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Speaker 1: Is the good report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight high school students chant Aliaba to support a Muslim
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Speaker 2: teacher suspended for defending nurses who literally said that kill
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Speaker 2: Israeli patients. And if that's not bad enough, the albis
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Speaker 2: In government gave a thirty three thousand dollars grant to
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Speaker 2: a Muslim group linked to a Scout leader who went
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Speaker 2: to Lebanon to mourn a terrorist boss. Well, so tonight
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Speaker 2: Labour smears Peter Dutton again, this time for making money
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Speaker 2: buying houses, but the Prime Minister won't say why He's
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Speaker 2: got his ministers dishing out this stupid dirt for him.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, what's wrong with Dunton making money out of property?
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Speaker 2: Haven't you as well? I make no comment and fighting
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Speaker 2: back a win for our campaign to end black bands
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Speaker 2: on climbing our prettiest mountains. But first, the Albanesi govern's
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Speaker 2: response to these three Chinese ships they've been firing guns
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Speaker 2: off our coast has been a total debarkle lies are
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Speaker 2: being told. Australia has been exposed also as weak and
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Speaker 2: almost defenseless, led by a prime minister it seems clueless
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Speaker 2: about how to respond to a clear threat from the
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Speaker 2: Chinese dictatorship. Worse, Anthony Alberanizzi seems astonishingly disengaged. Is playing
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Speaker 2: down the disruption this Chinese task force caused, and it's
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Speaker 2: sell them truths about our navy's response or lack of one.
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Speaker 2: China will be laughing knowing that here's the havoc caused
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Speaker 2: by just three of US warships. You should be scared
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Speaker 2: about the conclusions and our draws about our defenses as
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Speaker 2: it prepares for war over Taiwan. Now let me expose
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Speaker 2: Albanese's spin is extraordinary. China sent these three ships, the
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Speaker 2: crews from our northern coast to the seas off Hobart,
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Speaker 2: coming as close as one hundred and fifty nautical miles
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Speaker 2: off Sydney. They have never sailed this far south in
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Speaker 2: our waters. But our defensive minister, Richard Mars said, don't worry.
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Speaker 2: He said, this is the last week. He said, We're
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Speaker 2: on top of this.
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Speaker 3: We are monitoring very closely what the activities of the
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Speaker 3: task group arek and Albanize.
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Speaker 2: Even yesterday still was claiming the same.
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Speaker 4: Australia has had a frigate both monitoring by sea and
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Speaker 4: by air of the presence in the region of these
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Speaker 4: Chinese Chinese vessels.
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Speaker 2: Now already both of those statements were false or exaggerated.
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Speaker 2: For one, we haven't got a frigate tailing this Chinese
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Speaker 2: task force. We didn't have one spare. We got New
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Speaker 2: Zealand to do it with one of theirs. Two, this supposedly,
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Speaker 2: you know this very close watching, well really close watching,
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Speaker 2: our defense force is said today they're not even sure
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Speaker 2: if that Chinese task force includes a submarine. Small detail.
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Speaker 2: What's more, that New Zealand frigate that's keeping a close
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Speaker 2: eye out for us didn't tell us on Friday that
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Speaker 2: this task force had started a live fire exercise off
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Speaker 2: our coast until ninety minutes later. Ninety minutes. In fact,
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Speaker 2: it took a Virgin Australia pilot flying from Sydney to
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Speaker 2: Queens Too out of first raised the alarm thirty minutes
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Speaker 2: after the Chinese started playing with their guns, nearly an
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Speaker 2: hour before New Zealand ship told our military. Now that
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Speaker 2: Virgin pilot heard this morning from the Chinese or this
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Speaker 2: reported warning, according to Channel seven.
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Speaker 1: Security, several times where.
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Speaker 5: In a fertal areas.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's be clear about the timings here. The Virgin
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Speaker 2: pilot was the first to warn our military through air
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Speaker 2: safety officials what was going on.
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Speaker 6: It was in fact a Virgin Australia aircraft that advised
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Speaker 6: one of our air traffic controllers that.
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Speaker 1: A foreign warship was.
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Speaker 6: Broadcasting that they were conducting a live firing three hundred
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Speaker 6: Nordica miles east off our coast. So that's how we
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Speaker 6: first found out about the issue.
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Speaker 2: That timeline was again confirmed this morning by our Defense
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Speaker 2: Force Chief Admiral David Johnson. So even with the help
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Speaker 2: of a Virgin pilot, our Defense Force did not know
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Speaker 2: about the Chinese firing guns could have been missiles for
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Speaker 2: all we know, until more than half an hour after
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Speaker 2: the excise started, and when the first of forty nine
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Speaker 2: civilian planes were already taking evasive action, having to change
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Speaker 2: flight paths in mid air to stay out of danger.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, that's obviously forty nine plans. That
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Speaker 2: is a very significant disruption. I mean there's a danger there,
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Speaker 2: especially when China gave no official warning in advance.
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Speaker 7: It is just clearly disruptive. It doesn't demonstrate the best
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Speaker 7: practice that we would expect, so it sure falls short
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Speaker 7: of the standard that we apply to ourselves, and in
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Speaker 7: that sense, it was irresponsible.
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Speaker 2: It was actually more than irresponsible and disruptive. This was
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Speaker 2: actually China being deliberately provocative. It was essentially it's bullying us.
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Speaker 8: But now, but now see how our prime minister the
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Speaker 8: first played down the Chinese action, falsely claimed China had
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Speaker 8: warned us, and.
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Speaker 2: Then falsely claimed his government had been all over it.
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Speaker 2: On Friday, Albanize insisted no aircraft had been in danger,
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Speaker 2: and he actually defended the Chinese warships.
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Speaker 4: China issued, in accordance with practice, an alert that it
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Speaker 4: would be conducting these activities.
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Speaker 2: False false false. China gave no official warning of this
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Speaker 2: live fire, and even the unofficial warning to aircraft above
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Speaker 2: came after the exercise had already started. So really China
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Speaker 2: gave no warning at all. And then today Albanize he
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Speaker 2: contradicted his own Defense Force chief that you saw there
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Speaker 2: just before in that clip by suggesting the New Zealand
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Speaker 2: frigate that was tailing this Chinese task force had reported
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Speaker 2: the live fire quote around the same time as the
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Speaker 2: part of that virgin plane.
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Speaker 4: At around the same time, there were two areas of notification.
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Speaker 4: One was from the New Zealand Vessels worth.
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Speaker 2: Tailing don't be fooled. The New Zealand frigate might have
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Speaker 2: heard the Chinese warning at the same time as that plane,
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Speaker 2: but it did not pass it on to us, which
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Speaker 2: is the crucial point until nearly an hour after the
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Speaker 2: Virgin Pilot's warning was passed. Time was Admiral Johnson himself
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Speaker 2: had already said.
