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The Raw Truth About Marriage, Motherhood + Wanting More: Valeria Lipovetsky · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
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Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
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Speaker 1: closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
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Speaker 1: Danielle Robe and each week, my guests and I come
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Speaker 1: together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
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Speaker 1: of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not?
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Speaker 1: And who says? So? Come curious, dig deep and join
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Speaker 1: the conversation. It's time to question everything.
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Speaker 2: It took me a long time to learn how to
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Speaker 2: manifest properly. I found it manifestation like I was doing
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Speaker 2: it wrong for a long time because I would ask
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Speaker 2: for things visualize them. But what I didn't do is
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Speaker 2: I didn't check with myself if I am ready to
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Speaker 2: receive it. So you can ask for things, but if
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Speaker 2: you I don't believe you deserve it, Dan coming for you.
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Speaker 1: That was from last week when you heard part one
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Speaker 1: of my conversation with Valeria Lipovetski, And if you haven't
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Speaker 1: listened yet, I'd recommend going back because we threw out
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Speaker 1: all of our question cards. We sat down face to
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Speaker 1: face and talked about everything from manifesting the life you
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Speaker 1: want before you're ready for it to the childhood wounds
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Speaker 1: that shaped our ambition to why authenticity online isn't about
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Speaker 1: having all the answers, but being honest about the search.
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Speaker 1: And if you are new to the episode, this week,
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Speaker 1: I want to catch everyone up. Valeria is a creator, entrepreneur,
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Speaker 1: and former model who built a multi platform empire. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking over seven million followers while raising three boys and
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Speaker 1: discovering who she is outside of the roles of wife,
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Speaker 1: mother and influencer. She's thoughtful and hilarious, and as you're
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Speaker 1: about to hear, she's unafraid to say the things that
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Speaker 1: most people keep inside. So today, in part two of
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Speaker 1: our conversation, we're going even deeper. We're talking about the
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Speaker 1: impossible trade offs women make when they're building something they
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Speaker 1: care about, and how guilt sneaks in even when you
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Speaker 1: love the life you're creating. We talk about timeliness, egg freezing,
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Speaker 1: reparenting yourself through motherhood, and the quiet courage it takes
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Speaker 1: to say I want more. We also had a really
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Speaker 1: interesting conversation about marriage. She's been married to her husband, Gary,
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Speaker 1: who is a character in many of her videos, and
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Speaker 1: they met when she was very young and have built
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Speaker 1: something pretty special together.
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Speaker 2: This is before I got on social media or did
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Speaker 2: anything at all.
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Speaker 1: He said, your life is going to be here.
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Speaker 2: Literally one of the first days that we had when
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Speaker 2: we talked about like things that I.
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Speaker 1: Fell in love. He was very poet.
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Speaker 2: He was like, your life will be your art. And
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Speaker 2: now looking back, it's something that I remember literally a
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Speaker 2: couple of years ago. And set him down. I'm like,
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Speaker 2: do you remember when you said that? And he's like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: do you understand what we've built? It's literally our art
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Speaker 2: and our business is my life.
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Speaker 1: She also talks about what changes when your kids grow up,
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Speaker 1: what no one tells you about sex after babies, and
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Speaker 1: why some women, including me, are terrified to lose that
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Speaker 1: romantic can't get enough feeling. Like when I was at
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Speaker 1: dinner with women who said they didn't want to have
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Speaker 1: sex with their husbands, Okay, we get into.
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Speaker 2: That, or they're not allowed to say stuff like that.
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Speaker 2: If there's a non married woman at the table.
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Speaker 1: There's like a rule. They broke the rule.
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Speaker 2: They broke the rule, they.
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Speaker 1: Go to jail.
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Speaker 2: There is a phase in marriage, especially when the kids
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Speaker 2: are little.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm jumping back in because the best parts are
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Speaker 1: in this episode. And I love that Valeria does not
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Speaker 1: sugarcoat one bit of it, but she does offer hope.
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Speaker 1: We laugh a lot, we open up, and we even
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Speaker 1: pulled a card from the Question Everything card deck because
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Speaker 1: of course. So if you've ever found yourself stuck between
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Speaker 1: the life you built and the life you're still dreaming of,
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Speaker 1: the one that's on your vision board, this one is
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Speaker 1: for you. It's time to question everything with Valeria Lipovetski
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Speaker 1: Part two. Okay, So I think a lot of people
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Speaker 1: look at your life and think it looks really shiny
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Speaker 1: and bright, which I'm sure it is, but there's definitely
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Speaker 1: sacrifices and struggles that people don't see. What's the first
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Speaker 1: thing that comes to your mind.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's unique to me. I think every
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Speaker 2: woman da picks up any project or passion or fully
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Speaker 2: actualizes herself, feels this guilt that I should be somewhere
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Speaker 2: else or like with the kids or at home. And
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Speaker 2: I'm getting comments all the time. I even had a
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Speaker 2: video recently that Gary took a video of me. I'm
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Speaker 2: walking in and he's like, you're walking in with the mission,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I have fomo. Like this week, there
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Speaker 2: were all these things that I wanted to be part
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Speaker 2: of but I couldn't because I had to work. But
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Speaker 2: I also wasn't at home with my kids and my husband.
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Speaker 2: And it's like I want to be I want to
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Speaker 2: do everything, and he's like, it's okay, just to show pass.
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Speaker 2: And one of the comments was of this like older lady,
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Speaker 2: which I understand. She's like, you know, really savor these
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Speaker 2: years with the kids because they're going to grow up,
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Speaker 2: and like I get it, yes, but also I'm never
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Speaker 2: going to be this age again, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Like it's this I don't know. It feels like you're
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Speaker 2: always sacrificing something. It's either you or what you want,
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Speaker 2: or it's either the time with the family something else
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Speaker 2: like work, Like there's always something.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like when you say yes or no
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Speaker 1: to things, there's like an immediate hell yes or hell
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Speaker 1: no for you.
