Latest / Karl and Crew / AI Tool for Discovering Your Spiritual Gifts with Dr. Drew Dickens & Meet Moody’s New President with Dr. Rick Melson
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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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- 0:49S5: Now, concerning spiritual gifts. My brothers and sisters, I do
- 0:55S5: not want you to be uninformed. Paul's first letter to
- 1:00S5: the Corinthians, chapter 12, verse one. It's kind of clear.
- 1:04S2: And very and very helpful. I'd be like, thank you, Paul.
- 1:08S2: I don't want to be uninformed.
- 1:12S5: That's really a funny comment.
- 1:13S6: I know you said it.
- 1:15S5: You know what that tells me. And by the way,
- 1:18S5: this very much is a personality thing because some people,
- 1:22S5: if they see that and they say, I don't want
- 1:24S5: you to be uninformed. I just need to confess something
- 1:27S5: right now. What? I'm still throwing out the directions. I'm
- 1:30S5: going right into those things and going to tinker with
- 1:32S5: them until I figure them out. Who's the direction chucker here?
- 1:37S5: Come on, raise your hands. Who throws out directions, gets
- 1:40S5: rid of them and says, I'm flying on my own.
- 1:42S5: Come on.
- 1:43S6: Yeah. Nope.
- 1:44S2: No!
- 1:44S4: Yeah.
- 1:45S5: Hold it. This is surprising. So super. Do you. Super,
- 1:49S5: super duper super do. She's got a super do. Um,
- 1:54S5: you're you're a you and me, sister.
- 1:58S3: I'm surprised.
- 1:59S6: I'll look at the picture and go, okay. Really give
- 2:02S6: it a give it a give it a try.
- 2:04S5: Give it a go.
- 2:05S3: How often does that work out for you guys?
- 2:08S6: Often.
- 2:09S5: Well, I think it works pretty well.
- 2:10S3: Convinced?
- 2:11S5: No, I think it works pretty well. Me and super.
- 2:13S6: Guy.
- 2:14S5: We're Ikea experts.
- 2:15S3: See, my problem is, is I don't I don't throw
- 2:18S3: out the directions and I still get it wrong. And so.
- 2:22S6: I.
- 2:23S5: See that's embarrassing when you're reading the directions. Yeah. And
- 2:27S5: I did this building, this stinking cat tower. We got
- 2:30S5: this brand new cat tower. It's really nice. And it
- 2:33S5: was on sale at Costco.
- 2:35S2: Ooh.
- 2:36S5: Okay. Yes. Okay. Cat tower on sale at Costco. Rescue cats.
- 2:40S5: We walked in, and the rescue cats are on their
- 2:42S5: hind legs with two paws in the air going. Whoa!
- 2:47S7: This is awesome.
- 2:49S5: No, it was great. So, but I, but I, I
- 2:51S5: started building that thing without the instructions. And I'm like, well,
- 2:54S5: this ain't going to work because this is one of
- 2:56S5: these high tech deals, because they have different sized legs
- 2:59S5: that go up at different proportions. And then a platform
- 3:02S5: here and a platform there. And I'm like, come on,
- 3:05S5: you got to be an idiot to not figure this
- 3:06S5: out on your own. Sure enough, I was that guy.
- 3:09S5: So I'm building this thing away at the very bottom.
- 3:14S5: I thought I look for a half an hour alley.
- 3:16S5: They left one piece out. So the mouse whacker thing
- 3:19S5: that you screwed to it so that the mouse is
- 3:22S5: on this little spring action thing and it drives the
- 3:24S5: cats crazy. It still isn't installed. So I got to
- 3:27S5: go get that piece.
- 3:28S2: Okay.
- 3:29S5: But if you if you're a person like me who
- 3:31S5: has checked out directions after years go by, you're convinced.
- 3:35S5: Now the direction guys got it right. You got it
- 3:39S5: all wrong. And then it took me a half hour
- 3:41S5: to figure out. Even Costco leaves pieces out of the
- 3:44S5: puzzle here. So you're a I knew alley is a direction.
- 3:49S3: Yeah.
- 3:50S2: Yeah, I mean, I tell me the best way to
- 3:52S2: do it. Tell me step by step. Break it down.
- 3:55S2: You know, when I. Sometimes I'll do my ChatGPT prompts.
- 3:58S2: Explain it to me like I'm five years old. Like
- 4:01S2: I want.
- 4:01S5: Really?
- 4:02S2: Absolutely. It's good. Especially if it's something technical where I
- 4:05S2: don't have a. Like a good understanding base. Yeah. Make it.
- 4:09S2: Make it simple and plain and I will follow it.
- 4:12S5: You know. That is perfect because I got to tell you,
- 4:16S5: as a result of today, I think in simplicity does
- 4:20S5: not mean stupid or dumb.
- 4:21S2: Not at all.
- 4:22S5: Simplicity often means clear clarification.
- 4:27S4: Exactly.
- 4:28S5: Yeah. You got to get clear. And, you know, it's,
- 4:32S5: it's like what, what we say about teaching. And I
- 4:35S5: meet with my teaching staff at our churches. Some you
- 4:40S5: can be deep and really muddy, but you can take
- 4:43S5: the word of God and you can be deep and
- 4:45S5: you can be clear and depth with clarity is one
- 4:49S5: of the most powerful things going, isn't it? It just
- 4:51S5: is inspiring. It's just inspiring. So when you think about
- 4:55S5: spiritual gifts, is it a deep topic? Yeah.
- 4:58S3: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, gifts from God. So yeah.
- 5:01S5: Yeah. These are gifts from God.
- 5:03S6: Should be a deep topic.
- 5:04S5: Yeah. And they're distributed by the Holy Spirit. They're infused
- 5:07S5: by the Holy Spirit. We're called to use them. So
- 5:10S5: it's a practical topic. And the question is what do
- 5:15S5: you do if you don't know your gifts? Now really
- 5:18S5: quick here, let's throw this out. We've been getting a
- 5:20S5: good sample group here. But right now, before we spin
- 5:23S5: a record here, let's get some more people in on
- 5:26S5: this poll that you made.
- 5:27S2: Okay. Yeah. This allows you to just kind of tell
- 5:29S2: us where you're at in terms of knowing both identifying
- 5:33S2: and using your spiritual gifts. So if you want to
- 5:36S2: take that poll, if you've not taken it yet, just
- 5:38S2: text the word vote to 805, five, five, 78, 98.
- 5:43S2: You will weigh in with close to 1000 other people
- 5:45S2: who have voted so far. Just text vote to 805 5557898.
- 5:52S2: Takes you about 30s to do or less.
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- 6:02S5: Oh, we got a thrill, man. This guy is becoming
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- 6:07S5: kind of like Gentiles into the Jewish vibe, man. We
- 6:11S5: got it going on here. You got grafted into the family. Uh,
- 6:15S5: this is really, really a sweet thing. Doctor drew Dickens
- 6:18S5: coming up in just a moment. You're going to want
- 6:20S5: to stick around for this. We got every week he
- 6:23S5: shows up here. Now we've got a tool related to
- 6:26S5: the topic.
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- 6:30S2: every time he.
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- 6:42S5: They got everything. Okay. Hang on. Doctor Drew Dickens coming up.
- 6:45S5: We're going to get a lay of the land on
- 6:46S5: what's going on with AI. And there's some eye pop in.
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- 7:01S5: Doctor Drew Dickens here. Give us a landscape, man. What's
- 7:04S5: going on in AI? You got some good news, don't you?
- 7:07S8: Well, I just yeah, but I just flew over. Uh,
- 7:09S8: you guys, uh, over the weekend. I was up in Milwaukee,
- 7:12S8: and while I was there, going up and down I-90.
- 7:14S8: What is that, 4 or 95? Uh, passing Microsoft is
- 7:18S8: building a new data center up there, and that's insane
- 7:20S8: the size of this thing. So a lot of the
- 7:23S8: buzz for the last week or so has still been
- 7:25S8: about power and energy and these data centers and the
- 7:28S8: water that it's eating up and the power. The other
- 7:31S8: thing that keeps coming up right now are new models
- 7:33S8: are coming out, these new models. What are they doing,
- 7:36S8: the power behind them, things like that. So models are
- 7:39S8: still a big conversation. And, uh, and like you said,
- 7:42S8: prompting one of the most fascinating kind of panic discussions
- 7:46S8: over the last couple of days has been. Each of the.
