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Why Great Athletes Love The Process with Dr. Matt Morton Ep 126 · The Driven Athlete

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  SPEAKER_02: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a high quality life with domain ambition, then guess what?
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  SPEAKER_02: This podcast is for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: What's up, y'all?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's your man Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kyle.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: We got our very own Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Matt Morton with us amongst our, you know, his busy schedule.
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  SPEAKER_02: So to share some insights and his journey and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: So thanks for clearing out your schedule to come in here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of course, thanks for having me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And talk to the talk to the people.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so you've been you've been with ARC now for like 13 months.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it's coming on 15.
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  SPEAKER_02: 15 months.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm glad super glad that you're part of the team.
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  SPEAKER_02: And your wife, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Gianna.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: And y'all um were engaged when you first came on board.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Life has moved quite a bit since then.
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  SPEAKER_02: Got married in July.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which was like six months after you came on board.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Five months?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  unknown: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Something like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Something like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then um, yeah, got married honeymoon.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bought a house in October.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bought a house.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now expecting baby number one.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now you're pregnant.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: As you're you guys are pregnant.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's correct.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, get a house, have the baby.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's yeah, life's life's uh life life's moving quick, but it's just kind of just the pace, just go.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a big difference than a year ago, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Life is definitely like changed a bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, even if you go if you go back even further, you go back two years or three years, and it's like, oh gosh, you look at yourself, you're like, it's totally different than what it was.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Things, yeah, things move, they move pretty quick, but you just don't know, it's just kind of how it goes, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I mean, I'm definitely very happy where we're at.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just how life goes.
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  SPEAKER_02: All good, you know, evolution.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Remind people where you went to school.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you or where you were you from originally, and then where you went to undergrad and then where you went to PT school.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was born and raised in New Jersey, Monmouth County, Jersey Shore.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, went to undergrad and grad school at Quinnibiak in Connecticut, um, which is in Hamden, right outside New Haven area.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, worked in New Jersey for a year before moving down here or year in change, whatever I ended up being.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, moved down here in September of 2024, worked for a traditional PT model practice for six months down here before I met you and came over to ARC.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you were that other P that other traditional model.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're only there for six months.
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  SPEAKER_01: Down here, yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Up north, I was there for longer.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the the traditional PC model in New Jersey to Florida was a little different.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, as far as like just the I think it was more just the way the companies were ran as opposed to like the actual like insurance and all that stuff and billing and all that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was just ran a little differently.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so I was only down here, I was only at the job for six months before I was like just looking for other options.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's pretty crazy though.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like it's a quick jump, but it just shows how like well, and we'll get into that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, and you played basketball growing up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like that was your main thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, basketball, baseball, track, a little bit of soccer as a kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I did a little bit of everything, you know, just and then include like just out in the cul-de-sac growing up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know if there's anything I didn't play at least what's at least at some point.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's good for being well rounded.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then you um you played travel basketball through high school, yeah, uh and high school ball.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, high school ball, AAU, all that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did that for however many years, probably started AAU in like sixth, fifth, sixth grade, and then did that all the way through junior year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Senior year AAU isn't really a thing because you're usually either committed or you're not playing in college at that point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, I did that all the way through um yeah, junior year pretty much, and then senior year was just uh regular high school ball and then track senior year.
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  SPEAKER_02: You guys were pretty good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your AAU team?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, AAU team was very good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I was definitely towards the bottom of that team.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had a lot of kids who played D1, played pro, played in college.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um it's a great experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a great experience being with that team.
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  SPEAKER_01: I definitely got to compete at a level that I would that I wouldn't have expected to be exposed to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it was good for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I found my role and I just was really I I prided myself on being very, very good in my role.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which was what?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh don't turn the ball over, make open jump shots.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do your best on defense because you're guarding guys who are six two and six three.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those of you who don't know me, I am five foot nine.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh you do do what you can do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, no, I mean it was it was it was fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: We was very competitive, practices were great, um, bunch of great guys on that team.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, I mean, I got a lot better for my high school team by playing with those guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that that was really, really helpful for when I went back to high school in that sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, going from being the ninth guy on the team to being the the guy on the team was a very, very big difference, and it kind of helped a lot with that.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm sure also confidence, a huge part of it too.
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  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like yeah, there are there are yeses and no's because like you're in a game, you get subbed in, and the in the AAU circuit, you're getting subbed in as a guy who's my size and stature.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everybody knows what you're there for.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're there to you're gonna shoot the ball if you get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, where in high school, uh, it's a lot more driving the lane, creating for others, uh having the best guy on the other team guard you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you had a lot of that, but like it definitely helped as far as like I've played against guys who were in the NBA and played high-level D1, SEC player of the year, and those sort of things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh that definitely helped when you kind of drop down a level when you went just to the high school circuit.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, high school and jersey shore can be competitive year to year, but it's not what that was.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was a whole other level.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but what's I mean, you got some good experience like uh of of a high-level ball, like what that looks like.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, I mean, I wouldn't only help you now, you know, some of the sports physio standpoint.
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  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: You definitely have an understanding on kind of what the performance is required at those levels.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just being around those guys, you understand that like the the the yellow and red resistance band isn't gonna get it done for a lot of these guys, like you find kind of at some other places.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it definitely you kind of better have a better insight and kind of what the demands of the sport are, what in season looks like for especially like especially with the high school kids, because they're juggling schoolwork, one at least one team most of the time, sometimes two or three, um, and understanding like it might be in two sports at once at the same time because if we're playing club, uh, like I know for me, like I was running track in the spring and playing club basketball at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like you have a lot of wear and tear on the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: How are we gonna manage that?
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  SPEAKER_01: What's the best way we can kind of intervene to kind of work within the already crazy dynamic they have going on in that sense?
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  SPEAKER_01: So definitely gave some good insight for that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then uh so what what do you like with the guys you played with who ended up going to the NBA SEC play of the year, high level D1 athletes?
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  SPEAKER_02: What makes um what makes a good basketball like the best basketball player?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, talent helps a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, a good example, I don't know, I could use his name, I'm sure, but uh this guy, one of the starting point guard for our team, his name was Shabar Reynolds.