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Speaker 2: I'm learning how to recognize them better.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever get it right in life.
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Speaker 1: If there's a woman out there who's figured that out,
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Speaker 1: I love to know she's lying.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm telling you. I don't think you ever get there.
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Speaker 2: Do you have it figured out?
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Speaker 1: Or like close to No, I'm really working on this
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Speaker 1: because I love people. I'm in the business of people,
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Speaker 1: and so I can find somebody interesting anywhere I go.
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Speaker 2: That's actually amazing. How do you get to care though?
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Speaker 2: Do you always care? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I have cared since I was a little kid. I
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Speaker 1: just want to hear people's stories. It's the way that
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Speaker 1: you're so good at the share.
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Speaker 2: I'm not, you know what, I think that I'm playing
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Speaker 2: a role. I think that I do love people, and
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Speaker 2: I think that I do love stories. I don't know
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Speaker 2: why I said that I do like people, but.
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Speaker 1: I keep saying yes to other people and know to
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Speaker 1: myself because there's only a certain amount of time in
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Speaker 1: the day. So people that listen to the pod are
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Speaker 1: going to laugh because they've heard me talk about this
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Speaker 1: for like four years. I have not figured it out.
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Speaker 2: Something's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll have a baby and then it don't make
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Speaker 1: me choose them at least.
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Speaker 2: No, but you still will go back to having experiences
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Speaker 2: where you have to choose yourself one hundred percent. I
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Speaker 2: would try to figure this out before you have the baby.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out as much as I can
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Speaker 1: because I feel like once you have a kid, you're
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Speaker 1: just like reparenting yourself all the time.
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Speaker 2: You'll do that anyways. I have to say the biggest thing,
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Speaker 2: Like a lot of people talk about how amazing it
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Speaker 2: is to have children, because there's obviously you love them
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Speaker 2: so much and all of that. Yes, but I think
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Speaker 2: that the most beautiful aspect of becoming a parent is
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Speaker 2: that you are seeing your inner child so clearly when
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Speaker 2: you have your own kid, and they are the greatest
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Speaker 2: teachers to everything that you need to attend to. They
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Speaker 2: really shine light on everything.
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Speaker 1: Is there a lesson that your kids have taught you
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Speaker 1: that adults never could?
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Speaker 2: Well, each of them taught me different things. I mean
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Speaker 2: my eldest, he has so much confidence and he moves
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Speaker 2: in the world like he owns it, like I never
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Speaker 2: had that as a kid. I don't know even how
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Speaker 2: it feels like. There was this one incident where it
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Speaker 2: was a big school function and it was actually honoring
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Speaker 2: someone that the school lost. My son did not know
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Speaker 2: that person. There was no interaction there, and he decided
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Speaker 2: to go on stage in front of like three hundred
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Speaker 2: people and make a speech about this person. And I
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Speaker 2: couldn't even control myself. I literally went under the table
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Speaker 2: because my inner child was like screaming, I could never
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Speaker 2: and I was holding I was like squeezing Gary's legs.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you think. I've never experienced that
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Speaker 2: in my life.
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Speaker 1: And how did he do?
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Speaker 2: He did amazing, Like he made such a beautiful speech.
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Speaker 2: He was so thoughtful, so beautiful, you know for his age.
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Speaker 2: Like everybody came up to us after and we're like, wow,
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Speaker 2: this is amazing, and I don't know what happened. It
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Speaker 2: was like took over me physically. So he really taught
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Speaker 2: me the art of really owning who you are. And
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Speaker 2: I'm still learning, Like I'm watching him and learning and
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Speaker 2: this idea of just like they don't like me, Yeah whatever,
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Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't know if it's a show
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Speaker 2: or not. But I'm like inspired. My middle one, he's
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Speaker 2: more of like the asking questions. Like he's very philosophical,
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Speaker 2: so the questions that he ask always inspire me to
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Speaker 2: dig deeper.
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Speaker 1: Is the middle one the one you did the podcast with.
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Speaker 2: I did it with two of them, the eldest and
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Speaker 2: the middle one. But Benjamin is like it's it's not
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Speaker 2: his first time here. This kid just knows, you know.
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Speaker 2: He's very like insightful and then my little guy is
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Speaker 2: just so joyful. And that's the theme of this.
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Speaker 1: Year for me. Joy That was my word this year.
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Speaker 2: Really mine too. Wait why was it your word?
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Speaker 1: The honest answer is there was a guy that I
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Speaker 1: had dated a little bit and he was like, you're
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Speaker 1: so intentional and thoughtful and strategic, Like, what would it
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Speaker 1: be like to just throw it all to the wind?
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Speaker 1: And I thought, I've never even considered that.
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Speaker 2: What does that even mean?
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Speaker 1: To not center work and thinking about strategy and how
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Speaker 1: do I get to a certain place in my career
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Speaker 1: and just follow the joy? And I love it. It's
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Speaker 1: actually really been working for me to move from joy. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to move with what feels good, not what
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Speaker 1: I think I should do.
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Speaker 2: I think that's beautiful. Though. I feel like for me,
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Speaker 2: joy came out actually from observing other people, and I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: it showed me that I'm not fully leaning into joy
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Speaker 2: in my life. I'm not fully like in there, you know,
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Speaker 2: I feel a little bit, I feel like fifty percent
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Speaker 2: sixty percent, but I'm always like in control. Trauma Re's
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Speaker 2: found maybe, but it's also I don't know, it's kind
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Speaker 2: of scary to move with purely joy.
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Speaker 1: It is, but it's also kind of freeing.
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Speaker 2: Have you experienced it? Did you have an experience where
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Speaker 2: you like, that was I moved from joy here?
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Speaker 1: I did?
