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Men it’s red pill rage that’s responsible for your failures in life you know? | Maintaining Frame 79 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, everybody, welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian with
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  Alison and this is another episode of Maintaining Frame. I apologize if you see
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  Brad Zirker. I changed it, so if you refresh you should see the
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  correct What is this like genre type? Yeah, this is Maintaining Frame.
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  Yeah, because we're still covering Chris, Yes we are, and the other
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  dude. Yeah we are still We're doing another section of the Alex Syke and
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  Chris Williamson video. This one is entitled yeah, yeah, go ahead,
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  another bunch of dating gurls who basic advice to men is, you know,
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  just be hot, dude, stop stop sucking, stop sucking. Yeah yeah,
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  yeah, be attractive to women. What's the problem. So anyway,
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  yeah, so we're gonna be doing a little bit more of that, and
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  uh, if you guys want to well, get in on that action,
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  give us give us a give us a like. So anyway, before we
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  get into the video, I just wanted to say that, actually I saw
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  Alex Syke's been making the rounds now. He was on Loadus Eaters this morning
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  and it was like a ten minute clip that I saw, and uh,
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  so yeah, I mean I guess like he's the guy now that people want
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  to talk to. So there you go. And uh, what was the
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  conclusion from the Lotus eaters. I mean it was kind of like the same.
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  It was. The idea was to give men a white pill to make
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  him make them feel like, you know, they're they they should they should
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  be encouraged to approach women and that you know, things aren't that bad,
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  bro. But I don't. I I think I still believe that the conversation
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  is really incomplete because they're still doing this thing where they're putting the onus on
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  men. At least, like there's this guy named will Nolan. Did he
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  just put out like a a I don't know, like a program or something
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  that would help men essentially like discern and find like good women, virtuous women.
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  And I say, well, you know, at least that's something.
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  At least he knows that the dating market, the dating pool isn't the best
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  for men who are looking for long term commitment with a loving and compassionate partner.
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  Because the thing about dating Psyche is is that, you know, it
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  seems to me that for him success is getting a date or getting laid and
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  sure, I guess, but that's really like step zero, right, I
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  mean, in my opinion, that's like step zero. What. I don't
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  think that's what the average man is satisfied with. I think they, you
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  know, if they want something like, if they want something akin to a
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  relationship, then they are looking for something a little bit more sustainable. And
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  I think that Alex might be well intentioned, but he's definitely like looking at
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  a very small, very small a sliver of the pie, as it were,
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  you know what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, no, well,
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  there's a few additional things that I have a problem with. So he looked
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  at the rate of success of men approaching in person? Did he at all
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  look at the rate of potential false accusation or experiences of extremely abusive rejections or
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  even group harassment as a result of rejection. Did he look at all any
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  of the negatives? And I'm guessing that he didn't. Well, I don't
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  know. This entire narrative is completely discounting the efforts, the organized efforts of
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  groups to make cold approaches for men more dangerous, more socially unacceptable, Like
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  more more people will look at it, more askance, you know, this.
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  It just do they think that this situation is men's fault or are men
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  responding to something that's actually happening, which is that there is a concerted effort
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  to make men approaching women in public to be socially unacceptable look at the Gillette
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  add or even criminal. And if men respond to these efforts by opting out,
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  you blame men for that. Well, the people who are doing this
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  are going to do everything in their power to continue to make men approaching women
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  into something that is fraught with danger yep. Because what they want to do
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  is they want to stop it, and they want to control the disc and
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  they want to frame this behavior as abusive in order to control the discourse that's
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  there. That's their means to power. And none of this is being acknowledged
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  mm hmm. And it's like, well, you can continue to say,
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  like Alex Syke is not going to change the amount of men who are refusing
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  to approach women who have decided not to like literally because he's on the Lotus
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  Eaters, He's on Chris Williams. This guy does not is not gonna change
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  anything. I'm gonna make a prediction it's gonna be worse in two years,
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  yep, and it's gonna be worse again. And the reason why it's gonna
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  be worse in two years is because literally we have an organized group of people
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  who are trying to make it harder and more dangerous for men to approach women,
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  for men to be in relationships with women. Okay, they are out
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  there trying to stop it. And if your only solution is, uh,
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  men men, just just just men more. Yeah, you know, just
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  just man more. That's not a solution. And even things like oh well,
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  just just be more courageous, well, okay, men who are risk
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  adverse and men that is a personality trait. Okay, when you get back
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  to me with the psychological evidence that you can shift something as deep as a
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  personality trait, get back to me on that, or alternatively, it's an
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  anxiety an anxiety disorder. I don't know. It seems like it's a sort
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  of a reasonable concern in my opinion, because literally, most people should be
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  afraid of being criminals, right, mm hm? Is that not a reasonable
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  concern? Is being put in jail not a reasonable fear? Is that not
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  part of what stops us from engaging in certain behaviors? So when men have
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  the possibility, and they do have this possibility, they definitely maybe not going
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  to jail, but losing their job in the workplace, and in some jurisdictions,
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  maybe not in the US, but in the UK, there are a
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  lot of activities now under the umbrella of approaching a woman that could land a
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  man in jail and not because he's a creep or I don't even well,
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  okay, let me put it this way. Creep is an object is not
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  an objective measure, right, you know, most crimes involve some kind of
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  evidence. What's the evidence of creepiness? It's just a feeling, right,
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  So if that's the standard, it's going to be. You know, if
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  that's the standard for between being a criminal and not being a criminal, is
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  a woman's emotional perception of your creepiness. I'm sure a lot of awkward guys
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  would rather not roll those dice, and that is normal behavior for a human
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  being. Human beings do not want to be regarded as criminals or anti social
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  or socially ostracized. So the more that we engage in increasing those punishments for
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  men in approaching women socially in public, the more men will be turned off
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  by that. Because they are human beings. And you can try to say,
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  well, man, be more of a man, man, but it's
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  the humanness that's moving the needle towards not approaching. You get what I'm saying.
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  Yeah, So the very thing you're trying to appeal to men to get
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  them to approach more is the very thing that's causing them to stop approaching,
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  which is concern over violating human norms. All right. It's not just oh
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  I might go to jail, oh I might blah blah blah. It is
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  concern over violating human norms. Human beings feel a lot of social like they
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  actually feel these social pressures physically, okay, And if you are a human
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  being, you are going to have a problem with that. So if we
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  start setting up norms that exclude men approaching women in public, men are not
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  going to approach women in public. And the only men you're really gonna get
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  approaching women in public are gonna be very disagreeable, And if you're lucky,
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  they'll be the disagreeable men who also have compassion. But more likely you're gonna
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  get the disagreeable men who don't give a flying fuck about anybody but themselves,
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  and getting their penis inside a woman. That's it. That's all they care
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  about. Because you've just elected against all of the guys who are like,
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  oh, well, is that a social norm? I better abide by that
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  social norm. Okay. And incidentally, those are the same guys who go
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  to war to protect their country because that's a social norm. You know.
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  Those are the same guys who invest year after year, grind after grind into
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  building a community and building a family and building a home. Okay. Those
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  are the guys who are the bricks of our society, and we are have
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  created a structure in which they are not rewarded and their approach is actively selected
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  against when it comes to the mating of I don't know, carousel or whatever
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  the hell you want to call it. So yeah, good luck to us,
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  good luck to us. This is just going to continue, like until
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  you stop presenting men approaching women in public as antisocial. The only men who
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  are going to do it are going to be antisocial and the social men are
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  not going to do it, and they're going to continue to opt out.
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  Period. Good luck, you know, good luck changing anything while you're still
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  doing the thing that's causing the problem that you're complaining about yep, I guess
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  my my main it's all right, I'll get my one thing about what I
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  watched on the low Seaters. And this is the same thing with this Chris
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  Williamson thing is the interviewer is not asking the right questions. And it bothers
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  me because they are giving men all of the agency in this in this entire
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  scenario, like they're just saying, Okay, can I just comment on that.
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  Yeah, I'm not even giving agency to the men who are making it
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  anti social for men to approach other men. Look at the Gillette ad and
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  the guys saying, oh that not cool, bro, Okay, there are
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  none like that. So they're not even giving agency to the men who are
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  constructing this problem. The only agency is being given to the victims of it.
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  Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah, But they're but they're they're only asking
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  those men or that's what I'm saying. They're they're those are the men.
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  They're trying to advise the men who are, like you said, concerned about
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  social norms, and they're and they and the climate has been created that makes
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  it very difficult for those men to approach and it and you know, they've
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  also kind of convinced themselves. This is why when he asks them like why
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  do you think that? And a lot of these men feel like they don't
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  live up to like there they don't measure up to women's standards, or they
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  don't feel attractive. Well, that's all part of the same thing. Where
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  are they getting that from? You know, most average men are average,
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  most average women are average. So why do the average men think so little
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  of themselves? Where does that come from? This is not These are questions
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  that are not being asked. Instead, it's just like, dude, your
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  average go for it. Bro. It's like no, Like, this guy
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  doesn't feel average. He feels invisible, Like the average man feels invisible.
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  So you know, you're not helping when you say you know. While the
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  data says, it's like, well, what about this guy's experience? What
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  about like our culture, what about what's all around us, all of our
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  media? What do the narratives say? Yeah, what about the messaging directed
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  at the average man, like that that he is a poor a poor choice
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  for a woman as a partner, like let's be honest, that that he
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  is abusive, that he's selfish, that he's not inclined to pull his weight
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  I mean this is these are the messages around the average man, and you're
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  you're asking too freaking much. There's there's a point at which you ask too
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  much of men, and I know that a lot of guys are probably wincing
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  at that, but there's a point where there's it's just too much. You
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  can't expect the average man to overcome a society wide anti man campaign saying that
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  if men are not being rapeye and beaty and murdery, then there be selfish
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  and self involved and they're making you do more work than they're willing to do
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  in a relationship, and you're really losing out women. When you get into
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  a relationship with a man, you're a patsy, you're a fool. Just
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  put a big l on your face if you get into a relationship with a
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  woman because you're a freaking leer who's being used by the man in her life.
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  That's what we say to women. You gotta win, you gotta have
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  power, you gotta be alone, a singleton doing whatever you want, you
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  know, just ordering up a man on the weekend and kicking him out it's
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  Saturday morning. That's kind of thing. That's the message that men are worthless
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  to women, and how it's the average man supposed to overcome that kind of
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  a societal message. And I know this is like, this makes I'm sure
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  this makes a lot of people uncomfortable because it's recognizing that something is outside of
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  men's hands. But it is at some point we can't keep leaning on men's
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  strength, all right, And also why should they have to if you look
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  at what men have done other generations of men. But this is a kernel
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  of masculinity that's in every man, or most men are almost like I mean,
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  really, we could talk about cowardice, but I think that most men
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  actually have a tremendous amount of courage like that. This is this is inherent
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  to the beast. Yeah, and they have shown this over and over and
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  over again. They have shown the willingness to sacrifice everything for society. And
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  we can't have the decency to allow men to inherit the honor and strength and
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  sacrifice of their ancestors rather than the alleged perfidity and oppression of women. And
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  we've constructed this whole mesa for ourselves, and until we unconstruct it, more
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  and more men are going to check out. And it's not even I don't
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  even think it's a conscious decision. I think that there are probably men who
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  listen to Alex psych and maybe even listen to the Lotus Eaters, and they
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  say, yeah, you know, I could, I could. I could.
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  I could walk up to a woman's stripe, up a conversation and have
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  a relationship. I believe, I one hundred percent believe Alex is right.
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  And they'll still never do it mm hmm. And they use that whole construct
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  of oh, oh, I could do that to never do it because they
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  think, okay, well I could do it whenever I want. I could
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  do it whenever I want. Therefore you're never going to do it. Do
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  you get what I'm saying. It's like the attic, the alcoholic who says
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  I can quit whenever I want, and that justifies continuing to be an alcoholic.
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  I could walk up to a woman whenever I want. That's why I'm
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  never going to do it. So this is just this is not This is
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  not anything that is going to solve anything. You can continue to blame men,
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  you can continue to avoid the fact that there is a whole organized group
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  of people who are apparently they just really hate heterosexual relationships. For some reason,
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  and they are using every tool in their toolkit to make it extremely dangerous
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  for men to pursue women, Okay, and that this is having an effect,
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  This is having an effect in it, and the effect is accelerating,
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  and this effect is going to lead to the demographic collapse of not just our
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  society but most And you know what's really interesting is that it has also led
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  to the problems with immigration. Like and I've gotten into these arguments before,
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  but the reason why people in power regardless of this is a good response or
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  an intelligent approach. The reason why they've been importing people, it's because the
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  natives aren't breeding. It's as simple as that. And they need to keep
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  their currency exchange moving through a critical mass of hands in order to prevent,
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  in the US's case, the collapse of the petro dollar. Like they need
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  more people using American dollars. That's why they're importing people and giving them money.
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  But the reason why they have to is because we're not breeding, we're
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  not having kids, and we're not having kids because of all of this messaging.
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  It's a big part of it. Don't you think all of this undercutting
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  of the desirability of the average man, all of this making it more and
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  more difficult for him to approach a woman. And yeah, I know that
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  leaves men with a sense of helplessness. And I really fucking feel bad about
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  that. That that makes me feel bad, you know what I mean?
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  Right, it makes me feel bad to say this. But at some point
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  you've got to tell the alcoholic, I don't think you're in control here.
