three worst parts of the Vikings Roster. Currently we're kind of moving
- 27:07into this this next season. Yeah, and so he's Dustin has outlined three
- 27:12different position groups and I think if I remember right, this kind of made
- 27:19me laugh in kind of the let me see if I can find it quick?
- 27:25Where was it there? It is kind of like the preview before you
- 27:29click on the article. The subtitle is if you're looking for mushy spots on
- 27:36the Vikings roster, these are those I can hear Dustin saying that if you're
- 27:40looking for like I can hear him use those words. But yeah, that
- 27:42makes sense. So he's looking at the weakest spots where the Vikings could use
- 27:51a lot of help. And this kind of ties in a little bit with
- 27:53the article we talked about last week where it was free agents the Vikings could
- 27:57sign to patch up some wee spots. So this one is really just looking
- 28:00at what are the weak spots. He identifies three. What's the first one
- 28:06he talks about? Also, they're in order of least week to most week,
- 28:10I think is what he says. So what's the first one he lists
- 28:12out? So the first one he lists out is the wide receiver group,
- 28:15actually, which might seem surprising because we have arguably the best wide receiver in
- 28:22the league. I don't think it's an argument. I think he is the
- 28:25best. And then you had a really a guy with an amazing rookie year
- 28:30that gets overshadowed because his name's not Justin Jefferson. Addison had nine hundred plus
- 28:34yards as a rookie and a handful of touchdowns, and half of that season
- 28:38was without a pro Bowl level quarterback and without JJ, and he kind of
- 28:44was the wide receiver one for he carried the load for a while while JJ
- 28:48was out too. So you've got a great one and two in the wide
- 28:52receiver room. That number three position, I think is a really mushy spot
- 28:57on the roster. To borrow the term from Dust and we talked about it
- 29:02a little bit last week, like, well, maybe Hunter Renfro could be
- 29:04a good free agent signing. You know he's still available. You've got Michael
- 29:10Thomas listed here. Yeah, he's got to be getting old. I think
- 29:12Michael Thomas is almost to the point that he's it would be by name alone
- 29:18if he gets signed anywhere else. But Renfro and Thomas are guys that Dustin
- 29:22specifically names in this article. Please go read that article. It's a really
- 29:26good one. I'm not that old. Actually he's only thirty, but he's
- 29:30had some injury stuff and enough injury stuff that I don't think he's the same
- 29:33player he was at his peak. And that's Michael Thomas, of course.
- 29:37But either way, I think he would still be a better option than like
- 29:41an undrafted free agent right now. But yeah, after JJ and after Jordan
- 29:48Addison, especially with TJ. Hockinson down, you don't have a ton of
- 29:52good receiving threats. So yeah, if they can shut down JJ and one
- 30:00on one and get good and shut down Addison, the Vikings don't have a
- 30:03lot of guys to throw to, which is not something you like to hear
- 30:07when you're talking about a journeyman quarterback. Coming in and trying to ultimately talk
- 30:12about a rookie quarterback coming in and showing that he can develop and be good
- 30:18with no weapons really, which is crazy to say no weapons when JJ is
- 30:22on the field, But yeah, that's a scary spot right now. I
- 30:26will say. I read another article from today or yesterday, is recently from
- 30:33and I'm gonna butcher his name. I've never heard it spoken out loud Will
- 30:37Raggets. I've said his name on the podcast he writes for Sports Illustrated.
- 30:41He had an article where he pointed out the guaranteed money given to all of
- 30:47the Vikings undrafted free agents, which I didn't know that the UDFA contracts.
- 30:52It's like the same contract given to every guy. It's just teams have some
- 30:57leeway on how much guarantee tees they can give to a guy to entice them
- 31:03to sign with them. So it's like a three year just shy of two
- 31:07million or just shy of three million deal, and then teams can decide to
- 31:12give more or less guaranteed moneies. But one of the guys this year undrafted
- 31:18free agents, Joshan Jones, who had never heard of apparently the Vikings gave
- 31:23him two hundred and thirty five thousand dollars in guarantees for his rookie undrafted free
- 31:29agent contract. So maybe they like what they see and maybe he could be
- 31:32a dark horse guy to come in and compete with Brandon Powell for that wide
- 31:36receiver three job. I don't know anything about him, even where he went
- 31:40to school, But if the Vikings wanted him that bad to give him that
- 31:44much guaranteed money, he's a terrapin. He's from Maryland, Okay. Hey,
- 31:48Well, the last Maryland receiver for the Vikings to join the team post
- 31:55round four of the draft turned out pretty good until he wasn't pretty good nets
- 32:00of course, Stefan Da till he was a drama queen. Yeah, but
- 32:02we got the miracle from him. So some quick hitting stats on Jones.
- 32:07He played forty eight games between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty three for Maryland,
- 32:13one hundred and fifty one receptions, two thousand and forty yards, fourteen touchdowns.
- 32:17He led Maryland with single season career highs and receptions, receiving yards,
- 32:22and yards per game in twenty twenty three, and he ranked fifth in the
- 32:27Big Ten in each of those three categories. All right, So there you
- 32:30go. So a guy to potentially keep an eye out for in OTAs and
- 32:35training camp, just to see one. If he makes a team two maybe
- 32:37he makes an impact. The next position. Dustin laid out as a one
- 32:45of the worst and this is worse than the wide receivers, even's interior offensive
- 32:50line, and I personally kind of disagree with this a little bit. So
- 32:54he means the starters on the inside of the line, the left guard,
- 32:58the center, and the right guard. Of course, right now, left
- 33:01guard is Blake Brandell, center is Garrett Bradbury, and right guard is ed
- 33:06Ingram. What are your thoughts on those guys? Right off the bat,
- 33:10I like the second two. As long as ed Ingram doesn't step on the
- 33:15quarterback's feet, I think we're good. I think he's a great guy to
- 33:21have there. And Bradbury's just proven to be really steady and when he's not
- 33:24in the game, it's noticeable. Oh yeah, and I forget who who
- 33:29filled in from Schlowman, Austin Schloatman, who is now I don't know where
- 33:34he signed somewhere else. I think the Patriots. I'm probably wrong on that,
- 33:37but he's either way, well all that all that to say, Schlowman
- 33:40wasn't bad. It was just noticeable that Bradbury wasn't in the game. And
- 33:47Kirk when when Bradbury wasn't in the game, seemed lost, seems yeh like
- 33:52he didn't And there's chemistry there. So hopefully Bradbury can develop that chemistry with
- 33:58Darnold or McCarthy, who whoever he's snapping the ball to, whoever's touching his
- 34:02butt on a regular basis. All right, now there's only two centers on
- 34:07the roster. You've got Bradbury and then Dan Feeney who's added as a free
- 34:13agent. Dan Feenie his mustaches, Yeah, interesting, dude's interesting. Looking
- 34:22at his picture right now, Maybe we make that the like the thumbnail for
- 34:24this episode. I'll see what I can do with ed Ingram. I think
- 34:32after it kind of correlated with Dalton Reisner. Starting last season in twenty three,
- 34:37ed Ingram really kind of started to turn it around and you stopped blaming
- 34:43him for bad plays. He started to become less noticeable, which as an
- 34:47offensive lineman, that's a good thing. That means you're not ruining plays.
- 34:51So to me, ed Ingram seemed to turn it around. And start to
- 34:54be good. In Dustin's article, he does kind of mention when you draft
- 35:00an interior offensive lineman in the first or second round, which ed Ingram was
- 35:05a second rounder, those guys should be really good, because that's pretty high
- 35:09to draft a guy like that, especially not a center. So look for
- 35:15ed Ingram to potentially take a leap, which he should, especially when you
- 35:20have a continuity in coaching staff like we do for the first time in a
- 35:23long time, Gett Bradbury. I was concerned for a while. You can
- 35:28go back and listen to earlier episodes. He had a back injury that kind
- 35:30of derilled two seasons ago for him, and I was concerned that that back
- 35:35injury was essentially a career killer for him, and he missed a game or
- 35:38two in twenty three, I think because of a back ish injury, and
- 35:44I thought, man, we might never see him again. And then he
- 35:46only missed a game or two when he came back, and we never heard
- 35:50a negative thing about him the rest of the year. I think the knox
- 35:53On brad Burrier that he's slightly smaller than your average center, so he might
- 35:59get pushed around a little bit, which we did see early in his career,
- 36:01but I think after he's gotten over these injury concerns, he doesn't get
- 36:07pushed around as blatantly as he used to. So I'm a Bradbury fan,
- 36:10I'm an Ingram fan. And then Brandell, we've only ever seen him come
- 36:15in in relief, so we don't know too much about him, and I
- 36:19think this position group becomes not mushy at all and quite solidified. Actually,
- 36:27if they just signed Dalton Reisner, yeah, or for the right price.
- 36:31But if they signed Dalton Reisner or somebody or somebody like him, but I
- 36:36don't know. I'm still, like I admitted this last week, I'm very
- 36:38much like I'm attached to the guys, the players, and I have a
- 36:45hard time just watching guys go like it. It was kind of emotional when
- 36:49Kirk Cousins left, Like, spent six good years with Kirk Cousins under center
- 36:53for the Vikings and that that is kind of a meaningful thing. And so
- 37:00to watch him, you know, leave in free agency and everything that's happened
- 37:06since then has been kind of interesting as well. But anyways, Don Reisner,
- 37:09like man, the line seemed to do really well once Riisner started coming
- 37:14in yeah, and he's just he's his His locker room interviews were great.