- 7:50S8: The larger Claude and ChatGPT have announced that they are
- 7:54S8: able to better detect AI writing, and they're going to
- 7:59S8: be start putting watermarks, hidden kind of messages in their
- 8:03S8: answers that AI will be able to determine whether this
- 8:07S8: came from AI or not. And why that's important is
- 8:10S8: if you're using AI to generate content on LinkedIn, on YouTube,
- 8:15S8: things like that, they're going to start downgrading that kind
- 8:19S8: of content because they want humans involved in this. And
- 8:22S8: so LinkedIn's going to start pushing it down a little bit.
- 8:24S8: Substack is going to start pushing AI generated content down
- 8:28S8: a little bit. So it's going to be harder to hide,
- 8:31S8: harder to hide yourself, um, behind AI generated content. So
- 8:36S8: I think, yeah, that's good. It's a good thing.
- 8:38S2: Tell us what's going on with AI as far as
- 8:40S2: Bible translation, this was an exciting little update.
- 8:43S8: Andy Crouch along with Barna Research. Some of these organizations
- 8:47S8: have really done a lot of exciting work breaking down
- 8:50S8: AI into kind of three different areas. So reckless and
- 8:54S8: responsible and redemptive. And boy, we don't need to spend
- 8:57S8: a lot of time on reckless. We know the doom
- 8:59S8: and gloom stories. Everybody's got one of those or a
- 9:02S8: bunch of those about kind of the downside of AI.
- 9:06S8: So organizations are starting to think, okay, well, what's the
- 9:08S8: redemptive side of AI? How is the spirit using AI
- 9:13S8: to advance the mission of God? And I think one
- 9:17S8: of the most obvious ones is Bible translation. Every tribe,
- 9:20S8: every nation some of your listeners may be familiar with,
- 9:24S8: they came out with some research recently that they can
- 9:27S8: save up to 25 years of work in the field,
- 9:31S8: translating scripture into different into a native language. 25 years
- 9:36S8: it can save. And so I'm incredibly redemptive work, right? Um,
- 9:41S8: medical research, very, very powerful just this week, Merck came
- 9:46S8: out with some advancement in using AI to do custom
- 9:50S8: genome to to develop customized cancer vaccines specifically for dermatology.
- 9:56S8: That they're able to stop reverse again, using AI to
- 10:00S8: find different patterns in genomes and come up with custom work. So,
- 10:04S8: so much redemptive work is being done in the field
- 10:06S8: of AI. It's just really, really exciting for me.
- 10:09S5: Yeah, that is that is some good news, isn't it?
- 10:12S5: Really good news. That's tremendous. Well, last week I called
- 10:18S5: up drew and I said, hey, buddy, got a job
- 10:22S5: for you. And he would have thunk it up himself.
- 10:25S5: But I said, what can we do to come up
- 10:28S5: with a spiritual gifts inventory that's true to the Word
- 10:31S5: of God, reflective of gifts as we see them in
- 10:35S5: Scripture and then provide some explanation for what those gifts
- 10:39S5: actually are. Oh my goodness, my man. Uh, you really
- 10:46S5: came up with a tool here. Tell us how you
- 10:49S5: developed this inventory.
- 10:52S8: Well, one of the other really exciting advancements that a
- 10:54S8: lot of the language models are talking about is voice prompting.
- 10:58S8: And I love this because, and you guys are a
- 11:01S8: perfect example of this because you talk for a living. Uh,
- 11:05S8: we tend to, I tend to, uh, talk faster than
- 11:08S8: I write. When I start writing a prompt into AI,
- 11:12S8: I end up, uh, is there, there's a comma belong there?
- 11:15S8: Should I put a semicolon? I spend so much time
- 11:17S8: structuring the prompt, if I write it well, all these
- 11:21S8: language models are now coming out with voice prompting. So
- 11:24S8: you can click a little microphone button and just say, okay, hey,
- 11:28S8: here's kind of what I'm thinking right now and this
- 11:30S8: and kind of just ramble through an idea and it's
- 11:33S8: tracking that as you're, as you're mumbling through it and
- 11:36S8: it will come up with, you know, a response to
- 11:38S8: just a voice prompt and, and the, the levels of
- 11:42S8: sophistication really in the last week or so have just
- 11:45S8: been immense. So two weeks ago, you and I were
- 11:48S8: talking about this and I came up, voice prompted an
- 11:51S8: idea to come up with an app to help people
- 11:55S8: with evangelism training. And so you and I were talking
- 11:59S8: last week about, uh, about the gifts of the spirit.
- 12:01S8: And I said, well, everybody's kind of heard about doing
- 12:04S8: a spiritual gift inventory. So I just went to AI
- 12:08S8: and said, here's kind of what I'm thinking. Here's some
- 12:09S8: of the hesitation about using an inventory like that. And
- 12:13S8: here's the ones I've done before, and I didn't like
- 12:16S8: the output of this. And so interview me, which is
- 12:19S8: a great ally, a great two word prompt, interview me,
- 12:22S8: challenge me with some, some questions that would help you
- 12:25S8: develop AI, develop an app to help people determine their
- 12:30S8: spiritual inventory and then how to apply it in a church.
- 12:34S8: So I just started tweaking it from there. It took
- 12:37S8: a long time to build. It was maybe 2 or
- 12:39S8: 3 minutes and boom, there it was. And I sent
- 12:43S8: it to you right away. And, uh. And here we are.
- 12:45S8: So it's live. Ready to go.
- 12:47S5: Hold it. You mean to tell me that this spiritual
- 12:49S5: gifts inventory was 2 to 3 minutes of voice prompting?
- 12:53S8: Yeah. Sorry it took that long. That was mostly just
- 12:55S8: me rambling, but yeah, it just. And in no, in
- 13:00S8: no time at all.
- 13:01S5: Like that.
- 13:01S8: Asked me a couple of questions and I really didn't
- 13:03S8: spend any time on what it looks like. I could
- 13:05S8: have said, hey, this looks great, but go change the
- 13:08S8: color to blue and green instead of match. Have it
- 13:10S8: matched cast and crew logo. It could have done all that.
- 13:13S8: I could have tweaked it all day long, but I
- 13:15S8: just wanted to see what the output would be. And
- 13:17S8: the app interviews me. So, you know, in a in
- 13:20S8: a spiritual setting, are you more or less likely to
- 13:23S8: be this or that? Or what do people say about
- 13:25S8: this or that about you? So it takes a couple
- 13:27S8: of minutes to interview you and then boom, boom, there
- 13:31S8: it is, the output of your spiritual gift according to Scripture,
- 13:35S8: the gifts outlined in Scripture. And then it came up
- 13:38S8: with the idea of what are some applications that I
- 13:42S8: can use these gifts in church? So you might want
- 13:46S8: to talk to your pastor about being on this kind
- 13:48S8: of committee, or you might want to pull some people
- 13:50S8: together and do this kind of work. So not only
- 13:52S8: it tells you the gift, uh, from Paul's writings and
- 13:56S8: through Scripture, but it says, here's some, here's some things
- 13:59S8: you can start doing today to exercise those gifts.
- 14:02S2: Yeah. Fantastic.
- 14:04S5: What do you think about this?
- 14:05S2: I love this and I, I took it myself and
- 14:08S2: you got to see where, you know, where some of
- 14:11S2: my spiritual gifts land. And I love that. I love
- 14:14S2: the examples. Drew. That's a great, great little addition of seeing.
- 14:18S2: For example, with this gift of administration, you could help
- 14:22S2: coordinate events, volunteers, schedules within your church, help build systems
- 14:26S2: for follow up, check in or ministry operations. Right? So
- 14:30S2: practical because these are these fit so well with what
- 14:33S2: real churches and real people where the needs are. So
- 14:37S2: we have this for you. Just text drew to 805 557898.
- 14:43S2: You can get a look at it. Text drew to
- 14:45S2: 805 557898.
- 14:48S5: Yeah, something about this super and I took it as well.
- 14:52S5: I think it's important for people. The one thing about
- 14:55S5: this is it's really important to be honest with yourself.
- 14:59S2: Yes.