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Speaker 9: I'm also concerned, I might say, to see reports that
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Speaker 9: seems conflicting between the Chief of the Defense Force and
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Speaker 9: the Prime Minister as to what is actually happening in
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Speaker 9: our waters. The Prime Minister is scared and he's not
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Speaker 9: up to his job. We know that I don't know
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Speaker 9: what the Prime Minister is doing at the moment, but
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Speaker 9: he's ducking and weaving and failing to answer basic questions.
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Speaker 9: And I hope that the Prime Minister can come out
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Speaker 9: and give an honest account of what the government knew.
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Speaker 2: And when I mean, the mind just boggles. How could
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister be all over the shop about this
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Speaker 2: most serious act of intimidation by China's military? Why do
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Speaker 2: you go soften it? And how prepared is our navy
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Speaker 2: when it's struggling to monitor just three Chinese ships that
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Speaker 2: are here in the exercise imagine the chaos if China
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Speaker 2: sent not three ships but thirty to say, you know,
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Speaker 2: cut off all our shipping. If it did go to
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Speaker 2: war over Taiwan, what a shambs that would be? What
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Speaker 2: are shambles? And if we do not learn some lessons here,
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Speaker 2: we are sitting ducks should China ever return? Now, last
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Speaker 2: night I said this election would be the dirtiest in years,
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Speaker 2: and today indeed we got yet more mud from the
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Speaker 2: other He's the government led now I have to say
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Speaker 2: by a coward and a hypocrite. I'm sorry to keep
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Speaker 2: attacking this government, but I've never seen one as bad
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Speaker 2: as this. I mean, this is mind boggling. But anyway,
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Speaker 2: what else would you though expect from this government but
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Speaker 2: to fling mud. Precisely for the reason I just said,
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Speaker 2: this government's behind in the polls, the economy of sick
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Speaker 2: people are struggling, and it's got next to nothing to
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Speaker 2: boast about. So yesterday it implied, as I told you
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Speaker 2: last night, the opposition to Leader Peter Dutton is a crook.
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Speaker 2: Prove it. Of course it did say it outside Parliament
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Speaker 2: Scott basically nothing but you know, I said, oh but look, look,
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Speaker 2: you know when he was in opposition six six sixteen
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Speaker 2: years ago. Sixteen years ago he bought bank shares the
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Speaker 2: day before the Rudd Labor government. He was an opposition.
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Speaker 2: This is the government doing it, gave the banks another bailout. Ah. Well,
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Speaker 2: today it was even sillier Labour saying, hey, Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 2: you'll be shocked to hear this. He bore and sold
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Speaker 2: a lot of houses from the time that he was
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Speaker 2: just twenty and was in business with his bill of father.
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Speaker 2: Labor even found a newspaper which agreed to run this stuff.
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Speaker 2: Was that ever even saying what sin Dutton had committed?
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Speaker 2: Leaving of course to this brawl on TV with Labour's
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Speaker 2: chief mud thrower Murray, What at Murray? You are the
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Speaker 2: king grub Jane.
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Speaker 10: Is obviously very defensive about this story, talking over the
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Speaker 10: top of you there, Nat. I mean, there are some
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Speaker 10: really simple answers, for simple questions for Peter to answer
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Speaker 10: that he still hasn't answered. How many shares did he
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Speaker 10: trade miraculously the day before the government at the time
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Speaker 10: bailed out the banks with a massive bailout. How much
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Speaker 10: profit did he make on those share trades? And most importantly,
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Speaker 10: was he aware that the government was about to bail
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Speaker 10: out the banks when he made these share trades. This
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Speaker 10: is a guy who had never.
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Speaker 1: Accusing him out loud without parliamentary privilege.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm asking Jane.
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Speaker 10: I know you're very defensive about this question, but these
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Speaker 10: are very serious questions that Peter Dutton, who wants to
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Speaker 10: be the Prime Minister of Australia, needs to answer. He's
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Speaker 10: put out a vague, tricky statement yesterday as he said,
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Speaker 10: this is Sussnat keeps talking about the people because she's worried.
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Speaker 2: About this.
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Speaker 5: From the government.
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Speaker 10: No, these are legitimate questions to be asking about someone
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Speaker 10: who wants to be the Prime Minister of Australia. We've
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Speaker 10: seen another story break today about the thirty million dollars
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Speaker 10: of property buying and selling that Peter Dutton's been engaged
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Speaker 10: in while he's been in parliament. Maybe that's why he
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Speaker 10: doesn't understand the cost of living pressures that people are under.
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Speaker 1: Any people.
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Speaker 10: He goes to the point about why Peter Dutton has
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Speaker 10: opposed every bit of cost of living relief.
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Speaker 2: We provided god spairs but it worked, of course. So
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Speaker 2: there's all this stuff that will be playing the high rotation.
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Speaker 2: It's a distraction it's mad, no smoking gun. This politics
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Speaker 2: of envy now is so richer and Paddy led a
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Speaker 2: decade to go by Kevin Rabb it was richer than
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Speaker 2: Dutton and so what.
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Speaker 9: I started out as a butcher's boy many years ago,
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Speaker 9: and I've never stopped working from that day. I've been
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Speaker 9: proud of what my family and I have been able
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Speaker 9: to achieve. And I actually think the Australian public wants
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Speaker 9: somebody who knows how to manage money, knows how to
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Speaker 9: manage the economy. I've demonstrated that as Assistant Treasurer. I've
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Speaker 9: conducted myself with integrity at all times. And if the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister has a claim to make, why doesn't he
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Speaker 9: get up and make.
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Speaker 2: It Minister himself. He pretended today was all above this
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Speaker 2: cheap smearing of his opponent, be his henchman.
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: What's wrong with Dutton making money out of property? Haven't
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Speaker 2: you as well?
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Speaker 4: I make no comment about Peter Dutton's matters. That's the
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Speaker 4: matter for him.
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Speaker 11: A Prime minister indicated they done quite an extensive property
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Speaker 11: as his use of the use of the trust.
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Speaker 1: Fund past the pop testing.
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Speaker 4: It's a matter for Petter Dutt.
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Speaker 2: The Trust fund, by the way, has no assets in it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing is a joke. Join me
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Speaker 2: is the political panel camera Milner formative stuff, the labor
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Speaker 2: leader Bill Shorten, now director of GXO Strategies, and Michael
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Speaker 2: cossa former New South Wales labor treasure Michael petered today
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Speaker 2: again and I did any inside knowledge before he bought
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Speaker 2: those banks shares the day before Labor's bailout. The banks
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Speaker 2: have been getting guarantees and everything beforehand. The record, you know,
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Speaker 2: the share price is a record low. So I made
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Speaker 2: it a good investment. And Labor has offered no evidence
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Speaker 2: to contradict him when he says he had no inside knowledge.
