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MLB realignment division dreams + Injury Expert updates on Wheeler, Hader, Roki, Judge, MORE · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he said.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he said. All right, let's get right to
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  Speaker 2: the good stuff here. Commissioner Rob Manfred on the Little
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  Speaker 2: League broadcasts that asked him about the eventual realignment that
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  Speaker 2: could occur, and he's like, yeah, of course. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he said, quote, I think the owners realize there's demand
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  Speaker 2: for him all being a lot of great cities, and
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  Speaker 2: we have an opportunity to do something good around that
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  Speaker 2: expansion process. But I mean the juicy part was the
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  Speaker 2: opportunity for them to separate this by region.
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  Speaker 3: Were they making it like the NBA, like the East
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  Speaker 3: and the Western Conference, and then they're going to play
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  Speaker 3: it off like that what they want to do.
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  Speaker 2: He talked about you heard about the West Coast games
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  Speaker 2: for the East Coast teams and that hurts the ratings
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  Speaker 2: and all.
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  Speaker 1: That, but they still have that in other leagues.
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  Speaker 3: You still have Braves, still have to go play the
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  Speaker 3: Mariners every other year.
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  Speaker 2: But less of it.
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  Speaker 1: How's it going to be less of it?
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  Speaker 2: Because they're going to realign and have divisions, like what,
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  Speaker 2: everybody's still.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna play everybody Everybody love everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody love everybody, but only a little bit, so
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  Speaker 2: you get less up.
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  Speaker 1: So basically this, you know, this effects Texas and Houston.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. It only affects Texas and Houston because then
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  Speaker 1: because they have.
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  Speaker 3: To go to the West Coast and play the Angels
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  Speaker 3: and the Mariners twice a year.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: What else is it?
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  Speaker 4: Effect?
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't change one other one other team affects two teams.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying, because the divisions already are regionalized enough, Uh
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  Speaker 2: tell me.
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  Speaker 1: Which team travels more. There's two teams that travel two
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  Speaker 1: time zones.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, sorry, American League and National League right has teams
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  Speaker 2: from all over the country put together. Now, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: with NBA Eastern Conference, Western Conference, we have a board
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  Speaker 2: built for this. Jim Boden wrote about this I think
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  Speaker 2: a year or two ago, and the.
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  Speaker 1: Time zones have nothing.
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  Speaker 3: That was that was the one thing where I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't matter because times because in the in the
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA, the Lakers and the Celtics still play
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  Speaker 3: one home game in one road game.
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  Speaker 1: They still got to go over there.
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  Speaker 3: The Mets are still going to have to travel to
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  Speaker 3: Anaheim every other year because they do the thing so
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  Speaker 3: once a year, they're gonna still have to travel there
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  Speaker 3: unless they change the schedule back to you know where
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  Speaker 3: the in the division is more.
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  Speaker 2: But it'll be less schedule because they're gonna play your
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  Speaker 2: Eastern Conference games more than your interleague or interconference games.
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  Speaker 2: You don't why am I off? But don't you?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So what every team?
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  Speaker 2: I understand that every team plays every team. But for example,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, okay, the Mets playing the Angels every
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  Speaker 2: other year one time they're playing in Anaheim, that's a
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  Speaker 2: lot less than the Mets will play every team in
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  Speaker 2: the National League, right, or even.
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  Speaker 1: Let's use they play every team in the National League.
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  Speaker 2: The Yankees are a better example, right because they're in
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  Speaker 2: the American League. So are the Angels. Okay, so they
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  Speaker 2: play in Anaheim every year. Okay, so if this scenario
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  Speaker 2: plays out, they're gonna play them every other year, so
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  Speaker 2: it's less. Why is that?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's stupid to me. That was
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  Speaker 3: the one thing he said, though, stupid. Now they want
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  Speaker 3: expansion because they want the money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course that's what they want, But you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to expand and re align. They're talking about realignment,
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  Speaker 2: of course, to a lot of people with like, wait, what,
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  Speaker 2: they've been talking about that for a long time. Wait,
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  Speaker 2: why is it crazy you're saying it?
