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Matt Ryan Shoulder Separation, Green Bay Packers Losing Streak, & Tom Brady on Recent Loss · NFL Now

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Now on NFL Network. That is Steve White,
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  Speaker 1: him andrews Ceciliano coming up. We'll try to figure out
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  Speaker 1: what's wrong with the Buccaneers and Tom Brady. They score
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  Speaker 1: only three points. They get the Ravens at home on TNAF.
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  Speaker 1: Will try to get under the hood as well as
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  Speaker 1: we did last hour where Aaron Rodgers and the Green
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  Speaker 1: Bay Packers. They are three and four. But we had
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  Speaker 1: a major quarterback shake up moments ago in Indianapolis. It's
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  Speaker 1: Matt Ryan to the bench and Sam Ellinger to the
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  Speaker 1: starting lineup. It's a grade two shoulder separation for thirty
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  Speaker 1: seven year old Matt Ryan. He's not gonna play this
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  Speaker 1: week for the Colts against the Commanders. But Frank Reich says,
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  Speaker 1: this is not just a one week move. He is
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  Speaker 1: a prose pro. This guy, this guy is special, special, special,
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  Speaker 1: And you know, we all we know right at the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback position that it's not our poor production on offense
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  Speaker 1: is not on one person. That's not on Matt Ryan. UM,
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  Speaker 1: but we also know as Matt and I talked it
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  Speaker 1: through hey as head coach and quarterback as head coach.
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  Speaker 1: Ultimately it doesn't matter. I'm judged on wins and losses.
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  Speaker 1: Quarterbacks judged on points and you know, and production and turnovers.
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  Speaker 1: As we understand, that's how it is in this league.
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  Speaker 1: And so, UM, Matt will be a pro. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I will say this as you guys saw or maybe so.
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  Speaker 1: He did get banged up in the game. He does
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  Speaker 1: have a great, great two um shoulder separation. Uh, and
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  Speaker 1: so we'll not practice this week, will be inactive. UM.
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  Speaker 1: Nick will be number two UM. And but Matt is
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  Speaker 1: committed to help in this team and every way he can.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a lot of years experience. You always got
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  Speaker 1: to stay ready. You never know. This is a funny league.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm still believe MAT's gonna help us get to
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  Speaker 1: where we want to go in whatever role that is.
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  Speaker 1: Nick being Nick Foles who now moves up to the
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  Speaker 1: number two quarterback position. Ian Rappaport Yet, Wow, live there
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  Speaker 1: in Foxburg ahead a Monday night, we'll hear about that
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  Speaker 1: game shortly. Tom Pelaceo as well. Let me read a
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  Speaker 1: quote to you here, guys, also Frank Reich quote. The
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  Speaker 1: move right now is for Sam to be the starter
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of the season, and so shoulder injury
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  Speaker 1: is just one small part of this story. It is
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  Speaker 1: one small part of this story. It's a part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Ryan not being there to be the backup is
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  Speaker 1: a thing, but the major thing is the Indian Appois
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  Speaker 1: Colts now have a new starting quarterback, Sam Elinger, who
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  Speaker 1: I know has been intriguing to various people around the league,
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  Speaker 1: someone that I know other gms have been kind of watching, monitoring.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if that guy would be available, maybe we
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  Speaker 1: could trade for him under the right circumstances, just because
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  Speaker 1: he's so talented. He is now the starting quarterback for
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  Speaker 1: the Indian app Post Colts, and just a couple of
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  Speaker 1: days ago, Tom I talked to Colts owner Jim ur Say,
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  Speaker 1: who told me, among other things, that Matt Ryan is
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  Speaker 1: a steely eyed missileman. I believe that was the quote.