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  I don't think you have control over your addiction. And then maybe in recognizing
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  you you're out of control, you can start to move yourself back into control.
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  But that's not what I'm seeing here. I'm seeing more and more excuses,
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  more and more belief that if you blame men something, that's somehow an
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  advance towards some kind of goal. Did you notice that? It's like,
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  oh, uh uh, you know we're gonna fill this pothole, Well,
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  why don't we just blame some men that'll do it. Hey, men,
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  look at this pothole. Yeah, I know you have nothing to do with
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  it, but we're blaming you that that's gonna fill it. Right, looks
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  like the pothole still here. We need to blame more men. It's like
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  this is the this is not a fun like, we're not this is functional
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  anymore, guys, this is absolutely You know why it's not functional because men
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  no longer have the authority. All of the pothole going filling jobs are going
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  to women. I know this. This is really straining the metaphor. So
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  men no longer have any kind of authority, they have no ability. I
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  should probably not drink so much cappuccino before. Oh did you have some?
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  Yeah, it's a little late in the day for you. Yeah, I
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  have, Like I have a mug almost four express bouncing off the walls.
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  Yeah, is here? He's he's chilling on. I'm gonna put him on
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  a camera. Hold on, Oh cool? I hope jo cam on here.
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  I don't know. I don't get no, I don't get to see.
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  I'm gonna move him like right here and then you guys can see him.
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  You want me to, do you want me to? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Jojo? I don't want to know. He's chill right there. It's
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  cool, Okay, chill, dog, let chill. He's kind of giving
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  me the side. I like, are you interrupting my nap? Anyway?
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  Why did it put Jojo up there? Okay, okay, all right,
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  I'm just saying like I might be a little bit half ducas. I got
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  like a mug of expresso. No, no, yes, it's actually if
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  it's cappuccino, then there's espresso in it. Yeah. No, it's like
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  pure espresso. Oh ship, that's yeah, that's like a shot. Okay,
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  Yeah, I'm gonna like this is I got a heart attack? Is
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  it in a tiny cup? No, it is. It's a mug ol
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  cup. It is a cup. You're gonna be like, You're gonna be
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  like Fry in that episode where he drank the niney nine, the one hundred
• 21:37
  cups of coffee, you know, Yeah, and then he transcended. Yeah,
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  he got super speed. Yeah. Should we get into the moment he
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  was vibrating and then he just do and then he's just yeah, makes perfect
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  sense. Maybe I'll get to that point, you know, if I drink
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  enough of this. Maybe not enough expressos. All right, all right,
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  can we get into the video now? Okay, let's let's do it.
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  Okay, we're gonna get into the video things first. Yeah, do the
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  things if you want. I got to set up just camera anyway. All
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  but yes, definitely, yes, do that Okay, so let's play
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  more of the videos. So I'm gonna I jumped way ahead to a segment
• 23:41
  about fifty five minutes in entitled what the Red Pill is doing to Marriage?
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  And I think this might this is relevant to our interests. Now. I
• 23:51
  know a lot of times these people who are not involved with the Red Pill,
• 23:55
  when they talk about it, they speak in very broad strokes. But
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  I do feel like we get lumped in like more often than not, so
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  it's almost like we kind of have to deal with it. Go ahead.
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  Originally, the red Pill sort of represented becoming aware of men's issues and realizing
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  that men, you know, the existence of men's issues actually are a data
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  point on what our society care scares about. So men's issues don't just exist,
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  but they also point to our society's concerns and its actual considerations, as
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  opposed to just being unicorns that just keep popping up for some reason, you
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  know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, for sure. For example,
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  I've had like when Pearl got into that argument over the conscription and that individual
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  said, well, what's your solution, It's like, well, you don't
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  have to have a solution to the issue. The fact that men are conscripted
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  and women aren't in order to recognize that this second selective conscription as a data
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  point that points to how our society, the actual relative worth of men and
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  women in our society is what I'm getting at. You see, So you
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  don't have to actually solve men's issues to allow those issues to inform your worldview
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  about whether or not society expresses over concerned men or women. All right,
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  yeah, okay, I'm belaboring this. Well it's yeah, it just like
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  I said, it's kind of like a catch all. A bunch of people
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  get lumped in with it. And but I do think that us Essentially,
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  if you're discussing men in any capacity, like men as like a group of
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  people, or as a demographic that is in need of help, and you're
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  not just shitting on them or demanding that they just you know, stop being
• 25:53
  a pussy or whatever, then you are basically red pill, like this is
• 25:57
  how you will be treated. Doesn't matter better if you actually are aware of
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  all the stuff or not. Right, So let's but let's find out what
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  date psych and Chris Williamson have to say about this. We're skipping the in
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  cell ideology stuff. I mean, we could do that. It's kind of
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  short. I think it's like trying to correct the ideology of in cells.
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  I think it's called do you want me to play that part instead? Yeah,
• 26:25
  I'm curious, like because the ideology of in cells is that they recognize
• 26:29
  the attractive men. Yeah, well, or they're disabled or they have others,
• 26:34
  like they basically out of the gene pool essentially, because I'm just really
• 26:37
  curious where they're coming from. It's like, you know, there's just a
• 26:41
  group of men who said, you know, I think we're unattractive to women
• 26:42
  because you know, women don't find us attractive, and then everybody's like,
• 26:48
  oh my god, you're terrorists. And they still use it as a pejorative.
• 26:52
  They still yeah, they still use it as a pejorative. Like I
• 26:55
  think I saw something, oh yeah, even even in the Lotus Cedars video.
• 27:00
  I was looking in the comments section, so like, I think the
• 27:03
  guy's name is Connor Tomlinson. He's like the guy that was interviewing or talking
• 27:07
  to date psych right, this was today, and Connor Tomlinson is a very
• 27:12
  young guy, a very conservative Christian whatever, and he's talking to the guy
• 27:19
  about the dating thing and he's trying I think he's always fighting with feminists in
• 27:26
  on like panels, and he's trying to like, you know, get people
• 27:30
  to pair up and get married and start families and stuff. But I think
• 27:34
  he's naive on a lot of this shit. Okay. I think that he
• 27:37
  thinks, oh, just be you know, like just go to church and
• 27:41
  find a woman. Like I literally had Jesse Lee Peterson tell me when I
• 27:45
  said, what do you think about meeting women at church? He was like,
• 27:47
  don't ever date a woman that goes to church. So so, I
• 27:51
  mean, I don't. It doesn't guarantee anything. But but my point is
• 27:53
  though people in the comments even called him and insects. They're like, oh,
• 27:57
  he's just getting these date coaches on so you can prove that he's not
• 28:00
  an in cell. And it's like this is not helping. Like I disagree
• 28:04
  with Connor on stuff, but when you use the language in that way,
• 28:08
  you reinforce these these negative ideas about men who are just talking about their issues,
• 28:15
  like in cells don't even need to call themselves that because a lot of
• 28:21
  guys are going you know, they they go through drive spells, or their
• 28:23
  they stay virgins or whatever. I think that when you use that language.
• 28:27
  You feed the enemy, they get to use it against you. They get
• 28:32
  to say they get to just because now when people just say in cell,
• 28:36
  people think of terrorists like right off the bat, and feminists love that.
• 28:40
  They love they want more in cell shootings. This is that's what they want.
• 28:44
  They want more murders caused by lonely you know, men who have nothing
• 28:51
  to do with nothing but time on their hands and their feelings. Yeah,
• 28:55
  that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. They want that so they
• 28:57
  can use it. Like when the what was it the Nashville shooting. Uh,
• 29:06
  we talked about yesterday that the manifesto came out and this is like a
• 29:08
  trans man. So a woman, a born a woman, and she killed
• 29:14
  a bunch of you know, Uh, she had she had a problem with
• 29:17
  men, she had a problem with white people, she had a problem with
• 29:18
  rich people, the usual intersectional gobbledegook. And no one in the media wanted
• 29:25
  to talk about it. They did not want to release the information. They
• 29:26
  didn't want any want to know because it's not politically useful. It was.
• 29:30
  In fact, it's politically inconvenient to reveal this, although it would be useful
• 29:37
  to understand what you know, can push someone because you know, when you
• 29:41
  really want to fix a problem, you want to discuss what the problems causes
• 29:45
  might be and then try to figure out ways to solve it. But what
• 29:48
  we're doing now is, you know, we find out something were and what's
• 29:52
  the solution. What does Laura Bates offer, because she's like the the expert
• 29:56
  on underage in cell men because she, you know, stalked some on forums
• 30:00
  and stuff. What's her solution. It's to essentially drive them further into isolation,
• 30:07
  which is yeah, and that's and that's probably most of the problem.
• 30:11
  Because I think that if if men who call themselves in cells, and I
• 30:15
  don't think you should be using that word, but if men who call themselves
• 30:18
  in cells had had a camaraderie with other men, whether those men are also
• 30:26
  in cells or not, they would do a lot better. And they and
• 30:30
  they could do so, they could do well enough in fact, that they
• 30:33
  would actually be fine with you know, whether they knew whether they were with
• 30:37
  a woman or not with a woman, like, they would be okay either
• 30:41
  way. And the truth is is that if you are comfortable with that,
• 30:45
  a happy side effect of that is that women will find you attractive, But
• 30:49
  that's not that should not be the purpose. I'm just saying, like,
• 30:52
  if you're happier in your skin because you have friends and men that you trust,
• 30:59
  that has to come from This is another thing that the Stateside guy does
• 31:02
  not ever say, and no one ever asks him. Hey, how about
• 31:06
  how about these men form camaraderie and community with other men. How about you
• 31:11
  create a space for men to hang out with other men, to share,
• 31:14
  you know, thoughts with other men, to talk to each other about stuff,
• 31:17
  to help each other out, lift each other up. How about that?
• 31:19
  Because that's what the Inceell forums are attempting to do. You know,
• 31:23
  at the very least, they're trying to keep men from offering themselves because that's
• 31:26
  usually what will happen if anything to tragic happens. But this guy has nothing
• 31:30
  to say about that. He's just like, well, I'm trying to get
• 31:33
  you laid, bro. It's like, but that's not that's not going to
• 31:37
  be satisfying. That's like, you know what I'm saying, Like even and
• 31:40
  I think actually it could make things worse, Like what kind of women are
• 31:45
  you gonna you know, find yourself? Yeah, honestly, like it could
• 31:48
  be worse. So I don't know, I think that it's yeah, it's
• 31:52
  not really good. It's yeah, it's another one of those let's blame men
• 31:56
  for the potholes without giving them the tools to fix the potholes. Yeah,
• 32:00
  you know, it's just another one of those. And the funny thing is
• 32:02
  that before insuls, it was men's rights activists. It's yeah, it's just
• 32:08
  it's just always a new word. Yeah, just the new word. It's
• 32:13
  the new word. That's all it is. Okay, I want to see
• 32:15
  what they have to part before we do that. I will say that there
• 32:20
  was someone who mentioned that he thought that we gave better advice than a lot
• 32:23
  of dating psyche people or men on how to deal with this kind of isolation
• 32:30
  and inability. You know, you talking about what intellectual compatibility actually means and
• 32:37
  me talking about how don't don't like honestly turn off the dating coaches. That
• 32:45
  reminds me a group of people happy and thrilled that you are participating with them.
• 32:52
  That reminds me of another of another thing I saw today. So I
• 32:58
  think we talked about this. I don't know if it was with you or
• 33:00
  if it was like an aftershow topic or something. But there's this thing called
• 33:04
  woke fishing. Do you know what woke fishing is? Oh? I can,
• 33:07
  I cannot even imagine. Okay, well i'll tell you. I'll tell
• 33:10
  you. So basically, you have woke fishing. And this is obviously something
• 33:15
  that feminists or left wing women have complained about, so it probably goes the
• 33:19
  other way possibly, But woke fishing is when you're on a dating site and
• 33:23
  you're a woman and a man in his profile he basically says that he is
• 33:30
  a feminist, or he believes in her body, her choice, or he
• 33:34
  basically tells her everything that he assumes a woman wants to hear instead of like
• 33:39
  what he really believes. And that the feminists are angry because these men are
• 33:45
  are lying about their actual values because they're trying to like get a date with
• 33:51
  a woman. And I and I have like two things to say about this.
• 33:54
  So the person who was responding to this was Brett Cooper, and she
• 33:59
  was saying that, you know, men shouldn't be lying about their values to
• 34:02
  attract a woman, they should just be upfront. And I agree with that.
