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The Wolf Among Us - Episode 2 · Replay Reviews

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Guess what? We still don't have an intro. Oh, yeah. I feel like we've been doing fine without an intro. We have been.
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I think we still have an intro is our intro. Yeah.
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I mean, should we start? Yeah. Out of context, summary in this episode, an entire police precinct gets roofied,
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Bigby gets distracted by a stripper, and
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Crane is kind of a racist or a fablist,
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speciesist, whatever it is. He's very negative about it. Are you frozen or are you not moving?
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I was trying to wonder if I should say this or not, but Crane is- the current situation of how it ended and everything,
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he's probably a rapist, too.
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I don't know. I didn't know if I should say that or not, so I just kind of like sat there thinking,
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because we don't have enough detail, but the way it looks, you know, with the mirror mirror and everything,
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it kind of looks like a rapist. Oh, man.
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Should we start with the opening scene?
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Yes, let's start with the opening scene. All right, so opening scene.
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An agitated Bigby is interrogated at the police station until someone comes to the rescue,
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which leads to an incredibly awkward car ride. D is interrogated and a surprise visitor interrupts at an unfortunate moment.
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Do you want to start or should I start? You should start. Okay, so the first thing I noticed,
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Bigby looks horrible. His eyes are all red. Like, poor guy is distra- and
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this detective does not seem very good at interrogating. She- like, her strategy sucks.
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I feel like she's trying to play up like, let's be friendly kind of card, but she just-
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she's trying to befriend someone to get more information and that tactic is not gonna work with Bigby.
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Yeah, is he the only one who got brought in because- is it because he crossed the police line?
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I think it might be them just starting with him. It seems like they're just on the like more of the gathering data phase.
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Okay. And so they're gonna start with him.
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He's the only one that we see get rescued when Crane comes in and
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roofies the whole precinct. And by the way, did he actually do something helpful here for once?
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I don't think he's just being helpful. I think he's just being selfish.
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Crane is so annoying in this car ride. He's clearing his throat and looking over at Bigby.
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Just say what you're gonna say. Talk to him. Eventually Bigby
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sorta starts talking to Crane. He seems surprised when Crane says that he misses Snow.
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Bigby kind of says what we mentioned about Snow last episode that she can be kind of callous,
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but it's because she just takes her job seriously.
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Before we move on from the car ride, Bigby said he didn't want to talk,
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but Crane kept trying to talk to him and I thought that was just so disrespectful.
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But is it any surprise that that's the kind of personality he's going to have?
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He's going to have, considering how annoying he is and later he's like a speciest.
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So him just not being respectful of Bigby is, there's no surprise there.
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Yeah, agreed. By the end of the scene, Bigby's so annoyed that when he
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closes the car door, it breaks the window. So he's definitely in a mood.
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Crane and Bigby meet up with Bluebeard and he is interrogating Dee.
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And then Dee makes this joke that just, it really gets to Bluebeard. He says,
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Oh, were you planning on using that? I just thought you really liked rubbing your little sword.
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And Bluebeard's reaction, it really gets to him. He seems so, I don't know, emotional,
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unhinged. He doesn't seem like that's the best state of mind to be interrogating someone with.
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He's a brute. He doesn't use his mind as well. He just knows how to use his first and last words.
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Obviously, if they weren't working the first place, if he got nothing out of
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Dee, then I don't know why he's surprised to see that continuously punching him is going to get
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him any further. Yeah. I don't know what is up with him. He's definitely out for blood. I don't know
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why he's so angry. It seems like maybe there's some piece of information we don't know as to why
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he's so angry. But as the interrogation continues, he sort of slips up and says that he was looking
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for Faiths. And then he realizes what he's saying and sort of stops. We learn that she stole something
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from Dee's boss. There's that giant bottle of whiskey that was in Dee's personal effects.
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Where does he carry that bottle? Where does he hold that thing?
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Stick it in your pants. He says that Beauty doesn't like Bigby or something along those lines.
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And Bigby sort of questions him about it in his relationship with Beauty. And he responds,
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we're real close. What does that mean? Freaking creep. That's what he is.