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  Speaker 1: I might have messed it up, but I believe that
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  Speaker 1: was it. He also told me that he was as
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  Speaker 1: good leaders he's seen since Peyton Manny. Regardless, Matt Ryan
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  Speaker 1: just simply not getting it. Done in the field. The
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  Speaker 1: Colts offense has been a mess in general, cruly Ryan
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  Speaker 1: struggling to make some of the throws, and so now
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  Speaker 1: sam Elinger, despite the fact that Matt Ryan is fully
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  Speaker 1: guaranteed on his contract for the next two years, is
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  Speaker 1: now the starter. This is a move that the Colts
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  Speaker 1: never could have contemplated when they acquired Matt Ryan for
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  Speaker 1: a third round pick from the Atlanta Falcons back in
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  Speaker 1: the spring. I thought to Frank Bright a couple of
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  Speaker 1: weeks later, and he said he had gone through all
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  Speaker 1: the tape and thought Matt Ryan could make all the throws. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: they were looking for stability in terms of the leadership
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  Speaker 1: of the operation as well. Matt Ryan checked all those boxes.
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  Speaker 1: But something that jumped out, especially in recent weeks here
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  Speaker 1: was Matt Ryan just in terms of having the arm
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  Speaker 1: to make all the throws, seemed to be struggling. And
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  Speaker 1: that was just one factor in why this Coolts offense
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  Speaker 1: was repeatedly struggling to score. With Sam Ellier, it's a
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  Speaker 1: guy who they liked. They drafted him out of Texas
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  Speaker 1: because of his toughness, because of his makeup, even though
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily have the physical traits of some other quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: He's not the tallest guy, he doesn't have the big arm,
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  Speaker 1: but he has a knack for making things happen. So
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to jump start a team that is supposed
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  Speaker 1: to go through the running game with Jonathan Taylor, the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line which has not played well enough through the
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  Speaker 1: course of the season and has had some moving parts,
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  Speaker 1: and a defense that has not had its lever leader
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  Speaker 1: um in Shack Leonard for all but a couple of
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  Speaker 1: quarters so far this season. For Matt Ryan, as he
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  Speaker 1: and mentioned, they're paying him about twenty four million dollars
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  Speaker 1: this season, andrew twelve million dollars of his base salary
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  Speaker 1: for next season also guaranteed, so they're committed financially to
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  Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. But shoulder separation or no shoulder separation, rank
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  Speaker 1: Big says this was going to be the move. This
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  Speaker 1: is a sea change right now in Indianapolis. They hope
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  Speaker 1: for the better and look for the most part. Money
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  Speaker 1: aside here Compared to say what the Browns did or
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  Speaker 1: what the Broncos did the Colts, the Colts only gave
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  Speaker 1: up the eighties second overall pick for Matt Ryan, but
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  Speaker 1: they did so firmly believing that. I mean, they pulled
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  Speaker 1: a fast one and everything, and they had the guy
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  Speaker 1: to take them to the next level because it was
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  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz's fault last year. So here's Matt Ryan for
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  Speaker 1: the eighties second overall pick. We kind of slid in
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  Speaker 1: their stolen for a third and bam. But now they
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  Speaker 1: get swept by the Titans. They're not gonna, you know,
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  Speaker 1: likely be a wild cartoon. They should win that division
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  Speaker 1: if they're gonna make the playoffs. They get swept by
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  Speaker 1: the Titans. Um, they've lost five in a row to
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee and wow, that was ugly. And you're gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: but in trading camp, you know, and Tom mentioned the
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  Speaker 1: inability from Matt Ryan and make those Remember I talked
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  Speaker 1: to coach Frank Reich about just Matt Ryan's arm how
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  Speaker 1: much did he have left? What were they seeing and
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  Speaker 1: told me he watched fifty throws that was enough. He
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  Speaker 1: was sure that Matt Ryan had the arm strength to
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  Speaker 1: get it done. And that might have been true. Then
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  Speaker 1: that might have been true based on last year. And
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  Speaker 1: I was there and campany looked okay, I would say,
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  Speaker 1: but clearly the arm strength not what it is you know, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: and Matt Ryan's had some great, incredible moments in his career,
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  Speaker 1: just physically, it looks like it's going the wrong direction.
