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The Late Debate | 4 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the late base.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have your company. I'm James Macpherson with Anika
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  Speaker 2: de Giorgio and Caleb Bond on what was a beautiful
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  Speaker 2: Sydney day? Now just spend it. Deaneka, well, I work
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  Speaker 2: this morning.
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  Speaker 3: I did my podcast, so I was here this morning
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  Speaker 3: and Deanika goes global on News twenty four YouTube if
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  Speaker 3: you'd like to have a look. And then I did
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  Speaker 3: go for a walk this afternoon too. And I actually
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  Speaker 3: think I've got a bit of a tan.
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  Speaker 1: Did you in one afternoon? You got a chan?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I did get a bit of color
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  Speaker 3: of me. You wouldn't understand because you're white.
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  Speaker 1: Well I know, Well, are you discriminating a gift for
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  Speaker 1: being white? I'll have you up at the racial discrimination Well.
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  Speaker 4: Go for it, go for it?
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  Speaker 2: All right, that escalated quickly. We better get into the show.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight. Should we ban chewing gum?
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  Speaker 2: Celebrity chef Jamie Oliver thinks so. He's called on local
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  Speaker 2: councils to outbought chewing, saying it's ruining British streets. The
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  Speaker 2: WNBA ties itself in ideological knots over transgender players as
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  Speaker 2: a paradive coaches suddenly develops collective amnesia about what the
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  Speaker 2: w in wnba actually stands for, And a bottle shop
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  Speaker 2: worker fired for trying to stop thieves has won her
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  Speaker 2: job back after the Fair Work Commission reminded her employer
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  Speaker 2: bravery is still preferable to cowardice. Will tell you about
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  Speaker 2: that story a little later. At first, every now and then,
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  Speaker 2: it's not often, but every now and then, the Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: government accidentally stumbles onto a good idea and here's one
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  Speaker 2: rare enough that, in my opinion, deserves polite applause. Later
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  Speaker 2: wants to ban gambling advertising on television between the hours
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  Speaker 2: of six am and six eight thirty pm and on
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  Speaker 2: radio during school pickup and drop off times. The Senate
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  Speaker 2: Inquiry is currently examining the proposal. Now, the betting industry
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  Speaker 2: insists that gambling ads are only about competing for market share.
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  Speaker 2: They're not actually trying to persuade Australians to gamble more.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bit like Philip Morris claiming cigarette ads were
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  Speaker 2: only ever about helping smokers choose between brands. The evidence
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  Speaker 2: tells a very different story. According to the Australian Institute
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  Speaker 2: of Family studies, Half of Australian's already at risk of
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  Speaker 2: gambling harm say advertising causes them to gamble. Even more
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  Speaker 2: than forty percent say it prompts them to place impulsive bets.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, these gambling advertisements aren't just selling sports
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  Speaker 2: bet over Ladbrokes. They're selling the next bet. And that
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  Speaker 2: the Labor Government recognizes gambling advertising is not harmless marketing,
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  Speaker 2: I think is a good thing, and I'm glad they're
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  Speaker 2: proposing to do more to restrict it.
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  Speaker 1: Caleb, whatever happened to personal responsibility? Oh, there's an ad
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  Speaker 1: on the television, therefore I must place a bet. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that advertisements are designed to sell a product,
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  Speaker 1: but you also then make a decision about whether or
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  Speaker 1: not you buy a product. I mean, just because there's
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  Speaker 1: an ad for Coca Cola on television, it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: I'm compelled to buy Coca Cola. Just because there's an
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  Speaker 1: ad on television for a certain brand of whiskey, well,
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  Speaker 1: I rather prefer another brand of whiskey, and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to go and buy that one. Now. I'm not denying
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  Speaker 1: that gambling addiction exists, even though the vast majority of
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  Speaker 1: people who gamble are not addicted and do so in
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  Speaker 1: a completely safe and enjoyable way. But I think to
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  Speaker 1: then suggest that that means because some people are addicted
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  Speaker 1: to gambling and then they see an ad and apparently
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  Speaker 1: that makes them want to go and gamble. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you could make that argument for basically anything. The whole
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  Speaker 1: point of advertising is to sell a product, and so
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  Speaker 1: of course if you advertise a child's toy, the sales
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  Speaker 1: of that child's toy might go up, and we might say, well,
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  Speaker 1: parents are spending money on that instead of on food
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  Speaker 1: that they should be spending to put on the table
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  Speaker 1: for the kids. So do we then go and ban
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  Speaker 1: all forms of advertising because they may lead someone down
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  Speaker 1: a dark path? And my issue really with this obsession
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  Speaker 1: with sports betting is that sports betting is not the
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  Speaker 1: great evil that everyone thinks it is. The real evil
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  Speaker 1: in the gambling world. Is Poky's right? And if you
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  Speaker 1: look at the data, more than half of people gamble
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  Speaker 1: in this country, sixty five point one percent of people,
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  Speaker 1: according to the Australian Gambling Research Center gambled. That was
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  Speaker 1: their research in October twenty twenty four, So that was
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  Speaker 1: in the twelve months prior Lot trees make up the
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  Speaker 1: majority of that fifty two point seven percent of adults
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  Speaker 1: say that they bought a lotto ticket. Scratches then come
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  Speaker 1: in at twenty four and a half percent. Pokey's come
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  Speaker 1: in third nineteen point eight percent. Race betting comes in
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  Speaker 1: fourth at seventeen point eight percent. Sports betting comes in
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  Speaker 1: fifth at twelve point five percent of adults, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not that many, really, and then kino's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: behind that at sixth on ten point two percent. But
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  Speaker 1: then you've got to look at the money that is
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  Speaker 1: being spent and the Australian gambling statistics which are put
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  Speaker 1: together by the Queensland State Government, and this is from
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three to twenty four financial year, thirty
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  Speaker 1: two point one eight billion dollars was spent on gambling
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  Speaker 1: in that financial year. Lot trees, which are the most
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  Speaker 1: popular version, made up three point four eight billion dollars
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  Speaker 1: of it, so very little wagering, and that sports and
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  Speaker 1: racing betting combined made up eight point four to three billion,
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  Speaker 1: So again it's a relatively small amount of this total number.
