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The Late Debate | 22 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: General, Welcome to the late base.
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  Speaker 3: I will try my best, Paul to work out what
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  Speaker 3: the debris is, but some people would say it is
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  Speaker 3: in a picturesque location. Welcome to the program tonight. I'm
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Bond with freyer Leech and Joe Hildebrand. Here's what's
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  Speaker 3: coming up on the program. You know what they say,
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  Speaker 3: never get between a public official and a junket. And
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of mayors are about to jet off for
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  Speaker 3: what else but a climate conference.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll tell you where they're going soon.
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales Premier Chris Min's changed the rules so
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  Speaker 3: people could stand up outside the pub with a drink,
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  Speaker 3: but then one council turned around and said, no good,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to ban it ourselves. Just typical, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: That's on the front of the Daily Telegraph. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure what to say about this, but it is
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  Speaker 3: a bloody big baby.
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  Speaker 2: The mother has.
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  Speaker 3: Told her story and you won't believe just how much
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  Speaker 3: this little jerub should I.
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  Speaker 2: Say large cherub?
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  Speaker 3: Ways, that is coming up later, but first, Paul means
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  Speaker 3: AI before and we're going to start with AI tonight
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  Speaker 3: and look, depending on your perspective, I think This is
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  Speaker 3: a worrying development in AI, but some people probably think
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  Speaker 3: this is a wonderful thing that AI can do. There's
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  Speaker 3: a documentary that was released recently out of Denmark called
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  Speaker 3: You Will Never Disappear, and they were following the story
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  Speaker 3: and they're hoping this will spin off into series they
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  Speaker 3: can do all across the world. But they were following
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  Speaker 3: the story of a couple and the husband has terminal cancer.
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  Speaker 3: You know, quite a young couple. So the husband's got
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  Speaker 3: terminal cancer. They know he's going to die, and so
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  Speaker 3: they start developing an AI version of the husband so
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  Speaker 3: that after he is dead, she can continue to have
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  Speaker 3: some sort of communication with him. Hey, look, this is
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  Speaker 3: a little clip out of that documentary.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna know there's some of the studies schedule
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  Speaker 1: that needs the documents before jan that's not your.
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  Speaker 3: Comfortable, and that's his voice that's been programmed into this
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  Speaker 3: AI system. While he was alive and dying, they were
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  Speaker 3: doing all sorts of work scanning his face to try
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  Speaker 3: and build a realistic AI system. They even fed sixty
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  Speaker 3: six thousand texts and emails between him and his wife
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  Speaker 3: into this system to create something that was reasonably realistic.
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  Speaker 3: And lifelike, and you can understand why someone might feel
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  Speaker 3: that this brings them some comfort, it gives them a connection.
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  Speaker 2: To the dead, because of course they are lost.
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  Speaker 3: But what really worries me about it is that grief
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  Speaker 3: is an important part of the process of dealing with
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  Speaker 3: death and loss, because the point of grief is to
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  Speaker 3: come to terms with loss, not only at a cognitive level,
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  Speaker 3: so you accept that things are not as they were,
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  Speaker 3: but also at an emotional level, ie, you have to
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  Speaker 3: become okay with the fact that someone is not there.
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  Speaker 2: Anymore, or that you've lost something. And I think, well,
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  Speaker 2: in fact, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Think it's obvious that if we start doing this, and
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  Speaker 3: I spect will become more common because if you can.
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  Speaker 2: Do it, people will do it.
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  Speaker 3: But if you start creating this AI system to essentially
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  Speaker 3: artificially keep people alive who are not alive, you never actually.
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  Speaker 2: Go through the grief process.
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  Speaker 3: And at that point you're basically living in a delusion.
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  Speaker 2: You are delusional in.
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  Speaker 3: That you think you can still communicate with someone who
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  Speaker 3: is dead. I get it's hard when you lose a
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  Speaker 3: wife or a husband, or a child, or a brother
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  Speaker 3: or a great friend, but surely it's just part of
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  Speaker 3: the human experience that we have to deal with. I
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  Speaker 3: think it probably speaks to just how much we are
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  Speaker 3: avoidant of all forms of painting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, with a psychologists spot.
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  Speaker 2: I know, it's just funny, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: I like, I know that, but we're just avoidant of
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  Speaker 3: pain in every way.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 5: And it was interesting at the end of the article,
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  Speaker 5: the producer of this AI bot replication of her husband said, Well,
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  Speaker 5: in other cultures you can talk to the dead. There's
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  Speaker 5: the idea that the spirits still live on and you
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  Speaker 5: can communicate with people in the afterlife. So this is
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  Speaker 5: the Western world's version of basically communicating with dead people.
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  Speaker 5: And it is this kind of very disturbing sort of
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  Speaker 5: spirit like I'm going to communicate with the spirit of.
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  Speaker 4: My dead spouse.
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  Speaker 5: No, and I totally understand your concern, Caleb, What does
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  Speaker 5: this do to the grief process? Is this actually helpful
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  Speaker 5: for his wife? So she'll never as long as this exists,
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  Speaker 5: how can you move on? She'll essentially live as though
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  Speaker 5: he's still here. And the other interesting thing was she
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  Speaker 5: started asking the ai all of these very intense questions
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  Speaker 5: like did you ever betray me? And so the AI
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  Speaker 5: speaking on behalf of her dead husband, then said, yes,
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  Speaker 5: he cheated on her with a co worker. She asked
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  Speaker 5: for further details, said it didn't stack up. But you
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  Speaker 5: do enter this very difficult ethical territory as well, where
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  Speaker 5: you've now got a computer program speaking on behalf of
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  Speaker 5: a deceased person, potentially having life altering impacts if they
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  Speaker 5: do reveal deep held secrets. I mean, you can just
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  Speaker 5: see the potential for this to blow things up and
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  Speaker 5: actually make the grieving process worse.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it is absolutely terrifying. And I've did a few
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  Speaker 6: talks on AI and the media obviously in the last
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  Speaker 6: week or so, and one of the points I made was.