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And at the end of the interrogation, this is when Bluebeard sort of loses patience and starts
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attacking Dee. And Bigby tries to stop him. And while they're sort of in a scuffle, the door opens
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and guess what? Snows back. Kind of have mixed feelings about this. Obviously, I like her
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character. I'm glad she's alive. But it's also her death was a cliffhanger at the end of the last
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episode. And then they so quickly reverse on that. Does that make the cliffhanger feel kind of cheap
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to you? What do you think? It makes me piss that they made the cliffhanger like that.
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I'm getting suspence. It's like clickbait. Yeah, it's just kind of weak. It bothers me a little bit.
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I feel like they they should have waited a little bit longer. But did you have any more notes on
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opening scene? I did. During the drive with Crane, there's an ad on a bus and it says,
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Will you be next? I don't know what it really means. But to me, it implies that are you going
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to be the next one murdered? And at this point, they didn't know that Snows still alive. But still,
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it's two people dead. Yeah, I saw that too. And I had the same the same thought. And it makes sense
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why Crane is just pushing Bigby so hard is people are freaking out in the area. Yeah, it makes sense
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that he's pushing him, but he's not trusting him, I think, to actually be able to do it.
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Mm hmm. And the next one I have is during the interrogation with D, they're asking him something
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about faith and he goes, My lips are sealed. We've heard that many times. So what is this?
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Is it a curse? Is it a spell that's placed on them? Because this is the exact same word. So you have
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to start thinking that it's probably a spell that makes everyone say the same phrase to refuse. Yeah.
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But then the question is who plays that spell and why? Yeah, there is an uncanny amount of people
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who have said this. We've heard this too many times. It's definitely not a coincidence. One
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person who said it is dead. So some sketchy is going on here for sure. Scene one, Snow is rightfully
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tense, but takes it out on Bigby. TJ is witness to a gruesome crime and Bigby investigates some new
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evidence. So I first want to comment on the most useless security guard that I've ever seen. Does
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this man just sleep? I feel like if the security was doing its job, then maybe Snow wouldn't have
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died. If that was the real Snow. Yeah, it kind of makes you wonder. There's been two heads left on
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the doorstep here. Has he really not seen anything? I'm surprised Snow hasn't fired him yet. I know.
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Maybe she doesn't have that authority. Maybe that's up to Crane. Snow is really mad at Bigby a couple
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times and I don't understand a lot of it. I don't know why she's so mad at him for hitting Dee when
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he didn't even hit him. It was only Bluebeard. Is it just because he was supposed to be in control
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of that situation? Why do you think she's mad at him specifically? I don't understand that either
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because if anything, she should be thankful that he's so mad and outraged on her behalf. And I think
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she does say a phrase, I'm not yours to lose. So we obviously know that he likes her. She doesn't
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like him being this controlling. And so I do think that they were together in the past. I don't know
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if they were married and now divorced or what the situation is. It's like instead of having to prove
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someone to be guilty, everything he does, she needs him to prove that he's innocent.
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Ruthie From context, what I've picked up on is Bigby's past handling of things isn't up to Snow's
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code or her standards. I think he's a little rougher, a little less by the book. And that
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sort of goes back to his being the big bad wolf and people just not trusting him. I think maybe
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it goes back to just a lack of trust or even fear that he's maybe not even in complete control of
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himself. Of everyone, the only person that was uncomfortable with Bigby acting like that was
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Snow. Even at the bar fights when he broke his human side and went more wolf side, people weren't
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really surprised that that's how he is, nor were they uncomfortable. I think it's just Snow. And
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I don't know if it's her opinion thinking that he could do better, but she's the only one upset
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whenever that's the situation. Everyone else we see around him sort of instigates it. It's almost
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like they're trying to get him in trouble. Right before she says, I'm not yours to lose. She asks
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him what they should do. And he said, we keep doing what we've been doing. And then she responds,
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okay, what am I supposed to do? Just sit around and wait for you to solve my problems.
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And I'm so confused. Why did she say that? I picked the option that said we. That's including
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you. So I don't know why she got so mad. I mean, I guess she's freaked out. I would be freaked out.
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I do agree that it seems like she did overreact a bit. Yeah, I understand why. But that doesn't
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change the fact that it's a bit of an overreaction. Because, again, he is trying to include her and
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respect her. I think maybe she's just nervous and that's why she's acting like that. Yeah, agreed.