- 15:00S5: And you feel that too, Ali.
- 15:02S2: Absolutely. Because sometimes it feels weird to say this is
- 15:05S2: not at all true of me because it feels like
- 15:06S2: it's something that should be.
- 15:08S5: That's exactly the point. And we need to be careful
- 15:11S5: with that. And I noticed that what I was doing,
- 15:14S5: there's like five, there are five options that you can
- 15:17S5: click with regard to it. Mhm. Um, what are the five.
- 15:20S5: Do you have them there, Ali.
- 15:21S6: Uh, I'd.
- 15:22S2: Have to start the assessment.
- 15:23S5: Okay.
- 15:24S2: So again.
- 15:24S5: But it's basically very true of me, somewhat true of
- 15:27S5: me from time to time. That's that middle ground. Not
- 15:32S5: obviously true of me or not at all. The tendency
- 15:36S5: is to look at this just what Ali said. So
- 15:38S5: I'm going to do something cautionary here. The tendency is
- 15:41S5: to think, oh, I'm not very spiritual if I know,
- 15:44S5: don't do that. Yeah, these are spiritual gifts. This is
- 15:47S5: the goal is not to have all of these. It's
- 15:50S5: to help determine how may have God truly gifted you. Now,
- 15:55S5: I think that the working out of this is best
- 15:57S5: done in the body of Christ, where people can then
- 16:00S5: see that expression of a gift at work. Yeah. Give
- 16:03S5: us a thought on that one, drew, because you're you're
- 16:06S5: a heart for the body of Christ. We don't want
- 16:08S5: to just leave it all with AI.
- 16:10S8: Yeah, I love coming back to that point. And one
- 16:12S8: of the things that it brought up to me when
- 16:14S8: it was interviewing me about this is it reinforced that
- 16:18S8: it was like, take this, because what it does is
- 16:20S8: it scores all of the spiritual gifts, 13, 14, 15
- 16:24S8: of them, and it ranks them for you. So here's
- 16:26S8: the top one. Here's the second, third, fourth, fifth. But
- 16:29S8: then it encourages you to take this, take the top
- 16:33S8: 2 or 3 and go to a friend of yours
- 16:34S8: that knows you really well and sit down with them,
- 16:37S8: have coffee, have the conversation and say, what do you
- 16:39S8: think about this? I'm always about bringing AI back into community.
- 16:43S8: Bring it back to your home group. Bring it to
- 16:45S8: a pastor. So I would really ally really reinforce that
- 16:48S8: Carl is keep it in our humanity and community and
- 16:53S8: sit down with someone and say, here's, here's what it said.
- 16:55S8: What do you think about that? And let you and
- 16:57S8: I work through this together?
- 16:58S5: Yeah, this is the beginning, not the end. And it's
- 17:01S5: the beginning of a great discovery. I am so grateful
- 17:03S5: to you, drew, for this. This is an amazing tool
- 17:07S5: and it's so beautiful. I can't believe it was spit
- 17:11S5: out that quickly. Ali.
- 17:12S2: I know in the simplicity of it, the straightforwardness of it,
- 17:15S2: I think you're going to enjoy this. And again, be
- 17:18S2: honest with your answers, because this can only help all
- 17:22S2: of us to grow and to see where God might
- 17:25S2: have us be serving or leading. Just text drew to
- 17:28S2: 805 57898 drew to 805 5578, 98.
- 17:36S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
- 17:39S1: cast and crew.
- 17:41S5: Yeah. I think one of the coolest things about what
- 17:44S5: we're doing right now this morning, if you're if you're
- 17:47S5: just tuning in, come on, get in the raft. We're
- 17:49S5: going down some swift water right now. This is beautiful.
- 17:52S5: And what a ride we're having. Drew Dickens used his
- 17:56S5: gifts to build up the body of Christ today. That's
- 18:00S5: how practical this gets.
- 18:01S6: Very much.
- 18:02S3: Goodness.
- 18:02S5: Yeah, that's how practical this gets. Uh, so it's, I
- 18:07S5: there's two things that we want to ask you. What
- 18:09S5: was confirmed for you or what surprised you if you've
- 18:13S5: just taken this assessment, I'm asking you to light up
- 18:16S5: the phone lines. Let's and here's why. Some of you
- 18:19S5: are flat out excited. It's like, man, this just confirms
- 18:22S5: something for me. Or this surprised me. Maybe what I thought,
- 18:27S5: wasn't it as high as I thought it would have
- 18:30S5: been on this inventory, but this took first place, and
- 18:33S5: that's kind of shocking. Or whatever your hot take is
- 18:36S5: on taking this assessment. Give us a call, would you?
- 18:40S5: 805 557898. We want to hear your voice. We want
- 18:44S5: to hear your feedback. 800 555, 7898 and again, if
- 18:50S5: you haven't taken the assessment yet, it's as simple as texting.
- 18:53S5: The word drew to 805 557898. This will be our
- 19:00S5: most downloaded link possibly ever. It might by the end
- 19:04S5: of this week. I think it I think it will
- 19:06S5: be I hope we've got a way to track this. Uh, yeah,
- 19:10S5: we can look at date when drew came in here,
- 19:13S5: but this is this is that important text drew to
- 19:16S5: 805 557898. I would say it takes to do it rightly. Oh,
- 19:23S5: let's give some real cautionary stuff here. There's five different
- 19:26S5: options for what you can click like. This is really
- 19:29S5: true of me answering each of the questions. Kind of
- 19:32S5: somewhat true of me. Uh, from time to time. It's
- 19:36S5: true of me. That's kind of the middle ground. Rarely
- 19:38S5: true of me or not true of me at all.
- 19:40S5: Or think it's questions like that. Be honest to God
- 19:44S5: and with yourself. This is you're not less spiritual because
- 19:48S5: on the issue of mercy, let me take that one,
- 19:51S5: because that's a question that kind of leans toward mercy.
- 19:55S5: Don't get all wigged out and go, oh my goodness, man,
- 19:58S5: I'm such a I'm a codger, you know, I'm a codger,
- 20:03S5: a meanie. Yeah. I'm mean.
- 20:05S3: Yeah.
- 20:06S5: No no no, don't go there.
- 20:08S3: It's not anything to be ashamed of. I mean, I
- 20:10S3: look at my bottom and yeah. Like it. There are
- 20:13S3: things that I don't, I don't have in terms of
- 20:16S3: my there there at the bottom of my list. Like
- 20:18S3: for me, I scored 0% on administration and leadership. I
- 20:23S3: don't have administration and leadership gifts. Those are not the
- 20:26S3: spiritual gifts God gifted me.
- 20:28S5: Isn't that fascinating?
- 20:29S3: I'm okay with that. That doesn't bother me that I
- 20:31S3: don't have those things because that's just not how God
- 20:34S3: made me.
- 20:35S5: So what was at the top end?
- 20:36S3: At the top end, I had, uh, teaching was my,
- 20:40S3: was my number one, which I, you know, that doesn't
- 20:42S3: surprise me at all. And then I had two tied
- 20:44S3: for second. Uh, this one did surprise me. Uh, exhortation was,
- 20:48S3: was one of my top gifts. And then faith. Um,
- 20:52S3: so exhortation surprised me. I didn't, I didn't expect to
- 20:56S3: grade out near the top on that one. Uh, but
- 20:59S3: I love how, how this kind of comes out because
- 21:01S3: you had, there's like an expandable dropdown tab from this.
- 21:04S3: And so I'll take my teaching one, for example, it
- 21:06S3: gives me practical ways to use this gift both inside
- 21:10S3: and outside the walls of the church. And then at
- 21:12S3: the end it says, your joy comes when the light
- 21:15S3: goes on in someone else's eyes. Very true of me.
- 21:18S3: Guard your study time. Stay teachable yourself and remember James
- 21:21S3: three one. Teach from a humble heart. And I love that.
- 21:25S3: It's just.
- 21:25S6: Like.
- 21:26S3: Hey, this is your gift. Now use it in this
- 21:29S3: way and, and remember, stay humble. So I kind of
- 21:32S3: love the encouragement that it's giving in the midst of
- 21:34S3: what it's telling me.
- 21:35S5: So cool. Yeah. Uh, after you take the assessment, what
- 21:39S5: surprised you? What was confirmed for you? Give us a call.