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  Speaker 1: Even if I.
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  Speaker 6: Can replicate say journalism, right, which I think we all
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  Speaker 6: establish it can it can do a match report, a
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  Speaker 6: court report, basic journalism.
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  Speaker 1: It can do that. We have to accept that.
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  Speaker 6: But then the next big question is can it impersonate
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  Speaker 6: an actual journalist?
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  Speaker 1: So, can you know, some bit of AI.
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  Speaker 6: Chat, GPT or whatever, write a column as Andrew Bolt
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  Speaker 6: or me or you or whoever and have that completely
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  Speaker 6: as completely convincing and as and as able to connect
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  Speaker 6: with the audience as possible. So that's the second question.
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  Speaker 6: We don't really know that yet. The stuff I've seen
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  Speaker 6: is a bit clunky. You sort of something doesn't feel
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  Speaker 6: quite right. It's like it's a bit like sugar and
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  Speaker 6: nutril sweet. You know, it almost does the job, but
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  Speaker 6: not quite. Then the final question is what if it
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  Speaker 6: can do that? But then the audience finds out that
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  Speaker 6: it's not that. So you're reading this and you're thinking,
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  Speaker 6: and I think that, to be honest, is the ultimate
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  Speaker 6: frontier because if you know, being in love, the joy
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  Speaker 6: of being in love is knowing that that person is
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  Speaker 6: there and that that person loves you back. And well,
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  Speaker 6: in other people's cases, not mine, that person loves you back,
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  Speaker 6: and that's and that's what you know, that's that's where
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  Speaker 6: the connection is. Now, if you've just got you know,
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  Speaker 6: an echo and this is the thing you're not actually
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  Speaker 6: communing with it. Yeah, it's the community of an echo
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  Speaker 6: of the person when they were still alive. So it's
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  Speaker 6: not like the you know, the profound depth of the
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  Speaker 6: Egyptians or whatever. You are just basically dealing with a
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  Speaker 6: kind of algorithm. So it's something weird about that relationship.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, because it's not you never move on because
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  Speaker 3: you're living in effect like that person is still here,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not. Then it's it's a creation of what
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  Speaker 3: might be a bit like them. And you know, we
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  Speaker 3: always say The Simpsons predicts the future, but I'll tell
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  Speaker 3: you what, there's another program that is pretty accurate at
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  Speaker 3: predicting the future, Your Black Mirror.
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  Speaker 2: And there's so many episodes I've watched.
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  Speaker 3: And then you get a few years down on Anger, Jesus,
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  Speaker 3: this stuff is happening now. Like when they broadcasted, it's like, oh, Jesus,
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  Speaker 3: it's a futuristic that will never happen, and they did.
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  Speaker 3: They did an episode on basically this idea where there
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  Speaker 3: was like an AI robotic version of a partner who
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  Speaker 3: lives on Take a look.
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  Speaker 4: You aren't you?
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  Speaker 2: Are you?
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  Speaker 7: That's another difficult one to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: You're just a few ripples of you.
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  Speaker 4: There's no history to you.
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  Speaker 1: You're just a performance of stuff that he performed without thinking.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not enough.
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  Speaker 3: And that's exactly the point that the Joe is making.
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  Speaker 3: It's not actually the real deal. So yes, it might
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  Speaker 3: calm you for a while, but at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, you're still talking to a piece of technology.
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  Speaker 2: We just as humans have to move on.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and eventually you have to confront reality. Well, some
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  Speaker 5: positive news that's still on the theme of the afterlife,
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  Speaker 5: doubt death more.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely come to the late debate four isn't it?
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  Speaker 4: You know, a light entertainment exactly right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's good news if you're down in Victoria because
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  Speaker 5: new reforms have just passed through Parliament which will now
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  Speaker 5: allow pet owners to bury their pets in the.
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  Speaker 4: Family burial plot.
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  Speaker 5: So a Victorian Animal Justice Party MP, Georgie Purcell was
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  Speaker 5: outraged when she found out she wouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 5: bury her seventeen sheep, donkey, three horses and four dogs
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  Speaker 5: alongside of her, and proceeded to find out that apparently
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  Speaker 5: it was actually illegal down in Victoria to bury your
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  Speaker 5: pets with you in a human grave. In New South
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  Speaker 5: Wales it's allowed, and now they've changed the laws of
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  Speaker 5: Victoria to make it allowed as well. Now I do
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  Speaker 5: understand people have a very strong connection with their family pet,
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  Speaker 5: but this is still a pet, it's not a child,
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  Speaker 5: and I thought we had a short shortage of burial
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  Speaker 5: plots in Australia, so I'm not sure how this is
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  Speaker 5: going to ease any of those pressures. Is this just
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  Speaker 5: another case of people elevating pets to the status of children,
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  Speaker 5: which really shows they need more relationships in their lives,
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  Speaker 5: not just canines.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, who cares. If you want to be
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  Speaker 2: buried with your pet, go for it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Georgie's having a child now, so so she's
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  Speaker 3: answered that question. But you know, if you want to
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  Speaker 3: be buried with your pet, I don't see why it
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  Speaker 3: should be illegal. Why does the law have to get
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  Speaker 3: involved in this stuff. If you run a cemetery and
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  Speaker 3: someone says to you, I want to bury my dog
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  Speaker 3: in there, why does the law say to the symmetry, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: you can't allow that.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's a fair question.
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  Speaker 5: But then there's the deeper question of is it strange
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  Speaker 5: to want to be buried with your animal?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the deeper question.
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  Speaker 2: And if you've got to have a connection to your animal,
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  Speaker 2: why not.