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Speaker 2: Actually, you know what, You'll be surprised the fact that
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Speaker 2: your word was joy, My word was joy. You'll be
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Speaker 2: surprised how many people words worse joy this year. That's
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Speaker 2: always the case. I told you, we don't have unique experiences.
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Speaker 2: It's all the same. So for me, I observed other
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Speaker 2: people doing it and I was like, Okay, I need
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Speaker 2: to do that more. And because they modeled it, I
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Speaker 2: now know how it looks like that to me is
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Speaker 2: one of the greatest gifts of womanhood observing. Yeah, because
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Speaker 2: when you see a woman living in a way that
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Speaker 2: you admire, it took a lot of sacrifices and hardship
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Speaker 2: and discovery for her to get there. And it's almost
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Speaker 2: like she's giving you a cheat code. You're like seeing
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Speaker 2: it and you're like, I could do that. I don't
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Speaker 2: know how, but that looks good. Yeah. It takes a
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Speaker 2: lot of courage. I've been really loving thinking about the
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Speaker 2: amount of courage it requires to fully figure yourself out
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Speaker 2: and kind of do the rounds and come to this
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Speaker 2: self actualization. You know what I mean. Courage is a
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Speaker 2: big word for me. Why because it takes a lot
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Speaker 2: to stand up and say I'm stuck, or I don't
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Speaker 2: like the way I live, or there's more for me
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Speaker 2: to find out, and then the courage to make the
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Speaker 2: changes and to take the action, and then the courage
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Speaker 2: to stick to it, to the boundaries and the new
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Speaker 2: rules that you made, the courage to stand up to
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Speaker 2: the norms that are not your norms anymore. Like courage
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Speaker 2: throughout that whole cycle. That's a big word. I think
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Speaker 2: that for me, we don't mention that word enough. With women.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about timelines. Because you've been sharing your experience
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Speaker 2: of you decided to freeze your eggs. You already did it.
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Speaker 2: Was it like a big conversation on your podcast or
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Speaker 2: social You shared a journey.
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Speaker 1: I shared the whole thing, And that was actually one
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Speaker 1: of the first times I've ever been really vulnerable on
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Speaker 1: the internet. And I felt like I had the courage
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Speaker 1: to be vulnerable because it didn't feel like it was
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Speaker 1: about me. It felt like I was trying to demystify
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Speaker 1: something that I felt at the time. Women weren't really
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Speaker 1: talking about and so I did like a docu style
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Speaker 1: thing and I shared my stomach, distended the needles, all
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Speaker 1: my feelings, the whole thing, and then I did a
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Speaker 1: podcast with the people the doctor who did it with me.
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Speaker 1: Because there's not a lot of information around it. It's
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Speaker 1: not been around as long as IVF, so there's a
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Speaker 1: lot more studies that have been done with IVF. And
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Speaker 1: just for clarity, IVF is when you take the egg
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Speaker 1: and then the man's sperm and make an mber. When
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Speaker 1: you freeze your eggs, it's just the egg. It's the
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Speaker 1: first half of IVF, and the eggs are more fragile,
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Speaker 1: they're harder to dethaw. You don't have as great of
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Speaker 1: a success rate when you dethaw them, so you need
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Speaker 1: more eggs.
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Speaker 2: Was that a big decision for you to make?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was huge. I'm a really holistic person, like
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Speaker 1: I try not even to take advil if I don't
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Speaker 1: have to, and so the idea of putting hormones in
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Speaker 1: my body terrified me. And I'm glad I did it.
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Speaker 1: I got fifteen eggs, twelve that were genetically healthy, which
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Speaker 1: is not really enough. I should have done another round
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Speaker 1: to get twenty eggs. I just could not imagine doing
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Speaker 1: it again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard, it's a really hard one.
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Speaker 1: It was tough. The six months after were harder for
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Speaker 1: me actually than the actual process because.
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Speaker 2: You have to rebalance your hormones.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't even recognize it because I treat my
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Speaker 1: body like a machine and I'm just like, let's get
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Speaker 1: to it. But in hindsight, like I was overly emotional.
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Speaker 1: I think for six months I was bloated. I didn't
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Speaker 1: fit into my genes the same way. Like it was
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Speaker 1: just a lot of discomfort. But I'm glad I did it.
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Speaker 1: And I never felt more proud of my body, which
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Speaker 1: was cool. And I think you feel proud regardless of
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Speaker 1: the outcome. You had the courage to try something.
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Speaker 2: What made you do it? Because you're only thirty four now,
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Speaker 2: so when did you do it?
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Speaker 1: Thirty two?
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Speaker 2: So what made you do it?
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Speaker 1: I really want kids. I do not want to miss
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Speaker 1: that opportunity in my life. And I didn't have a partner.
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Speaker 1: I still don't have a partner, And I was like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how long I'm not going to have
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Speaker 1: a part What if I never find a partner?
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Speaker 2: Why would you think that I think I will, but
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Speaker 2: you never know. But I feel like also that pressure
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Speaker 2: of the timeline.
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Speaker 1: I constantly feel like I'm running out of time because
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Speaker 1: of it. I wake up sometimes like ready for my day,
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Speaker 1: like I'm running out of time I have to go
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Speaker 1: have kids.
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Speaker 2: That's kind of crazy. So many people don't realize that
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Speaker 2: this clock ticking is so loud in your body and
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Speaker 2: in your head as you get older, Like men don't
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Speaker 2: have to think about it.
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Speaker 1: The clock ticking is so loud because you had kids
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Speaker 1: so young. Do you feel like the clock is ticking
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Speaker 1: in other ways or no?