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  SPEAKER_01: He played for Seton Hall um in college, and I think he finished at Mammoth this grad year, but he had zero offers coming out of high school.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, went to prep year, started at Seton Hall's preferred walk-on after his freshman year, got a scholarship, and then was starting, I think he made a buzzer beater game winner against St.
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  SPEAKER_01: John's at one point or something like that in the garden.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, for a guy like that, he was obviously he was obviously very talented, but under recruited, and he had this chip on his shoulder.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he, I have not seen many people work harder than him.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was a really, really hard worker.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, never would take no for an answer as far as like if somebody told him he wasn't gonna do something, he was gonna be like, watch this sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he would go do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, guys at Quinnipiac, I was around.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, at the division one level, I mean, you have to, if you don't want to be there, you're not going to enjoy yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there are definitely exceptions to the world, people who can get by on talent, but you you have to want to be there and you have to really, really want to work hard at that level in order to perform.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've been around guys who were immensely talented, um, who didn't necessarily who kind of took their talent for granted and fizzled out to a degree.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously, like at the visual level, like with the transfer portal and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were this is before kind of like the level of transfers, but like there was guys I was around who were transferred to Rugger, St.
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  SPEAKER_01: John's, those sorts of schools, and then they kind of bounced around schools a little bit after that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I mean, I mean, some people took it for granted, some people they just kind of go up too high of a level in that sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then there's guys the opposite way who they get an opportunity and they they're always ready for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they put hours and hours and hours in the gym.
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  SPEAKER_01: I remember this one kid at Quinnipia, he was probably an inch taller than me, but he he was uh he was unbelievable, didn't mess up.
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  SPEAKER_01: He would be in the gym shooting before practice, after practice, lifting before lift, lifting after shooting after practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: He'd spend seven hours in the facility as a freshman in college, and it showed.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it is after Quinnipia, uh, after COVID, he went over to Boston College.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think he averaged 10 to 12 points a game in the ACC.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: At 5'10.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, it's really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, like they you definitely could see both ways, but the guys who succeed that they you have to want it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they have so they have they they have the edge, they have an edge.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: A chip on the shoulder, or they're just they just are grinders.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, mental fortitude, I mean, is what it comes down to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you have the tenacity to want to get after it and be willing to put the work in and not just love the result, but you have to love the process.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you don't love the process, the work is tedious, it's tires, tiring, it's you don't want to do it every day.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, but if you love the process, like then that's like that's your bread and butter.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the results kind of just come.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's falling to place, yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, I love that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've heard that a bunch.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I just didn't know, I didn't really put it together like that until a couple of years ago, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, um, but uh, and I was like, I kind of I think I guess I do like the process.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I guess I fall on that boat.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just didn't know what it to define it as.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then that could have maybe just reinforced it more to go down that route.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then, of course, not focus on outcome because you can't.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like you can't focus, the outcome can't determine um in your head your success or failure of like you as an athlete.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because if you live and die off of your outcomes, you're gonna be like, I suck and I'm good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now I suck again.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm a failure.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm not a failure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's not gonna be Yeah, no, it's not gonna work.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you look at any, I mean, like Steph Curry, for example, like I don't think there's ever a bad shot that he takes because the process of the shot was a good shot.
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  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't always make them right, but every shot's a good shot because the process leading up to it was the way it goes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they go in, sometimes they don't.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, what would you classify under like this guy's just talented?
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  SPEAKER_02: He's just getting by on talent.
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  SPEAKER_02: What characteristics fall under that?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're incredibly gifted, they're just natural athletes, like they run fast, jump high, yes, they have the height, they're just strong too, like deceptively strong at times.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they have they have the one thing too, is with basketball, especially, but like in general, usually they have incredible hand eye coordination, just naturally can just see things at a pace that other people don't see them.
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  SPEAKER_01: The game just feels slower and they get by on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you watch guys in college right now who you look at certain, I mean, the big I don't want the I don't want to talk about how his career is gonna be, but you watch college basketball this year, you watch the guy Darren Peterson, had a lot of controversy around him at Kansas, where people he he looked effortless when he would play.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then there was times where maybe they'd pull him back, and people go back and forth whether or not he wanted to play there and just kind of was waiting to get to the pro to get paid or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think that he towards the end of the season, he kind of put that to bed with his performance and effort level in that sense, but he just makes the game look so easy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was perceived a lack of effort.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's what's perceived, as but I think it kind of like he's got people in his corner, like you're gonna be a top five draft pick.
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  SPEAKER_01: You got to kind of protect the money that you're going to get.
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  SPEAKER_01: Granted, now in college you get paid, but five, 10 years ago that wasn't the case.
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  SPEAKER_01: What did that look like?
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  SPEAKER_01: You never know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, but he just makes the game look so easy the way he plays.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's just effortless, can run, can jump, can shoot, all three levels can score, just makes it look easy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we have top three draft pick this year because of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you it showed at the end of the year he kind of put all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was more the middle of the season this year, but he put that to bed by the end of the year and kind of really, really showed that he's like, No, I'm a competitor, I want to win.
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  SPEAKER_02: So are there other guys that you yeah, any any people in particular that they were trying to just rely on their talent and then they ended up fizzling out?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, I've definitely been around a couple of those guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm not gonna name him, but a guy, a couple of a guy I played AAU with um growing up, he was a 6'6 wing, could dribble, could shoot, could jump out of the gym, was really, really just like strong for like not being that bulky of a kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and didn't take school seriously.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, ended up going uh he probably ended up going D3, but he was a D1 talent if he just put his head into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I think he went overseas for a little bit and then just stopped playing.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I don't even know what he's doing now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I haven't I haven't kept in touch with him, but yeah, he was uh really like but like in high school, we were we were playing against teams were loaded with division one guys who played at a high D1 level.
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  SPEAKER_01: We played against a team that had SEC player of the year, kid who played uh in the Big East, kid who played in the A10, kid who played uh at the big Big Ten as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like they had four or five kids who were all D1 starters and high-level D1 players, and he was dominating these guys back at that time.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were juniors in high school at this time, and then for whatever reason, just didn't make it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just thought I guess that that was kind of more of just the talent kind of took him as far as it would take it and didn't put that next level of effort into it.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's usually what it comes down to at that level.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's I mean you're splitting.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're recruiting those guys, you're splitting hairs though.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you got two guys who look the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, everybody in college is six, six, like everybody's big, everybody's tall, everybody's athletic, but you get the kid who's tall, you have two kids who look identical as far as skill set at 17, but one guy's got a mental edge that the other guy doesn't have, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna they're gonna take the kid with the mental edge every single time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that mental edge is everything we're talking about before, just the the desire to um focus on the process, yeah, on not outcome-based, willing to grind, um, and that's gonna discipline to carry them through when motivation lacks.