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But then she says, I can take care of myself. I've been doing it for centuries. And I feel
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like that line has a bit more weight to it, maybe than you would first assume. It sounds like she
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maybe has gone through a lot of stuff. And so you can kind of see why she might have an issue trusting
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Bigby or anyone with that background. And then in combination with her lookalike being murdered,
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you can understand a little bit more about why she's acting the way she is. But I still feel bad.
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I don't know why she has to take it out on Bigby. He's like the one person trying to help her.
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I think it's because she's probably not comfortable taking it out on anyone besides Bigby.
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Snow and Bigby enter the business office to talk to TJ about what he witnessed. He
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saw a body get dumped. And all he heard was someone saying stop laughing at me. What about
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this situation of dumping a body would cause one person to laugh at another? It seems like a weird
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thing to hear during the dumping of a body. I don't know either. The only my original thought
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was that maybe TJ got confused and they weren't dumping a body. It's just he got confused with
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who was seeing it. But in the case, I don't think he would have mistaken it. So I'm thinking that
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they're probably chatting about something else. They probably dumped thousands of bodies before,
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so that's why they can just chat about their other stuff as they're dumping this body.
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Yeah, it's weird. It seems like a weirdly specific thing to hear. That's something we should keep on
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our radar. If you know anyone ever seems like they don't like being made fun of or anything like
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that, I think we should try to keep track of that. And TJ is really cute. He is really cute. I hope
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he's gonna be okay. He's definitely a little shaken up. He probably won't be going back to the river
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for a while. Makes you wonder what else, like what do we swim by? What's under the water? Not even
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that. You can be walking by a serial killer and he just decided not to kill you. Yeah, he killed
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someone last night, so he's not ready again. So the tarot cards. There's a heart with three swords.
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Three swords. In my opinion, reading three hearts, I think of it as three lives. And so far,
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two lives have died. So between having the third heart and the bus ad saying that who's next,
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I do think there's gonna be one more death. That's interesting. I like your interpretation a lot
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because it's way different than mine. Okay. So that's really funny. I like that we have two very
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different interpretations and that's why I like doing this with you. Yes. I want to hear what you
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say. So I read it as because he picks it up and says, that's appropriate. And so my note was,
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does he say this because Snow sort of just stabbed him in the heart by saying she's not his to lose?
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That was my interpretation. Anything before I move on to investigating the body? Nope. Okay. So
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after talking to TJ, Bigby and Snow go to investigate the body that they recovered from
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the river, it was glamored to look like snow. And it's pretty creepy. She's definitely weirded out.
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At one point she asks, do you think it was the same person? So I feel like we should address
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that question. Do you think it's the same killer? I do. Seem emo with cutting the heads off.
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My first reaction is they hid this body and they didn't put the ribbon in her mouth. So I thought
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it was different because one of them, it seemed like they're displaying and one of them, it seemed
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like they're trying to hide because with the first victim, they put that ring tied to the ribbon in
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her mouth. So that kind of helped identify her. And so it seemed like they wanted them to know who she
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is. But with this one, I mean, it looked like snow. So that's the difference I see that's interesting.
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Did this one have a ribbon in a ring? No, it didn't have anything. How should I say this? The ribbon
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in a way, and we'll get to see some more of this, the ribbon indicates that someone's a prostitute,
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right? And whoever the killer is, assuming it's the same person, wanted to identify Faith as a prostitute.
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But for this person glamored as snow, they probably either didn't know that that's not snow,
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or maybe the person wanted to keep them thinking that it was real snow. And having the ribbon and
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showing that in her mouth after they killed her would be the thing that shatters their illusion.
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And that brings up a good question. Was the killer trying to kill snow? Or were they just
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trying to kill a person that was glamored as her, who was the real target? And then they find a
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glamor tube in her pocket that has a lock of snow's hair and a picture of her. And she says,
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they probably broke into my apartment to steal this picture. And it was the last picture that
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she had of her and her sister. So that kind of sucks. Just think about someone stealing your
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hair and you not knowing. Way too creepy. Shortly after the tube gets opened, the body transforms.
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This is when Crane goes, should have left them all in the homelands. He's being a specious. Exactly.
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And then later, they were discussing who might have done this, who might have been her client.