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  Speaker 3: So why Okay, so let me ask, so, why would
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  Speaker 3: you if you go east and west? Right, then the
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  Speaker 3: the NBA does it. We're gonna use the NBA because
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  Speaker 3: they're East and West. You can't use football because they
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  Speaker 3: don't play everybody every year.
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  Speaker 2: But what I.
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  Speaker 3: Understand what you're saying about, they only go So you
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  Speaker 3: mean to tell me that they're going to take a
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  Speaker 3: traditional American League team like the Angels, and you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: take every team and put them like say American League
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  Speaker 3: team nationally.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw the division they're talking about doing.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever, we're gonna take all the whole West, the whole
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  Speaker 3: western half of the US, and the whole eastern half
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  Speaker 3: of the US, and the East coast teams are really
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  Speaker 3: only going to play the East Coast. They're only going
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  Speaker 3: to play the West Coast teams on the road once.
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  Speaker 2: Every other year potentially. Yeah, that's a big difference.
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  Speaker 1: It's a huge difference. But I don't get why why
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  Speaker 1: can't they still do I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know, whatever, miles my gas is expensive on those plants.
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  Speaker 2: Just wait, so let's show the Let's show the layout
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  Speaker 2: here while Kratz goes through his answer, so we can
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  Speaker 2: show the new divisions, because I think this helps to
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  Speaker 2: explain things. Now, this isn't what MLB laid out, This
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  Speaker 2: is what Jim Bowden lay scenario. Yeah, this is this
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  Speaker 2: is dated. And also keep in mind that the expansion
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  Speaker 2: is going to include a West Coast team, so it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a little off because in this scenario,
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  Speaker 2: Boden put two uh Eastern Conference teams in right in
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  Speaker 2: Nashville and in Charlotte. But he has the East Division
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  Speaker 2: as the Red Sox, the Mets, Yankees, and the Phillies.
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  Speaker 2: The North Division of the Eastern Conference has the Reds,
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  Speaker 2: the Guardians, the Tigers, and the Blue Jays. The Blue
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  Speaker 2: Jays fans are like, who is let's get out of
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  Speaker 2: the East. Mid Atlantic Division Baltimore, Charlotte, Pittsburgh, and Washington.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be very thrilled to be in that division too.
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  Speaker 2: Southeast Division Atlanta, Nashville and Tampa.
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  Speaker 1: Bay, Miami. Miami's in the southwest to southeast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah we're missing, We're missing.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Miami's in Miami.
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  Speaker 2: Midwest Division Chicago, both Chicago teams Milwaukee Minnesota. Southwest Division
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  Speaker 2: has the Astros, the Rangers, the Cardinals, and the Royals
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the country, and then the Pacific
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  Speaker 2: Coast Division would be the Rockies, the A's, Vegas A's,
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  Speaker 2: the Mariners, and the Giants, followed by the West Division
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  Speaker 2: with the Diamondbacks, the Angels, the Dodgers, and the Padres Krats.
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  Speaker 1: I like it.
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  Speaker 5: I like it for the blue Jays. The blue Jays
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  Speaker 5: are going to freaking They're going to be a large
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  Speaker 5: market team in small market. They're gonna look down on
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  Speaker 5: those dudes and be.
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  Speaker 1: Like, you guys, don't spend any money.
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  Speaker 5: We're gonna annihilate this division. I like it. I actually wish,
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  Speaker 5: I actually hope. I know we're not getting to our
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  Speaker 5: teams that we're gonna we think or cities that should
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  Speaker 5: you can mix it. Yeah, but I love that Charlotte's
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  Speaker 5: in there. I love that Charlotte is in there. I
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  Speaker 5: think Nashville. If Nashville is in a lock, I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: but I don't know who screws it up. If Nashville
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  Speaker 5: isn't a lot just as far as region wise and everything.
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  Speaker 5: But Charlotte, I think is a big League City.
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  Speaker 4: I get it.
