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#156 - Dennis Campbell - From Technology to Music · The Chris and Mike Show

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And. We're up there, boys and girls.
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This is a rare afternoon version on a Friday.
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We're talking with Amanda, Dennis Campbell.
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See how I timed that? It said yeah when I said Dennis
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Campbell. Hopefully, my man, hopefully my
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internet's not whacking day, man, it's been whack in the
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afternoon for some reason. I don't know why.
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So what's up there? 29 countries now.
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M29 welcome. 29 countries. Hello 29 countries, Chris and
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Mike. This.
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Is Dennis Campbell Mr. Biz and tech Yes, we are here on twitch
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and YouTube live. So we had Dennis on before all
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talking about AI and stuff, which is really cool because the
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the short time, well, not the short time, but from the time
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that you were on Dennis to like within two or three weeks, the
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AI like experience just just went insane, dude.
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Like we were talking then about, you know, the more you feed it
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all the kind of stuff we learned so much from you about the the
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the what was it? The it's not the digital cloud.
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What is it that that stores it? The data cloud.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah.
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How that just like, 'cause it's just within really like within
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two weeks, all of a sudden the mimicking of the human, like I
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sent Mike something and he had no idea.
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And then I was like, dude, look at it again.
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That's not me. But just in that short time you
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said it's going to, it's going to catapult itself and it and it
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hasn't. But that's not why we're here
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today, right? We're here to talk about your
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music. Yeah, man, I definitely, this is
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like my first real music interview too, man.
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I've done a lot of podcasts. Never done when around my
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middle. I'm so excited man.
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Cool. We're happy to talk.
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First podcast around talking about it.
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That's awesome. Absolutely.
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So let's talk about your music, man.
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What's going on? Yeah, man, so I mean, I've been
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an artist for some years, man. Like I like I told you all
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before, man, I've been recording for years.
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Really. When I moved to Atlanta in 2008
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for college, I got into like some music production group when
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I was in college. I went to college at Georgia
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Tech. So I right, I definitely, you
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know, it's in the heart of Atlanta.
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Of course it's a tech school, but there's of course the
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culture of hip hop is like all do Atlanta.
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So it's one of those things where I just got into these
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groups of guys that like, they made beach, they made music.
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I mean, that's kind of what's the journey of me starting to
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create music. I had always loved hip hop.
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I sold mixtape when I was in high school and always was kind
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of abreast of the newest and most latest hip hop music.
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But I never created any until I got to Atlanta.
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And it was just kind of like a natural thing out there.
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It was like one of the things people did just to network and
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have fun. It was like like I used to just
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go play basketball with my friends when I was younger and
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stuff like that. I get to Atlanta and like a lot
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of my friends like making beats and going to studios and stuff
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like this. So, well, it kind of just became
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a thing that was a, it was really just a hobby for quite
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some time. It was a, a really passionate
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hobby for me. And over time it just kept
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evolving and evolving. Eventually one of my closest
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friends, he's originally from Virginia and he, he, he was a
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producer his whole life and he kind of had a studio in this
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dorm room. Then when we kind of started
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being roommates later on, he had a studio in the house we lived
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in. So we had a studio literally
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like right across the hallway from my bedroom for like years.
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So I could just kind of like mess around with the process of
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recording and stuff like that. So like I said, I've been
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recording for shoot over since like 22, 2009.
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I mean, it feels like I've been recording for a really, really
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long time now. And I, and I just stepped off of
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the the porch and it kind of said I want to become like more
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of a public facing artist outside of everything else that
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I do in tech, because it really just aligned with the the story
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and the narrative that I was trying to bring with who I was
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now and kind of making a more authentic version of myself.
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So I, I released my first single this summer.
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I've set a date to release my first album in October.
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I released the album earlier in October.
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And now I'm kind of excited to, to see kind of how things kind
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of unfold as I continue to do what I'm doing to tech and
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seeing how much attention I can bring to the music.
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Because my music, it means a lot to who I am.
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And it just kind of lines up really, really well with where
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I'm at professionally, personally, all those kind of
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things right now. So see, I'm excited, man.
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So it's a good time for sure. So, so with, with your tech side
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of life, right, because your tech side, I mean, Mike and I
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both follow you both watch what you do.
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It's it blows me away, man Appreciate it.
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So how much of how much of that are you going to incorporate
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into the, into the promoting and the publicizing of the music?
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So, because I've seen some stuff, right?
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Yeah, so you like, and I kind of do it in waves like I've
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promoted my music in waves like so I created a mix tape last
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year and then the mix tape really just to feel out to see
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if people kind of like with embrace what I do in music and
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stuff like that. And I got a pretty decent
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responds from the mixtape. So I did a little bit of work
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earlier this year to kind of like before I released my
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single, I kind of re released the mixtape.
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And I did like this series where I just kind of sit at my desk.
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I put on a suit, the tie, and I kind of just spit the verses
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that I had on my mixtape to kind of bring some more engagement to
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it and stuff like that. And I kind of got a decent
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response from that. And then I rolled out my single.
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So when it comes to the stories that I tell in my music, it's
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very much so aligned with the journey that I've had in
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technology and as an entrepreneur.
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So I say, and I use a lot of tech to kind of infuse in my
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music marketing and stuff like this.
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So I've used stuff like hating and different platforms to kind
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of create content. I also all of my music videos,
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like I haven't produced a music video outside of those desk
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videos that I shoot myself. All of my videos are kind of AI
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content generated. So all of my music is mine, but
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I write my music, I pick and select my own beats and all that
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kind of other stuff, go in and work with engineers and stuff
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like that. But for my visuals, I do a lot
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of AI visual creation. I have two AI videos.
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I have a third one that I'm producing right now.
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So I do see AI is kind of like the tool that I'll use to kind
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of make visuals for the content that I create.
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But I just don't see myself being like this music, like
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performing music artists all the time.
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Like I just don't see myself like shifting my gear from being
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like I, I can get paid quite heavily just to go talk
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somewhere and talk to people about technology and talk to
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people about different topics in XR and all this kind of other
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stuff. So I don't necessarily see
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myself like just diving into being a performing artist, but I
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do see opportunities where it could make sense for me to
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perform. But I think it's going to be a
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world where I kind of just create the music and let it kind
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of live in the digital space and let AI be the place where I kind
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of create visuals for my content and stuff like that.
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But I never say never though, you know, you never know, I
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might end up doing certain things.
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But but yeah, right now that's how I'm kind of seeing it at
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least. So are you going into a studio
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when you're done with the song, like a professional studio?
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Are you, are you doing all the recording yourself?
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I'm going to real studio. So like I used when I was in
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Atlanta, I used to record in my house.
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Like we had a pretty good studio at my home though.
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But right now I go to real studios.
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Everything that I do, I don't have a studio at my home out
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here in California. So when I record, I started
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recording my album back in Saint Louis in the studio that was
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there about last winter time. So last winter I went in with
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one of my brothers, he with one of my brother's closest friends.
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He's an engineer, producer, He's also an artist too, but he
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started helping me record the album.
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So went into probably about four or five sessions with him,
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started recording the album. Then when I got back to
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California, they got me a couple of engineers out here, a few
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studios, and then I finished recording the rest of the
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records. But yeah, and I write all my
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stuff kind of whenever I fit, get the urge in the neck and
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then kind of practice, perform a little bit and then I go into
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the studio and record stuff. See, I think that's really cool,
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man. I would have never guessed that
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because you're so far immersed in technology.
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I think that's cool that in the space that you don't feel as
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comfortable, you leave that to the professionals.
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I would have thought that, you know, being technologies, you
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know, tech savvy, you would have been trying to do it yourself,
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which actually would have been totally cool in the beginning.
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That's what I did like when I was learning this stuff and I
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wouldn't I wouldn't go pay somebody to record me or I pay
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for a beat. I was just kind of going to the
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studio we had in our house, go find some beats, RIP some stuff
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off YouTube and just kind of writing the record and stuff
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like that. I did did that for years.
