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Calvin Ridley trade, future of the offense | Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, November 2 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jack's Ride John with Ashlyn Sulis, John O'shans
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Speaker 1: b Jacks Rode. John starts right now, it's definitely a
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Speaker 1: tough feeling when you become all this way, especially when
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Speaker 1: you've got guys that are working so hard and wan
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Speaker 1: and we're doing everything can and um just not finding
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Speaker 1: just not being able to finish the game there. So
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Speaker 1: but all we can do is just keep going to work,
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Speaker 1: keep doing what we've been doing. Um, we know how
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Speaker 1: close we are, but that's not really Uh, that's not
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Speaker 1: the point of thing. It's it's to go win games.
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Speaker 1: And um, you know it's gonna moments like this will
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Speaker 1: make it a lot sweeter when we do turn that
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Speaker 1: corner and we start we start winning a bunch of
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Speaker 1: Dames and doing all the things that we know we're
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Speaker 1: capable of here and and I got no doubt that's
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. Um, but I gotta play better, and I
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Speaker 1: just I'll leave it at that. You know, I didn't
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Speaker 1: play well enough to day to win. Trevor Lawrence post
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Speaker 1: game against the Broncos in London. Welcome to Jack Wars
1:00
Speaker 1: Drive Time on a Wednesday. A lot to talk about
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Speaker 1: for that game and a lot to talk about, and
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Speaker 1: the trade deadline is This is our first show back
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Speaker 1: since that game in London. Welcome and Brian John and
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Speaker 1: Ashland here with you. A lot to discuss. A lot
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Speaker 1: is happening so far. All right, let's go into a
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Speaker 1: big thing. One is Calvin Ridley, the Jaguars trading for
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Speaker 1: the Falcons wide receiver yesterday before the trade deadline was
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Speaker 1: up at four o'clock, a proven game changer, win healthy
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Speaker 1: and there's certainly a twist here. He will remain suspended
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Speaker 1: through this season for gambling last year and he will
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Speaker 1: apply for reinstatement into the NFL in February. When that happens,
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Speaker 1: hopefully he will then become an official member of the Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: I'll talk much more about this later on in the
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Speaker 1: show as we get into a big thing too, which
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Speaker 1: is a target. There is a target right now on
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars defense. While he did some good things against
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Speaker 1: the Broncos, the biggest issues they could not get off
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Speaker 1: the field when it matters most. And everyone will talk
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Speaker 1: about Lawrence and how he struggled against the Broncos, and
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Speaker 1: he absolutely did, but we also need to talk about
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Speaker 1: this defense and when it is on the line, they
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Speaker 1: get off the field. It's a big picture look right now.
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Speaker 1: For Doug Peterson, you know, these are obviously these last
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks are tough, you know, tough to take, um,
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Speaker 1: especially as hard as the guy's work and play. What
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Speaker 1: I'm proud of the guys are. They're They're playing for
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Speaker 1: sixty minutes right there, play into the end. If I
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Speaker 1: had to pick, I'd rather pick these types of games
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Speaker 1: then blowout games where you lose. Um. I think you
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Speaker 1: learn more in losses like this as a team where
2:30
Speaker 1: we are with the culture of our team. Um, then
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Speaker 1: then you would in a blowout loss. And you know, um,
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Speaker 1: my hat's off to the guys. You know, nobody's nobody's
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Speaker 1: gonna like I said, nobody's gonna hang their heads. You know,
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Speaker 1: we just gotta keep fighting. And finally, a big thing
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Speaker 1: three is belief. It is going to take some belief
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Speaker 1: to keep that headhell high for this franchise, and belief
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Speaker 1: in a young team on new coaching staff, and especially
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Speaker 1: belief in a young quarterback. We still have a lot
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Speaker 1: of a lot of trust and a lot of faith
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Speaker 1: in him. Uh and and we're just going to continue
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Speaker 1: to grow. We're gonna grow together, you know. And and
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Speaker 1: I just told him to keep his head up, stay confident. Um,
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Speaker 1: I want to put the ball back in his hands
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Speaker 1: and and and just show show the trust that we have,
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Speaker 1: that I have in him and that the team has
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Speaker 1: got to be better in in in a few situations.
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Speaker 1: But um, those are just again those are those are
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Speaker 1: really good learning opportunities for for Trevor, and now you
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Speaker 1: have it, those are big things. We will have Atlanta
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Speaker 1: Falcons played by play West Sternham joining us shortly on
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Speaker 1: the program. But before we get into this big Calvin
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Speaker 1: Ridley trade, I want to talk briefly about the game
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Speaker 1: because we haven't had the chance to against the Broncos
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Speaker 1: they followed to in six. It's a five game losing streak.