- 37:19The energy he had on the sideline was great, The energy he had on
- 37:22the field was great. I know, he got a comment he kind of
- 37:25got ripped apart a little bit in a comment that would be a bad GM
- 37:30and it's not about sappiness, and yeah, yeah, yeah, well whatever,
- 37:35I don't care. That's fine, that's all good and dandy. But
- 37:37yeah, there was one comment though, there was a different comment that was
- 37:43like he only has the leg kick and that's it or something like that.
- 37:45His only highlight was the leg kick. I mean, I think somebody pointed
- 37:49out, but he was like forty first of all guards in the NFL,
- 37:52which I mean, that's as good as any starter. That's like middle pack
- 37:59of any you pointed out last week, I think is he's not as strong
- 38:04of a run blocker, but the line seemed to turn things around once he
- 38:09became a starter. And then here Ezra Cleveland goes and gets a pretty decent
- 38:15contract from from the Jaguars, and I didn't I admittedly didn't follow Cleveland and
- 38:22see how he did for the Jaguars after he was traded, So I don't
- 38:25know obviously well enough to earn a multi year, tens of million dollar contract,
- 38:30so good for him. But yeah, I'd like to see a Riisner
- 38:35signing or a signing of somebody who at least can come in and start,
- 38:38Like last week we talked about Greg Van Rotin. There's there's got to be
- 38:44somebody out there that can step in for a year. You're not looking for
- 38:47a ten year guy at this point. But and they drafted a couple of
- 38:51guys. I think the guys they drafted were there's a center and then a
- 38:55tackle, so not necessarily a guard because but maybe they're looking for those young
- 39:01guys to come in and earn a spot on the team somewhere. But I
- 39:07think correct me if I'm wrong. I think you would agree with me in
- 39:09saying I'm less concerned about the interior offensive line than i am about the wide
- 39:15receiver three and beyond position. Yeah, I would agree. I think if
- 39:20I were rewriting the article, which Dustin has his reasons, Yeah, we
- 39:23can respect those, I would maybe flip flap the two. I think I
- 39:27would put the interior offensive line as third most mushy, and then the wide
- 39:31receiver three position as the second most mushy. I'd agree. We can call
- 39:37Dustin out on that next time he's on just a handful of weeks. I
- 39:39think we've got him coming up. But I definitely agree with his number one
- 39:43most mushy position, absolutely, and that's the defensive tackle position. So right
- 39:49now the room consists of Before you say it, I didn't include every name
- 39:55on the list of defensive tackles, but I wrote down at least the names
- 40:00that probably matter at this point, so keep going. Sorry. Yeah,
- 40:04so the big names are Harrison Phillips, of course, who's another. I
- 40:10just think a wonderful acquisition from the Bills a few seasons ago. He just
- 40:15he's a Viking through and through, and I hope the guy retires in Purple.
- 40:22That'd be fun to fun to see. Oh yeah, Jerry Jerry Tillery
- 40:25was an off season free agent acquisition. Yeah, he feels like a by
- 40:30low guy for Casey A dopamenso former first round pick has never really seemed to
- 40:38become what you think a first round pick should become. But there's something there
- 40:43and he's not too old, so he could. He and Sam Darnold could
- 40:46be looking at similar roles this year in trying to revive some things in their
- 40:52careers. And then you have Jonathan Bullard and correct me if I'm wrong,
- 40:54but he's kind of bounced between like the edge and the intier year, has
- 41:00he not? Yeah, so have been He's played both. Yeah, And
- 41:02I think we both have a little confusion on what is a defensive tackle in
- 41:07the three four defense, especially the way the Vikings roster has kind of transitioned
- 41:13from four to three to three four. So I'm not I'm not too sure.
- 41:17I think in the three four the defensive tackle is the big dude in
- 41:22the middle and you really only have one on a given play. But then
- 41:25yeah, then you get those defensive ends who in a three four pretty much
- 41:30looks like an outside linebacker, but in a four to three is the hand
- 41:35and the dirt on the line. Yeah, defensive I'm just used to the
- 41:38Williams Wall. Two guys, two guys on the outside, you know,
- 41:44Jared Allen just flying out of the out of nowhere, yep, going after
- 41:49the quarterback, and that that's what I'm used to. So the three four
- 41:52has definitely been a little bit of an adjustment, and to be fair,
- 41:55Brian Flores doesn't even necessary really conformed to are you breaking stuff. I don't
- 42:01know. Something I put my arm down and something sounded weird. It'd be
- 42:05interesting to see what that sounds like on the recording. But yeah, I'm
- 42:08just not gonna put my arm down there anymore. And now now I'm nervous
- 42:13about leaning my arm. We're good. I tested it all right. What
- 42:17I was saying though, was Brian Flores. He keeps you on your toes
- 42:22and like he'll throw everybody on the line. He'll bring Harrison Smith up and
- 42:29fill the a gap for a second and then back them all off and you
- 42:32get Josh Mattelis, who literally at some points has played every position on the
- 42:37defense. The Swiss Army knife. Yeah, it's been all over the place.
- 42:39So, I mean, I don't know. It's tough to really define.
- 42:45It's tough to put a true like four three three four, you know,
- 42:49because it's it's so variable, it changes, and I mean that's I
- 42:54think the beauty of a defensive coordinator like Brian Flores is you're always keeping the
- 43:00offense. You're always keeping the opposing quarterback on their toes, trying to figure
- 43:04out what they're looking at, what's going on, who's coming at me,
- 43:07who's not how many guys are in the box? How many aren't you know?
- 43:10How many guys do we need to account for in blocks? How many
- 43:15are going to drop back and coverage like that? That's the beauty of the
- 43:17system. So anyways, all of that to say, Yeah, Jonathan Bullard,
- 43:24he's he's kind of a wild card. He could be inside. I
- 43:28feel like he's played outside though. Yeah. And then James Lynch was a
- 43:31big resign. Yeah big, he's a recent resigning. They had cut him
- 43:36and signed somebody else recently and then resigned him in the last I don't know,
- 43:39a week or so. He's been with a team for a little while,
- 43:43but never a big splash guy. But maybe he maybe he comes in
- 43:47and does something. I'm not too sure. I think I've kind of forgotten
- 43:52about jacquill and Roy, a draft pick from last season. You never know
- 43:58what guys do after being in the bing for a full year in the system
- 44:02with a very highly touted defensive coordinator. Maybe he comes in and maybe he's
- 44:08a way different guy than he was last year. He never really got on
- 44:10the field last year. That's Jacqulaim Jacquelin Roy. So maybe he he carves
- 44:15out a nice role for himself in the defense. And then I think the
- 44:22Vikings media team loved to hype up seventh round pick Levi Drake Rodriguez, who
- 44:30I've never heard of, but I've seen all the videos now and his interviews.
- 44:34He looks like the happiest person in the world to be a Viking,
- 44:38and I freaking love that. The draft room videos which the Vikings posted up
- 44:45a really cool one of all the phone calls and all the conversations. You
- 44:47know, not every detail, but some draft day details for the war room,
- 44:55and then the phone calls and the Levi Drake Rodriguez stuff was pretty cool
- 44:59because he, again it is the most excited in the world, and Quacy
- 45:02seemed very excited to be able to still get that guy and not have to
- 45:07compete and undrafted, free agency or somebody else draft him before they could.
- 45:10So you never know. There's some names that could do something. But I
- 45:15agree with Dustin here, it's probably the biggest obvious weakness at this point in
- 45:20the season above the offensive line or wide receiver. Threes agreed, and I
- 45:28mean Harrison Phillips is a stalwart. I think I think he's going to be
- 45:32the most consistent and probably the bona fide starter at this point, barring anything
- 45:39unforeseen like injury, Jerry Tillery remains to be kind of seen how he fits,
- 45:46and of course, the defense as a whole, like we just finished
- 45:50saying, kind of is in flux, and it's going to be interesting to
- 45:54see with some of these new acquisitions how Floraes puts him to work. And
- 46:00I don't know, there's a lot of interesting things that will develop, especially
- 46:07during training camp in those early preseason games. I think with these positions absolutely,
- 46:13and I kind of joked about it a little bit earlier, but I
- 46:15think I don't see any big changes to these positions or really the roster as
- 46:20a whole between now in the next few weeks. And like I said,
- 46:24Dustin Baker is going to be on in the next few weeks, so we
- 46:27should definitely bring this up to him in this specific article and see what his
- 46:30more longer thought out process of these decisions and why he ranked them where he
- 46:37did. But until then, definitely go again, please go check out that
- 46:42article. It's really good, doesn't take very long to read, and even
- 46:46if you disagree, you'll see what Dustin's saying and why he's ranking these positions
- 46:52the way he does. So yeah, yeah, good stuff from Viking's territory.
- 46:58So make sure you head over there and check that out. We've got
- 47:00something special here, and you're gonna kind of lead the charge on this because
- 47:06I'm unavailable. Yeah yeah, so we might have some crossover fans. There's
- 47:12definitely more fans of of You Betcha than there probably are of the Skull Hob
- 47:19at this point. But if you do follow You Betcha and all of their
- 47:23stuff. They have a subsidiary podcasts from You Betcha Radio. It's called the
- 47:30Double Bogie Show. There's a couple of guys there that talk about golf and
- 47:34and they all seem to be or a lot of them seem to be Vikings
- 47:37fans. So we've got a really cool interview coming up here that actually we
- 47:43haven't recorded yet. I'm gonna do it tomorrow, but I'm gonna talk with
- 47:45Tyler and Jared I think, from from the You Betcha crew about the Vikings.