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  SPEAKER_02: What else?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's just they're they don't have an off day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like they're they're constantly going after.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the number one word is tenacity and relentlessness and all that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just there is they they refuse to be told uh you're not gonna make it or you're not gonna do they actually cherish when people tell them that because it's nothing those people love more than saying, Told you so.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those people love those sorts of things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that having that mental edge is what definitely makes uh an athlete who maybe is on the cusp of making it at that next level that gets them to that spot.
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  SPEAKER_02: What about IQ?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like watching film, studying other guys, pre like the games leading up and like who are you guarding, what's the what's their stat, like their play scheme and stuff like that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, being prepared is definitely a huge part of it.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, guys who if you're pre- I mean, I so being around the program at Quinnipiac, I mean, we the preparation was honestly like shocking going from like being in AAU, you don't prepare for anything, you're just rolling a ball out and playing tournaments after tournament.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: But in high school, we do a little bit of scouting, but then when you get to college level, like the film, the scouting, knowing the this person shooting 33% from this wing when he goes to his left versus you let him get to his right from the spot, he's gonna be making it 55%.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like just knowing those things, you get on the court and you have that in your head and you know that going into it.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can influence the game just off a couple, like which way you're gonna push him when they catch the ball in one spot.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, they always say like uh failing to prepare is preparing to fail.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: So if you you if you put the preparation and you're ready to go for anything that could be thrown at you in a given game.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, those guys, I mean, they're all they all love that stuff though.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: They they if you're if you're at that level, you have to love that stuff because there's so much of that that goes into competing at that level.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: Really is for some of the guys that didn't, they just weren't putting a lot of effort in on that other other stuff, just practicing, shooting extra, lifting weight, the mental edge, whatever.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um what were they lacking?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like what what was it that why why not have that?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: What was their mindset otherwise?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think it just comes down to the fact that it's 18 to 22 year olds, and maturity is probably what it comes down to.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I'd be guessing, honestly.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not inside their head, but I mean, I think maturity and recognizing opportunity that's in front of you.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just not taking it seriously.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not appreciating that the situation you have.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, that's really so it's a lack of appreciation, lack of awareness.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say awareness more than appreciation, but like maybe they take where they're at for granted because they've always had the spotlight on them coming up.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: They don't know anything different growing up and coming up in the sport.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, I've done this my whole life and I've always been the guy.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: What's dedicated?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Why is this gonna be any different?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I get I think it's more of just that, not recognition.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: So you don't think it's a fear of failure?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that definitely could play into a role of the city.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like if I try really hard and I still fail, then I definitely suck.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: I de I don't versus like I'm not gonna try hard, and then if I fail, it's like, oh, I really wasn't sure.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: In team sports, I think you get less of that.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Individual sports, I think you probably get more of that, like golf or tennis, track, those sorts of things.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think you probably get-I would imagine at that level that's probably not the case.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's probably more of like that lack of awareness.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I definitely think it's because I've definitely worked, I've been with guys and teammates that they were that was their thing, a little bit of like at least they could fall back and be like, Well, I wasn't trying that hard, you know.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, yeah, so if they lose, they have that in their back pocket.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're like, Well, what are you doing?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: You're not trying at anything then.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're too cool to try hard.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can't.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, at that level, I don't I I I can't say I've been around a lot of that.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but definitely the lack of awareness for some of them, just recognize not recognizing, hey, you have an incredible opportunity in front of you.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: What are you doing?
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: Why aren't you taking it serious?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what are you doing?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, come on.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like it's and you have to like look at even some of the patients we get, you know, like you're like, you have a really good opportunity.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: You're playing college sports.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're in the top percent of people who've played your sport.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like the things that I would do to have the opportunity right now that you have, like, how much would you pay to go back?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: And you don't have patients.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, exactly so.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that'd be always say like it's easy for us to sit here because we wish we knew now what we knew then.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, but it's uh yeah, it's I think it's definitely like the awareness of kind of the the the place that you're in is kind of the number one thing, kind of why people slack in that sense.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: Let's say somebody was like, you know what, you're right.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: Tell me everything that you wish you would have known that you know now.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that you would tell yourself back when you're 18, 20.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, how much time do you have?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like they love the process, get people around you who are smarter than you.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, get people who are around around you who have the attitude that you're trying to get or have or you already have, or surround yourself with like-minded, high-achieving people, and then love the process.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like just love it.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: So love the process, want to grind.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: Get surround yourself with people that are like-minded, that are gonna push you.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: Iron sharpens iron, um, people that are better than you, so you can work up to that.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then what about like in-game?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: What do you what do you mean like that?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like, let's say, like like in the in in a game, what is your mindset?
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: Would you would you change?