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  Speaker 1: But the pokeys, which are the third most popular form
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  Speaker 1: of gambling in the country sixteen point twenty nine billion,
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  Speaker 1: and that's excluding money put through Pokey's in the casino.
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  Speaker 1: So all of this moral panic about sports betting, I
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  Speaker 1: think is way overblown. You want to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: danger caused by gambling, it is vastly done by poker machines,
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  Speaker 1: But we don't have the federal government jumping up and
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  Speaker 1: down about the Pokeys.
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  Speaker 2: I would have agreed with Caleb Denker until my boys
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  Speaker 2: turned eighteen, nineteen twenty, and I've watched that cohort of
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  Speaker 2: young men in our world who all love their sport.
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  Speaker 2: Sport betting is advertised all the time, and all of
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  Speaker 2: those young guys, every single one on the is absolutely
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  Speaker 2: fixated on sports betting, some of them losing quite a
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  Speaker 2: bit of money. And it's targeted at that age group.
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  Speaker 4: But do you have a problem with a punt every weekend?
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  Speaker 2: Not not at all, But some of them do get
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  Speaker 2: themselves into trouble, and we know that it causes all
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  Speaker 2: sorts of societal problems. I mean, you would be supporting
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  Speaker 2: banning cigarette advertising, wouldn't you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, well, it was too late, we've done that's long gone.
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  Speaker 2: But do you think that was a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say it was a mistake.
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  Speaker 2: So you're in favor of banning advertising for certain things,
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  Speaker 2: just not gambling.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean, if I went back to the
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  Speaker 1: time that they banned it, I may well have argued
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  Speaker 1: against it. I couldn't tell you because I've not thought
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  Speaker 1: about that in depth, but I would have thought that
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  Speaker 1: the health effects caused by smoking are far worse than
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  Speaker 1: the effects caused by gambling on the whole. I mean smoking,
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  Speaker 1: even though I mean we're told now that the smoking
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  Speaker 1: rate in the country is like five percent, which I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe for a minute, by the way, but it's
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  Speaker 1: still one of the leading causes of death in this country,
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  Speaker 1: even though far fewer people smoke than they used to.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think smoking and gambling are really comparable in
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  Speaker 1: the DAMA.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes they both cause harm, I think in different ways,
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  Speaker 2: though I think they're completely different ways.
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  Speaker 1: Because you have a cigarette, and you know that cigarette
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  Speaker 1: causes you damage. But if you have a ten dollar
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  Speaker 1: bit in the.
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  Speaker 3: Scheme of things, en ten dollars is not going to
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  Speaker 3: make any difference, absolutely, and.
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  Speaker 2: Those you don't have ten dollars.
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  Speaker 3: But then shouldn't we be looking at the reasons why
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  Speaker 3: people choose to gamble. Shouldn't we be focusing on how
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  Speaker 3: we can mitigate the risks because if you look at
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  Speaker 3: the statistics, a lot of people do it because of
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  Speaker 3: money stress. In particular, it's it's number one, so that
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  Speaker 3: pertains to cost of living crisis. People can't afford to
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  Speaker 3: pay their bills, so they go, why don't I just
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  Speaker 3: go down to the local casino and give it a go,
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  Speaker 3: give it a crack. So shouldn't we be addressing the
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  Speaker 3: issues that actually lead people to gamble in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think we need to go any further
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  Speaker 3: with reform than what we already have. I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: was only in the last twelve months that lay introduce
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  Speaker 3: a suite of reforms. Gambling ads are capped at the
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  Speaker 3: moment in the country. They are banned during school drop
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  Speaker 3: off and school pickup, and I think that they are
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  Speaker 3: tough as they are. They literally smack you in the
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  Speaker 3: face every time.
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  Speaker 4: You sit down.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you watch the AFL, it's gamble responsibly. Chances
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  Speaker 3: are you are going to lose. Do you want to
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  Speaker 3: really place that bet? So it's not like you're not
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  Speaker 3: getting the warning signs every single time there is a.
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  Speaker 4: Sports bed or a tab ad, the.
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  Speaker 3: Warning signs are there, and I do think a lot
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  Speaker 3: of it does come down to personal responsibility. Now, there
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  Speaker 3: is a small percentage, as you mentioned, Caleb, that cannot
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  Speaker 3: control that that is a different story.
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  Speaker 4: But for the vast majority of.
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  Speaker 3: Australians they are not addicted to gambling. So every time
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  Speaker 3: gambling reform comes up, well, oh no, we've got to
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  Speaker 3: change everything.
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  Speaker 4: We've got to ban this ban that. Where do we start?
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  Speaker 3: We start banning gambling ads, then what's next? We ban
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  Speaker 3: everything to create a nanny state. People have to also
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  Speaker 3: take some personal responsibility in this country.
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  Speaker 1: And there is there's a self exclusion scheme. If you
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  Speaker 1: are addicted to gambling, you call it the number of
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  Speaker 1: go online or whatever it is, and you say I
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  Speaker 1: need to stop gambling, and then that is handed to
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  Speaker 1: all the companies and they are then meant to prevent
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  Speaker 1: you from gambling. They get into a lot of trouble
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  Speaker 1: if they don't do it after you put yourself on
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  Speaker 1: the register. So I think that you know, you can
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  Speaker 1: argue about of course advertising influencers people, but all advertising influences.
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  Speaker 2: People where you wouldn't you wouldn't pay for advertising.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, right, So why is one form of advertising worse
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  Speaker 1: than another, apart from the fact that you've made a
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  Speaker 1: moral judgment about the thing that it's advertising.
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  Speaker 3: What about what about alcohol coursing some people, alcohol podcas?
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  Speaker 4: You know, is that going to be well?
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  Speaker 3: You know, we have to ban alcohol advertising too, because
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  Speaker 3: of the small percentage of the population who are addicted
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  Speaker 3: to pose.