- 47:52So that's coming up for you guys here in just a few seconds,
- 47:55probably for us tomorrow. But I'm really excited about this. I'm a big
- 48:00fan of You bet You Evan, I know you've seen some of their stuff
- 48:02too, but yeah, this should be a lot of fun. I'm looking
- 48:07forward to it. Yeah, well I wish I could be there. Yeah,
- 48:10maybe next time. Maybe maybe it'll be so much fun that they'll want
- 48:13to come on and talk to us all the time. And probably not,
- 48:16but you never know, don't screw it up, right, No pressure,
- 48:20no pressure whatsoever. So if you guys are listening to this right now,
- 48:22I'm very excited, not nervous at all, because I don't really get nervous.
- 48:25I'm tough like that, you know, I'm mister your macho. Now
- 48:29I'm a little nervous, but it'll be fun and I'm really looing forward to
- 48:32well school, to having fun with some fellow Vikings fans. Yep. After
- 48:37that we will come back and we'll give our final thoughts and opinions on the
- 48:40control alt beer or however you want to say it, because it's not spell
- 48:45b e R it's a German thing. Yeah, I like it. So
- 48:50that's coming up a little bit later school. All right, welcome in skull
- 48:53hoppers. We gave already gave you a little bit of an intro, but
- 49:00we're here now now that I've got Tyler and Jared here. You know them
- 49:02from you Bet you do, you Bet your radio, breakfast Ball, the
- 49:07Double Bogie Show, all that fun stuff, and we'll give them a chance
- 49:10to talk about that here towards the end. But welcome in, guys,
- 49:15thanks for coming on, Thanks for having us. Austin. Absolutely, I
- 49:19was super stoked when you guys said you'd be interested in coming on. I
- 49:22listen to you guys all the time, and obviously from listening to you your
- 49:27Vikings fans, you can tell. But you don't really get to talk about
- 49:30the Vikings too much. Usually it's just Tyler complaining about the team, which
- 49:36I I feel you there. Every time we try to talk about the Vikings,
- 49:39we get shut down everyone. No one wants to hear it. As
- 49:44much information as possible in thirty seconds before Ryan or Miles starts barking at me,
- 49:49you know what, fight back at him, just tell them, you
- 49:51know what, Sit down, guys, this is my Vikings corner and we're
- 49:53gonna we're gonna fant for a little bit. We should pitch that, Jared,
- 49:57we should give we should get a Vikings corner one some month in the
- 50:00fall. They give it five minutes to just get whatever we want out,
- 50:05and you're already sitting in the corner, So why not making Vikings perfect?
- 50:07There you go? There you go. Then do you have a little skull
- 50:09hot flag that you can you can put in some some plug there, a
- 50:14little bit you don't even have to say about it. Just give you one
- 50:16of those. I'll put it up in the Breakfast Ball studio somewhere. We'll
- 50:21see what we can do. Okay, all right, Well, here's your
- 50:24chance, you guys get to rant about the Vikings. We're all die hard
- 50:29fans, but there's a lot of complaining that we can do. So let's
- 50:31let's air that out right here. First off, for both of you guys,
- 50:36how do you guys become Vikings fans? Is it a super cool story?
- 50:39Is it really boring? What is it? How are you Vikings fans?
- 50:42You go ahead, Jared, just through my folks pretty much. My
- 50:45first memories is just watching Vikings with my dad, brother, mom and kind
- 50:51of just they I just kind of got into it that way, just through
- 50:54my phone. Yeah, that's awesome. That's the purest kind of fan right
- 51:00there. Just know nothing else sort of similar except my dad was trying to
- 51:06force me to be a Vikings fan. But I was one of those kids
- 51:09that would just kind of do the opposite of what they were told. So
- 51:13I didn't. I didn't become a Packers fan. I took it so far
- 51:15as I just don't like football because you're trying to force me into this so
- 51:20much. And then I started playing football and I really loved it, and
- 51:23I was like, well, I have to be a Vikings fan or I'll
- 51:25get kicked out of So decide, like, what, what's the first year
- 51:31that you remember? Okay, I'm a Vikings fan now, and I remembering
- 51:37the first year. I remember actually caring m and like being devastated when inevitably
- 51:45the season was over. Was the ap rushing record year? Oh? Okay?
- 51:51Oh seven? Yep? Yeah, his single game record or the MVP
- 51:58year the single game okay, okay? It would have been his rookie season,
- 52:01correct, Yes, yep, yeah, yeah. I would have been
- 52:06in six or seventh grade right when I started playing football, so that makes
- 52:07sense. That's the perfect time to really start liking a sports team. Also,
- 52:13it's terrible because when you're a kid, you don't know how heartbroken you're
- 52:15going to get for the rest of you. Well, and I was spoiled.
- 52:22I was spoiled with AP. I just thought that all were going to
- 52:24be that good. Right, we have been spoiled as Vikings fans since then.
- 52:30Game like not until Dalton left. Last year was really the first time
- 52:34we had like, oh this is what we did have the Toby Gerhart year.
- 52:39Yeah, he was never really the starter was he was always right behind
- 52:44ap Well it was him. So the year after ap left, it was
- 52:47like a running back by committee with Gerhart and Siata and who else. That
- 52:54dude just scored touchdowns he was giving to him on the one I do.
- 53:01Look, Gar was on that team. I'm pretty sure he was, because
- 53:05then he went to the He started for Jacksonville the next year, right,
- 53:08Yeah, it was a Jack McKinnon before he left for San Francisco potentially.
- 53:15Yeah. I like, we're sitting at a bar right now, we're just
- 53:20like he played, just naming old players. We we literally did that last
- 53:25week on the Schoolhop with Jimmy Klein Saucer. We had an old segment talking
- 53:30about Jim clein Saucer. It was awesome, awesome Jim Clein Saucer story for
- 53:36you. So my dad played football at U and D he had me super
- 53:38young. So my dad was a freshman in college when I was born,
- 53:44and him and Jimmy played together and no friend. So my dad was an
- 53:47outside linebacker and Jimmy is a tight end. They were going against each other
- 53:51in drills all the time. So Jimmy, Yeah, Jimmy was at my
- 53:57baptism when I was like one or two. I don't remember how old I
- 54:00was, obviously, but they became friends in college, and then Jimmy Clinsauser
- 54:04was out the baptism, so so outside that, man, what's that?
- 54:09Have you ever met Cline Saucer or was outside of that? That was it?
- 54:13No, they buddies in college, and then my dad obviously didn't go
- 54:17pro, so they kind of lost. I don't know, I've only ever
- 54:22heard awesome things about Client soficer and how it's like a total normal dude.
- 54:27So that's really cool, all right, So what are you guys's favorite Vikings
- 54:32memories? You have any big highlights that stand out, even if it's just
- 54:36so I jumped around in the Minneapolis Miracle, Like, what, what's your
- 54:38favorite memory? I mean, that's for me, that's it. I mean
- 54:42Yeah, it's I was living in my college house. Every single there was
- 54:45five of us, and every single one of us was die hard and we're
- 54:50jumping and hugging and there were tears. But I know that's the basic answer,
- 54:54so I did prepare like a second answer for you. Oh, okay,
- 54:59first year the band open, what was that? Twenty sixteen? Yeard
- 55:01twenty sixteen? My dad bought us tickets, Me, my buddy and my
- 55:07dad, and we are three inches from the ceiling of the US Bank Stadium.
- 55:14We were way the hell up there, and it was a kickoff and
- 55:17while the ball is in the air, my dad goes, Cordero is going
- 55:22to run this back the Cardinals, and he ran it back and I had
- 55:27two bumps from the prediction. The crowd was going absolutely nuts, and you
- 55:30could see everything develop from that high up. It was just a super cool
- 55:34moment. So that was fun. Yeah, yeah, US think's really good
- 55:38for those those viewing angles. There's really not a bad seat in the house.
- 55:42Yeah, that's the cliche phrase, but it's true. Yeah, all
- 55:46right, Jared, what's your favorite memory? I think it was been I
- 55:50think the two thousand and four wild card game against the Packers, Okay,
- 55:54that was the game. Yep, that was yep. That was the Moss
- 56:00in the crowd game. Yeah. Oh yeah. And then during that year,
- 56:04the Vikings lost the Packers twice I think, yeah, we're thirty one.
- 56:07They both lost, and then they went to Lambo and beat him in
- 56:09the playoffs. Oh yeah, that was the year. Yeah, because they
- 56:14played the Packers like the last game of the season and then also in the
- 56:19wild card round the next week, So it was that seems to happen a
- 56:22little bit more. Yeah, now because that happened, that happened in twenty
- 56:25twelve. We had to win against the Packers with Ponder and then Ponder crushed
- 56:30his hand and we started Joe webbing the ice Bowl. Yeah, do you
- 56:34remember that game? The first drive, Joe Webb looked like he was gonna
- 56:37rush the team victory, and then they stopped letting him rush around and they
- 56:43just it was embarrassing. It was It's like they always scheduled like three Joe
- 56:45Webb plays and then just abandoned them. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 56:53that's crazy. It's funny because the Minneapolis Miracle game, Uh, my second
- 56:59daughter had been born like two or three weeks before that. And the whole
- 57:02game. I was sitting on the couch watching the game holding my daughter.