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And Crane says, well, certainly another troll. Let it go, Crane. So then they notice that
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a tattoo has appeared on the troll's leg. And this is when they figure out they think it's
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Holly's missing sister, Lily. Before we move on though, I just have to say, I'm kind of impressed
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her shoes stayed on through all of this. Both shoes. Magic. Moving on to scene two. Another
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visit to the trip trap has everybody on edge until Holly learns of the tragic news. Snow is
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impressed by Bigby and he gets a new lead. So when we get there, we immediately meet Jack. First
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impressions are he's very annoying and does not know how to read a situation. That obnoxious
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behavior, juvenile behavior, trying to keep poking someone. Yeah, is that what he's doing? Is he
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trying to get her eyes out of Bigby? Is he trying to instigate a situation? I think so.
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So they tell Holly about Lily and she gives them some background information and says that
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she was hooking to pay back some debt. And this is when she mentions Georgie. So this is, I think,
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the second time we've heard his name come up. And then this is what we've been waiting for, Kathy.
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At around 42 minutes and 28 seconds, a sad Holly is walking. And this is when I thought I had noticed
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it a time or two earlier, but this definitely confirms it. They added boob physics to this game.
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And I mean, sorry, but really, at a moment like this, this character was just told her sister is
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dead and we spent time animating boob physics. It's more, I'm pretty sure in the production room,
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they're like, how do we make the scene where we tell someone that they have a family member that
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just died more sexy? Oh, let's add some boob physics. I mean, it just seems a little disrespectful,
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does it not? I mean, you're talking about people who decide to make prostitutes and strippers fully
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nude in the game. So yeah, and that's, it's not necessary, but it's at least, I don't know,
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in a situation where it makes sense. But this is just so unnecessary. And I have to wonder,
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maybe if they hadn't spent so much manpower on adding boob physics to the game, the studio
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wouldn't have gone under. You know, who knows how much money they had to pay people to animate this.
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You find the account and tell them that it was a dumb idea. We don't have the budget for boob
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physics. How many times do I need to tell you? That's probably exactly what we said. It was
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non-negotiable though, apparently. So after hearing Georgie's name, Bigby learns that he
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operates a strip club and that's where he's going to head next. But did you have any idea
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about this? I mean, I'm not sure if you saw this, but did you have anything else in scene two?
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Nope. All right. So next scene, Bigby confronts Georgie and a new character finds a creative way
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to show Bigby what he's looking for. Bigby arrives outside the puddin'n pie and runs into,
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I'm assuming, a stripper, a woman who has a very rehearsed spiel that she recites to Bigby. She
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is hearing her voice and is walking up to Bigby knowing that her soul was murdered, which she
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knows will come back necessary to pursue the cause. Meanwhile, they're...
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What would that mean?
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Anyhow, we future
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Bigby makes it into the club where Georgie is training a dancer who we had to blur a
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lot of and we're using free editing software and we don't really know what we're doing.
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And so this took me a while.
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I had to see so much boob.
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Like everyone just scanning like, is that a nipple?
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Blur it.
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Georgie's being kind of a butt head.
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He doesn't want to give Bigby much information, but he does say something that I think we'll
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talk about more at the end of the episode.
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But he had already found out about the murders and he says that basically they're circled.
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They have to look out for each other because no one else is doing it.
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Georgie tries to ignore Bigby and turns back on his beloved boombox, at which point another
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character walks over who we learned is named Hans.
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And Georgie thrusts the boombox at him and says, f*** off, Hans.
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What did Hans do?
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And then later he calls him a moron.
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He also says, Hans is confused.
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Again.
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And then later says, even Hans knows that.
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This man is taking a beating throughout this conversation.
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What did he do to deserve this?
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He probably defended one of the girls.
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Well later he kind of earns it, from Georgie's perspective at least, when he mentions a book
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that has appointments that all the girls make with their clients.
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And so then Bigby has some information, a location on where Lily met with her last client.
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And during this, the stripper sort of peeks out from the back room.
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Before we get into that conversation with her, Bigby finds some things on the ground
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in the back room.
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There's cubbies, and one of them is Faith's.
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There's a jewelry box or something, and it's broken, but there's no lock on it.
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So why would someone break it?