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- 21:46S5: So I invite you in. This is just this isn't
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- 21:51S5: very little gap of time. But but what surprised you
- 21:55S5: about the assessment or what was confirmed for you or clarified?
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- 22:09S5: 805 557898 Ali what do you say, sister?
- 22:13S2: Yeah, my number one one has actually surprised me a
- 22:16S2: little bit. Uh, actually, I had two that were tied, uh,
- 22:19S2: administration and leadership for were tied for.
- 22:23S5: That doesn't surprise me in.
- 22:26S6: The.
- 22:27S5: Least.
- 22:27S6: I need to.
- 22:27S5: Speak into your life right now. You are a really
- 22:30S5: good leader. You're more of a leader than you've given
- 22:33S5: yourself credit for in the past.
- 22:35S6: MM.
- 22:36S5: Okay. You really. And I need to speak that into you, Allie.
- 22:39S5: You you bring good leadership, um, to a lot of the.
- 22:44S5: And you're vying with a guy who's mine is pegged
- 22:47S5: at leadership. So I.
- 22:48S6: Mean.
- 22:49S2: Yeah, I mean, you're a natural leader.
- 22:51S5: But but you are too. It's just going to manifest
- 22:54S5: itself differently. And it does. And yet it's really there
- 22:59S5: and lining up ducks. Oh my word sister.
- 23:03S2: I think the leadership one was more surprising to the
- 23:06S2: to me than the administration one, the administration one that
- 23:10S2: is one that I gravitate towards organizing people and ideas
- 23:15S2: and kind of streamlining things. But the leadership was a
- 23:18S2: bit of a surprise for me.
- 23:19S5: And we benefit here as a team from you using
- 23:23S5: both of those gifts.
- 23:25S2: This is this is fascinating stuff. I feel like I'm
- 23:27S2: processing it in real time. I'm like, huh, Lord, you've
- 23:31S2: given me a leadership gift. I that's I didn't expect
- 23:34S2: that to be as high as it was.
- 23:36S5: But look what this will do for you. This is
- 23:38S5: going to open up a window that you have not
- 23:42S5: maybe looked through as intentionally before. Ali.
- 23:45S2: I would 100% agree.
- 23:47S5: Yeah, I'm 110 on this one for you. I you're
- 23:52S5: fired up.
- 23:53S2: For you leadership. I'm sure at the top. What was
- 23:56S2: what was what else was at the top for you.
- 23:58S5: I do not have it open. Okay. But but but
- 24:02S5: there I'm right. Right behind it is evangelism for me.
- 24:07S6: Okay.
- 24:08S5: Right behind it. It's it's a ways down, but it's
- 24:10S5: second line and I'm going to have to get mine
- 24:13S5: open back up again. But it's, it's fascinating. Very confirming,
- 24:18S5: very encouraging stuff. Super diet. Come on, sister, bring it
- 24:21S5: in here. What do you got?
- 24:23S6: Um, mine came out at 100% of mercy. No. Wow. No.
- 24:29S3: Thunk it.
- 24:30S5: You are kidding me. Well, I guess it doesn't work
- 24:33S5: for everybody.
- 24:34S6: Okay. We're done. And tongue in cheek here, folks. But Diane.
- 24:39S3: Is.
- 24:39S6: Merciful. Yeah, that that it was. It was no surprise.
- 24:43S6: But then in the same respect, it was like so
- 24:46S6: confirming in, in ways too. And I like the breakdown
- 24:49S6: as Ellie talks about even Jonathan mentioned, when you break
- 24:51S6: it down, it says, where can you use this inside
- 24:53S6: your church, beyond the walls, this and that. And then
- 24:55S6: it gives you a little paragraph at the bottom for
- 24:57S6: God's glory and your joy. And it gives you just
- 24:59S6: a little bit paragraph of because of this gift, it
- 25:03S6: says you present yourself to help lift burdens. But it
- 25:06S6: also mentions to me here under mercy that to guard
- 25:09S6: my own soul with rest and prayer, because then my
- 25:12S6: compassion become a burnout, and that I cannot bless others
- 25:15S6: with that gift that I have. I need to be careful.
- 25:17S6: That was a great piece of advice.
- 25:19S2: Yeah.
- 25:20S6: That little bit.
- 25:21S2: Oh. That's good.
- 25:22S6: And so true.
- 25:22S5: Oh, man. We are flat out giddy in here. If
- 25:25S5: you're just waking up. Ali, tell them the news.
- 25:28S2: We have a spiritual gifts inventory assessment that we want
- 25:32S2: every single person listening to take. There's no paywall here.
- 25:36S2: There's no put your email address to get the results.
- 25:39S2: It's really very straightforward, simple, easy to take. Just text
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- 25:48S2: with some help from AI on this one. Just text
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- 26:00S5: And taking your phone calls will get them in here
- 26:02S5: really quickly. Same number 805 557898. What surprised you or
- 26:07S5: what was confirmed for you? Lindsey in Sarasota, Florida. What
- 26:11S5: do you say, Linds?
- 26:13S9: Um, so I was completely at 100% at Discernment and Mercy,
- 26:17S9: and it was like I could cry because it's just
- 26:20S9: it's something I've always felt. I've never really known what
- 26:23S9: my spiritual gifts are for certain. And it's been, um,
- 26:27S9: just I've always had like, I don't know, just in
- 26:31S9: layman's terms, I've always had like these gut feelings about
- 26:33S9: things and like things that just don't feel right or
- 26:35S9: feel icky. And then like I, I've always been told
- 26:39S9: I'm an empath and just really care about people and yeah. Um,
- 26:44S9: so it's just been really cool to see that. I mean,
- 26:46S9: just as an example, um, I, it's something I want
- 26:49S9: to get back into is I actually had a therapy
- 26:52S9: dog I used to take into nursing homes and hospitals.
- 26:54S9: And I always just time flew when I was doing
- 26:57S9: something like that. And just, you can always tell when, um,
- 27:02S9: certain people needed it more than other people. And just,
- 27:05S9: it was just. Yeah. So I'm just sitting here kind
- 27:08S9: of like, thanks God for like guiding me to this today. And, um,
- 27:11S9: and thank you for having such an easy tool to like,
- 27:15S9: figure this out and move forward and, and use these
- 27:19S9: gifts that God has blessed us with.
- 27:21S5: Yeah. Way to go. Linds. We're. Lindsey. I always shortened
- 27:24S5: names or nickname or whatever. Sorry about that. Lindsey. Lindsey,
- 27:28S5: let me ask you, do you ever get called Linds
- 27:30S5: by anyone else?
- 27:31S9: Oh. By everyone.
- 27:33S5: Good. Glad to hear I'm not the only one. Way
- 27:36S5: to go, Linds. Sarasota, Florida. It's the coolest tool going, guys.
- 27:40S2: And it's exciting because you. It reminds you that God
- 27:44S2: has given you gifts. Yes. Like there's. Nobody's going to
- 27:48S2: score a zero here. God's given you gifts.
- 27:52S5: Yeah. I mean, if you've got a pulse, you're going
- 27:54S5: to score something.
- 27:55S2: Absolutely. And if you're seeing that is exciting.
- 27:58S5: Yeah. I mean, when you're born again, God does something
- 28:02S5: inside you that is flat out extraordinary. If you're just
- 28:06S5: getting up, getting going, and some of you are, because
- 28:08S5: I see them flying out. Text the word drew to 805, five, 5557898.
- 28:13S5: Take this assessment. This is a phenomenal tool. We've got
- 28:18S5: one cautionary thing when you're taking it that's very important. Ali.
- 28:21S5: What is that.
- 28:22S2: Answer? Honestly saying that you are not at all something
- 28:26S2: or something is not true of you. Rarely is not
- 28:29S2: like getting a zero on the test. This is really
- 28:31S2: just helping hone, hone in. What are those gifts and
- 28:35S2: what are you less gifted in?
- 28:37S1: Standing on the rock each and every day you're listening
- 28:42S1: to Carl and crew.
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- 29:27S5: So you took it. Maybe you were surprised or confirmed
- 29:29S5: something for you. Give us a call (800) 555-7898. Uh, Suzanne
- 29:35S5: Cape Coral, Florida. What do you say?
- 29:38S10: Hi. Um, so nice to be able to speak with you.
