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BONUS: The Podcast About Podcasts – Featuring Sprint Culture/Unconventional Voices of T&F · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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It's bonus time. Here we go.
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This month in February of 2025, we are doing a podcast about
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podcast. We want to introduce you to
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other track and field themed podcasts that are out there that
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might be great for your listening pleasure.
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So all month we're introducing a new podcast each and every day,
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showing you who they are, what they are, how they are, why they
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got started and even their favorite episodes and most
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popular. And hopefully this adds to your
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podcast listening library. So here we go.
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Let's get started with today's podcast about podcast.
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OK? Why don't we start with kind of
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a 30,000 foot level 30 second version.
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Introduce yourself 1st and what your relationship is to our
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great sport, and then tell us what we've actually got it.
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This is kind of cool. We're doing a double feature
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today. You're an overachiever.
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You've got 2 podcasts. So tell us the name of both
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those podcasts and then we'll get into it.
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All right, so the two podcasts that I got 1 is called
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Unconventional Voice of Track and field, who I do with my now
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wife, Jay Johnson. We're both former Olympians, I
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should say former Olympians. We're both Olympians.
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I'm a former sprinter. She's a former long jumper.
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And that podcast was basically, you know, we we wanted to just
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be a bit more edgy and to talk about some things that may may
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not be the typical conversations.
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And I know everyone says that, but we were really hitting home
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on some themes that were seen as untouchable and they were
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important. And we kind of dived into stuff
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like that. And other podcasts I have came
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just after that. It's called Sprint Culture and
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it originated with my guest host being Justin Gatlin.
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But over time I started doing it with Nathaniel Mitchell, Blake
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sprinter from the UK and and also Aaron Brown, another
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Canadian sprinter that he's still competing.
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He's still competing now. So I think it was a cool dynamic
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to have, you know, Justin and it was a vet's been through a lot
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obviously. And then Nathaniel and and and
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Aaron are still competing. So they still have their foot in
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the water and not even the foot they're in there.
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So it was a cool dynamic for us to kind of bounce off with
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different debates and stuff. And that's strictly in sprints.
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Because I feel like, I mean, the long distance community has a
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really strong culture. They're they're it's they
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survive very well within their own community.
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And I feel like the sprints are only very prominent once the
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Olympics come around, maybe during the World Championships,
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but then there's no actual culture outside of that.
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So it's there. But I was just trying to bring
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it out in podcast form and all the dialogue and the
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conversations and the debates and yeah, that's, that's where
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that podcast came from. So a nice 1-2 punch that I feel
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good about. And yeah man, I I love talking
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track and field. I love that.
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So with the two podcasts, by the way, I don't know that I knew
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you and her were like we just talked about before we hit
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record about you having a new child and I was like, oh, his Co
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host. She just had a child.
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I'm you know, I'm not that bright here.
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Anson, bring it together. You're married.
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Congratulations man, that's a big deal for you guys.
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It's funny you say that because I saw that as a compliment.
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She saw it as, you know, something to be concerned about
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because I was always saying, you know, everyone knows we're
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together. Obviously.
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Look how we talk to each other. And she was, she used to always
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say, no, they have no idea. You never say anything about us.
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And I'm like, people know, come on.
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And we were, I was on a call with, with Trayvon Brammel,
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American Sprinter, and he was on speaker and she just happened to
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be in the room and she asked him and she, she, she said, she said
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straight, she was like, did you even know that me and Anson were
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together? And she was like, oh, that's
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Jade. He's like, that's Jade.
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So, so, so, so that she was like, see, and I, I, I, I
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thought it was cool because we actually, you know, we don't
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come across. It's it's it's very
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professional, the way we communicate on the show, which
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is good. And she likes that aspect of it
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too. It's just that she I always
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thought that people just knew that we were together.
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But it is a cool aspect of that show that we are able to
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maintain dialogue that doesn't necessarily seem to lovey dovey
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and cuffly. You know, at the end, at the end
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of the day, we're talking track field.
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We're trying to be objective about things and we really want
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people to, you know, we want credible credibility to what
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we're saying and stay focused on what's important.
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What a what a great lesson of marriage.
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The husband is wrong and the wife is always right.
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So that that makes a lot of sense.
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Well, let's dive into these two different podcasts here.
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So the unconventional track and field podcast and Sprint
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culture. First of all, let's start with
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what is the significance of the name?
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You kind of give us a little bit of background there and and,
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and, and help us keep the two separate.
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So for the unconventional, the name is because of blah blah
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blah, spring culture blah blah blah.
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Right, So unconventional voices of track and field kind of
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touches back on what I was talking about earlier.
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The, the dialogue, the the themes, the topics, the
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directions of the conversations go and even the way it's
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produced. It's not it's not traditional by
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any means. We actually our theme song in
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the intro is was produced by Usain Bolt.
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It's it's the clockwork rhythm. It's it's called the clockwork
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rhythm RIDTIM. So rhythm, but it's Jamaica, you
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know, so they're rhythm. So we actually got clearance
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from him to use that beat in the beginning of the show.
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And, you know, it was, it's, it was a testament to us kind of,
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you know, bring in something not typical, especially, you know,
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we really wanted to, we wanted to bring light to not only
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current themes, but current and past people, you know, and the
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fact that Usain Bolt was, you know, was a theme song.
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We had it cleared and all that was a lot of people don't even
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know that, but it was, you know, it was, it's, it's not.
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It was just to highlight the fact that this is not your
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typical. And when people listen, they
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realize that very quickly. Yeah.