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  Speaker 2: The argument over gambling is specifically because in terms of sport,
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  Speaker 2: this is a relatively new for not alcohol has been
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  Speaker 2: around forever, as says gambling, but sports gamb where I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been to the footy and
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  Speaker 2: the weirdest thing, like nothing's happening on the field, and
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  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, some guy behind you jumps
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  Speaker 2: to his feet and his mates are all jumping on
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  Speaker 2: top of him, and they're all screaming because a player
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  Speaker 2: he had a bet on that he'd get twenty kicks
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  Speaker 2: rather than nineteen, got his twentieth kick and they're celebrating.
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  Speaker 2: As it's changed the name.
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  Speaker 1: It was probably one of them, yeah, television, or it
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  Speaker 1: was me watching.
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  Speaker 2: A horse race, I guess, because it's changed the nature
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  Speaker 2: of sport and now as many of the young guys
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  Speaker 2: in our world who are watching sport because they love sport.
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  Speaker 2: They're also watching it because they've got twenty different games happening,
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  Speaker 2: all within the same game, and it's the prevalence of
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  Speaker 2: it is unique.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, while we're talking about addictions, can we talk
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  Speaker 1: about one of your addictions, James, Yes, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: Sir James is not addicted to gambling. He's not addicted
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  Speaker 1: to drinking, even though he does and now enjoy a
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  Speaker 1: drink or two. He loves a charraz or a prosecco.
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  Speaker 1: But what are you addicted to, James?
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, I was actually caught on at Pauline Hanson's
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  Speaker 2: National Press Club address. I was I had a glass
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  Speaker 2: of wine that I was just twirling on the table.
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  Speaker 1: Red wine, yes, to be specific, well.
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  Speaker 2: Chewing gum yes, And my phone started lighting up with
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  Speaker 2: people from Rowan Dean to Andrew Bolt who saw it
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  Speaker 2: on television and thought, what the heck are you doing?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Exac chewing wine.
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  Speaker 2: Was sorry, drinking wine while chewing gum.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, And they weren't perturbed that you might be addicted
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  Speaker 1: to the wine. You're addicted to the chewing gum. James McPherson,
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  Speaker 1: choose gum all the time. In fact, he often comes
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  Speaker 1: into the studio and realizes he's still got some in
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  Speaker 1: his mouth. And then you put it under the desk
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  Speaker 1: and all this sort of stuff. You put it on
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  Speaker 1: the bed post. Remember that song. Does your chewing gum
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  Speaker 1: loses its flavor on the bed post? Over? Aren't you
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  Speaker 1: might be able to answer that question, James?
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  Speaker 2: Does it? It does?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there you go. Certainly loses its flavor if
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  Speaker 1: you put it on the floor, which has led Jamie Oliver,
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  Speaker 1: the celebrity chef of Gouse, to suggest that he wants
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  Speaker 1: chewing gum to be bandled together because he's sick of
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  Speaker 1: seeing it spat on the footpath. He was interviewed interviewed
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  Speaker 1: by the UK Telegraph for something completely separate, but somehow
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  Speaker 1: they got onto the topic of chewing gum, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: if I could ban anything, it would be chewing gum.
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  Speaker 1: I was walking up the street the other day and
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  Speaker 1: the street was ruined by a patchwork quilt of chewing gum.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't ban a flavor combination. I would ban chewing
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  Speaker 1: gum unless you could jet wash it off. But you can't,
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  Speaker 1: so there you go. Jamie Oliver says it should be
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  Speaker 1: banded all together because some people spit it on the footpath.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I think that's a bit ridiculous. Surely
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  Speaker 1: the problem is that people spitting the chewing gum on
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  Speaker 1: the footpath, not the chewing gum itself.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it works in Singapore, doesn't it. And I was
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  Speaker 3: actually reading an article online because it's banned obviously.
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  Speaker 4: The sale of it. But look how clean Singapore is is.
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  Speaker 4: It's very very clean.
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  Speaker 3: And I was actually reading an article in response to
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  Speaker 3: the Jamie Oliver call and Singaporean's apparently celebrating. They're saying, yes,
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  Speaker 3: Jamie Oliver, this is great news. Now, look, James, you
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  Speaker 3: know I'm very very fond of you. James is a
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  Speaker 3: very very good mate of mine. But you know there
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  Speaker 3: are times when I can hear it. I can hear
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  Speaker 3: the chewing and I just I.
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  Speaker 1: Really hear you can hear him masticating.
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  Speaker 3: I can hear him masticating, and I tell you what,
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  Speaker 3: it really irks me, and it really gives me the ear.
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  Speaker 3: Can I just try and like block it out of
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  Speaker 3: my I can hear it. It's in my ear drum,
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  Speaker 3: big fan of yours, But I tell you what, the
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  Speaker 3: sound so.
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  Speaker 2: Are you saying that gum should be banned or just
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  Speaker 2: macpherson should be banned from chewing I think.
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  Speaker 4: Person should be banned from chewing cup. No, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it should be banned.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that people need to be polite and
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  Speaker 3: properly dispose of it and not do the James McPherson
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  Speaker 3: take it out of your mouth just before you go
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  Speaker 3: on set and put it somewhere in the vicinity. Sorry, James,
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  Speaker 3: it's just off putting, it's sickening.
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  Speaker 4: Dispose of it correctly.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like chewing gum is that expensive, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure you can grab another packet of it out.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you can grab.
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  Speaker 3: Another one out of the chewing wrapper and you don't
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  Speaker 3: have to save your piece.
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  Speaker 1: What about the Singapore model? Do you agree with the
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  Speaker 1: Singapore model?
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  Speaker 4: I actually think yes, great.
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  Speaker 3: I think Singapore is world class standard for cleanliness, for
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  Speaker 3: good hygiene, and especially in a very humid place like Singapore.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's fantastic and I think good on them
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  Speaker 3: because they've set the standards for the world. You go
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  Speaker 3: anywhere in the world, it's disgusting here in Australia, same deal.
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  Speaker 1: So the answer is draconian bands.
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  Speaker 4: I don't I'm not saying ban it.
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  Speaker 1: So that's how it works in Singapore, that's why it
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  Speaker 1: works well.