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Speaker 2: Is his word good enough for you? Oh?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely? This is ridiculous, you know. And the story today
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Speaker 5: was even worse. I mean the fact that you can
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Speaker 5: add up a guy's property transactions and being that he
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Speaker 5: doesn't even known those properties any longer, but total it
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Speaker 5: up and say that you've got a thirty million dollar
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Speaker 5: property bought. How it's just bizarre.
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Speaker 2: I could do that to Albo right now.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I could add the dly Jill property he
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Speaker 5: just sold for two million to the four million dollar
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Speaker 5: property he's got plus the other two million, and we
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Speaker 5: can probably you know, and induce a rental value for
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Speaker 5: the other two properties the government provides and say he's
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Speaker 5: got a ten million dollar portfolio. It's just ridiculous, Andrew,
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Speaker 5: but it's smacks of desperation. The look, I didn't think
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Speaker 5: we never get to the point. I thought it was
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Speaker 5: going to be a minority labor government. Clearly they're polling
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Speaker 5: is showing the Dutton's doing much better than they thought,
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Speaker 5: and they could he could actually get a minority government.
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Speaker 5: That's the only explanation for this ridiculous attack. The papers
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Speaker 5: ought to be condemned too, because I mean that story
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Speaker 5: should never have been published in the City Morning Herald
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Speaker 5: the way it was a structured They're desperate, they are
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Speaker 5: absolutely desperate.
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Speaker 2: A Cameron. Look, you've been in the war rooms figuring
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Speaker 2: out how to run campaigns that said, you know, just
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Speaker 2: occupied a bit of my show, aired the allegations without
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Speaker 2: any evidence, appealed to the you know, the envy factor
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Speaker 2: or all these houses. It's just incredible. Is it going
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Speaker 2: to work?
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Speaker 3: Well, no, it's not, Andrew, and I agree with Michael Costa.
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Speaker 3: This is desperation and politics of the worst kind. Of
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Speaker 3: the worst kind from from Labor who's clearly got nothing left,
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Speaker 3: nothing left to do in terms of saying anything positive
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Speaker 3: about Albow, anything positive about their agenda.
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Speaker 1: This is just mud and.
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Speaker 3: Sludge fired up by him, I might say, by Albow's
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Speaker 3: close mate, a lobbyist called Amin Fitzpatrick, who specializes in
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Speaker 3: running dirt units. So Amin Fitzpatrick is a lobbyist. You
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Speaker 3: can look him up lots of pictures with Albow. So
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Speaker 3: Albot should stop hiding hiding behind Amen and come clean,
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Speaker 3: stop laying a dirt unit, muddy up Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: And actually have a square fight.
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Speaker 3: This is desperation politics of the worst kind, Andrew, and
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Speaker 3: it'll be seen by electors for what it is. And
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Speaker 3: goodness know is the Sitting Morning Herald used to be
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Speaker 3: better than that than some lazy journalists just regurgitating Labour's
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Speaker 3: dirt unit lines.
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Speaker 2: But I just honestly can't see what the sin is
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Speaker 2: in having built exactly sold houses. I mean, but it
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Speaker 2: doesn't know much. What would you do if you locked
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Speaker 2: up everyone exactly? Michael, exactly Michael. The government's handling of
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Speaker 2: these three Chinese ships, your reaction, I.
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Speaker 5: Think it's a disgrace. An absolute disgrace, and it shows
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Speaker 5: that this government has been behind on defense and foreign
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Speaker 5: affairs all through this last three years. I mean, their
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Speaker 5: strategy to suck up to China for some short term
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Speaker 5: trade gain. And I'll reiterate the point I keep making
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Speaker 5: when this comes up. China trades with us because it
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Speaker 5: benefits it. It's not doing us a favor. If it
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Speaker 5: didn't benefit China a trade with us, they'd go somewhere else.
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Speaker 5: And you know, that's the reality of it, the fact
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Speaker 5: that is that we'd compromise the fact that you've got
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Speaker 5: to rely on a commercial airline to tell you that
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Speaker 5: there's a Chinese flotilla floating off your cast and firing
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Speaker 5: live ammunition. It shows that were you have got no
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Speaker 5: defense policy in this country. And really this ought to
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Speaker 5: be a central issue in the election campaign, and I
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Speaker 5: think it will be. I think this will be damaging
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Speaker 5: if the opposition can get onto this in a more
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Speaker 5: meaningful way and a more forceful way. I think this
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Speaker 5: is an election issue of great proportion.
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Speaker 2: I find it interesting, Cameron that it was Virgin Airline
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Speaker 2: pilot that warned what was going on. It wasn't an rwfjet.
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Speaker 2: I mean seriously, Well is that said army exactly?
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Speaker 3: And there's none of our six Collins class submarines are
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Speaker 3: anywhere because they were all in doc as well. Now
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Speaker 3: I think this is much worse, much worse because Albo
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Speaker 3: has been weak China. He's loved being called a handsome boy.
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Speaker 3: He hasn't stood up to Beijing once. But now now
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Speaker 3: Primate facing, he looks like he's lying on national security,
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Speaker 3: lying about a national security when an admiral in Senate
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Speaker 3: testimony contradicts completely what the Prime minister said.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's got a problem.
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Speaker 3: The primis has got a problem on national security and
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Speaker 3: telling the truth, just like he had a problem explaining
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Speaker 3: how long it was that the AFP didn't bother briefing
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Speaker 3: him on a terrorist caravan. I mean, this bloke is
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Speaker 3: supposedly the Prime Minister of Australia, yet no one seems
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Speaker 3: to want to brief him. And now it looks like
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Speaker 3: he's lied about when he actually knew not only about
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Speaker 3: the caravan but also about the Chinese firing live arments
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Speaker 3: right on our coastline.
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Speaker 2: Now you're completely wrong, Cameron, because what you forget is
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Speaker 2: that Peter Dutton bought and sold houses and made a
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Speaker 2: bit of money off it. That is the story of
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Speaker 2: the day. There you go, Michael Costs. The today's inflation
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Speaker 2: figure for January showed the underline inflation, the one the
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Speaker 2: Reserve Bank works on, actually ticked up slightly. This is
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Speaker 2: after a cut rates, saying, you know, we're on the
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Speaker 2: road to conquering inflation. What does that tell you?
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Speaker 5: Well, Andrew can also remember that you still got the
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Speaker 5: rebates in there, all the state based rebates and the
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Speaker 5: electricity rebates from the federal government, and we already know
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Speaker 5: that the RBA is going to look beyond that. I
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Speaker 5: think that figure, you know, really puts into question the
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Speaker 5: last rate cut, and I said that at the time,
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Speaker 5: but it certainly means that that will we know rate
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Speaker 5: cut and if they're consistent that is in April. And
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Speaker 5: in fact, you know, this really stuffs up their election schedule.