- 57:06It was awesome. And then towards the end of the game, it was
- 57:08looking pretty grim. So my wife just kind of came up and like gracefully
- 57:14took my daughter out of my hands because I was looking at this, and
- 57:17then the miracle happened, and my wife kind of looked at me. I
- 57:20didn't react. I was stunned. She looked at me, She's like,
- 57:23is that was that a good thing? I was like, and then I
- 57:28broke out of my trance and jumping around like everybody else. Oh yeah,
- 57:30I love that great. Well, speaking of kids, Tyler, I know
- 57:35your dad, Jared, I don't. I don't think you have any kids.
- 57:37Maybe someday one one deceased Goldfish Oh yeah, all right, man.
- 57:46Well, being a dad and a Vikings fan, do you do you ever
- 57:51feel guilty? Because I do feel guilty about bringing your kids into this fandom,
- 57:55not for a single second. I feel zero gil those built character.
- 58:01Being a Vikings fan, you need to know that life will let you down
- 58:07and there's not you can do about it. I think it's lesson. No,
- 58:09I'm I'm fully ingratiating them into the Vikings fandom. They've both had jerseys
- 58:15since the day they were born, So there you go. That sucks.
- 58:19Yeah. I go back and forth on if I should feel bad or not.
- 58:22One of my favorite memories of my kids being Vikings fans is two or
- 58:27three seasons ago. I was watching with my oldest daughter, who's like,
- 58:30I don't know six or so at the time, five or six, and
- 58:34the game was winding down the Vikings. It was close, but they were
- 58:36not gonna win, and it became very apparent, and she just looked at
- 58:39me and was like, are they They're gonna lose? And no, yes,
- 58:49that's great. So it made the loss feel a little bit less terrible
- 58:52but also cheap. It's good for you. Now you have someone to share
- 58:57the pain with. You can old them, and that's healing for you.
- 59:01Yep. I also bribe my kids every Vikings win. We get ice cream
- 59:06as a family, watch the game and be like, oh, are they
- 59:08Are they winning because we get ice cream? You'repelling them with Vikings. Yeah.
- 59:17Yeah, it's uh. It's funny because right now they care more about
- 59:21the ice cream, but someday they will care about the team. Someday they'll
- 59:24be like, get the ice cream out of my face. I'm trying to
- 59:27watch you're about the ice cream. Except my kids, they're not the oldest
- 59:31one, isn't. He cares that the Vikings are on, but he doesn't
- 59:37really get it. Yeah, younger one, somehow he cares more. To
- 59:42him every football game, no matter what football is on TV, it's a
- 59:45Vikings game, and he knows that he should watch it because it's so we're
- 59:50watching the college football playoffs and he's like, dad, Vikings and yep,
- 59:54buddy, and he sits down and he watches it all. There you go,
- 59:59that's awesome. So what was it like golfing at US Bank? Really
- 1:00:05interesting? Like so that I made this comment to Ryan and Jake when we
- 1:00:10were there. I've been to the Bank probably fifteen to twenty ish times now
- 1:00:17since it opened, to go to at least one game a year, some
- 1:00:21events, concerts, whatever. It was so strange to see it relatively empty.
- 1:00:27Oh yeah, that's true. And we're in this stadium and I'm used
- 1:00:30to thirty thousand plus people being in it, and there were maybe a thousand,
- 1:00:36and it was strangely quiet. It almost felt like a different building,
- 1:00:38and not in a bad way. It was you could really take in more
- 1:00:42stuff. You could see details that you wouldn't notice when it's filled with humans.
- 1:00:46But it was really interesting. The golf event they put on was really
- 1:00:50cool and I recommend to anyone if you get the chance to do it.
- 1:00:53You started in the Polaris Club and you literally just went up, up and
- 1:01:00down the stand, so you would hit from top of the lower bowl to
- 1:01:04the middle row to your as high up as you can go, and it
- 1:01:07was it was really neat. So if anyone gets to do what I'd recommend
- 1:01:10doing it. I think they're that same company is doing the same event at
- 1:01:15target Field. Yeah, they did one there a couple of years ago too.
- 1:01:20I think, yeah, yeah, I think it's coming up sometime,
- 1:01:22you know, sometime the next couple of months. They're doing it there too.
- 1:01:25So for me it's like a six hour drive to get up to the
- 1:01:29cities, but for stuff like that, obviously for Viking scenes, that's it.
- 1:01:32It's a worth it drive for us. But I think I might have
- 1:01:36to check out that target Field event that they put on. It seemed really
- 1:01:38cool. Where were you at in the stadium when you recorded that podcast talking
- 1:01:43about it. So we were in that Polaris Club. Okay, so it
- 1:01:46wasn't the player, it was the the casino, Mystic Lake. The Mystic
- 1:01:52Lake, yep, yep. So we're in there and that's where they house
- 1:01:58the event. So that's where like all the food is in the sponsor booths
- 1:02:00and stuff, and then that's typically blocked off like behind the booths the stadium
- 1:02:07was, but they knew we were coming to do a podcast, so they
- 1:02:08let us into there so we could have a view of the field. It
- 1:02:12was super cool. Probably one and only time I'm ever in the Mystic Lake
- 1:02:16club because I can't afford that shit. So I was the only one kind
- 1:02:21of soaking it in, like, hey, this is pretty sweet. Is
- 1:02:23there any coasters I can steal? Let's go on on here. That's awesome.
- 1:02:30Yeah, that's cool. I definitely if they do that event at US
- 1:02:32Bank again, I'm definitely signing up for that one. Yeah. I think
- 1:02:37you should if you had that fun. Yeah, all right, let's keep
- 1:02:39it on golf for a little bit. I haven't really mentioned it, but
- 1:02:43breakfast Ball you guys are focused on golf and Midwest stuff, so we'll keep
- 1:02:46it on golf. A little bit hypothetical question for you guys, both of
- 1:02:51you. You can pick any three current or former vikings to play around a
- 1:02:55golf with. Who is it and why? Okay? One more question about
- 1:03:00the rule. So they have to be live, no, no, and
- 1:03:05they are alive. So if it's Fran Targanton, it can be like playing
- 1:03:08days Fran Tarkenton, you know, like I'm okay, it can yeah.
- 1:03:13Yeah, that's just gonna make me double down on my picks. Jared,
- 1:03:15you go ahead, I'll do Roman Reins. He's a Viking. Yeah,
- 1:03:22yeah, I knew Lesner was. I didn't know Roman Reins was second.
- 1:03:27Okay, and let's see, let's do Rans. Oh there you go,
- 1:03:35okay, yeah. Classic. So I'm going with my two favorite vikings of
- 1:03:39all time, Chris Carter mm hmm and Harrison So both of them. I
- 1:03:45don't know if Harrison and golf at all. I know Chris Carter can Harrison
- 1:03:50Smith. Yeah, Harrison Smith. Sorry, yeah, I think he's not.
- 1:03:52Harrison Phillips, Yeah he's He's not one of my favorite Vikes. No
- 1:03:58offense to you, Harrison Phillips, if you're listening like he's totally listening.
- 1:04:01Yeah, I'm sure he is. You kind of look like Harrison Phillips a
- 1:04:04little bit. So yeah, go Chris Carter, Harrison Smith and Bud Grant
- 1:04:15be super cool at golf of him. Yeah, and I would take him.
- 1:04:18I know the course. I would even take him to. There's this
- 1:04:21course in Minnesota, super way up north. It's called Three Bears. It's
- 1:04:27in the middle of nowhere. The clubhouse is just the shed. You there's
- 1:04:31no tea times you show up. It's an honor system. If you want
- 1:04:34to get some beers or some pops out of the clubhouse, you leave money
- 1:04:39there and you just golf as many times as you want, and then you
- 1:04:42drive down the road to the bar and pay for your round at the bar.
- 1:04:45That's the middle of nowhere. I've seen bears out there. I've seen
- 1:04:49deer out there, so I think Bud would love that as well. That's
- 1:04:54awesome, that sounds cool. Yeah, I think mine. My first one
- 1:04:58would be Adam Thielen. I think he's a golfer, so that that would
- 1:05:02almost take I'm terrible at golf. I like it, but I'm terrible.
- 1:05:05But yeah, it doesn't even matter like I'm gonna get beat anyways. I
- 1:05:11might as well get beat by someone who's super good. I liked the Harrison
- 1:05:14Smith, so I'm mad in him in mind. And then Jared Allen.
- 1:05:17He just seems like a good time, so he would be a good time.
- 1:05:20He'd be the guy that rolls the cart. Yes, you want another
- 1:05:28another personal story? Oh? Do you have a Jared Allen story? No?
- 1:05:31I have a fling story for you though. Let's go that's everyone knows
- 1:05:36this if they they blew it up in the media coverage. Or Adam Thelen
- 1:05:42Detroit Lakes guy. Really, yeah, I'm kidding. That's he was almost
- 1:05:46a dentist too. Really did you know that he only had one college offer?
- 1:05:51That since? Was he he was undrafted too? Wasn't he he was?
- 1:05:56He was? Nobody knows? Yesh. Yeah, Adam Thlen Detroit Lakes
- 1:06:00boy. I went to school in DL for the first till third grade,
- 1:06:05and then I moved to the next town over. Frazy, but one of
- 1:06:10my friends grown up, so this might get a little convoluted my freshman year
- 1:06:14of college. After my freshman year, played football in college d three.