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Speaker 1: It's the same old story. It's a close game, could have,
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Speaker 1: should have, would have one. This is where this team
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Speaker 1: is at right now. And now we will have to
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Speaker 1: talk about the keeping the head hell high storyline. I
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Speaker 1: didn't get the sense that's a problem um with Trevor.
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Speaker 1: If you if you watched body language, and again I'm
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Speaker 1: somebody that does. I'll take umbradge with a word that
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Speaker 1: you use you said struggled, and I wouldn't say struggled
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Speaker 1: because he moved the ball against a very good defense.
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Speaker 1: I want to use the word stumbled. Right. Uh, he
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Speaker 1: stumbled into another stupid play, the throw into the end zone. Right. Um,
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Speaker 1: he stumbled into making the throw getting locked into Christian
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Speaker 1: Kirk and z Jones is running wide open underneath. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It isn't that he can't do it, it's that he
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Speaker 1: hasn't done it, right. Um. And the question now is
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Speaker 1: will he do it? I believe that he will, which
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Speaker 1: was where the belief comes in because I see it. Um.
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Speaker 1: But he's stumbling right now, and it's Doug and Press
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Speaker 1: and Jim, Bob and Mike's job to get him off
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Speaker 1: of the stumble bumble train. Yeah. I mean this is
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Speaker 1: the story that there's three things for this team, Trevor inconsistency,
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Speaker 1: red zone turnovers, and defense not hold in the league.
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Speaker 1: If you had all those things different, you probably seven
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Speaker 1: and one. But those are huge things in the NFL
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Speaker 1: major story. I agree with schlenn defense is a big storyline.
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Speaker 1: But in the long run that I believe, as you
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Speaker 1: add pieces moving forward every years, that's gonna work. Stelfout
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Speaker 1: Trevor is a huge story. Um. Doug firmly believes the
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Speaker 1: year two in the system, next year, these this thing,
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Speaker 1: these inconsistencies are going to start to sort of grow
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Speaker 1: out and even out. I believe that too, probably because
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Speaker 1: I trust Doug Peterson Nos quarterbacks. But Trevor can't play here.
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Speaker 1: The other day. It was not just one play, it
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Speaker 1: was it was a lot of plays. And I thought
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Speaker 1: after the first touchdown, once that interception happened, I thought
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Speaker 1: he lost confidence a little bit, which makes sense. You're
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Speaker 1: a young player. We're seeing the growth of maturation and
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Speaker 1: we don't know what's at the end except it's intriguing.
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Speaker 1: Except that he took them down the field and gave
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Speaker 1: them the lead. So he's shown the ability to do that.
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Speaker 1: He did. He put them all the way down the
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Speaker 1: field against the Giants and they came up a yard short.
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Speaker 1: He had that master full eighteen play drive in Indianapolis.
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Speaker 1: He is showing you signs that he can do it.
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Speaker 1: It isn't getting done consistently. And then you have a
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Speaker 1: huge problem on defense. And I don't even know where
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Speaker 1: to go with it because you can't put it all
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Speaker 1: on that one corner. But that one corner is such
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Speaker 1: a black hole, right, And what you saw there was
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Speaker 1: the exact same thing that we saw on opening day
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Speaker 1: in Washington. The corner lost outside leverage and the safety
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Speaker 1: was nowhere to be found. Everyone knew where the ball
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Speaker 1: was going, the quarterback, the wide receiver, the corner. Everyone knew,
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Speaker 1: and still they gave up that play that can't happen.
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Speaker 1: Can't happen if it's special matters. There the third string
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Speaker 1: offensive tackle and a backup center and a backup right tackle.