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But once I wanted to start taking a little bit more
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seriously and of course now I got a wife and son and it's like
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a separation between what I do from a creative and a musical
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standpoint and what I actually do here in my home.
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So I kind of like having to go somewhere to record my music and
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kind of putting me the engineering process, which I do
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know how to run Pro Tools and all that kind of other stuff.
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Probably not at the level of a professional sound engineer or
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anything of that nature, but I do know how to work my way
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around all of those technologies.
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So, yeah, but I do like prefer working with an engineer,
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working with somebody who's recording me, mixing all my
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records and stuff like that because it just kind of gives me
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a a little bit of, I really love the creation process more than I
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like all of the other stuff when it comes to engineering music
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and sounds. So, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. I like having that other person
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to bounce ideas off of. You know, I'm not somebody
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that's so egocentric that it's my way or the highway.
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I'm actually looking at everybody else in the room.
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Does that really sound good? You know?
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Exactly. Am I trying to talk myself into
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this or do you guys think it's cool too?
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I like that feedback the same, man.
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That's why I love the engineer that I work with out here
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because like he doesn't know me from the can of paint.
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Like the other engineer that I work with in Saint Louis, like
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he's kind of like he's a he's one of my little brother's
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closest friends. So kind of they all kind of been
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around me for years and stuff like this.
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So they know exactly who I am and what I do outside of the
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music. The engineers that I work
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without her in California, like they don't know too much about
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me unless I tell them too much, which I don't typically go into
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all of it when I'm in the studio out here and they just kind of
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recording the guy who sings like a a new artist or someone who's
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just a artist that likes rapping and stuff like this.
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So it for me, it's cool because when I get, I go go to their
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studio and they have random people in there and I just kind
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of get their reaction that gives me a little bit of a sound
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canvas to the stuff that I'm creating that's outside of my
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typical network and stuff like that.
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Well, like the other day Chris sent me a set of lyrics and all
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of a sudden I got excited. You know, it's like that sparks
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that creative side of you, you know what you want to make that
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person happy. And all of a sudden I'm hearing
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all this music that goes with these lyrics.
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And I wasn't even thinking about that 5 seconds before my phone
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went off, you know, and all of a sudden now.
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Thank you. And that, that that dude, that
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song I randomly found because I was looking for something.
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I was looking for somebody in my e-mail thread.
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And so I typed the name in. And then and so then there I'm
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like, oh shit, I'm like, I want if I ever sent this to Mike.
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And then so I sent it to him. I was like, did I send you this?
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He's like, no, I'm like, oh, right on.
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I said. But I absolutely love it.
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Yeah, well, you've never not loved anything I've sent you,
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which so you're kind of biased. You know, you're the yes man of
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the band. But I get like, but that's kind
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of what Dennis was saying, right when you're and the phrase you
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said doesn't know me from a can of paint.
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Never heard that. That's funny as hell.
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But that's that's true though, right.
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Somebody that you you've spent time with doing things, they
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know everything about you. So it's different going, like
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you said, going to California work with working with a new
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engineer. And unless you, unless you kind
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of purge who you are, they're just looking at you as an artist
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who's in there to do work and get and get, you know,
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whatever's in your head down. So it's a different, it's a
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different approach, right? So they're not going to be like,
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Oh yes, Dennis, that's nice to be like, man, you know what?
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I just, I wouldn't do it that way.
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I would do it this way. Yeah, You don't have that brutal
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honesty that, you know, you and I, we're going to say, hey, you
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got to try that again because that's not good.
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They're like, if you're going to pay me 50 bucks an hour, I'm
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just going to get it down and we're going to send you on your
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way. Yeah, of course.
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Yeah, that's why. And me being the kind of person
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I am with my creativity, like I, oh, when I go into these studio
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sessions, I might book it for an hour to maybe a couple hours,
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something like that. And I'm super particular with my
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time when I go in there. So.
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And I'm knowing what I want to, I know what the vision I want to
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have by the time I come out of there.
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And I'll just kind of give him the free reign to kind of do
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certain things from a sound canvas perspective, like making
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the aesthetics and effects a certain kind of way.
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But I'm already kind of having an idea of like what I really
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want this to feel like. Because I probably rehearsed it
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multiple times before I go to the studio just so I can get the
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best bang for my book when I go in there recording and stuff
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like that. But yeah, that definitely comes
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when it just comes with a lot of time to recording and stuff like
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that. It just, I know it how to be
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official in my time with these guys for sure.
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And I definitely don't have enough time to tell them a whole
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story like they would. They'll never know their the
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whole the whole rundown. And they'll just kind of be
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like, yeah, man, this guy, cool. He kind of like technology and
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he's coming here rapping like it's 1998 or something like
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that. You know what I'm saying?
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Well, those would have been the only debates that Chris and I
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had because he always wanted his voice to be as pure as possible,
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which I appreciated, right? But there's certain times where
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effects add to the song's character, and they're
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necessary. And, you know, it wasn't hard to
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talk him into. It's like, here, here's what it
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sounds like without it, and here's what it sounds like with
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it. We can do it either way.
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I don't care more. Often, but it was right and it
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was subtle too. It wasn't it wasn't like we were
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before auto tune, all that kind of shit.
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So it wasn't, it wasn't such a heavy effect and delay because
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it was reverbent and delay. And and when, when he did it
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with me when we were recording songs, and then when, when Jason
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did it at the Mesa Jar as our sound guy and he showed me the
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difference in like, oh, OK, So it's still, it was still my, my
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voice. It wasn't altering my sound.
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It wasn't altering my pitch and my tones.
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It was still my authentic self. It just gave it that little
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boast underneath it that helped it carry or, you know, help help
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it sound as a fuller sound with the band.
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It also became painfully obvious to me that he had never been
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around people who knew how to time the delays and the reverbs
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to the tempo with the song right.
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So at the end of every measure it disappears as long as you've
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timed it right. Nowadays all that stuff happens
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automatically inside Pro Tools. But to his point, you had to
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know how to do that back then. You know, if the song was 160
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beats a minute, I don't know the math anymore, but you had to
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know that it had to be a 25 millisecond delay, right?
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Otherwise it went too short or too long, Not for sure.
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I don't think you does does does rap music, Does rap music use
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delays and rebirth? For sure.
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Oh, for sure, definitely. It's for sure.
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And I said for sure. It just brings more fullness to
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the vocals and stuff like that. Yeah, definitely.
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Yeah. And it becomes a creative.
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That was the other thing that you know what, as we were
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talking about it, it becomes a creative tool too.
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Sometimes it's cool to make it extend out forever, you know,
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like at the end of a song or something, let his vocal just
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repeat over and over again as the music stops.
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Sometimes it's a creative tool as well.
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Not for sure. I, I definitely, I can, I just,
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I do some real cool stuff. So I, I would love to talk a
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little bit about my album, but I, I, based off of what you're
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saying, I just did a record with a artist.
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So I I don't do a lot of collaborations recently, like I
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just kind of been doing my own thing.
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But I recently connected with an AI artist.
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So it's a guy, he's actually a real artist, but he's created
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like an AI persona for his music and stuff like that.
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And he that's interesting. Yeah, it's super dope.
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So he is different for sure. Let me say it's different.
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And his music, he has some really dope stuff that he's
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created. So I started collaborating with
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him a little while ago and he we made a record and so he sent me
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this record. It's totally like, it's not like
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in the same vein as the kind of music I make.
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It's like just a totally different field.
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It's almost like stadium kind of music.
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It's really vibe and stuff like that.
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I'm making really like my stuff is like, I wouldn't say grungy,
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but it's like it's very much so rap rap.
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Like I'm like really rapping bars and I'm talking like about
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really deep concepts and topics here and there and stuff like
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that. But the record he sent to me was
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super dope. So we I put a verse on the
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record and he works with some really cool engineers.
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He's out of the Bay Area. The artist's name is YB Ghosty.