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  Speaker 1: And so for the coast to say we made a
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  Speaker 1: mistake instead, it's now going to be this guy. On
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  Speaker 1: one hand, it's admitting a mistake. On the other hand,
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  Speaker 1: they're moving forward with a really fascinating new quarterback at
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  Speaker 1: a time when it seems in the organization. Organizationally they
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  Speaker 1: really need some wins, really needs they do. As I said,
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  Speaker 1: they were swept by the Titans. So there goes that
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  Speaker 1: head to head five straight to division rival Tennessee. Ian
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  Speaker 1: Rappaport and Tom Pellicero, gentlemen, thank you a stunner here
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  Speaker 1: on Monday. Here's the announcement from the Colts. Sam Ellinger, who,
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  Speaker 1: for what it's worth, and it's a big for what
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  Speaker 1: it's worth, was the highest rated quarterback in the preseason
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  Speaker 1: from any team. He had a passer rating of one
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  Speaker 1: seven point eight. Okay, I mean a big deal. Here
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  Speaker 1: Here are the numbers in the preseason. Again, it is
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  Speaker 1: the preseason. Sam Ellinger has made some plays when given
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity, but this is this is mark a move
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  Speaker 1: in my eyes, that is desperate by Frank Reich. I
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  Speaker 1: mean you are desperate to do anything now to save
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  Speaker 1: your season. Yeah, for sure. And uh, if Sam Mellinger
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  Speaker 1: was the guy we're building him up now, he would
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  Speaker 1: have started from the beginning of the season. But just
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  Speaker 1: going back to Matt Ryan, and this is what happens
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  Speaker 1: when you don't evaluate what you see on film and
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  Speaker 1: you give these older quarterbacks the benefit of the doubt
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  Speaker 1: because of their leadership and how great they are in
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  Speaker 1: the locker room and their past accomplishments, and you don't
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  Speaker 1: really evaluate and say, you know what, Matt Ryan can't
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  Speaker 1: play anymore. And that's what I when I evaluated Matt
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  Speaker 1: Ryan the past few years. He just couldn't do the
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  Speaker 1: things you needed him to do. Get the ball down
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  Speaker 1: the field, a lot of mistakes, got down early in
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  Speaker 1: games because he couldn't generate the offense. But yet it
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  Speaker 1: was sold because of all the superlatives off the field
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  Speaker 1: that he could be resurrected. And you'd say it ad
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  Speaker 1: nausea And we just talked about it earlier with Russell
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  Speaker 1: Wilson in Seattle. That is one of the hardest things
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  Speaker 1: to do is to move on now He goes to
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  Speaker 1: the Colts thinking they could rehab Matt Ryan because of
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  Speaker 1: all those great things that he does off the field.
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  Speaker 1: But in the field of play you saw a very
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  Speaker 1: very limited Matt Ryan with supposed to be the game manager.
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  Speaker 1: But now he's making mistakes. He can't get out of
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  Speaker 1: the way, he takes a ton of sacks, he fumbles
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  Speaker 1: the ball. So this is the right thing to do
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  Speaker 1: for the Colts offense. The Colts offense and team looked
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  Speaker 1: too little, too late, But I think just the evaluation
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  Speaker 1: process was missed, just because too often teams just don't
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  Speaker 1: evaluate the film. But the Colts bigger picture year and
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  Speaker 1: in year out. Now it's just the quarterback rehab facility
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  Speaker 1: that they don't come out rehab that. Since we went
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  Speaker 1: from Rivers the Wents now River uh now back to Ryan.
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  Speaker 1: Now we got Ellinger. When will it stop for the future? Steve, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's next season. Mark. I want to I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna talk too long because I mean, you went
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  Speaker 1: through this with Eli Manning, and you know you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about a quarterback at the end of his career. But look,
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  Speaker 1: we don't we don't you see this with the older
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks who get traded for. As Andrew just explained Toil fantastically.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we all thought the culture gonna be in
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl contention because the Matt Ryan element was gonna
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  Speaker 1: settle down this roster. Look, I used to cover the
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons and Mac Ryan was was drafted by the Falcon.
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  Speaker 1: So I have been sinceince oh, seven oh eight, all
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  Speaker 1: those years with Matt Ryan's he didn't do some great things,
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  Speaker 1: the guy who never had the big arm, but had
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  Speaker 1: all of the other tangible elements. I mean, look, he
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  Speaker 1: took a team to a Super Bowl the year he
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  Speaker 1: was an m v P when Kyle Shanahan was the
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  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator there. So to see him get benched, uh,
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  Speaker 1: is a little bit staggering because you know, you look
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  Speaker 1: at guys who played. You know, Ben Roethlisberger was not
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  Speaker 1: the same guy he was at the end of his career.