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  Speaker 5: You need something out on the west coast or towards
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  Speaker 5: the west, so really kind of make that alignment more symmetrical.
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  Speaker 5: But I think I think it's great. I think it's
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  Speaker 5: great for Major League Baseball. They get to they get
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  Speaker 5: to keep all the big players in one division in
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  Speaker 5: the whatever the East, whatever that Eastern Division is, I'm
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  Speaker 5: not sure even what that was, but it's all all
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  Speaker 5: large markets. It'll force, you know, force everybody to keep
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  Speaker 5: complaining that that division has all the big teams and
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  Speaker 5: all that good stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But I like it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it changes as much as people think.
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  Speaker 5: My hope is that less travel. If there is less travel,
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  Speaker 5: if they can show that there's less travel, that it
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  Speaker 5: does help with players injuries because then we get to
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  Speaker 5: see the stars more often. Fans, you wanna have confidence
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  Speaker 2: if you're in Toronto and that's how the division plays out,
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  Speaker 2: because then you get to watch the Red Sox, Yankees,
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  Speaker 2: met and Phillies beat each other up. If you think
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  Speaker 2: those are the teams that are going to be in
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  Speaker 2: better positions. Yeah, but wait, let's get to the core
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  Speaker 2: of this. Fans are like, you can't realign, you can
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  Speaker 2: want draw this out.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't like the fact that you won't. I
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  Speaker 3: think I think there's a way to keep the National
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  Speaker 3: in the American League.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm more of a traditionalist in that in that sense,
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  Speaker 3: like I don't have a problem when team switch leagues
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  Speaker 3: and all that.
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  Speaker 1: You have a National American league. We're not the NBA. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the NBA. And that's the things why make
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  Speaker 1: it east And I don't know why.
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  Speaker 3: Novel I get it, but teams, teams have always had
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  Speaker 3: to deal with that.
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  Speaker 1: So listen, whatever they want to do, they're gonna do.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, they came to you and said, hey, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to cut down the travel some of the Dude, my.
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  Speaker 1: Trouble is easy. I never had a problem when you
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  Speaker 1: was in the Giants. You had to go east Red Sox.
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  Speaker 1: Here's it sucks. People think Red Sox Boston's close to
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  Speaker 1: New York.
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  Speaker 5: It ain't.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm saying, if you're on Boston, it's now, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to make life a lot easier for you
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  Speaker 2: with travel. It matters. Seattle, they deal with a lot
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  Speaker 2: they do. That's tough for them. That's an underrated component
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  Speaker 2: of what the Mariners deal with every year. They travel
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  Speaker 2: more than almost every team every year.
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  Speaker 5: Here's my one here's my one comment. And obviously this
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  Speaker 5: is not locked in stone who it's going to be,
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  Speaker 5: but major League Baseball has Boston or Jim Bowden has Boston, Yankees, Mets,
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  Speaker 5: Phillies all in their own divisions? What would that? What
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  Speaker 5: do they all have in common that every other team
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  Speaker 5: wants but they don't have they have their own network?
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  Speaker 1: Now what if.
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  Speaker 5: They start selling these selling these divisions, these conferences by
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  Speaker 5: the groups, because that's what that's what Manford wants, just saying.
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  Speaker 2: Phillies don't have their own network like that, it's probably NBC.
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  Speaker 5: It's NBC Sports, but it's NBC Philly. It's it's essentially
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  Speaker 5: their own I mean the.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: I mean the Giants also have the same NBC Sports.
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  Speaker 1: It's not their own network. They don't.
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  Speaker 2: They don't.
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  Speaker 1: They don't own like the Mets and the Yankees and
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  Speaker 1: the Red Sox do they own.
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  Speaker 2: That's to me, that's a whole separate, whole different things,
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  Speaker 2: which we've talked about a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Certain certain places get better ratings.
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  Speaker 3: Like that Mets, Phillies, Yankees, that would get you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's all worried about like the TV ratings. But then
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  Speaker 3: you throw in, I mean the reds that that division
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  Speaker 3: with Toronto, those ratings are gonna probably be less.