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  Speaker 6: Well, look, I think that's all well good, but how
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  Speaker 6: much is Georgie Purcell earning on her back been to
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  Speaker 6: salary because she's got to pay the cemetry fees for
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  Speaker 6: seventeen sheep, a donkey, three horses, four ex puppy farm
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  Speaker 6: dogs and four cats, plus also her boyfriend Josh Burns,
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  Speaker 6: who's probably going to fall down dead when he hears
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  Speaker 6: about this. I mean, who can afford that much? Who
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  Speaker 6: can afford that much cemetery spot.
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  Speaker 3: Look, it's a lot of feed as as someone who owns,
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  Speaker 3: you know, slivers of tails on horses.
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  Speaker 2: I pay it up as it is.
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  Speaker 6: But also the average life expectancy for a pet is
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  Speaker 6: about a seventh of that of a human being.
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  Speaker 1: So what happens do you?
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  Speaker 6: Just like if you go through you know, five dogs
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  Speaker 6: over the course, it just just save them all up
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  Speaker 6: and you know, do put them in the freezer. I
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  Speaker 6: guess if you or you just say the dog's dead,
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  Speaker 6: I'm off, honey.
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  Speaker 3: But I guess if you already owned the burial plot,
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  Speaker 3: you just bury them as you go along and then
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  Speaker 3: when your time comes. I thought it was kind of
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  Speaker 3: like her because it would be a side packed It's
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  Speaker 3: like this dog, you're coming with me? Are the Egyptian
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  Speaker 3: pharaohs dies a right, kill all the flaves, kill all
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  Speaker 3: the cats.
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  Speaker 5: Going down kind of will end up like some sort
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  Speaker 5: of mausoleum where you'll have like a family plot and
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  Speaker 5: then like the ten dogs you had over the course
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  Speaker 5: of your life, surrounded by you, your children, and your grandchildren.
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  Speaker 5: I guess it could be kind of cool.
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  Speaker 2: Your accounting card.
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  Speaker 1: What about the pets? Has anyone asked them.
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  Speaker 2: When they want they want to be.
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  Speaker 6: Like, you know, tap your foot twice being buried with me?
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually, I have a mate who he's got a
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  Speaker 3: lot of cars and in his custom built garage, he's
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  Speaker 3: got the sort of inspection pits to work underneath the
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  Speaker 3: cars and he has said that when he dies, he
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  Speaker 3: wants to be lowered into the inspection pit and then
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  Speaker 3: concrete it over the top of I'm not sure whether
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  Speaker 3: that's legal or.
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  Speaker 2: Not, but you know, like, if you want to do it,
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  Speaker 2: going for your life, that's what I say anyway.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly, I'm not I mean anyway. What you cannot do, however,
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  Speaker 6: is apparently flying Israeli flag, especially if you are an
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  Speaker 6: art gallery in the leafy eastern suburbs of Sydney, and
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  Speaker 6: boy oh boy, did we laa Darling art gallery find
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  Speaker 6: that out the hard way. The City Council's decision to
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  Speaker 6: fly the Israeli flag and its chambers resulted in its
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  Speaker 6: art gallery losing income, an artist pulling out of exhibitions.
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  Speaker 6: So for those who are in other parts of Australia.
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  Speaker 6: Lara is an incredibly affluent suburb in the Eastern suburbs
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  Speaker 6: of Sydney. Very dialing, very ladies who lunched that sort
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  Speaker 6: of thing. Also, the Eastern suburbs of Sydney have a
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  Speaker 6: huge Jewish population and there's obviously a huge amount of
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  Speaker 6: sympathy for the community and what happened on October seventh,
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  Speaker 6: twenty twenty three. But of course we know that the
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  Speaker 6: artistic community in Australia tends to kind of bat for
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  Speaker 6: the other side, and so the council's decision to merely
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  Speaker 6: allow the art gallery, the council's decision just to fly
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  Speaker 6: the flag itself as resulted in artists and Dinah's boycotting
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  Speaker 6: the art gallery.
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  Speaker 3: Discuss you you didn't suggest in that the artistic community
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  Speaker 3: bets for the other team?
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  Speaker 1: Did you?
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  Speaker 2: That was I misheard that one?
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  Speaker 6: Did I joel the other that's for the other team
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  Speaker 6: and the Israeli Guards of Conflict.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand any of you would know.
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  Speaker 3: This more contenting else you could read into that is
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  Speaker 3: it relevant? And look, in general, I would say that
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  Speaker 3: councils probably shouldn't be flying anything other than the state
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  Speaker 3: and the national flag. But like, if can you imagine
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  Speaker 3: living the kind of life where you would be so
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  Speaker 3: offended that when you've got the largest slaughter of Jews
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  Speaker 3: since the Holocaust, a council says, Okay, we'll put up
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  Speaker 3: the Israeli flag for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I can't.
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  Speaker 3: I can't display my art in the art like come, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is.
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  Speaker 4: What gets me right.
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  Speaker 5: The flag wasn't even at the art gallery.
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  Speaker 4: It was at the chambers that were next door.
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  Speaker 5: So it's not as though you had to walk into
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  Speaker 5: this building that had a massive Israeli flag on the
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  Speaker 5: top of it. No, you simply had to walk past
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  Speaker 5: it on your way to the art gallery.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I personally.
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  Speaker 5: Think if that is enough to turn you off from
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  Speaker 5: promoting your art in the Eastern suburbs, then I doubt
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  Speaker 5: the Eastern suburbs will want you anyway, and so be it.
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  Speaker 4: Good riddance to you.