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Speaker 5: I think the Prime minister's all over the shop now
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Speaker 5: about when he's going to go to an early election
19:42
Speaker 5: because he's got land mines in terms of the Reserve
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Speaker 5: Bank and also the budget and how he maneuved us
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Speaker 5: through this. I can't see a way I think he's
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Speaker 5: and I think we've this explains the sort of Dutton attack.
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Speaker 5: They are desperate, they haven't got a political strategy and
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Speaker 5: they're foundering in in a most amtrish way.
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Speaker 2: Now this is the point you where the excellent pointer you.
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Speaker 2: I think you were the first arrayser last week that
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Speaker 2: here we will have a Reserve Bank meeting and during
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Speaker 2: a campaign almost certainly where they will say no, we
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Speaker 2: can't cut to interest rates and that will be a
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Speaker 2: real downer for the party. Michael Cossa, Cameron Milner, thank
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Speaker 2: you very much to you both. Well, that was a
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Speaker 2: political reaction to this unbelievable handling of the three Chinese
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Speaker 2: warships in our borders. Let me now talk to someone
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Speaker 2: who's one of our top strategists for real sort of
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Speaker 2: military strategic overview. Joined me as Peter Jennings, a former
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Speaker 2: Deputy Secretary for Strategy in the Defense Department. He's now
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Speaker 2: Director of Strategic Analysis Australia. Peter, it was great, it's
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Speaker 2: great to see you. This shambles. Want to tell you,
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Speaker 2: I say it's a shambles. Maybe it isn't, maybe it's
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Speaker 2: perfectly executed. I don't know.
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Speaker 12: You tell me, oh, it's far from being perfectly executed.
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Speaker 12: I mean, one, we have a government that's just not
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Speaker 12: focused on this issue. It's not important to the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 12: He's not paying attention to it, and therefore he's not
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Speaker 12: demanding the pace of information he needs to get from Defense,
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Speaker 12: and perhaps even worse, Defense isn't focused on it either.
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Speaker 12: We should have been right up close and personal with
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Speaker 12: those Chinese vessels. We should have had a P eight
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Speaker 12: maritime surveillance aircraft pretty much over the top of them,
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Speaker 12: full time reading the electronic signals coming from those vessels.
21:29
Speaker 12: We could have had surface ships tracking them. It seems
21:32
Speaker 12: to me that defense is too mired in too many
21:35
Speaker 12: senior generals and bureaucrats and committees, and not sufficiently focused
21:39
Speaker 12: on the hard operational tasks that we expect the organization
21:43
Speaker 12: to perform, like, for example, knowing that a threat is
21:46
Speaker 12: emerging on our east coast. So I think this has
21:49
Speaker 12: been both a defense failure, but most particularly a government
21:53
Speaker 12: failure for not dragging better performance out of the defense organization.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely extraordinary, Peter, when you get this unprecedented Chinese move
22:05
Speaker 2: this once, and firing of guns obviously in some sort
22:09
Speaker 2: of you know, we're we going to scare you. Look
22:11
Speaker 2: what we're capable of off our coast. That we relied
22:15
Speaker 2: on a Virgin jet pilot and a New Zealand frigate.
22:20
Speaker 2: They've only got two. Luckily they had one in the
22:22
Speaker 2: water there. We relied on them to be our ears
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Speaker 2: and eyes. I mean, this is just astonishing to me.
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Speaker 1: So we didn't need to do.
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Speaker 12: That, Andrew, when I was in the Defense Department, we
22:36
Speaker 12: would routinely put a maritime surveillance aircraft over a foreign
22:41
Speaker 12: naval vessel coming towards the Australian coast. It was frankly
22:46
Speaker 12: a very normal thing to do in order for Defense
22:50
Speaker 12: to be in this situation. That said, now it must
22:53
Speaker 12: have made a decision to keep as far away from
22:55
Speaker 12: that Chinese flotilla as it possibly could, and therefore it
22:59
Speaker 12: missed the communication. The communication that the Virgin pilot picked
23:03
Speaker 12: up went through a standard radio frequency which an Australian
23:08
Speaker 12: Air Force Maritimes surveillance aircraft would most certainly have picked
23:11
Speaker 12: up had it been in the region. So that there
23:14
Speaker 12: has been a significant operational failure here, which I think
23:19
Speaker 12: becomes very stark when you see the Chief of the
23:22
Speaker 12: Defense Force giving evidence in estimates committees. Today's today quite
23:27
Speaker 12: at variance from what the Prime Minister is saying. You know,
23:31
Speaker 12: I'm afraid this is amateurish stuff driven by a government
23:35
Speaker 12: not interested in defense and not knowing how to deal
23:38
Speaker 12: with China.
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Speaker 2: That's the core of it.
23:40
Speaker 12: They don't know how to deal with Beijing.
23:42
Speaker 2: To put a game. I'd say to you, Peter that yeah, well,
23:45
Speaker 2: I've got to say to you you've kept you You've
23:47
Speaker 2: lifted your eye off the main game. Don't forget Peter
23:49
Speaker 2: Dutton bought and sold houses. That's obviously what the Prime
23:53
Speaker 2: Minister was focused on today. What though, we talk about
23:57
Speaker 2: the stuff ups and I'm staggered, you know, the prim
24:00
Speaker 2: telling out and out talky's about what the Chinese were
24:02
Speaker 2: up to and when we got warned and all that
24:05
Speaker 2: kind of thing. What are the Chinese actually up to
24:08
Speaker 2: do you think? Sailing up and now and firing their guns.
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Speaker 12: They're doing two things. I mean, one is directly intimidating Australia.
24:16
Speaker 12: It's saying to us, you remember your place, You're a
24:19
Speaker 12: subordinate country and we're the boss here. That's message number one.
24:23
Speaker 12: Message number two I think is testing to see what,
24:27
Speaker 12: if anything, the Trump administration is going to do about it.
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Speaker 2: After all, we are, along with.
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Speaker 12: Japan, America's closest military partners in this part of the world.
24:38
Speaker 12: If America watches this, they would surely express some degree
24:42
Speaker 12: of concern about what's happening.
24:43
Speaker 1: To an ally.
24:44
Speaker 12: So I think it's a test China is seeing will
24:47
Speaker 12: we react to our bullying and we have failed terribly
24:51
Speaker 12: to do nothing that's of any value. And I think
24:54
Speaker 12: they're waiting to see is the Trump administration going to
24:57
Speaker 12: react in any way? If there's no signals out of
24:59
Speaker 12: what Washington, the signal to Beijing, or the message to
25:03
Speaker 12: Beijing will be, hey, you can do what you want
25:04
Speaker 12: in the Endo Pacific. So you know, Washington should have
25:08
Speaker 12: been taking this more seriously as well and expecting Australia
25:11
Speaker 12: to do a better job.