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Speaker 1: Come on, I mean, that's where the guys you paid
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Speaker 1: up front are supposed to make plays and help the
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Speaker 1: guy who's in and shouldn't be. There's a lot of
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Speaker 1: different angles to the defense. Yes, lots of talk about
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Speaker 1: and that's when coach Peterson says in post game, hey
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Speaker 1: are playmakers have to make plays. That's the perfect example
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Speaker 1: of that in that moment. All right. That is big things,
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Speaker 1: way more to talk about as we bring up this
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Speaker 1: Time on a Wednesday, breaking down this trade deadline in
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Speaker 1: this big drade trade for the Jaguars, Cow and Ridley
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Speaker 1: to the Jaguars, And no one better to bring on
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time than West Durham Atlanta Falcons play by
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Speaker 1: play joining us now, West, thank you for waking up
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Speaker 1: with us. Come on in Ashlyn, how are you? We
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Speaker 1: are doing great, very excited about this trade and a
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Speaker 1: lot to talk about with this. But I think big picture, West,
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Speaker 1: what kind of player the Jaguars getting with Calvin Ridley. Well,
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Speaker 1: when he left the field at the front end of
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Speaker 1: last year, Calvin Ridley I thought was one of the
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Speaker 1: ten best wide receivers in the National Football League. And
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Speaker 1: when you go back and look at his career in Atlanta, Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, when he stepped away from the field a
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Speaker 1: year ago, he had played in less than fifty games
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Speaker 1: and yet was averaging almost fifteen yards or fourteen yards
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Speaker 1: to catch. And so I think you're getting number one,
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Speaker 1: a relatively young wide receiver who's got some veteran presence
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Speaker 1: about him, which is probably a good thing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: less than fifty games and the success he's had. It's
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Speaker 1: probably exactly what Doug Peterson and UH and those guys
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Speaker 1: were looking for. And I think he'll be a guy
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Speaker 1: that that Trevor can lean on early because he's going
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Speaker 1: to be anxious to get back on the field after
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Speaker 1: not only the mental health situation but obviously the suspension
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Speaker 1: this year. And I think he's gonna want to make
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Speaker 1: an impact in his new home. You know, the minute
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Speaker 1: I saw West good morning that the trade went through,
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Speaker 1: I thought, there's our reason to finally have Westernham on
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Speaker 1: Jags count. I mean, we're looking for seven. Don't I
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Speaker 1: get credit? Don't I get credit to coming from Carter's
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Speaker 1: old Georgia to the show this morning? Since this is
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Speaker 1: Lawrence's hometown. Don't I get credit for that? To? No,
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Speaker 1: you do. And I think we have to have a
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Speaker 1: conversation about Trevor Lawrence as well, since you are right
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Speaker 1: down the street from his boyhood home. But I want
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Speaker 1: to ask you if you think that Calvin really qualifies.
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Speaker 1: Is that top competitor, you know, the quality that scouts
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Speaker 1: are looking for, the guy that every time he's on
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Speaker 1: the field, he wants to win. Whether it's a three
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Speaker 1: yard pass or whether it's going up at the goal line,
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Speaker 1: you got to pull it in like Terry McLaurin did
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Speaker 1: against the Colts the other day. Is he a top competitor?
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Speaker 1: Will he fight like hell to get back on the
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Speaker 1: field in you know, Brian, I think he's going to
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Speaker 1: because I think he's missed it that much. Look, he
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Speaker 1: took himself off the field a season ago and then
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Speaker 1: the league took him off the field this year, So
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Speaker 1: once you kind of knocked the proverbial rustoff, I think
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Speaker 1: he's going to be back toward form. The question I
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Speaker 1: have is I've never seen anybody but Matt Ryan threw
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Speaker 1: him a pass. So there's going to have to be
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Speaker 1: that synergy developed with Trevor, and I think that's very possible,
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Speaker 1: certainly in Jacksonville. UM. The other aspect about him is
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Speaker 1: he's got an edge about him. I mean, just to
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Speaker 1: give you an example, a year ago, before the season started,
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Speaker 1: Atlanta did these combined practices ahead of their preseason game
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Speaker 1: at Miami, and Xavien Howard and all these other cats
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Speaker 1: at Miami started down the road on Ridley and he
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Speaker 1: torched them. And everybody keeps telling me what a good
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Speaker 1: secondary of that is. And he lit him up again
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of last year in the in the
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Speaker 1: training camp practices. So when he wants the competitive button
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Speaker 1: and the competitive juice pushed, Calvin Ridley is more than
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Speaker 1: able to do it. And I think you're gonna get him,
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Speaker 1: you know, And I may miss on this one. I'm
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Speaker 1: not gonna be gonna lie to you. I think you're
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Speaker 1: gonna get him at the full tilt because of the
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Speaker 1: circumstances that have taken him off the field the last
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Speaker 1: what will almost be eighteen full months, I guess west.
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Speaker 1: When he's right, I was in the yards per catches.