- 1:06:17After my freshman year, my friend, his older brother is best friends with
- 1:06:23Adam Thielen. They were best men in each other's wedding. Oh wow,
- 1:06:27that's awesome. Every year on the fourth of July, that family plays a
- 1:06:30seven on seven football game on the Detroit like high school field and they always
- 1:06:36bring one buddy with So I was my buddies plus one and Delynn who would
- 1:06:42This was the year that he was on the practice squad for the Viking.
- 1:06:45Okay, okay, well his older brothers plus one and they decided that in
- 1:06:49this family game of seven on seven that since I'm a college football player,
- 1:06:54granted it's D three and I didn't sniff the field once, that I should
- 1:06:59get put on the professional football player because we're the two highest levels of football
- 1:07:03player on this team. And he was super cool about it. He could
- 1:07:06have done whatever he wanted, he could have scored on command, but he
- 1:07:10was He was cool about it. But it was still cool to say that
- 1:07:13I've played with an NFL record holder on a high school field. Yeah,
- 1:07:17that's crazy. And in the midst of his we should just add that to
- 1:07:23the lore of Adam Steelen. When you shouldn't use from the hometown kid tryout
- 1:07:29player was practicing against some D three college football player. Yeah, I really
- 1:07:34gave him Hey, there, you can't deny that after that game he did
- 1:07:40get elevated to the fifty three. Yeah, you can take some credit for
- 1:07:45everything that happened in his career after that game. So congrats, man,
- 1:07:47that's awesome. I don't know why I haven't been doing this the whole time.
- 1:07:50You absolutely need to wear a T shirt like I made Adam feelin who
- 1:07:57I mean, make your welcome Adam shirts. That's awesome, Tyler. You
- 1:08:04went to the draft party recently, didn't you, Yeah, me and Grandpa
- 1:08:08Dave. That's how was that? That was cool? It was very cool.
- 1:08:12That was another one where it was a completely different style of event that
- 1:08:16I've ever been to. At the Bank, they had the entire field was
- 1:08:21just filled with like games and activities and whatnot, and they had like some
- 1:08:28of the lower bowls open up for sitting, but most of it everybody was
- 1:08:30on the field. And then they had a stage set up on what would
- 1:08:34be I think the West End zone, Okay, opposite of the main entrance
- 1:08:40where they had they were doing like Pa was doing his radio show live at
- 1:08:45the draft, So that was pumped throughout the whole stadium, which was super
- 1:08:47cool. And yeah, all the events were really sweet and everyone there was
- 1:08:51having a blast. That's cool. Well, and the whole vibe of the
- 1:08:56draft too. I think everybody guessed that they were going to trade the next
- 1:09:00hundred years of first round picks to get but then they didn't have to do
- 1:09:03that. What was it like in that time where it's like, oh,
- 1:09:05I guess the Patriots are taking Drake me, what's gonna happen? Was it
- 1:09:10kind of tense in there? It was super tense. It was weird.
- 1:09:12So again to the atmosphere. This was the first time I'd ever been at
- 1:09:16an event at the Bank where there's a lot of people, and for sure
- 1:09:21everybody there was Vikings fans, Like you can go to a Vikings game and
- 1:09:25there's gonna be some of the opponents fans there. Everybody in that building was
- 1:09:30a Vikings fan. So we all got quiet at the same time, we
- 1:09:33all got excited at the same time. Just the energy match and you could
- 1:09:38like feel the waves of everybody there and it was kind of neat. Yeah,
- 1:09:42after Drake May went, it was there was like a lot of looking
- 1:09:45around, like all right, we're still what we were, five six,
- 1:09:51seven picks away and everyone's like we're on the clock, on the clock for
- 1:09:56the next hour and a half. You never know what's going to happen then.
- 1:10:00And then later on Dallas Turner they traded up again. I didn't expect
- 1:10:04that to happen at all. No, that was actually the most surprised anyone
- 1:10:08was at the entire draft party. So for the JJ pick is, I
- 1:10:14kind of messed up a little bit. So they had this thing there called
- 1:10:16the Vikings Rummage Sale, and I had no idea what it was going to
- 1:10:19be. I assumed it was just going to be like a discounted merch tent.
- 1:10:25Sure, yeah, but I wanted to check that out. So I
- 1:10:28went in there at like pick six, I believe just I thought i'd be
- 1:10:31quick in and out. So you go through a tunnel where they run out
- 1:10:35actually, and then you go down to Hallwaii. You fall on these signs.
- 1:10:38All of a sudden, we're in the locker room. What it would
- 1:10:43go into the locker room and they it's an actual rummage sale where they have
- 1:10:46white folded tables just filled with gear that the players used. So they had
- 1:10:53a shitload of like game war and jerseys where they like took the names off
- 1:10:57they had game pants, they had the the shorts and like the compression shirts
- 1:11:01that they would wear for like shells day and walk throughs and stuff like.
- 1:11:04So it was just all you stuff that the Vikings were trying to get rid
- 1:11:09of. And so instead of me just doing my planned quick check it out
- 1:11:13and then leave, I got sucked in. I'm texting Jared like you want
- 1:11:15a jersey, dude, there's a whole bunch of and so I'm in full
- 1:11:19shop mode and then all these other people in the locker room like, oh
- 1:11:23shit, we traded up. I just four picks disappeared while I was just
- 1:11:29skimming through jerseys, and they took the names off the back, but it
- 1:11:32said that the year on the tag, so I had rosters open so I
- 1:11:38could figure out whose jerseys they were, and so I just lost track of
- 1:11:41time, and then all of a sudden, they're like, hey, we
- 1:11:43traded up, and so I grabbed my jerseys really quick. I run to
- 1:11:45the checkout thing, which is at another tunnel to get back onto the field,
- 1:11:49and we're on the clock, and I asked the lady. I was
- 1:11:53like, hey, can I just run to the tunnel and watch the pick
- 1:11:57quick while you ring this up, go ahead, and so I run out
- 1:12:00there, we draft JJ. Everyone erupts it's awesome, and I go back
- 1:12:05and the lady's like, hey, surprise. After the first pick, every
- 1:12:10jersey's five dollars, so what? I got four Viking jerseys for twenty dollars
- 1:12:15and then the shirts were five dollars, so we're good to go. It
- 1:12:21was great. So wading really saved you probably a good crap ton of money.
- 1:12:26Yeah, so I ended up getting we got four jerseys for eighty dollars.
- 1:12:30I spent eighty eighty three dollars. Some of the shirt was three bucks.
- 1:12:35I spent eighty three dollars to get four jerseys and a shirt, so
- 1:12:38it was sweet. That's awesome. Whose jerseys did you get? Do you
- 1:12:43remember the only cool one? Jake wanted a ninety eight jersey because that's the
- 1:12:49year he was born, So I just grabbed the first ninety eight jersey and
- 1:12:53ended up being Lindvall nice. And then there was a I think Noah had
- 1:13:00Gerald Hodges's jersey, right yep, Carol Hodges. He was the only other
- 1:13:03name I recognized. Then one I got a sixteen from like twenty nineteen,
- 1:13:09and it was a punter that wored in a preseason game. Who did you
- 1:13:14get Jared? I got Mac Brown. He was a cornerback. He played
- 1:13:16like one or two games in like twenty seventeen. Huh okay really yeah,
- 1:13:23and they're just still really cool. Yeah, yeah it was. It was
- 1:13:27super sweet. But then the like I said, the most hype the bank
- 1:13:31got was went out of nowhere. We traded up to go get Turner.
- 1:13:35So because nobody saw that coming, we were all just sitting there. That's
- 1:13:39when everyone was there's everyone was in the beer line, everyone was checking out
- 1:13:43the games. No one was paying really any attention, and they announced that
- 1:13:46and Pa lost his shit. It was awesome. He he could make me
- 1:13:51excited to watch somebody paint a wall. He described it right like, Yeah,
- 1:13:58I could listen to that guy any day doing anything. Yeah, I
- 1:14:00can imagine how crazy that building was when they traded up and when they got
- 1:14:05JJ without having to trade the next two or three years worth of first round
- 1:14:10picks like that crazy too, Yeah, it was. I think there was
- 1:14:14a ton of signs that said, let quasy cook. I think he cooked.
- 1:14:18Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm more and more every time Craycy does something
- 1:14:23I like him a little bit more. Well, it's not the bar so
- 1:14:27low his first draft, nowhere to go but up Lewis scene. He might
- 1:14:31not even make the team this year. Like that's crazy. No, all
- 1:14:36right, Tyler, what's worse, uh? Watching the a loss in the
- 1:14:42NFC Championship game or breaking your leg? Well? Yeah, I cried way
- 1:14:51more when we lost the NFC Championship game in twenty Yeah, so there's your
- 1:14:55answer, and that honestly this I'm only broken leg. It's four to six
- 1:15:00weeks in a boot. If to win the NFC Championship game, I would
- 1:15:03go six months in a boot. Yeah, easy trade, you know,
- 1:15:09just break both my legs if I can guarantee you know, one Super Bowl
- 1:15:13win, Like, let's go. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. The
- 1:15:16NFC Championship was worse. I remember, well, I don't remember because I
- 1:15:21consumed a lot of beverages after that loss, and I had a I looked
- 1:15:26at my outgoing phone calls the next day and I had a thirty minute phone
- 1:15:30call to my grandpa and I didn't remember, and then call them again and
- 1:15:35I was like, what happened? Why did I call you? He's like,
- 1:15:38you were not okay? Good old Grandfa Dave Well, Scholhoppers. You
- 1:15:44don't know what we're talking about. Tyler. I talked a lot about breaking
- 1:15:47his leg and really both you bet your radio and the Double Bowie Show from
- 1:15:54past week. So you'll check that out. Good listens overall. Yeah,
- 1:15:58it's calm almost another relevant to this podcast. Another good football story for you.