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And what about Sprint culture? Sprint culture kind of came up.
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I actually have a clip of it that I'm going to put out
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eventually about how we came up with the name.
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But it was I was on a live on Instagram with Justin Gatlin and
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Will Collins, the Fast University and Adam Bolden
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actually was on as well. And I just said we were on a
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live couple a few days before that and we were I was talking
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about how the sprints don't actually have a culture and how
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it's it's kind of just basically what I said to you a little
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while ago. I was just not weak.
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It's kind of weak and weak, but not weak.
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And I was I was on the show and I was like, I was like, you know
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what, I should just call this show spree culture.
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It makes total sense. It's just would be just
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basically what it is, what we're trying to bring out.
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So yeah, that's makes sense to be.
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Yeah. So that's how that's how that's
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how that hit home. And it it really clicked.
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It really clicked. Yeah, I love that.
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What tell us what kind of style we could expect from listening
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is is unconventional. I'm gonna say just you and her
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as ever guest and then Sprint culture.
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Sounds like you maybe have gone through a few different Co hosts
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with that one. Yeah, unconventional is myself
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and Jade, we, we did some we did some response videos after some
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diamond leaks in in 2021. But we're usually it's usually
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just the two of us when we're just talking.
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I, I will say that she, she is, she's more so highlighted in
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unconventional because Jade is, she's, she's very opinionated.
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She's very fierce. And I, I like to allow her to
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get a lot of what she has to say out because she, she gives a
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perspective of a field athlete, which usually isn't captured
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often. A lot of field athletes don't
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really do content. It's really, it's very, it's
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very track based a lot of the time.
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I talk a lot of sprints. So, I mean, people get tired
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hear me talking about sprints all the time.
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But but she comes in, she's, she's, she's not scared to,
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she's not afraid to talk about anything.
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And you know, I kind of lead her in a lot of the dialogue.
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I say a lot too. So don't get me wrong, but it's,
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it's, it's a lot of her perspective And I think being a
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field athlete and being a woman as well and you know, the, the
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UK athlete doesn't, I mean, the UK accent doesn't hurt.
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You know, we kind of we kind of gear a lot around some of what
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she's saying. I kind of lead her.
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She's she's a lot more edgier than me in that show Sprint
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culture. I, I come out with the hood on
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you see me without the hood today and it's like an alter ego
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and it's just this guy's talking sprints.
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And it's just, it's, you don't know what may come up.
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You know, it's a little bit more I say, I say unconventional is a
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lot more polished, so to speak. And spring culture is a little
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bit more raw. Like I produce shows off of
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some, some, some of them are just on Instagram live.
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A lot of them are in studio, but you know, it's just Instagram
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live. You never know who's going to
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show up. You know, Fred Curly might jump
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in one day. Devin Allen may jump in one day
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like I said adult comes on like people a lot of people were were
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hearing about what was going on and if they weren't if they
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didn't come actually on they're in the chat talking.
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You know what I'm saying we'll get Trayvon Burmell who'll come
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on and he'll be in the chat. No one's been in the chat for
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bullets in the chat sometimes like it's every anybody who's
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anybody who's been in the chat during Instagram lives with
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Sprint culture would come on for his for first Sprint culture
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live. But you know, we we it's kind of
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leading the direction more of a show now.
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So I started getting more in the in the studio for season 2 and
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in this upcoming season 3, we got a new look in a different
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studio and it's going to be it's going to be a lot more of a
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produced show in this upcoming season.
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So I'm I'm excited about that. But yeah, it both shows have
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have very, very distinct feels and they're they're very clear
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cut. They're very, very different.
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They're very different. But you know, they're both,
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they're both great shows. Yeah, I, I love kind of
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visualizing this difference as you're explaining them because
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you could think that it's like, well, isn't this really just one
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show? What are you doing?
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But I can hear very distinct flavor culture.
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Your word comes up a lot there, a show versus, you know, reviews
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of Diamond Leagues and things like that.
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I could see where you're very distinct in these two different
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podcasts. Yeah, 100%.
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I would say, I'd think, I'd think Spring Culture is more of
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a show per SE and an unconventional voice of the
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track field. Is, is more of a podcast.
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You know, it's, it's, it's, it's structured very well and it's
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very, it's very precise in how it moves.
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So a lot of people like podcasts like that.
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Spring Culture is, yeah, it's produced, but you just, you
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never know where the conversation is going to go.
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And that's really Sprint talk. Really it's, you know, it's
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almost like the barbershop where it just, you know, the cookouts,
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barbecues, family gatherings, It's, it's kind of, it's kind of
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like that. And it's that's, that's the feel
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of that. When you talked earlier about,
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you know, distance culture versus Sprint culture and it's
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like, you know, there's really not a culture for Sprint and
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you're like, but then you kind of change the back.
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You're like, no, there is. And I kind of was thinking about
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verbalizing that is like, you know, Sprint culture is strong,
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but it's undefined. And that's kind of sounding what
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the Sprint culture podcast is like.
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It's strong. We know what we're talking
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about, but we're we're Barber. I love the, the the
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visualization of that barbershop talk of like, you don't know
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what we're talking. We don't necessarily have here
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the 10 topics. We want to make sure we get
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where you might have that unconventional voices of like,
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Hey, let's make sure we talk about Diamond League and this
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signing and what, you know, we got more of a structure.
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There's less structure, so less definition, but the culture
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seems very strong in Sprint's culture.