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  Speaker 4: But they've had that in for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you could just impose a band suddenly
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  Speaker 3: out of thin air.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't think that that would work all bad
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  Speaker 2: because you know, chewing gum does have purposes. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it helps your concentration, it can be good for dental hygiene,
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  Speaker 2: it helps to reduce stress, and you can make art
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  Speaker 2: out of it.
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  Speaker 5: Check out this guy, also known as the chewing gum Man,
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  Speaker 5: Ben has been transforming discarded pieces of chewing gum into
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  Speaker 5: miniature works of art, using inspiration from everyday London, as
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  Speaker 5: our tourists who walk along the bridge leaving colorful messages
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  Speaker 5: to love ones completely transforming letter.
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  Speaker 2: Arrest. My point, how could you argue with that, James.
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  Speaker 3: If you're looking for a new job, they're may you
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  Speaker 3: please find some sort of you know, refritution.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever spect your chewing gum on the footpath?
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  Speaker 2: No good?
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  Speaker 4: No One.
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  Speaker 1: Thing I'll say for Singapore, even though I think a
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  Speaker 1: band is utterally ridiculous, is that they do take a
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  Speaker 1: rather harsh tone on these sorts of things even when
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: they are done, and you know they'll lash you and
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  Speaker 1: cut fingers off. And also we should bring we should
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 2: I reckon, think they cut fingers well, I gave.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon that's the sort of thing we should do
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  Speaker 1: for people who spit their chewing gum on the footpath.
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  Speaker 1: You know you can handle chewing gum, no problem too loudly,
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  Speaker 1: that's it. Don't be a public masticade.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you two were keen to do that topic,
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  Speaker 2: not because it was particularly usworth, so we wanted to
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: get some things off your chest about me.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: General.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: Though.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: You know, the sound of somebody chewing that chewing noise, as.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Long as you're not chewing with your mouth open, that's
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: that's a real no no, you know. And I'm sorry
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: to divert for a second. I saw a little while
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: ago at a restaurant there was a woman just chewing
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: with her mouth open, and I thought, because she's with
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: her bloken kids, And I thought, how did he ever
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: get past the first date? That would because that would
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, that would just be so bad.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Is that a deal breaker for you that we would?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: You trying a date with a woman and she's mouth that.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have to make it. I'd have to make
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: an assessment. If she was really attractive, I'd tell I'd
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: be like, has anyone ever told you not to chew
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: with your mouth open?
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: But if I thought, oh, this is a lost cause,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: that that would be it? Right? And I thought, how
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: did they ever get past the first day? Then I
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: saw the kids eating, and the kids were eating with
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: their mouths open. And then I saw the guy eating
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: and he was eating with his mouth open. I thought this,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: how is this possible? So just don't be a like
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: chew with your mouth open.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: There you go, a lesson in hygiene tonight. I'm the
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: like debate that, especially from Caleb Bonds. There you go,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: you learn something you're about Caleb ever every night on
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: this show. Now let's turn to something more serious. Nahu,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: of course, the Pacific Island country is changing its name,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: and it's also changed the spelling of its name, so
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: as of today, it is no longer Nahu. It is
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: narrow Naaro spelt nao Erro, the Republic of Naarro.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: The decision has been made because it wants to return
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: to a more traditional name the country became known internationally
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: as Naaru only because apparently its name was difficult for
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: foreigners to pronounce, and it was a matter of convenience
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: rather than choice. That's according to the local government there.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: The President of Nauru, David Adang, said this proposed change
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: seeks to more faithfully honor our nation's heritage, our language
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: and our identity. Now look, I personally think that this
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Nauro is more difficult to pronounce than Nahru. Now, whether
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: or not this is because we're used to saying Naru,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: but I think Nauro and the way that is spelled,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: it's a very odd looking spelling. Secondly, it follows a
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: path of Turkey a versus Turkey.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: Now, how many people do you.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Know that honestly says Turkey aa. I feel like everyone
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: just continues to say Turkey. Now, no one's following the
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: traditional name of it. So I get I just I
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: just I don't think. Well, I don't understand the purpose
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: of this, and I hate to say it, but Naru
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: is only known for the place which processes offshore asylum seekers.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: So the fact that Naru has gone through this big
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: name change no offense to Naru.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: It is what is for people who live in Naharu
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: that a little more than an attentions about eighteen thousand
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: is the population.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: A breakdown of what you know about.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: The major industry is phosphate. They made a lot of
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: money from frustrates fund, free education, free health, roads, airports.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Actually, well about you get.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Off the third opinion on what another country called them.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I just don't see what the point is again. It's
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: like Turkey a versus Turkey. Everyone is just going.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: To say, you realize that nearly half of the countries
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: in the world have a different name in their language
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to what we call them in English.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: I know that, but what's the point of change in
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: what works? Caleb? It's two thousand.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Because you used to be their name, but it's two
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: and then changing it French. The French rocked up and
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: decided that they didn't know how to say.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Here we go, so they want to erase things because
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: no colonial they're worried about them.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: No no, no, no no no no no. The French rocked
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: up and changed the name because they didn't know how
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: to say it, and they turned it into Nauru. Now
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: if the naw ruined people or whatever they are now,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the now Ero but we will.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: In Australia, we will.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: We will in Australia and across the English speaking world,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: most probably continue to call them naaru because that's what
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: we know them as, right in the same way that
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: we don't call Deutschland deutsch Land. We called deutsch Land Germany.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I feel like I would say deuts called Deutschland. I
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: feel like I would say deutsch Land.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Why would you say deutsch It's just a But it's
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: aside from the name doesn't work for you because you
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: find it more, it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Doesn't work for me.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying I don't understand what the point of
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: changing it is. And I also think the pronunciation and
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: the spelling of it makes it even more complicated.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Just like Turkey eight. No one's putting Turkey A with
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: the little dots on the on the y what they
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: called the point.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: The point is Turkey A. Turkey has always been Turkey
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a in their language. We only as a woke thing
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: after the war started and all the oh, we will
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: start using different names for them. It's Rabbish in English,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: it's Turkey.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: So Braasically, we're worried about the colonial past in their country.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: In their country, it's Turkey. A Now, if the people
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: of Nauru want to refer to their country in their
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: language inside of their country, who am I to tell
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: another country how to do its operations.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Look, you asked me for an opinion on it, and
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: my opinion is I don't see why we need to
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: change what worked were not a race a race the
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: modern history to go back to some sort of you know,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: years gone by to suit people, because we all know