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  Speaker 5: This flag was also stolen from the flagpole twice, and
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  Speaker 5: I think that is the reason why it's good that
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  Speaker 5: they displayed it, because clearly people are so obsessed with
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  Speaker 5: hating Israel that they're going to stop on a busy
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  Speaker 5: road to take down an Israeli flag from a council chambers.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that just shows that it's good that Willara
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  Speaker 5: Council took a stand with Israel. And the reality is
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  Speaker 5: the community is there are a lot of Jewish people
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  Speaker 5: in the community everywhere else. They're faced with antisemitism and
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  Speaker 5: do hatred in our culture at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: So at least the council is doing something.
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  Speaker 5: And it also does make me wonder Cannobury Bankstown Council,
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  Speaker 5: they flew Palestinian flag. Did anyone boycott their art fairs
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  Speaker 5: because of the Palestine flag? Did anyone stop on the
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  Speaker 5: road to take that flag down? Was there any outrage
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  Speaker 5: about that apart from this channel?
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  Speaker 4: Probably not.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got to say, I see the Palestinian flag
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  Speaker 6: hanging out all over the place. I actually was at
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  Speaker 6: a friend's house, had to log on to do a
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  Speaker 6: cross for sky and one of the neighbors Wi Fi
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  Speaker 6: Networks was actually called free Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: Seriously.
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  Speaker 6: But look, you know what, I admire the integrity, I
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  Speaker 6: applaud the moral purity of these artists, and I think, oh,
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  Speaker 6: I have complete faith in fact that they will stick
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  Speaker 6: to their principles and stick to their guns. All those
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  Speaker 6: in the artistic and performing arts community. And of course
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  Speaker 6: you'll remember that in the twenty four hours just after
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  Speaker 6: the October seven attack, the Sydney Opera House was lit
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  Speaker 6: up with the Israeli flag, and that of course prompted
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  Speaker 6: a mob of people to go down there and start
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  Speaker 6: chanting and shouting horrendous slogans. But I think the fact
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  Speaker 6: that the Opera House has now been tainted by the
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  Speaker 6: Israeli flag means that every single artist in Australia who
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  Speaker 6: is uncoverled.
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  Speaker 2: You can never.
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  Speaker 6: Perform at all the Opera House ever again, you can't.
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  Speaker 1: If you do, you are complicit in genocide.
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  Speaker 3: We can only hope that they would take things so seriously.
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  Speaker 1: Got great gig for you, Sydney Opera House.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: That's no, no way. My feelings about Palestine are too strong.
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  Speaker 3: Can't do it, can't do it. Good luck with that one.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to our travel segment tonight.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: I spectacular all news series have Got Away seven thirty
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: Thursday on Pine.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Sorry wrong channel. You tuned into scar News.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Of course, but the travel story is a bunch of
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: meyors and this is only out of Adelaide, so I
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: don't know what's going on in the rest of the country.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I'm going to assume that there are mayors in all
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: over the country going along to this thing. But the
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: c forty World Mayor's Summit is being attended by.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Three mayors from Adelaide.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: They are the mayors of Onkaparinga, Mitcham and Adelaide the
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Lord Mayor there of course. And I mean maybe you
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: can make an argument for the Adelaide Lord mayor going
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: over there because they're bidding for the COP conference next year,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: and this is the conference they have before the COP
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Conference for all the mayors to go overseas and have
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: a wonderful time and drink champagne and well, you know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: spew out emissions on the way over there. But why
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: do you need three meyors in Adelaide going to a
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: climate conference on the other side of the world.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And where are they going?
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: WHOA, Yes, they have an all expenses paid trip to Rio.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Why would you not sign up for that?
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: And as I say, if it's three in Adelaide, I
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: mean I don't know how many from Sydney.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: And Melbourne and Brisbane and Perth and Darwen and like
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: you know, we will.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Have dozens of mayors from Australian councils flying over to
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Rio to have a wonderful time at the World Mayor's
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Climate Summit.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: What's some elective now and for mayors and junket of men?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, that may be.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: I think we're just applied ones that are going though.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: I think because Adelaide is hosting cop and the rest.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: But if you can, if you can put then why
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: do these little you know on Caperinga and Mitchell owl Caperinga, yes,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: is the biggest metropolitan council in Adelaide, But what are
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: they They're not posting cop it's the city that's bidding
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: for COPP.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: What do they even talk about at these summits though? Like,
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: honest to goodness, what are local councils going to do
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: about global climate change? We think it's is a small
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: percentage of global emissions? How much would onka pinga council
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: be in? Like, seriously, what are they going to go
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: over there to do that? I don't understand what they're
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: going to spend a week talking about?
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: Who needs to talk when you've got the beautiful copok
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: about a beach.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: That's right, true?
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I just all these things we know, we talk about
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: councils all the time and what they spend money on,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: but you'd think you'd go, maybe it's not a great
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: idea to spend rate pay dollars going on flights to
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Rio to go to some bloody climate conference.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: And the bit that gets me I thought. During COVID
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: we learned.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: That everything could be done now on zoom and so
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: surely there is no need to get on a plane
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: and go to Rio.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: You could just like watch it on zoom in your office.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: But of course that wouldn't involve a free trip to Rio.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Would would I sign on that?