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, no, see, in game, I if if you're prepared, I mean you just you just play, play your game.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: You've done all the work leading up to this.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like the outcome is gonna be the outcome, but you're prepared.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Do your thing.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Play, make the play, make the right play.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're I mean, for me, like a different team's different roles, but like if I'm if my job is to shoot, shoot.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like I said about Steph Curry before, like if if I got an open look, if it didn't go in, it didn't go in.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: But like your job, I'm on the court for one reason, it's just shoot the ball.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: So that's if you miss, you miss.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you sometimes you make all of them, sometimes you miss all of them.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's just yeah, that's how it goes.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, what about like just hanging out, like hang friends afterwards and like locker room?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I defin I mean, I definitely you definitely have different personality.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you play college sports, just people who are doing different things, people who take it more seriously around you.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, surround yourself with the guys who want to be there.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Guys who like who they're like app that they're talking about practice, they take school seriously, they eat healthy, they they stay hydrated, they have that goal in mind.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: It may not consume them, they have hobbies on the outside, but they they know what why they're there.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: So they just yeah, just surround yourself with good people.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's really what it comes down to.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Don't you don't want to be the the group that's if you at that level, you don't want to be the guy who's out till three o'clock in the morning the night before.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: You have a 5 a.m.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: lift.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like you don't want to surround yourself with those type of people because then you're just gonna just gonna fall into that.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: I um there was some man, I looking back, like I just naturally didn't I just naturally didn't hang out with those kind of like those people.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: I just was like, I just I just was um repelled by them.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's I mean they're of like the well the ones that were just like they would be they would come late to practice or this wouldn't show up.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: At the college level, that's insane.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, well, I mean, volleyball was division one, but we were a lower level division one, yeah, right?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: We were the bottom of the uh bottom two of like the conference, but my senior year, we did have like the best season in school history and we advanced in the playoffs.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: It was cool, and for that, like and we were definitely the underdogs, but um and I bet like we actually had a winning season that we finished like 25 and 18, you know.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: But when I was a freshman, going into as a freshman year, um, when I was a senior being recruited, that season they went four and like 25.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh gosh, and I didn't really know, you know.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, coming from that to then 25 and 18, you know, like it's a huge jump.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I guess and then we won, we won in the playoffs, you know, like we were, you know, we beat another high rank.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think that year, um, we earlier in the regular season, we beat the team I think that won our conference.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, they were second in our conference, Ohio State won the conference like all the years we were there.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: But Loyola Chicago.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: They they were solid in a volleyball team um club and they had some solid talent, you know.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think they they won the national championship the year after we left.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: After I graduated.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, but anyway, so we beat them in the regular season, which was it was on senior night too.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: It was sick.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like my my my mom and my aunt were there, and like we did almost kind of fight like on the court, man.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: We were like getting after it, it was sick, but um, yeah.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, they even so that was our team, my senior year.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: But before that, we were like, you know, it wasn't, I don't think culture and uh fire and a lot of drive and guys that wasn't the case.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: And me and two of me and like a couple other guys were the only ones, and then we'd be told, like, why are you taking this so serious?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's division one volleyball.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: I know, like, well, what do you want to do?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna make it.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: It is what you make it, you know.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it I do understand like it's hard to show up every day when you are four and thirty.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: You suck whenever the it may it makes it harder, but I mean, like the culture stuff starts from the top down, like 100%, like from the coaching staff to the people around the facility.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's where I give Quinnipiac a lot of credit because they they have it a top top.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Notch facility.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: We had a great coaching staff, everybody high energy every time we were in that gym.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't have a day off in that sense.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, it was that I think that's a big part of it, though, where the people who bring those people into it, they have to kind of lead by example in that sense.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: And the the better culture you set, the more everybody's gonna love that process.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then the better players, the better players are gonna want to be there.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: They're gonna stick around.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you'll just win more.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: You'll win more games.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that culture helps everything.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like winning helps everything.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um football was a little like we were D V we were D2, right?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: But like we we were mediocre, um, and then we were really bad later on.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: But like we almost won the conference my sophomore year, and we had um we had some good, you know, some good players come in.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: We had a good culture, but um it's just interesting how it ebbs and flows.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: But we still like towards the end of the season when you're not winning, or like guys just wouldn't show up, you know.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't I don't get it.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's crazy.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: If you are bummed that you're not playing, it's like we're not winning, and I'm still not playing.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think you'd play somewhere else at a better team?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, I'm like, no.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's that's what do you think you're gonna like if if you're on a team that's not doing well and the coaches still aren't looking at you be like, no, let's get some other guys in here.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think this guy could be good at whatever, and you're not in that conversation, what makes you think you're gonna be playing somewhere else?
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: Delusion.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right, exactly.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's just delusion.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, that was part of the it's I was just like, I don't do what are you doing?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, just leave then, you know, go home.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's your way.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I don't I try not to be around those.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I that's just I it's crazy.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that I that if that happened in the locker rooms that I've been around, like I I don't know what it just didn't happen, yeah.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: You just didn't like you don't see that, so but um because yeah, towards the end of this season, like the it would be the field would be thin, you know, of like guys, you know.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Looking for scout team, and I'm like, man, this is insane.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, how does this happen?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I thought I was like, this is not what I was expecting in college football, you know.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but uh, but any earliest camp and spring and um spring ball, I actually only played spring one year because I was in volleyball season the other years, but um and yeah, early in the season, like first couple weeks, it was definitely very robust and competitive and whatever, but um, it definitely fizzled out a little more and more thin than later in the season.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I would go back and like like taught tell myself or athletes in my situation the same kind of thing, like appreciate the moments, just take it serious.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: I definitely would have told myself, like love the process, find your process and then the habits, and then um definitely don't concern yourself with the outcomes if you drop a pass or whatever, like you can't control the uncontrolled.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: Or if a guy makes a great play, you know, like you can't control that.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: But um, all you can go back and fall back on is your your process and like all the habits that you would develop.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um appreciate it and have and enjoy it, and then um participate more in like just off-court or off-field fun activities.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, just culture building activities with the team.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right, yeah.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean just participate, just be there, say yes to everything, you know.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it still takes school, so you gotta get your stuff done, you know, keep your nose in the books, but like still participate in everything to a to like an appropriate level.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, and then keep your nose out of drama if people if you just stay away from those people and like just stay out of the drama.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then the last thing I would probably say would be like um just from like an overall 30,000 foot view looking down from like like from a from the cloud level, like looking down, being like, what is it that you're trying to do in this play?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what's your goal?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, versus getting being robotic and being um narrow tunnel vision within each play, because then it just like I'm running this route like this and it's not open, you know, like I'm not like it didn't fall, I didn't do it, it didn't fall through the way it was supposed to be done correctly.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: But zooming out and being like, you can auto, you can you can wiggle, yeah, you can adapt, yeah, adapt and wiggle through some stuff to just make the play happen.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: We had a great baseball coach.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I forget his name, uh I forget his name, but uh growing up with a great baseball coach.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I don't want I want ball players, not robots.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: You can just randomly like when somebody's not like nobody, no team would ever run or steal at a certain spot.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: He'd just send a runner to see how people react.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like, make what do you mean?