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: what the French came in and they've changed everything, just
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: like when we say the Brits came in and you
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: know the whole it's.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Original people made up the majority of the population of
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: this country. I think they'd be within their rights to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: say I want to change.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I look forward to you constantly on this show saying
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: naw row and spelling it for us every single we
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: mentioned it.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: One thing is fight for Danika will be sticking with all. Right,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: there you go, you've made your point. All right? What
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: about this one for flyers. There's a guy who flew
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: from the US to London and he's created a storm
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: online by complaining the hostesks woke him up for a
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: meal when he preferred to be asleep. He was asleep
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: in business class, and he reports that the host he
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: started shaking him aggressively to wake him up. The flight
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: attendant said he woke him up to ask if you
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: want to have breakfast. The man replied, why did you
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: wake me up to ask that? If I'm sleeping, that
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: means that I want breakfast. Please don't do that to
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: anyone in the future. Well, the flight attendant hit back
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: that was company policy to wake up passengers when breakfast
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: was about to be served. If I've got a choice
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: on a flight, I am definitely choosing to remain asleep
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: then to be woken for breakfast, because it is so
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: difficult to get to sleep, especially on a long haul flight.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: If you can find sleep, you want to sleep for
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: as long as possible. And I would rather miss a
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: meal then be woken up early. And I think the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: kid to customer services, what good judgment. And surely if
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: a host he sees someone absolutely out to it, you
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: leave them alone. If you see someone listening to music,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: then you might tap them on the shoulder and say
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: breakfast is being served. But if someone's asleep on a plane,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: let them sleep, well, you do you disagree, You're just
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: disagreeable tonight.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, not disagreeable.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on. James Macpherson told the woman on
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the panel, she was disagreeable.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: That's right. This is how dag you assume I'm disagreeable.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Oh dah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: What you forgot to mention, though, was that this was
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: there was only eighty minutes left of the flight, so
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: an hour and ten minutes.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: He was between twenty minutes, so twenty minutes.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Mass was their restaurant point an hour and twenty minutes,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: so they were going from North Carolina to London heath Throw,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: So that's probably what about eight to nine hours from
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: the States to London. There wasn't that much time left anyway,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: They would have been getting ready for the cabin, to
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: prepare the cabin anyway to land as it was, so
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: he would have had to have woken up at some
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: point if he had a window seat, for example the
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: shades we had, he would have had to if he
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: had his seat belt on and off.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: So there are a number of variables at play.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I am sure that eighty minutes left of his journey
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: would not have been an inconvenience in the spate of
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: an eight to nine hour flight. I understand that he
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: was frustrated, but I think that he took it the
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: wrong way. I think it was very rude of him.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: He was also flying business class, probably more comfortable than
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: your average passenger.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: There's all these Reddit pages that have been made about it,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: and the reviews are quite mixed on whether you should
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: be woken up for food or not. But one flight
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: attendant commented on the reddit post. She said, if a
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: passenger wants to be woken up for breakfast, I will
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: try and wake them up gently. If they do not budge,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I will leave them alone. And I think that that's
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: and I think that is fair.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: He says he was aggressively shaken.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Well, what's aggressively to him?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: What what physically? Was that level of aggression?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Room around like a rag dot?
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Because he was he literally shaken like this, you know
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: what I mean? No, But was it like a hard
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: shake wake up? I mean?
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Or is he being dramatic because he you know, when
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: you're asleep and you're a bit disorientated.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: Was he disorientated?
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Look, it's a catch twenty two, right, because if you
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: don't wake people up and offer them breakfast, they're then
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: going to complain that they didn't get their breakfast, and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: then you do wake them up, and then to complain
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that they've been woken up. So what's the answer. In fact,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: he did, he did have a reasonable point. I think
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: this guy that they could ask you at the dinner
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: service whether you want to have breakfast, et cetera. But
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: but like it's a catch twenty two. What what's the worst?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: What's the biggest evil? Not getting your food or being
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: woken up? I'm not really sure, to be perfectly honest,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: it depends what they're offering. They're waking me up. Well,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: if they're if they're waking me up to offer me,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you know, glasses champagne, I'm on board with that. But
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: if they're waking up to offer me some you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: soggy hotel style scrambled eggs, can shove it up.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: So if you're in business class, if I was in
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: business class, I would take all of the food that
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: was being open to me. Let me tell you that
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I would. I would take the cavea, bring it on.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I would take the whole kitten kaboodle. You paid for
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: your fees exactly, you may as well get you I'm.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: In business class, I'm putting the seat right down, and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sleeping the entire journey.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: So you wouldn't I get the free gourmet food that
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: comes along with the business class ticket that you have
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: paid for and you've paid a lot of money for.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: No, I've paid for the chance for life latins.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Well why bother don't you go to any night whole experience?
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Do you sleep any night of the week.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: No, it's not going to a choice between sleeping in
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: any night of the week or sleeping on business class.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: There's a choice between an economy where you're like cramped
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: up like.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: This, not sleep. Little James live a little on that flight.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: James James needs his beauty sleep. He's a precious man,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: as we can see. He needs his beauty sleep. And
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: now there's been a bit of a row unfolding in
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the w NBA in the United States. That's, of course,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the women's basketball because a player from the Indiana Fever,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Sophie Cunningham, made comments recently about how she thinks that,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you know, transgender people shouldn't be competing at women's sport.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Can you believe it? She said? I think that I'm
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: here to extend love, but I also think that with
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: love is truth, being honest, and I want to protect
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: young girls in a locker room or young girls in
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: sport who shouldn't have to go against biological men. Reasonably
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: uncontroversial comment to make, I would have thought. But you
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: see the problem is that the WNBA is actually gaining
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of traction now in the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: United States. They've just done a broadcasting rights deal worth
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: more than three billion dollars. And so with this extra
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: attention is coming extra scrutiny, including from people within the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: WNBA who have taken great issue with what Miss Cunningham
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: has said, including a number of coaches. Now, the most
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: recent example this was just a few days ago they
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: were playing Minnesota. Her team, the Indiana Fever, were playing Minnesota,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and the coach of the Minnesota team, Cheryl Reeve, turned
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: up in a shirt saying trans kids Belong. Here it
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: is we see Cheryl Rear wearing a shirt today and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: support of trans kids. Trans kids belong on the shirt.