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  Speaker 1: Not knock on those fans. There's just less people there.
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  Speaker 2: How about this, You're gonna have more matchups between the
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  Speaker 2: Mets and the Yankees, the Cubs and the White Sox.
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  Speaker 2: You want a little more of that.
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  Speaker 3: No, they play six times a year already. I mean
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna play twelve times years. Then it waters it down.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like a little bit doesn't make it a spect.
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  Speaker 2: No again, you're on the White Socci and it's just like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: going to regular again.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the.
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  Speaker 1: Travel is great, but I played in the Central. The
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  Speaker 1: travel is always great in the Central.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna happen some people that are complaining about it.
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  Speaker 2: This has been planned for a long time. The surprising
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  Speaker 2: thing to me.
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  Speaker 1: The expansion teams. They go to Nashville and Portland, they
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  Speaker 1: go to Nashville and Salt Lake.
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  Speaker 3: Can they find teams that will give them two billion
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  Speaker 3: dollars hmmm or four billion whatever the expansion for you,
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  Speaker 3: whatever they decided is. And then they got to build
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  Speaker 3: a stadium, and then they got to do the teams
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  Speaker 3: and everything. So you're looking at five to six billion
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  Speaker 3: to get a team. There ain't a lot of places
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  Speaker 3: that can do that.
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  Speaker 2: I know, go ahead, quick to your teams. So we
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  Speaker 2: got to go in a second. Yeah, you guys Nashville right.
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  Speaker 1: In Nashville and salt Lake.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that one. I got Nashville
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  Speaker 2: and salt Lake as well. Just it's a pure money
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  Speaker 2: government situation. Is there money there from an ownership group?
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  Speaker 2: Is the government on board to give a lot of
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  Speaker 2: tax dollars? That's how they put these things together. That
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  Speaker 2: is the biggest factor. Obviously they've got to make sure it's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a market that they think is going to succeed.
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  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. But anyway, the part to me that
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  Speaker 2: was shocking about this yesterday wasn't that Manford spoke about it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you said anything that surprising. I was
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  Speaker 2: just like, what defans not know? I mean, this has
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  Speaker 2: been talked about for ten years. People were like breaking news,
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  Speaker 2: Rob Manfred talking about realignment. I'm like, they've been talking
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  Speaker 2: about this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's his legion, that's his legacy. He wants it done.
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  Speaker 5: He'll get it done.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with it. Will Carol injury expert under
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  Speaker 2: the knife the sub stack, make sure you check it out.
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  Speaker 2: Will great to have you on. Of course, we always
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: have you on with with bad news. Just it is
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  Speaker 2: what it is. You're used to the role here, So
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: we do want to start with one that seems pretty
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: serious even from you know, a non baseball perspective. Can
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  Speaker 2: you dive into the right upper extremity blood clot that
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  Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler is dealing with for the Phillies.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, this one's really complex and we The first thing
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  Speaker 6: we have to deal with is importance. You know, baseball
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  Speaker 6: is secondary when we have any sort of injury like this,
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  Speaker 6: where there's even the chance that this is life threatening,
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  Speaker 6: let alone career threatening. Now, we've got a lot of
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  Speaker 6: treatments for this. They could easily take care of this
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  Speaker 6: with medicine. There are some procedures to kind of roto
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  Speaker 6: root it out. That sounds terrible, but that's pretty much
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  Speaker 6: what it is. But they've got to fix this clot first.
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  Speaker 6: Then they've got to come back and figure out why
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  Speaker 6: it had the clot. You know, is this something that
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  Speaker 6: happened in travel, Is this something that happened just from
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  Speaker 6: health or genetics, or is this something from the repetitive stress.
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  Speaker 6: We see situations where just that over and over overhand
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  Speaker 6: throwing motion comes back and gets you. You're beating that
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  Speaker 6: that artery or vein that blood vessel they and clots
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  Speaker 6: build up. It sort of leaks a little bit, and
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  Speaker 6: then it tries to clot up the way.