• 34:06
  I agree with that, but I understand why And this is the thing
• 34:09
  that I don't think she gets. Because this brings us back to the intellectual
• 34:14
  compatibility thing. I think it would be fair to say that regardless of what
• 34:19
  women tell you that politics are, they're probably more on the left, they're
• 34:23
  more feminist, so you kind of have to as a man if you want
• 34:28
  a chance to even like get a seat at the table. I think a
• 34:30
  lot of men feel like they have to say, look, I don't hate
• 34:34
  women, right because let's say you're no, I'm serious, because that's kind
• 34:37
  of what that means there, like sugar yes, no, no, I'm
• 34:42
  serious. Because look, if you say, as a man, if you
• 34:44
  don't like, I think to go to the bathroom. The assumption I think
• 34:50
  from from men is that that are on these dating sites, and it is
• 34:54
  a dating site thing, so maybe they should be on dating sites to begin
• 34:57
  with. But setting that aside, even if you met a woman in like
• 35:00
  a social setting or something, I think that what men are worried about is
• 35:04
  if they said this is what I really believe, then women, because they've
• 35:08
  been propagandized, they're gonna like take something else away from it, like like
• 35:13
  like say for me, for example, I mean I'm married, so I'm
• 35:15
  good. But like if I was if I went out and I met a
• 35:19
  girl, let's say, and I was single, and she asked me about
• 35:22
  myself, I'd be happy to tell her. But you see, if I
• 35:25
  said, well, actually, I run a podcast that talks about men's issues,
• 35:29
  then something might click in her head based on something she saw on the
• 35:32
  media somewhere, and she might have an immediate negative, knee jerk reaction,
• 35:37
  and I would lose any chance potentially of even like getting her to see that
• 35:40
  I'm not the monster that I've been that like what you know, the people
• 35:45
  that I associate with are are lumped in with, or if they were like,
• 35:49
  oh, you know, I like watching Sneako or Andrew Tait or something
• 35:52
  or whatever it is, it doesn't matter. If it doesn't matter, you
• 35:54
  could be like, oh yeah, I like it could be milk toast as
• 35:58
  fuck. Oh I just occur to me. Yeah, how many men are
• 36:01
  avoiding dating because they just don't want to have to have that conversation, not
• 36:07
  that conversation, but right, I have to change that fundamental part of what
• 36:12
  their interests are. Yes, well, I think that's that's why I brought
• 36:15
  that up, because I was thinking the exact thing, Well, how many
• 36:21
  yeah, I don't think they should be. No, I agree, I
• 36:22
  don't think they should be. But like, at the same time, I'm
• 36:25
  saying I'm sympathetic to why because it looks like the average woman. I'm not
• 36:31
  talking about liberal women. I'm not talking about conservative women. I just mean
• 36:36
  the average woman has feminist leanings one way or the other. And you're gonna
• 36:42
  and they're gonna expect. That's why when women say I want intellectual compatibility,
• 36:45
  they don't mean that you should be smart and challenge them. They mean that
• 36:51
  you should agree with them because they think that they are the smart one and
• 36:54
  that you should be at their level. And they watch Bill Maher or The
• 36:59
  Daily Show or whatever it is, and that's where they get all the info
• 37:01
  from, and so you have to kind of why. That's what I honestly
• 37:06
  think it is. So like it's men are put in a the issue is
• 37:12
  this, Okay, at the end of the day, what men value is
• 37:16
  not valued. So men's values don't matter. Women's values matter. This is
• 37:23
  like where we're at on the back foot A masculine perspective, a male perspective.
• 37:30
  Because some people get triggered by the word masculine. They think I mean
• 37:35
  like you know, Schwartzenegger, I don't mean that. I mean like a
• 37:37
  man who thinks and talks and carries himself like a just like another man.
• 37:44
  That whole perspective is seen as toxic now. So men are constantly trying to
• 37:51
  navigate a mind field of this feminized behavior, the set of behavioral expectations,
• 37:59
  and I think that's why they do woke fishing, or at least maybe they
• 38:02
  don't even do it intentionally and like, oh, I'm gonna lie to them
• 38:05
  about being a feminist because I can bang them. But maybe a lot of
• 38:08
  it is subconscious, like well, I don't look, I think you know,
• 38:12
  I would like a wife to raise my children, but I don't want
• 38:15
  to say that because they might think I'm putting them in a prison, right,
• 38:20
  So they they don't and they want a chance to like come to the
• 38:22
  table and say, well, look, here's what I really believe. And
• 38:25
  now that you know me a little bit better, maybe I can share a
• 38:29
  bit more of like what you know who I am. Because also women are
• 38:31
  more relational, so if you have a relationship with one, they're more likely
• 38:36
  to consider what you have to say because they're like, oh, you're a
• 38:38
  you're not a horrible person that you know, demonic entity. Maybe what you
• 38:45
  have to say is not so crazy. But let's get to that in cell
• 38:47
  thing before. All right, Yeah, we'll jump into that. I'm just
• 38:51
  saying, it's it's it's really unfortunately overly simplified. Okay, I'm wondering what
• 38:57
  there's the idea of insul in. The idea is I'm listening that. Okay,
• 39:02
  let's let's do it. The cognitive distortions in the in cell world going
• 39:07
  going, well, I think a lot you're you're a liah is so fucking
• 39:13
  lucky that he got hit by the good genetic stick. Well, mister on
• 39:19
  a Viking beard, dude, I guess I mean, yeah, all right,
• 39:25
  let's let's go a lion. Yeah. I don't know. People are
• 39:30
  always very stuck in what they believe. Ideology is very very hard to shift,
• 39:34
  and people like, yeah, you don't think like people who say this
• 39:40
  have you. Here's the thing. I didn't start out with these opinions,
• 39:45
  all right, I this my opinion has as a result of looking at the
• 39:52
  evidence and realizing that the feminist approach is incredible overreach. Like they they do
• 40:00
  not have the evidence necessary to make the assertions that they do about human society
• 40:07
  and men's nature. And yet they make these assertions and they remain unchallenged on
• 40:10
  them. All Right, I didn't start this from an ideological perspective. I
• 40:17
  started this from questioning an ideological perspective, and you never seem to escape it.
• 40:23
  Like feminists are hell bent on removing love from the human race. I'm
• 40:31
  gonna put it like that. They're hell bent on framing the relationship between men
• 40:37
  and women as one not of love and symbiosis, but oppression. And we
• 40:40
  have allowed that to happen for the last one hundred and fifty years. And
• 40:45
  now we're at the end of this. We're at the final station. We're
• 40:51
  at the final station of that. And at no point have the people who've
• 40:55
  been pushing this expressed any ability to question in their ideology. So it's absolutely
• 41:01
  ironic that this man is talking about, Oh, people don't want to question
• 41:07
  their ideology. I mean, they don't want to agree with you. This
• 41:09
  guy is getting so much play. Yeah, I know, I agree.
• 41:15
  It's and also like you know, in cells not in ideology that this is
• 41:20
  the same as like Laura Bates saying it's a movement, it's a it's a
• 41:23
  state that men find themselves in that they don't want to be in. It's
• 41:27
  the only movement nobody wants to be a part of, you know. Yeah,
• 41:30
  so this is like incorrect. Also, put hand to emojis in the
• 41:34
  in the chats, you can pet the dog. It's the best way.
• 41:37
  They'll float around the screen, and maybe some of them will. Men who
• 41:39
  are experiencing a lack of sex or sexual interest from women. Let's look,
• 41:45
  let's just take away the ones who are like disabled or have been sexually abused
• 41:50
  by women. What do you think about listening to this guy tell you that
• 41:54
  it's not because you're unattractive that women find you unattractive. But what is he
• 42:00
  about to say? Let's hear all right, let's go explanations for things,
• 42:04
  kind of univariate explanations like this is this whereas human behavior is very, very
• 42:08
  multivariate. There's so many different things that contribute to why someone might do well
• 42:13
  at dating. Dude, human behavior is multivariant. But men are to blame,
• 42:21
  you know. Human motivation or human behavior is multivariate. But somehow men
• 42:28
  are supposed to be able to shift a fundamental aspect of the personality like risk
• 42:34
  aversion, human behavior is multivariate. But the reason why men aren't dating is
• 42:40
  because they're cowards and they don't want to approach women in public. And that's
• 42:45
  not because you know, there is a whole population or a whole empowered group
• 42:52
  of people who are currently trying to present this as a fundamental violation of human
• 42:57
  norms up to an including crimin. That's not it's because men are It just
• 43:04
  becomes woosies whoosy whoosy's, you know, like they're they're not being men anymore.
• 43:07
  They're they're not manning up. But human behavior is multivariate. Bro,
• 43:14
  I don't even think he knows what the fuck that means. Let's keep going,
• 43:17
  all right, being or not? You know why someone might come across
• 43:22
  as attractive or not. And people tend to focus very exclusively on why people.
• 43:29
  What do you think you think that women find you attractive? Yeah?
• 43:32
  Okay, he's he's he's he's saying, oh, women find me attractive not
• 43:37
  because I won the genetic lottery, but because I'm really a good, good
• 43:40
  person inside. M h, all right, you know what, all right?
• 43:49
  What No, I'm just I'm just like okay, So in cells are
• 43:54
  wrong when they say that women like certain physical characteristics, even though that is
• 44:01
  supported by science that women like men with a certain jaw, they like men
• 44:10
  with a certain brow, they like men with a certain musculature, they like
• 44:14
  men with a certain height, and they even like men with certain anti social
• 44:17
  personality characteristics. All of that is wrong. Why I mean, this is
• 44:24
  the most infuriating aspect that I can like. When I extend myself as a
• 44:29
  woman, to imagine being an insul, I imagine, okay, all right,
• 44:34
  Like, for example, I have physically unattractive characteristics. I'm masculine,
• 44:37
  I'm extremely stout. I don't know how to describe myself. I got a
• 44:43
  docky, stocky. I'm a stocky woman. Yeah, you know, if
• 44:46
  you want, if you want something heavy, lifted, i'd i'd be the
• 44:50
  woman to go for, right, Yeah, low center of gravity like a
• 44:54
  badger. Okay, but broad shoulders, thick chest. So I'm, you
• 45:00
  know, like I got an awkward That's why I picked That's why I picked
• 45:02
  a gnome as your race in badgers. I shouldn't. It could have been
• 45:07
  a dwarf. I thought about it, but I think, god, yeah,
• 45:10
  I don't even I don't even rank as a freaking dwarf. From a
• 45:14
  gnome. There you go, they are adorable forest creatures. Alison. Yeah,
• 45:20
  I got some really unattractive things going on, right, having somebody come
• 45:25
  up and say to me, actually, you know, men aren't aren't really
• 45:30
  attracted to the tall, blonde, large breasted, you know, wide hip,
• 45:36
  you know, like uh, thirty six, twenty four to thirty six.
• 45:38
  Men aren't really attracted to that. That's just an illusion that you've you've
• 45:42
  developed to hold onto your bitterness. I'm like, dude, fuck off.
• 45:49
  Mm hmmm. One hundred percent. Women are attracted to a certain type of
• 45:52
  physical features. Certainly not in the hell women who who them say, elves
• 46:00
  are basically planetoids, are still only attracted to those features. I've seen countless
• 46:07
  videos of women who are not not like well below mid who are like I
• 46:13
  want a six foot tall man and you don't have like They got the same.
• 46:15
  They got this overlit inflated sense of gas entitled not to talking about overinflation
• 46:22
  of entire but this is gaslighting. Yeah it is. But you, sir,
• 46:28
  recognize that you got lucky. You got really goddamn lucky. And I
• 46:36
  mean, admittedly you probably enhanced your luck by exercising and not eating like a
• 46:40
  pig. But you know, you got lucky, and there's a lot of
• 46:45
  men out there who are a lot less lucky than you, and they're looking
• 46:52
  at this and you're gaslighting them and saying, oh, yeah, women,
• 46:55
  they're not shallow. It's not because I'm good look that I'm successful with the
• 47:00
  women. Shut up, and you know what. Other it's a little bit
• 47:07
  more sinister. Is that avoiding talking about the effects of good looks as a
• 47:13
  benefit in dating, Which is ridiculous that we're even at this this thing,
• 47:17
  Like, we're even at this point where we have to defend recognizing that good
• 47:22
  looks are a benefit in dating for men. All Right. It occurs to
• 47:27
  me that if he did actually say, yeah, actually, I was lucky.
• 47:31
  I'm a good looking dude. That's why I score well with with the
• 47:35
  ladies. If he actually said that, he'd probably not make as much money
• 47:43
  with whatever he's selling, whatever Maxing he's selling, which apparently is just suck
• 47:49
  it up, bro maxing. Thats like it's pretty, that's pretty. Uh
• 47:57
  do you really guys? Do you really need that? Just do it,
• 48:00
  Maxing, Just do it. It's Nike maxing. Anyway. It's like the
• 48:07
  gas lighting it's like you can't even acknowledge yes, women's Yeah, that's another
• 48:13
  thing too. I think actually I'd be more interested in like an average looking
• 48:16
  guy that has like a lot of useful advice, or even like, uh,
• 48:21
  you know, someone we might consider below average, be like, yeah,
• 48:24
  look, I got these issues, but here's you know, here's how
• 48:27
  I I don't know, like whatever, here's how I overcame me those limits.
• 48:31
  Where are where are the dating coaches who are around mid Yeah okay,
• 48:37
  and they're saying, you know, I didn't I didn't score like the top
• 48:43
  in the top ten, but I got a wife, I got a good
• 48:45
  life. Here's how I did it. Yeah, where are they? Why
• 48:50
  are you all literally you? Why are you all eight or higher? Well
• 48:57
  that's the thing though that this kind of proves the uh, this kind of
• 49:00
  proves that disparity, though, doesn't it? Like this guy gets on multiple
• 49:06
  podcasts to talk about dating, and I think that his looks has a lot
• 49:10
  to do with it. And whether Chris Williamson or the Lotus Eaters know it
• 49:14
  or not, that was why. Because there's plenty of guys talking about,
• 49:17
  like, you know, giving advice to men about dating or talking to women
• 49:23
  or whatever. There's plenty of men out there, but these are the guys
• 49:28
  that have a better chance of getting that, you know, that exposure because
• 49:31
  they because attractive people are they're just more successful in that way, like they
• 49:39
  get more access, you know, so yeah, definitely, but he like
• 49:45
  they don't want to admit it. And the other thing is that they're not
• 49:49
  offering anything. Like even if you say, well, just overcome your anxiety
• 49:53
  or your personality trait, well, how yeah, how like both of those
• 49:58
  things involve a law of work. I mean, honestly, I overcame an
• 50:02
  anxiety disorder. That was a full time job. So if these men have
• 50:07
  anxiety, you're asking them to take on what amounts to a full time job
• 50:13
  worth of effort for what. And the thing is that it's I had an
• 50:20
  anxiety disorder and nobody was presenting posters encouraging my anxiety disorder everywhere I went or
• 50:28
  in a lot of places, no one was presenting rhetoric encouraging my anxiety disorder.