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Speaker 1: Is is very good for the NFL? Right now? When
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Speaker 1: he's right? Is he pure deep speed guy? Uh? How
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Speaker 1: does he manufacture these yards per catch? What kind of
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Speaker 1: receiver is he? Well, obviously the speed element is a
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Speaker 1: huge part of what he does. But I would also
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Speaker 1: tell you too, he's very good in traffic. Um. You
11:34
Speaker 1: gotta remember he played here with a with Julio Jones
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Speaker 1: uh for a couple of years, and while Julio was
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Speaker 1: the go or maybe the cross, Calvin was the opposite guy,
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Speaker 1: and in essence, when Julio was out of here at
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Speaker 1: the beginning of last year, Calvin had to become all
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Speaker 1: those things. And that's why Atlanta was comfortable with him
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Speaker 1: in that role until he decided to step away. Uh
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Speaker 1: five games into a six game campaign last season. Uh,
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Speaker 1: but I do think he is an impact guy. In fact,
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Speaker 1: you know, when I heard he was going to Jacksonville,
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Speaker 1: I kind of so, well, you know that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: You've got Kirk, You've got some tight endplay, but you
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Speaker 1: need a guy who can be the other guy if
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Speaker 1: you will. And I think he's clearly got a chance
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Speaker 1: to be the other guy, and he maybe can become
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Speaker 1: the star guy for you. But he his best football,
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Speaker 1: I still believe, as I said at the top, less
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Speaker 1: than fifty games into his career, I still think his
12:25
Speaker 1: best football may be ahead of it. All right, let's
12:27
Speaker 1: talk about Cartersville's favorite son and and and we should say,
12:30
Speaker 1: you know, I think your wife has worked with Trevor's mom.
12:33
Speaker 1: They know one another, they know one another, so yeah,
12:36
Speaker 1: and I know Jeremy and then look he's uh, you know,
12:39
Speaker 1: I got to meet him, and you know this story.
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Speaker 1: I saw him for the first time before a sophomore
12:43
Speaker 1: year in high school. So I've kind of seen the
12:45
Speaker 1: full legacy, if you will, of what he's done. All right,
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Speaker 1: So are you surprised that he's making the same error
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Speaker 1: right the throw into the end zone that costs against
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Speaker 1: the Texans last week in London? Are you surprised that
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Speaker 1: he's not thriving yet or do you just figure that's
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Speaker 1: the rise of a young quarterback. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: for folks who don't know, I mean you watched Matt
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Speaker 1: Ryan come in as a youngster and worked his way up,
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Speaker 1: so you know, give us the view from Cartersville on
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Speaker 1: the Lawrence. Well, obviously there are a lot of sixteen
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Speaker 1: Jersey's running around up here in Falcon Territory. Still, by
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Speaker 1: the way, right, um, I think the I think the
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Speaker 1: stuff he's going through now is what you would have
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Speaker 1: gone through in a typical rookie year, had he had
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Speaker 1: a typical rookie year. Um. And I'm not trying to
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Speaker 1: write off the bad chapters of what's happened in Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: the last you know, year and a half or so.
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Speaker 1: But but I think Doug Peterson is a perfect coach
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Speaker 1: for him. And I told you that when I saw
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Speaker 1: you in the preseason. And the reason I think he's
13:39
Speaker 1: the perfect coaches because of his track record. UM, and
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Speaker 1: I think the maturation process of the quarterback is just
13:45
Speaker 1: a year behind schedule because of all the stuff that
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Speaker 1: went on a year ago. And look, am I surprised
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Speaker 1: that the stuff happened the other day? Yeah? I am
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Speaker 1: a little bit. In fact, I was watching the game,
13:56
Speaker 1: you know, getting ready for our game against the Panthers,
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Speaker 1: and I saw the throat. I'm like, man, that's a
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Speaker 1: bad throw. How did that happen? Um? And I heard
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Speaker 1: you at the top side. You know, he had the
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Speaker 1: other throw available and didn't take it, you know, And
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Speaker 1: he can only speak to that process. But I will
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Speaker 1: tell you the one thing is I've always found out
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Speaker 1: with him is that he's wired to get better. Even
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Speaker 1: when you think he's reached the top of it, Brian,
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Speaker 1: I think he's still wired to improve. And I think
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Speaker 1: now this process of learning and going through these experiences
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Speaker 1: now with coach Peterson will benefit him. And I would
14:26
Speaker 1: like to thank the Jaguars down the road. For sure.