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So he he works with some really cool engineers, one of his
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engineers kind of engineers like E40 and a couple other guys in
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in the Bay Area. And he had his engineer re like
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mix the song after I have laid my verse because he sent me the
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record. Then I put my verse on it with a
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in a different studio. Then I sent him back all of the
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stems and all the stuff from the session, and he had his engineer
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go back in and do some stuff similar to what you were just
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talking about, Mike, where his engineer just took the song to
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another level with like vocal effects and reverse delay.
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And like it was added more to the beat.
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And it was just like, yo, this is like, it was like a, I
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wouldn't even say a totally different record, but it was
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just like the record on like times 10 or something like, And
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I was like, yeah, this is the type of effect that you would
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want to engineer to bring to your record if they're going to
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come in and heighten the the quality of the record.
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But but he definitely somebody with a good ear and a good set
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of tools. Super good ear man.
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He's been doing it for years, like 20 plus years of experience
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mixing and engineering some of the best artists in the game and
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having to work on their record and then hearing it was just
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like, yo, yeah, this is the kind of stuff that this is the the
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tale of legend. Like you just hear you see guys
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that do this kind of stuff, but once they kind of put their
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hands on stuff that you're creating, it's just like, Yo,
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this is nice, Jay. Like I I have an appreciation
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for engineers for sure. Like I love my my goddess, like
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my little brother's friend who engineers my sound like I'm
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really my album. I consider like a demo now.
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I think I'm going to re record my whole album and I'm going to
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turn it into like a more produced and polished version
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like later on this year, later on next year sometime I'll
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probably be releasing. But I'm definitely going to let
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him kind of engineer my whole album next time I come through
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because I do like the guys I work with, Kelly out here.
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But I think it's just a certain, it's a particular level of skill
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that you really want the engineer to have to to bring the
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best out of a record, especially the kind of records that I'm
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writing and stuff like this. So definitely I find a lot of
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value in engineering skill for sure.
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So you released a single, right? Or you released a single?
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Yep. OK, so where do we find the
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single? So my single is right now it's
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on even dot biz, but so even dot biz I all my music is direct to
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consumer. Like I, I do have some of my
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records placed on YouTube. So like the single is actually,
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I have two videos on YouTube. 1 is called well, the first single
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is called Why wait? So the record is titled in a way
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that kind of lines up really, really well with me becoming an
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artist. It's why wait like don't move it
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urgency. It's kind of one of those things
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it's like a call to action record.
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So I have two and made it AI videos, but I only put like the
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first verse on most of the videos so that I could kind of
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drive people to want to come and buy the single from the even
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Diabetes. But yeah, so that's like the
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first song I released the album is out to right now on Even dot
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BS. So everything I have is on Even
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dot BS. I am planning on like releasing
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that first single on like Spotify and maybe like one or
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two other streaming platforms maybe around Christmas time or
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something like that, or later on in this month, just because I
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want to kind of start exposing some of the stuff to a broader
18:44
audience. But right now it's YouTube for
18:47
visuals and Even dot BS to actually get access directly to
18:50
the to the record. What's your what's your, what's
18:52
your YouTube channel? Mr. Biz and Tech, Everything is
18:54
Mr. Biz and Tech. OK, I was just making sure.
18:57
No, you all good. I was I no, I wasn't sure if you
18:59
if you were going to kind of do you know, you do the different
19:03
with the with the with the with the music part for me.
19:05
So that's why I asked. No, yeah, no, I fuse it all
19:07
together. It's now the music lines up with
19:09
what I'm doing in technology. Like I, I actually describe my
19:13
music as like, it's like my Wellness action.
19:16
It's like my when I go into the process of, yeah, if you go to
19:20
videos, you'll see it and you can kind of Scroll down.
19:22
We start releasing the AI series, but it should be like
19:24
the 4th to 5th video in there. But what I did was yes, that
19:28
first one right there. So what I did with the music now
19:32
I just call it a Wellness action.
19:34
So like it's something that I do to keep my mind right, to keep
19:36
my mental kind of in the right space and, and I kind of align
19:40
it with what I'm doing in the XR and AI space with the Wellness
19:43
action. Somewhere in the future, the
19:45
truth of hip hop was locked away.
19:48
The words that spoke to the people.
19:50
The beats that carried healing, hustle and hope.
19:53
The records that. Build.
19:54
Community. This party is, yeah.
19:56
All of it sealed inside a vault. Sure.
19:59
Amazing man. What's?
20:00
Left out here, noise empty. Verse.
20:04
The verse will come in right after.
20:05
Me stripped of its roots. But that vault can't stay closed
20:09
forever. This record, Why wait is more
20:12
than music. It's a signal, a reminder, a
20:15
key. Because the longer we wait, the
20:18
more we lose. The heartbeat of real hip hop is
20:21
still alive, but only if we unlock it together now.
20:33
Look, I used to play a humble play back and all I ever did was
20:37
get played. It's $5011.00 or something.
20:39
Ways for you to get paid. If you ain't like the way she
20:42
was going, why'd you stay? Why wait to the mall to get done
20:45
what you can't do today? Look, I said why wait?
20:50
Look, I said why wait. I said why wait, look why wait
20:57
I'm a once in a lifetime experience y'all really ain't
21:00
experiencing. I can hear it and you sent to me
21:03
know you smell it on me. Yeah I'm having sin and I'm
21:05
better than start it. As a rookie network veteran
21:08
myself, the only thing I'm focused on getting better than
21:11
the meat in the floaty candy. I'm spending that medicine
21:14
helping to hear a lot of people from there read to read it back
21:17
and all I have to deal with get played
21:45
just to take debate. I'm ready for war action all
21:47
weekend debate. But in American history, and
21:50
sometimes I cannot relate. The vault is opening, but this
21:54
is just the beginning. To hear the full record, head to
21:58
Even dot Biz, Search Mr. Biz and text.
22:02
Don't wait. Don't let it get locked away
22:05
again. Something ways for you to get
22:08
paid. If you ain't like the way she
22:10
was going, why'd you stay? Why wait to the mall to get done
22:13
what you can't do today? Look, I said why wait?
22:16
Why wait? Look.
22:18
That's cool, dude. That is really cool, man.
22:21
Appreciate it. Appreciate it guys.
22:23
Appreciate it, that is like shit is amazing man.
22:27
So how long? I want to know how long it take
22:29
you to make that video. That video, it probably took me,
22:33
I want to say probably like 2 1/2 three weeks.
22:37
And the one I'm producing right now, it's probably about to take
22:40
me like a month, a month and a half.
22:42
The the the first one I made, it took like a few days.
22:45
The quality of it isn't as good. Like I've been working with some
22:48
other AI creators right now. So I the third one that I'm
22:50
making, which would be the final video for why wait?
22:53
Like I, I have one more video that I've been trying to get my
22:57
AI video quality like creation of.
22:59
So I've been really working with some people that have been
23:00
making like almost movies and and really, really quality
23:04
stuff. So when the last one I'm making,
23:06
it's kind of like AF1 video. It's going to be like a racing
23:09
people just driving, flying, flying cars and kind of it's
23:13
going to give a really crazy effect.
23:14
But that one I'm I'm hoping to bring us totally different level
23:17
of quality too. I want, I want I want the prompt
23:21
that got you in Times Square that, that I want that because I
23:26
want to put myself on Times Square for marketing shit.
23:28
That would be badass. That would be.
23:30
So that was freaking cool, man. That was like we get Chris and
23:34
Mike show in Times Square and everybody, holy shit, they're in
23:36
Times Square. That That's that's amazing,
23:39
Dennis. That's and the music is cool.
23:41
So the yeah, the music's got a hook.
23:44
It's a lot. Yeah.
23:45
It's catchy. It's cool.
23:46
It's got to groove. I can see what you're saying
23:50
about going back to like kind of the more old school rap.
23:53
It's kind of like you. You got a modern twist on that
23:56
though, which is really cool. A lot of it has to do with
23:59
you're an amazing AI artist for sure, with your visuals and your
24:02
background. That was two weeks well spent.
24:04
That was really cool. I enjoyed watching the visuals.
24:08
It synced up well with the music, which it's very old
24:12
school rap. It is.