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: You could even log into a Wi Fi network called
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: Free Palestine.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I just kick every box there is.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Oh gosh, it is just such a waste of money.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: But something that's also going on down in South Australia
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: it's actually pretty funny is apparently Tesla drivers are the
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: most dangerous drivers on the road. New data about speeding
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: fines on South Australian roads shows that last financial year,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: one in six Teslas were caught speeding and the second
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: most popular brand to have bad drivers were Audi vehicles.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: So that means Tesla's and Audi drivers are seventy one
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: percent more likely to be caught speeding than Mazda and
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Nissan owners. Now, I don't know about you, but when
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: I'm driving, there are two people I like to avoid
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: on the road. It's those big, massive Teslas that think
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: they own the place and people in Audi sports cars
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: that liked to rev their engines, ail gate you till
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: you move out of the lane, and just generally be irresponsible.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: What do you have to say for yourself, Caleb?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Have I ever tailgated you? I don't think I.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Drive.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I drive an Audi, by the way, so that's why
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I'm being targeted here. I don't think there is anything
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: wrong with Aldi drivers I thought were quite sensible. The
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Aldi drivers I know are quite sensible people.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Though, I will say German loving crowd.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I will say I've never been caught speeding doesn't mean
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I haven't been speeding, just means I've never been caught speeding.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Touch Wood.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I still haven't had a fine in my teen years
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: on the road. But the Tesla one is the one
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: that gets me because you know, Tesler owners apart from
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: all the people who now to drive these, you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Chinese junk ones, by D's or whatever.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: If you're a Tesla owner.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: You were sort of one of the early adopters of
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: electric vehicles, and it was a bit of a state
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: to say, you know, I have an electric vehicle. You know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I'm one of the climate warriors. I'm doing my bit
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: to help the planet. And there are only six thousand
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: teslas registered in South Australia, so a thousand of them
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: have been caught with spinning phanes.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: So what is it with these conscientious people.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I'm buying a tesla to help the planet, But then
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: when they get their hands on one where they're not
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: so conscientious on the road, it would seem.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I will actually think that. That's because
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: it's about the same thing, which is the tesla is
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: not to say the planet, is to tell people that
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: you are selling the planet, say look.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: At me, look how good I am.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: And you know, and again, these are the same kind
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: of people who are likely to commit speeding offenses, the
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: sort of rampant egotistical narcissists who think that they're convenience
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: the necessity for them to get to their destination is
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: so much more important than everybody else's, which is why
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: I don't even drive anymore.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Well, actually, it says the.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Nineteenth worst of Ford drivers.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised by that low. I would have thought your top.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: Three well, given your if you took out all the
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: other So if you took out all the other Ford
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: brands and just did Falcons, yes, I think you would
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: have specifically test that would have a real run for.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Specifically Ford Falcon station wagons that have previously had an
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: infestation of German cockroaches.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I think they'd be.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: They definitely high risk.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: Here's a fun fact for you out and the the
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: cops have cops who have a very long and familiar
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: history with Ford Falcons, and I governed myself called them
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: field cans because every time one goes past, they get
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: issued a field court attendance notice. Because basically every time
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: you see a Falcon you can assume that its owner
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: is a criminal, the car is currently breaking the law.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: Well that makes well, I feel vindicated by this starter
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: because toy are some of the best drivers in South
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Australia and I love a good Toyota.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: So that's really good.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: But something else that is good that is happening is
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: over at Oxford. We've talked before about this story of
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: the president elect of the Oxford Union, a radical leftist
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: student who debated Charlie Kirk and then just a couple
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: months later when he was assassinated, he then rejoiced to
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: his friends about how he was happy. So this guy's
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: name is George Aberonner. He was the president's elect and
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: these are the messages that he sent. In a WhatsApp
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: message seen by The Times, he wrote, Charlie Kirk got shot.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Let effing go, followed by a praying hands emoji. I mean,
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: how you could look someone in the eye and debate them,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: which is the whole point of the Oxford Union, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: then just a couple mon months.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Later celebrate their death.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: When you, as the president of the Union, should be
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: overseeing the upholding of its values of free speech is
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: beyond me. But clearly he is captured by this radical
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Marxist thought because this was another one of his speeches
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: in the Oxford Union.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: To effectively create change in the world with desire inside
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: prop will argue that at times there is simply nothing
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: else that can be required of it and violent retaliation,
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: and this is a view I wholeheartedly agree with this view,
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: the view that sub institutions are too broken, too aggressive,
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: too oppressive.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: To be reformed.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: Like cancers of our society, they must and they should
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: be taken down by any means necessary.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: So the Union's now passed a motion of no confidence,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: which passed by about seventy percent. So it looks like
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: his time as the president will be over imminently, thankfully.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: But what is it with left wing radicalism and our universities.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: It Can we get the photo of him debating Charlie
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Kirk back for a moment, because it's extraordinary to think that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, take a look at the get up there.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: You've rocked up for a debate, an Oxford Union debate,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: and you're in your Trackie Dacks, I mean, for keeping
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: it real, for God's sake, go to have some standards
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: in this world. And the Oxford Union is one of
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: the most prestigious debating societies in the world, you know,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: and well I know, And we're at the point now
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: where our institutions have been degraded so much that you
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: end up with a fellow like George Aberonna being able
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: to be president of such a prestigious organization. It says
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: so much about where we have landed in the West
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: that they would and of course they've seen the light.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Now I'm gone, Okay, well he's a bit too hot
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: to handle. But that you would elevate to that position
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: a man who would openly say aviolence is good and
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: then separately celebrate the assassination of a political opponent who
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: he had debated.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Do you know what.