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Was there a struggle?
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Was someone looking for whatever she supposedly stole?
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I think it belonged to someone else that previously there was a lock and someone tried to break
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into it and she either inherited the box or someone gave her to protect the box.
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But I do think she's in a very dangerous position right now.
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The common thread right now are all females and so far people who wear ribbons.
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So the one who's helping Bigby, she needs to be careful because with the theory of the
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three swords, it's very likely that she's next.
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Yes, and I think she is freaked out.
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She seems really defeated.
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She's not very lively.
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This is when we learn that she is the Little Mermaid, but her name now is Nerissa.
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And then she starts putting lipstick on and like doesn't really stop for a while.
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How much lipstick is she gonna put on?
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An inch.
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It seemed excessive to me.
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It is excessive.
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So Bigby tries to question her and then she gives us that same line, these lips are sealed.
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And then later she says, can't talk about work.
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So is that a hint that this spell, whatever's going on with these lips are sealed, it's
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connected to work, to the strip club?
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I definitely think so.
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But she finds a way to communicate with Bigby.
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She asks if he wants to make an appointment with her and then brings back a key to a motel,
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which is the location where Lily met with her client.
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What do you think Georgie thinks now?
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Because from his perspective, Bigby came in here to interrogate him, broke his TV, and
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then what now?
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He's making an appointment with a girl?
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He's onto it, but it's not like he can refuse business.
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Exactly.
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Also, I'm impressed that Bigby knew the difference between lipstick and lip gloss when he finds
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it on the floor.
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Probably from stocking Snow White.
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It seems like something most men wouldn't know, but maybe I'm wrong.
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Also before we move on, I know they're focusing on solving these murder investigations, but
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do they not care at all about the prostitution ring?
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Is it not illegal?
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I think, and this is going to sound terrible, but especially with the fables and everything,
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these people have their own fantasies.
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And then it sounds like a lot of people are struggling in the community, so it kind of
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forces them into that.
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Anymore notes?
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Do we make a comment saying that the little mermaid, she's also wearing a ribbon?
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So that's the third person we came across, the fourth person that we came across that
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wears a ribbon.
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Here's the other thing.
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I had a note.
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What if they accidentally killed Faith thinking that it was Lily?
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Lily was killed while she was still Snow.
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And what if the original Faith just happened to be in the way and they wanted to kill Lily
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before she turned into Snow?
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Well it's an interesting question because Bigby does find a little note that says, thanks
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for covering me, and says they saw the same client.
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So we know that they both saw the same client, so we don't know if that's the case.
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I was just making a note saying that Lily seems to have met this client multiple times.
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It's not the first time she's arranged it.
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I'm wondering if this already happened multiple times, they cover each other, so it could
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have been Faith, it could have been Lily, it was a mix up, and so the killer just decided
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that, you know what, I'm just gonna kill both of them.
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Alright final scene.
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Bigby runs into an embarrassed beauty and a misunderstanding follows.
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The crime scene is discovered and Bigby finds some shocking evidence.
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So my first note is, what is the cop?
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Nothing.
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Was he with the prostitute?
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Considering him and the security, they don't do anything for the city or for the people
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in terms of their job duty.
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What are you doing?
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There's a bug in front of me.
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Sorry.
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Yeah, so the cops do nothing for the people, they're doing stuff for their private lives
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and everything, but in terms of for the community and what they're supposed to be doing, they
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don't contribute anything.
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Yeah, they're being illegal in this case.
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And then I like how he tries to hide his face from Bigby even though he already got a clear
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look at his face.
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Bigby gets inside the motel where we find Beauty is working the front desk, and this
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is when we learn her secret that she is working here to pay back a loan that she took out
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to help pay her and Beast's rent.
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We hear the name, the Cricket Man.
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And then Bigby asks, why didn't she go to him or Snow for help?
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And she says that she tried, but got no help.
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That was the one thing I was going to talk about was the overall theme is people have
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tried to get his help or Snow's help.
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I don't know if they don't have the resources to help or they just aren't prioritizing it.
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I don't know exactly what it is, but the overall theme is that people are mad at Snow and Bigby
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for not doing their jobs, but they're also kind of trying to do their jobs.
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They're just hands are tied.
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Yeah, let's talk about this now.