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Speaker 2: Well, that is a very sobering message. Peter Jennings, thank
25:17
Speaker 2: you so much, indeed for your time. I want to
25:20
Speaker 2: put in some context by the way, you know, China's
25:23
Speaker 2: doing this to us here. It's had ships actually cutting
25:27
Speaker 2: undersea cables in Europe, communications cables, dragging the anchors. And
25:33
Speaker 2: now they're also holding li fire exercises of Vietnam because
25:37
Speaker 2: so Vietnam, Montad set a border that China thinks, so
25:41
Speaker 2: I know we want that water. Unbelievable, that's how crude
25:44
Speaker 2: it really is. After the break, Pope France is still
25:49
Speaker 2: in a critical condition. To tell you what else is
25:52
Speaker 2: in a critical condition, it's the church now under his leadership,
25:56
Speaker 2: and the question is who should take over to rescue it.
26:02
Speaker 2: Pope Francis has been seriously ill in hospital for twelve
26:07
Speaker 2: nights now, and that's never good for someone aged eighty eight.
26:11
Speaker 2: Doctors are saying but today saying that some overnight test
26:14
Speaker 2: results were a bit better, but the Pope is still
26:17
Speaker 2: in a critical but stable condition. Stationary they call it.
26:22
Speaker 2: Are you going to be sure that? The cardinals who
26:24
Speaker 2: elect new popes are already thinking of the next step
26:27
Speaker 2: after Francis?
26:29
Speaker 9: What?
26:30
Speaker 2: Because, to be honest, they want to cry over a
26:34
Speaker 2: sick man's bed. But the pope has not been a
26:36
Speaker 2: great success for a start. They're even warning to the
26:39
Speaker 2: Vatican faces bankruptcy in part because donations are down, and
26:43
Speaker 2: that in turn is part of because Catholics have seen
26:45
Speaker 2: the Vatican's financial scandals, why would you give them more money?
26:48
Speaker 2: But also because the pope, well it's of the left,
26:52
Speaker 2: I mean the pope that Hollywood would like the film
26:54
Speaker 2: Conclave clearly liked. Yes he would be of the left,
26:58
Speaker 2: but orderly Catholics don't ten to really respond to popes
27:01
Speaker 2: who preach on global warming, against border controls, about transgender rates,
27:06
Speaker 2: and about the redefinition of family values. Joining me as
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Speaker 2: Professor Greg Craven, lawyer and former vice chancellor and president
27:14
Speaker 2: of the Strange Catholic University and a giant brain as well, Greg,
27:19
Speaker 2: Sorry about that friendship council. See, I haven't seen it
27:24
Speaker 2: always does in this case it does. I haven't seen
27:29
Speaker 2: the same size of crowds outside this Pope's hospital as
27:33
Speaker 2: I did when the Great John Paul, too, a conservative,
27:37
Speaker 2: was dying twenty years ago. To show viewers John Paul's
27:41
Speaker 2: last appearance when he couldn't even speak for a brave man,
27:44
Speaker 2: how do you judge the reaction?
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Speaker 13: Well, I mean putting it in context. Whatever problems it's got,
27:53
Speaker 13: Catholicism is still the all Blacks of Christianity one point
27:57
Speaker 13: five billion and rising on Francis Watch. So somebody likes
28:01
Speaker 13: him having said that you're right about John Paul the second.
28:06
Speaker 13: But who could follow John Paul the second? This is
28:08
Speaker 13: the guy who probably did more to topple the evils
28:12
Speaker 13: of world communism than anyone else. He's a sort of
28:14
Speaker 13: a Gandy meets Churchill type figure. So yes, I think
28:19
Speaker 13: there's less of an outpouring so far for Francis, although
28:22
Speaker 13: we haven't seen the funeral. But Jeer'd be hard to
28:26
Speaker 13: meet with John Paul the second. He's not called John
28:28
Speaker 13: Paul a great for nothing.
28:32
Speaker 2: Or a saint. Yeah. But even on that point where
28:34
Speaker 2: you said, you're absolutely correct that the heroicism of John
28:39
Speaker 2: Paul tooon it wasn't just in the manner of how
28:41
Speaker 2: he dealt with his fine illness, but standing up to
28:44
Speaker 2: probably no man on earth or person on earth did
28:47
Speaker 2: more to kill off communism in Europe than he did.
28:52
Speaker 2: But in contrast, you got this pope making a secret
28:55
Speaker 2: deal with China, not standing up to China. To the
28:58
Speaker 2: despair of the you know, of a cardinal in Hong Kong.
29:03
Speaker 2: They're saying, this is no good. I mean, this is
29:06
Speaker 2: the thing. He's not been a strong leader, has not
29:10
Speaker 2: been a very popular one, and the left wing causes.
29:14
Speaker 2: I don't know, is it time for the church to
29:16
Speaker 2: turn against what the conclave the movie says and vote
29:20
Speaker 2: for a conservative.
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Speaker 13: Well, you shouldn't hear it believe everything you hear in
29:26
Speaker 13: a Hollywood movie. I think the pope. The Pope has
29:31
Speaker 13: his own causes. It's true that the Catholic Church has
29:34
Speaker 13: if you like different polarities. On the one point, you've
29:37
Speaker 13: got identity what the church is. On the other hand,
29:39
Speaker 13: you got mission what the church does. John Paul was
29:42
Speaker 13: very much an identity person. Frutus is very much a
29:46
Speaker 13: mission person what we do. The Pope's infallible in rare
29:50
Speaker 13: circumstances on matters of doctrine, but he's not infallible on
29:55
Speaker 13: points of if you like Vatican foreign policy, and I
29:58
Speaker 13: don't think there are many people people who would say
30:01
Speaker 13: that the Chinese excursis has been a success. I think
30:06
Speaker 13: one of the challenges with Francis is that he likes
30:09
Speaker 13: setting hairs running. He likes seeing if something will work,
30:13
Speaker 13: and sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. I mean,
30:16
Speaker 13: he's not entirely left wing. Remember this is a guy
30:19
Speaker 13: who has always been said he's going to break the
30:21
Speaker 13: doctor and he's going to bring in abortion, euthanasia, women priests.
30:25
Speaker 13: He's done none of those things, so he's been prepared
30:29
Speaker 13: to talk about them, so not do them. I think
30:31
Speaker 13: what usually happens with the succession of a pope is
30:35
Speaker 13: you get someone a bit like the predecessor, but dialed
30:38
Speaker 13: back thirty percent. Now that happens, I think you will
30:42
Speaker 13: get a more conservative pope, but you're not going to
30:45
Speaker 13: get if you like a reactionary pope.
30:50
Speaker 2: Well, Greg, you mentioned that the church numbers were increasing,
30:55
Speaker 2: and that has been largely in Africa and South America
31:00
Speaker 2: as well. In Europe, the church has been in all
31:03
Speaker 2: sorts of trouble. Does that mean that the church could
31:08
Speaker 2: actually see the first black pope?