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: But the guy's there, he's like, but he's not supposed to be like just make a play, yeah.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Make a make a play, like adapt and figure it out.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he oh, he had a great play.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: I forget what it was.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: It was like one of those first and third situations or like they send the guy to second or whatever, something like that.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: And we had this great pick-off play.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: We never we practiced it all the time, we never got the chance to use it, and all of a sudden it just kind of like came up in a game.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we I think it only had it happened once, but we we like throw behind the runner at third in a way that made it work.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't remember exactly the details of it, but I remember like it was like it just happened on the fly, and we just kind of all just like it just kind of saw it happen.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: You never expected to use it, it just worked out and you got them right up the bag on third.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember that.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, you just yeah, you need you need you know it's ball players, not robots.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you just be able to adapt, make plays.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: What uh what do you feel like attributes you gained playing sports at a high level, like a competitive level?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I mean, just like the willingness to work, like work ethic is definitely number one.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, communications up there as well, just being able to like communicate through any kind of situation, whether good, tough, you're going through adversity, you gotta get you one stop right here.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean those sorts of things.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um leadership definitely on the more not less of that higher end level, but like it translated though.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like being one of those guys who's been around those guys, you know what it takes in order to win or be at that level.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: So definitely for leadership in that sense.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I uh overcoming adversity, number one.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I I don't even know why I told you this, though.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: I I wouldn't be who I was if I like didn't get cut from a from a from a town travel team in like fifth grade.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like just because like I that was like good fuel me.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: I started practicing with my brother's third grade travel team.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: He's two years younger than me.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: I went to every one of their practices.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: So like three times a week, I'm planning it's third graders, whatever, just to get in the gym and get ball, I get ball in my hands, build confidence or whatever.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Next year made the team.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, after that, I was starting one of the best kids in the team.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just off of like just that.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: If I didn't get cut though, then like I didn't like if I didn't have that that that moment where it was like you're gonna put in the work and like say, you know what, I'm gonna make this now, or you just roll over and it, you know, that's it, basketball's not for me.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like that moment right there, I was probably 10 years old or 11 years old.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: That shaped kind of like the last the next like the last 18 years of my life.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: After that, which is really cool to think about going back to.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: But the that's that's a huge thing, like just overcoming adversity with that communication, being a good teammate, working with others, all those things kind of I think made me who I am as far as just a personality aspect when it comes to that for sure.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: Love that.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's it's a huge fork in the road.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: Any other forks throughout high school or anything?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: AU?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um no uh freshman year, uh, when I got hurt, like how I become like wanted to become a BT.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I I so I went to a high school that was like very much dedicated to like broadcast journalism, field communications, digital marketing, coding, anything like it got in and around communications, computer, coding, those sort of things, computer engineering.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I wanted to get into sports journalism, be a broadcaster going into that high school.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because I was like apply to get in.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: I got in, I was like so excited.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Went, um, and then I got hurt like three months into that school year, my freshman year before the freshman basketball season.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, then I just fell in love with the process PT.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: So like then I was like, I think this is what I want to do.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that so that kind of was a big mental shift for me, kind of like getting out of that world.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I was still that was still a very good high school.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like I enjoyed doing that sort of thing still.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: But then I knew going to college, I kind of needed to tailor myself down into a school where I can do PT.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: So that was kind of where I kind of wiggled into that.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, that not as far as like a major fork, so to speak, but like that one at 10, like for like you don't re obviously at the time you didn't realize it, you know.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: That at 10, you don't really realize much when that's sentence.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm sure older Matt would be like, good work, man.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, yeah, I definitely could go pat myself on the back.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I will I owe a lot of that to my parents.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they were definitely um definitely made sure, like push me to like be that type of person.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was definitely brought up that way.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I owe a lot of what I am now to them.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just like go my parents every day, both worked show like so all throughout.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like parents, like all were my mom gave up uh working in the city and kind of put her career on hold for raising us and getting a job closer to home, but still worked, like both commuted like 45 minutes to an hour each way.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, on top of that, just every day, you just gotta show up, show up.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just being around like that the whole time.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was like at the time, thinking about it now, like it was never an option really to roll over and just say, you know, that's not it.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was never like presented to me.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I guess it was in hindsight, like, but you'd go that way or that way.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: But at the time, it was I'm going that way.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: There was never really a th second thought about it.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, oh, I'm just gonna go.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Alex made the team for his age, so I'll just go ask the coach and go up to him, shake his hand, introduce myself, and say, Hey, I I got cut from the fifth grade team.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'd love to come and get better and practice with these guys.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: Do you mind if I come?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, fifth grader wants to practice great.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: So cool.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so he was like, Is it making kids better?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it took a lot of like you know, fortitude for you to do that.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my parents definitely, yeah.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: I would call it agency, I think.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: My parents definitely pushed me to do that for sure.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, definitely had to have some hard conversations in that sense.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: But like they definitely, yeah, they raised me to do those sorts of things.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, like if you may, it may be awkward in the moment, but like, what do you have to lose by asking?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: Worst case, worst case, they're gonna say no.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then like, yeah, and then you figure it out from there.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, he said yes, and then he ended up being like one of the, he's like one of the I he called he was the first guy who brought me out that year after practicing.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: He started like a smaller AAU level team or whatever in fifth grade.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I played with them and did that, all of the kids who played on that travel team.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: I played with them like that next spring.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he was a big role in my life all throughout, kind of growing up.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean that's cool.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so he yeah, I mean, if I didn't go ask, like shake his hand, introduce myself and ask, I who know, like the relationship, yeah.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of things fell into place.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a lot of things would be so different if I didn't have that moment then.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: But like again, like it it definitely sucked.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like being like my brother as a third grader made the team, I as a fifth grader didn't make my team, and now I gotta be the guy who's going to play with the third grade.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you definitely swallow some pride in that for sure.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: And that wasn't like that wasn't fun to do.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to have to do it, but I'm very glad I did.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, just dealing with like kind of like if bad things happen, it's like it's gonna be all right.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Figure it out.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like another thing I was just thinking of was like finding a coach or a mentor or something that can resonate with you as an athlete the the way that you need to be resonated with and communicate things the best way possible.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and one of those being like um, yeah, what you just said, you know, like do this is the route to go and um to help develop you in the right way.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I heard something recently that I liked a lot that I was like, man, I like this would have been really cool.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: Where if like somebody's nervous and you feel like you have butterflies, you know what I mean?