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: Just in the aftermath is Sophie Cunningham's recent comments.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: It's pretty clear at the point that she is trying
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: to make there, I mean the space of the past
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: week and number of other coaches have been involved in
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: this too. What is your stance on men or athletes
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: who tests as biological male participating in women's sports.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: What's your personal stance? Yeah, I mean I'm I don't
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: know that I would say that I'm educated enough from
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: a scientific standpoint.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: My focus as a gospel coach, I be completely honest, like,
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: I don't think I've ever had to think about that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: I'm completely supportive of people for all communities or walks
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: of life.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: So that's my stances.
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: Is about belonging, It's about inclusivity, it's about allowing everyone
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: to be their authentic self. I'm all about women, little
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: girls deserving to play, and that includes trans women, That.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Includes trans women. So makes a really straightforward comment. And
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I suppose she's proven why you have to make straightforward
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: comments because all of these people in the league jump
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: on a senior people, coaches jumping on board and saying, well, actually,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I think means should be playing in the WNBA. I
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: thought they already had the NBA.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I would ask any of those
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: coaches how they would feel if their team, who are
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: all women, were biological women, were playing up against a
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: team which had biological men who identify as women in
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: their league, and their team kept losing every single time
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: they played the league with the trans players in there.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: How would they feel about those comments? Would they go, oh, look,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: that's all right, they can be whoever.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: They want to be.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: How would they feel about losing every single time? How
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: would they feel about their biological women in their team
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: being outplayed by men who are naturally bigger, can outrun.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Them, are physically going to out play them. How would
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: they feel about that? I'd love to know their opinion.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the hypocrisy is stunning, and so is the cowardice
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: with these coaches saying, well, you know, they don't answer
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: the question directly. I'm about inclusion, I'm about belonging. Well,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: we're all about inclusion and belonging, and men are very
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: welcome to be included where they belong, which is in
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the men's league, if they are biologically men. It should
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: be pointed out that Sophie Cunningham was asked a question.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: She wasn't grand standing on this issue, though fair enough
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: if she was grandstanding, but she was asked a question
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: by a reporter. She gave an answer that fifteen years
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: ago would have been a non event. Shows how quickly
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: the world has changed. And I should point out as well,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: and Kayla be alluded to it. She was quite gracious.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: She said that she loves everybody, but she just doesn't
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: believe biological men belong in women's sport or locker rooms,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: and for that she's been absolutely demonized. But good on
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: her for sticking to her grounds. The Guardian accused her
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: of know, you're a conservative, you say politics should stay
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: out of sport, and now you've brought politics into sport. Well,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: when you want biological men to play in your sport,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: politics has already arrived, right, So when you respond to that,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: you're not playing politics. You're simply trying to keep the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: purity of your sport pure. But she's accused of being
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the one who's politicized.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: And the other thing is is have any of these
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: coaches stopped to think about what it would be like
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: for their own women's only locker rooms, women's only bathrooms,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: women's only toilets being overrun by players who are biological men.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: How would they feel about that? Would they be okay
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: with that?
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Again? The hypocrisy stinks to high heavens.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: On mondew Lebron has now figured out what he's going
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: to do when he's too old for the NBA. Well,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: identify as a woman and plan the WNBA and plan well.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, they're all saying, is welcome, Give it a go,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Give it a go.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Now, look, let's go over to New York now where
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: the socialist mayor Zoran ma'm darni. You may have heard
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: last week his big Bright initiative. He wants to introduce
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: state run grocery stores. Yes, line up in your Soviet
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: breadline to get your thirty percent subsidized bread, meat, pantry items.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: But here is the catch.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: He's also claimed that in order to receive his subsidized items,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: you need to produce some identification.
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  Speaker 5: This is a program for New Yorkers to be able
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: to put food on the table, not a program for
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: people to be able to make a quick buck through reselling.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: We are looking to make sure that we target New Yorkers,
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: whether it be a sort of a library card asks it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: And also we manage who's buying and that is focused
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: on every day New Yorkers.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: So New York requires ID right now to one get
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: a book from a library, two apply for food stamps,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: three shop at the city run grocery store and four
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: adopt a pet. But what do you not need a
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: government run ID for to vote? That's right, you don't
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: need to vote. To ensure safety and security around elections,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: you don't need a vote. And in fact, when it's
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: been brought up as part of the Save Act, which
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: is what Donald Trump has been pushing for, the Democrats
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: have been saying, oh, well, you're a bigot for even
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: suggesting that you need an ID.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: How dare you?