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  Speaker 1: Brett Farve was like, these guys still their teams still
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  Speaker 1: hung on to them because of who they were. But again,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Ryan was traded for. As Andrew said, it does
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  Speaker 1: seemed like it is a little bit desperate here because
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  Speaker 1: they've got to get wins. We just saw Jim Mercy
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  Speaker 1: go to the owner's meeting and pop off, so he's
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  Speaker 1: feel a little bit frisky. Maybe they're feeling that in
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  Speaker 1: the building as well. But to recognize this um and
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  Speaker 1: to make this move. I know the injury attributed to that,
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  Speaker 1: but man, I mean this is a very damning, Like
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  Speaker 1: you said, evaluation, just everything about this is kind of staggering,
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  Speaker 1: a mind blowing when I look at this, and Mark,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if we have we have time here. I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted you went through this with Eli Manning. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know how difficult this is to Smith which to
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  Speaker 1: actually make a move like this, right, And that's why
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  Speaker 1: again I'm so sensitive to the situation because you know
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  Speaker 1: that it's the other things, not the feeling. You can
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  Speaker 1: look at him each week and say, man, he can't
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  Speaker 1: play anymore, but you love the guy so much, so
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  Speaker 1: you make evaluations with your heart instead of your eyes,
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  Speaker 1: and you'll see it year after year with these quarterback
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  Speaker 1: Actually just talked about Brady and Rodgers. Are they done?
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  Speaker 1: But teams will keep holding onto them because of the
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  Speaker 1: other intangible elements that go along with it. I want
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  Speaker 1: to look at the schedule. I mentioned they got sweat
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  Speaker 1: by the Titans, and that was devastating five straight losses.
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  Speaker 1: They lost in week four and then lost him again
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  Speaker 1: week seven. I said they're not going to make it.
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  Speaker 1: The Colts won't as a wild card. That might have
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  Speaker 1: been a little too aggressive here, because if you look
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  Speaker 1: at the a f C West and other than Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: or or Kansas City, no one's really running away with anything.
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  Speaker 1: There isn't a division leader with five or more wins
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  Speaker 1: other than the Jets. So the Colts at three wins
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  Speaker 1: can still legitimately make a wild card here. But it
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  Speaker 1: is not an easy schedule. They got Washington and Taylor
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  Speaker 1: Heineke this week, and then it's New England, Vegas, Philly, Pittsburgh, Dallas, Minnesota,
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  Speaker 1: the Chargers, the Giants. There are no easy outs on
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  Speaker 1: this schedule whatsoever. And you're tossing the Keys, the Sam
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  Speaker 1: Mellon boy, but just the whole quarterback here cell that
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  Speaker 1: they've had there. I mean, the instability is just is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. Look, how do you think the Falcons are
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  Speaker 1: feeling now? Like we got rid of Matt Ryan for
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  Speaker 1: a third round draft pick. We're doing okay with Marcus Mariota.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing just fine. Yesterday not a great example love
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  Speaker 1: of the offense really couldn't do anything against the Bengals.
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  Speaker 1: But credit to the Bengals. The eight second overall pick,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, in exchange for Matt Ryan turned into
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  Speaker 1: D'Angelo Malone, the edge rusher from Western Kentucky. So two overall,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Ryan bench. That is your story today. There is
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  Speaker 1: other news obviously around the league, and there's news out
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  Speaker 1: of New York that is uncomfortable for those five and
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  Speaker 1: two Jets. You hated Bruce Hall as expected. Robert Stale
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  Speaker 1: kind of hinted at this yesterday. Done for the year,
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  Speaker 1: that is according to our Tom Pella Sero Bruese. Hall
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  Speaker 1: took to Twitter said he appreciates the endless love and
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  Speaker 1: the supports. It's another step along the journey. See you
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  Speaker 1: all soon soon, however, will not be before and all
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  Speaker 1: likelihood next to year and training camp. I mentioned Tom
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  Speaker 1: had that news. He's with us and in Rappid wore
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  Speaker 1: back with us as well. Tom. This injury comes eight
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  Speaker 1: days before the trade deadline. Michael Carter is the number
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  Speaker 1: two back, but Robert Sale and the Jets are losing
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  Speaker 1: Breeze Hall. That's right, Andrew. This was something Robert Sala
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  Speaker 1: had said was the belief based upon the initial physical
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  Speaker 1: exam on Breefe Hall, which is usually pretty accurate when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to torn a c LS. The the m
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  Speaker 1: r I confirmed it this morning. It is a torn
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  Speaker 1: a c L for Briefe Hall. He also has some
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  Speaker 1: minor meniscus damage, which is pretty common with a c LS.