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: And they were like, it was a podcast listening to like some kind of psychology podcast.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: And this lady who's like renowned, I guess, used to do jujitsu or some kind of MMA, and they were like, in order to get your next belt, you have to compete against somebody at that belt level, but the only person there that day was some kind of like big dude that you know that she had to like compete with.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: And she's you know, she's probably your the age you were talking about, like fifth grade, maybe.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, she was like, my sensei was like, You got butterflies?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, Yeah, I'm nervous.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, Good, get your butterflies flying in formation and do what you need to do.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I love that.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's a good way to because you can't say, like, don't be nervous.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, don't be nervous.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you can't not validate how they're feeling because it's like I'm feeling a certain way.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not you can't just not feel a certain way.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, accept the reality that you feel nervous and you have butterflies.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: You channel that as best you can and just get them flying in formation, and then maybe it'll actually aid you and it's been the process.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, dude, I love that.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a great way to put it.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I can't wait to do stuff with my kids like that, you know.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: But get close, meet them where they are, you know.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: My daughter said something amazing that I was like, man, I hope to just continue to instill this.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think it was around karate, some kind of karate class or something.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: What it was like city thing, it was like super low-key.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, hey, we're gonna, you know, there's this class that we think you might be cool with.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: We'll have Colt jo join too.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: But um, what do you think?
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we we can sent you in the karate thing, you guys can learn something.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: And she's like, I'm I'm I don't know, I'm kind of nervous.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: And was like, she was like, I think you know what, I'll give it a try.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: And if I don't like it, then I won't do it again.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, dude, that's the best attitude ever for a five-year-old.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: Give it a shot.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like give it a shot.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's the worst that can happen.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then if I don't, then I won't, you know, I'll try.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then if I don't, I won't do it again.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, dude, that's great.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: Amazing, man.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I I don't know what I don't know what we did to get that, but I want to continue that.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, keep doing just keep doing what you're doing.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Keep doing what you're doing.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's awesome.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: But um, okay, so PT stuff.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: All right, here.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: What the freshman year injury is what led you to be more towards a PT sigio route.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, dislocated Patella.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's a hard one.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it sucked.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was not fun, it hurt, yeah.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I fell in love with the process, and I'm very grateful for that injury happening because I would never be where I am with that didn't happen.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: So um, and then you so uh Quinnipack undergrad, you were the basketball manager, which was a grind.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, but it was fun, yeah.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Fun.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you have to play some scout team, you get to do like I mean, your long nights in the hotels doing the laundry and stuff like that, traveling on the bus, like grabbing food, taking the coaches' cars from place to place.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: Just kind of sometimes your your job is to be seen and not heard.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that's yeah, that's honestly a good thing, though, I think that I learned a lot about like just sometimes like being able to take a step back and like understand, like, hey, you're not like you're you're supposed to be here, but like not really, like, not like supposed to say anything.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, it's it's it's a good skill to have and know kind of oh, this feels like one of those situations.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: You're not gonna pop and be like, Coach, if I can interject real quick, yeah, real quick.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, coach, I don't think the way you're breaking the three-sweet press is gonna work right now.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh boy.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then all right, so then you stayed and went to PT school at Quinnipia.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yep.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: And then you got a job right out of school in Jersey.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, in Jersey first, yeah, for like a year, six years.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a year or so, yeah.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like a year, yep.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that was like like a a traditional PT type of clinic.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: And then you moved down to South Florida, yep, and then got a PT clinic, a traditional PT job here.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: And then within six months, you were already looking.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean or earlier.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh earlier for sure, definitely a little earlier.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I mean, so when I first started working, I worked for a physical therapy, physical therapist-owned PT business.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: So everything's owned by PTs, there's no outside corporate or anything like that.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: So PTs kind of understand like how PTs need to function.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I really enjoyed working in New Jersey.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: I I thought it was the company was well ran.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I didn't move, I'd probably still be working there.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: It was doable, it was definitely doable.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the only reason I left is because I moved.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but then down here, I took a job at a corporate-owned PT company where there is a lot of outside money, um, venture capital money involved in it, and the numbers are definitely the focus.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, not necessarily, I don't want to say not the patient because I don't want to throw them under the bus in that sense, but it definitely didn't feel like while working there as a PT that the patients were the focus.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: It was definitely the numbers felt like they were more important.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: By the way, I saw a post recently about in the state, actually in the nation, the mo the highest grossing revenue physical therapy facility clinics organizations, and the one that you were, we don't have to name it, but they were top like six.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't surprise me.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're about making money.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm not saying it's numbers, and like we're here to make money.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: So how can we just generate revenue?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like my like as a PT, so like as a PT there, like I so in New Jersey, there was no PT assistants there.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: So like you're with a therapist, like you're not with a PTA.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, down here you were, and there are some great PTAs out there.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not bashing that.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: I have a role.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: I had a good PTA there, but the problem was there, like you have patients, like you you and eval on somebody, it's not like they're gonna be with me or they're gonna be with them.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's like they're just bouncing back and forth non-stop.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: There's no continuity with it whatsoever, which I really didn't like.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing too is I would do my morning would be eight 30-minute evaluations, back to back to back to back, just eight in a row.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: I barely remember the first one when I have to go back and document all this, unless my entire evaluation, I'm literally just sitting here typing while, yep, yep, go ahead while I'm typing what they're saying and not actually talking to the person.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just so you're not drowning at paperwork.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because you're gonna drown otherwise.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna just it's not you're not capable to keep up with it.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then your afternoon is four people an hour for four hours.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: So that's 16 people right there.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's your day.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's and it was it, it takes a lot out of you.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, like again, most of your time, like you're just trying to like either run around the gym getting everybody their stuff, or you're trying to scram typing documentation.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: I really was I could see that where this was going and burning out fast.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I did like I was doing well there, I was doing fine.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like they I got to the point there where it was like they were considering me for management and they were training me, like I was doing in manager training and going into management and seeing the number side of that, and it's even more of the number side of things.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I don't know if this is what I want.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't become a PT to do this, so I kind of backed away from that.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I I was grateful I found you when I did.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: It was like the timing could not have been better in that sense for where I was at, because I was either gonna go down a road of going into upper management in a corporate PT clinic, or I was gonna, I don't know what I was gonna do.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I was I was very grateful to find you when I did, and we had just great conversations and kind of I was lucky enough to join the team.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's kind of how that worked.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: What um it's been fifty fourteen months, 15 months almost.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, since last year.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: In that process, what things have you what things have you come to realize the difference?