• 50:32
  It was just me and my own fucked up brain working through the issues.
• 50:37
  I didn't have to walk out the door and say yeah, actually,
• 50:40
  Alison, you should. You should probably realize you're a horrible person, and
• 50:45
  you should feel even more social anxiety than you do now. Like a lot
• 50:47
  of guys are dealing with that. There's a drumbeat of miss injury, of
• 50:52
  telling men that they're less than worthless, that they're criminal, that they're defined
• 50:55
  by the most criminal elements of their group. You know this, this constant
• 51:00
  messaging. Yeah, and how do you help men overcome that? Like I
• 51:06
  said, for me, overcoming an anxiety disorder was a lot of work.
• 51:12
  It was a full time job for several years. I had to focus on
• 51:16
  it. And you're asking men to keep the lights on and overcome an anxiety
• 51:21
  disorder that really isn't just in their head. It's something that's been pushed on
• 51:25
  them by the messaging of society. Yes, okay, overcome all of that.
• 51:32
  Well, how what are the tools that you're giving men? Just do
• 51:36
  it? Bro just do it. You're a coward if you don't. Well,
• 51:39
  that doesn't really help, does it? Like, go go approach women,
• 51:44
  overcome your social anxiety? Uh? How Like here's the thing, like
• 51:50
  this is this is why I go back to that whole statement about the addict
• 51:52
  saying, oh I can do this, I can quit any time. This
• 51:57
  messaging is that useful? This messaging is that useful as an addictions counselor going
• 52:05
  out to people with addictions and say and they say, well, I could
• 52:07
  quit any time, And the guy addictions counselor is like, yeah, sure,
• 52:10
  here, have another bottle of booze, Like this is not going to
• 52:15
  do anything. Yep, that the time which blaming men could do anything has
• 52:22
  long passed. Okay, sorry bro, Yeah no, sorry, Let's play
• 52:24
  some more of the video. By the way, guys, send in those
• 52:28
  superchows, yes, send in those super childs. Let's let's do it.
• 52:31
  You must have thought huh. I'm just saying to the audience, Yeah,
• 52:36
  you must have thoughts. Yeah, you must have thoughts on this. Okay.
• 52:39
  Big picture at least become belief systems that people adopt ideologically in a sense,
• 52:45
  and shifting their beliefs in a way is also kind of difficult because it's
• 52:50
  almost like it can cause cognitive dissonance. But it's also perhaps abandoning an identity
• 52:53
  that they relate with. And I think you see that. Yeah, particularly
• 52:57
  in cell community, you offer like you're saying, oh, there, you
• 53:00
  have to abandon identity you relate with. Well, yes, because you know
• 53:04
  as gnome. I think it was not Noam Chomsky, sorry, Marshall and
• 53:07
  mcluhanh said people without identities like it is an excruciating painful position to be in
• 53:16
  without an identity. That's that's when you start to get violence. So you're
• 53:22
  saying, well, abandon your identity as an insul. Okay, what identity
• 53:28
  are you offering them? What alternative identity are you offering them? Because at
• 53:31
  the very least they get some companionship in that identity. And I guarantee that
• 53:37
  it's not the in cell identity that's creating uh, some kind of violence.
• 53:44
  It's the fact that the incel identity isn't preventing the lack of identity from inculcating
• 53:51
  violence in these guys that have been told by society that they have no worth.
• 53:55
  Right, it's just not strong enough, it's not valued in us.
• 54:00
  If we went out there and said, hey, actually, you know,
• 54:04
  in cell identity is an identity of purity. I mean, you've managed to
• 54:07
  survive this long, so it's sort of like you represents an id like a
• 54:10
  psychological strength, and you're able to acknowledge reality that other people seem utterly incapable
• 54:16
  of So if you actually said, maybe this is a positive identity, you
• 54:22
  might actually find a reduction in violence. You know, if you gave men
• 54:27
  a positive identity. Oh, here's an idea, give men a positive identity
• 54:30
  in relation to the maintenance of society. WHOA, what a thought. Wouldn't
• 54:37
  that actually reduce a lot of violence? And I'm not even just talking about
• 54:42
  so called in cell violence. I'm also talking about Antifa, like all of
• 54:45
  those anarchist groups who have no connection to the society, so they want to
• 54:50
  tear it down, you know. But but that's I guess that's too positive.
• 54:55
  Let's continue to shame the shit out of men, so they have no
• 54:58
  identity and the only thing left of them is violence, all right, going,
• 55:02
  okay, let's keep going. That community is their friends and their identity
• 55:07
  in a way, what do you wish more insul forum is okay? So
• 55:15
  what you want them to do is it been in a place where they have
• 55:17
  some community, some friendship, some sense of identity for what There's no guarantee,
• 55:30
  right, Okay, No, no, there's no guarantee exactly. All
• 55:35
  right, let's keep going. Well, I wish that they would perhaps understand
• 55:42
  more nuanced as far as oh, nuance research related to attractiveness. So it's
• 55:47
  very cool. I guess if it was a specific thing that I wish they
• 55:50
  knew, perhaps interpreting effect sizes, because you will see in a lot of
• 55:52
  papers and this is kind of a statistical thing. You'll see that in the
• 55:57
  abstractor I will report like, ah, the more attractive person got more women
• 56:00
  x y Z, or you know, the dark people with the dark triad
• 56:04
  were more attractive, they had more partners. But then you will look at
• 56:06
  the effects and we'll be like one on average or something like that, and
• 56:08
  that's very common in psychology. It's funny how you're how you're saying that and
• 56:14
  presenting your own evidence of just go out there and uh and uh and approach
• 56:22
  women and you'll you'll get and you'll have you know, after a year of
• 56:25
  rejection, you'll thirteen percent of you might have a short term long term relationship.
• 56:31
  Yeah, that's uh, what was the effect size? I don't even
• 56:37
  think he presented that with his evidence, his so called evidence, which was
• 56:42
  I think just an internet polly. But here's here's the other thing. He
• 56:45
  didn't even ask, well, what what what was the what was the rate
• 56:50
  of any kind of negative experience in terms of false accusation, abusive rejections,
• 56:54
  or group harassment as a result of rejection, or social like social false accusation.
• 57:00
  No, you didn't even ask that. All right, let's keep it.
• 57:05
  Yes, that's asking too much, all right, let's keep going,
• 57:07
  somemes. The differences are relatively small. But I don't know if people always
• 57:13
  understand that when they're just reading the abstract or the results initially, that just
• 57:16
  because there's a significant effect, it doesn't always mean that it's a meaningful or
• 57:21
  a large effect. Yeah, William's most recent study, I've got part of
• 57:25
  the abstract here, in cells significantly overestimate the importance of physical attractiveness and financial
• 57:30
  prospects to women, and underestimated the importance of intelligence, kindness, and humor
• 57:35
  in cells underestimated women's overall minimum mate preference standards as well. Okay, wait
• 57:40
  a second, but you're already saying that in cells don't have those things.
• 57:45
  Yeah, Like, it doesn't freaking matter. You know that being social is
• 57:51
  also an effect of high risk tolerance. You know, extroverted people have high
• 57:58
  risk tolerance. They have high tolerance for social anxieties. Us introverted people aren't
• 58:06
  necessarily capable always. I mean, some like Ryan can overcome it, but
• 58:10
  we're not always capable. And I overcome social it took it. It took
• 58:15
  me. It took me years, though, like this is, this is,
• 58:17
  like this is you know, it's a process, so it's not like
• 58:22
  something you can just turn off. And and I'm sure that a lot of
• 58:24
  you know, I think that in cels. Well, I don't want to
• 58:28
  say that. I think that lonely people men and women could benefit from some
• 58:36
  like exposure therapy if they don't want to be around people like or if they
• 58:39
  don't deal well with it, like my wife and I say, and I
• 58:43
  say this, I love her to death, but you know, she doesn't
• 58:45
  do social stuff often. So like she does, She's not the kind of
• 58:50
  person that will let's say that people are getting off work and everyone's like,
• 58:54
  oh, we're going to go out, right, She's not the type to
• 58:57
  go out with a group, even if she knows some of them or she's
• 59:00
  acquaintances. But she wants to so you know, sometimes I will, well,
• 59:07
  we'll both go and I'll sort of like be a social wingman for her.
• 59:13
  And I think that she even and I look a lot of times I've
• 59:16
  known friends and maybe you guys in the chat know people like this that where
• 59:20
  I'm like, we're gonna go out and do this thing, and they don't
• 59:22
  want to and they're like they could even be kind of hostile, and really
• 59:27
  resis like I don't want to go anywhere, I don't want to do anything.
• 59:30
  I don't want to like be around other people. And then you drag
• 59:32
  them out there and they're there for a bit and they're like they're very grateful
• 59:36
  that they went, Oh, you know what, I'm really glad I went.
• 59:37
  I don't know why I didn't want to go out. And sometimes that's
• 59:39
  what it takes. You just gotta gotta get over that hump. But notice
• 59:44
  I'm saying all this not at all in a romantic context. So I think
• 59:47
  that the social thing is it's a it's a pretext that people need to get
• 59:53
  through. And I think that again with because, for lack of a better
• 59:59
  term, the in cell community or population, a lot of these guys they're
• 1:00:07
  they're not just like socially awkward, they're not just shy. They're not just
• 1:00:12
  like afraid of breaking like norms. They they also have like physical and psychological
• 1:00:21
  and mental problems or disabilities and the truth is and yeah, yeah, and
• 1:00:27
  traumas and all that. Yeah, all that stuff they're on, they're they're
• 1:00:30
  medicated, whatever it is. They have a bunch of issues that are a
• 1:00:36
  big obstacle, like not just in socializing but in life. Right. I
• 1:00:42
  remember there was someone in the in the comments if you see the one guy
• 1:00:45
  I think you shared his comment about him being blind and that. Yeah,
• 1:00:52
  so there was one guy who commented on our last video and he was talking
• 1:00:53
  about how he is, you know, he doesn't consider himself a looker,
• 1:00:58
  and he's old and he's blind, and so he saw that as an obstacle.
• 1:01:04
  Now he's married. So I mean, I'm not saying, look that
• 1:01:07
  guy even you know it worked out for him or whatever, because but like
• 1:01:12
  the point is is that these are real obstacles. Like you, like,
• 1:01:16
  if you're a blind guy, or if you have I don't know, if
• 1:01:21
  you're autistic, or if you are or you have a deformity or whatever it
• 1:01:25
  is, you're really short, you don't even have to be like you know
• 1:01:30
  that you're gonna struggle. Okay, Well let's let's look at what they're saying
• 1:01:34
  here. Yeah, all right, Okay, So what you're saying to these
• 1:01:37
  guys who are striking out rather than being something like looks, which does have
• 1:01:43
  a huge effect, don't don't bullshit? Definitely, you know, like I'm
• 1:01:51
  just finding hilarious because I've known guys like this in life and I am invisible
• 1:01:57
  to them. I'm not saying that I I uh, that's uh, that's
• 1:02:00
  that's necessarily like I'm condemning them for it. I'm just I'm just not the
• 1:02:06
  kind of woman like a guy like this is all interested in. Like I
• 1:02:10
  guarantee, I could probably walk up to him and talk to him and he
• 1:02:14
  would not even notice that I exist at all, and he has the audacity
• 1:02:17
  to say, oh, looks are not that important? Bullshit? Bullshit.
• 1:02:23
  Yeah, I'm not just saying this is as like, from from the point
• 1:02:27
  of view of a guy who is you know, mid an in cel's who's
• 1:02:30
  struggling with with getting a relationship. Because I have a relationship. I'm saying
• 1:02:37
  this from the point of view of one of the girls or women that you've
• 1:02:39
  probably known in your life that you completely overlook. You're full of shit.
• 1:02:45
  Not only are looks incredibly important to a guy like you, in my experience.
• 1:02:51
  They're why you've gotten where you've gone gotten to. So don't give this.
• 1:02:55
  Don't give us mids and and uggs. You're bullshit about what's being unimportant.
• 1:03:01
  Okay, yeah, somebody who's been so frickin' blessed bullshit. Okay,
• 1:03:08
  anyway, I'm sorry. This just really pisses me on. It pisses me
• 1:03:12
  on behalf of insults. But here's the other thing. Okay, listen to
• 1:03:15
  what they're saying. It's not looks that are keeping you from women. You're
• 1:03:22
  just a flawed human being, like your's your personality. It's something fundamental to
• 1:03:25
  who you are, like your your your kindness, your humor, it's just
• 1:03:32
  your basic worth as a human being, that's you know, your You just
• 1:03:37
  don't have it, Like I can honestly see why in cells maybe overfocus on
• 1:03:42
  looks because the alternative is to think of themselves as being utterly worthless nothings.