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You'll feel it. You'll definitely feel it once
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you're in it. And I think once you see it and
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feel it, then we're we're defining it for you.
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And a lot of people that come in, they know right away that
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this is they can feel it, you know, they can feel it.
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And, and a lot of the sprinters, you know, depending on how
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they're running, may or may not like the show because we're when
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I was, each host brings something different.
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When I was doing with Justin, he gave a lot of good insight
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because of his experience and his ups and downs and all that
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stuff. But he was a little bit more PC
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and you can see it. And really in those early
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stages, I was kind of, I was kind of showing him the ropes as
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far as being on air. Now you can see on his podcast,
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he's, he's come a long way. In the early stages, I was kind
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of, you know, he was kind of learning through me, being on
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with me because I, I don't know if, you know, I have a
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broadcasting background. I used to work at CBC for about
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10 years, Canada's, Canada's NBC, you know, so, so he was
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learning a lot through me and being on with me and, and, and,
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and he's come a long way. He's doing, he's doing fantastic
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right now. So he was a bit more PC.
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When I'm talking to to Nathaniel or or Aaron, they're actually
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pretty good at saying, you know, saying some things that may not
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be so easy to say when you're current athlete because they
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still got to crash past with a lot of these people.
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But they're still not able to go where I go.
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A lot of times where if I had, if I see something that wasn't
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good, I'll say it. If there's something was funny,
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I'll say it. If something, you know, someone
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sucked, I wouldn't I won't say they sucked, but because I'm I'm
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so respectful, but someone didn't have a bad, if someone
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didn't have a good performance, I'll point it out.
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If I don't think someone's going to compete well, I'll say
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straight that I don't think they're going to compete.
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Well, I don't, I don't really. I'm, I'm not too concerned too
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much with getting too wrapped up in the sprinter's feelings
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because the reality is, no matter what, a sprinter will can
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like you one day and I'll let you the next day.
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It's because of one little thing you say.
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But we want to be as objective as possible and give a, a good
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understanding to people what's going on, or at least a distinct
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perspective of what we believe is going on.
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So I'm the edgier one on spring culture no matter who comes on
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most of the time. But, and I, I had Adam Bowden on
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my show a couple of times and he was as a, as a, as a guest host,
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he was, it was great having Adam on.
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We have a great dynamic, better than he wants to admit.
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Because I can kind of, I do kind of get on his nerves.
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He's probably going to say that, but we're meant to, we're meant
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to do a show together, man, Adam, we're meant to do a show
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together. But but yeah, we've we've had
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some good times. Awesome, I love that now knowing
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that there's Min and Max to these things, what would you say
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is the average length of each one of the episodes for the two
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podcasts? Unconventional would average
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about an hour consistently. Sprint culture varies.
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You get you get an episode that may maybe close to an hour.
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You can get an episode to be about 15 minutes.
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So those would vary. It would be some some quick hit
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episodes. So those vary a bit more, but
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unconventional was was a bit more clear cut unless we had
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some, we had some bonus episodes here and there where those are,
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those are pretty short. But across the board, those are
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usually, you know, close to an hour, 45 minutes to an hour,
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yeah. That kind of, you know, pun
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intended tracks along, right. Unconventional is a little bit
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more structured. So we're going to be about an
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hour on most of ours and there's a little bit more free form.
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It could be 15 for cult spring culture, it could be two hours,
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who knows? Yeah, I like that.
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That track's long there, so. Not 2 hours, though two hours is
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the the lives made like our lives on this.
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But if I if I put them out there, the lives we don't even
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keep up. I don't even keep the lives up
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because a lot of times that's my, that's my protection for the
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sprinters. I won't just leave the lives
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because sometimes they'll say some stuff that they probably
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don't want to be out there, so I won't.
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So I'll cut it down to about an hour or less.
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You mentioned you have a background in this, which makes
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a lot of sense. Now, hearing the voice and the
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setup, this makes sense. You have background in
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broadcasting, but why? First of all, when did you
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start? How long have these two podcasts
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been going? And then why?
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What was the motivation? There's a lot of other things
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you were doing and could be doing.
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Why start a podcast? And not only one you thought you
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know to be an overachiever, you'd knock out two of them.
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Unconventional started, it was just after COVID actually.
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And me and my wife always had really good track and field
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conversations. And she's she's very good on
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camera. She's a very, she's a very good
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speaker. She had, she had done some work,
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some, some some play by play color commentary back in the
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day. That's actually how we met.
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We met at the World Indoor Championships.
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I was there with CBC and she was there with, I believe it wasn't,
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she wasn't there with BBC. She was, she was there with, she
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might have been there with World Athletics, I can't remember.
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But she was there for, for, for a color commentary, color
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commentary gig. And that's how we've kind of
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reconnected. And then one thing led to
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another and you know, here we are.
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So we have great track and field conversation.
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She's very, very, very opinionated, very, very, very
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opinionated. And, and she is a stance.
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And then she's she she can, she's very eloquent.
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She can express herself very well.
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And you know, some of the conversations were funny and
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some of the conversations we have some back and forths.
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But unconventional isn't it's not a debate show.
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Unconventional is more us talking stuff through spring
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culture is a debate show that ends up being a lot of debates.
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You know, it's funny, as I'm speaking about it, I know the
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the differences. But as I'm speaking about it,
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I'm actually even making it more clear for myself as far as the
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differences between the shows. But yeah, so we used to have a
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lot of conversations during, you know, before.
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And one day she was just like, it was actually just after we
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had an argument, oddly enough, and we weren't even talking.