24:13
I appreciate it. I appreciate it, man.
24:15
I mean, I would love to play out maybe like one or two other
24:17
records and maybe you all can hear because I have some stuff
24:20
like that record I liked a lot. So I laid it out first because
24:23
it just lined up where I'm at right now.
24:24
Like I'm really in this place where I feel like I'm moving a
24:28
certain kind of way. But I also wanted to call other
24:30
people to kind of especially in the time of AI, Like I just feel
24:34
like a lot of people are hesitant, fearful.
24:36
And I think now it's time for more people to it's kind of
24:41
really move with a little bit more urgency around some of the
24:44
stuff that's going on because we can't let AI kind of just come
24:50
in and take over without people actually having the right reins
24:52
on it and stuff like that. But I'll play 11.
24:55
So like none of my other records are publicly actually like
24:57
everything else is like all there.
24:59
So I would have to probably like do a small screen share.
25:02
I'll probably play something out of my eye and I want to get you
25:06
all feedback on these records. Nobody's heard these records
25:08
yet. So I want to kind of give some
25:10
some context here. Nobody's heard these records
25:12
yet, but I'll give a kind of tease for some of this stuff
25:15
because the album is definitely it's it's it's good Like it,
25:20
it's really, really good. From my perspective.
25:22
After I've let a decent amount of people hear it now I'm more
25:25
excited about the the next frontier, what I want to do in
25:28
the next part of it. But I have a record is called
25:31
Move Around. It's like, I feel like it's like
25:34
a record that's going to like really take my my musical kind
25:39
of position into like a different spot.
25:41
I want to pull it up really quickly.
25:43
I'm going to play it out of my iTunes.
25:45
I think it should. Let me stream it out of here.
25:48
OK, well, I'm super critical of sounds, man, and whoever's
25:54
helping you engineer that, kudos to them because, yeah, that they
25:57
can ruin a good song. Super quick and very true.
26:01
They made you sound really good behind it.
26:03
It's not overdone. And like Chris said, it's got a
26:05
cool groove to it. The tempo was just right.
26:09
Yeah, I think you need a I need. I think you need some
26:11
rock'n'roll background going or something, man.
26:14
Just saying. Yeah, if you ever need any loud
26:16
guitars, I'm your guy brother, man, I definitely want to get
26:18
into. Southern Rock and and the
26:21
southern rock type vocal nothing or Freeman is the song we play.
26:26
That's Mike and I Okay, so everyone.
26:28
Let me know if the music, Yeah, I definitely will.
26:31
Eventually when I get to producing my next version of my
26:33
album, I definitely I'll reach out to you because I do want to
26:36
bring some more high quality production to the music.
26:41
I noticed I have the capability to do stems in the studio.
26:45
One that I just paid for. I had to upgrade my subscription
26:48
and that was one of the new things that they have in this
26:51
version is the capability to do stems.
26:54
No, that makes a lot of sense. All right, let me see if it's
26:57
cool. Is he sharing?
27:00
I won't let I'm in the browser he's trying to get me.
27:04
I think we have to share it from our end, but you know, we I
27:06
mean, it's not like we can't do this again and and figure and
27:09
not for plan that stuff and check it.
27:10
Out If you send Chris through a text, he can share it.
27:13
Yeah, I can do that right now. Yeah, we can keep talking and
27:15
I'll send it over to Chris right now.
27:16
I'll let you see. I'll send one of these right to
27:18
you right now. You gotta send it to the He's
27:21
gotta send it to the chat though, right?
27:22
Because if he sends it to my phone I can't share.
27:23
It all right, send it away, Drop it into the media off your
27:26
desktop. Where?
27:27
Where can I send it in here? It's like he just like we did
27:30
the back. That goes above my head, Mike.
27:32
Send it to Mike. Then Mike can figure that out.
27:34
That shit went right. Went above my head man.
27:38
All right, let me see what I can do here.
27:39
How can I get it to you all? I can get some color to my
27:43
album. Too isn't there?
27:45
Do we have a chat? We got a chat.
27:48
Yeah, yeah, we do studio chat. Oh yeah, The chat doesn't let
27:53
file drop. It doesn't look like.
27:57
Let me see. Come on, Riverside.
27:59
Let him drop a file in there. Do better.
28:03
Yeah, no files. Right.
28:04
Hire this. Hire this guy as a consultant
28:07
for extra 100 grandy. Yeah, I'll get him.
28:09
Right, I'll get him. Right, you know who we should
28:11
hook him up with? We we should hook, We should
28:13
hook. We should hook Dennis up with
28:15
Lemoyne man. That would be fun.
28:17
Yeah, it was. Lemoyne Lemoyne Alexander
28:20
Lemoyne He's a he's a a Grammy award-winning rap producer
28:24
turned into to to rock kind of a rock.
28:27
I want to say Rockstar because he's clamming the charge, but
28:29
he's dude, he's just like the salty birth.
28:32
He's like you. He's just very cool, laid back
28:34
just and and he came back on you.
28:36
You're you and he are the only two guests that have actually
28:39
come back on that that that, you know, hey, I want to come back
28:42
on the show. We're like sweet.
28:45
So it's but just in talking to you right now about you music
28:47
stuff, I, I automatically thought I said we should hook
28:49
him up with Lemoyne because Lemoyne's got a unique thing
28:52
too. I think you guys could could
28:54
vibe together. Cool.
28:55
And he was one of the most sought after rap producers
28:58
throughout the 90s. Yeah, I would love to connect me
29:00
now. Like I'm actually always.
29:02
Solid, yeah. He's good people, man.
29:05
He's really good people. Humble, humble.
29:07
And just like, I mean, he he kind of just kind of kind of
29:10
knocked on the door of some of the stuff that he did, But I
29:14
think it's, it's so much more like he had an opportunity to
29:17
work with Prince and then he kind of just kind of sat back
29:19
and reflected. He's like, do I really want to
29:22
do I really want to do that? Do I really want to go behind
29:25
the scenes of Prince? And and he couldn't which I I'm
29:28
like, fuck, I can respect that because you know which you.
29:32
Didn't want to have like vision ruined of his hero, right?
29:36
That makes a lot of sense. I could definitely understand
29:38
it. And he said, not that that would
29:41
have happened, but if it did, I didn't want, you know, I didn't
29:44
want to ruin something that was so precious to my musical
29:49
upbringing, you know, Like, that's what he meant to him.
29:52
And this was a guy who has gold and platinum albums hanging
29:55
behind him as he's talking to you.
29:56
Yeah, he had a song he produced. He produced and played on for
30:00
the movie The Queen movie, and so he had that that I platinum
30:04
whatever in the background behind him and then he.
30:06
Just did the Spinal Tap one too. Yeah, yeah.
30:09
He was just in Spinal Tap, too. Yeah, that was a flop.
30:12
But you know that's not his fault.
30:16
He was still asked to be on the project, which is pretty cool.
30:19
So yeah, that would be fun to have both of you guys on
30:21
together too. Yeah, I would love to connect,
30:23
man. Like I said, like I'm always
30:25
open to making some dope connections in the music space.
30:28
So I think I just sent the records to you via e-mail, so
30:31
you actually get it in a second. OK, OK, let me go to the
30:35
Christian Mike e-mail. Yeah, now I'll get some context
30:41
too. So like my album, I call my
30:42
album You cannot see this. It's acronym me UC UCTS.
30:47
You cannot see this. It's really all about just
30:51
talking to people from a perspective of getting them to
30:53
shine their light. Like be living your foolish
30:55
purpose, living your the the calling that you had on your
30:59
life. And then understanding that once
31:01
you're walking in your purpose, like the way that I met you all
31:04
in the way how you all have passion about the music, the
31:06
podcast and the all of these different things.
31:09
Like I had this thing that I say to people, like I like to meet
31:11
people that the the God and the more the divinity.
31:14
And you know what I'm saying where I just like to meet people
31:17
who, you know what I'm saying, being the fullest version of
31:19
themselves. So for me, that's what the
31:22
album. Exactly.