• 1:03:49
  Okay mm hm, And what is your alternative here for in cels to recognize
• 1:03:54
  that it isn't their looks, it's fundamental aspects of who they are that are
• 1:04:00
  the problem. Good God, what does you want insults to do here?
• 1:04:05
  Okay? All right, it's it's a fundamental aspect of who I am.
• 1:04:10
  That's the problem. How do I change that? Oh, you're not gonna
• 1:04:14
  give them any help doing that. They're not give them any steps to change
• 1:04:16
  this fundamental part of who they are. So you're just gonna leave them.
• 1:04:20
  You're gonna rip away the Oh, at least I have some companionship. At
• 1:04:28
  least I have sort of an identity. At least I don't feel like it's
• 1:04:31
  fundamentally my fault that I'm not being chosen, That it isn't a fundamental problem
• 1:04:36
  with myself. I mean, you talk I talked about risk ad version being
• 1:04:40
  a personality trait. So is extra version. So is being funny, so
• 1:04:45
  is being kind in whatever way that this guy thinks it is all right.
• 1:04:49
  Those are all personality traits that are difficult to change. So you're now saying
• 1:04:56
  it's not just your looks that are the problem. And everybody knows that that
• 1:04:59
  that is part of the proble. They just don't want to admit it because
• 1:05:00
  it makes them seem shallow. It's fundamentally who you are as a person,
• 1:05:04
  and I'm going to tell you that, and you should recognize that you as
• 1:05:09
  an insul you should recognize the real problem is who you are fundamentally as a
• 1:05:13
  person. And also you shouldn't have an identity. You shouldn't take any kind
• 1:05:17
  of identity from being an insul and from your friendships with other instels. I'm
• 1:05:20
  going to tell you all that. And when I rip away everything that's keeping
• 1:05:26
  your guts in, Well, why are you such a coward? Bro?
• 1:05:30
  Just approach a woman, good lord, Like when I present it that way,
• 1:05:36
  when I'm telling you what he's actually doing. Yeah, yeah, it's
• 1:05:41
  kind of it's kind of gross. Yeah, it is growed. Okay,
• 1:05:45
  play some more grody. I got the ick. Yeah. And of course
• 1:05:54
  that's part of basically that whole black pill ideology that looks reigned supreme and and
• 1:05:59
  you could say that, and there's some research that he said, he said,
• 1:06:03
  there is some research to support that. Yeah, women like they want
• 1:06:11
  attractive men just like men want attractive women because they want I mean, that's
• 1:06:15
  like desirable. But the difference is I think men are more willing to settle
• 1:06:19
  in general. Yeah, they're more willing to settle. And also, like
• 1:06:26
  he's talking about this, and there's another thing that a lot of women find
• 1:06:30
  attractive men savaging other men let you. And it's it's a dark aspect of
• 1:06:38
  women, like maybe they're dark aspects of men. This is a really it
• 1:06:44
  is a different kind of sexual selection, right if you want to get like
• 1:06:47
  really technical, Like like in a in a thriving society where meritocracy reigns supreme,
• 1:06:58
  a man who like earns the most or shows his ability to provide and
• 1:07:03
  protect women through his you know, ambition and his ability to maybe build a
• 1:07:10
  business or acquire resources or whatever through through a cooperative system like you know,
• 1:07:16
  like a free market system, women are going to be attracted to that guy.
• 1:07:20
  But when those things are lacking, then it's instead the man that women
• 1:07:27
  are most drawn to is the man that's more able to crush another man's skull.
• 1:07:32
  Because that's like a different you know what I mean. So women are
• 1:07:35
  going to support what they need and the environment. Like that's what it is
• 1:07:40
  in the hood, right, Like if you're or in this case, flatter
• 1:07:44
  women or throw other men of the bus to flatter women. Yeah, no,
• 1:07:49
  go ahead, in the hood, oh, I would saying in the
• 1:07:51
  hood, it's more like the latter that I said, Like, you know,
• 1:07:55
  if you're the strongest and the most violent and the most or at least
• 1:08:00
  the most able to meet out violence to protect a woman and her and her
• 1:08:04
  potential children, she is going to be drawn to you. And that because
• 1:08:10
  the environment I think demands that. But if you're a man who's like,
• 1:08:14
  you know, getting educated and he wants a good job or whatever, that
• 1:08:19
  might not work as well in that context unless he like goes somewhere else.
• 1:08:24
  So it just depends. It's like, you know, it's just it depends
• 1:08:28
  on the environment to some degree. But I think that women are ready to
• 1:08:32
  make that switch. Like, look at what's going on in Ukraine. Okay,
• 1:08:35
  so we got this Ukraine Russia thing going on, and all men between
• 1:08:40
  the ages of like eighteen and sixty five had to stay and fight in Ukraine
• 1:08:45
  and to fight in the wars. And I think the Russians did something similar
• 1:08:47
  to So it's not like I'm only saying this about Ukraine because Russian men are
• 1:08:50
  also men. But what are the women in Ukraine do? Well, they
• 1:08:55
  basically were allowed to leave, and what do they do? A lot of
• 1:08:57
  them went to other countries like Germany, and they just hooked up with other
• 1:09:00
  dudes. They just they were like, well, if my man dies you
• 1:09:03
  know out there, he's just not fit. I'm gonna find a man who's
• 1:09:06
  fit. Or if if a country of a tribe is conquered by another tribe,
• 1:09:11
  the men are all murdered, the children are often also murdered, and
• 1:09:15
  the women just wipe those guys up. And I'm not saying it's mean or
• 1:09:18
  whatever. I'm just saying it's the reality. It's a different it's a survival
• 1:09:21
  strategy for women to do that, and so they will. And so if
• 1:09:26
  you just, you know, you take this ancient way of behaving and then
• 1:09:31
  you just shift it to the modern like lens and women haven't changed that much.
• 1:09:36
  If the context demands it, then they'll just go with it. And
• 1:09:41
  I can't even blame him for it. It's not like about pointing the finger.
• 1:09:44
  It's just the reality. And I don't think this guy can see that.
• 1:09:46
  Because one thing that these guys haven't done, and I don't think they
• 1:09:49
  ever do, is say, well, here's what women do. It's all
• 1:09:54
  just like here's what men should be doing, without really taking the account what
• 1:09:59
  women are doing. Just like the whole segment on relationships was was really about,
• 1:10:04
  well, these are the other additional hoops that you have to jump through
• 1:10:08
  once you're in a relationship guys, which is a great point that Karen made
• 1:10:11
  a few episodes ago. You know a lot of guys who have these kinds
• 1:10:15
  of anxiety. It's not just the approach, it's the fact it's the continually
• 1:10:19
  escalating expectations that cause him anxiety. Anyway, let's finish this off because we're
• 1:10:26
  late, right. I don't think we're going to get very far into that.
• 1:10:28
  No, maybe not, but that's okay, we'll finish the insult section.
• 1:10:30
  At least, they're very important. No one can deny that they're up
• 1:10:32
  there as far as the hierarchy goes. But if you say only looks matter
• 1:10:36
  and everything else doesn't contribute at all, that's not a very good picture either.
• 1:10:42
  I did am meta analysis looking at lifetime sexual partners and physical attractiveness,
• 1:10:48
  and the effect was very small. They had a hedges g of zero point
• 1:10:51
  one four. So it's like, okay, speaking more, it means a
• 1:10:57
  very small effect. So can you stop? Yeah, okay? And did
• 1:11:01
  you control for desire for multiple sexual partners, like, because there's probably attractive
• 1:11:09
  men who don't want to fuck every woman they meet. Mm hmm, you
• 1:11:15
  know, so like this this, this doesn't sound like it's really that.
• 1:11:23
  And also sexual partners versus having any at all, that's a good question.
• 1:11:27
  I don't think any in cels say only looks matter either. I think that's
• 1:11:30
  a little bit of a straw man going on there. I think that in
• 1:11:33
  cells do put uh again, I hate to say that word, but they
• 1:11:39
  do put maybe a little bit too much value in or too much stock in
• 1:11:44
  the looks. But I understand why because that's the initial impression. It's like
• 1:11:49
  how how a man gets his foot in the door is his looks. Honestly,
• 1:11:54
  they don't know what kind of man you are. They don't like,
• 1:11:57
  yeah, go ahead. It's also less personal, yes, like you know,
• 1:12:00
  it's your looks, right, Okay, that's okay. No, it's
• 1:12:03
  your personality, dude, it's your person okay. So something that's even more
• 1:12:08
  difficult to change, because the thing with looks is you can get plastic surgery.
• 1:12:12
  It is really difficult to change your personality. And if your personality is
• 1:12:16
  unlikable or unattractive, that that, like, what do you do with that
• 1:12:20
  except just curl up and die? Like I mean, I guess you can
• 1:12:25
  try to shift some of it with with like, if you have support from
• 1:12:31
  the community around you, you can start to maybe bring out your the aspects
• 1:12:36
  of your personality that come out when you feel loved and supported that But how
• 1:12:44
  are you gonna do that for in cells? At the same time as saying,
• 1:12:45
  yeah, you got to give up your identity, you got to give
• 1:12:47
  up your friendships with other insults, the better way to approach is really what
• 1:12:53
  Brian was saying. Tell the in cels or look at the in cells in
• 1:12:57
  the situation, encourage them to are and they probably already do this, really
• 1:13:02
  to start helping each other. They absolutely do that. Yeah, you know,
• 1:13:08
  I've actually seen that. I think I know they moderate their own communities.
• 1:13:13
  You know, they express concern for each other. And that's the thing
• 1:13:15
  with the creation of the identity. When you create an identity, you start
• 1:13:20
  to have compassion to other people who share. You're basically saying, yeah,
• 1:13:25
  you, you and I we share a simpatico. So I'm gonna have sympathy
• 1:13:30
  for you, and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go out of my way
• 1:13:34
  to try to help you. That's really what an identity is about. It's
• 1:13:38
  like a belonging group. We get a sense of belonging and we start to
• 1:13:41
  care about the people in that group that we're part of. And what you're
• 1:13:45
  saying is, yeah, and soul them, you know, Well, they
• 1:13:46
  should get rid of that. No, I think they should take it further.
• 1:13:51
  I think they should start really helping each other as really trying to bring
• 1:13:58
  up the socialness of their community. I think that the best thing would be
• 1:14:02
  to create, like, go to where the community is, maybe build something
• 1:14:09
  within it, have them help you with it, and I think you'll see
• 1:14:13
  some I think you could see some good results. I think that instead of
• 1:14:16
  shaming them or trying to isolate them or criticize them or whatever, you should
• 1:14:23
  their identity. Yeah, join them, That's what I'm saying. Join them,
• 1:14:27
  Go be among them, Yeah, Alex, the gorillas you know over,
• 1:14:32
  Yes, go and befriend them, befriend them and find out what they
• 1:14:36
  really you know, and don't don't worry about trying to fix them right away.
• 1:14:41
  Don't. Yeah, don't worry about trying to fix them right away.
• 1:14:43
  Just talk to them, Listen to them, and then like see if like
• 1:14:45
  any of them, you know, and I'm sure they do, like want
• 1:14:48
  to build something maybe and help them build it and and they'll feel Yeah,
• 1:14:55
  go ahead. I wonder what Alex p Syke's girlfriend looks like. I don't
• 1:14:58
  know, does he have a girlfriend. He probably keeps it secret. But
• 1:15:02
  should I play some more? We're almost at the end of this section,
• 1:15:05
  I think, yeah, of the in cel section. I'll play some more
• 1:15:10
  and send us some super chats. Guys, I'm waiting on super chows and
• 1:15:14
  super chats and and rumble rants, and I'm not seeing anything. Kind of
• 1:15:17
  hurts my feelings a little bit. Feed badger chan so that you know she
• 1:15:24
  stays well fed. But also still, yeah, I feel like that maybe
• 1:15:30
  you know, maybe it's just not a good day for you. That's okay
• 1:15:31
  too, all right, let's play some more. So if it's point three
• 1:15:35
  in psychology, that's about average, so we're looking at something that's pretty small.
• 1:15:39
  So it's kind of like, uh, yeah, more attractive man.
• 1:15:43
  They have more sexual partners over the lifetime, but not very much. It's
• 1:15:45
  not a really big big difference. So there's other things going on there.
• 1:15:48
  A lot of those are behavioral, how do you mean, with a lot
• 1:15:50
  of sexual partners act differently, and they might be a big difference, might
• 1:15:55
  be they seek them out, there's larger effects for something like behavioral dominance for
• 1:15:59
  itself. Well do you okay, wait, wait wait, he says,
• 1:16:02
  it's all there's a lot of mites and maybes, so we don't know if
• 1:16:06
  any of this is certainly behavioral dominance. Yeah, behavioral dominance. Uh.