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  Speaker 1: He had been a huge piece of this offense, particularly
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  Speaker 1: in recent weeks. Is that Jets offense, but Zach Wilson
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  Speaker 1: back in the lineup had begin to begun to gather
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  Speaker 1: steam and the Jets have been winning some games. Now
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned Michael Carter, he would certainly be the next
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  Speaker 1: man up. You also have to look at the fact
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  Speaker 1: that trade deadline is eight days away. Here there are
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  Speaker 1: some high profile backs, guys like Cam Akers who potentially
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  Speaker 1: are available, and we are getting to that time where
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  Speaker 1: the teams that in the Jets situation, are inside of
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  Speaker 1: the playoff picks that they're gonna have to make some
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  Speaker 1: decisions about whether they're going to be aggressive, go out
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  Speaker 1: and additional pieces, or go with the guys who have
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  Speaker 1: been developing the house. And it's amazing, Tom, the thing
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  Speaker 1: about the Jets being in a position where they could
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  Speaker 1: be buyers at the trade deadline. The Jets could be
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  Speaker 1: buyers at the trade deadline, which is truly amazing. And
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  Speaker 1: there are some running backs you mentioned one in Cam
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  Speaker 1: Makers Kareem Hunt another one I know early on in
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  Speaker 1: training Cam had some desires to be traded the way
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  Speaker 1: the Brown season has gone. He's not under contract for
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  Speaker 1: next year. That would certainly be another name to consider
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  Speaker 1: as well. If the Jets wanted to make a move
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  Speaker 1: for running back now, like Kareem Hunt or someone like that,
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  Speaker 1: would be that expensive at this point. So if there's
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  Speaker 1: one thing that we know about Joe Douglas, similar to
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  Speaker 1: some of the other younger gms around the league, he
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  Speaker 1: is open to some trades. I'd keep an eye on
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  Speaker 1: the Jets, all right. Both of those running backs you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: their acres and Hunt come from systems where they could
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  Speaker 1: likely step in pretty quickly there for michaela floor. Meantime, Tom,
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  Speaker 1: this video that's going around of the officials they're leaving
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  Speaker 1: the build or leaving the field in Carolina has has
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  Speaker 1: opened a lot of eyes. Here tell me about this
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  Speaker 1: league investigation into an autograph. Let's start with this, Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: The NFL does not yet know exactly what was happening here,
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  Speaker 1: which is why they are initiating the review. The two
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  Speaker 1: game officials you see there are side judge Jeff Lambert
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  Speaker 1: and line judge Trip Sutter, who appeared to be handing
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  Speaker 1: Mike Evans something for him to sign. Now, again, we
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  Speaker 1: don't know that this was autograph seeking, though obviously there
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of people on Twitter who have immediately
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  Speaker 1: gone to that conclusion. It is worth mentioning the NFL
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  Speaker 1: NFL are a collective Barney agreement specifically says game officials
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  Speaker 1: shall not ask players, coaches, or any other team personnel
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  Speaker 1: for autographs or memorabilia. So what exactly it was like
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  Speaker 1: Kevin signing and why in that particular situation something that
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  Speaker 1: struck a lot of people as odd. The league is
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  Speaker 1: going to get to the bottom of it, and I
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  Speaker 1: would have imagine we will get some answers here. Pretty
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  Speaker 1: it's not like golfhere you have to sign your scorecard. Um,
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  Speaker 1: after you're round. Ian dk Metcalf, what's his story? This
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  Speaker 1: was kind of a weird one. Dk Metcalf landed a
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  Speaker 1: little bit awkwardly on his knee and was quickly ruled out,
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  Speaker 1: which almost always is you guys know, means of real
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  Speaker 1: and significant injury does not seem to be the case
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: though in DK Metcalf, who was you know, smiling a
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: little bit after the injury, was spotted following the game
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: walking without a limp, which is a very good sign. Uh.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: We all were kind of wondering what is this. Turns
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: out it's a proteller tendon strain, no surgery for DK Metcalf,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: which is the most important thing. Not considered to be
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: season ending, but it is week to week and First
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Seattle one of the really the one of the fuel
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: good stories of the NFL, and Metcalf has been a
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: huge part of it along with Geno Smith. He now
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: faces the prospect of being out one or probably more games,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: but the fact that it's not season ending is a
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: little bit of a silver line. Okay, so some good
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: news there. Potentially, what about Evan Neil's situation? Well, and
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: this could be another situation where you have a player
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: who is going to miss some time, but not as