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Speaker 2: No, And you know what, when people ask me about
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Speaker 2: how it is to be a young mom, there's obviously
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Speaker 2: cons to it as well. But I have to say
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Speaker 2: the advantage is the fact that it's done and I'm
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Speaker 2: still young and I can raise them and I can
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Speaker 2: live my life. But on the other side, because I
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Speaker 2: also had them so young when they were little, like,
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Speaker 2: I don't remember a lot of the first couple of
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Speaker 2: years because I was in such a daze. I was
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Speaker 2: a child myself in a way, you know. So I
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Speaker 2: feel like when you're older, you're present, you can really
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Speaker 2: appreciate the experience. I wasn't as present.
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Speaker 1: Did you feel that with your third more?
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Speaker 2: Even the birth. The birth with the third was so
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Speaker 2: different because with my first, when they pulled him out
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Speaker 2: and they put him on me, I didn't have this
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Speaker 2: like maternal instinct kicking out of me. I was just
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Speaker 2: like what am I doing now? Second was a little
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Speaker 2: bit better, but the third was just an out of
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Speaker 2: body experience where it was just like him and I.
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Speaker 2: Even Gary still is mad at me because he's like,
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Speaker 2: you didn't let me into that experience. He was beside me.
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Speaker 2: I was twenty eight, but it was such a moment
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Speaker 2: of just me and Maxie and he did not have
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Speaker 2: room in there. I feel so sad for him because
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Speaker 2: he really wanted to be.
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Speaker 1: Part of it. But you're full of self.
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Speaker 2: But I'm full of self and that child that came
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Speaker 2: out of me, and there wasn't enough room for everybody.
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Speaker 2: But I think that was kind of the birth that
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Speaker 2: helped me be at peace with the other two where
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Speaker 2: I didn't feel it. I'm happy that I had a
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Speaker 2: completely different experience, but that was my third, so I
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Speaker 2: think that older moms really like immersed themselves in that experience.
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Speaker 1: My good friend from growing up just had a kid
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Speaker 1: at thirty eight, she's starting thirty nine, was her first child,
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Speaker 1: and she's so calm, and I'm like, how are you
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Speaker 1: so cam I'm more nervous than she is. But I
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Speaker 1: do think some of that is her age.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, really brings you down, Like you don't think about
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Speaker 2: stupid stuff, you know, you kind of really focus on
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Speaker 2: what matters. I was thinking about a lot of stupid stuff.
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Speaker 2: That's kind of the minus of it. But I can
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Speaker 2: only imagine and like really sympathize with this idea of
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Speaker 2: like I need to do all of this. I need
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Speaker 2: to build my career, and I need to find a partner,
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Speaker 2: and I need to get married.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot. Well, what's hard to I think for
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Speaker 1: a women is a lot of times when you hit
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Speaker 1: that stride in your career, because it takes time if
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Speaker 1: you're building, unless you get like super fortunate, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: happen overnight. So I'd say I'd probably hit a stride
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Speaker 1: last year for the first time. I was thirty three,
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Speaker 1: and like that's peak parenting age, you know, And so
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Speaker 1: a lot of times I think those two things collide.
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Speaker 1: It's the one part of feminism that I think we're
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Speaker 1: still trying to figure out. It's really hard.
17:52
Speaker 2: That's really hard. But I think you're doing a great job,
17:54
Speaker 2: and freezing the eggs is a great move to kind
17:56
Speaker 2: of reclaim some of that time.
17:58
Speaker 1: I feel that way. I do. I think it took
18:00
Speaker 1: a little bit of the pressure off. It's almost like
18:03
Speaker 1: buying insurance. Do you think being a boy mom shaped you?
18:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly I think I would mess a girl up.
18:10
Speaker 2: If I had a daughter, I would be so scared.
18:13
Speaker 1: I think you might have another baby. Why you say that.
18:15
Speaker 1: I just have this feeling and I think it's gonna
18:17
Speaker 1: be a girl. I'm on record, I don't think so,
18:20
Speaker 1: because I just got used to this, Like I'm in
18:25
Speaker 1: a honeymoon stage with my kids, and yes, I see
18:28
Speaker 1: them growing and I'm like hmm. But I also just
18:31
Speaker 1: really believe there's like season for everything in life, and
18:34
Speaker 1: you can't be greedy. I don't think i'll do well
18:36
Speaker 1: with a baby. Now you're in career mode.
18:38
Speaker 2: I'm in career mode. I mean, like, I really want
18:40
Speaker 2: to prioritize my marriage, you know, And now we have
18:44
Speaker 2: the space too without like feeling someone is abandoned, you know,
18:49
Speaker 2: So I want to like get into that phase in
18:51
Speaker 2: our lives.
18:52
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you the most personal thing you
18:54
Speaker 1: can totally tell me to buzz off. Okay, So I
18:57
Speaker 1: was at dinner with some of my camp friends I
19:00
Speaker 1: used to go to overnight camp, which your kids are
19:02
Speaker 1: about to do, and there was probably eight women there ages.
19:07
Speaker 1: I was the youngest, so thirty four to forty four,
19:11
Speaker 1: maybe even forty eight, And somebody made a joke like
19:14
Speaker 1: who wants to have sex with their husbands? And they
19:17
Speaker 1: all laughed and were like, yeah, who wants to have
19:20
Speaker 1: sex with their husbands? And I was like, no.
19:23
Speaker 2: What I always think about when you are not married
19:27
Speaker 2: or don't have kids, and you are in that group
19:30
Speaker 2: of people that have kids and are married, they're not
19:32
Speaker 2: allowed to say stuff like that. If there's a non
19:35
Speaker 2: married woman at the table, there's like a rule.
19:37
Speaker 1: They broke the rule. I still think about it. I'm like, so,
19:41
Speaker 1: should I just be having all of the good stuff now?