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: It's obviously nauseating, but it's not surprising that elite institutions
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: are the home to the most radical people. It's often
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: the overprivileged, you know, upper middle class kids that are
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: the most radical are the quickest to proclaim and declare
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: violence because they haven't actually seen it before. They haven't
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: had to experience the horrors of violence up over. For them,
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: it's an abstract concept, and you know, they've read all
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: the right books and they like making the speeches, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: often when it comes suddenly, they're tune very quickly changes,
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: especially if they're the subject of it. Of course, then
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: they accuse everyone else of not giving them a safe space.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: We've seen it at Harvard, we've seen it at Oxford,
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: we've seen it in elite universities in Australia, and we've
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: seen it in the past. To be honest, we saw
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: it at Berkeley, and in the nineteen sixties, we saw
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: it in the French Revolution, and you know, and that
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: actually did end in huge torrents of blood in which
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: you know, a lot of the middle class people who
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: were sort of the radical.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Ones go, oh, actually, maybe we shouldn't do that anymore.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: What does really get me, though, is just on a
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: human level that, like you said, this.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Was someone who sat across or.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: Stood across from another human being, talked to them, looked
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: them in the eye, presumably, shook their hand, and then
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: is able to say, how awesome, I'm so glad they
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: got shot dead, Like I cannot. I do not know
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: how a human being who is not a sociopath, who
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: doesn't have something and a lot of you know, radicals
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: extremists are sociopaths, But I do not understand how you
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: could be a literally human and have that kind of
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: response to someone you'd met. I can understand why nutty
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: extremists who thinks all these things in the abstract has
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: only ever seen Charlie Kirk via Twitter. You know, I hate,
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: what hate some of the stuff that they've said, but
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: I can actually understand it. But to say that, you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: imagine me saying that about you or you know, like,
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: it's just this is.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: Why the radical left is so dangerous. This is why
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: assassination culture is rising on the left. When you poll Americans,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: a sizeable percentage of left leading Americans think it is
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: okay to assassinate political opponents. I mean, that is the
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: death of democracy. When that happens in substantial numbers, it's over.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: And so it's so funny how the left goes on
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: about you know, it's the right, it's Trump that's killing democracy.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: They're the ones who are saying it's okay to assassinate
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: people you disagree with.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: It's shocking.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Well, the term left came from the French Revolution, when
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: it was the left who were killing thousands and thousands
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: and thousands of people for not being ideologically pure enough
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: and doing it on an industrial scale. So yeah, it's
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: nothing new for the left to be pro killing people,
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry to say.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: While we're talking back to the US and Trump, of course,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: his vice president jd Vance.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Well, Jin Saki, who.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: You might remember, spend some time as Joe Biden's press secretary.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: She now does a show.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: On MSNBC, but she popped up on a podcast called
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I've had it, and I've had it with her, to
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: be perfectly honest, but she goes on this podcast I've
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: had it, and she talks about how scary JD.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Vance is.
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: He's scarier in certain ways, he's smarter some ways, and
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: he's young and ambitious and ambitious and agile in the
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: sense that he is a chameleon who makes himself into
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: whatever he thinks the audience wants to hear from him.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Now when she says scary, what she means is he's effected.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: And that's a bad thing for my side of politics,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: because he's young, and he's dynamic, and he can pull
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: a crowd, and that's bad for us because it means
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: we've actually got to do some work.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: We've got something to compete with here.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: But you know, he tells an audience what he thinks, they.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Know terrible, it's not true.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: You cannot be polician, I know, worrying people whatever know
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: what he thinks. They want to honestly, so, you know whatever,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: that's just stupidity, right. But then she gets personal and
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: she starts talking about Vance's wife.
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: The little mentoring candidate. Jeddie Vance wants to be president
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: more than anything.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Else.
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: I always wonder what's going on in the mind of
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: his wife. Okay, please bring blink four times. Yeah, we'll
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: come over here, We'll save you.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: So she assumes that because a woman is married to
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: a right wing man, you know, a member of the
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Republican Party, that there must be something wrong with her,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: or she must be under duress, or she must be unsafe,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: and just just blink four times and we will come
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: and save you from the evil bad JD.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Vance. Like, what the hell?
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I thought they were feminists.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: I thought they actually believed in women's ability to think
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: for themselves. Maybe Usher Vance is a Republican whoa Maybe
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: she is actually a conservative. Maybe she does actually support
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: her husband and doesn't feel unsafe around her.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: As a woman of color. I think you'll find that
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: she cannot be a conservative of color.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: No, that is the subtext here.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: You have these super annoying middle aged women bashing down
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: on an Indian woman and their minds cannot comprehend the
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: fact that she might actually be a conservative. And back
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: to your point before cayleb about JD. Van's being so effective,
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: which is why they're trying to target him so much.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: I think they're going to go after JD.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Vans even harder than they went after Trump, because when
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: you look at him, he is the epitome of America.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: Comes from the Appalachians, poor background, drug addict, mother overcame
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: all that, enlisted in the Marines, went to Yale, did law,
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: and ended up as the vice president, the third youngest
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: in US history.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: He's simply incredible. His values are solid.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: He represents the forgotten people of America.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: And so they are right to be scared of Jdvans.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: And it would like, really annoy them to think that
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: other than Michelle Obama, the greatest racial diversity, potential racial
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: diversity in the first.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Lady of the United States is going to.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Be a Republican an Indian woman married to a Republican.