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: much as it initially appeared he might. Evan Neil, the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: highly picked offensive tackle for the New York Giants, suffering
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: a knee injury that I am told is believed to
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: be an mc l Sprain. Now there's a lot of
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: different degrees of that. There are different types, and the
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: timetable is going to vary as well, So you would
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: certainly expect that Neil status is going to be very
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: much in doubt here in the near term coming up
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: this week for the Giants, But not an a c
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: L injury is my understanding here. So there's some optimism
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: he's going to get back on the field soon or later,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: including from Neil himself, who actually walked out of the
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: locker room after the game yesterday. He had a rap
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: and a brace on that left knee, but no crutches.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: He was walking under his own power. A reporter asked him,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: how is he doing? He said, don't worry about me.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I'll be fine. Giants are in Seattle to face the Seahawks.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: And if you had that game circled in August as
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: one of the Prima A Week eight matchups, raise your hand,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: now put it down because you're a liar. Coming up.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Speaking of interesting, what in the world is going on
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers. They've lost
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: three games in a rope the first time in four years.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Last time that happened, Mike McCarthy got fired. We'll try
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to figure out the Packers coming up on NFL. Now
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: when when win win win? Okay, so there's no way
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the Packers are gonna lose three in a row. Like
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz out White and Taylor. I'm a huge Taylor
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Heinekey fan. In hike, he started so poorly, like started
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: one for seven and then here tov Andre Campbell with
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a pick six. The Packers had another defensive touchdown called back.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: This was a one sided game early early on up
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: fourteen three. The beautiful house call Carthon Wentz like I
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: could have done betterday. Yeah, but they let Taylor Heinek
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: hang around and you can't do that. Terry McLaurin propet
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: of the bucket eating Jay Alexander, the Commanders are in command.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: They win one. Aaron Rodgers, You still think this team
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: is gonna make the playoff? Right, they can make a run, right,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: it does I'm not I'm not worried about this squad.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: In fact, this might be the best thing for us
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: this week. You know, nobody's gonna give us a chance
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: going to Buffalo and some night football. The chance they
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: get exposed, shoot, might be the best thing for us.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Our guys are extremely disappointed. I don't think anybody thought
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: we'd be in the spot that we're in right now. Um,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna find out what we're made of. So listen,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: we told you the Packers are never lost back to
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: back games under the floor. While they did that last week.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Now they've lost three straight. Rogers hadn't lost three straight
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: since Oh wait, I'm sorry since eighteen. Okay, but you
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: see these stats. Oh eight is part of it. He
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: has not been three and four since oh eight. We
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: can complain about the young wide receivers, Mark Ross, Steve Whites.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: We could say the old line David Botr didn't play obviously,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: that is a major issue as well. They had nine
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: penalties yesterday. There is a lot on Roger's shoulder. Is
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: he part of the problem. Is he playing well despite
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the problems? What do you see? Well, Well, he's not
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: playing great. I mean, we've seen him play better. Now.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: There's probably a lot of things that go into this.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: But the one thing the Packers have always asked more
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: of Aaron Rodgers than any other team is asked of
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: their quarterback. Right, they really don't run the ball. They
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: only ran a twelve times against Washington yesterday. Um, they
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: barely possessed the ball Washington hell of the thirty seven
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: twenty three time of possession advantage. But they're just not
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: functioning overall. Right, Aaron Rodgers is right. This is a
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: team that probably couldn't go on a type of a run.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: But right now they're not playing good football. They started out,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: they had that fourteen to three lead one because of
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: defensive score, but overall, just nothing seems to be going right,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: guys or not he plays again, Rodgers is not is
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: accurate or as good as he is. One thing he's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: not doing, he's really turning the ball over. But Mark,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: when you watch his Packers team, they just don't seem
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to have any juice. And I mean I think offensively,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: maybe getting the ball to Aaron Jones hands and and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a j Dealings hands a little bit more might help.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: But they just don't seem to have any pop or