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Because of course you know they love the illegal immigrants
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: that they love, that's how they rig the system over
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: in the States.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: I find this so ironic.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: I actually the hypocrisy stinks to high Heaven because you
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: literally are saying to people you can get your thirty
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: percent subsidized bananas, but cough up your ID for it,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: but voting you don't need to. And Zora Memdani also
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: asked for ID when he said to people, if you
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: want to volunteer to shovel snow back in December last year.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: So ID for everything except for actual what you need
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: ID for.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: It's ID when it helps his political platform, and no
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: ID when it helps his political platform. I think that's
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: his policy pretty much.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I mean what more needs to be said. The point
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: has been made right If you don't think you need
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: ID to go and vote, but you need ID to
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: buy groceries and your priorities are pretty warped. Hey, before
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: we go to the break, can I give the yay
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: for the day? As John Laws would have once done
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to a woman by the name of the Enforcer, Wendy
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the Enforcer Lee. Now she used to work at BWS.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: In fact, she's just been allowed to go back and
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: work at BWS. She was working at BWS at a
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: shop in Tasmania and they had little problem one day
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: where some young fellas came into the shop to try
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and Robert. She was working in the shop and in
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the process of trying to get them out of the shop,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: she wound down the roller door on the front of
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: it and one of these guys then threw a bottle
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: one of her co workers. So she was then sacked
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: by Endeavor, which is the parent company of BWS, because
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: she said that they said that she had put her
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: coworker in danger. The company policy is that you don't
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: interfere in theft, and that by putting the roller door down,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: which then apparently led to this bottle being thrown. She
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: put someone in danger and they sacked her, so she
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: went off to Fair Work to fight the case, and
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the Fair Work Commission has said that she can have
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: her job back because indeed she did not break the rules.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: They found that because she was known as the enforcer
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: by her colleagues, because she'd done this sort of stuff before,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: and they'd even put a sign out the front of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the shop calling her the Enforcer, WHICHWS had allowed to
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: stay there, that they'd already implicitly endorsed this kind of behavior,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: and there was no evidence that her closing the roller
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: door actually led to them throwing the bottle. So good
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: on her for taking the fight up. I reckon, because
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: all she tried to do was defend her employer, and
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that's what gets you the sack, trying to stop someone
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: from robbing the shop that you work in. We're in
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: a pretty wibbly wobbly world.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I reckon, And good on the Fair Work Commission for
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: a good decision. We're going to go to a break
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: when we come back. Look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: including Jetstar. They're meant to be the affordable airline. But
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: wait until you hear what they're going to start charging
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: passengers for that's coming up after the break. Okay, here's
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines in tomorrow's papers. And I cannot believe
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the story on the front page of Tomorrow's Day Telegraph,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: hurt Lockers reads the headline, Jetstar charges you fifty two
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: dollars to stash luggage overhead? What Jetstar passengers will soon
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: have to pay to store carry on bags in overhead
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: lockers in a move that has failed to fly with
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the low cost airlines customers. A minimum charge of twenty
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: five dollars on domestic flights and up to fifty two
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: dollars for international flights on top of the ticket price,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: will be brought into effect from February, a change Jetstar
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: says aligns with budget carriers around the world. Smaller bags
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: such as handbag, backpack or laptop that can fit under
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: seat will continue to be free to bring on board
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: under the move.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Or I guess for now that's ridiculous. That is not
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: a rat, what an absolute rot. There's a reason why
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: you go for a budget carrier. They going not even
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Ryan Air does stuff like that over in Europe.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: They do blow the windows out the side of the.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Plane, but they get you with the cheap fare, right,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: so you think, oh, that's way cheaper than Quantus or Virgin.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: So then you start the booking process and then you realize, oh,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to add this at this, at this, and
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: if you don't do it online, then you get to
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: the terminal and they'll charge you, and they charge you
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: on Motster.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: This is the problem with having basically to operators, Counters
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: and Virgin, and of course Jetstar is corners. They can
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: do whatever the hell they want. A third player cannot
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: come fast enough. It's another story in front of the
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Telly Joe.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I was just sitting there aghast at what were doing.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: The other story on the front page of the Telegraph
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: that Calor reminded me of is temporary visas. Saw The
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: number of temporary bridging visas in Australia has more than
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: doubled over the past three years, partly due to explosion
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: of international students appealing rejected visas. There's nearly four hundred
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: and thirteen thousand people on temporary bridging visas as of
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: June thirty this year, according to new figures from Home Affairs,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: so almost half a million people waiting to have some
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: sort of visa dispute resolved in the meantime on bridging visas.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of people and a huge backlog in
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: the system.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: And of course none of them are living in houses
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: that could otherwise be inhabited by Australians. On the front
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: of the courier Mail Tomorrow says truth the bomb on
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the way. The Bureau of Meteorology's disastrous rollout of its
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: ninety six million dollar website revamp will be examined as
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: part of a review into these six hundred million dollar
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: a year agency. The Bomb was widely panned last October
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: after the makeover that left users unable to navigate the site.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: At the time, Queensland Premier David christ fully blamed the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: flawed website for leaving Brisbane residents unprepared any January bomb
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: operated rain and river gauges went offline during the deadly
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Channel Country floods. The independent review, which would be led
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: by former Murray Darling based Authority chief Philip Glyde, will
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: aim to quote unquote future proof the bomb and remember
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: when they didn't want to be called the Bomb anymore,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: they wanted to be called the Bureau. It's high time
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: they had an investigation. I think, but do we really
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: hold any hope that this is going to return anything
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: that he's acted upon or is it another thing that
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: ends up in the bottom draw when they go.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: And how much of this review going to cost as well?
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Is already cost so much money on top of everything else.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: A let's take a look at the Australian tomorrow. Up
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: the top their premiers water bombshell secret labor privatization plan.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: The Victorian Labour government has secretly spent five years exploring
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: the privatization of Melbourne's water assets in the bid to
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: rescue the state's deteriorating finances. Confidential cabinet documents revealed ministers
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: were warned that the politically explosive proposal to raise billions
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: of dollars posed a major reputation or risk if it
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: became public. The documents obtained by the OZ show former
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Premieres Into Allen and senior ministers in twenty twenty four
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: approved a twelve month business case can codenamed Project Nerva,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: to investigate bringing private investors into Melbourne Water, the state
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: owned authority that owns almost eighteen billion dollars worth of dams, pipelines,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: treatment plans and other water infrastructure. Seriously, this the labor
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: government in that state, through every fault of its own,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: has set the state broke. It's set the state backwards
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: and it is having to explore these sorts.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Of measures to save its own backsides.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an incredible story. No wonder they wanted to
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: keep it secret. People will be vopable when they read
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: about this. Eventually you run out of money, so you've
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: start selling outset.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: But this is the same government that brought back the
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: State Energy Commission, didn't they because you know, we've had
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: more things in public hands. But you know when they go,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: oh Jesus around of money, should have less stuff in
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: public hands? Which one is it?