31:23
Yeah. So the album is really meant to
31:24
help people unlock their in themselves and kind of giving
31:27
them that nudge from me, telling my story, of course, but
31:30
ultimately kind of giving them the nudge to like, you know what
31:33
I'm saying? Like be your foolish self and
31:35
your truest self in it and whatever that means to you.
31:37
So that's what the story of the album is about.
31:39
It kind of goes to this kind of 10 songs on this version of the
31:42
album. It goes from like this I have.
31:45
So the record starts with the song called Welcome, and I go
31:48
into the song called Clear and it kind of like gradually moves
31:51
from like me introducing people to my world to me, kind of like
31:54
taking them into the music a little bit more deeper.
31:56
And kind of just one of the records in the middle of this
32:00
album is called Make it. It's like more of a parable
32:03
record. It's just saying the record,
32:05
everything is what you make it. It's not about this is a true
32:08
concept album. It's definitely a concept album.
32:11
It's a concept album. Yeah.
32:13
And it and it's really meant for people to walk away.
32:15
Like I call it you can't Unsee this because literally when you
32:18
meet somebody at their purest form, you you really can't Unsee
32:22
it. And then now I hate, I hate to
32:24
interrupt your train of thought, but let me ask you this real
32:26
quick. Do you intend to do like an AI
32:30
video series that goes along with each song you're thinking?
32:34
You mean you're thinking Mike? Yeah, That's that's exactly what
32:36
it is. That's why I made three videos
32:37
for while wait. So the first video I made is
32:39
called the Vault. The I mean, the first video I
32:42
made is called the Chase. So like the first video is
32:44
shorter and it's really like a guy in a club and he's like just
32:48
chasing the girl. He's like trying to get her, but
32:51
they're all around the song while wait.
32:52
So it's like, of course, when you're in a spot when you want
32:56
to meet women, you know what I'm saying?
32:57
You can't you don't got a lot of time to be patient when you want
33:00
to go in and pursue somebody in the venue like this.
33:02
So that video is called the chase.
33:04
The second one is called the Vault, which is basically like
33:06
what you all just saw is kind of like me kind of going in and and
33:10
bringing original hip hop back to people.
33:12
And then the third one is going to be called the race, which is
33:15
going to be this F1 video. So I'll do like do something
33:18
like that for every core single that I have, which I'm going to
33:21
have three singles for the first version of the album.
33:24
Why wait is the first one the second one is called Gangster
33:26
Tears or Clear, and then the third one is called the third
33:30
record is called Make it. Make.
33:31
It will be the third single, the 3rd and final single from the
33:33
album. That's awesome, man.
33:37
I think we blew Chris's computer up trying to download your.
33:41
I should have just had you send it to me, but I was trying to.
33:45
Sometimes my brain is working at 1,000,000 miles an hour and I
33:48
need it to work at 1,000,001. I could have sent you my phone
33:50
number. I'm like, how am I going to do
33:52
that? Because I can't give you my
33:53
phone number to 29 countries. Of course I could have sent it
33:57
to you through the chat. Yeah, that wouldn't work.
33:58
Yeah, he's having problems staying connected in the
34:02
afternoon for some reason, and they're having a unusual cold
34:05
snap, which is weird for Arizona.
34:07
So, you know, like, I live in Illinois.
34:10
You live around Saint Louis. I live in California.
34:12
Yeah, I live in California. But it's actually cold out here
34:14
too right now, which is cool. Like, I think it's the whole
34:17
West Coast. There's like a rain thing going
34:19
on out here. And yeah, man, I'm not loving
34:21
it. They're not prepared for that
34:24
kind of stuff. Their infrastructure is weak.
34:26
So I was just listening to move around and, and it's legit.
34:32
I it's. It's we.
34:34
Were talking about how he's doing an AI video series for
34:38
each one of the singles he's doing that represents the
34:41
concept. It's a concept album which I
34:43
think is amazing. Yeah, so, OK, cool, cool.
34:46
But yeah, I don't know what happened.
34:48
I I tried to I I. Told him we blew your computer
34:51
up trying to. Play.
34:52
I clicked move around and then it started playing and I'm like,
34:54
where's it coming from? Where's it coming from?
34:56
And then of course, my Internet decided, yeah, you're not going
34:58
to work. Now I'm telling you, I don't
35:01
know what is about the afternoons with me on.
35:02
Friday, we just discussed it. Arizonans have an unusually cold
35:05
weather and your infrastructure is weak.
35:07
Kind of like sickly old. But but but legit tennis move
35:12
around what I heard. I love it dude.
35:15
And I'm not and and and and full transparency, I'm not big on the
35:20
rap kind of vibe. Thing I'm not as versed at that
35:23
no self, but I know what a good I know what good sounds are yeah
35:27
I could figure you guys understand music like that and
35:30
for me The thing is really music man.
35:31
I love hip hop, but I like all music though.
35:33
Like I'm not just like hip hop is the music that I was, I
35:37
probably want to say music I was introduced to 1st.
35:39
I was introduced to like gospel music first.
35:41
Like my mother sings gospel. Like I grew up Christian Church.
35:44
So like I got a like I was introduced to that form of music
35:47
and people performing live singing and choirs and stuff
35:50
like that. But eventually I just found hip
35:53
hop when I was probably a teenager and it just just kind
35:56
of like took me by storm. I feel like it, the whole
35:58
culture of hip hop took me by storm.
36:00
But you know, hip hop is so inspired by so many other music
36:03
forms. It's like it's a sample based
36:05
music format and rock and hip hop there jazz and hip hop,
36:10
there's every a little bit of everything and it's like a
36:12
melting pot or a gumbo of music. So that's why I kind of really
36:15
love to. When I worked at Guitar Center,
36:18
man, I was fascinated because, you know, like Chris said, we
36:21
didn't come from that world, but I respect people who respect
36:25
their art and who are good at it.
36:27
When I took that job at Guitar Center, I never imagined how
36:31
many people in the hip hop and rap world would come there
36:34
looking for what you just said. Rock guitar players, rock
36:39
drummers, They're like, hey man, we want, you know, different
36:43
samples, we want different sounds.
36:45
And it just to cross cultures like that was so cool because
36:49
all of a sudden now we're talking the same language,
36:52
right? We don't play the same music.
36:53
But like you just said, we know what good music is.
36:56
Music. You know what good sounds are.
36:58
Music is a frequency, man. It's a it's a real frequency.
37:01
And the wave is when you really embrace it the right way.
37:05
You're just like, like think about Run DMC.
37:07
Run DMC was like one of the first most successful hip hop
37:10
groups ever. And they were literally like
37:12
literally reinvented arrow school, man.
37:14
They were hip hop rock fusion, you know what I'm saying?
37:17
And it and they literally became a household name because they
37:21
went into the rock world and kind of brought urban African
37:25
American culture to the rest of the world with rock music fused
37:29
into it. So yeah, let's face it, white
37:31
people in the Midwest all of a sudden knew what?
37:34
Right. Rapping or hip hop?
37:36
At that time it was hip hop for sure.
37:38
I mean, let's be honest, these are the facts.
37:39
Nobody knew, you know what I'm saying?
37:41
And it was one of the they, they really damn in LL Cool J guys
37:44
like they really start crossing. I was that kid, you know, I, I
37:48
saw it for the first time on MTV and I was like, wow, that's
37:51
that's cool man, I want to buy that.
37:53
Yep, I don't know, I found 2 bands at the same time, Randy
37:59
and Run DMC and Aerosmith because, you know, I was just
38:03
young enough that I didn't hear Aerosmith in the 70s because I
38:07
was like 456. So by the time they released
38:10
Walk This Way, I found 2 bands at the same time.
38:13
It's crazy. But that's, that's the power of
38:14
hip hop. Honestly, man, it's a it's a
38:16
very much so inspired art form and I have a crazy like I hip
38:23
hop always evolves, but like I don't, I'm not the biggest fan
38:26
of let me not say the biggest fan because I hate to come off
38:28
like a hater, but the music that's currently like the rap
38:32
rap music that's currently put out, like I feel like it's like
38:36
got a little bit away from what the the nostalgic part of hip
38:40
hop that kind of brought me into the infatuation that I have with
38:42
the culture. So the music that I make is kind
38:45
of like a ode to to what brought me into hip hop artist.