19:43
Speaker 2: I mean yes, But also there is a phase in marriage,
19:48
Speaker 2: especially when the kids are little. Listen to me, you
19:51
Speaker 2: really learn like all the things that you dislike about
19:55
Speaker 2: your partner when the kids are little, because they really
19:57
Speaker 2: amplify not only did your sleep, you also stress, especially
20:01
Speaker 2: if it's your first and you're figuring out this whole
20:04
Speaker 2: parenting thing and there's just so many things at play,
20:08
Speaker 2: and not even take into consideration where you're at with
20:10
Speaker 2: your career or anything else, there's just so many factors
20:13
Speaker 2: that are really there, like to test the kind of
20:18
Speaker 2: bond that you have. So those years are kind of interesting,
20:22
Speaker 2: and you also don't feel good. You don't feel like yourself,
20:25
Speaker 2: and it's difficult to get back to that feel. But
20:29
Speaker 2: the reason why I'm saying like, at this point in
20:31
Speaker 2: my life I want to prioritize my marriage is that
20:34
Speaker 2: we're past that phase and there's so much to like
20:39
Speaker 2: explore and do, and we're like different people than we
20:42
Speaker 2: were when we had kids or when the kids were
20:44
Speaker 2: five and six. Like, we're different people, especially Gary and
20:46
Speaker 2: I were very active and we're developing ourselves together and
20:49
Speaker 2: a part. So if you don't like remember that and
20:52
Speaker 2: go back to that, then it's like, hey, I need
20:54
Speaker 2: to now, you know, go back to this and prioritize this.
20:57
Speaker 2: Then yeah, then you're like, oh, yeah, I.
21:00
Speaker 1: Just don't want to feel that. I know this may
21:02
Speaker 1: sound strange, but every guy I've ever seriously dated there
21:06
Speaker 1: will be a moment where I'm on the couch and
21:07
Speaker 1: like I have to go to the grocery store. Somebody
21:09
Speaker 1: has to go get food, and I'm like, no, don't go,
21:12
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to be apart from you. But
21:14
Speaker 1: that's still there, and that's what I'm hoping is not lost.
21:19
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's lost when you are connected
21:22
Speaker 2: with your partner one hundred percent. It just looks different
21:25
Speaker 2: than the way it is when you just first start dating.
21:28
Speaker 2: But it's also you have to participate. I don't know.
21:32
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot. We talked about it
21:33
Speaker 2: with Gary. I'm like, I feel like it's our renaissance
21:36
Speaker 2: now because the kids are older and they're going to
21:38
Speaker 2: go to sleep away camp. It's fun, it's nice. It's
21:40
Speaker 2: like discovering each other again, you know, because you'll be surprised.
21:45
Speaker 2: Throughout the marriage. There are times where you feel like
21:47
Speaker 2: roommates because you are taking care of everything else.
21:50
Speaker 1: So you have a rule you don't talk about it
21:52
Speaker 1: in front of unmarried women.
21:54
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the same thing with birth. I have like
21:57
Speaker 2: girlfriends that are like giving birth. I'm not going to
21:59
Speaker 2: talk about negative birth experiences, like you don't know.
22:03
Speaker 1: But sometimes they should know no, no.
22:05
Speaker 2: Because you amplify everything, Like you were sitting there being like,
22:08
Speaker 2: what do you mean? No, I'm not going to have
22:11
Speaker 2: sex with my husband, you know what I mean. But
22:14
Speaker 2: they're not giving you like contacts, and they're not giving
22:16
Speaker 2: you the complexity of it all and the seasons. Like
22:19
Speaker 2: there's so much there.
22:21
Speaker 1: That's very wise. Is it ever hard putting your marriage
22:24
Speaker 1: out into the public, because I see some of the
22:26
Speaker 1: comments when you talk about Gary or have videos, and
22:29
Speaker 1: the two of you are very honest. I respect it
22:31
Speaker 1: a lot.
22:32
Speaker 2: To honest for America, especially Gary, Oh my god, Gary
22:36
Speaker 2: triggers people. Gary triggers women, and I understand because he
22:42
Speaker 2: has a way and the way he speaks and carries himself.
22:47
Speaker 2: Also with his age, it's just like he knows who
22:49
Speaker 2: he is. He's unapologetic about it and that's it. But
22:52
Speaker 2: the way he speaks sometimes it sounds like facts. So
22:55
Speaker 2: for people, especially these days where everything is like a
22:58
Speaker 2: question market the end, it's hard.
23:00
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I do think that's what it.
23:02
Speaker 2: Is, one hundred percent. I'm telling you I've been sitting
23:05
Speaker 2: dissecting and for years now.
23:07
Speaker 1: Does it ever affect your actual relationship? No?
23:10
Speaker 2: I think that it benefited our relationship because there are
23:13
Speaker 2: certain things where I was like, oh, that's so interesting,
23:16
Speaker 2: you know what, Yeah, that is a bit. I wonder
23:18
Speaker 2: if he ever like looked at the way he responds
23:20
Speaker 2: to certain things and I bring it to him, and
23:22
Speaker 2: I'm like, just you know, see if that's something that
23:25
Speaker 2: you like about yourself or don't like about yourself, and
23:28
Speaker 2: do whatever you need to do with it. I never
23:30
Speaker 2: want to change him. That's, to me, is like the
23:33
Speaker 2: number one thing that I've seen my mother fighting an
23:37
Speaker 2: uphill battle trying to change her partners. So I never
23:41
Speaker 2: wanted to change Gary. But as much as he brings
23:45
Speaker 2: things to me to show my potential, I bring things
23:48
Speaker 2: to him. And I feel like a lot of people
23:50
Speaker 2: because I believe that everyone is a mirror. Through a
23:52
Speaker 2: lot of conversations, I was like, hey, this is an
23:55
Speaker 2: interesting point, you know, And he did take some of
23:58
Speaker 2: those to consideration. I did notice that his communication changed
24:02
Speaker 2: a little bit, but otherwise he's like I loved him
24:05
Speaker 2: when he was just very direct, rugged and unapologetic, so
24:09
Speaker 2: I don't want that to change.