31:12
Speaker 13: Look, it all depends on who you've got available as
31:14
Speaker 13: a black pope. I mean, you would know the old saying,
31:17
Speaker 13: he who enters the conclave as pope leaves as a cardinal.
31:22
Speaker 13: So it's a question of who's there.
31:23
Speaker 2: I mean.
31:23
Speaker 13: One of the things that really has happened over the
31:26
Speaker 13: past few years is, if you were rude about it,
31:29
Speaker 13: the pope has been stacking. If you were kind about it,
31:32
Speaker 13: the Pope has been concentrating the college of cardinals so great.
31:37
Speaker 13: Many of them are his appointments. And the other thing
31:40
Speaker 13: is a lot of them have never met each other.
31:43
Speaker 13: There's a cardinal in New Guinea there's a cardinal in
31:45
Speaker 13: New Zealand. There's a cardinal almost everywhere except for Australia,
31:51
Speaker 13: so it's going there is very very unpredicted. There is one,
31:55
Speaker 13: but he's in the Ukrainian.
31:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, let's fake.
31:59
Speaker 13: He actually a Ukrainian cardinal and no doubt will end
32:03
Speaker 13: up there. So we're one of the few bits of
32:06
Speaker 13: the Anglo sphere who doesn't have one. But the point
32:10
Speaker 13: does remain. It's not going to be like the good
32:11
Speaker 13: old days. We're all the Italians knew all the Italians
32:14
Speaker 13: and all the Anglophones knew all the angler phones. This
32:17
Speaker 13: is going to be a Melbourne Cup field and I
32:19
Speaker 13: think about as predictable as a Melbourne Cup. So yes,
32:22
Speaker 13: there could be a black pope, but there could be
32:24
Speaker 13: almost anything. There just won't be as sexually ambiguous pope
32:28
Speaker 13: as we had in the conclud.
32:31
Speaker 2: You just did a spoiler. You just did a spoiler,
32:34
Speaker 2: Greg Craven, I need shame on you, transgender, Well I
32:39
Speaker 2: really spoil it. Oh my goodness, sorry folks. Greg always
32:43
Speaker 2: gives the plot away at the Greg Craven, what a
32:46
Speaker 2: pleasure to.
32:47
Speaker 14: Have you on.
32:47
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. After the break a victory in
32:52
Speaker 2: our campaign to end religious bands ooriginal bands on climbing
32:56
Speaker 2: some of our most beautiful mountains. Now some very good
33:02
Speaker 2: news about an issue that we've covered a lot on
33:04
Speaker 2: this show by interviewing Mark Hendrix. Well, he's been campaigning
33:09
Speaker 2: for years against the bands that have been put on
33:12
Speaker 2: climbing mountains almost everywhere, more and more bands since Aboriginal
33:16
Speaker 2: groups and park officials banned climbing on Uleru, for instance,
33:19
Speaker 2: Since then many other bands including climbing Mount Warning and
33:24
Speaker 2: New South Wales, Mount of Rapids and parts of the
33:26
Speaker 2: Grampians of Victoria and so on. Mark then put in
33:29
Speaker 2: a freedom of information request our government plans to Queen
33:33
Speaker 2: Queensland's Mount Berwa, only to find that bureaucrats were even
33:37
Speaker 2: discussing banning that as well, again for Aborginal cultural reasons.
33:42
Speaker 2: That sure got the attention of Queensland's new Environment Minister.
33:47
Speaker 11: I want to respond to some remarks I've seen in
33:50
Speaker 11: media today that the previous government may have been considering
33:54
Speaker 11: permanent closures of Mount Biwa or other peaks within the
33:58
Speaker 11: Glasshouse Mountains. As the relevant minister, let me categorically rule
34:02
Speaker 11: that out. That will not be happening.
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Speaker 2: Well, good on you, mister Powell. In fact, Mark Hendrix
34:08
Speaker 2: other crews say the right to climb Mount Warning in
34:11
Speaker 2: New South Wales has also now got some political backing
34:16
Speaker 2: the Federal Oppositions Tourism spokesman Andrew Hogan Kevin Hogan, sorry yesterday,
34:23
Speaker 2: backed by a traditional earner. This is harmed businesses.
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Speaker 15: We don't have the tourism icon that this was now
34:30
Speaker 15: available for people to experience and to enjoy. Over one
34:34
Speaker 15: hundred thousand people used to climb this mountain every year
34:38
Speaker 15: and this was a multimillion dollar stimulus for our local economies.
34:42
Speaker 14: And I'd like to see the gate open for a
34:45
Speaker 14: summit so people can walk up there to see the
34:48
Speaker 14: summit and to see and the witness creation of the
34:52
Speaker 14: late Mount Warning.
34:54
Speaker 2: Kevin Hogan. Mark Hendrix from Save our Summits is also
35:02
Speaker 2: a geologist. The joins me now, Marc Hendrick's congratulations. You've
35:08
Speaker 2: got to win on Mount Beula and at least they
35:11
Speaker 2: fight on Mount Warning. Why is claiming Mount Warning band?
35:18
Speaker 16: Mount Morning has been banned and it's coming up to
35:20
Speaker 16: the five year anniversary of that band.
35:22
Speaker 1: Andrew in this was called a temporary ban.
35:24
Speaker 16: You know, we're half a decade into this thing, it's
35:27
Speaker 16: been banned because of cultural safety. So apparently if non
35:30
Speaker 16: Indigenous people go to the summit, though, they might get sick.
35:33
Speaker 16: That seems to be the rationale coming from the National
35:36
Speaker 16: Parks and Wildlife Service in New South Wales.
35:38
Speaker 1: So it's completely ridiculous as sure is.
35:41
Speaker 2: That we're forced to obey religious bands that I don't
35:45
Speaker 2: even think many Aboriginies seriously believe anymore either. There will
35:49
Speaker 2: be some, of course, but you've already talked to a
35:52
Speaker 2: couple of traditional owners around there that I don't believe it.
35:55
Speaker 2: So the whole thing is really quite weird. Why should
35:58
Speaker 2: climbing be allowed?
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Speaker 16: Climbing and adventure activities in our national parks form really
36:06
Speaker 16: the bedrock of the reason that those national parks exist
36:10
Speaker 16: with with Without that Australia would would we wouldn't have
36:14
Speaker 16: the tourism industry we have. For instance, you know, the
36:17
Speaker 16: Great Barrier Reef National Park, despite all the claims coming
36:20
Speaker 16: out of Canberra that the brief is dying, still attracts
36:23
Speaker 16: you know, hundreds of thousands of visitors each year. In
36:26
Speaker 16: terms of the mountains, there's there's nothing better than spending
36:30
Speaker 16: the day walking up to the summit, challenging yourself within
36:35
Speaker 16: company with friends, or just doing its solo, family, bringing
36:38
Speaker 16: your kids up there and really enjoying and appreciating the
36:41
Speaker 16: natural wonders that that they provide. It's it's it's something
36:46
Speaker 16: that is a foundation stone really of Australian culture. You know,
36:50
Speaker 16: we will look back in time, back to the expiration
36:53
Speaker 16: of the country. It's it's something that that that that
36:56
Speaker 16: we've been doing for generations and the idea that it
36:59
Speaker 16: should be banned is simply an attack on Australian cultural heritage.