38:48
Like, of course, that's almost exactly what Lemoyne said drove
38:51
him to try a different art form. You know, he just got burned out
38:55
on the clashing. You know, he said when it got to
38:59
be the gangster rap and it's US versus them.
39:02
And he said that just wasn't my style, man.
39:04
I got into it because I love making beats and producing music
39:07
and writing rhymes. And you know, that was what he
39:10
was into. He's like, I don't want to see
39:12
anybody get hurt or anybody get killed.
39:14
So that that gangster, the whole gangsterism of hip hop that
39:18
came, that wasn't how it started.
39:20
It just kind of like was the thing that was happening in the
39:22
communities of African American communities all around America
39:25
and it just kind of got brought into the the mainstream hip hop
39:29
pipeline. But there was an evolution that
39:31
happened. It's still in there right now
39:32
and it's still probably one of the most funded parts of hip hop
39:36
when it comes to like mainstream record labels and stuff like
39:39
that. But there's a world for so many
39:41
things in hip hop. That's why I do what I do it
39:43
because like I can stand in the room with the biggest gangster
39:46
in the world or I can stand in the room with the biggest tech
39:48
executive and carry myself in the same kind of way.
39:52
You know what I'm saying it? And I know that the music can
39:54
understand those same kind of ways as well.
39:57
And I think that's awesome, man, because you're one of those guys
40:00
that if you look at, and I'm sure you could dress the part
40:02
too, you know, you could look at you at face value and judge you
40:06
one way and you start talking and you're like, holy shit, man.
40:10
This guy's the smartest guy in the room, whether you know it or
40:12
not. Yeah.
40:12
That in a lot of situations you're going to be.
40:15
No. And it's very intense because of
40:16
the career you chose, you know? Sorry, No, you are good now.
40:19
It's very intentional to be that way, man.
40:21
Like, I understand. I know what it was like when I
40:23
was a 14 year old kid and wanting to get into technology
40:26
and never saw. Anything that looked remotely
40:27
like, and I had to study Bill Gates and I had to study Mark
40:31
Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs.
40:34
I had to study these guys to get to where I wanted to go.
40:37
But I always had to study with a caveat and a carrot like, you
40:40
know, they, they came from these kind of communities, but what
40:42
steps did they take to get there?
40:44
What did they learn and what kind of skills did they develop?
40:47
What pathways did they get to? And all of that kind of stuff
40:50
was what was like the foundation of what took me into technology.
40:52
But I knew that I never wanted to alienate myself completely
40:57
from the communities that I was coming from.
40:58
So for me, I always dressed like I'm from hip hop culture because
41:02
I naturally am, even though I'm one of very.
41:05
I would peg you more as the artist music side then, you
41:10
know, the AI has got to blow people away.
41:12
They just don't write that comment.
41:13
Yeah, they never see any of that stuff, man.
41:15
It's like a, you know, I'm saying it's like a black box.
41:17
You never know what you're going to get with me until I start.
41:20
But I think that part of you is so cool, man.
41:22
Chris and I talked about it after we talked to you the first
41:24
time. It's like we just did not, we
41:26
didn't see that coming. And I remember telling you at
41:28
the end of the episode, I appreciate that you could talk
41:31
so far over our heads that we'd feel like 2 of the biggest
41:34
dummies ever. But you don't, you know, you
41:37
want us to understand your world and you're really good at
41:39
explaining it. It's just a gift, man.
41:42
And honestly, for me, I love this industry of technology, not
41:46
because I see it as like this thing that's supposed to break
41:50
people apart. I really see it as a thing
41:52
that's supposed to make humans more effective, more efficient.
41:55
And I feel like music is just one of the ways I used to
41:58
message that and kind of connect the dots, you know what I'm
42:00
saying? So I don't, it doesn't really
42:02
matter who it is, like age, gender, race, none of that stuff
42:06
matters to me when it comes to bringing people into a level of
42:09
awareness and what technology can do for them and empowering
42:12
them to be more effective as humans.
42:14
Because at the end of the day, we're all here sharing the same
42:16
air, the same planet, the same water.
42:19
And, and it's it'll behoove all of us to be more effective while
42:22
we're sharing all of this stuff together so that we can have
42:24
this place for as long as possible.
42:25
Because this planet is the gift that keeps on giving on top of
42:29
life itself while we're here. So for me, it's just like, hey,
42:32
whatever I can do to help other people be better, I'm going to
42:34
do whatever I can. Because of course, plenty of
42:36
people paid it for for me to be here today.
42:37
For sure. I just heard somebody say we're
42:40
in the best neighborhood in space.
42:42
I thought that was great. Sounds real.
42:49
What was that? Hey, I didn't ask you this last
42:51
time, I don't think. And if I did, I apologize.
42:53
Tell me. Oh well, you're good.
42:56
Where is all this AI music coming from?
42:59
Are there programs that are making this?
43:01
Have you ever heard of SUNO about this?
43:02
There's a platform called SUNO, which is really, really popular.
43:06
I've heard of it. Explain it to me.
43:08
Yeah. So Suno is powerful.
43:09
Like there's a lot of stuff you can do with it.
43:11
So for instance, like I don't use it to make my own music.
43:13
Like I first let me say that I do not use Suno to make my
43:16
music. That's why I wanted you to
43:18
explain to people that you went into a real studio, Right.
43:21
But it was for double edged. Like I said, the AI artist that
43:24
I collaborate with, he uses Suno and a lot.
43:27
There's a few other platforms, but Suno, you can do a lot of
43:30
stuff. You can just make
43:31
instrumentation and make beats on Suno.
43:33
You can make stems and beats and it just be like, hey, I wanna
43:36
ambient sounding record or I want a rock sounding record or I
43:40
want AR and B sounding track and they can make you a beat.
43:43
You can then go in and say it's like ChatGPT writes a book.
43:46
It's something like that. It is very it's that powerful.
43:49
And then you can come in and do something of like sing a melody
43:52
or put some lyrics in there or something like that and it can
43:55
sound mash your singing vocals and make a sound way better.
43:59
It can take a a reference of a beat loop that you have and turn
44:03
it into a whole beat or take a a piece of some lyrics and turn it
44:07
into a whole song or take a song concept and flesh it all the way
44:11
out into a song. So it it's super powerful.
44:13
Like it can do almost anything to help the music creation
44:16
process. A lot of people like I actually
44:18
wanted like I told you all I'm in is AAI creative group right
44:22
now. There's this guy, his name is
44:23
King Maloney is he's a comedian. Originally he was a comedian and
44:27
I met him some years ago. He recently became AI music
44:32
music creator and he's been like he's like time 101 of the
44:36
biggest AI creators over the past like 2 years.
44:38
He made a song that took off. He made a song called BBL Drizzy
44:42
which like took off all the last year was a fully AI record and
44:46
it just kind of blew up. And now he's like AAI thought
44:50
leader from a creative perspective because he made a
44:53
record that was kind of like it was a joke, like he's a
44:55
comedian. So he made a record that was
44:56
meant to be funny and kind of entertaining, and then the
44:59
record just took off. And now he makes a bunch of AI
45:02
music. He has multiple AI albums.
45:04
He got nominated for a Grammy, then they took his Grammy
45:06
nomination back because they realized he was making
45:08
everything with AI. Stuff like that.
45:10
Like it was crazy. Like but bring this up.
45:13
It's like Billy Vanilli for the for the AI world, right?
45:16
No. For real?
45:17
Yeah, but remember what I said a few episodes ago?
45:20
There's 30 to 40,000 AI songs being uploaded to Spotify, Apple
45:26
every day. Man, in fact, I didn't know.
45:28
I thought it was like a month, a year.