24:11
Speaker 1: Well, you were also used to direct communication, Like it
24:13
Speaker 1: sounds like your mom's direct.
24:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. I feel like it saves a
24:17
Speaker 2: lot of time. I also don't need things to sound
24:22
Speaker 2: a certain way in order for me to understand the message.
24:25
Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Yes, I think that right now,
24:28
Speaker 2: at this time and age, we're focusing a lot on
24:31
Speaker 2: delivery and less about the message. And I personally value
24:37
Speaker 2: more the message and what you're trying to teach me
24:39
Speaker 2: or show me than the other nuances. Yeah.
24:43
Speaker 1: Again, I think that's pretty wise.
24:45
Speaker 2: So I'm not triggered by those things, but I understand
24:47
Speaker 2: how others are. You know what else that so many
24:51
Speaker 2: people got triggered, which was so interesting because you know,
24:53
Speaker 2: when you do snippets from the podcast, people don't have
24:56
Speaker 2: contacts to the conversation. So there was this moment where
24:59
Speaker 2: I said, when the kids were little, Gary wasn't as
25:02
Speaker 2: present as I wanted him to be. He was, obviously there,
25:05
Speaker 2: was providing, was playing with the kids, he was doing
25:07
Speaker 2: all the things, but you can tell that it's like
25:10
Speaker 2: he's not in.
25:11
Speaker 1: It in your relationship or in the family.
25:13
Speaker 2: With the kids. He wasn't like skipping to do bad
25:17
Speaker 2: time or read a story or change a diaper, which
25:20
Speaker 2: in my head, I was like, that's what you'll be
25:24
Speaker 2: so happy to do. But in reality that wasn't the case.
25:27
Speaker 2: When I came to him and I talked to him
25:29
Speaker 2: about it, he was very upfront with me and he said,
25:33
Speaker 2: I don't enjoy it at all. I give you the
25:36
Speaker 2: support you haven't any I'm there when you need me,
25:39
Speaker 2: you need me to be there, I'll be there, but
25:42
Speaker 2: I don't love doing it. So I'm just being honest
25:44
Speaker 2: with you. But I will come into the picture fully
25:49
Speaker 2: in a way that will exceed your expectations. When they're
25:53
Speaker 2: going to be a little older, and I had to
25:56
Speaker 2: make the decision of like, am I making this an issue?
26:00
Speaker 2: Like are we fighting about this? Or am I trusting him?
26:04
Speaker 2: And this is what it is right now. I'm nurturing them.
26:08
Speaker 2: This is the years of like mommy, mommy, I have
26:10
Speaker 2: an annea of help. He's there obviously around, but not
26:14
Speaker 2: in this capacity that I saw it to me. And
26:18
Speaker 2: when they turned like I would say, five six, he
26:22
Speaker 2: became super dad. And thank god, because otherwise I'll be
26:27
Speaker 2: so fucking annoyed because you promised me. But I had
26:30
Speaker 2: this fear in me. I'm like, is he going to
26:32
Speaker 2: do what he promised me? He'll do? And obviously he
26:35
Speaker 2: did above and beyond, Like he's now the main parent
26:39
Speaker 2: in the house, which is amazing because the boys really
26:43
Speaker 2: need him now, Like he's shaping the men they're going
26:46
Speaker 2: to become, where I am kind of taking the back seat.
26:49
Speaker 2: I'm there, but he's leading the way. And it's also
26:53
Speaker 2: amazing timeline because now I am able to focus on
26:57
Speaker 2: my career and what I want to do.
26:59
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like such a bad thing if it
27:01
Speaker 1: works for you.
27:02
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the things that people there were people
27:06
Speaker 2: there was this one woman. I confronted her because it
27:08
Speaker 2: pissed me off. She shared the video being like, oh
27:12
Speaker 2: my god, I feel so sorry for Valeria, Like who's
27:14
Speaker 2: going to save her and tell her that this is
27:16
Speaker 2: not right? And I'm like, girl, you got a two
27:20
Speaker 2: month old, like your first baby. You know, it's so
27:24
Speaker 2: interesting to me. But again I'm like, no, this is
27:26
Speaker 2: not about me. This is how she It's okay, everybody
27:29
Speaker 2: can have their opinions. But that was very controversial for
27:33
Speaker 2: a lot of people. But again, also, you know, people
27:36
Speaker 2: watch thirty second snippet and they don't get the full context.
27:39
Speaker 2: But yeah, things like that, I think that these are
27:42
Speaker 2: real conversations and real life that's happening that no one
27:46
Speaker 2: talks about. So when women or men, married couples are
27:50
Speaker 2: dealing with it, they're like, something is broken, something is
27:53
Speaker 2: wrong with us, but it's so normal and that's what
27:56
Speaker 2: we need more of.
27:57
Speaker 1: And you're never afraid to share it, which is why
28:00
Speaker 1: to me time ready to share everything?
28:02
Speaker 2: Well not everything, you shared some stuff. I feel that
28:06
Speaker 2: you are ready to start opening up.
28:09
Speaker 1: That's wild because I saw a psychic and she told
28:11
Speaker 1: me the same thing.
28:12
Speaker 2: That's all the confirmation you needed.
28:14
Speaker 1: So I always do rapid fire. Do you want to
28:16
Speaker 1: do them? Let's do it, Okay.
28:21
Speaker 2: Best perk of your job meeting different people from all
28:25
Speaker 2: walks of life.
28:26
Speaker 1: Oh I like that, I would say being in the
28:29
Speaker 1: room some rooms, not all the rooms, but like same thing.
28:32
Speaker 1: You get to meet interesting people.
28:33
Speaker 2: And there are not part of your network per se,
28:36
Speaker 2: you know, which that I love.
28:38
Speaker 1: A simple way to build more of a following online
28:40
Speaker 1: A quick tip.