- 29:42S10: I was actually praying on this yesterday and asking, God,
- 29:48S10: can you please give me discernment on what my spiritual
- 29:51S10: gift is? And I also didn't know how to figure
- 29:54S10: it out. So this was serendipitous that the the link
- 29:57S10: came in. And it turns out, funnily enough, that my
- 30:00S10: gift is discernment.
- 30:04S5: That's why you were asking for discernment. That's beautiful. That
- 30:08S5: is beautiful. And that's providential that you were here today.
- 30:12S5: Isn't that cool, Suzanne?
- 30:14S10: Absolutely. It was. It's a gift from God being able
- 30:18S10: to be in the word with you guys every single
- 30:21S10: day and hearing this exactly what I was asking him specifically.
- 30:26S10: Give me a way to discern this. So he always provides.
- 30:30S10: And I gave him a little nod and said, you're funny.
- 30:35S2: Suzanne. As you read through the description, did it confirm
- 30:39S2: some things, maybe where God's already been using you, or
- 30:42S2: was this a total surprise to me?
- 30:45S10: It was a little bit of a surprise just because
- 30:47S10: I tend to second guess myself a lot. Yes, this
- 30:52S10: is confirmation. To stop doing that and to be more
- 30:57S10: confident in the spirit.
- 30:59S11: Okay. That's big.
- 31:01S2: That's that's great feedback. Suzanne from Cape Coral, Florida, thank
- 31:05S2: you so much for sharing that with us.
- 31:06S5: Okay, that's.
- 31:07S11: Big.
- 31:08S5: Because second guessing ourselves is so common.
- 31:12S2: Yeah. Yes. Because you and I'll go back to what
- 31:15S2: I shared earlier. Like the leadership one was a surprise
- 31:18S2: for me. I find myself second guessing, like, I'll go
- 31:21S2: to step out because I believe that now I see
- 31:23S2: that's how God's gifted me. But I'll second guess and
- 31:26S2: pull back because it feels like, ah, no, no, no, no,
- 31:29S2: I should probably wait and let somebody else do it here.
- 31:32S2: But just like Suzanne, this is confirmation of no, no, no, no,
- 31:36S2: like trust that God's gifting you in this. So step
- 31:39S2: out and and do what God's gifted you to do.
- 31:43S3: Yeah. I think it's important to note that just because
- 31:46S3: God's gifting you in something doesn't mean that things aren't
- 31:49S3: scary when it comes to that thing.
- 31:51S2: Actually.
- 31:52S3: Say I, my, my top is teaching gift and I
- 31:55S3: get terrified every time I go up to, to preach
- 31:58S3: a sermon because it's scary and it's okay that it's scary.
- 32:03S3: It's not a bad thing, but it doesn't mean that
- 32:05S3: I'm not gifted in what God's given me.
- 32:07S5: Yeah, somebody had a good comment and a great question here,
- 32:11S5: and I want to answer it for you. I took
- 32:13S5: the assessment and scored where I thought I that I
- 32:16S5: was at, but I scored worse in evangelism, which is
- 32:20S5: the area that I wish I was better at. How
- 32:23S5: do I improve on a gift that I wish I had?
- 32:25S5: So we're all called to do the work of an
- 32:27S5: evangelist and we're all. Yeah. In mercy, you may not
- 32:31S5: score high. You may score at the bottom of the
- 32:33S5: barrel on mercy. But we all extend mercy at times.
- 32:37S5: It may not be our giftedness to the body of Christ.
- 32:40S5: There's others that are stronger in that. But with regard
- 32:42S5: to evangelism, here's what I want everyone to hear. The
- 32:46S5: greatest thing you can be armed with is a fresh
- 32:50S5: story of what God's doing in your life today, what
- 32:53S5: he did to save your soul, and what he's doing
- 32:56S5: in your life today. And that could even be turned
- 32:59S5: into for you who texted us here and gave us
- 33:03S5: that question for you. That could even be a testimony
- 33:07S5: to how God is using you in the gifting that
- 33:09S5: God's given you. So there can be lots of ways
- 33:13S5: that we share evangelistically, but the most profound way that
- 33:18S5: we find over and over again, and I get this
- 33:20S5: out of acts 26. This is very important. When the
- 33:25S5: apostle Paul stood before Agrippa in three minutes, and I
- 33:31S5: think I timed this one time at reading speed, it's
- 33:33S5: like three minutes and 10s in just normal reading speed,
- 33:37S5: three minutes and 10s. He shared his entire story past, present, future.
- 33:42S5: And then he went on to say to Agrippa, and
- 33:44S5: he said, and this God is helping me to this
- 33:46S5: very day. His story was used so mightily that it
- 33:51S5: rattled Agrippa. And Agrippa looked at him and said, do
- 33:54S5: you think you're going to turn me on to Jesus
- 33:56S5: in such a short time? Meaning, quit messing with me, man.
- 34:02S5: That's what he was saying. Don't mess with me. So
- 34:07S5: whether you have a gift of an evangelist or not,
- 34:10S5: we can all do the work in your story matters.
- 34:13S5: Because what God did in you, he did in you.
- 34:15S5: And no one can take your story from you. I
- 34:20S5: love getting questions like this. Love it. Boy, these things
- 34:24S5: are going out like cordwood here. If you want to
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- 34:48S5: word on this one, Ali.
- 34:50S2: I'm just grateful that there are resources like this. And
- 34:53S2: this is a great way that he leveraged AI, you know,
- 34:57S2: to be able to take the Word of God and
- 35:00S2: help synthesize it and help us see how God has
- 35:02S2: gifted us, you and me, because we're all gifted.
- 35:07S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
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- 35:16S5: What was confirmed through this assessment or even surprised you?
- 35:20S5: 805 557898 some of you, uh, need this key word
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- 35:29S5: As in Doctor Drew Dickens DREW to 805 557898. Grab
- 35:36S5: that link and you're going to have everything you need
- 35:38S5: right there. It's one of the most encouraging links we've
- 35:40S5: ever sent out to you. Boom crew.
- 35:41S2: It really is. And if for some reason you do
- 35:43S2: not get the link, because we've heard from a couple
- 35:45S2: of people, I think some carriers are thinking that this
- 35:48S2: is spam. Just text us if you don't get it
- 35:50S2: and we'll send it to you directly. And that seems
- 35:52S2: to solve the issue. So just let us know if
- 35:54S2: you're not getting it.
- 35:56S5: So you took it. Maybe you were surprised or confirmed
- 35:58S5: something for you. Give us a call 805 557898. Suzanne.
- 36:04S5: Cape Coral, Florida. What do you say?
- 36:07S10: Hi. Um, so nice to be able to speak with you.
- 36:11S10: I was actually praying on this yesterday and asking God,
- 36:17S10: can you please give me discernment on what my spiritual
- 36:20S10: gift is? And I also didn't know how to figure
- 36:23S10: it out. So this was serendipitous that the the link
- 36:26S10: came in. And it turns out, funnily enough, that my
- 36:29S10: gift is discernment.
- 36:33S11: That's why you were asking for discernment.
- 36:35S5: That's beautiful. That is beautiful. And that's providential that you
- 36:40S5: were here today. Isn't that cool, Suzanne?
- 36:43S10: Absolutely. It was. It's a gift from God being able
- 36:47S10: to be in the word with you guys every single
- 36:50S10: day and hearing this exactly what I was asking him specifically.
- 36:55S10: Give me a way to discern this. So he always provides.
- 36:59S10: And I gave him a little nod and said, you're funny.
- 37:04S2: Suzanne. As you read through the description, did it confirm
- 37:08S2: some things, maybe where God's already been using you, or
- 37:11S2: was this a total surprise to me?
- 37:14S10: It was a little bit of a surprise just because
- 37:16S10: I tend to second guess myself a lot. Yes, this
- 37:21S10: was confirmation. To stop doing that and to be more
- 37:26S10: confident in the spirit.
- 37:28S11: Okay. That's big.
- 37:30S2: That's that's great feedback. Suzanne from Cape Coral, Florida, thank
- 37:33S2: you so much for sharing that with us.
- 37:35S11: Okay.
- 37:36S5: That's big because second guessing ourselves is so common.