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: All? Right?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Front page of tomorrow's Herald's son cut the Loop, still
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: speaking of Victorian waste pole, reveals voters want to thirty
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: four point five billion dollar suburban rail loop dumped, with
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: almost seventy percent backing the airport line. I won't bother
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: reading the article because I've just in the subheading explained
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the story. Anyone who's been to Melbourne recently would know
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Melbourne desperately needs a train from the airport into the city.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: You're stuck with the what they call the skybuskybus.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, mad though.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Oh but have you heard the announcements on stolen land.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: So you can either get the woke bus or you
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: get a or an uber and it takes you ten
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: to fifteen minutes in peak out to get out of
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: the airport precinct. It's a horrible airport for getting out of.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Build a railway line. Most voters want that.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's meant to be global city on
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: the front of the Advertiser tomorrow. Your right to know
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: or perhaps not. In this case, the court's administrator has
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: used the mal analysis government's Crown Solicitor's Office to criminally
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: charge the Advertiser over naming a child sexual material offender
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: working at an elite Adelaide girls school quote unquote too early.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: It sparked a taxpayer funded prosecution over your right to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: know that a magistrate had granted granted Riley McGinnis bail.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: And you'll remember last week we told you about how
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: people in the court system had used AI to make
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: up images of a reporter at the Advertiser allegedly being
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: arrested for contemptive court, which he hadn't been for breaking
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: this suppression order and the court has refused to cooperate
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: with the police on that matter because it is actually
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: in a fence to do those sorts of things. But
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: meanwhile the paper, oh my god, they revealed the name
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: of a person who's been looking at a child sexual
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: abuse material. We'd better go and charge them. These are
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: the priorities of the justice system.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Apparently strawdinary a quick look at the Mercury now scrolling
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: for staff. Tasmanian school principles have resorted to advertising teaching
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: positions on social media, as a survey reveals understaffing is
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: gripping our public schools.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: I personally find this very unprofessional.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: I think if you are going to advertise for a role,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: it's on Seek or it's on LinkedIn, you know, I'd
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: start putting it on Instagram or face.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: For Yeah, well, it would make sense to put it
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: on Instagram and Facebook. To me, that's where everyone is.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Why don't you think that's unprofessional?
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I think you've got to read social where they're app.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: But it's a social media app you used to post
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: what you're.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Doing on the weekend, So wise LinkedIn okay?
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Because LinkedIn is a professional app for social media. It's
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: not it's a professional app, but he.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Has an area specifically for putting job adds up. But
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I I think that the difference is. What it shows
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: is that they're so desperate to find staff that they're
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: essentially having to put ads in positions where they find people,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Whereas traditionally, if you're looking for a job, you'd go
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: to a job vacancy board and put in the job
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: you wanted and see if anyone has a job for you.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I think it probably indicates how bad things are in
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: terms of trying to recruit teachers more than anything else.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: All Right, I'm not sure if my son is watching
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: the program tonight. I hope he is, because he's studying nursing.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: And after the break we're going to show you Brisbane's
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: ninja nurse. I'm not kidding. They've got a ninja nurse
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: in Brisbane. That's next, Well, Caleb Bond. The nurses in
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Brisbane a something else, aren't they?
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: They are.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Look, I told you earlier about this poor woman who
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: worked at b WS who got sacked for trying to
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: defend her workplace. This bloke, I hope does not meet
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the same fate to Daniel Nelson, take a look at
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: this vision, who is a practitioner of jiu jitsu, has
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: taken someone down in the emergency department who was trying
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: to get rounding and carry on. Now, this vision actually
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: goes all the way back to October twenty twenty four,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: two in the morning, but he's recently put it up
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: on social media and you know, he's demonstrated that. You know,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: they often have to deal with absolutely terrible people who
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: come into these emergency departments whacked out of their brains
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: on drugs and whatever. You know, thank god you got
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: someone like Daniel Nelson there to spring into action. Another
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: yay for the day, to get the jiu jitsu moves
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: out Like he's the enforcers.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: He's the nurse enforcer.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I reckon put him on the front door. You know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: he might be a great nurse, but he would be
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: very valuable on the front door.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: The good thing is he can beat you up and
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: then he can tend to your wounds.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Inflicted by him.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: We need more of that, yeah, absolutely all right. What
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: we don't need more of is the Victorian labor government.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: You remember their machette Bin debarcle. It cost millions for
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: MATCHETI bins that really only got lawful people to submit
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: their weapons. It turns out that the Victorian government, in
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: developing these bins contracted a defense and security company who
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: normally make military grade weapons and aircraft to design the bins.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: They paid them forty two, two hundred and eighty seven
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: dollars to oversee the design of the bins. What's funny
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: about that is do you remember the Liberal MP Nick McGowan,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: who bought a nine dollars tool from Bunnings and broke
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: into one of these machete bins to show so how
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: easy it was. And yet the Victorian government spent forty
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: two grand with a military company to design them, and
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: they've got security people within the Victorian Police force. Unbelievab
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: How difficult could it beat the design of bin.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: It's almost like it was doomed from the beginning.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: It's another day in Victoria, though we say this every night,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: It's another day in Victoria.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: It's okay because they can sell all their water assets to.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: They've got all that, they've got the solution to it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Now we've got to end on some adorable vision dog surfing.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is absolutely God just look at this. Look
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: at this. This was at Linda Mar Beach. It's in PACIFICA.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: This is in California, where crowds gathered to watch these
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: little pooches compete against each other on the waves. This
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: is a tenth annual World Dog Surfing Championships.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: Chips. Look at them, Surf City, here we come. I
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: don't think two girls for every dog.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think they look terribly pleased to be surfing.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Myself looks scared. You cannot tell me that dog wants surfing. Now,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: he looks happy. He looks happy because he's on the beach.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: He's not in the water on the surfing. They do
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: not look like they want to be out there surfing.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Is this a legit competition?
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: This is a legit This is a tenth annual dog
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: surfing competition.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: But how is it a competition? But the dog's not
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: doing anything?
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I guess he could stay for the longer.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: We can have a dog race, because the dogs race
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: against each other. They actually runned. But but what's that.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what would be better is cat surfing.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I would be to watch that because they would go feral, well,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: they would.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Go at least it would be a little more entertaining,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: but if you asked me, there's bordering on animal cruelty.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I agree, he go, shame on you. That's all we've
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: got time for tonight. Stick around his Rida penees she's
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: the next