28:41
Speaker 2: Open up, share yourself, tell your story. People need something
28:48
Speaker 2: to connect to, you know. And I go back to
28:51
Speaker 2: this idea that social media made me such a better
28:56
Speaker 2: version of myself because in a way that was my therapy.
28:58
Speaker 2: I didn't need a therapist because I was going through
29:00
Speaker 2: it doing it. So if you're just listening and are
29:04
Speaker 2: okay to ask yourself the questions through these mirrors, you're
29:08
Speaker 2: able to learn a lot about yourself. It takes a
29:11
Speaker 2: lot of vulnerability, but it's a work that, like, I'm
29:14
Speaker 2: so happy that I did.
29:16
Speaker 1: I always tell people to have pillars, brand pillars, like
29:19
Speaker 1: four things, because sometimes, like if you're an expert on everything,
29:21
Speaker 1: they don't know what to come to you for.
29:23
Speaker 2: But I think that happens naturally you do. Yeah, Like,
29:26
Speaker 2: who do you see that is expert in everything? You
29:29
Speaker 2: have natural inclinations towards things.
29:32
Speaker 1: That you love to talk about. I don't know. I
29:35
Speaker 1: see people that like are experts in psychology and they're
29:39
Speaker 1: posting about cooking and then they're posting their kids.
29:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you see, these are people that are doing
29:44
Speaker 2: it wrong. And I'll tell you why, because they need
29:46
Speaker 2: the pillars, you know what, You're right? Actually it's social
29:49
Speaker 2: media one on one is you know, we have creator methods,
29:51
Speaker 2: so we talk about it all the time. But yeah,
29:53
Speaker 2: pillars are very important. But I also think that a
29:56
Speaker 2: lot of people when they take their pillars too seriously,
30:00
Speaker 2: they're blocking their creativity. So towards you, I'll talk about
30:04
Speaker 2: the psychologist right, not to put you on the spot,
30:06
Speaker 2: but the psychologists, let's say they have their expertise, they
30:10
Speaker 2: have their pillar. I think it's a beautiful way to
30:13
Speaker 2: connect with the audience when you show your humanity and
30:16
Speaker 2: different aspects of your life, if it's cooking or children.
30:19
Speaker 2: But if you don't have an aspect of your main
30:21
Speaker 2: pillar in that other content, then you're losing it. So
30:26
Speaker 2: when you're cooking, you can talk about something that connects
30:29
Speaker 2: to psychology. When you're with your kids, you somehow connect
30:32
Speaker 2: it to a lesson or something in psychology. That way,
30:35
Speaker 2: you're able to play around connect with your audience. But
30:40
Speaker 2: it's very clear that you're an expert in this.
30:43
Speaker 1: That's a really great tip. One thing you love most
30:46
Speaker 1: about your life right now?
30:47
Speaker 2: I don't know.
30:48
Speaker 1: I love everything.
30:49
Speaker 2: I'm so annoying. I'm sorry.
30:50
Speaker 1: I love everything that's beautiful.
30:52
Speaker 2: I've been very intentional in creating the life that I
30:56
Speaker 2: have now, so no complaints.
30:58
Speaker 1: How long have you felt that way?
31:00
Speaker 2: I would say the past two years. But I think
31:05
Speaker 2: moving to Miami was a huge shift for me because
31:08
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how much energy I was spending trying
31:13
Speaker 2: to match my energy to the city I was living
31:15
Speaker 2: in before Toronto, which I love. I love Canada, I
31:17
Speaker 2: love Toronto, But at some point I was vibrating in
31:22
Speaker 2: a different way and that environment wasn't fostering, you know,
31:26
Speaker 2: like it wasn't something that kept me going. So I
31:29
Speaker 2: was working so hard to continue being motivated and inspired.
31:32
Speaker 2: And once we moved to Miami, it's like click. It's
31:37
Speaker 2: truly magical. What happens to you when you're where you're
31:41
Speaker 2: meant to be.
31:42
Speaker 1: What's hard about your life right now?
31:43
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say hard. I would say challenging. Sometimes it
31:47
Speaker 2: is just the constant balls in the air that you
31:51
Speaker 2: need to catch. But I don't think it's something that's
31:54
Speaker 2: hard to figure out. It just requires me to be
31:56
Speaker 2: more diligent and like clear scheduled.
32:01
Speaker 1: Think mine is that a lot of times when we
32:03
Speaker 1: want professional growth, it actually comes from personal growth. And
32:08
Speaker 1: I think I probably have to make some decisions in
32:10
Speaker 1: my personal life in order for everything else to flourish.
32:13
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that you know exactly what you
32:16
Speaker 2: need to do because you actually it's suck. A team
32:19
Speaker 2: that came up a few times in our conversation.
32:22
Speaker 1: The version of you from ten years ago could see
32:24
Speaker 1: you now. What would surprise her the most?
32:26
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that I have the courage to do
32:29
Speaker 2: what I do, just like showing up every day and
32:32
Speaker 2: sharing my point of view. It's insane to me. It
32:35
Speaker 2: goes my mind.
32:36
Speaker 1: What about you? I think making a living doing something
32:39
Speaker 1: I love that I kind of like created from thin
32:42
Speaker 1: air when I moved here, Like everyone thought it was
32:45
Speaker 1: a joke. How do you make money being a TV
32:48
Speaker 1: host or like a journalist or any of that, like
32:51
Speaker 1: in today's world without a proper job. I like started
32:55
Speaker 1: on the internet. I didn't start at a local news station.
33:00
Speaker 2: Well, but you did your rounds, you did all the things,
33:04
Speaker 2: you took all the stops. You just did it very
33:06
Speaker 2: quickly and realized very quickly that it's not the path.
33:10
Speaker 1: Okay, a book that changed your life, something you think
33:13
Speaker 1: everybody should read.