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Speaker 2: What about the argument by activists that climbing these mountains
37:10
Speaker 2: is the sacred according to some is like climbing a
37:14
Speaker 2: church and should be banned.
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Speaker 16: I've got a wonderful multicultural society in Australia and there
37:21
Speaker 16: are all sorts of weed and wonderful beliefs out there.
37:24
Speaker 16: I don't think there's any other group in the country
37:26
Speaker 16: that is really forcing their beliefs on other groups. So look,
37:31
Speaker 16: if you're a member of an Averaginal community and you
37:33
Speaker 16: believe that it's culturally unsafe to climb, I think that's
37:37
Speaker 16: fair enough. But the idea that you're forcing those beliefs
37:40
Speaker 16: on the rest of the country is simply wrong and
37:43
Speaker 16: something that we need to fight against.
37:47
Speaker 2: Now, notice the way that the ABC has reported the
37:51
Speaker 2: Federal opposition and a local traditional owner, I should add
37:55
Speaker 2: both wanting an end to the ban on climbing mount
37:59
Speaker 2: warning the Federal National Party is lobbying to reopen as
38:05
Speaker 2: sacred Indigenous site in northern New South Wales where a
38:09
Speaker 2: suspected white supremacist rally took place last year. So mac Hendricks,
38:16
Speaker 2: only white supremacists want that ban ended or are they
38:20
Speaker 2: saying if a white supremacist is for it, then nobody
38:23
Speaker 2: else must be either, even for perfectly good reason. What
38:26
Speaker 2: a discussing way for the ABC to plame that story.
38:30
Speaker 16: What a ridiculous juvenile headline that they've come up with,
38:32
Speaker 16: and to link this event that was organized by Kimberly Hone,
38:36
Speaker 16: the candidate for that part of New South Wales, with
38:40
Speaker 16: a neo Nazi rally that was held way back last
38:42
Speaker 16: year is just over the top. You know, they're really
38:45
Speaker 16: stretching the limit of my patients and the patients of
38:48
Speaker 16: Australians when they dig into these things and can create
38:51
Speaker 16: this sort of sensationalism. So Kimberly has been pushing and
38:54
Speaker 16: fighting really hard to reopen Mount Warning with the rest
38:58
Speaker 16: of us up there, and for the ABC to come
39:00
Speaker 16: up with this dirge is just completely ridiculous. And mind you, Andrew, look,
39:04
Speaker 16: the other side of the argument coming from National Parks
39:07
Speaker 16: is that they want Mount Warning for the black man only.
39:10
Speaker 1: So it's an.
39:11
Speaker 16: Equally racist proposition to me and should be damned with
39:16
Speaker 16: the same amount of condemnation that the ABC condemned the
39:20
Speaker 16: neo Nazis up there.
39:23
Speaker 2: Well, Mark, I've got to say that your Crusaders should
39:25
Speaker 2: be an inspiration a lot of people. I think I've
39:29
Speaker 2: talked to you very early on in your Crusader and
39:31
Speaker 2: not Love the claiming of the rule was banned, and
39:35
Speaker 2: I just think it's amazing for one guy to make
39:38
Speaker 2: a stand and for that to have this ripple effect
39:41
Speaker 2: more people coming to your support and now the bands
39:44
Speaker 2: are hopefully being overturned or thwarted. Thank you so much, indeed,
39:48
Speaker 2: for your time.
39:48
Speaker 16: Can I just add to Andrew just some thanks to
39:52
Speaker 16: Andrew Powell, the Minister from Environment of Queensland who had
39:57
Speaker 16: basically saved Mount Beawa and other parks in Queensland for
40:01
Speaker 16: the time being.
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Speaker 1: So thank you Andrew. For actually finding some common sense
40:05
Speaker 1: and all this.
40:06
Speaker 2: They well said, thank you, Mark Hendricks. After the break
40:11
Speaker 2: the high school students chanting Ali Akbar after their Muslim
40:15
Speaker 2: teacher was suspended. I want to show you a frightening
40:26
Speaker 2: scene today, the new Australia brought to you by mass immigration,
40:30
Speaker 2: by multiculturalism and by the teaching of hatred of Australia.
40:36
Speaker 2: Sheikh Weslam Chaikawi is the convenior of the Muslim Vote.
40:39
Speaker 2: That's a group that's now trying to get more Muslims
40:42
Speaker 2: elected in this election. For thirteen years, has also worked
40:46
Speaker 2: as a support officer for students at the Granville Boys
40:49
Speaker 2: High School, which is a state school in Sydney's Western suburbs,
40:53
Speaker 2: and he has now been told to stay away work
40:56
Speaker 2: from home after defending the two nurses sacked after alliginally
41:00
Speaker 2: saying that killer Israeli patients. But here is how some
41:03
Speaker 2: boys at the school reacted today by chanting the Islamic
41:07
Speaker 2: cry alou Akba. That's an Australian high school. In twenty
41:20
Speaker 2: twenty five, joining me a Daniel Wild, Deputy Executive Director
41:23
Speaker 2: of the Institute of Public Affairs, and Louise Roberts, SCA
41:26
Speaker 2: News contributed Daniel, that is a rather big and worrying
41:31
Speaker 2: cohort of students at a state school.
41:36
Speaker 17: Well this is absolutely outrageous, Andrew. This should not be
41:40
Speaker 17: happening in our country. You said this is the new
41:43
Speaker 17: Australia in twenty twenty five. Well, it's not my Australia.
41:47
Speaker 17: It's not the Australia I grew up in. It's not
41:49
Speaker 17: the Australia I want my children growing up in. And
41:51
Speaker 17: our country is becoming increasingly unrecognizable. Day after day, week
41:55
Speaker 17: after week, we are seeing scenes like this across our country.
42:00
Speaker 17: I don't blame the children, because their children, they're being
42:03
Speaker 17: influenced by their parents, by teachers, by others in their
42:08
Speaker 17: community who think this behavior is okay.
42:10
Speaker 1: I saw there.
42:11
Speaker 17: I think a Lebanese flag, a Palestinian flag, and I
42:13
Speaker 17: think an Aboriginal flag just for good measure. I'm not
42:16
Speaker 17: sure how that all is cobbled together, but it shows, Andrew,
42:19
Speaker 17: the point that you've been making for many years, which
42:22
Speaker 17: is the Balkanization of our society brought upon by the
42:26
Speaker 17: ideology of multiculturalism and mass migration. The huge numbers that
42:30
Speaker 17: are coming in without a common culture or a majority
42:34
Speaker 17: set of values within which migrants are encouraged to assimilate within.