- 1:16:02Go check it out. Yeah, for sure, I liked it.
- 1:16:06Some good backyard football. And then you you rallied, you, you didn't
- 1:16:10leave, You were tough. Matt Stafford performance. People are saying, do
- 1:16:15that video of Stafford like coming out of the game, coming back in It's
- 1:16:19like three minutes. It's just an iron man. That's crazy. So that's
- 1:16:25what I picture when I hear the story of you, you coming back and
- 1:16:29throwing the game winning touchdown after that game tying technically Oh, I mean,
- 1:16:32hey, it is semantics. But Jared was there, he said he was
- 1:16:35the one. I think he said this was better than Matt staff five ten
- 1:16:40years from that will be a game winning touch Yeah. Well yeah, security
- 1:16:43camera footage and they'll do an ESPN thirty for thirty on it. I'm sure.
- 1:16:47Well, and it's your story. It can be a game winning touchdown.
- 1:16:50It can be you can have thrown it and caught it if you want
- 1:16:54to tell that story. Yes, yeah, all I know is a ding
- 1:16:59on leg is a hell of a long way from the heart. Yeah.
- 1:17:03And the Vikings they know how to break our hearts, so they do,
- 1:17:06Yes, they do, all right, guys. So I guess to close
- 1:17:10it out a little bit, I've got some rapid fire questions for you,
- 1:17:14and just don't think too much, both of you. I want you to
- 1:17:16answer, if you're all right with it. What how many starts do you
- 1:17:21think Sam Donald's going to have this season for the Vikes unpopular opinion seventeen?
- 1:17:29Okay, I agree with you. I would say twelve, okay, okay,
- 1:17:33all right? How many starts for JJ? Zero? Okay? All
- 1:17:40right? I guess five? Okay, because in theory, if Sam Donald
- 1:17:45doesn't start, JJ won't be the only other quarterback on the roster. So
- 1:17:49if he's not ready, I don't I don't think you throw it in there
- 1:17:51before he's ready. Yeah, I would really like Donald to start every game
- 1:17:56because I'm even if, like some of the pros are perdicting we start zero
- 1:18:00to six. I know all of Vikings fandom is going to be screaming for
- 1:18:05JJ to start. I do not want it. We cannot ruin this kid
- 1:18:12exactly. Yeah, we can't throw him into the fire if he's not ready.
- 1:18:15I don't want his career to get cut short because we threw him out
- 1:18:19there when he wasn't ready. Yep. Just a few minutes ago, with
- 1:18:24Evan and I talking on this podcast, I said that we can't Christian ponder
- 1:18:29JJ. We can't in just because we want him in. And Donovan McNabb
- 1:18:33or you know, save Donald's not getting the job done. You protect you.
- 1:18:38I think Donald. I think Donald be a little better than the Vikings
- 1:18:42McNabb actually, at least I think I would be a little bit better than
- 1:18:46the Vikings. I have a really, really sneaky suspicion that Donald might have
- 1:18:54himself a case keenum here. How about a Baker Mayfield year from last year.
- 1:19:00Yeah, and I hope that doesn't sway Quacy or O'Connell to keep him.
- 1:19:09Well, hey, what if he gets it, goes and gets a
- 1:19:12bag for like the Steelers, I don't know, they get a new quarterback
- 1:19:15every other week. Yeah, true, But what if the unthinkable happens and
- 1:19:18Donald starts every game, they make the playoffs, and they do something magical.
- 1:19:23What if Donald brought this team to a super Bowl? What do you
- 1:19:26do. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but what do you do?
- 1:19:29I give him one more another one year? If pump him up the super
- 1:19:33Bowl, somebody's giving him at least a three year, one hundred million dollar
- 1:19:38contract. Yeah, if I'm the Vikings though, that's all I'm offering him,
- 1:19:41is like, hey, here's another one year. You're not the quarter
- 1:19:43back of the future, you know that. What if he does it?
- 1:19:45Though? Like what if? Again, I'm not predicting it. What if
- 1:19:48Donald throws like six thousand yards and like seventy touchdowns and he looks like like
- 1:19:55uh Sam Bradford did against the Saints that one year to open up the the
- 1:20:00season. Like what if he's just perfect? You gotta keep him right.
- 1:20:03It's a good problem to have. It is a great problem. And me,
- 1:20:06the cynic right now is saying, Nope, Nope, he's not,
- 1:20:10he's too old, he's not. We we have this rookie that we're gonna
- 1:20:15have to We're gonna be paying pennies for the next five years. We gotta
- 1:20:19think advantage that we can build a roster around him. We can't build a
- 1:20:23roster spending all our cap space on sam Donold. If he wins the super
- 1:20:26Bowl, Yeah, that's true. H And again I think, yeah,
- 1:20:30that's a that would be a beautiful problem to have a year from now.
- 1:20:33And I don't think that'll happen. But man, if he won you the
- 1:20:36Super Bowl, I don't know. I don't know the right answer. I
- 1:20:41think you gotta go with them. I'd be forever in his debt. That's
- 1:20:44all we want. All we want is won. Just give me one super
- 1:20:47Bowl. That's all I want. Okay, Well we kind of derailed those
- 1:20:50rapid fires, but I got a few more for you. Justin Jefferson.
- 1:20:55How many yards and touchdowns does it get this year? Okay? I think
- 1:21:00he I don't think he has a deal done during training I think he holds
- 1:21:05out during training camp and he goes starts the season off a little slow because
- 1:21:10he hasn't been in training camp any of the season stuff. So I think
- 1:21:14it's down from the last two years, but still very good. I'm going
- 1:21:17fifteen hundred yards, seven touchdowns, Okay, I would go about yeah,
- 1:21:23thirteen hundred about nine touchdowns. It always feels like a single digit touchdown here
- 1:21:28for him. Yeah. I think Addison is going to continue being deep ball
- 1:21:31touchdown guy, and Hawkinson's the threat in the red zone. So I think
- 1:21:35touchdowns are lower. Yeah. Well, and in theory, you're going to
- 1:21:40get at least hopefully more rushing touchdowns this year than the Vikings had last year.
- 1:21:45So could we get less? I don't know. I know Madison didn't
- 1:21:50have any rushing touchdowns, Didy or did you have like two? I think
- 1:21:54he got one and it was like Week fourteen or some shit. Yeah,
- 1:21:58unbelievable. Ty Chandler had more rushing touchdowns. Chandler did for sure have one
- 1:22:05before Madison did. Oh yeah, I think everybody Cam Akers did. Yeah,
- 1:22:15yeah, yeah. So I think that'll cut into any receiving touchdowns for
- 1:22:19everybody because hopefully you get a little bit more more from the run game with
- 1:22:23Aaron Jones this year. Are there any surprise cuts before the season starts,
- 1:22:30anybody that we don't think is going to be cut or maybe they You could
- 1:22:33see it, but it'd still be a surprise. I think Andrew Booth,
- 1:22:39I think there, Okay, I could see that I think Tanya's gonna get
- 1:22:44cut. I don't. I don't see him making the team tanah, yeah
- 1:22:48that. There seems to be a lot of hype around him right now,
- 1:22:51just the fun news signing. But I think at best he's even you know,
- 1:22:58before Hockinson comes back, he's fighting for that third tight end job,
- 1:23:01right and then for sure when Hockinson comes back, some tight end is probably
- 1:23:05gonna get cut. So Johnny Munt is going to flash in preseason. We
- 1:23:12joke about that all the time. One time in a press conference, Kevin
- 1:23:15O'Connell says, Johnny Munt is the best tight end three in the whole league,
- 1:23:21so we geek out every time months on the field. All right,
- 1:23:27that's there's another T shirt for you. Putt on the back and then best
- 1:23:30in the league, Yes, best T three. I don't know. I
- 1:23:34don't know about any surprise cuts. I do think, and that not before
- 1:23:39the season. But I think there's a chance we get Harry the hit Man
- 1:23:43retirement mid season. That was going to be mine. Yeah, yeah,
- 1:23:46I don't think he's not. I don't think they would ever not put him
- 1:23:49on the roster, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't be surprised if by like
- 1:23:54week eight he retires because he's getting old and he knows it, and I'm
- 1:23:59sure is wrecked. Yeah, he's playing on fumes, I think so,
- 1:24:04but he's still got that fire in that passion to be in there. But
- 1:24:08he's not bad yet. He's just they've already said they're gonna like almost have
- 1:24:13him on a pitch count, kind of manage how much he's on the field.
- 1:24:17I kind of think of who was a Terrence Newman a handful of years
- 1:24:20ago in training camp. He he like weirdly retired and then joined the coaching
- 1:24:27staff. But I think it was one of those like, yeah, I'm
- 1:24:30getting old, I still want to be around the team, but I'm not
- 1:24:32going to make the roster, so let's uh, let's retire before I get
- 1:24:35cut. Yeah, which I don't think is a bad move for him.