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And she just wandered into the living room one day.
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It was like, we should make a podcast.
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I was like, what? She was like, yeah, we should
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make a podcast. And she left the room.
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I don't know. When we spoke again, it wasn't
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right away, but she said it. And then I thought about it.
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I was like, we got a lot of time on our hands right now.
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So, and that's how it started, man.
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And, and, and did as as it went on the, the production level
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raised. But from the beginning, it was
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good. It was good.
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I, I, I was in, I gotta be honest, unconventional.
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Unconventional is a very good podcast.
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It's a very good podcast. I just happened to be listening
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to a lot of them recently because when I knew I was gonna
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talk to you, I wanted to, cuz we took a little break.
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Obviously she had, we just had a baby.
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I don't know if people know that, but we just had a baby and
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there was a lot of stuff going on to where we had to kind of
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drift away from the podcast. I'm actually, I was doing Spring
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Culture and I'm trying to get a track and field network off of
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the ground called the Track and Field Network.
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You see the logo right here. So we could actually do some
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talking about that later because I like what you do and we can
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have. Work together in the future but
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yeah, it was we kind of drifted away from unconventional.
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But now things are starting to settle down things are getting
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bigger I'm kind of getting tracking on that work in a good
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place spring culture. I got the rolling, I got staff,
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so I'm ready to get back into unconventional, but
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unconventional was a very, it's a very, very good podcast.
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And even if you watch, if you listen to it now, we, we
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basically told the future, man, we told the future everything
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that's happening right now. We discussed and what should be
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happening. And because we were ripping into
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a lot of stuff that wasn't happening that needs to happen
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in order for the sport to go the direction that it needs to go.
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I think that we're kind of doing that now, but I know that I know
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the right people were listening because I'm seeing where we, we
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laugh about it. Sometimes we're like, Yo, I know
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they heard us talking about this because it's way too clear cut
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that, that, that they were hearing this stuff.
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So that would be a cool way to, if you go back and listen to
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unconventional now, it would be, it would be cool to kind of see
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how things have developed now if with what we were articulating
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in those times. So unconventional.
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Started right as COVID was hitting, so maybe around 2020 or
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20. Late 2020-2021.
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What about 2021? Yeah, and what about Sprint
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culture and. Then Sprint culture started in
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2022 just before just after the just after the World
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Championships in Oregon. And I used to just go live
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sometimes on Instagram. And before I knew it, it was
21:31
we're getting a lot of good views and the lives.
21:34
And Justin came in on one of the lives one day and then he
21:37
contacted me and he was like, yo, man, we should, we should, I
21:40
don't know, we should, we should do this more often type of
21:42
thing. And I was, I didn't know exactly
21:47
what I wanted to do, but I just knew I liked being live.
21:49
I, I, I, I used to go live playing video games a lot on
21:52
Twitch. So I'm very comfortable alive.
21:56
There's something about being live.
21:57
I, I, I like a lot of people hate being live.
22:00
Yeah, it's it's. It's a different skill for sure.
22:03
Absolutely. It's funny, it's funny.
22:04
I only realized it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a skill when I'm on
22:07
live with people because they, I can see it's, they're a little
22:11
bit tense, but I something about it, man, I, I just, I just it,
22:15
it feels good, you know, And that's how spring culture
22:18
started. It was a live show.
22:21
So that that just LED into a show once I was going live
22:27
during 2022. And then, yeah, we just, we just
22:32
kept on doing it, man. And then now it's gotten to the
22:33
point where you know, it's it's, it's a produced show, so.
22:37
So in business, Anson, you know, like here at Gill, you know, we
22:41
manufacture track equipment. We have lots of different people
22:44
that will buy our equipment. We have moms and dads that'll
22:46
buy like a discus or something for Christmas or for their kids
22:50
for track season. We sell the athletic directors,
22:52
contractors, but our ideal customer profile, like the
22:57
person that we have in mind when we design new products, market
23:00
trade shows, etcetera, is the high school and college track
23:04
coach. That's our ideal.
23:06
Other people may benefit from it, mom and dad, architects,
23:09
etcetera, but we are singularly focused on those track coaches.
23:12
The same can be said for your podcast here.
23:15
Many different people, athletes, coaches, fans may participate
23:19
and listen to episodes, but you're really in, you know, you
23:22
got a different culture. I don't want to overuse that
23:24
word for each, the two different podcasts here, but you're really
23:27
speaking to a certain type of person.
23:30
Tell to us about your ideal listener profile.
23:32
Who are the people that are going to get the most out of
23:35
unconventional voices and the most out of Sprint culture?
23:38
They're probably different and, you know, with nuances there.
23:42
Yeah. I would say that for
23:44
unconventional, we're trying to cover the male and female crowd
23:50
for one, and for two, it's geared more towards, it's geared
23:57
more towards an an adult audience, forward thinking, big
24:01
picture people, you know, people who like to understand and
24:07
discuss themes and then how they relate to everyday life.
24:14
And also, you know, from an athletic standpoint, yeah, we,
24:19
we talk about the stats and results and stuff like that.
24:21
But we talk a lot about, we talk a lot about the life that
24:28
happens throughout the sport. You know, whether it's, you
24:35
know, the, whether it's drama, whether it's, you know,
24:39
shortcomings, whether it's, you know, some, some, some theme
24:44
that's being discussed or has, has come up is we, we, we, we,
24:48
we try to talk about the conversations underneath the
24:53
conversations. So we're not just giving news.