45:30
It's going up like soon as platform like Suno is a
45:33
supercharging the way people make a music right now.
45:35
Like that's why I want you to explain this to me because I
45:38
really didn't understand how that was happening.
45:40
It's super powerful. Like I said, you can put a
45:42
melody in there. You can put a a 510 second
45:45
melody in there and it'll turn into a whole song.
45:47
You can click. So, so 4 balls in so I could
45:50
take what what what was one of the songs we wrote.
45:54
What can I say, I had a bad day sipping on a bottle.
45:57
Just waste some time away. I could put that in there and
46:00
that'll create a melody out of that.
46:02
Yes, and and I'll tell you even one better, like so even the
46:05
King Melanias guy, I'm telling you about what he's been doing
46:08
recently. Like some of his he makes a lot
46:10
of stuff, but some of his stuff is parody records.
46:12
Some of this stuff is like jokes.
46:14
He has a version of records where he goes and takes hip hop
46:16
songs that were like really, really popular and then turns
46:19
them into like country songs or turns them into rock songs or
46:22
turn them into jazz songs. Like turns them into other
46:26
genres. Same lyrics, same like same
46:31
lyrics, but changes the whole fill of the record to something
46:34
that's in the just using the Suno platform.
46:36
So I'm not 100% sure which. I know he's using Suno for some
46:39
of your stuff, but I know he uses a lot of stuff like he's
46:41
been working with real producers and going in the studio, but he
46:44
does do a lot of what he's doing with with these type of
46:48
platforms and he turns songs into other genres just like
46:50
really crazy. That sounds like that sounds
46:52
like just Joe. We had a guy in the show not too
46:54
long ago. Just just Joe, Joe Joey from
46:55
Syracuse, he'll take like, he'll take a Metallica song and he'll
46:59
turn it into a cinematic version and slow it down, right?
47:02
He just did a version of Paula Abdul straight up and she liked
47:05
it so much she commented on it and liked it.
47:07
So he'll. Take that we got Paula Abdul to
47:09
comment on the version of the song he did.
47:12
Yeah, so he'll take anything, anything that's out there in the
47:14
world and he'll he'll sit down on a piano and change it up in
47:17
some way, shape or form. So it sounds kind of like that.
47:20
What what you're talking about the the app he's doing in real
47:23
life, the apps doing it just as an app?
47:26
Exactly the exact same thing. It's just like a I'm just just
47:31
like, I'm just blown away that it can create a version that can
47:34
fool people so much that it would win a Grammy.
47:36
That's just I'm sitting, I'm blown away.
47:38
You wanna know? It's crazy.
47:39
Like I said, I work with a lot of AI artists and creators and
47:41
stuff like that. And it's, it's crazy that the
47:45
perspective that a lot of people have on us because people that
47:47
make music like actually like write it, perform it, write,
47:50
play music, I mean, play instruments, all this kind of
47:52
other stuff. There's a perspective that they
47:54
have on the creation process of this stuff.
47:56
And then and and I know you all this like people that play real
47:59
instruments when they started to yeah, when they stepped in and
48:03
saying, hey, let's make Fruity Loops.
48:05
And then they start having sound like, yeah, drums kits and
48:10
guitar Rinse and all this kind of other stuff.
48:13
It's kind of the same thing that's happening.
48:15
AI just is now because there are some skills that you have to
48:18
have to make a beating fruity loop.
48:19
Even with all of these different clips with Suno, the that skill
48:24
level is kind of reduced even more.
48:26
Like now it's like instead of you just having to know how to
48:28
sync stuff together and kind of position things and make all of
48:31
these different instruments work together, Suno will come in and
48:34
say, shoot, we're using 20 sounds and you never know where
48:37
they're coming from. 20 different riffs, loops and all
48:40
this stuff. It can almost interpret that
48:42
feel the human element to some degree.
48:44
It can interpret the musical elements like some of the stuff
48:47
that because right now there's so much data around music that
48:49
you realize that the the data that's on the Internet in
48:54
relation to music is so immense that AI has so much knowledge to
48:59
create records that sound like and feel like anything.
49:01
They can make a song that sounds like Selena Gomez.
49:03
They can make a song that sounds like Kiss.
49:06
They can make a song that sounds like, you know, anybody, Michael
49:10
Jackson, Like all this stuff can happen with AI because it has
49:13
the data. It knows what frequencies people
49:15
are singing there, what tones the instruments were recorded
49:19
at. And it's using all of that data
49:20
to make different things. But yeah, it's it's literally
49:23
has so much data that that's one of the the, you know what I'm
49:27
saying, things that come along with now all about music being
49:29
digitized. Well, it's like you talked about
49:31
when you're on the show before, it's the more you feed the
49:34
system, the more it's going to learn and understand.
49:36
And then because you know, a year from now, probably even
49:39
sooner than that, Rai twins are going to look and act just like
49:44
us. It'll get the inflections that
49:46
we have in our voices and things like that, right, because you
49:48
said them. The more you pump into the
49:49
system, the more the more it learns and the more it adapts
49:52
and the more makes it that much more realistic.
49:55
I did AI did a video about the 50 year mortgage and how it's
49:59
stupid. Nobody that was AI nobody.
50:02
And it was my original Hajin upload avatar.
50:04
It wasn't even like I went back and did another one, but it's
50:08
just it's, it's the program's that good.
50:09
It's it's insane. Now I got this question.
50:12
So with all the AI platforms and music and things like that, like
50:15
I know the little bit I know about AI is nowhere compared to
50:18
you, but a lot of it's prompting and typing in the prompts, all
50:20
that kind of jazz, right? Is it the same concept when
50:22
you're making the AI videos and the AI music?
50:24
Is it all you got to? You got to put in the proper
50:26
prompts and stuff. So you definitely have to prompt
50:28
the music creation stuff properly and it takes a lot of
50:30
iteration. Like I haven't done a whole lot
50:32
there. The most I've done with any of
50:33
these music platforms is I might have made a few beats that go
50:37
behind some of my Wellness experiences for the stuff I'm
50:40
doing in the VR space. But when it comes to the visual
50:43
stuff, this stuff is like you really have to have some
50:46
production skill to get to the level of quality that some of
50:48
these guys are getting to. Because you have to go in as you
50:52
have to do framework to get consistency, characters and
50:56
seeing consistency. There are so many different
50:58
things. AI is going to always spit out
51:00
something different. So for you to get consistency
51:03
across the three minute video or five minute video or a short
51:07
film or something like that, it takes a lot of really, really
51:11
skilled production work to get to the level of quality that,
51:15
like will keep people engaged, especially from a video
51:17
perspective, like a visual. And even this audio perspective,
51:20
like some of these AI songs that are created, like the ones that
51:23
are really good, like it's not as easy as people would think to
51:26
get it to the level of quality that people is that some people
51:28
are getting it to. Yeah.
51:30
Yeah. Let me ask you this on the video
51:32
front to try to make myself sound halfway smart.
51:35
Have they crossed over the uncanny valley yet?
51:37
What do you mean the uncanny valley?
51:39
Give me some context. Do you remember, like, how old
51:42
are you? I can't.
51:43
I'm 3536 now, 36. Congratulations.
51:46
OK. So like in my day, the first
51:48
person shooter games that came out that were like, you know,
51:52
the massive multiplayer games they always had, there were no
51:56
rounded edges any back then, you know, it looked realistic.
52:00
Everything was in real time. But they called that the uncanny
52:03
valley where people didn't move quite right and the edges of the
52:08
backgrounds weren't quite right. So I would say with AI, we've
52:12
crossed over that a person looks like a person.
52:14
Oh, for sure you can't. There's AI videos that can look
52:18
just like real people because they're so literally.
52:21
This is the byproduct of social media though.
52:23
You understand that there's so much video content of people on
52:28
the fact to Chris's point, we've been feeding, or to your
52:31
original point on the first episode, we've been feeding the
52:34
machine all this. Exactly.
52:36
I Yeah, I. Love.
52:37
Hey, Gin. Like, I know, and I used this
52:40
was stupid. I know.