- 1:24:40I wouldn't and me as a fan, I've loved Harry since the day we
- 1:24:43drafted him, I think that would be a good way to go out.
- 1:24:46I would hate to see him finish this season, we don't resign him,
- 1:24:50and then he ends his career in like Tampa or something like. Well,
- 1:24:56he's already had the chance to do that right, Like he's it can pretty
- 1:25:00substantial pay cuts stick around, So I feel like, unless some other team
- 1:25:08offered him a huge bag, he's not really going to play anywhere else because
- 1:25:11he would have already done that. I hope not exactly, but Jared,
- 1:25:15I think I think you're onto something. I think that defensive back room there
- 1:25:19might be a surprise cut there, whether it's Booth or a Caleb Evans or
- 1:25:24somebody like that. I guess Harry's in that dB room too, so yeah,
- 1:25:28I think that that could be where that surprise might come from. I
- 1:25:30would like it if Evans got cut because he did not look second half.
- 1:25:34He's he's always one that he kind of he's terrible, but he'll flash,
- 1:25:39he'll get like an interception. It's like, oh, maybe this kid's not
- 1:25:42too bad, maybe he's figuring it out, but then he's not. He's
- 1:25:45just I played with a guy like that in college. He got all American
- 1:25:48because he had like six picks, but they were all underthrown balls where he
- 1:25:53had gotten toasted. So his stat line looked decent, but he was a
- 1:25:57terrible corner. Yeah. Week three last year against the Chargers, Evans had
- 1:26:03Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then they would have won the game if
- 1:26:06you would have held that pick. Well, the Bengals too, he let
- 1:26:12that crazy touchdown happen, like we had so many the beginning. The first
- 1:26:17half of the season last year is unreal. Thus being a Vikings fan and
- 1:26:23watching and then Kirk breaking his achilles exploded, and our hearts and there then
- 1:26:31here we go. We won what two games after that? We had a
- 1:26:38little bit of the the Dobbs magic going on for a little while. That
- 1:26:43was so much quarters of football. It was a blast. And then and
- 1:26:47then listening to Creed, yeah, ten years ago, it does it looks
- 1:26:55like a lifetime ago. Jared. All Right, guys, do you think
- 1:27:00way too early final record is going to be? Oh, I'm playing it
- 1:27:04safe. I'm playing it real safe with my record prediction eight. Okay,
- 1:27:11everybody always says, I know preface that I'm playing it safe for everything,
- 1:27:15just every team other than like the Blue mm hmm, I'll say, I'll
- 1:27:21say nine and eight. Everybody does it. I'm gonna go. I'm pretty
- 1:27:30optimistic. I think there's that huge question mark about the quarterback position, but
- 1:27:34other than that, I think the team got better everywhere else. I'm going
- 1:27:39eleven wins. I think they can do it. Okay, I'll eleven win
- 1:27:43season, would I'd be tickled pink. And yeah, the the NFC North,
- 1:27:47That's that's one thing we got to take into account. We got better
- 1:27:51everywhere, so did the rest of the division. Yep. But I mean
- 1:27:57they don't play. I think most of the division games are in the last
- 1:28:00like seven games of the season, so they got a lot of time to
- 1:28:03figure themselves out and good and then go through that Gauntlin. Yeah. We
- 1:28:09also have a lot of time for all of the Lions players to get hurt
- 1:28:14or injure themselves in practice. Yeah. Yeah, because Dan Campbell is running
- 1:28:17full pads four days a week. Yeah. I don't believe in them.
- 1:28:23I'm really happy they signed golf to that huge deal because I think it's gonna
- 1:28:27blow up in their faces. Do you buy into the Bears hype? No,
- 1:28:30not at all. I don't know why everybody's crying. Yeah, they
- 1:28:33played fantasy football in free agency, and yeah, Caleb Williams is supposed to
- 1:28:38be amazing, but so is Trevor Lawrence. Like he hasn't really done much.
- 1:28:42So I don't believe in Caleb Williams. I think the Bears last year
- 1:28:45they were getting all the hype. Remember Fields was supposed to be an MVP
- 1:28:49candidate. Now he's the second string behind Russell Wilson. I agree. I
- 1:28:55on paper, they definitely got better on paper. But we've heard this story
- 1:29:00how many times in our lives. The Bear the team to beat this year.
- 1:29:04That then the one year that they were decent when Trubisky took him to
- 1:29:08win the NFC North, they weren't supposed to be good. So the Bear
- 1:29:13just coin flip based off of what the pros are predicting. Yep, yeah,
- 1:29:20I don't. I don't believe it. I think the Vikings will either
- 1:29:24be first or second in the division, behind the Packers at least a wild
- 1:29:29card. Yeah, maybe behind the Packers. I hate that that. Jordan
- 1:29:30Love is looking decent me too, sucks. All right, guys, anything
- 1:29:40you guys want to plug before we wrap up here? Obviously you bet you
- 1:29:44everything everything breakfast Ball. What do you guys want to plug? Hell?
- 1:29:46Yeah, I mean go check out the Double Bogie Show. That's the podcast
- 1:29:50for breakfast Ball, where you can find all podcasts. You bet your radio.
- 1:29:57Jared is the glass Man act e lead in seat right now. That
- 1:30:00is the two of us and two other guys. So yeah, just check
- 1:30:04out our podcast, check out our content. Hope you enjoy it. Yeah,
- 1:30:10yeah, well I definitely listen to everything. I like it a lot.
- 1:30:12I think Skullhoppers would enjoy it too, if for some crazy reason they
- 1:30:15aren't already following you guys, So if you're not, definitely do it.
- 1:30:19I really love having you guys on open Door. If you guys ever want
- 1:30:24to come back on and about the Vikings again, and if not, definitely
- 1:30:28do the Vikings corner on your own podcast. Put your foot down event about
- 1:30:31that because you deserve it. We'll just talk over them exactly shared edics the
- 1:30:38podcast. We could put it in without them knowing, well you can.
- 1:30:41Yeah, you get to do that every once in a while. It's been
- 1:30:44a bit, but you guys like to mute each other, so yeah,
- 1:30:46we'll bring it back. Yeah all right, guys. Yeah, anytime you
- 1:30:51feel like venting about the Vikings open Doors, let me know you can come
- 1:30:56back on. I really appreciate you coming on today. Thanks for the time,
- 1:31:00school Hoppers. Check everything out, you bet you and yeah we'll go
- 1:31:03from there. Thanks guys. Yeah, thanks man, appreciate it. Austin,
- 1:31:06all right, hey, welcome back. It seems like you had a
- 1:31:11lot of fun. I'm really jealous that I couldn't join you. But next
- 1:31:14time, next time. So yeah, they're good. Good guys. That's
- 1:31:17a lot of fun. We really, I really like talking to Vikings fans
- 1:31:21where we live. We don't just see Vikings fans everywhere we go. It's
- 1:31:25still kind of exciting to see a dude like wear a Vikings hat. It's
- 1:31:27like, hey, school, Literally, somebody did that to me today.
- 1:31:30I was just picking my kids up from school wearing a Vikings hat and somebody's
- 1:31:33like school Vikings as I walked by. It's like, yes, that's awesome.
- 1:31:36So it's always fun to listen to the school. Yeah I should have
- 1:31:40right, we should have business cards like here you go. But it is
- 1:31:43always fun to talk to other Vikings fans, get their story and get out
- 1:31:46stickers. Oh yeah, there we go. So yeah, hopefully we can
- 1:31:49do that again in the future and you could be a part of it.
- 1:31:51And yeah, again, good, good guys. It was a lot of
- 1:31:55fun. We would be remiss if we didn't talk about the fact that a
- 1:32:00different Minnesota sports team has advanced in the playoffs. What's the what's the the
- 1:32:05rally cryer right now? Who do you who? Or whatever they're saying.
- 1:32:09I don't even know because I'm not that big of a Timberwolves fan. But
- 1:32:12the Timberwolves won Game seven against the Denver Nuggets. Yeah, to move on
- 1:32:17to the Western Conference Finals against the Dallas Mavericks. That's a big deal in
- 1:32:21Minnesota sports world. Absolutely. I've I'm on record on this podcast of saying
- 1:32:28about basketball, baseball, hockey, really any other sport that like. I'm
- 1:32:34die hard Vikings fan, and if I was to have a favorite minute or
- 1:32:39a favorite professional team of any other sport, I'm gonna go for the Minnesota
- 1:32:43teams. But I'm really just like a Bandwagon fan. Like earlier in the
- 1:32:46on this podcast, we talked about how the Twins had won their first playoff
- 1:32:49series and however many years and that was a lot of fun and that was
- 1:32:54the most baseball I'd ever watched at the time. And Timberwolves. Man,
- 1:32:59I have watched more basketball in the last few weeks than I ever had before
- 1:33:05and probably ever will again. It's exciting though, because I do claim the
- 1:33:09Timberwolves as a Minnesota sports fan. I'm a I'm a I feel like Bandwagon
- 1:33:15and fair Weather are different things. I feel like us Like if you and
- 1:33:20I were like jumping on the Miami Heat fandom, we'd be Bandwagon, you
- 1:33:27know. But if everybody's doing it, yeah, or like the Yankees or
- 1:33:30like, so I'm gonna be there. So it's still the Timberwolves are technically
- 1:33:36my NBA team, you know, But I'm a fair Weather Timberwolves fan.