24:57
It's not a, it's not a, hey, you're going to get news, you
25:00
know, up to date news. Like we didn't even
25:03
unconventional, wasn't even consistently a certain time.
25:06
We, we, we would just come out when it was time to come out.
25:09
It was, it was consistent as far as the amount we were doing, but
25:11
it wasn't like, OK, every Wednesday it's going to be this.
25:14
And that was unconventional as well.
25:17
But yes, but we, we, we want, we wanted to get below the surface
25:24
as far as a lot of things. So that's, that's how that was
25:28
Sprint culture. That's, that could be geared
25:33
more towards somewhat of a younger audience, so to speak.
25:35
I'm I'm trying to geared more towards a little bit older now,
25:39
because I find that the sprints, at least from what I've seen,
25:49
they haven't really geared towards the the audience that
25:53
has, you know, that watches a lot of mainstream sports.
25:58
A lot of the mainstream sports fans are, you know, they're
26:01
middle-aged people and, you know, I don't know if it's
26:04
because I just had a kid or something, but it's, it's I I I
26:08
I Sprint culture was meant to be.
26:11
It was we're still keeping it edgy.
26:12
It's still going to be funny, but I think we're we're, we're
26:14
kind of gearing more towards now, you know, getting a bit
26:20
more into the, the, the, the, the, the culture of the athletes
26:26
of the past. So, you know, tapping into some
26:28
of the fans of former athletes as opposed to the current
26:32
athletes and who their fans are, which are young.
26:34
We're still going to get them. But I'd say that spring culture
26:39
is more likely to kind of gear towards the younger crowd more
26:43
than unconventional. But we are fearing the direction
26:47
of you know, you know, the the older audience, but still edgy,
26:52
but you know a lot more, a lot more intelligent dialogue and
26:56
discussions as far as what's going on, but you know, still
27:00
keeping the edge you. Know as you go through this
27:04
journey over years and when you do something like a podcast and
27:06
you're being recorded so it's on wack so I can go back and listen
27:08
to the very first one and the 100th one or what not.
27:11
If you're not evolving through that process, well then I just
27:16
kind of feel bad for you. So I like how you, you know,
27:19
obviously get married and having kids, those changes.
27:21
If you're not evolving, it's a little bit like, well, man, I'm
27:23
not sure this is the right. Like what am I listening to this
27:26
for if it's just the same thing over and.
27:27
Over so I. Appreciate that now you know you
27:30
have been behind the mic on every single one of these this
27:34
kind of A2 parter questions. Most of the time these are not
27:37
the exact same answer here for you.
27:40
What has been and again, two parter in regards to the two
27:43
different podcasts here. What's been your favorite
27:45
episode that you've ever recorded?
27:47
And then kind of like I said, it's not necessarily the same
27:50
answer. What's been the most popular,
27:51
most downloaded episode as well? So what's been your favorite and
27:55
maybe if it's a different one, what's maybe been the most
27:57
popular episode for each one of the shows?
28:00
For unconventional voices of track and field, my favorite
28:04
episode was an episode called Are You Not Entertained?
28:11
And even the cover art for the episode, if you go on Spotify or
28:16
on Apple podcast or any platform, you'll see it's a it's
28:20
a picture of Russell Crowe from Gladiator.
28:25
And he's like in a fighting pose.
28:27
And it's are you not, Are you not entertained?
28:31
But it, it was, we're basically going in on why the sport was so
28:37
boring, right? And you know, a lot of times you
28:42
don't want to have these conversations if you got a track
28:44
field podcast because you want to boost it up.
28:46
But this is more like, Yo, these things need to change, man.
28:49
It was more like what we're seeing here.
28:52
We have to talk about, we have to air out because this needs to
28:56
change and this we need to start doing this.
28:59
And why I like it so much. Is it it?
29:03
Like I said before, this was the one of the main episodes that I
29:07
swear this episode has been like a blueprint for a lot of what's
29:09
happening right now. From from saying that, you know,
29:14
you know, another organization is going to have to, you know,
29:18
come in to make World Athletics, kind of, you know, bring the
29:22
bootstraps up and make some changes as far as they're
29:24
they're concerned or you know, the way, the way.
29:29
I don't want to say too much, but it's it's in that episode,
29:33
episode 3. It's we, we told the future
29:36
band. Yeah, I remember that episode,
29:38
actually. Yeah, really.
29:39
Yeah. So it was it was AI would say
29:42
that was what that was my favorite for that and for for
29:45
for Sprint culture. I would say episode episode 4 I
29:55
was with I had Justin Gatlin on and I had I had a bulletin on
30:01
and it was the title of it was did Marcel Jacobs win a Rio
30:06
Olympics Right and. OK, now I see the two
30:11
differences. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:14
And this is, you know, it was such a great debate with with
30:19
Ado and Justin because they both believed that it was more
30:22
difficult. And that was kind of like with
30:24
no crowd, like, come on, it was it was we talked about a lot of
30:27
things in in that episode, you know, spoke about Cindy
30:30
McLaughlin, you know, running a 60 indoor.
30:36
I would say too much. But that was it was really it
30:37
was a really good episode. A lot of lot of debate, a lot of
30:40
laughs, a lot of it got heated. I don't, I don't.
30:43
I don't cursed Adobold. Did.
30:47
Wow. Yeah, that takes something.
30:49
Yeah, but he he, I love it. I love his personality when he
30:53
comes on my show. It's great TV.
30:55
And This is why I was joking around saying we should do a
30:58
show together. I just, I just think I I like
31:00
when he looses up a bit, you know, it's, it's, it's cool.