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  Speaker 4: It would with anything. So they have to take care
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  Speaker 4: of that.
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  Speaker 6: After they figure out the root cause, then we can
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  Speaker 6: start looking at it.
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  Speaker 4: Is it just gonna be medicine.
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  Speaker 6: Is it going to be something where they have to
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  Speaker 6: go in and remove a rib that happens a lot
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  Speaker 6: has that in common with thorcic outlet syndrome, though it's
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  Speaker 6: not the same. We've seen this injury more and more
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  Speaker 6: just because we have better diagnostics, but we're catching it earlier,
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  Speaker 6: which is leading to better outcomes.
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  Speaker 4: So with Zach.
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  Speaker 6: Wheeler right now, they've got to figure out how to
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  Speaker 6: take care of the clot first, second, why this came
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  Speaker 6: up in the second place, and then get back to
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  Speaker 6: the baseball questions.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, worst case scenario for obviously we're talking about blood clots.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not talking about death and it going somewhere, or
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  Speaker 5: seizures or strokes or anything. I'm talking about worst case
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  Speaker 5: baseball scenario and best case scenario.
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  Speaker 6: Best cases, they clear up the clot pretty quickly, they
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  Speaker 6: find a medicine he can deal with and he gets
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  Speaker 6: back to baseball in a fairly quick fashion. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 6: gonna be kind of variant. We've seen more of this
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  Speaker 6: in basketball, where Victor Wembanana Chris Bosh his career basically
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  Speaker 6: ended because of recurring clots.
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  Speaker 4: He simply couldn't fly, and that is a worry.
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  Speaker 6: Now Wheeler went back to Philadelphia, so they have to
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  Speaker 6: have some confidence that that's not a big problem, which
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  Speaker 6: tells me they're thinking this is the repetitive stress and
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  Speaker 6: if so, they're gonna chunk that rib. He comes back
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  Speaker 6: at the start of next season, but he's out for
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  Speaker 6: the playoffs. Best case, they just clear the clot he
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: gets back to throwing misses a couple of weeks.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, I got I got asked, because you're giving us
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: best case, he.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Said, he gave us there, and Judge, it's gonna be
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: out for a month. And now he's back. He came
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: back in ten days, so we were all we were
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: all like, oh, no, oh, the season's over, and then
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: boom he's back and he's doing all right.
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's not hitting for any power. I'm still convinced.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: He went way back on the game I did in
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: center field at all. I mean, he hit off the
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: guy's glove, but it went out.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: He's not hitting this month like he does.
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: He's a two home runs, so that's good sign, but
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: it took him a while to get there. I'm still
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: not convinced he's one hundred percent. He's out there playing,
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: he can get it done. I mean, the guy swings
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: so hard and has such odd mechanics that I am
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: still worried about him.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair understood, all right.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Now, Now we just talked about rookie Sazaki, and now
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: his rehab has him been going on? What do you
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: see out of Roki Sazaki? Because his villa's gone. He
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: was ninety eight to one hundred. Now he's ninety one,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: like ninety two.
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: That's the big worry is because when he was doing
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: live batting practice, there was talk about him living at
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: ninety six.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Ninety seven, and we were like, okay, now he's back, right.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: This guy has had a lot of arm injuries. He's
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: really young.
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: He had an elbow issue the year before he came over.
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: Since he came back, he's been you know, so baby
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: that we can't even tell really. So his velosity was down,
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: his control was everywhere. I can't think being in Oklahoma
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: City made him too nervous. So this is a concern.
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: He's got to get back to just pitching. And even
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: so at that point, where does he fit in. He's
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: probably not gonna be a reliever just because he has
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: a long complex warm up. Is he going to be
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: kind of maybe a tandem guy? Do you put him
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: in with Shoeyotani, who's building back up. He's at five
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: innings now. There's a lot of ways this could go,
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: but I think you guys got it right in the
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: previous segment. He's got a pitch well before he can
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: push his way in. They didn't spend so much money
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: that they have to bring him up. They've shown they
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: can burn money there in Los Angeles. But Sasaki's got
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: a lot of talent. They got to get him right,
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: all right.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: A team that needs started pitching is Michael is the Padres,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: and they need Michael King to get back. When a
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: guy's rehabbing from an arm injury, and the knee is
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: the thing that acts up without it obviously knowing did
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: he tweak it somewhere or something else. There was nothing
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: wrong in the MRI, but they removed a decent amount
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: of fluid out of it, and he had a recovery.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Is that more concerning?