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I had it as an episode look back, but this is the last mention we see an episode of it,
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so it makes sense to talk about it here.
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And yeah, it's just that's my question is what role is the leadership's failure playing
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in the events of this game so far?
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Because we had Georgie saying, we have to look out for each other.
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Basically, like you guys aren't doing that.
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And then we have Beauty saying that she tried to go in for help and nobody listened.
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And then we also have Holly saying that she reported her sister missing and nothing ever
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came of it.
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And we also have Toad just being mad at Bigby for choosing to go after everything besides
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him.
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Like whenever at the start, he always takes care of everything.
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Toad's the last thing on his list.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And Toad knows that.
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And it seems like they know it's broken.
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Snow wants to fix it.
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You can see how frustrated she is with not being able to help everybody.
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I mean, what could they be doing better than his crane getting in the way because he needs
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his wine and his massages?
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I mean, that's part of the problem.
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He's draining the resources that they have.
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But it kind of seems like Bigby's the only competent cop around.
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Yeah, for sure.
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It seems like he's the only one who can really enforce anything.
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But yeah, do you think that their lack of being able to help is pushing people into
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these situations?
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My gut was to say yes, but they're also not to be blamed.
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I mean, they're not making the situation better, but they're not also the reason why it's the
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way it is.
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Yeah, so maybe people like Georgie are sort of stepping in because leadership is leaving
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those gaps.
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And they're using that space and that power that they get to sort of control other people.
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And so yeah, it's not leadership's fault, but they're leaving an opening for less savory
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people to step in and take some control.
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Beauty accompanies Bigby around the motel while he's looking for room 207.
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And when they're about to enter, Beast shows up and assumes they're having an affair.
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And yeah, it doesn't look good.
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But why would they go there to do it?
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And why was he there?
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Do we ever know why he was?
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Why did Beast show up there?
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That's actually a good question.
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Why did Beast show up there?
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I don't know.
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What were you gonna do there, Beast?
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Did he have a prearranged appointment?
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Right?
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But it doesn't look good and he gets mad and they start fighting.
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Beauty says don't hurt him, so I intentionally missed some QTEs because I didn't want to
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hurt him.
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And throughout all of this, they're trying to convince him like, just listen, it's not
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what you think.
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But he's just too dense and eventually he tackles Bigby through the door.
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And that's when they discover the crime scene.
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What are your first impressions when looking at the crime scene?
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Oh my god, what is this?
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That was my first reaction.
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And my second one is that is there a dead body on the bed or on the floor somewhere
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in the room?
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Yeah.
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Is there another dead body here?
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It's definitely intense.
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It's disturbing.
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We see a very bloody bed surrounded by a circle of flowers, which appear to be the same flowers
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that they earlier found in Lily's hand.
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Bigby starts investigating the room.
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He finds cigarettes and they're his brand, Huff and Puff.
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And so this is another thing I think we should keep track of.
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Does anybody else smoke this brand?
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Because they make a comment, I thought only you smoked that crap brand.
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But the other thing is that it seems like everyone knows that he's the only one so far
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that we know of that smokes Huff and Puff.
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So I mean, if they wanted to frame him, it's pretty obvious which brand of cigarettes they're
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gonna put out.
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Bigby finds a packet of photographs, one of which he's in.
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He says it's from last winter.
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And the last photo is a picture of Crane doing something pretty gross.
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It's creepy.
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Two Lily glamored as Snow White.
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This guy.
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We already hated him.
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And this is when I give him his new name.
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He's no longer Ichabod Crane.
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He's Ichybod Crane.
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That's a good one.
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He is really icky.
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He is icky.
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And this just confirms it.
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Let's go down the idea, down the path that Crane is the killer.
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And considering how much of a jerk he is to Snow, was he just really rough with Lily in
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that he accidentally killed her and then he just got really sick and set to decapitate
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her head?
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Or do you think he genuinely thought that Snow died?
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I guess like, stepping and taking a step back, do you think Crane knew that Snow wasn't dead?
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Or do you think Snow was dead in his opinion?
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I don't know because he seems pretty sincere in the car and I feel like what we know about
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him, he wouldn't be a good liar.
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There's a bottle of wine in the room and it's the same bottle that Buff can steal off of
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Crane's desk in chapter one.