31:03
And so I'd say that, but there was also an episode I did, I
31:06
think it was the episode after episode 5.
31:09
And I had Devin Allen and Fred Curly on and Justin was on as
31:14
well. And it was it was saying it was
31:17
called Fred Curly's just being truthful.
31:20
And it was episode where he the European Indoor championships
31:24
just finished and Marcel Jacobs end up coming second to his
31:28
countrymen checker rally. What's his first name?
31:31
I can't remember, but Marcel came second.
31:34
And I asked, I asked Fred about it and he kind of laughed,
31:38
right. And I don't know if you
31:40
remember, there was this big thing when when Fred was like, I
31:43
basically asked him. I was like, he he was saying the
31:46
real dogs, no, people don't run indoors.
31:48
The real dogs come out outdoors. And I said, is Marcel a real
31:52
dog? He's like, I don't think so,
31:54
truthfully. And that that flew everywhere.
31:58
It's funny because yeah, and that was that went.
32:02
And I swear when I when it happened, I was like, you know,
32:04
this is going to be a thing. And it's funny.
32:06
It was that episode was it was the night well, over here, like
32:11
I said, I'm five hours ahead. So it actually I I would have
32:15
been recording the show like one in the morning.
32:16
It was actually my birthday at about 1:00 in the morning.
32:18
It wasn't my birthday there, but it was my birthday here.
32:21
And that's when the show really was like shifted like, OK, this
32:25
is a thing now. This is a thing because that was
32:28
everywhere. And it's like we really were
32:30
creating the culture of the rivalry and the way these guys
32:33
actually are wired and think and talk and how they view each
32:37
other. And so that was that was a, it
32:41
was a good episode. I mean, Devin was on there.
32:43
He said a lot of cool things. But Fred came on.
32:45
He used to always come in the lives randomly, but he used to.
32:47
He, he, he, he'll get some, He'll get some quotes out there,
32:50
man. I love it.
32:51
I love it when Devin was there too.
32:54
Hey, great guy, loved. Devin, that was cool.
32:56
Yeah. Would would you?
32:57
Consider when you think about your downloads and stuff, are
32:59
those the two maybe more popular episodes as well?
33:02
Or do you have any that like blew up for clips like that or
33:06
you know, anything like that? That that that Fred Curly
33:09
episode, that was big. That was what I wanted.
33:11
Yeah. That was really, really
33:12
downloaded a lot and people were stealing the clip from all over
33:16
the place. I don't really care at that
33:18
stage because really I'm I'm more about the sport as a whole
33:22
just getting big so that those two shows, you know, they have
33:27
two different types of perspectives.
33:28
But it's overall like that just hit home the fact that I just
33:32
want take it whatever, like I just want it to be.
33:37
So I want track and field to be viewed the way I view it, which
33:39
is with the track and field network.
33:41
But the long game as far as that's concerned is to have a
33:47
bunch of different personalities, a bunch of
33:48
different types of shows in one place.
33:51
The track and field network is pretty cut and dry, right?
33:54
And the these are two types of shows that could be on there
33:57
and, you know, a show like yours or a show like, you know, some
34:00
of the other track and field podcasts that I like.
34:03
And not even that I like, just that people like, I just want
34:06
different perspectives and I want different, different
34:08
things. But the overarching voice of
34:12
track and field is not going to be one voice.
34:14
It's going to be a bunch of voices.
34:16
And it's it's it's about creating, you know, it's about
34:22
unspreading the fingers and making the 1st and, you know,
34:25
actually having impact. So yeah, those I wasn't really
34:32
too out. Now I kind of trip a bit more
34:34
when people steal content. But back then when people were
34:38
stealing that clip and putting their, I was like, this is good.
34:41
Yeah, it's good for the sport. I love that now.
34:44
And so you had some fairly extensive background in
34:47
broadcasting and media, but you've been doing these podcasts
34:51
now for we're getting on our fourth year here for, you know,
34:54
unconventional. What have you learned as a host?
34:56
And, you know, maybe I don't want you necessarily to speak
34:59
for Jade, but maybe Jade plays a part in this.
35:00
What have you learned in these three to four years of these
35:03
different shows, different aspects?
35:06
Not necessarily, you know, well, I learned how Marcel runs the
35:10
100. You know, things like they could
35:11
be hardware, software, interviewing skills, production,
35:16
post production. What have you learned as the
35:18
host of these shows? Well, I've learned a lot, but if
35:22
I was going to pick something that stands out, I would say
35:25
that a lot of emphasis is put on being first a lot of the time
35:34
and I don't, I don't really buy into that.
35:40
Are you talking first for like track and field or first in
35:43
podcasting world here? 1st, 1st That's a good question
35:47
actually. Yeah, I'm at 1st as far as
35:50
response to news. Yeah, perfect.
35:53
Good. OK.
35:53
Keep going and I think that everyone, a lot of people are
35:58
going to try to be first. So cool.
36:01
But I think that at least the bangle that I'm coming from is
36:05
that I, I, I like to, with whatever show it is, take time
36:09
as far as how I'm going to evaluate a situation and how I'm
36:15
going to convey the message. And I find that, you know, it's,
36:24
that works for me. And I, I find that the response
36:26
is, is to me better because I, I, you know, you, you, you
36:36
always want to get to a party early.
36:37
But I mean, you don't want to get to the party early if you,
36:40
if you take a shower, you know what I'm saying?