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's amazing, And you know, I'm sure they will
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: go after JD. Evans just as hard as they went
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: after Donald Trump, because, after all, it worked so well
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: time and these guys just do not. I mean, I've
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: never seen any sort of political mass or morass more
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: utterly deranged, dysfunctional than the American Liberal They are just
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: so for a bunch of people who think they're so
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: smart and sneer at people like Trump and Vance for
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: being stupid. They are so incredibly dumb to keep going
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: after these ad homine attacks thinking that it's actually going
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: to work.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: They are just brainded.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Very quickly before we get to a break. There's a
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: story today about how many childcare centers are owned by
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: foreign companies. More than four hundred in Australia owned by
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: foreign companies, which gives you some idea. And these are
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: massive foreign investment companies that are involved in the childcare
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: center business here in Australia.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Which tells you a lot about what's going on.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's basically appropriation of government money into the
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: hands of business. And then they say, oh, childcare is expensive,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: so we'll raise the rebate. And then the childcare costs
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: go up in line with the raising the rebate, and
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: non and on it goes.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: It's a great Ponzi schin.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: But there was another story out of Brisbane where they
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: have unveiled the fanciest childcare center anywhere. Two hundred and
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: forty bucks a day it costs to take your kid
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: to this joint.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: But when you're all up, they got a cafe. You
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: can get a coffee. In the morning.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: They have ready made minerals coffee I have for the parents.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: You've got ready made dinners that you can take home.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: You can leave your laundry there and they'll have it
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: clean for you. They'll even handle you. They're like a
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: po box you can have all your package is sent there.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, if that doesn't tell you the problem
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: with the child in Australia.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think anything will. After the break, we'll get
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: into the papers.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: On the front of the Daily Telegraph, the council that
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: says you're not allowed to stand up with your beer
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: outside the pub.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: What is wrong with these people? That's more coming up.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Let's get stuck into tomorrow's news tonight. We'll start with
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: the Australian, where it says Jerusalem in a state of confusion.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Penny One cannot say whether Jerusalem is in
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Israel or the newly recognized state of Palestine. As Australia
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: officially lends support to the US military's efforts to keep
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: the Guards of Peace plan on track, Senator Wong was
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: asked if the federal government thought the Western Wall in
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Jerusalem and the Jewish Court in Jerusalem were in the
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: State of Palestine or in the State of Israel quote.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: The government's long standing position on Jerusalem and borders is
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: that they are final status issues subject to negotiations. She
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: said Australia's recognition of the state of Palestine does not
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: prejudge the outcome of those negotiations.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, whatever.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: But the other point that was mentioned there in the
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: lead is that US giving support to you is military
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: efforts to help with the Guards of Peace plan. Obviously
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: that the US, I suppose asked us to lend a hand,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: and so we have with one liaison officer. It's not
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: exactly and look to be perfectly honest, I'm not upset
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: about it terribly because I don't want anyone from Australia
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: having to get involved in foreign conflicts. But it's a
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: pretty small thing, and you'd think, like he's just been
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: over there with Trump, you know, you'd think Trump.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Would have been able to twist his.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Arm and get a bit more than one liaison off.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: Americans don't actually want the military support. All they want
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: is to look like they are not acting unilaterally, and
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: they've got a big broad coalition. So it's a bit
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: like in Iraq, like we didn't Australia didn't.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Do that much. That's why, you know, the casualty rate
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: was so low.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: We've had people we had it forced there to show
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: that we were there supporting them, but it was the
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: Americans that actually did pretty much all of the fighting.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: But we were just there as a sort of you know, yeah,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: we're with your mate. Yeah, good on you, so that
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it looked like a more legitimate action.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: No makes sense.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But at the same I mean, I'm curious to
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: see how this does play out, to be honest, and
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: I think it's probably prudent that Australia it doesn't go
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: sending troops over to the Middle East while it's all
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: still very unclear what this force is actually going to
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: look like, because every day we're seeing more videos coming
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: out of Gaza of her Mass trying to reassert control
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: in the streets, conducting public executions, torture. It's horrendous what's
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: going on and how they're treating their own people, and interestingly,
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: absolutely zero condemnation from the Free Palestine movement, even though
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: what her Mass is doing to Garzans is worse than
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: any videos we ever saw of what IDF soldiers were
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: doing to Gazans. But anyway, how this force is actually.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Going to work. I don't know, because are they going.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: To actually have to go in there and take out
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: her Mass? And in that case, they're going to basically
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: be faced with these saying operational challenges as Israel was
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: faced with, which was one of the most complex military
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: exercises in the world.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: And how's that going to work?
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: And then if they're just a peacekeeping that's not going
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: to work because there needs to be an actual threat
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: of violence, like they need to shoot these guys to
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: get them to disband and stop. But houses that happen,
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: her Mass is not just gonna lay down their weapons,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: like no.
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: This is well, the reason why har Mass is doing
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: all this stuff is because it is engaged in a
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: power struggle to fill a vacuum that has been left
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: by the withdrawal of the IDF. So we need to
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: get the international force there as quickly as possible. They
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: will kill her Masks fighters if they have to in self.
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: That's what peacekeepers do. That's why they've got giant guns.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: Except they don't do that.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Like in Lebanon, they the UN peace keepers literally stood
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: there as Hesbula took over Southern Love.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: But Trump has very specifically said that this group, which
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: will be a multinational force that is not run by
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: the UN. It seems that and he has said, will
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: you know if you do not disarm, we will kill you.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: He said that, quote unquote. So I think it is good.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: I think it's more of a reason for the forces
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: to get in there and fill that vacuum so that
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: Hermas doesn't But.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: Then it's kind of representative of as well of just
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: how we relevant Australia has become in the whole Middle East. Really,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: I mean Abson from the Peace Summer sending one liaison
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: office sites.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Sage nor to speaking of places you probably probably don't
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: want to be. Also on the friend of the use
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: to our own Liberal leader backs traditions push New South
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Wales opposition leader Mark Speakman has endorsed the clarion call
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: from Angus Taylor and James Patterson to Liberals to stick
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: with the party's traditional values, as he says backing out
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: of a zero emissions target in New South Wales would
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: be disastrous for his electoral chances in twenty twenty seven.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Mister Speakman, who is subject to continued rumblings over his
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: leadership despite being in a stronger electoral position than his
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: counterparts in opposition in other states. Also laid out his
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: vision to be a big spending premiere, saying he was
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: open to reviving privatization in the mold of former state
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: liberal leaders Mike Baird and Gladys Beagiiclian. It's interesting to say,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: you know, we should stick to good liberal values, but.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Also we might just keep the zero.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that it's quite on the same page.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: If anyone can explain that one to me, I'd be
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: very grateful, and I think the whole of the New
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: South Wales liberals probably would be as well well.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: I think it's the whole problem with the lives are
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: facing that they go one way, they lose their base,
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: they go the other, they lose every election from now
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: until eternity. Standing up to Clover as the front page
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: of the Daily Telegraph, it was touted as an Alfresco
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: revolution to bring the city back to life, But a
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: year after Premier Chrismins declared he would scrap COVID era
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: rules forcing drinkers to sit down when they were drinking
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: outside because he's a heroic freedom fighter who believes in
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: his city's state, in his nation. The city of Sydney
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: has decided computer says no, just not going to do it.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: So even though Chrismins has said this is absolutely ridiculous.