33:14
Speaker 2: I feel like I say the same books every time,
33:16
Speaker 2: but I've realized that that book needs to meet you
33:19
Speaker 2: at a certain point in your life.
33:21
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
33:21
Speaker 2: Because there's so many books that got recommended to me
33:24
Speaker 2: and I picked them up, and I'm like, that does
33:26
Speaker 2: not make sense. So it really depends where you are,
33:29
Speaker 2: but for me in different points in my life. New
33:31
Speaker 2: Earth Echer totally was really powerful for me. That really
33:36
Speaker 2: made me look at motherhood and emphasize how important for
33:40
Speaker 2: me to find kind of my own identity aside from
33:44
Speaker 2: all the roles that I was playing. So that was
33:46
Speaker 2: New Earth. How to know a person was very amazing
33:49
Speaker 2: for me when I started with the podcast, just really
33:52
Speaker 2: gave me an insight into how to have conversations and
33:55
Speaker 2: see people. And then a man search for meaning was
33:59
Speaker 2: also very powerful that I still like go back to
34:03
Speaker 2: all the time. So those three I would say my
34:06
Speaker 2: top three.
34:07
Speaker 1: Those are great. I can't believe you read a New Earth.
34:09
Speaker 1: I pick it up and I'm like, what does any
34:10
Speaker 1: of this mean?
34:11
Speaker 2: But that's the interesting thing. I didn't read it entirely,
34:15
Speaker 2: and it's the kind of book that I pick up
34:17
Speaker 2: once a year and it connects. Sometimes I land on
34:21
Speaker 2: the chapter I'm like, this is exactly what I needed,
34:23
Speaker 2: And a lot of other times I'm like, yeah, no,
34:26
Speaker 2: not there yet to understand this, you know. But that
34:29
Speaker 2: to me is one of the most powerful books, the
34:33
Speaker 2: ones that you know there's something in there, you just
34:35
Speaker 2: haven't reached that point to really understand it, yet I
34:39
Speaker 2: love it, so I always go.
34:40
Speaker 1: Back to it. I want to hear yours. Mine is Oprah,
34:44
Speaker 1: which sounds trite, but her book that is Wisdom on
34:47
Speaker 1: Sundays or something. The chapters are titled like Purpose Resilience,
34:53
Speaker 1: and so sometimes when I feel like I need to
34:55
Speaker 1: pick me up, I go to whichever chapter is calling
34:57
Speaker 1: me and I feel like, Okay, that's what I need it,
35:00
Speaker 1: like I just needed whatever those words were.
35:02
Speaker 2: I never read that.
35:03
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you. It's a quick read, something
35:06
Speaker 1: every woman should try once.
35:08
Speaker 2: I think everything you need to try once. What do
35:09
Speaker 2: you mean you're only here once?
35:12
Speaker 1: I love that.
35:13
Speaker 2: What it would be your answer?
35:15
Speaker 1: Really being on your own just once? Yes, like you
35:19
Speaker 1: don't have to be on your own for like a
35:22
Speaker 1: long time, but like feeling like you could stand on
35:25
Speaker 1: your own two feet without anybody else, I think is
35:28
Speaker 1: like so powerful for a woman. I think you can
35:31
Speaker 1: do that in partnership.
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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, but you first need to know how it
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Speaker 2: feels on your own. Yeah, I'm telling you. The number
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Speaker 2: one thing I keep reminding myself, especially as my kids
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Speaker 2: getting older. Now, I think the most monumental moment in
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Speaker 2: my life was when I left home early on because
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Speaker 2: I learned to be alone without being lonely. That was
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Speaker 2: really powerful, and I was never scared being alone again.
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Speaker 1: And there are many times in your life for all
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Speaker 1: you have is you. I always do the card at
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Speaker 1: the end, but I forgot them because I only gave
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Speaker 1: them to you. Can we do one?
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Speaker 2: So you go first?
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Speaker 1: Okay, mineus. What's your superpower? I think I am able
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Speaker 1: to pretty quickly see what is special about a person.
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Speaker 2: I can see that. Okay, I want to hear mine. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: tell me something about yourself that sounds made up, but
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Speaker 2: it's one hundred percent true. That I am an introvert
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Speaker 2: and I really like secondhand shoes.
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Speaker 1: That does sound made up, Hilaria.
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Speaker 2: I love as Selene. I buy mostly secondhand shoes.
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Speaker 1: Not persons, just shoes, shoes, and where do you get them.
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Speaker 2: On the real reil? In general, that's what I love
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Speaker 2: about vintage and thrifting and stuff. But just I feel
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Speaker 2: like I get to walk in someone else's shoes. There's
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Speaker 2: something about it that's like there's a story here, and
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Speaker 2: I'm like I get to be part of it. After
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Speaker 2: I spray some alcohol on it to.
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Speaker 1: Kill the drums. See, you really do love people's stories.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and their shoes.
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Speaker 1: All of this cameable circle. I can't believe you buy
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Speaker 1: secondhand shoes all the time.
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Speaker 2: All the time, the best ones, and I save money.
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Speaker 2: It's a win win for everything.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially Gary.
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Speaker 2: Gary doesn't know this weird thing that I have, Like,
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Speaker 2: these are great shooes. I'm like, thanks, they're new. But
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Speaker 2: one day I would love for the Real Real or
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Speaker 2: whatever other consignment store to have like a QR code
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Speaker 2: where you can scan and then see who it belong
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Speaker 2: to and maybe it will trace back to like nineteen nineteen,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 1: And I think it actually might increase the value, Like
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Speaker 1: what if Marilyn Monroe owned the shoes? We don't know.
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Speaker 2: I think we're onto something here.
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Speaker 1: Good shoes take you places. Okay, you know what time
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Speaker 1: it is. Today's a good day. To have a good day.
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Speaker 1: I'll see you next week. It is abst