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: excitement to what they're doing. And that comes down to talents,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to even a lack of talent. And look, Aaron Rodgers
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: old quarterbacks, they all hit the wall. I know a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: lot of them are ageless. He's the goat, but they
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: hit the wall. And they never come back to the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: form that they once were. And I see the that
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: in Aaron Rodgers right now. But the combination of that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you talked about not running the ball. Their best players
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: are there running backs and Aaron Jones and a j Dialon,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: but they can't run the ball because they have no
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: receivers and there's no threat down the field. You saw
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: those highlights there where guys just either are not open
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: or not making plays, and that's not going to change.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: So there's huge concern for me with this Packers offense.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: We've been saying it week after week after week. Okay,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you know what you have to change, but if you
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: don't have the personnel and you don't have the talent
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to change is that, then you can't change it. No
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: one's afraid of the Packers receivers. No one's afraid of
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the Packers past game like they've been in years past,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: just because there's no threat. Who's their best player, Alan Lazard.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: You know Dobbs didn't play yesterday. He had been the guy.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: So this is when I see this offense, it's going
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to be a struggle just because teams know, let's just
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: load it up and let's see if any of these
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: guys can beat us, and I don't know if they can.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And next week against that Buffalo d we might see
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: more of the same with this Packers offense barely beat
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Bailey's happy you get Daniel Jones, Zach Wilson, Taylor, Heineken.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Now three straight losses, not playing well in a month
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and teams are trolling the Packers. Sauce Gardner was where
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the said yesterday. There are a lot of green Bay
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: fans at FedEx Percy Butler's wearing cheese heads after the game,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: these heads in the commander's locker room. Look, look there
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: were fans. They're chanting sell the team yesterday, right, there
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: are a lot of green Bay fans in the building.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yet in the end it's the Manders who had the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: last laugh here and they beat Aaron Rodgers and the Packers.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: You thought it was bad for green Bay? Did you
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: see Tom Brady and the Buck row? This is kind
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: of the Buck season in a nutshell. Mike Kevans at
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: ten point nine yards of separation? Oh Mike, what you doing?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Eleven yards of separation? That's the opening drive that kind
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of set the tones in Aaron Rodgers loses, Tom Brady loses.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Brady loses games back to back to teams with losing
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: records for the first time in his career. You come
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: up the field and I'm sure there was a lot
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of things we didn't do right. So no one feels
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: good about where we're at. No one feels good about
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: how we played or what we're doing. So we all
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: got up. We're on it together. Man, we gotta go
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: put ourselves out of it. We're gonna go in tomorrow morning.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: We've got a short week. We've gotta work hard to
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: try to fix it. Coming up next on NFL. Now,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: why the long face? Try to figure out what happened
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: yes esterday in Carolina and can they fix it by Thursday.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I'm taking time shaking. All right, let's get to the
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady thing. So this is the first time he
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: has ever lost back to back games. I mean, it's
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a it's a team sport. I realized two teams with
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: losing records and this is how it started. White. Yeah,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that doesn't help. This sets a horrible tone. A minute
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: a half end of the game, Mike Evans admits, look,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: it kind of just took the air out of their
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: collective balloon. But they couldn't stop Chuba Hubbard to three.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: All they got was a Ryan suck Up field goal.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: They're three and four. You have to play as a team,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: take accountability. You have to work hard after that. Discipline, commitment,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: not on physical toughness. Those are all character traits. And
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: we have a lot of great guys in the locker room.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna go in tomorrow on morning. We've got
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a short week. We've gotta work hard to try to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: fix it. Hm. Well, I guess because they have to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: bring the ny jyng game that you know, uh come
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: off flat a lot of times, and uh, that's just
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: some Each person has a look in the mirror, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I have to side whether they want to be on
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: this books teams or not. At the end of the day,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: we have to wear this on our sleeves. They gotta