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I mean, just like being one-on-one, what you're able to do is like it was shocking, like, oh, I can make a difference in a couple in a couple times.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like in two to three visits, I can make a big difference in two to three visits.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: I can make a big difference in one visit.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: Where like a lot of times before it's like like it's like you're like eight, ten visits in and you're like, You feeling better yet?
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are you feeling better?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know what I mean?
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's just there's no like by session 12, maybe you see some results.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's I'm looking at like the results.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: They were big on oh, I forget what it was.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: I forget what it was called.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: That one like iPad questionnaire we had to do.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it doesn't matter, but still, like you give them this iPad questionnaire and you look at that results after like oh they they they improved by 12% in 12 visits, and like an outcome measure, yeah, exactly.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, some outcome measure that we would use, and then the um, which was highly standardized and not specific to anybody whatsoever.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it was terrible.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have somebody with a near placement, like in one of the questions on it was like, How are you doing with running and jumping activities?
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, What?
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't ran and jumped in 15 years.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like 79 years old.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: What type of way to measure my progress is that?
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: So it was just not great in that sense.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: But no, I mean, just like how quickly you can make a difference here.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was just with a one-on-one for an hour, like you have such an ability to kind of make a change instantly in somebody's quality of life.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's that was the number one thing I realized very, very quickly.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I obviously learned a lot in the beginning too, kind of just learning different manual therapy techniques instead of kind of just some cookie cutter stuff you get in PT school.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: But like getting some more like really specified um fellowship level stuff, get learning those things was very, very helpful.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and understanding kind of pain, I think a lot better, having take being able to take the time to understand pain.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think that was the biggest thing.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't think I was like a bad therapist before.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think I was definitely like doing well for what I was given, but be have being able to kind of take the time and talk to people and listen um and understanding pain in that sense.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I find now that like I get more from a subjective during an eval than like any special test would give me before.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like just let like just talk to them, listen to them, kind of get a real understanding, like what their pain pattern is, like really understand kind of what they're going with.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then you get into your objective stuff.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: You look at your range of motion, your strength, your special test, and those sorts of things, and you get a better picture of that.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, understanding the nervous system's involvement.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I definitely did not have a good grip over that.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, even till I don't know, even probably till the end of the summer last year, probably like just constantly learning until I felt like comfortable kind of understanding more about that.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I definitely still need to continue to learn more about that.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what do you mean?
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm I I refuse to accept that I know now.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, what I mean is like, what do you like nervous system involvement?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, that's what the pain is, is the nerve, the nervous system.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you don't have the nervous system, pain is not a thing.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's you have to for see pain is a pain, like it's a stimuli.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you don't have your nervous system, you put your hand in a burning hot stove, yeah, your hand's gonna burn, but you're not gonna feel pain.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and there are people who actually don't have that part of their nervous system working and they can they very dangerous because they don't feel pain in that sense, but that's what pain is.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, this is hurting me.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: Please stop.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: You you have pain all day, then you go to sleep.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: While you're sleeping, you're not having pain, you're asleep, but then you wake up all of a sudden the pain's back.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's your nervous system.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like the pain, like nothing changed overnight in that sense.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: So consciousness is required to perceive pain.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you if you're not conscious, you're not gonna know that in that sense, or if you don't have that, like no to me.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: Which is interesting with like where the source of pain comes from.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then you have the neuropathic and you're nocy plastic pain, and there's a whole you can you don't have to go down that pathway, but like there's a lot of different ways to understand pain, what type of pain this is, how this person's system is working at this point.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Are they really, really sensitive?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: Are they really guarded?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Are newer inputs going to kind of maybe light up some like warning signs and kind of understanding how to kind of talk them through those symptoms?
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is gonna be like you may feel this, it's gonna be okay, but we may feel some things now because it's new and it's different in that sense.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um Are there anything that you feel like you um you didn't expect to learn or to like come to realize in this setting compared to like a traditional PT setting?
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like just like besides the impact you can make right away.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's number one.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like time, like how much like how much you can do with just time.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because I was so used to not having a lot of it.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: So when you get time all of a sudden, like you can individualize everything to make specific changes for specific people.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, you could have two, like, I mean, I mean we see a lot of people general generalized term, low back pain.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: We see a lot of low back pain.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of different ways low back pain can be treated or looked at.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like there's not one way to do everything, but like just how you can kind of use different things, different different take different tools out of your tool belt to kind of find the like the the the recipe for that patient is I mean, massive.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, same thing, not just back pain, but like I mean, you can look at knee pain, osteoarthritis, tendinitis.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Different types of things, like people respond to different things based on where they're at, how long they've had it for, what their tolerance level is.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's a lot of different things with that, and being able to take the time to tease those things out has been like very, very I mean, like I didn't know what I expected, but I definitely didn't expect to get the outcomes that I am getting now at first.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like over time, it's like, oh duh, like why didn't you expect that?
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like you give me an hour with one person and you just use your brain and keep working through the things, and it definitely makes sense.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: But like I definitely I don't know what I expected, but it wasn't that.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's cool.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: We could talk all day about this stuff.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, for sure.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like I could talk all day about I mean, like that, that sort of thing.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's I'm very grateful to be where I'm at.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: I love what I do.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: I really, really enjoy the patients that I work with.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: I hope they enjoy me.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it seems like it reinvigorated your career.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean because it did for me.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm definitely like I I love what I do.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: I love physical therapy.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I believe in what I do, it works.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I've had countless patients who were in the injection route, been to five different people, they've had surgery, maybe they they want to have surgery, and then all of a sudden, like we can find like the root cause of what's going on and let's put all of our energy there.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we can do some things to manage the symptoms.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like the symptoms are coming from something else right now.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: And that may not be the case for everybody, for like a lot of times, like you have a fire on that fire alarm.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: I know you love that analogy where sometimes you like you want to put that fire out.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: We can put a pillow up over it too while we do this, but we need to put that fire out, otherwise, we're gonna be stuck in that cycle.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I mean, I yeah, I I love finding that.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like the puzzle of that and figuring that out for people, like is just so much fun and enjoyable, and it's so rewarding too, and you get the chance to like really change people's lives.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I did like nobody else has been figured this out, and now I feel great, you know.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's a really, really cool moment when you get that, or you get a kid who And you've had a lot of those, yeah.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've had a lot more than I expected.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's for sure.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know what to expect, honestly.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I I came into this kind of just like, you know what?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we're gonna we're it's just this is different.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: We haven't done anything like this before, but let's see what it is.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see, let's guess, let's put everything into it.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I I I mean, I'm having too much fun, like work is fun.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I even said today, it's almost a bad thing, but I said to the uh uh patient earlier, I was like, today feels like a Friday.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just she's like, Matt, it's Monday.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's Monday, but you have four more days.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, it's all right, it's not that bad.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Today feels like a Friday, man.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: Anyone else feel loose like this?