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Speaker 1: It's the perfect perspective. Thank you. I think that's what
14:31
Speaker 1: people needed to hear because if you consider this to
14:34
Speaker 1: be his rookie season with Doug Peterson. Uh he is. Yeah,
14:37
Speaker 1: he's eight games into this thing and people are panicking.
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Speaker 1: Plus he doesn't have that huge target, that alpha dog receiver,
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Speaker 1: and he will that he's wired to get better is
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Speaker 1: what everybody needs to hear. Thank you, West, you are
14:52
Speaker 1: the best my friend. Thanks. I appreciate it. Yes, West,
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Speaker 1: we all needed that perspective this Wednesday morning. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for that, and thank you so much for joining us
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Speaker 1: or that. Yes, what's not to like this? There's that, Brian,
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Speaker 1: what do you got? Risker reward? Real simple? What is
16:07
Speaker 1: greater is the risk? You've got a young man who
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Speaker 1: has spent eighteen months out of football, who stepped away
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Speaker 1: with you know, some mental mental issue. Sounds bad. He
16:17
Speaker 1: was trying to protect his mental health, right, which is admirable. Um,
16:21
Speaker 1: so there is some risk. But when you watch this kid,
16:24
Speaker 1: when you watch the highlights of this kid, when you
16:27
Speaker 1: understand what this team needs so desperately, the reward So
16:32
Speaker 1: what has the potential to be greater? Oh? Huge the reward.
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Speaker 1: I mean I got a lot of emails people, Oh
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Speaker 1: he's not helping him this year? Why they take this chance?
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Speaker 1: First of all, it's had a big risk. It's a
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Speaker 1: fifth round pick, and if he's My understanding of the
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Speaker 1: conditional is that if he's good and signs a second deal,
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Speaker 1: then it's it's a fifth and a second. Well, for
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Speaker 1: all the reasons they need the position. He might be
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Speaker 1: a top ten as Western said, top fifteen guy, and
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Speaker 1: if you dig deep, they were going to have to
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Speaker 1: try to find this in the draft next year. Plus,
17:14
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to find a corner in the draft
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Speaker 1: next year. Plus, it's not like this team's got a
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of impact players running around. There's some, but
17:21
Speaker 1: it's not they can't use other people in the draft
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Speaker 1: next year. If you got this without having to burn
17:26
Speaker 1: off a top okay, say twelve draft pick, then it's
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Speaker 1: a master stroke. There's no I don't think it's much
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Speaker 1: of a risk. I think the rewards high. Uh yeah, yeah, yes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And I get I understand fans saying, well,
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Speaker 1: he's not helping this year, Why does this matter? No
17:47
Speaker 1: one wants to here. But you're two and six right now,
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Speaker 1: and if this is a guy that can help you
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Speaker 1: next season, would you rather trade for someone who is
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Speaker 1: lesser of Calvin Ridley right now to win you three
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Speaker 1: more games? No, this is a big picture look at
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Speaker 1: the team. You hear coach Peterson say it every day.
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Speaker 1: If this is a Trevor Lawrence weapon next season, yeah,
18:02
Speaker 1: count me in. Plus, Brian, I think you're gonna go
18:04
Speaker 1: here anyway. If you were getting a player who was
18:08
Speaker 1: guaranteed to help you right now. It was gonna cost
18:11
Speaker 1: you a first, a second, a first, your firstborn, I
18:15
Speaker 1: mean the whole. That's really thing. They have a roster
18:20
Speaker 1: to build here. I don't think this team could afford
18:22
Speaker 1: to make it. Davante Adams trade. Where you take to first,
18:26
Speaker 1: a second, you start doing salary cap. You know they
18:29
Speaker 1: had to do something creative to be able to do
18:32
Speaker 1: this and the other things they're going to need. I
18:34
Speaker 1: agree with you. This is a bold It could be
18:38
Speaker 1: a very masterful stroke. Two things that stand out. One
18:41
Speaker 1: is it is you said big picture. It's big picture.
18:44
Speaker 1: If you think the Jaguars are just focused on nine games,
18:47
Speaker 1: you now understand how they're looking at this right. This
18:50
Speaker 1: was never just about This was about This is about
18:55
Speaker 1: a long term plan. And we can see what the
18:57
Speaker 1: Jaguars are two and six incomplete. This is a move
19:01
Speaker 1: for the long term with their quarterback. And the other
19:03
Speaker 1: thing is and I wrote it for quick thoughts, John Um,
19:06
Speaker 1: these guys don't get to the marketplace. Davante Adams was
19:08
Speaker 1: tagged and then traded for a first and a second right,
19:11
Speaker 1: and then the Raiders had to give him a hundred
19:12
Speaker 1: and forty million dollar contract. And then Tyreek Kill who
19:15
Speaker 1: was the other big guy who went last year, was
19:17
Speaker 1: a one, two, two fours, a five, and a six,
19:21
Speaker 1: and they had to give him a hundred million dollar contract.