- 37:41S2: Yeah. Yes. Because you and I'll go back to what
- 37:44S2: I shared earlier. Like the leadership one was a surprise
- 37:47S2: for me. I find myself second guessing like I'll go
- 37:50S2: to step out because I believe that now I see
- 37:52S2: that's how God's gifted me. But I'll second guess and
- 37:55S2: pull back because it feels like, ah, no, no, no, no,
- 37:58S2: I should probably wait and let somebody else do it here.
- 38:01S2: But just like Suzanne, this is confirmation of no, no, no, no,
- 38:05S2: like trust that God's gifting you in this. So step
- 38:08S2: out and and do what God's gifted you to do.
- 38:12S3: Yeah. I think it's important to note that just because
- 38:15S3: God's gifted you in something doesn't mean that things aren't scary.
- 38:19S3: When it comes to that thing.
- 38:20S2: I would.
- 38:21S3: Say I, my, my top is teaching gift and I
- 38:24S3: get terrified every time I go up to, to preach
- 38:27S3: a sermon because it's scary and it's okay that it's scary.
- 38:31S3: It's not a bad thing, but it doesn't mean that
- 38:34S3: I'm not gifted in what God's given me.
- 38:36S5: Yeah, somebody had a good comment and a great question here,
- 38:40S5: and I want to answer it for you. I took
- 38:42S5: the assessment and scored where I thought I that I
- 38:45S5: was at, but I scored worse in evangelism, which is
- 38:49S5: the area that I wish I was better at. How
- 38:52S5: do I improve on a gift that I wish I had?
- 38:55S5: So we're all called to do the work of an
- 38:56S5: evangelist and we're all, yeah. In mercy, you may not
- 39:00S5: score high. You may score at the bottom of the
- 39:02S5: barrel on mercy. But we all extend mercy at times.
- 39:06S5: It may not be our giftedness to the body of Christ.
- 39:09S5: There's others that are stronger in that. But with regard
- 39:11S5: to evangelism, here's what I want everyone to hear. The
- 39:15S5: greatest thing you can be armed with is a fresh
- 39:19S5: story of what God's doing in your life today, what
- 39:22S5: he did to save your soul and what he's doing
- 39:25S5: in your life today. And that could even be turned
- 39:28S5: into for you who texted us here and gave us
- 39:32S5: that question for you. That could even be a testimony
- 39:36S5: to how God is using you in the gifting that
- 39:38S5: God's given you. So there can be lots of ways
- 39:42S5: that we share evangelistically, but the most profound way that
- 39:47S5: we find over and over again, and I get this
- 39:49S5: out of acts 26, This is very important. When the
- 39:54S5: apostle Paul stood before Agrippa in three minutes, and I
- 40:00S5: think I timed this one time at reading speed, it's
- 40:02S5: like three minutes and 10s and just normal reading speed.
- 40:06S5: Three minutes and 10s. He shared his entire story past, present, future.
- 40:11S5: And then he went on to say to Agrippa, and
- 40:13S5: he said, and this God is helping me to this
- 40:15S5: very day. His story was used so mightily that it
- 40:20S5: rattled Agrippa. And Agrippa looked at him and said, do
- 40:23S5: you think you're going to turn me on to Jesus
- 40:25S5: in such a short time? Meaning, quit messing with me, man.
- 40:31S5: That's what he was saying. Don't mess with me. So
- 40:36S5: whether you have a gift of an evangelist or not,
- 40:39S5: we can all do the work in your story matters.
- 40:42S5: Because what God did in you, he did in you.
- 40:44S5: And no one can take your story from you. I
- 40:49S5: love getting questions like this. Love it. Boy, these things
- 40:53S5: are going out like cordwood here. If you want to
- 40:56S5: get this assessment and pass it on to others, use it.
- 40:59S5: No cost, no data capture. It's all free. And it's
- 41:02S5: a phenomenal tool from Drew Dickens himself. So that is
- 41:06S5: the key word. Drew Tex drew to 805, five, five, 78, 98.
- 41:12S5: One word drew to 805, five, five, 78, 98. Final
- 41:17S5: word on this one, Ali.
- 41:19S2: I'm just grateful that there are resources like this. And
- 41:22S2: this is a great way that he leveraged AI, you know,
- 41:26S2: to be able to take the Word of God and
- 41:29S2: help synthesize it and help us see how God has
- 41:31S2: gifted us, you and me, because we're all gifted.
- 41:35S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio, and then
- 41:38S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew, it's Carl
- 41:43S1: and crew on Moody radio.
- 41:45S11: Boy, have we got a treat right now.
- 41:46S5: Boom.
- 41:47S11: Crew Doctor.
- 41:48S5: Rick Nelson. I'm not going to do some lead in question.
- 41:51S5: We're going to get the bio here. He is the
- 41:53S5: 11th president of Moody Bible Institute. And he began here
- 41:58S5: August 17th. So I look at my calendar. That's just
- 42:01S5: a few days ago. So you got it all figured out,
- 42:03S5: doc ready to roll here?
- 42:04S12: Well, we're one week in, so we definitely have things
- 42:07S12: ready to say that yet. But I will say it
- 42:10S12: has been an incredible first week. I met our returning
- 42:13S12: students and our new students last week, and new families
- 42:16S12: who are joining the moody community, and it has been
- 42:19S12: a splendid week. So I love our faculty and staff
- 42:22S12: that I've met so far here in the Chicago campus,
- 42:25S12: and I can't wait to meet the rest of the
- 42:26S12: moody community.
- 42:28S5: Well, it is a thrill to have you speaking to
- 42:30S5: a large number of people, about 850,000 listeners a week
- 42:35S5: here to Carl and crew. And so you've got you
- 42:37S5: got us by the the ear, but mainly by the heart,
- 42:40S5: because that's what I want to do is hear your heart.
- 42:43S5: I want to begin with some blue sky vision. Let's
- 42:45S5: go out. If you could look back maybe five years
- 42:49S5: from now, what do you want to see? Not what
- 42:53S5: Doctor Rick Nelson, but through the eyes of Scripture and
- 42:57S5: by the prompting of the spirit, what is your hope?
- 43:01S12: Well, I think I would say the same thing that
- 43:03S12: I've been saying probably through this entire process of coming
- 43:05S12: to Moody. Of course, Moody is 140 years old, which
- 43:08S12: is a remarkable story in and of itself. And to
- 43:11S12: think about what God has done in and through this institute,
- 43:14S12: through publishing, through radio is really remarkable. There's nothing like it. Right? So,
- 43:19S12: you know, one of the things I've shared is that
- 43:21S12: my heart really is for our mission. That's been the
- 43:24S12: same mission that we've had before preparing and equipping believers
- 43:27S12: and practically training believers, being encouraging, continuing to encourage those
- 43:32S12: through publishing and through radio and the work that you do,
- 43:35S12: Carl and crew. I mean, I get to join you
- 43:37S12: in the work that you're doing, which is incredible. So,
- 43:40S12: I mean, this is this is really a remarkable stewardship
- 43:43S12: opportunity for kingdom Impact. And I love our vision. It's
- 43:46S12: our founding vision, and that's to make the gospel available
- 43:49S12: to every person. So if in our lifetime, we would
- 43:52S12: see that in five years, I pray that we've reached
- 43:54S12: more people. I pray that we've doubled our impact. I
- 43:56S12: pray that we continue to further the kingdom because of
- 43:59S12: the work that God has called us to do. And,
- 44:01S12: you know, I got to tell you, when I meet
- 44:02S12: our students and they're on fire for Jesus and they're
- 44:04S12: excited about the calling that's on their life, I know
- 44:07S12: that we have the next generation ready to go. And
- 44:09S12: I know that you're equipping right now on the radio,
- 44:11S12: those listeners and those believers who are doing that in
- 44:13S12: their local church, in their local communities, you know, Moody
- 44:16S12: Bible Institute is not the church, but we partner with
- 44:19S12: the church, we serve the church, we we come alongside
- 44:22S12: the church. And we are so excited about what is
- 44:24S12: God doing. So if we look five years out, I
- 44:26S12: would want to see more people reached with the gospel
- 44:29S12: and that we're making the gospel available to every person.