36:44
You know, say put yourself together and you show up and you
36:47
make entrance. I, I look at it more like that,
36:49
you know, and, and you know, but that's not the typical way that
36:53
a lot of people look at how they present their content.
36:55
But that's definitely how I do it.
36:57
And you know, that's that's working for me.
37:00
Would you say that gives you, when you have that kind of
37:02
posture towards, you know, breaking news or news in
37:05
general, when you kind of allow more information, do you see,
37:10
think you get a little bit more of a new, a nuanced response to
37:13
it since you're not, you know, when you when it first breaks,
37:16
no one knows anything but the initial thing that they see when
37:18
there's nuance behind it and you've talked to other people or
37:22
perspective behind it and you talk to other people maybe
37:24
allows you to be a little bit more nuanced with your actual
37:26
response and conversation about the the topic.
37:29
Yeah, 100%. And, and I'm less likely to look
37:31
back at something I said and, and wish I could take it back.
37:36
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And I'm more likely to stand
37:39
behind what I say and I prefer it that way.
37:44
And not only that I can, I can get it.
37:46
I can, I'm able to convey what I'm trying to say in the, in a
37:49
more, in a way that's going to settle in.
37:52
But a lot of people still aren't going to agree, which is cool.
37:55
But at least I'm I'm OK with what I said and how I said it
38:00
and I'll get it across the way I want to.
38:02
And I could that would go for Jade as well.
38:04
She she you know, I think she would be she'd be more OK with
38:11
get saying what you have to say right away.
38:13
But me myself, I'm cool with and she's cool with this as well as
38:19
as far as just, you know, not needing to be first, not just
38:24
just responding with, you know, a lot of times you respond too
38:27
fast. You might not have enough to you
38:29
might not have anything really to say anyways, but you just
38:31
want to be first. And I that's not really that
38:33
wasn't. I'm trying to shower before I go
38:36
to the party man. We all appreciate that, Anson.
38:40
Thank you for that. All right, my friend, we got our
38:44
last two questions here. 1 is where can we find the podcast
38:47
you kind of eluded and, and maybe they're both the same
38:49
because you're the same producer behind that you mentioned
38:51
Spotify and Apple. Yeah, so unconventional Moisture
38:55
Track and field is on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and various
38:59
other podcast platforms. Yeah, once you hit Apple, you
39:01
hit like 100 other apps. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
39:04
So that's more so your listening pleasure.
39:08
There's we've got some visual clips in the second two seasons
39:12
that came out on YouTube, but. Do you put that?
39:16
Do you put the whole show on YouTube or no?
39:17
No, I don't put, we don't put the, we don't put the whole
39:19
show. For we're audio focused.
39:21
Yeah, well, actually season 1, the full shows were on, but
39:24
after that we was more audio focused and we we did some
39:27
clipping for YouTube and Sprint culture is is somewhat the
39:33
opposite. The the full episodes.
39:35
Yeah, they're on. They're on Spotify and on Apple
39:41
Podcasts and all that stuff. But more of the focus was
39:44
visually on YouTube. So you know, it has, it has more
39:50
of a YouTube presence for Sprint culture, but it's, it's still
39:53
really good just to listen as well.
39:55
And it's on all those platforms as well.
39:57
And does it maybe more start out on Instagram Live as well or or?
40:03
Yeah. So the I I'd consider it a a
40:06
live recording, so to speak, that would happen on Instagram
40:10
Live that turned into produced episodes.
40:14
But now in this upcoming season, we may, we may or may not have
40:23
the Instagram Live aspect to it, which people love.
40:27
So I don't know. I'm still, I'm still
40:28
deliberating as far as that, but.
40:30
Maybe more studio on that, but maybe we'll we'll see.
40:33
Yeah, yeah. We'll see.
40:34
Yeah, we'll see. But.
40:35
Something tells me, you know, as you were talking about the
40:38
different aspects here today, your eyes kind of lit up when
40:42
you talked about Instagram Live and live.
40:44
So something tells me even if you pivot to more of a studio,
40:46
there's going to be some live aspects somewhere, somehow.
40:50
Whether it's the set up, the preview, I don't know.
40:52
It feels like it's going to be hard to keep you away from some
40:54
kind of live aspect with your shows.
40:56
Well, I, I, I distinguish between a lot of my, my lives
41:00
now I'll say it'll, I'll have on the screen, it'll say Sprint
41:03
culture live. So you'll know that this is the
41:05
Sprint culture. This is Sprint culture live.
41:07
And then Sprint culture is the produced episodes.
41:10
So yeah, the live aspect I'm not going to get away from because
41:15
like I said, I love being live. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
41:17
I never know who's going to show up.
41:18
Somethings gonna happen. Yeah, yeah.
41:20
And people can never know when that live sign is gonna show up
41:23
on Instagram. So that's one of their toes.
41:25
Yeah, I love. It I love it All right, last
41:27
question here Anson, the average podcast listener listens to
41:30
between 7:00 and 10:00 different podcasts.
41:33
It's part of the reasoning by we're doing this series with
41:37
other podcast here for you. I'm just curious, I'm assuming
41:40
since you create podcasts, maybe you're a podcast listener.
41:42
What's your favorite podcast that you listen to that's not
41:45
your own and not maybe track related either?
41:50
Well, you know why? I actually just came across this
41:52
podcast fairly recently. It's a podcast called The Finish
41:58
Line and it's from these, these two guys.
42:02
One of them is named Anderson Amaroli.