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: Obviously, if you see some type of structure, structural damage
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: and an MRI, then you're like, okay, well we know
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: what it is. When there's no structural damage, is it
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: harder to diagnose and say, man, we can't just keep
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: taking fluid out and expecting this guy to go six
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: innings for us.
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're exactly right. The question is why let's talk
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: about the first thing? Is I hate the phrase no
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: structural damage because what's a structure? I mean his bone
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: structure is the niscus of structure. I would say yes.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: I think most people would say yes. Yet in an
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: MRI result, those things don't really show up. You know,
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: you're looking at ligaments, you're looking at bones. People talk about,
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: you know, we didn't see anything on x ray. Well,
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: the x ray didn't show the ligaments. That's not what
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: it does. It looks for bones. I think this is
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: a situation where he was doing a little too much.
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: He was focused on his arm. I don't think they
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: were letting him pitch too much where he threw off
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: the knee. I just think his mechanics were off and
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: he was slamming that knee in. If you think back
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: to my trout with that bone bruise, this is likely
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: something different. I couldn't find that he'd had any sort
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: of meniscus issues before, and this is usually what that
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: is that there's either a small tear or a previous
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: injury where the meniscus was removed and now we're starting
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: to see that bone on bone grinding in there. And
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: that's where you start to see some fairly significant deterioration
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: that can happen quickly, and the body's response to that
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: is swelling. That's the fluid they pulled out. So you
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: know when that's happening, it's going to repeat unless you
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: correct the problem.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of pictures they put so much pressure
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: on their front knee and when they you know they
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: so that's a lot of pressure on that knee. So
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: let's go to another picture, Chase Burns. It kind of
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: set the world on fire. What's the one thing you
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: don't want to hear when you talk about a picture?
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Flex are strained? Right?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: What does that always lead to?
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: A lot, I mean not always, but a lot of times. Right,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: it's flexer strain.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: And then it's Tommy John like, how big of a
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: deal is this for Chase Burns in the Reds that
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: he's got a what is it a grade one flexer strain.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but I know that
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: means he's got a sore elbow.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And this one is towards the elbow.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: They keep saying elbow rather than four arms, so you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: it's really on both sides that tendon. I think what
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: realizes a couple of things. First, it's a really low
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: grade tear. There's one, two, and three. One is you
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: know a little bit of tearing. Two is significant tearing
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: a chunk out of it. Grade three is well, you
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: got two winds. It's a full rupture. So they caught
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: it early. They've got great doctors there. Tim and his
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: staff do a great job with this. They've got an
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: MRI right there in his office, so they're able to
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: check this. I think that they caught it so early
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: is good. That Burns a guy who you know, had
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: the Wake Forest lab when he was in college.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: I think he's used to dealing with these kind of things.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: It's certainly not good, but like you said, we often
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: see it lead to further elbow problems. It's certainly a
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: red flag. So I think they'll be looking at this
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: in the off season. For now, it's a question of
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: how does the context of the team play out. Do
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: they stay in the race and he comes back in
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: If you remember, they've got his teammate and he hasn't
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: pitched much, I don't think at all this season. So
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: they've got to be careful with those young pitchers. They've
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: had a lot of injuries with those I don't want.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: To brush off elbow injuries, but I do want to
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: brush off young pitchers and go to my buddy Josh
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Hater closer for the Astros. Astros have been playing really
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: well with injuries. Now they lose their closer. Is there
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: better because it's a shoulder it's a shoulder strain, I
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: think is what he was listed at.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: No, I was gonna say, they're calling it a sprain,
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: but it's really neither. It's the shoulder capsule, kind of
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: that gummy thing that holds it in place. And some
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: people say, you know, it's cartilage, so it's not a sprain.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: Some people say, well, it's soft tissue, so we'll call