42:40
Speaker 17: And these are the consequences that we're seeing, as I say,
42:42
Speaker 17: on an almost daily basis.
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Speaker 1: Now, yes, the.
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Speaker 2: Center cannot hold Luise. What does that tell you about
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Speaker 2: our immigration and settlement programs that you get that kind
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Speaker 2: of concentration in a school. I would have thought of
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Speaker 2: it rather tricky for non Muslim students there.
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Speaker 18: Well, absolutely, and look at that sort of policy. That
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Speaker 18: immigration policy, as you've said on many occasions, Andrew, is
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Speaker 18: shaping us in ways we cannot ignore anymore. The mere
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Speaker 18: fact that this man works for New South Wales Department
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Speaker 18: of Education. He wasn't fired for putting this content on
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Speaker 18: social media. He was merely told to stay away and
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Speaker 18: work from home, which some people might argue is actually
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Speaker 18: a bit of a reward for spewing Hayden, for spewing
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Speaker 18: division is in a school environment where he should be
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Speaker 18: fostering cohesion, as we've said, not actually using it as
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Speaker 18: a political platform for his own beliefs. It's absolutely disgusting.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if he was teaching this to
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Speaker 2: the students, but I don't want someone who thinks, you know,
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Speaker 2: speaks up publicly in defense of those nurses. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if I want them in a mentoring position at
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Speaker 2: a school, state school. Another example, Daniel, of how blind
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Speaker 2: our governments are, how naive, how trusting. I don't know
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Speaker 2: what it is. Cherry Marks and Larsan had a great
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Speaker 2: story about Australians flying to Lebanon for the funeral of
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Speaker 2: the leader of the terrorist group hez Bola, including a
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Speaker 2: Sydney based religious leader, Ahbid al Mhdjid Murtada issues.
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Speaker 19: Sydney based religious leader Ahbed Almajed Murtada's pictured at Nasula's funeral.
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Speaker 19: He's on the left in a photograph he posted to
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Speaker 19: his own social media account just a day ago. Now
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Speaker 19: we put questions to Ahbed and he told us, yes,
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Speaker 19: I'm a proud Australian citizen. I flew to Lebanon to
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Speaker 19: pay my respects to our beloved and esteemed clergy.
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Speaker 2: Now let me tell you something else about this Mutada guy, Daniel.
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Speaker 2: He's one of four staff and volunteers of Sydney so
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Speaker 2: called Mirage Scouts Academy, not the real Scouts, but they
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Speaker 2: call it that it's for Muslim boys. One of the
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Speaker 2: four who openly mourned the death of this has Bilateru's
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Speaker 2: lead and now incredibly that academy is overseen by the
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Speaker 2: Alsadec Arabic Association, which got thirty three thousand dollars from
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Speaker 2: the Albanezi government for the same scout program and lessons
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Speaker 2: in Arabic to help students in New South Wales read
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Speaker 2: the Quran plus other activities. How crazy are we or
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Speaker 2: the government?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well very crazy?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 1: Is it naive?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 17: Maybe it's cynical, maybe they don't know what they're doing.
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Speaker 17: But this is, like I say, this is where multiculturalism
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Speaker 17: leads you because you're not able to delineate between different
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Speaker 17: groups of people, so you fund them to do this
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Speaker 17: kind of activity.
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Speaker 1: It's a government funded division. And we've got a real problem.
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Speaker 17: We've got a real deep problem in our country, which
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Speaker 17: is we're going to have to have a conversation about
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Speaker 17: values and the role of values within our migration system.
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Speaker 17: We've had a very good debate about the size of
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Speaker 17: the program and the fact that the matter this migration
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Speaker 17: program is making Australians poorer, as evidenced by seven consecutive
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Speaker 17: quarters of negative growth, which is worse than what happened
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Speaker 17: under GoF Whitlam. But we have to have the conversation
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Speaker 17: about the values because clearly the values tests, the questions
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Speaker 17: that are asked of new migrants coming to our nation
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Speaker 17: is not worth the paper that is written on the
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Speaker 17: vast majority of people that come here want to do
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Speaker 17: the right thing, and many of them do. But it
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Speaker 17: does appear to be the case that there's a significant
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Speaker 17: and growing minority of new migrants that have no intention
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Speaker 17: whatsoever of integrating into majority Australian culture.
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Speaker 1: And that is a really significant issue.
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Speaker 2: Well also the children if they form a majority at
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Speaker 2: a state school. I don't know if it is a majority,
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Speaker 2: but it's significant minority at least, Why would you integrate?
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Speaker 2: You don't need to, You've got your community right there.
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Speaker 2: But Luise, see, this is the thing I think about
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Speaker 2: multiculturalism as the government policy. I've opposed it from the start,
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Speaker 2: even though I've got my Dutch clogs for the garden
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Speaker 2: outside all that kind of stuff. The point is we
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Speaker 2: normally would cling on to some of our culture. It's
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Speaker 2: not the government's role to encourage it and to fund that,
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Speaker 2: especially with I think certain cultures. It is a government's
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Speaker 2: role sold you to find what unites us and focused
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Speaker 2: on that instead. What do you make of it?
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Speaker 1: I agree?
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Speaker 18: And so why is tax payer money being paid towards
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Speaker 18: an organization which is doing the exact opposite as you say,
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Speaker 18: they're undermining our values? And if anything, I see this
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Speaker 18: thirty grand as some sort of proof that we're paying
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Speaker 18: people to hate us and to sort of put a
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Speaker 18: different message which is nothing like the sort of Australia
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Speaker 18: we want for our children, and certainly in a Scouts
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Speaker 18: group which may not be a Scouts group in the
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Speaker 18: more traditional sense, but it's still an environment where impressionable
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Speaker 18: young children are being tutored about life. And if they're
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Speaker 18: not being cheted about the correct things, and our taxpayer
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Speaker 18: money is going towards that, and there's very little oversight
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Speaker 18: or sort of control from anyone on it, then it's
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Speaker 18: a real concern.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know a sty would be handing a
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Speaker 2: group to teach students Arabic to read the Qoran. I mean,
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Speaker 2: let them do it on their own time, that it's
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Speaker 2: not in Australia's wider interests. Teach them English, even better
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Speaker 2: English to read. I don't know, even may I dare
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Speaker 2: say the Bible is a foundation text for Western civilization.
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Speaker 2: I say that not being a Christian. Daniel Wilde, Louise Roberts,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much both for your time. The times
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Speaker 2: you are seriously crazy, aren't they. And I don't think
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Speaker 2: this government is up to understanding the challenges. One hopes
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Speaker 2: that the conservatives of the liberals would be, but who knows.
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Speaker 2: That's it for me, Sherry Marks, and now good night.