52:42
So I had this funny idea one day of putting a marshmallow.
52:45
I was making coffee for the morning, putting a marshmallow
52:46
in the filter, right? Like because I mean, it was
52:49
stupid, it wouldn't work. But then I was like, oh, I'll go
52:52
to Hey Gin. I had Hey, Gin, create this nice
52:54
little pretty, you know, brunette woman talking about how
52:57
to make your coffee taste like burnt marshmallow like and
53:00
legit, it was a 32nd clip about taking a marshmallow sticking
53:05
into the filter. I put that shit on Instagram,
53:07
dude, And you know how many people comment?
53:09
Oh, that would be disgusting. Oh, I would try that.
53:11
I'm like, it's fake, man, It's bullshit.
53:14
It sort of came into my head and I'm like, here, let's put a
53:17
marshmallow in the filter just but that that, but that was
53:21
after we spoke and that would that's just how much.
53:24
And that was video. A little man swimming in your
53:27
backyard pond looks so real. He looks like a fish.
53:31
Right, and that's just that's using meta AI dude, I just put I
53:35
put that took the picture of him and then I told it I had to do a
53:37
lot of back and forth with it, you know, but then and it was I
53:40
mean you can kind of tell it's fake because when he goes
53:42
underwater, he doesn't have a shirt on and then all of a
53:44
sudden his body's the other way. But you know, I mean shit, that
53:47
still was pretty cool. Just you know, because I
53:49
irrigate and they were playing in the irrigation.
53:51
It's like, hey, so I showed them his circle.
53:53
I'm wonder, I'm wondering, I'm wondering.
53:55
I'm under the water pump up not. Really, man?
54:01
But and the little ones, man, he loves you.
54:03
You've heard of brain rot, right?
54:05
Yeah, for sure. Right, yeah.
54:07
So he loves watching brain rot in the morning when he comes
54:09
over and just the like this morning I'm like, what are we
54:12
watching, man? Brain rot?
54:14
I'm like, OK, it makes sense. We're rotting our brains.
54:17
But it was just all these just constant shifting, changing
54:20
scenes of just weird AI stuff. It was it's amazing.
54:24
What what is it's coming, man. It's just it's mind boggling for
54:27
sure. Definitely for.
54:29
Sure, I made him fly like Superman from thing from a from
54:32
a picture I made his little brother trip.
54:35
I told him to climb a tree and he he turned around and leapt to
54:39
the pine tree and all the way up to the top.
54:41
It's a trip. It's fun.
54:42
It's fun if you know just for shit like that.
54:44
But what you're doing isn't saying that video that took you
54:47
3 weeks to do that, just that clip that's pretty legit.
54:50
That's really legit. Appreciate it, man.
54:53
Definitely. When I get the next one done, I
54:54
send it out. I think I'm gonna put a little
54:56
bit of a budget behind this because I think I'm just kind of
54:59
increasing the level of quality. So I'm excited to let.
55:01
Well, before you drop that album in the spring, make sure you
55:04
come back on, man. Yeah, let people know that
55:06
you're going to drop it and when it's going to come on.
55:08
And I love talking to you, man. You want to come back on?
55:13
I like talking to you guys too, man.
55:15
It's good. It's good to like have our
55:16
perspective. Just come in here and kind of
55:18
meet the meeting of the minds. But definitely like that song.
55:20
Move on. Well, you exploded my brain
55:22
musically and with the, I mean, I'm sorry, we got back on the AI
55:25
again. No, you all good.
55:26
All three of us are fascinated with it.
55:28
I just thought about that. It's like, God Dang it, We just
55:30
spent another 10 minutes talking about it.
55:32
You all good. And it came on to talk about
55:34
music. But that that record moving
55:36
around, Chris, that's going to be like the lead single for like
55:38
the second part part of my album.
55:39
So like the the deluxe version, it'll be like the thing that
55:43
kind of introduces the next wave of what I'm doing.
55:45
I don't know when I'm gonna drop it, but it'll it'll be that for
55:48
sure. Cool.
55:49
Yeah, shoot that one to me, Yeah.
55:51
I, I emailed it to you, Mike, I just forward it to you.
55:53
OK, So when you do your videos and stuff let me know cuz
55:55
they'll throw your videos up on our on our on our, our Facebook
55:58
page 100. Percent cool for sure man.
55:59
I definitely share them man. Definitely business everything
56:01
and I try and repurpose everything I see that you throw
56:04
up there cuz your stuff is just so cool man.
56:06
I want people to see it. And the one thing that I will
56:09
say about your first episode to give you kudos that I always
56:12
tell people when I say go listen to it is how positive you were
56:16
about AI. You know, people will start
56:18
saying just general dumbasses that only watch the news.
56:22
I'm talking to him in the public, you know, oh, it's going
56:24
to take all these jobs. I'm like, go listen to this guy,
56:27
man. We tried to get him to be
56:28
negative and he was so positive the whole time he was on the
56:31
show. I think you're going to have a
56:32
different perspective and more often than not, those same
56:36
people will come back and say, hey, thanks for, you know,
56:39
telling me to listen to it or whatever.
56:40
So keep spreading your positivity out there too, man.
56:43
I appreciate it, fellas. Appreciate it for sure.
56:46
And we got to have you come back on before the end of the year
56:47
because because I have to build, but Mike is off like a whole
56:51
stint of time. And we're purposing not doing
56:54
any real shows during the week of Christmas.
56:56
Makes sense. So we can definitely have we can
56:57
definitely have you sneak on and and we'll promise.
57:00
Just talk about music. Oh yeah, let's do it, man.
57:02
We can. We probably get a few records
57:04
kind of lined up. I hope they had another video
57:06
done by the end. We can have like that would
57:08
deeper dive into the album a little bit and maybe talk about
57:11
the deluxe a little bit for sure.
57:12
Yeah, that would be. Yeah, if you save some stuff you
57:15
know that you can send to me like 1/2 hour before the show or
57:20
whatever, you and I can make sure it's going to work before
57:22
we do it, and then Chris can pop it on as we go.
57:25
So sounds like a plan. There you go.
57:26
That'd be fun. Man.
57:27
That's really promote new stuff you got coming out.
57:30
So thanks again for coming such a super kind of Hard Out Here at
57:33
an hour. Yeah, you just.
57:34
Appreciate it feeling. Dennis, man, I love talking to
57:38
you, dude. You're just you're just next
57:39
level, man. It's just you're cool.
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You're just a humble you're such a humble human with just a
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really good life resume. And I didn't know you're I
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didn't know you're a dad and a husband.
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So props, man, That's cool. You didn't.
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Talk well and this is the side that this is the side of the
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podcast that I didn't really even think would be so exciting
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to me is when he said hey, Dennis reached out and I want to
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squeeze him in if we can because he wanted to come back on talk
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about his music. I was like, not only did I
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remember you and I were talking about you coming back on to talk
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about music, I just thought it was cool, man.
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Yeah, the, the repeat customers are cool.
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Yeah, yeah. Let's always do appreciate.
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Your time, man. Yeah.
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And I appreciate you guys. Hey, thank you for thank you for
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being flexible with me today because I really I, I, I, I
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triple booked myself, but I had to go.
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I had to go do my, I think I did this morning because that steels
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my soul. So I thank you very much.
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For being I do it all the time, man, so you know you got to do
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what you got to do for your community for sure.
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That was that was appreciative. So I'm Chris, he's Mike.
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This is Mr. Biz Tech biz and tech.
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And remember, if you're feeling sad, sorrow or depressed, go
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talk to someone to go run and go workout, go scream in a pillow.
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Go journal, go write, call somebody that can't find
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somebody to talk to. Text 988.
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Somebody is standing by waiting to talk you off that ledge.
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Tomorrow will be a better day because you're waking up in it.
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Don't leave a hole in somebody else's heart because you decided
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to leave this planet Earth. Until next time, nothing but
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love. We'll see you guys later.
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Peace, love you, Mike. Love.
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You, Dennis, love you too, brother.
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Have a great day man, hopefully.