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_02: This is awesome.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this is great.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm having a lot of fun.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's a great sign.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's nuts great, man.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's like what's better than that?
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, nothing.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's the best.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, you they say you love what you do, never work a day at drive.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, I I definitely love what I do.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, everybody I talk to like says, like, oh, you can tell you you you're passionate about what you do.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, yeah, I am, and I'm happy to say that.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: Should I not be?
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I said that also recently, someone was like, Do you enjoy this?
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Yeah, I think I was born to do this.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I enjoy all the aspects of what I'm what I do.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: And then somebody else was like asking me just scenarios like what if you win the lottery or whatever.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I would still do the same thing.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: Me and G were talking about yesterday.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'd still work.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_02: I would still do this, I would just do it with less like I guess just anxiety in a hustle, you know.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I mean as a business owner, maybe, yeah.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's different for you than me in that sense.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I would like I definitely maybe by my hours we get cut back or something.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: But I definitely wouldn't stop doing what I'm doing.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: I love what I do.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna I as long as my body allows me to continue to do the manual work and the training, I'm gonna be doing this for as long as I can, or at least helping people in some capacity.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: I love what I do and I'm in a great spot.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: And awesome.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I really enjoy coming to work every day.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm glad that I've you know that this has been able to um reinvigorate that so y'all can enjoy it as much as you know, I think that could be, you know, which is great.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's interesting, like last thing will land the plane, but um talking about like puzzle pieces and stuff, and just like we talk about this a lot with people.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um there is this high-level athlete saw this morning, all right, that um this person has um like neck pain and um or the stiffness and tightness and ref manifesting pain behind their shoulder blade.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: What first thing, what do you think they're they're this person's young, right?
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_02: All right, but they're a high level, they're professional in their sport.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_02: What do you what would be your first thing of like they have tightness here and they're inside of their neck in their upper trap, but their shoulder blade has pain?
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I'm what's one of the first hypotheses we're probably thinking that's a rule out.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean like just like surviving cervical neck, yeah, like it's yeah, 100% cervical.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just that's where you go first.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: First first hypothesis, then you work your way out from there, but yeah, I mean right, exactly.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say the same thing.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so anyway, working on this person, they felt better when they left.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, amazing with their with their test.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_02: So we were retesting some of the movements and things that caused pain.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, we treated them for a you know, it was actually like an hour and 15 minutes because my my next patient cancelled.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like, I'm gonna keep you a little longer.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they left feeling better, feel great.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, awesome.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: There is the solution, things don't hurt for no reason.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: They had a cortisone injection.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_02: Guess where like two weeks ago.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay, that didn't help, didn't help.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: Guess where the cortisone injection was put in by this shoulder?
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: They put it in the scapula.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like that's I said I'm like, man, this is not I hear it all the time.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a bummer.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so just a heads up.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, for patients, like listening, just get second and third opinions.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's not you're not you're not gonna do wrong getting more information.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_02: The pain is not like I was like, the pain source, people are like, what's hurting?
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: What's the pain generator?
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's that wasn't their shoulder blade, it's referred pain from their neck.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: So it clearly didn't work.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: But like, so anyway, course of treatment on our end is gonna be way different than like some kind of scapular instability.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's and that's not where the scapular instability would manifest pain to begin with.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, exactly.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's gonna change it's gonna change entirely.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, it's a bummer.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm and this has been going on for a year for this person.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: I always like wonder about stuff like that.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like there has to be a reason for this.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and if you're not using that part of your body, what are the odds you did something to it?
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's just gotta be coming from somewhere else in that sense.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: I always bummer, but anyway, like, well, I'm in my head, I'm like, I'm I'm I'm excited and pumped and optimistic to help this person, but also bummed that like it's been a year that they've been battling this, that's been hindering their performance and just frustration and lots of cooks in the kitchen with giving a lot of opinions on what to do and what's the problem.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I don't want to add to that.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: I know you have a lot of cooks in the kitchen.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_02: Here's my opinion.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know your body better than anybody else, and here's what I think we should do.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: But clearly, right now you feel better.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the rationale makes sense.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: If you weren't feeling better, then like then it'd be like, oh me, you know, then you wouldn't be as confident in what my opinion would be.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, that that's all it's that's part of the puzzle piece enjoyment.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_02: And then imagine this person actually getting better and not having symptoms, and then they can get back to competing at a high level.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's part of the reason why I love what we do too, is like people can get like real-time like feedback from their body, like, oh, this is this is good, like this is helping people.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_02: I feel better right now.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I love that moment is always great when you get somebody for the first time and you go through the full evaluation, you do some treatment for it, or whatever, and afterwards you do that little recheck at the end, like I don't feel that like wait a second, I don't feel how did that happen?
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: Or like I've been dealing with it for two years, and like that moment is always great.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: I love that moment.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: I live for that moment.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, awesome, man.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: Good.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, um, let's let's land the plane and um we'll get out of here.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: And well, yeah, but you probably have somebody coming up next.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: But um, the uh yeah, thanks for thanks for chatting and sharing some of your insights, your background, your history.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and if y'all want to meet us, meet Dr.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: Matt, um, if you have any questions or issues, don't hesitate to reach out.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you can call us at our phone number 561 899 8725 Instagram.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_02: You can reach out to us, check out our website, and we at least we could reach out if you have any issues, we can at least chat on the phone and see what's going on and give you some direction.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, if it's not with us somewhere else or whatever, but we can at least we'd love to help.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll we'll catch you all next time.