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: it a it's a capsule injury. That capsule starts to
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: get tears in it, and they used to kind of
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: heat shrinket, you know, like you do with packages. They
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: don't do that anymore because there wasn't much control. No
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: surgeon in the world wants to do surgery on a
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: shoulder capsule because it's so tough to get it right.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: There's a new technique where they kind of fold it over.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: You don't want that. You don't want injury to begin.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: This one is tough for a pitcher. Short of it's
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: road hitterorcuff shoulder capsule, and then Terry's major. Those are
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: the ones you really really don't want. This one's a
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: bad one. He's not coming back in the regular season.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: I don't know if he's coming back this season at all.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: But they're gonna have to get this right. He is
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: going to be doing a lot of work with the physios,
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: the rehab professionals, and hopefully not the surgeons.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: That's what I was gonna ask you, is there is
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: there a scenario where this works out better because he
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: is a closer and not a starter. Is there less
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: work in a sense? I've seen I've seen the rehab
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: without surgery. Is it less work for a closer, not
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: just because he doesn't have to ramp up his pitches,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: but just that like work period where you have to
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: like get that shoulder strengthened and not loose loosening, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: Lucy Goosey in the back there. Is it better for
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: a closer than a starter?
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Yes and no.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: It's it's you're exactly right that there's not as much workload,
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: but there's more force. So it's a question of does
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: you know one or two really hard things be worse
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: than you know ten things.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like the old you know, do I
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: want to fight.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: Ten horse ducks or one hundred duck sized horses?
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Both are not good.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: You don't want this injury, whether you're a closer, whether
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: you're a starter, whether you're a position player.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Hey, well thanks for going through the long list here
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: on a Monday, we saw players dropping down over the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: weekend and all that, Yeah, you got something final work, and.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: Kratz was mentioning not seeing a picture in the season.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: Is this still true with the age of the traject
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: machine where guys are seeing pictures and their stuff. Hundreds
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: of times even before and at.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: That nothing, nothing can replicate actual pictures that you're facing.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty close in my opinion the Traject. The Traject
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: does a great job. But when you're talking about guys
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: with the elite stuff, those traject machines throw pitches out there,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: you're like, for real, that's exactly.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: What it looks like.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: Some of them are spot on, but some of them,
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: especially with the unique pitches, especially when you talk about
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: like a Roki Sasaki, that machine going to try to
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: throw something out there and it's gonna look like a knuckleball,
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: and you're like, no way, that's actually it. But I
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: haven't worked with the Traject and then actually implemented into
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: the season, so I'm not one hundred percent just calling
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: on what people say.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Well, here's my thing, here's my big thing, and I
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: never hit off the traject. But it throws all strikes too,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: doesn't it. So it throws all strikes. It might be
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: different pitches, but it ain't throwing you the slider in
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: the dirt. It ain't throwing you the fastball above right,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: or does it like it can throw like sliders in
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the dirt.
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it can completely replicate exactly what the pitch was
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: from the data that MLB kind of the stat cast data,
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: And so if you saw a pitch in the dirt
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: or a slider that went outside that you chased, it
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: can replicate that. So you can see that pitch another
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: hundred times and figure it out.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: But plus, they don't use real balls though, right they
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: use aren't they softer ball scrouts?
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: They like to use softer balls. I forget exactly what
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: it is. But we'll have to get you guys in
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: with the trajet. Guys, they're friends of ours. You don't
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: want me to break that machine, will you know?
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I son of saw me with the bananas I did.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll take that intro. Yeah yeah, we'll take
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: the intro and see you guys face all kinds of
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: hell yeah, hell yeah. Well, good stuff. Thank you so
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: much for the time. UH injury expert. Will Carold make
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: sure you check out the substack under the knife. Appreciate you.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Thanks a lot,