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: be grown men. We're gonna see what we're made of.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: How many people can handle adversity. And it's about as
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: dark as it's gonna be right now, not as dark
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: as it's going to be right now. White and Mark
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Ross And it's a short week as well. They get
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the Ravens on T and F at home. The games
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: in Tampa for what it's worth coming up on Thursday.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: No Antoine Winfield at all likelihood he's in concussion protocol.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: But but Steve, one thing stood out to me, and
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Todd Bowles has hinted this in the past year. He said,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: what is your team lacking? He said toughness? Yeah, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that's never good. I mean, forever a coach to call
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: out this team for not being tough. That's one thing.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: This game, they were totally uninspired. Learning from nets, they
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: would keep coming out flat. Is this too many older
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: veterans just saying Okay, we'll be able to turn it
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: on at some point. The way they're playing right now,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I mean they gotta start loseing some confidence in what
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: they're doing. I mean, Carolina had no business in this game,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and they came out and played like they were the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: better team. It was. They traded Christian McCaffrey and Robby
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Anders right and there, and their coach they just got right.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And the Bucks must have came out and said, Okay,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: well they're done. We're just gonna cruise to this game
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and they gotta take it to them. So the Bucks, though,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: our team where I think they can get it together, right,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: But as Todd Bowles continues to say he's been saying
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: for a week, one, we have to decide to see
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: who wants to be on this team. I don't understand
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: what's happening in that locker room where these guys know
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: they can win ball games but aren't doing whatever it takes,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: even mentally to win ball games. Mark, maybe you can
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: see this better than me. I mean, nobody's playing great.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: This defense isn't playing great. That's what we thought that
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: bread was gonna be buttered, regardless about the offense played.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: They don't run the ball. They don't even try to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: run the ball. But that's nothing new, um agin And
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I think this is just a bad stretch. I think
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: they can rally, but I don't know. I'm not so
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: sure that they will rally. Yeah, they got a lot
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: of talent, Steve, and you keep waiting for it to happen.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But the great teams I've been around, you've got leadership,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you've got continuity, and you've got the all in belief
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: that hey, we're gonna go win games together, not as individuals.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: And look, Tom Brady's the goat. We know that. But
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: there's been constant distractions with Tom Brady starting with the
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: retirement aspect, then going with a lot of off field issues,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and now is your leader, the guy that's supposed to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: be your guy, is he all in? And yes, you
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: can kind of push it away for a game two games,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: but now we're just going on a stretch where they
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: just look bad and they look distracted, and that whears
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: on a team where you all want to believe when
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you go into that building, into that locker room, that
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you're all working on the same goal, you're all in
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it and putting in one effort. And then you've got
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: your head coach who's not really providing that leadership either weekend,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and we got a lot of concerning quotes coming out
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: with we're not tough enough when we're living off the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl and guys aren't buying in. You've got players
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: saying that. It's just a lot of odd quotes coming
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: out of Tampa with not just talking about execution and preparation,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: but guys not really being a part of what's going on.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: So to me, it just looks like a distracted team
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: that may not be focused on you know what, We're
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: all on this goal to go in and win football game.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: You know the slow starts here. They've been trailing at
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the half and five of their seven games. They're now
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: three and four, and this was supposed to be their
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: get right game. Congrats to Steve Wilkes. Great moment for
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the Charlotte native after the game, getting the game ball.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Happy for him truly here. But other than the Saints,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: who had been their nemesis, they had not lost with
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady a division game, but they had not lost
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to the Falcons. They had not lost to the Panthers.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Not only had they been four and oh against the Panthers,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: they had won every game by at least two touchdowns.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: This was their get right game and they only get
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: a field goal and they got blown out three. NFL
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