- 44:32S5: Love it. Doctor Rick Nelson he is the 11th president
- 44:35S5: now of Moody Bible Institute. We live in a different culture,
- 44:40S5: different time. My dad was a faithful man of God,
- 44:44S5: and he passed away when he was 95. Here several
- 44:46S5: years ago, a Godward guy. I don't think my dad
- 44:51S5: would recognize the political social landscape. It would shock him.
- 44:56S5: Just been gone now in a cloud of witnesses now
- 45:00S5: for a few years. You're at the helm and it's
- 45:04S5: going to get tough for Bible preaching churches, institutes like ours.
- 45:10S5: Moody Bible Institute that's committed to the Word of God.
- 45:13S5: I know you are. And boom crew, you need to
- 45:15S5: know this. We're not going to get weak in the
- 45:17S5: knees here around the gospel.
- 45:18S12: That's right, that's right.
- 45:20S5: Yeah. So build on that. How do we stand without
- 45:24S5: being angry? Evangelicals is what I label them. How do
- 45:27S5: we stand for truth in a culture that's sliding sideways here, doc?
- 45:32S12: Well, I think that's the reality. You know, I mean,
- 45:34S12: all cultures are dealing with this. You know, there's moral
- 45:36S12: relativism that we've been dealing with for decades. And, you know,
- 45:39S12: we certainly live in a pluralistic society. But I will
- 45:42S12: say this the Word of God, the truth of God's Word,
- 45:45S12: never changes. And the same God of yesterday, the same
- 45:47S12: God of today, the same God of tomorrow, reveals himself
- 45:51S12: through his written word and speaks to us through His Word.
- 45:53S12: And that doesn't change. That doesn't change. You know the
- 45:56S12: same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. And I'm super encouraged by
- 46:00S12: the conversations that I'm having with pastors and local churches,
- 46:03S12: with believers in their local church, with our students, with
- 46:06S12: our faculty and staff who are on the front lines,
- 46:09S12: who and myself as well. You know, whether I'm on
- 46:11S12: the plane sharing the gospel with someone, whether I'm in
- 46:13S12: a church preaching the gospel, there are open listening ears
- 46:17S12: that are eager to hear and continue to grow in
- 46:19S12: their faith. And that's one of the things I love
- 46:21S12: about Moody Bible Institute. We've been practically training and equipping
- 46:24S12: the believer for 140 years. So yeah, I think the
- 46:28S12: the world continues to change around us. The political landscape
- 46:31S12: changes up and down in different ways, leftward and rightward.
- 46:34S12: And I think, you know, the reality is the word
- 46:36S12: of God never changes. His word never returns void, and
- 46:40S12: we can continue to trust in the Word of God.
- 46:43S12: And that's one thing I just want to say. You know,
- 46:45S12: one thing we talk about our mission and our vision.
- 46:47S12: One thing that will not change is our commitment to
- 46:49S12: the authority of God's Word, the inerrant, infallible, sufficient Word
- 46:53S12: of God. And that is what sustains us. That is
- 46:56S12: what keeps us. And as a good friend of mine said,
- 46:58S12: that is our middle name Bible. So we are Moody
- 47:01S12: Bible Institute.
- 47:03S5: Oh that's awesome. Again, Doctor Rick Nelson, my guest. He's
- 47:06S5: the brand new president of Moody Bible Institute. So I
- 47:09S5: want you to go back, uh, in your history. And
- 47:13S5: I want you to think about one of the toughest
- 47:16S5: leadership seasons you went through. I don't want the specifics
- 47:20S5: of what made it tough, but what did you learn
- 47:23S5: and how did you learn through that season?
- 47:26S12: Yeah, you know, I've been so blessed. My incredible opportunities. I,
- 47:30S12: I just celebrated my 58th birthday. My wife and I
- 47:33S12: have been married for 38 years. We've been in life
- 47:36S12: and ministry together. So 20 years of ministry, 20 years
- 47:39S12: of higher education. And, you know, it's a remarkable story
- 47:41S12: of God's faithfulness to us both in our marriage and
- 47:44S12: in our life. And we have three wonderful children and
- 47:46S12: a grandson and a daughter in law. And all of
- 47:49S12: these things that God has provided us, the gifts of,
- 47:52S12: of life and ministry and, and fruitfulness are incredible. But,
- 47:56S12: you know, there are seasons that, that are difficult in
- 47:59S12: all of those realms, right? Whether it's family or church or,
- 48:02S12: or any of those aspects. And God has sustained us through,
- 48:05S12: you know, difficult seasons. And I think the one thing,
- 48:08S12: you know, turning to him, being reminded of his faithfulness,
- 48:11S12: I was just speaking to our students from Lamentations three
- 48:15S12: when Jeremiah says, for this I call to mind, the
- 48:18S12: steadfast love of the Lord never ceases. His mercies are
- 48:21S12: new every morning. For what? For great is his faithfulness.
- 48:24S12: So you know my faithfulness as a as a leader,
- 48:28S12: as a president, as a pastor is because of God's
- 48:31S12: faithfulness throughout our seasons. And, you know, I mean, there's,
- 48:35S12: I could give you examples from, you know, a week
- 48:37S12: or two ago, you know, of good of challenges in
- 48:39S12: our life, right? I mean, this world doesn't promise an
- 48:42S12: easy life. And, and the Christian life is one of
- 48:45S12: suffering and challenge and difficulties. And, you know, I talked
- 48:48S12: to a parent just the other day who has a
- 48:51S12: son who's at Moody Bible Institute and his grandfather just
- 48:55S12: passed away over the weekend. And, you know, so I'm
- 48:57S12: ministering to that family. And at the same time, you know,
- 48:59S12: challenges that will face us in different realms and different realities.
- 49:02S12: And God has sustained us through all of those things, whether,
- 49:06S12: you know, seasons of plenty or seasons of what God
- 49:08S12: has always sustained, has always cared for us and always
- 49:11S12: carried us through. And it's because of that faithfulness, because
- 49:14S12: I've seen it. I'm old enough to see I've got
- 49:15S12: enough gray hair. You can see I'm old enough to
- 49:17S12: see God's faithfulness, that I can know of his promise
- 49:20S12: of faithfulness that will continue into the future.
- 49:22S5: Yeah, yeah. Looking back helps us in what we're in
- 49:25S5: and in the future, I love it. Doctor Rick Nelson,
- 49:28S5: my guest. Okay. There's also been sky high mountain top experiences.
- 49:34S5: They don't last long, but they're beautiful. As you look
- 49:38S5: back at seasons of ministry. I have two seasons in
- 49:43S5: my life that my bride and I consider to be
- 49:45S5: many awakenings that we were a part of. My prayer
- 49:49S5: was at the core of that. Now, I'm not asking
- 49:51S5: you to follow suit. I'm not doing a leading question here.
- 49:54S5: I genuinely mean this. If you look at a couple
- 49:57S5: of really high points in ministry, what contributed to that?
- 50:02S5: What was the lead in what was God doing that
- 50:05S5: led to that, uh, that moment of, wow, look at
- 50:11S5: what God is doing here.
- 50:12S12: Yeah. You know, I'm reminded Billy Graham said, you know,
- 50:14S12: there are mountaintop experiences, but it's in the valleys that
- 50:17S12: we see the growth and the green grass, right? So
- 50:20S12: the mountaintop experiences are great. We can look back over
- 50:22S12: and we can see them. We can see what God
- 50:23S12: is doing there, but he really grows us through the valleys, right?
- 50:26S12: And he, he takes us through seasons of challenge and
- 50:29S12: difficulty and, and emerging from that. Then oftentimes comes these
- 50:33S12: mountaintop experiences, and I can trace you all the way
- 50:36S12: back to early childhood experiences of going to camps and
- 50:40S12: having incredible camp experiences where my mind was illuminated by
- 50:44S12: the Word of God, and the Spirit of God dwelt
- 50:46S12: within me because of those experiences. And so I came
- 50:49S12: to know Christ as a nine year old through my parents,
- 50:52S12: leading me to Christ and through an incredible local church
- 50:55S12: where I met my wife and where I was called
- 50:56S12: to ministry, where I was sent out to ministry. And
- 50:58S12: that set me on an incredible trajectory. And throughout those experiences,
- 51:01S12: you know, there's been lots of experiences, whether they're in
- 51:03S12: the local church or whether they're through mentoring students or
- 51:07S12: they're in the classroom where God shows up in a
- 51:10S12: way that's just palpable. And you can look back and
- 51:12S12: you can see that sometimes it's just in a small
- 51:14S12: group of prayer, and the Spirit of God is alive
- 51:18S12: in that room, and you can feel it palpably knowing
- 51:20S12: that God is there and he is here, and he
- 51:24S12: is near. And one of the things I talk about
- 51:25S12: a lot is, you know, we are great about the
- 51:27S12: transcendence of God, that God is big and that he
- 51:29S12: is amazing. But we also have to be reminded of
- 51:32S12: the imminence of God that he is here and that
- 51:34S12: he is near and that he cares for us right now.