• 1:16:13
  Kind of aggression, interpersonal aggression, male male competition, even things like athleticism
• 1:16:18
  and sports, participating in a competitive sport, those are things actually that predict
• 1:16:23
  having more sexual partners better than physical attractiveness does. And again this can kind
• 1:16:27
  of go back to risk aversion and impulsiveness, risk seeking that men who might
• 1:16:31
  seek out those environments, they're typically not the kind of man that are afraid
• 1:16:34
  to approach women and shoot their shot up. All right, wow, he
• 1:16:42
  said a lot. That just completely good Lord, And I want to remind
• 1:16:47
  you when you say all that, though, don't you aren't you literally saying
• 1:16:51
  all the things that we are told are bad about men, about masculinity,
• 1:16:57
  all of the things that are constantly under attack, being an being, athletic,
• 1:17:04
  risk taking behavior, right, being a Well, he calls it relational
• 1:17:10
  aggression, but I think competitive in sports, I don't think that that's generally
• 1:17:18
  aggressive, even like guys that fight each other like they yeah yeah, like
• 1:17:24
  no. I mean if you watch like a professional like an MMA fight or
• 1:17:27
  a boxing match, unless those guys are children, you know, like upstairs,
• 1:17:32
  they will like hug it out or shake hands at the end, no
• 1:17:35
  matter who wins. I just want to point out. Okay, first of
• 1:17:40
  all, we got I got into a conversation with this dude on Twitter,
• 1:17:43
  and he said when I pointed out that there's going to be some men who
• 1:17:45
  don't approach women because they don't want to make an uncomfortable situation for women,
• 1:17:50
  he was like, well those are He essentially took that concept and said so
• 1:17:58
  so somebody or he didn't even say somebody, but there it may be that
• 1:18:01
  men don't want to approach women because they're they're afraid of making them uncomfortable.
• 1:18:05
  But there certainly don't have a problem with that. Online herbidert, Yeah,
• 1:18:10
  well like, okay, so what have you just said here, dude?
• 1:18:14
  What have you just said? Men who are behaviorally aggressive get more female attention.
• 1:18:23
  That is the big thing, that is the big differentiator. I agree
• 1:18:27
  with to quote Dave Rubin, I agree with that. Uh okay, let's
• 1:18:33
  look at that. Let's unpack it. So we have constructed a system in
• 1:18:38
  which only the most behaviorally aggressive men now feel free to approach. And you
• 1:18:44
  know why, Okay, it's because these guys don't take no. They just
• 1:18:47
  keep going. You know, they're on a spectrum. Some of them are
• 1:18:51
  just, I guess, charmingly roguish. Some of them are outright rapists.
• 1:18:56
  Okay, they're on a spectrum of men who don't have the same controls,
• 1:19:00
  the same They don't apply by the same social norms because they don't care.
• 1:19:05
  I mean, maybe some of them are compassionate disagreeables, but probably a lot
• 1:19:11
  of them aren't. They just don't care. They don't care what the woman
• 1:19:14
  feels. They don't care if she they don't like her, they don't see
• 1:19:16
  her as a real person. So they just keep going. And what we
• 1:19:20
  have constructed now is a system that absolutely rewards these men and does not reward
• 1:19:27
  the men who abide by social norms. Okay, doesn't reward the men who
• 1:19:31
  are actually concerned about rejection. And concern about rejection, if you think about
• 1:19:35
  it, is the concern about being considered socially unacceptable. That's what fear of
• 1:19:42
  rejection is. It's fear of being socially unacceptable. Right, So, men
• 1:19:48
  who are afraid of being regarded as socially unacceptable, men who have high degree
• 1:19:54
  of humiliation, who can be shamed more easily, you know, the kind
• 1:19:58
  of guys who would genuinely put their work, put themselves to the grindstone to
• 1:20:03
  build something in a social context. Right, These are the kind of guys
• 1:20:09
  that we are now selecting against in the dating pool. And your solution is,
• 1:20:14
  hi, bro, psychomax Like seriously, yeah, psychomax, max out
• 1:20:24
  your psychopathy, Like what the hell? No, No, the solution to
• 1:20:30
  this is not telling these conscientious men, these socially conscientious men, oh yeah,
• 1:20:36
  become more of a sociopath. The solution is to change it so that
• 1:20:43
  they have a clearer path to a relationship and positive participation in family and community.
• 1:20:49
  Because I can tell you right now, we don't need more sociopaths breeding.
• 1:20:55
  Yeah, we don't. We don't need Yeah, we don't need we
• 1:21:00
  don't need a society of Patrick Bateman's Alex Like seriously, right here, he's
• 1:21:06
  just basically like, there's nothing more that needs to be said about what what
• 1:21:10
  he has to participate here to contribute. Men who are behaviorally aggressive are more
• 1:21:15
  successful. They're they're more mistaking, They're more likely so men who are conscientious,
• 1:21:20
  men who are socially aware, men who are you know, like they
• 1:21:26
  want to participate, participate positively like they don't want to be to do something
• 1:21:34
  that results in them being socially unacceptable. They want to participate positively. No,
• 1:21:40
  those guys need to learn to be more like Patrick Bates Bateman. Yes,
• 1:21:45
  you got a baits Max Everyone, Yeah, you gotta you gotta Patrick
• 1:21:49
  Max, Patrick, Max cool it with the anti semitic remarks. All right,
• 1:21:56
  Uh, I got a super I got a super chow yeh from playing
• 1:22:00
  Dane. He says, remember Boco Haram. They slaughtered all them men and
• 1:22:05
  boys, and when the women are asked to be saved, they declined.
• 1:22:09
  I've said in the past that women aren't as loyal to their tribe slash nation,
• 1:22:13
  slash people. That explains why they're more ecophobic. Instead of being killed,
• 1:22:16
  they're captured and assimilate. That's why studies show they're better at learning how
• 1:22:20
  new language is. Loyalty is a masculine trait, and that's a hill I'll
• 1:22:25
  die I think he meant to say, I'll die on thank you playing Dane
• 1:22:29
  for that bit of wisdom from the for the super chow, and here is
• 1:22:35
  a jumping badger chan for you. There you go. When I get boob
• 1:22:42
  physics, I'll improve that. But I don't have that right now. I'm
• 1:22:45
  working on it, though, I'm working on it. Okay, So let's
• 1:22:49
  see, it's about six. Lindsay gets out of work at seven, so
• 1:22:54
  I got a little bit of time. You want me to play a different
• 1:22:56
  section. That's the end of the in cell section. So I mean he's
• 1:23:00
  just basically undermined his entire point. Yeah, he'd okay. So the most
• 1:23:03
  successful men are behaviorally aggressive. Here's the solution, guys, just psychomax yep,
• 1:23:11
  yeah, yeah, let's let's just get rid of social men who are
• 1:23:14
  socially conscientious. That's a personality flaw. You need to you need to learn
• 1:23:18
  to be more. You need to not care about women's opinion as much.
• 1:23:25
  Don't worry about them rejecting you, uh, you know, because they're objects
• 1:23:29
  anyway, you know, just just just basically they're just vending machines. Just
• 1:23:33
  keep putting, putting a coin in until you get something like this is not
• 1:23:38
  productive and this solution is not going to improve anything. I really hope that
• 1:23:44
  the psychomaxing solution doesn't catch on. Right, we don't want that. We
• 1:23:49
  don't want that. Don't want that. Can you imagine? Like all?
• 1:23:55
  I mean, but again, like even if that started happening, there would
• 1:24:00
  be discussions not about why are women picking these guys? Because the only way
• 1:24:03
  that's going to catch on is if women actually start selecting men for that,
• 1:24:06
  right. Well they do to some degree, yeah, but I mean I'm
• 1:24:11
  saying like if that happens, no one's gonna be You're not gonna see like,
• 1:24:15
  you know, these guys sitting around going why are there so many psychos
• 1:24:17
  out here? And why are they getting women? Like there, they're gonna
• 1:24:20
  be like why aren't why are men doing this? Why are what? Instead
• 1:24:24
  of asking why are women? Why are women kicking these men? Yeah?
• 1:24:29
  Okay, we know they are picking these men because basically that I don't know.
• 1:24:32
  But we we have this situation where we have constructed this sort of mating
• 1:24:38
  system where you basically have to have at least like nine psycho units out of
• 1:24:43
  ten, like nine sociopathy out of ten to get on the ride. And
• 1:24:46
  at the end we're like, well, why are why are all the all
• 1:24:49
  the men who women have available to them psychos. It's not even that they're
• 1:24:55
  picking them. It's like this, this entire system is incentivizing psychos. Well
• 1:25:01
  at least yeah, I mean at least like it's it just sort of points
• 1:25:08
  to what women are looking for. That's all I'm saying, like, you
• 1:25:11
  know, like they're they and I think that what it's not doing is asking
• 1:25:15
  like well no, But the thing is too this is I think this is
• 1:25:18
  also important. This is still only in the context of guys getting laid and
• 1:25:25
  going on dates. This is not about guys like finding a partner. So
• 1:25:29
  there's a I think the criteria is different, right because women will be like
• 1:25:33
  playing the field and they'll be looking for one type of guy, but then
• 1:25:39
  when it's time to settle down, they're looking for a different type of guy,
• 1:25:43
  whereas guys, I think, I mean, that's that there's the issue,
• 1:25:47
  and that's the thing that's not being discussed. There's no because again,
• 1:25:51
  you know, like talking about marriage and family is like foreboten, like you
• 1:25:56
  can't like even though that is where everybody tends to move to, but you're
• 1:26:00
  not supposed to talk about it because you know, we had our sexual revolution.
• 1:26:04
  We're supposed to consider all of this completely optional, but we also insist
• 1:26:09
  on future generations that we don't even know are going to exist to basically supply
• 1:26:13
  us with, you know, everything that it keeps our country running the way
• 1:26:16
  it is. So they're coming through. Okay, Yeah, I can hear
• 1:26:20
  you right now. Why something happens like my bars look weird, But I
• 1:26:25
  just had a thought like the behaviorally aggressive have more sex partners? Yeah,
• 1:26:30
  well, how how many of those are consensual? Though? Alex? Yeah,
• 1:26:36
  okay, all right, let's go to uh, the red pill thing.
• 1:26:41
  It's kind of a bigger section, but we'll do some of it.
• 1:26:43
  Okay, I got to stop at six point thirty though, So all right,
• 1:26:45
  let's see what is this? Yeah, what is the red pill doing
• 1:26:48
  to marriage? Ring tweet earlier on today about what the red pill is doing
• 1:26:54
  to marriage? No, No, so, Jeremy Boring, CEO of the
• 1:26:57
  Daily Wire, He's been featured on a lot of the productions and stuff,
• 1:27:00
  he said, what what the red pill is doing to marriage? Basically sort
• 1:27:03
  of degrading marriage, saying that it's a bad deal for man, et cetera,
• 1:27:08
  et cetera. You've looked at a good chunk of this, right,
• 1:27:10
  what's happening with marriage and divorces? Like, what are the real stats that
• 1:27:15
  people are missing here? Sure? So yeah, as far as the red
• 1:27:18
  pill goes, it's you know, there's no problem T Tom's festival, Like,
• 1:27:23
  this is what this is. Let's just have a T Toms festival as
• 1:27:28
  a new Brazil. High Brazil is sinking. This is a reference to Eric
• 1:27:32
  Eric the Red So it's not a Monty Python movie. But I know that
• 1:27:38
  I know it Eric. I thought it was Eric the Viking with Tim Robbins.
• 1:27:42
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, So High Brazil is sinking, and instead
• 1:27:45
  of recognizing what's going on, they're saying, well, High Brazil is never
• 1:27:50
  sunk in the history of High Brazil. Therefore, blah blah blah, this
• 1:27:54
  is what is happening here. Yes, marriage has become a bad deal for
• 1:28:00
  men, and most men are seeing that. And it's you don't have to
• 1:28:06
  be read like you can see this without ever encountering any red pill content.
• 1:28:13
  The only thing that red pill guys are doing or saying, yeah that this
• 1:28:16
  is something that's happening. All right, let's keep going. All right,
• 1:28:20
  let's play some more cechnical narratives. Particularly in the context of marriage. And
• 1:28:26
  it's you know, not a homogeneous ideology or set of beliefs or whatever,
• 1:28:30
  but you do see, well that's fair, thank you. Divorce. That
• 1:28:34
  opting just says, you know, fifty or sixty percent of people get divorced.
• 1:28:38
  It's mostly initiated by women. Okay, but there are individual difference.