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Dude, I didn't know that.
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Good observation skills.
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We see in the last moment of this episode, Crane is spying on Bigby using the magic mirror,
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which he then smashes with the magic lamp.
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And my question to you is, is he breaking the mirror to be smart?
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Or is it just because he's mad at Bigby?
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I mean, I understand the latter.
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I think it's just out of frustration.
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He's just too emotional to be able to do anything right now.
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So I do think that he's just doing that out of frustration.
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I feel like he's just pissed at Bigby, which brings me into my next point, which I just
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have titled Icky Bod Crane.
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And I feel like all of Crane's behavior pre-reveal of this picture of him, it's really good writing
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because you can see he gets mad.
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He's got these weird facial expressions where he looks kind of nervous.
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And then he's got these intense reactions and comments about the troll.
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And so I think is he embarrassed that he was canoodling with the troll?
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I think so.
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Did he even know she was a troll or did he only see her glamored?
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Maybe he's surprised.
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Also back at the start of the episode when they're in the car, I made a note initially
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like he does not know how to not push Bigby's buttons.
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But now I'm wondering, is he just jealous of Bigby's relationship with Snow?
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Even though they're not together, they're close and they get along.
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So is he just jealous of that and he's kind of lashing out at Bigby in this moment?
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Or do you think he's just stupid?
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Which reminds me, there's also another scene where when they're doing the autopsy where
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he's like telling something about Snow shouldn't go and Bigby's like, oh, Snow can speak for
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herself and that pisses off Crane.
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So I think he just has, it's just another reason for him to hate Bigby.
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My final point in the Ichibod Crane conversation is he broke into her apartment.
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He took a lock of her hair.
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He stole her important photograph of her and her sister.
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He's horrible.
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He's a stalker.
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And then additionally, when Bigby finds the perfume on the body, Snow's kind of creeped
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out and she's like, how do you know what perfume I wear?
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But he's like, it's his sense of smell because he's a wolf.
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But then you realize, okay, Crane knew what her perfume was too.
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He doesn't have super smell, although he might with that nose.
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He's so icky.
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What if he has someone doing this for him?
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What if it's not him?
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And we know that the murder isn't just doing it by themselves based on what TJ said.
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Yeah.
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Who do we think is behind this?
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I mean, Crane looks pretty bad right now, but like you said, it sounded like there was
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more than one person dumping the body.
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I don't know if it's killing, but I do think Tootle-D and Tootletum are part of it.
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I don't know what role they play, but I do think that they're part of it.
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They're everywhere and it makes them very suspicious.
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But do you think Crane killed Lily?
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I think so.
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I don't see any reason to not believe he killed her.
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It does not look good.
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It looks quite a bit like he killed her.
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But then my only question with that is why would he leave a picture of himself at the
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crime scene?
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Don't serial killers love having tokens or something like that or some kind of sign off?
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Maybe that was it.
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Yeah, but usually it doesn't reveal who you are.
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You know what I mean?
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Alright, well in this episode, Bigby smoked three cigarettes and also Dee's cigar.
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So I don't know if that counts, but current cigarette counter is 8 plus 1 cigar.
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I think you should guess how many there will be in the next episode.
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How long is the next episode, Dee?
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Oh, you're asking questions, huh?
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Because if it's a short one, that's not fair.
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Alright, let me check.
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It's an hour 20 and 52 seconds, if you want to be that specific.
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I say he's gonna smoke 8.
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8.
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It's gonna be a rough episode, so I think.
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Alright, I've written down your final answer and we'll see if you're right.
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What are you guessing?
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Well, I've seen it before, so I'm not gonna guess.
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That doesn't feel fair.
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But maybe I'll guess the whole game.
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Okay.
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I'll write down a guess.
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The whole game, let's see.
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I'm gonna guess 17.
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My 8 is way too high then.
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You already guessed.
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You can't change it.
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I wrote it down.
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What if he quit smoking in the middle of the episode?
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Then he's not gonna need his fridge anymore.
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Anything else before we jump off?
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Not that I can think of.
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Alright, well chapter 3 gameplay will be up shortly and we'll talk about it next week.
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Count us off, Kathy.
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Okay, and we'll end in 3, 2, 1.