- 1:33:42But you know what, I still have a lot of fun with it anyways.
- 1:33:44So see, the Timberwolves were good in those down years of Vikings football,
- 1:33:50like the early two thousands, the love Boat era and the just really
- 1:33:56kind of crappy years after like Dante and Randy Sure, Chris Carter, they
- 1:34:00had like fit A one or two. But the Timberwolves have only really had
- 1:34:04like one good year. But there was a year or two where it was
- 1:34:11Kevin Garnett, Latrell spretty Well and they were in the playoffs and they were
- 1:34:15really good. And I was probably like eleven or twelve or thirteen years old.
- 1:34:19I don't even remember when exactly. I think it was two thousand and
- 1:34:23four. It's literally twenty years ago. Was the last time they reached the
- 1:34:26Western Conference Final. That's that's probably it. But since then they've just been
- 1:34:31terrible, not good. Now, even with like the Kevin Love years and
- 1:34:36most of Kat's career, they've been terrible, which adds to me not being
- 1:34:42interested. Like if the Vikings are terrible for five years straight, I'm still
- 1:34:45gonna watch every game. But I'm just not a huge basketball fan. But
- 1:34:48I'm super super excited. Let's go. Ed has made the difference. I
- 1:34:55think he's the key acquisition and I'm hopeful. Ye. I mean they beat
- 1:35:00the defending champs. Yeah, and they were down at one point when we
- 1:35:05were recording this. The game was last night. They were down at one
- 1:35:10point in the third quarter by twenty points and they came back in one.
- 1:35:14There was a timeout. Because I didn't I fell asleep. Admittedly I started
- 1:35:18watching the game, but I was so dead tired I fell asleep and I
- 1:35:25woke up and I watched the highlights. And there was a timeout that took
- 1:35:29place in the third quarter, early in the third quarter, and that must
- 1:35:32have been like around the time they were down by twenty I think something was
- 1:35:38said in that timeout. I don't know who said it. I don't know
- 1:35:40what was said, but that was the turning point. It was early in
- 1:35:44the third quarter, or like just before halfway through the third quarter. It
- 1:35:47was still early on in the second half, and that was the turning point.
- 1:35:51I just based on my kind of quick review of the highlights that happened
- 1:35:58after I fell asleep, I watched, I saw them take a time out,
- 1:36:02and then all of a sudden, it was just it was all Timberwolves
- 1:36:05from there. So I hope they're not gassed, because I mean to win
- 1:36:10a championship. They have two more series ahead of them, at least at
- 1:36:15least eight more games, definitely eight more wins. I hope they they still
- 1:36:18have some left in the tank. It'll be really fun to watch and at
- 1:36:23least we've got four more games of excitement to watch this. This might push
- 1:36:28us a little longer than we're supposed to go. But should the NBA play
- 1:36:31seven game series in the playoffs like baseball? Because Baseball they'll play. The
- 1:36:38play in games are only one game, which I think is it's like Game
- 1:36:41one sixty three or whatever they call it. That's relatively new though it is
- 1:36:45in full years, but they don't play a full series for those They just
- 1:36:47play a single game to get into the playoffs, which I think is interesting.
- 1:36:50And then it's as far as I remember a seven game series from is
- 1:36:55it seven? All the way I thought baseball? Like maybe a wild card
- 1:36:58was a fiven or something. I don't know, something like that. I'm
- 1:37:00not the guy to ask about baseball. But but being gassed after one series,
- 1:37:04like I could see the Timberwolves being really tired, and I don't know
- 1:37:10much about their injury situation right now after seven games, but either to play
- 1:37:14seven games and to play your heart out for seven games, and to play
- 1:37:16Game seven on the road in Denver at altitude, that's I think the altitude
- 1:37:24thing is a little overblown. I say that as someone who is very obviously
- 1:37:27not an athlete, not a professional athlete, and I never played at altitude.
- 1:37:30I went to Colorado a couple of years ago and I tried to run
- 1:37:33a mile, and I run quite a bit. It's tough, all right,
- 1:37:36all right. They're playing indoors. Maybe they have some I don't know.
- 1:37:42That might be a little crazy too. Either way, it's not the
- 1:37:45Metrodome where they they pressurize it. Did you ever, did you ever open
- 1:37:50the wrong door in the Metrodome. No, but I remember walking through the
- 1:37:54doors of the Metrodome and feeling like I got sucked in my first Vikings game,
- 1:38:00my dad and I were trying to leave and we just went out a
- 1:38:02door and it was like very obviously like a pressure door, and we were
- 1:38:06getting yelled at as we were walking out, and we were basically thrown out,
- 1:38:13like the pressure just like don't let the door hit you, Okay,
- 1:38:16but it was it was jarring to be like sucked out of that thing.
- 1:38:19Anyways, Well, I think that the NBA might reconsider seven games the money,
- 1:38:28though they I don't think they ever will the money whatever DoD It's like
- 1:38:31if any league is concerned about the money, that's probably true. Yeah,
- 1:38:36but yeah, either way, it's exciting to watch. I hope they win
- 1:38:40the championship. Then at least maybe that that takes the monkey off the back
- 1:38:44for every other Minnesota sports team, because the last championship Minnesota sports is won
- 1:38:48was the Lynx, and it has seemed like I don't want to isolate anybody.
- 1:38:56It has seemed like in men's sports not to be exclusive. Sure,
- 1:39:02championships have kind of moved like kind of in geographic centers a little bit,
- 1:39:11and I would have to go back and do some research to prove this,
- 1:39:14but like, like, I feel like Tampa Bay has won some championships in
- 1:39:18several sports, and Kansas City has won some championships in several Boston area was
- 1:39:24notorious for a few years there for Yeah, yeah, you got New England
- 1:39:28and you had the Celtics and you had the Red Sox. I'd have to
- 1:39:32go do some research. I'd have to really compile some stuff. But what
- 1:39:38you're saying is this is our time. Minnesota is about to go on a
- 1:39:43tear and just win everything. That's exactly what I'm saying. All our high
- 1:39:45school just before we started going there, the year that they won everything,
- 1:39:51they won a lot of stuff the year our eighth grade year. Yeah,
- 1:39:55and they won a lot of stuff while we were in high school and they
- 1:39:58haven't won a lot since. And that's for three people that know where we
- 1:40:00went to high school. So shout out mister Spires. Yeah, Timberwolves,
- 1:40:09they're fun. Hopefully the Twins keep going. They were fun for a minute
- 1:40:12and kind of cooled down, but hey, the baseball season is still very
- 1:40:15young. Yeah. I have a joke with a coworker of mine that the
- 1:40:19nineteen eighty seven baseball season is almost halfway done. They just never they just
- 1:40:25keep playing baseball forever and ever and ever. Well, it's been a fun
- 1:40:30episode. It's been a long one, a fun one, a lot of
- 1:40:33good talkers. Hopefully we get to talk to you, bet you guys again.
- 1:40:38That was a lot of fun. Good beer too, Yes, your
- 1:40:42first control alt beer. Yes, I've seen this beer at our favorite Devil's
- 1:40:45Glenn Hivey. I've seen it a lot. I've just never jumped into and
- 1:40:50tried it. But it's definitely one if you like ambers and you like to
- 1:40:58crush beers a ton, because ambers have a they're no very little, yeah,
- 1:41:04but usually they're a little bit higher. Like you're not You're not throwing
- 1:41:06a ton of ambers back this one, they say point six, So you
- 1:41:14can you can very much enjoy a lot of the You'll get full before you
- 1:41:17get embarrassingly drunk off of these. Uh, that's not a challenge. Don't
- 1:41:23try to do that, guys. But yeah, maybe that's why I've never
- 1:41:27I've never grabbed it because I want a little little bit more punch. But
- 1:41:30man, this flavor, this beer, everything about it fantastic. Is that
- 1:41:32what you look for. I do pay attention to that. It's not the
- 1:41:35deciding factor, but I like to be in that six ish range. Now,
- 1:41:41if it's like a nine percenter' that's that's a little high for me,
- 1:41:45you know, for a beer, you know, just to throw a few
- 1:41:47back. But it's like a three percenter, I'm I'm probably not gonna try
- 1:41:51it on purpose, just an a beer at that point. Yeah, I
- 1:41:55could have it. I'll make a kombucha tea or something if I want something
- 1:41:58like that. But well, all in all, I like the Control Out
- 1:42:02beer. Yes, I'm surprised at how much I like it. I will
- 1:42:08have it again, Single Speed. I can't think of anything I don't like
- 1:42:11from them. You just keep hitting and it's nostalgic for us. Anything with
- 1:42:15that logo, the single Speed logo, I'm gonna grab. I know you
- 1:42:19are too, so thank you for bringing this. This is really good.
- 1:42:21Yeah, I hope you enjoyed my little poem slash riddle. I'm not joking.
- 1:42:27I want it on the back of a shirt. I need it with
- 1:42:30the front of the shirt being this control Alt beer Single Speed talk to us.
- 1:42:34We will We'll play ball. Let's let's make some shirts. We're open
- 1:42:39edits. Yeah yeah, sure, yeah no. I think it's perfect just
- 1:42:43the way it is. All right, Well, good beer, good show,
- 1:42:46best episode yet. Skull Hey Vikings fans, evan here from the School
- 1:43:08Hop and we just wanted to say thank you again so much for listening to
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