- 51:36S12: Even in the midst of this conversation, the Holy Spirit
- 51:38S12: is guiding us and speaking through us, encouraging us and
- 51:41S12: empowering us. And, you know, one of the things I
- 51:43S12: love about the fruits of the spirit, love and joy
- 51:45S12: and peace and kindness and goodness and faithfulness and gentleness
- 51:48S12: and self-control that when we became believers, we got the
- 51:51S12: full measure of those gifts. And the spirit of the
- 51:54S12: Lord is in us. And we don't just get a
- 51:56S12: little dabble of here and a little dabble of there.
- 51:58S12: But when the spirit empowers us and those moments happen,
- 52:01S12: and those experiences, the mountaintop experiences that we can look
- 52:03S12: back over again, they remind us of God's faithfulness in
- 52:06S12: our life, and that encourages me today. I hope that
- 52:08S12: encourages our listeners. I hope that they can look back
- 52:10S12: in their own life. And when you're in the midst
- 52:12S12: of the valley, just take a moment to get perspective
- 52:14S12: and look back and see where God met you previously.
- 52:17S5: Big time. Okay, a couple more quick ones. Spiritual gifts.
- 52:20S5: We're talking about them all week long on Carl and crew,
- 52:23S5: and we've had great discussions. What are your top two
- 52:27S5: spiritual gifts?
- 52:29S12: Yeah, I would say leadership and vision. You know, God
- 52:31S12: really gave me a clear understanding of, you know, kind
- 52:35S12: of the administrative skills that he was equipping me with
- 52:38S12: very early in ministry. You know, I was called to
- 52:41S12: ministry as a 17 year old. I, I study undergrad,
- 52:44S12: I went to seminary and it was really in seminary
- 52:46S12: that I recognized that I had some administrative gifts. And
- 52:49S12: I loved the word administration because ministers right in the middle.
- 52:52S12: And that reminded me that ministry is bigger than, than
- 52:56S12: the small scope, maybe that sometimes we think of as
- 52:59S12: only a preaching pastor or youth pastor or missionary or
- 53:02S12: worship pastor. Those are the boxes that I had as
- 53:05S12: a 17 year old, and I was actually musically inclined.
- 53:08S12: My first degree is actually in music, and I was
- 53:11S12: pursuing that and actually did lead worship for a number
- 53:14S12: of years in the local church. And, you know, that
- 53:16S12: framed out much of my experience in preparation for that.
- 53:20S12: But then I began to recognize I had these administrative skills,
- 53:22S12: these leadership skills. And then I came to this realization
- 53:25S12: that I had vision skills, and I just thought everyone
- 53:28S12: saw the world like I saw. I thought everyone could
- 53:30S12: envision the future like I could. And then I realized, oh, wait, okay,
- 53:34S12: this must be a spiritual gift because God has given
- 53:37S12: me the ability to envision the future. And I don't
- 53:39S12: mean that in a mystical way. I mean just in
- 53:41S12: a in a sense of which God has given me
- 53:43S12: that gift of leadership and vision to see the future,
- 53:46S12: to invite others into that, to inspire a shared vision,
- 53:50S12: and then to lead people towards something greater than ourselves.
- 53:53S5: One last question, and this is a big one for me.
- 53:56S5: It's very personal. I confessed in a book that I
- 54:00S5: wrote a number of years ago that the Holy Spirit
- 54:03S5: was my lost God. I'm afraid it's the plight of
- 54:07S5: the evangelical Western Church Bible preaching. We saw so many
- 54:12S5: abuses in the Holy Spirit that we actually pendulum swung away.
- 54:17S5: I was reading one day in the Gospel of John,
- 54:20S5: and Jesus said, it's to your advantage that I go,
- 54:24S5: so I don't want to get into all the aspects
- 54:26S5: of the Holy Spirit, but simply that our founder, D.L. Moody,
- 54:30S5: really spiked the need for the working of the Holy Spirit.
- 54:34S5: The infilling, ongoing infilling. People ask me from time to time,
- 54:38S5: have you been filled with the Holy Spirit? And I say,
- 54:39S5: I hope many times today, uh, speak to that. It
- 54:45S5: has been true of us in the evangelical world that
- 54:48S5: we pendulum swung away from the Holy Spirit. How do
- 54:52S5: we reclaim being guided, directed, comforted, convicted by and led
- 54:57S5: by the spirit?
- 54:58S12: Yeah, absolutely. So Jesus is there with his disciples in
- 55:01S12: the upper room. And what you just mentioned from John
- 55:03S12: chapter 14, Jesus says, I'm going to give you a helper,
- 55:07S12: a Paraclete, someone to come alongside you, and I'm going
- 55:10S12: to leave you, but I'm going to leave you with
- 55:12S12: the Holy Spirit and that counselor, that guide, that helper,
- 55:16S12: the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, who literally comes beside us.
- 55:19S12: I mean, think about that, you know, like this person,
- 55:21S12: that shoulder to shoulder with us, and that's in life
- 55:24S12: and ministry. And it's not like the Holy Spirit comes
- 55:27S12: and goes. You know, he's not at the end of
- 55:29S12: the race cheering us on. He is running the race
- 55:32S12: with us side by side, all the way through from
- 55:34S12: beginning to end. And, you know, kind of going back
- 55:37S12: to the fruits of the spirit we talked about a
- 55:38S12: moment ago. You know, that's what we get to see.
- 55:40S12: Those are the visible signs of the fruit of the spirit.
- 55:42S12: But the Holy Spirit indwells within us, and we have
- 55:46S12: the power of the Holy Spirit every single day, in
- 55:49S12: every single moment. So, you know, I love just look
- 55:52S12: through Scripture so many times. I love when, for example,
- 55:55S12: Nehemiah is about to go speak to Artaxerxes. He gives
- 55:58S12: us what John Piper calls an arrow prayer. He just
- 56:00S12: shoots up an arrow, Lord, help me in this moment.
- 56:03S12: You know God is with us always. The Holy Spirit
- 56:06S12: is by our side throughout all of life. The power
- 56:09S12: dwells within us, and we just pray right now that
- 56:11S12: we would invite the Holy Spirit to lead us, to
- 56:13S12: guide us, to be that counselor, to be that comforter,
- 56:15S12: be that helper, to be that encourager, and lead us
- 56:18S12: through all of life. Listen, I can't do this on
- 56:19S12: my own. Every morning I get up before I. My
- 56:22S12: feet touched the ground. I say, God, I can't do
- 56:24S12: this on my own. I need your help. Who is
- 56:26S12: the help? The help is the Holy Spirit. He is
- 56:29S12: with us. He guides us. He comforts us. He encourages us,
- 56:32S12: and he helps us throughout even our day today.
- 56:34S5: Beautiful doctor Rick Nelson, everybody. 11th president of Moody Bible Institute.
- 56:41S5: And father, I just stop right now and say, in
- 56:43S5: the name of Jesus, would you allow our new friend
- 56:47S5: and leader to be filled with and to experience, as
- 56:52S5: Spurgeon called, the unction of the spirit God, make him
- 56:56S5: aware moment by moment. Would you protect him from the
- 57:01S5: onslaught of the world, the flesh, and the devil, and
- 57:03S5: give him an ear to hear as he leads what
- 57:06S5: your spirit is reminding us of in Your Word and
- 57:10S5: guiding us into, we pray in Jesus name. Amen.
- 57:13S12: Amen, Amen.
- 57:15S5: Thank you, doc, for being with us today.
- 57:17S12: Well, Carl, thanks for inviting me. I can't wait to
- 57:18S12: meet the rest of your listeners, all 850,000 of them.