42:04
He's a, he has a, he has a platform called the final leg on
42:09
YouTube. And, and this other guy named
42:12
coach Rob. And he also, he has a lot of, he
42:15
has a lot of content on YouTube as well.
42:17
And they came together and they made a, they made a podcast.
42:21
I came across a very late and I was the first episode I listened
42:26
to. They were talking about Grand
42:27
Slam track and what, what Tara Davis has said about it and they
42:32
really dove into it. It's very, it's very intelligent
42:35
conversation and I was it's very, you know, it's produced
42:39
well, it's and they're consistent.
42:43
I I, I like, I really like their show together.
42:47
So yeah, I'd say they might not even know actually, I messaged
42:51
them. I messaged, you know, Anderson
42:53
the other day and I was like, yo, I didn't know you had a
42:54
podcast. I really like it, man.
42:56
And he was, he's pretty appreciative of that.
42:59
He's been on my radar for a while track and field network
43:01
wise. But yeah, it's called the, it's
43:04
called the finish Line and solid, solid track and field
43:09
discussions. I I I like, I like that show.
43:12
Do you have any favorites that aren't track related?
43:15
Yeah, the typical Joe Rogan guy. There's another show slash
43:22
podcast I really like called it, It is what it is.
43:26
And also $1,000,000 worth of game.
43:29
There's another podcast that's that's pretty good as well.
43:34
Yeah, and I, I come across, I come across some shows sometimes
43:40
that I may not go back to and I may, I may even forget what the
43:44
podcast name is. But I think there's so many
43:46
podcasts out now that you may not even necessarily remember
43:49
all the shows you listen to, Right.
43:50
But but you know, you know, it's, it's the world is the
43:54
direction we're going right now. You know, a lot of different
43:56
perspectives. A lot of people are stepping
43:58
their game up as far as how they're presenting it.
43:59
So Yep. Absolutely, yeah.
44:02
All right, well, dear listener, you know, by listening to this
44:06
on your app right now on this podcast, we're done.
44:07
We're basically done with the show.
44:08
So here is my challenge to you. We had a double dip today,
44:12
right? So we had two podcasts, the
44:14
Unconventional Voices of track and field and Sprint culture.
44:17
So my challenge is on this exact same app you're using right now,
44:21
you can hit pause right here, go to the search function in this
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app that you're using right here and just search Unconventional
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voices. That's going that's going to
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bring up that podcast or, and, or search Sprint culture.
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And here's how I like to kind of figure out a a new show.
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If I'm, if it's going to be one that I'm going to keep going.
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What's kind of the flavor of it is one is I listen to their
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latest episode. So listen to the latest
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unconventional voices and the latest Sprint culture.
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That'll kind of give you where they are, where they left off on
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unconventional voices and where they are with Sprint culture on
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their flavor, their style, their their aura, if you will.
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And then, you know, he mentioned some of his favorite ones from
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back in the day, the one with the Devon and Fred and Jay was
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in there. That's a good one.
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Go check out he if it's a favorite of his, it's probably a
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pretty good show. And then, and I remember this
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one, I think it was episode 3, the are you not entertained?
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Go back and listen to that one because that'll kind of give you
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the origin and just the whole style of what they're going for.
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And then make sure you hit the subscribe button because that's
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the best way to know when they publish their next one.
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Then you'll never miss 1. So go check out Unconventional
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track, unconventional voices of track and Field with Anson and
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his wife Jada. Beautiful new parents here, by
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the way, as well. We give congratulations to them
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on that. And then Sprint culture, which
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sounds like Sprint culture is Anson.
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And then whoever he just corrals into the show, which that makes
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for its own fun there. But go check those guys out
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right now. And I hope they add blessings
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and value into your life and specifically your podcast life.
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Anson, thank you so much. Can I say one more thing?
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Absolutely, Mike. Mike, I think it's really cool
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that you're doing this, man. I think it's really cool that
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you're highlighting some of the podcasts that you come across
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and the personalities and the creators, because a lot of
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people that get the space are usually trying to just look for,
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look out for themselves and fend for themselves.
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And I really think it's cool that you're looking at the big
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picture and, you know, you're highlighting a lot of these
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other podcasts that are supposed to be considered competition.
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And it's it's it's we're one we're one voice man.
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And I think it's really cool that you're doing this.
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So respect a big up to you for this man.
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For real. Thank.
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You thank you for that. I believe in diversity in voices
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and that's actually I love like if I were ever to start a
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different podcast, I would call it unconventional voices.
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I I just love that that is your podcast name there.
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I think, you know, we need to hear from, you know, we're very
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American based. Obviously we need to hear from
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more international voices. We need to hear from more women
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voices. We need to hear from more
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minority voices because that is what has made our sport the
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greatest sport. We can talk about TV ratings and
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attendances and all that on any other show any other time.
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But in regards to just the the essence of the sport, there is
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nothing that beats track and field.
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It is the basis of every other sport out there and it's been
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because of women and minorities and international.
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So we need to hear from those voices.
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And so I'm always very grateful for what you guys do because I I
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know what it takes to put on a podcast.
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It's it's it's easy and that's air quotes there, but it's also
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a lot of work. And so I'm just grateful for you
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and Jada for what you guys do for this show and all the Co
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hosts you've had. It's it's content that's
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valuable and it's making our sport better.
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And I'm just so grateful for that.
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So I'm, you know, part of my ethos in this world is to help
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spread that. And that's what this hopefully
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will do, just a small part to help spread that that that love
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that you deserve. Nice man, Nice.
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All right. Thank you, Yancey.
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Appreciate you. Cool.