• 1:28:43
  Huh, it's about seventy five percent. Yeah, it's it's like seventy plus
• 1:28:49
  percesan who gets divorced and who doesn't, you know, for every married man
• 1:28:55
  across the board. And I think this is something that gets wrong. The
• 1:28:57
  risk of being divorced is not fifty that's going to be determined a great deal
• 1:29:01
  by the individual characteristics within that relationship. You know what kind of things contribute
• 1:29:06
  to divorce. Infidelity is a big one. Okay, stop, all right,
• 1:29:11
  so the individual characteristics you mean the woman? Right? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:29:16
  what is it that he's saying here? Ah, I think I think
• 1:29:21
  he's gonna say, well, we should listen, so don't respond to what
• 1:29:25
  I'm saying. But I think he's going to say something like, well,
• 1:29:29
  if men don't cheat, you know what I mean. So let's see alcohol,
• 1:29:33
  Because he said infidelity alcohol abuse is a big one economic problems. So
• 1:29:40
  just by avoiding you know, simple things that you know, I bet economic
• 1:29:44
  problem is really high up there though. Really, Like if a man loses
• 1:29:47
  his job, Yeah, that's probably number one. Like if a guy loses
• 1:29:51
  his job or he gets you know, he has to like take up pay
• 1:29:57
  cut or something because of this economy, because of the job market, because
• 1:30:01
  of COVID stuff whatever, that's probably a big one. I've seen the stats
• 1:30:08
  I've seen. Okay, first of all, just don't go. Unemployment by
• 1:30:13
  the man is number one around the world. Yeah, okay, So what
• 1:30:16
  he's saying is here, dude, if you just avoid losing your job,
• 1:30:21
  you'll be fine. Yeah, hey, you'll die married. Also alcoholism,
• 1:30:27
  if you just avoid marrying an alcoholic you'll be fine, right, or just
• 1:30:30
  not or overcome a disease. That disease, Oh you'll be fine. What
• 1:30:35
  was the other one? Uh? In fidelity, let her cheat on you,
• 1:30:40
  bro, okay, or just don't cheat? I guess I think I
• 1:30:44
  think the implication is that he the man is going to cheat. Yeah,
• 1:30:48
  the implication is the man is going to leave the woman because she lost her
• 1:30:51
  job. The man is going to cheat. Heard an alcoholic. Yeah,
• 1:30:56
  I heard, No, I heard. I don't think it was this video,
• 1:30:59
  but there was another one I saw where they were talking about infidelity being
• 1:31:02
  a big cause, and what it was saying is that a women learn that
• 1:31:06
  their meant their husbands cheat and then they divorce their husband. So whoever files
• 1:31:11
  the divorce papers is not because women initiate most divorces, like over seventy percent
• 1:31:15
  or Yeah, the assumption is that the infidelity is on the part of the
• 1:31:19
  man. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly, the woman is initiating the
• 1:31:23
  divorce. Doesn't mean she wasn't the one who cheated, But that's the implication.
• 1:31:27
  They're implying that the man did something wrong. Otherwise why would she Well
• 1:31:30
  it's actually actually no, that doesn't even make That doesn't actually make sense because
• 1:31:34
  if a man cheats, divorce is less likely to happen. So it must
• 1:31:39
  be a situation in which women are filing divorce after having cheated themselves. Okay,
• 1:31:45
  now here's the other thing. These are not the majority? Does he
• 1:31:48
  actually cover the majority reason? Boredom is the majority reason? At this point?
• 1:31:54
  It is? It is it's just like the woman gets bored her woman
• 1:31:58
  gets bored of her life. She wants a cheat. There's another way,
• 1:32:00
  another way of saying midlife crisis. So our woman feels like she hasn't I
• 1:32:05
  don't know, her life isn't exciting enough, she hasn't achieved enough. Whatever,
• 1:32:11
  midlife crisis and in divorce. Yeah, the midlife crisis can happen probably
• 1:32:15
  anytime in your thirties too. All right, let's listen, he's hear what
• 1:32:18
  he said. The major we're gonna cause a divorce flat out. Don't drink,
• 1:32:26
  don't get broken exactly. Okay, all right, all right, how
• 1:32:30
  the hell are men supposed to prevent themselves from losing their jobs? Yeah?
• 1:32:36
  Right, just don't drink, well, fucking an employee on the job,
• 1:32:41
  bro, and then you won't lord. And again, this isn't the majority.
• 1:32:45
  The majority is just simple boredom. Okay, And here's the problem.
• 1:32:50
  Yes, our relationship is not going to necessarily be a source of entertainment.
• 1:32:56
  You have to have hobbies. Ladies are initiated divorces because they don't have freaking
• 1:33:01
  hobbies. Right, Okay, what the hell is a man supposed to do
• 1:33:04
  with that? And what the hell is a man supposed to do if his
• 1:33:08
  wife is an alcoholic or his wife cheats, or he loses his job and
• 1:33:13
  his wife walks away. And if one percent the main reason why why people
• 1:33:18
  get divorced is because the husband loses his job, what the hell it?
• 1:33:23
  Men have to think about that? Mm hmm? Do you want to get
• 1:33:26
  married to a person who's gonna walk away if you lose your job? Like,
• 1:33:31
  honestly, have you actually really thought about that what that actually means?
• 1:33:39
  And then you turn it into a joke. Yep, but really think about
• 1:33:44
  it. That means a man's worth is in his paycheck and that and then
• 1:33:49
  and then you go in in the beginning and you say, well, insuls
• 1:33:53
  overestimate how much money matters to women? And right here you're saying, well,
• 1:34:00
  if you don't want to lose your wife, don't really a job.
• 1:34:02
  Also, if financial problems are a big contributor, and a lot of in
• 1:34:08
  cells have disabilities or other things that likely prevent them from working, how is
• 1:34:14
  that not a major factor? Right? Like, if you're if you're deaf
• 1:34:19
  or something and that prevents you from getting a lot of work, well then
• 1:34:24
  women are like why are like yeah, this this is completely understandable because women
• 1:34:30
  are not going to go for a guy that doesn't have everything like exactly the
• 1:34:32
  way they want it. Okay, So what we've found here reading between the
• 1:34:38
  lines is one, looks do matter, but what matters even more is behavioral
• 1:34:43
  aggression in men. And also don't finances matter a lot? How is this
• 1:34:48
  different from exactly what what what insults say, like maybe they wait looks more
• 1:34:55
  than behavioral aggression. I don't think they do that much though, And they
• 1:35:00
  also recognize that finances are up there, and they are. So if you
• 1:35:05
  want to be successful with women, you need to be good looking, you
• 1:35:10
  need to be behaviorally aggressive, and you need to make money. How is
• 1:35:13
  that different than what in cells say? Yep? And there are men out
• 1:35:18
  there who are upset that this is the case because it's all shallow, Like
• 1:35:26
  we've presented this notion of women as being these angels, these creatures that hover
• 1:35:31
  above men like beings of light and pureness and goodness, and no, actually
• 1:35:39
  they're selfish, carnal, and immoral. And I say that by and what
• 1:35:46
  I mean by that is people generally rise to the moral standard you hold them
• 1:35:50
  to, and we don't really hold women to any kind of moral standard when
• 1:35:55
  it comes to behavior. You're towards men like anything women do to men to
• 1:36:00
  excuse. We have an entire philosophy that's really about excusing it. Okay,
• 1:36:04
  So this is a lot of the anger is simply a result of being disillusioned
• 1:36:14
  about women. Yep, about recognizing that women aren't better than men. They
• 1:36:19
  aren't better people. Yeah, women want an attractive man with a big dick
• 1:36:26
  who makes a lot of money and is behaviorally aggressive. They have shallow,
• 1:36:31
  animalistic desires. They are not saints, they are not angels. They are
• 1:36:36
  not morally superior. Okay, let us let us acknowledge this and move on.
• 1:36:45
  Yeah. I think really, what this is, this entire debate is
• 1:36:50
  is that in cells are an abject material reminder that women as a group are
• 1:37:00
  not morally better than men. They do not have standards for their partners that
• 1:37:05
  are any less shallow than men's and perhaps even more shallow. Okay, the
• 1:37:13
  fact that in cells are part of the groups that have the group head that
• 1:37:15
  has not been chosen because they are not attractive, they are not behaviorally dominant,
• 1:37:21
  and they don't aren't employed. What's the real problem is that they are
• 1:37:28
  holding up a mirror to women's choices in partners and guys like this. Don't
• 1:37:34
  like it because it's a mirror that shows them Yep, greedy, psychic,
• 1:37:41
  psychopathic, hateful, but attractive. Like seriously, he didn't even notice what
• 1:37:49
  he was saying about in cells. Oh yeah, they have a set,
• 1:37:53
  they have some companionship, they have a sense of identity. But let's rip
• 1:37:57
  all of that away from them and make them recognize that they're fundamentally flawed as
• 1:38:00
  beings. And uh yeah, let's not. Let's just walk away from that.
• 1:38:04
  Don't offer any soft landing for that. Let's just do it and walk
• 1:38:09
  away. And that's that'll solve things. Well, I mean, it'll lead
• 1:38:12
  to a lot of in celts killing themselves. But that'll solve things, won't
• 1:38:15
  it. Mm hmm. I mean he didn't even recognize the horrible thing that
• 1:38:19
  he's suggesting to an entire group of very vulnerable men. Indeed, I want
• 1:38:28
  to play with some more. I got a super I got a super chow
• 1:38:32
  from Plain Dane for five dollars. Thank you. Plaine Dane have a jumping
• 1:38:36
  badger's hand, he says. Question for Alison, do you think something like
• 1:38:42
  may have liked? I think he meant to say, like this may have
• 1:38:45
  happened in the past. Has it ever been this severe because this extreme shallowness
• 1:38:49
  and avaricious attitude women have. I'm not much of a history buff like you,
• 1:38:54
  Allison, though I do love reading about the Mongol Empire and I know
• 1:38:57
  a lot about them. Yes, this has happened in the past. I
• 1:39:00
  think we are absolutely seeing how the Bronze Age destroyed itself, and we're also
• 1:39:06
  seeing how all of those genetic bottlenecks happened. There's like guys on Twitter who
• 1:39:13
  talk about how, you know, seventeen women reproduce for every one man.
• 1:39:18
  Those are genetic bottlenecks, guys. Those are very very isolated incidents where for
• 1:39:26
  whatever reason, human pair bonding collapsed, ca leap completely. And usually what
• 1:39:30
  happens is it starts to recover after these incidents, so it almost immediately goes
• 1:39:34
  back to one man, one woman, or generally that now a lot of
• 1:39:41
  some of the differential can also be explained that women have shorter generations, so
• 1:39:45
  you'll have five female ancestors for the same length of time as you have four
• 1:39:50
  male ancestors. This because women tend to have their children younger than men.
• 1:39:57
  But the thing is that those bottleneck think about it the researchers looking at those
• 1:40:02
  bottlenecks. So you have a situation like five women reproduce for every one man,
• 1:40:09
  and they're asking themselves, well, what are the other what are the
• 1:40:11
  men doing? They're there, but what are they doing? Well, I
• 1:40:14
  think what's happening in those bottlenecks is and we're seeing what's going on now is
• 1:40:18
  you have like five percent of women with one percent of men, and they're
• 1:40:25
  having children. The rest ninety five percent of women have cats and wine and
• 1:40:31
  nothing else in their lives, and about ninety nine percent of men. Half
• 1:40:36
  of those are probably in some kind of or may have actually ended up in
• 1:40:43
  a relationship with the other half, and the other half is either unix or
• 1:40:47
  femboys. I think that's what and that's what we're slowly seeing play out in
• 1:40:53
  our society that when you don't when you do not actually channel or create some
• 1:41:00
  kind of negotiation between women's hypergamy and the production of a beneficial society, you
• 1:41:10
  don't put any kind I don't want to say control, because I think that
• 1:41:13
  in a lot of cases it's women themselves that are controlling women's hypergamy. And
• 1:41:17
  I think what happened with Christian society is look at what Christians say is a
• 1:41:24
  dominant man. A dominant man is a man who upholds the moral standards,
• 1:41:30
  the Christian moral standards, which are honestly very similar to the Stoic moral standards,
• 1:41:36
  and that makes a man the head of his wife, like Christ is
• 1:41:41
  the head of the Church. So in the Christian framework, women's hypergamy is
• 1:41:46
  expressed through selecting spiritually advanced men who who produce and are pro social within their
• 1:41:58
  Christian communities. I just want to put that out now. I'm I'm not
• 1:42:01
  necessarily a Christian, I'm certainly not a religious Christian, but I just want
• 1:42:05
  to point that out that that's what that framework does. It satisfies women's hypergamy
• 1:42:12
  in a man who is seen as a spiritual head, and by spiritual I
• 1:42:17
  mean a man who has pursued the Christian values of like temperance, self control,
• 1:42:25
  grace. Now that doesn't mean that every Christian man is that, but
• 1:42:30
  it means that that is where Christian societies tend to channel women's hypergamy to a
• 1:42:38
  single man who is in the process of attempting to perfect himself spiritually. Yeah,
• 1:42:45
  just putting that out there, that seems really really pro social to me,
• 1:42:49
  really something that you could see as the foundation of societies that tend to
• 1:42:55
  be more peaceful and prosperous and focus on material innovation and that kind of almost
• 1:43:00
  like what you see Christian societies being. I'm just putting that out there.
• 1:43:05
  Yeah, Like I'm saying that there there's a particular landscape or particular philosophy,
• 1:43:12
  widespread social philosophy that led to the Enlightenment that led to the Renaissance, that
• 1:43:16
  led to the industrious Revolution and then the industrial Revolution, and then you know
• 1:43:20
  that this sort of led us through this process into the modern era. And
• 1:43:27
  I'm just saying there seems to be a connection there. But in our society,
• 1:43:30
  we can't question the hypergamy that women have, which means eventually we're gonna
• 1:43:36
  end up with world words God's art. It's it's like that that's where we're
• 1:43:44
  going. And it's it's really unfortunate because, uh, I think that a
• 1:43:49
  society in which women invest their sense of hypergamy their design, like hypergamy simply
• 1:43:57
  is women's desire that men have something more to bring to the table. That's
• 1:44:01
  it. Like, it hasn't really changed. Women are still want a man
• 1:44:08
  who makes more than them. They still want a man who's taller than them.
• 1:44:11
  They still want a man who's stronger than them. Like, none of
• 1:44:15
  that has changed. I'm sorry, it hasn't has not changed, right,
• 1:44:20
  I mean, maybe we could get into a world where women's women don't.