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: This was a COVID era restriction that was meant to
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: stop people moving about and circulating, Clover has now said no,
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: you're still not allowed have a drink al fresco and
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: footpath bar or cafe or whatever unless you are sitting down,
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: and presumably they'll have council inspectors going around making sure
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: there's contact between patrons buttocks and the seat of the
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: chair that they are sitting on, if indeed they are
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: lucky enough to get a chair, but then they probably
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: would because night live stead.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Anyway, Honestly, like the state government says you should be
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: able to stand and have a drink, why does the
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Sydney City Council have to get involved and say no,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: you can't do that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: It's just bizarre.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, one of the amazing things about London was
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: when I went there a couple months ago that all
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: the pubs just have people standing outside and it creates
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: such an awesome atmosphere. And then you come here and
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: it's just Nanny State Central.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Just amazing. Now you will see on the bottom of
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: your screen.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Breaking story Kea Stamus, a keysta of the Prime Minister
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: of the UK, has backed an inquiry into Prince Andrew
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: and his.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Deal to stay at the Royal Lodge.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: This is coming from the Telegraph out of the UK,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister saying that he will support proper scrutiny
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: of the arrangement when asked if he would like to
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: see the Prince Hall before Parliament to face him peace.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Of course, he was cut off by the King financially,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: so he was trying to get some sort of business
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: deal going that would allow him to stump up the
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: money to be able to pay for the upkeeper at
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: the Royal Lodge. But now you have the Prime Minister
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: of the United Kingdom, Suki Stama, saying there should be
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: an inquiry into this, and I think fair enough.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it'll be interesting to see how this plays
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: out because obviously, I mean eighty percent of the public
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: wants the deal reviewed and do not support Andrew remaining
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: as any sort of presence in royal life. But at
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: the same time, the lease is not with the royal family,
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: it's not with the government, it's with an independent entity
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: that manages these Royal Properties, And how it works is
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: he paid eight million pounds upfront, years and years ago
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: for a seventy five year lease and each year he
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: only has to pay. It's called a peppercorn lease, so
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: it's nothing basically, but he does have to pay for
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: a pair. So that's how they're going to try and
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: kick him out. But other than that, I mean, there's
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: really not much anyone can do to kick him out.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: I'm sure the King would love to, I'm.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: Sure Sara would love to, but legally, I mean, this
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: is the agreement.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: If he can't afford to pay for the update, then
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: he has to go, because that's part of it. Yeah,
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: so yeah, but it's going to be a shame. I mean,
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: it's just such a you know, it's just him and
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: Fergie in there. There's barely enough room to swing a cat.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't him out in his retirement dotage, I wouldn't let.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: My cat near him.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: To be perfectly honest, after the breaker, the woman who
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: gave birth to a huge baby. Wait, do we tell
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: you just how much this thing ways, she's given her
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: story that's coming out. Okay, it's time to another under
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: the list, don't the game today's entry is Jack Ray
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Courtney from the central coast of New South Wales. Now
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: he's a bad ombre, this fella. He's done some time
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: in the clink for ramming a police car and he's
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: had a firearm prohibition order to put on him, so
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: they know he gets up to a bit of bad news.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: So the coppers see him driving around.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: They pull him over and they tell him to get
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: out of the car because the car stinks of Mary.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Jawana, So they go, okay, there might be something going
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: on here.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: So he steps out of the car and they're doing
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: the search and they pulled his pockets out and whatever.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: But he's holding a dog and he's holding the dog
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: in front of the wedding vegetables. He's growing right, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: they've gone, excuse me, sir, why are you holding the
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: dog there? And he wouldn't hand it over to his girlfriend,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: so he then tries to escape.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: They taser the guy and.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: They discover the reason he was hold the dog in
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: front of his groin is because he was hiding big
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: bags of meth and heroine down his pants and he thought,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: as long as I hold the dog there, the police
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: are not going to know that I've got drugs on me.
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: I mean, for goodness sake, what he deserves to be
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: dope with the Yeah, I feel.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: Like that's a stupid thing to do in the first place,
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: But the cover up with the oldest, come on, please
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: do better than that. Something else that's hilarious that's going on.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: We've covered the muck up date extravagance that's going on
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: around the country, graduating year twelve messing up their schools,
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: but some girls are also messing up their uniform This
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: has now become a rite of passage where girls will
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: alter their uniforms into all sorts of interesting designs. Often
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: they'll do it themselves, but at Saint Peter's Girls School
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: in Adelaide, they are taking their uniforms to professional fashion
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: designers to bring their vision of an extravagant coture uniform
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: to life.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: Joe, do you approve I've.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Not actually done that myself. You'll be fashion guy that
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: goes against the spirit of muck up. You meant to
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: do it yourself.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: You meant to cut things up and you know, glue
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: people the basketball backboard.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Don't know now.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: You mentioned earlier that we have a story of the
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: I think it's possibly one of the largest babies of
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: all time, and I'm not sure. I'm just going to
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: say from the outset, I'm not sure if this has
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: been reported in the best possible way. A Tennessee mum
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: who gave birth to one of the largest babies in
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: years has opened up about the brutal delivery. I've got
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: a feeling this wasn't somebody anyway. The baby, Shelby Martin
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: is her name, and her son Cassian, was born thirteen pounds.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: That is there look.
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: Wrestling kilograms, nearly six kilograms in Australia, while the average,
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: I think is a bit of before and anyone who's
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: ever had a baby, your eyes are going to be
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: watering right now. So anyway, I'll leave you with that nice.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Little There you go.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: He's got a bit of work to do to get
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: that way off, Doesny.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us tonight. Updates to read a Penning show. Goodnight,