• 1:44:25
  They're okay with a guy who's shorter, They're okay with the guy who's weaker,
• 1:44:28
  They're okay with the guy who makes less whatever. Right, generally,
• 1:44:32
  even a man who has any of those characteristics has something that she respects more
• 1:44:38
  of. Right, maybe he's more morally advanced. And in fact, interestingly
• 1:44:43
  enough, I've been I've been working on editing my book with an editor,
• 1:44:49
  and the individual who I'm working with mentioned that in romance is the character in
• 1:44:57
  a romance, I presume the woman and tends to be tends to be attracted
• 1:45:02
  to someone who is on a higher level morally than themselves. What they what
• 1:45:08
  the the the the spectrum of morality is basically like child morality, which is
• 1:45:15
  do something so you don't get punished, and then you go up to do
• 1:45:18
  something because it's upholding the social social norms of society. And then you go
• 1:45:23
  to do something because it's upholding a particular, more abstract notion of justice.
• 1:45:28
  That's transcend of justice, transcendence idea of justice. Okay, so you you
• 1:45:33
  have these stages, and in romance, women are attracted to men who show
• 1:45:40
  a higher stage of moral development. Now the individual didn't specify women, but
• 1:45:45
  I think that's probably the case because it's really difficult for both parties to be
• 1:45:48
  attracted to the other party because they have a higher level of moral attainment.
• 1:45:53
  So this is something that is I mean, it's still there in our society
• 1:45:59
  that women are still want a man who has that kind of moral development.
• 1:46:08
  And it doesn't necessarily have to be like, I don't know, meditating on
• 1:46:12
  a hill. Maybe it's caring about other people more, you know, extending
• 1:46:18
  himself out to help others. You know, it doesn't like it does.
• 1:46:21
  Like literally, the hypergamy does not have to be big dick, giant shoulders
• 1:46:28
  smashing another man's skull in with a fucking club. I have a bleep from
• 1:46:34
  when you curse. Now, okay, next time, but I don't think
• 1:46:40
  I'll be quick enough to curse too quickly. I should, I should I
• 1:46:44
  should curb that. Fine, I'll just I'll just use the language button language,
• 1:46:51
  all right, But you know it's like, we don't have to like
• 1:46:55
  hypergamy if you think about it can be a force multiplier for positivity in a
• 1:47:00
  in a society, like look at like again Christian hypergamy. What do women
• 1:47:05
  what were women counseled to look for spiritually advancement? What do women apparently what
• 1:47:12
  do female characters in romance novels apparently look for? According to this editor And
• 1:47:17
  you know this is Normyville. So a man who has more moral attainment,
• 1:47:24
  you know, and that can be very beneficial to the society because when men
• 1:47:30
  are competing on a moral dimension, on an ethical dimension, on a dimension
• 1:47:33
  of cooperation and compassion, then we all benefit. But what the hell are
• 1:47:39
  women choosing now? They're choosing Alex psych a guy who's a making money off
• 1:47:47
  of eviscerating some of the most vulnerable men in society, yep. Or or
• 1:47:54
  they are going for these like Russian fit Andrew Tait types. And that's a
• 1:47:58
  thing, like you know, you can you can hate them if you want
• 1:48:00
  to, don't you Yeah, exactly, No, you can hate them if
• 1:48:04
  you want to. But there are women that are selecting for that type.
• 1:48:09
  And there are men who want women who will follow that. So this is
• 1:48:14
  this is, this is what women are doing, how they're responding, and
• 1:48:17
  men are responding to women. And you know this idea, this is something
• 1:48:21
  that I get from some of the people in the conservatives side, like men
• 1:48:25
  should just lead and women will follow. That's not happening, guys. It's
• 1:48:29
  not happening because because we've given women too much authority and no responsibility. So
• 1:48:34
  why would they need to Yeah, here's the other thing. This was always
• 1:48:39
  something women chose. I'm sorry. That was always something women chose, exactly,
• 1:48:43
  was always something women chose. Christians, Conservatives, women always chose to
• 1:48:50
  let men lead and they can unchoose it. And now that that is the
• 1:48:56
  problem and men can't do a day thing about it. M hm. That's
• 1:49:01
  what we've seen in the last however, many centuries, when women unchoose being
• 1:49:08
  led, there's very little men can do because in the end of the day,
• 1:49:14
  men only have the authority women give them. Yeah, so what do
• 1:49:18
  we do now? What how do we look at this truth and go forward
• 1:49:23
  in a positive way without continuing to piss on in cells? All right,
• 1:49:30
  let's keep you all right, let's do it. Well, A little bit
• 1:49:33
  more like, I'll do a little bit more and we gotta stop it pretty
• 1:49:36
  soon. But let's do a little bit more very basic things. Is going
• 1:49:40
  to drop the divorce rate way down. You know, if you look across
• 1:49:43
  the demographic groups, individuals a higher level of education. Okay, what do
• 1:49:48
  you think is going on? Do you think that men are deliberately going out
• 1:49:53
  and losing their job to get divorced? Do you think men are deliberately going
• 1:49:58
  out like you're not even and addressing the fact that the infidelity is also of
• 1:50:02
  women. Yes, it's all fake news. It's phony stuff. It didn't
• 1:50:08
  happen, all right. So One, the reason, the primary reason around
• 1:50:15
  the world why divorce happens is job loss. Men's job loss. Yes,
• 1:50:21
  it is completely awful for you to say, well, this is within men's
• 1:50:28
  control. You think that men are deliberately losing their jobs? Okay? Two?
• 1:50:34
  The second, as far as I know, this is actually the biggest
• 1:50:38
  reason is boredom. How are men supposed to entertain Like, relationships aren't supposed
• 1:50:45
  to be entertainment, right, So any woman who's leaving her relationship because she's
• 1:50:50
  bored is what do you do with that? It's a fundamental misunderstanding, a
• 1:50:57
  childish misunderstanding of relationships. You're supposed to entertain yourself, You're an adult.
• 1:51:03
  Okay, so what's a man supposed to do there, Kate learn, juggling
• 1:51:12
  whatever? All right, So and then you have infidelity. I'm not even
• 1:51:15
  going to address alcoholism, so freaking complex. It is a mental health issue.
• 1:51:21
  It's usually like compounded with like abuse, and you know, so let's
• 1:51:26
  not even go into issues of disease and mental health. Let's look at infidelity.
• 1:51:30
  You're not even addressing the fact that a significant portion of the infidelity that
• 1:51:35
  leads to divorce is women's. And the reason why I know that is because
• 1:51:40
  men's infidelity is less likely to lead to a divorce. Right, it's women's
• 1:51:45
  infidelity that is most often leading to divorce. Okay, you're not even addressing
• 1:51:48
  that. Nope. Well look here's the thing though, How would date psych
• 1:51:57
  be able to address women's part to play without endangering his own career? Because
• 1:52:04
  that would destroy him. If he said, ladies, you can need to
• 1:52:09
  do he would basically get the same treatment that a lot of us red pill
• 1:52:13
  people get. Right, and I put red pill quotes red pill. No,
• 1:52:17
  but I'm saying like this is why he This is what these dating coach
• 1:52:23
  guys know is that they can only really hold men to account and like make
• 1:52:28
  demands of men and put it on men. Put the onus on men,
• 1:52:32
  because if they do it to women, they're they're over. It's like it's
• 1:52:35
  misogyny automatically, and they a part of them has to know that. They
• 1:52:41
  have to know that, you know, who hold up half the sky,
• 1:52:44
  but if the sky falls, it's not their fault. Right, Well,
• 1:52:47
  men, why didn't you just put your back into it? Guys? Maybe
• 1:52:51
  because women hold up half the sky, which means when they stop doing it,
• 1:52:55
  it falls. Yeah. Yeah, you can't blame amen for that for
• 1:53:00
  something that women aren't doing. Okay, you gotta get going. Yeah we
• 1:53:04
  should stop. We'll stop it here. So, like, let me let
• 1:53:10
  me go back to the ya get something to eat. I've been fasting all
• 1:53:14
  day so I'm freaking hungry. Yeah, I want to you know what can
• 1:53:18
  I can I just really quick? Can you be my guinea pig for something?
• 1:53:23
  I want to test this new toy I got that I haven't had a
• 1:53:26
  chance to use today. I want you to tell me how I sound,
• 1:53:29
  if I sound okay, okay, moment a right, all right? It
• 1:53:34
  just it needs it needs a moment. We need we need some new new
• 1:53:39
  potential source of technical difficulties. All right. You know part of the reason
• 1:53:45
  why we have so much to technical difficulties is I think we can't help but
• 1:53:48
  like switch things out and change things, because like we're all artists here.
• 1:53:55
  Yeah, how do I sound right now? Oh? My god? I
• 1:53:58
  guess do I sound? Do I sound great? Do I sound good?
• 1:54:01
  Do I sound huge? How does it? How does that sound? Does
• 1:54:05
  it sound? Okay? What does it sound like? It sounds a bit
• 1:54:09
  like you're you're an old smoking or like, uh, you're you're about to
• 1:54:14
  go to the gym to find it? All right, let me let me
• 1:54:16
  try something, Let me try something else. Hold on, okay, this
• 1:54:19
  is fun, awesome? All right? Yeah? Okay? What is this
• 1:54:25
  this other thing you're trying? I haven't heard anything. Am I supposed to
• 1:54:30
  wait? I don't like waiting? Where is it? I can't hear anything?
• 1:54:35
  Is that a problem I have? I dropped? What's going on?
• 1:54:41
  Hello? Okay, Brian, I can't hear anything? All right? I
• 1:54:45
  just went back to normal. How does that sound? Okay? Okay?
• 1:54:48
  I don't know why you weren't able to hear it. People were saying huge
• 1:54:51
  in the chat. Yeah it's this. I get this thing that modifies your
• 1:54:56
  voice and it has it I can set like echo, but it also has
• 1:55:00
  an AI voice modifier, so you could put in like a celebrity or something.
• 1:55:06
  But I guess like you weren't able to hear that last one. I'll
• 1:55:12
  try one more, one more here and then yeah, we'll quit it here.
• 1:55:16
  So being a world, did you hear that? Yeah? I heard
• 1:55:23
  it in a world. Okay, I don't know what it sounds like,
• 1:55:30
  but okay, I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna stop it there. That's awesome,
• 1:55:34
  Okay, all right, okay, all right, anyway, so just
• 1:55:39
  I'm just playing around. Uh we heard Alison and Bryan static after the trump.
• 1:55:45
  Okay, well I don't know what that's okay, I just I'm I'm
• 1:55:47
  just playing with this tool right now. I'll probably use it for the game
• 1:55:53
  streams to make them fun. But yeah, one of them is the trailer
• 1:55:57
  voice. That was the trailer voice guy. Uh, yeah, you know,
• 1:56:00
  and a little bit like trailer voice crossed with the terminator or something.
• 1:56:04
  Oh is it? Yeah, I haven't listened to it myself, so I
• 1:56:06
  don't really know. I can probably there's all kinds of little things you can
• 1:56:11
  do. But anyway, I should get going. So before we go,
• 1:56:14
  let me just do one quick look to make sure I didn't miss any super
• 1:56:16
  chows or anything. While you do the things. Yeah, go ahead and
• 1:56:19
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  All right, I know what you're doing. Oh I'm nothing. I'm I
• 1:57:42
  was just letting people know that it is n n N and that they can
• 1:57:45
  get through this. But I was also going to say that on Saturday.
• 1:57:49
  We are Saturday the eighteenth, so that's a week from this coming Saturday,
• 1:57:55
  we're gonna try and do a meetup here in Rowan Oak. Mike is coming,
• 1:58:00
  that's doctor Randa mccam with Lauren and I will be here with Lindsay and
• 1:58:03
  Jojo, and I'm gonna also see if Paul Elam can set a little time
• 1:58:09
  aside and we'll do a meetup here in Chicago tentatively, right or not Chicago,
• 1:58:13
  I'm sorry. In Rono, Virginia, there is a place that I'm
• 1:58:17
  looking at called the Pirate Sip that is a pretty nice bar and they do
• 1:58:23
  karaoke and stuff, so it could be fun. So yeah, please let
• 1:58:27
  us know in the comments if that's something you'd be interested in or if it's
• 1:58:30
  even possible. Mike suggested it. Randa mckcamp wants to do a meetup because
• 1:58:33
  we haven't really seen anyone in a while, and I tend to co co
• 1:58:38
  sign on this idea. So let us know in the comments if that be
• 1:58:42
  something you're interested in, and we will definitely work. I mean, they're
• 1:58:45
  gonna come see me no matter what, so that's gonna happen regardless, but
• 1:58:47
  hopefully you guys will also be there. But anyway, so the eighteenth of
• 1:58:53
  this month, the eighteenth, Saturday, the eighteenth, that is the date.
• 1:58:56
  So International Men's Day is the seventeenth, so we're doing it eighteen because
• 1:59:00
  seventeenth is a Friday, so you might get along. Yeah, I know,
• 1:59:05
  I know, but it was I get it. I get it,
• 1:59:09
  but like you never know, it's worth point putting it out there. It
• 1:59:12
  was random Kham's idea, and I didn't you really hear from him until like
• 1:59:15
  last week, like at the end of last week, so it is kind
• 1:59:17
  of short notice. But I thought, you know, as well. It's
• 1:59:21
  no no no harm in trying. So anyway, with all that said,
• 1:59:28
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