19:24
Speaker 1: Each of those guys is making thirty million dollars a year.
19:27
Speaker 1: It costs too much. These guys don't get to the
19:30
Speaker 1: market if Calvin Ridley is reinstated. And I'd have to
19:33
Speaker 1: take the educated guess that when the Jaguars dug around
19:36
Speaker 1: and did their homework on this, somebody the league office cities. Okay, right,
19:39
Speaker 1: I mean he's doing the right things blindly, right, as
19:43
Speaker 1: long as he doesn't have any relapses. Right, Uh, there's
19:46
Speaker 1: a good chance that he'll be back in football if
19:50
Speaker 1: they're doing it blindly. I can't imagine that. Yeah, which
19:53
Speaker 1: I can't imagine they are either. And uh, the risk
19:58
Speaker 1: to me, I at this stage of their development would
20:02
Speaker 1: have been making a Davante Adams move, not a knock
20:06
Speaker 1: in Vonte Adams. I'm talking about giving up that kind
20:08
Speaker 1: of capital h for receivers who are thirty on that
20:13
Speaker 1: second year. Really seven. Uh. There's a school thought among
20:17
Speaker 1: some teams in the NFL that you don't pay that
20:19
Speaker 1: receiver in that second contract because you're paying so much,
20:23
Speaker 1: and you're paying the aging player really is not an
20:25
Speaker 1: aging player yet seven you know, probably has until he's
20:28
Speaker 1: thirty or thirty one for even think about a decline.
20:31
Speaker 1: So on those fronts, there's risk to every move. But
20:35
Speaker 1: on this one, I think capital and the way you're
20:38
Speaker 1: trying to construct this team, I don't think it's a
20:40
Speaker 1: huge risk or more thing. He's an eleven million dollar
20:42
Speaker 1: cap hit next year, which if you look at the
20:44
Speaker 1: top receivers who are well over twenty into the man,
20:48
Speaker 1: that's a bargain and a realistic notion. This is most
20:51
Speaker 1: likely replacing a Marvin Jones because there was questions of
20:54
Speaker 1: whether the jogg Wars would resign him. This to me
20:56
Speaker 1: makes sense where Calvin re live then steps into that position,
20:58
Speaker 1: only in the sense that you're taking his roster spot.
21:00
Speaker 1: This is a significant This is an absolutely but it's
21:03
Speaker 1: taking that spot, that cap, that money. All about John,
21:06
Speaker 1: What do you got? I have, Travis C t N
21:09
Speaker 1: who you know? This is purely for conversational purposes on
21:16
Speaker 1: the show. Is he a rushmore Jaguars running back or
21:19
Speaker 1: is it too related to tell? Well? To me, it's
21:21
Speaker 1: obviously too already tell, but I put it out there
21:24
Speaker 1: because you have Rushmoores on this franchise who are elite guys.
21:30
Speaker 1: To me, Fred Taylor's a Hall of famer, Uh, Morise
21:33
Speaker 1: Jones Drew had he played at a level for a
21:36
Speaker 1: couple of more years when he was at his absolute peak. Uh,
21:40
Speaker 1: as good as there was in the NFL. When he
21:41
Speaker 1: plays the league's leading rusher in two thousand and eleven
21:44
Speaker 1: on the worst passing team in football. That's hard to
21:47
Speaker 1: do when everyone's focused on you. Yeah, and you've had
21:50
Speaker 1: other guys, uh, rushmore, but is he going to be
21:55
Speaker 1: at those guys level? A month ago? I have told
21:57
Speaker 1: you was in saying to think about that. But this
22:00
Speaker 1: it's really good, right, I mean, like he's so much
22:03
Speaker 1: different and better than I expected. Even if he wasn't
22:07
Speaker 1: fast and he's really fast, he hasn't shown that breakaway
22:11
Speaker 1: thing that Fred had, but you know, maybe ten guys
22:15
Speaker 1: in history have so Uh. It's his vision that's really impressive,
22:20
Speaker 1: and it's his toughness. It's really impressive. And he's a
22:23
Speaker 1: much more complete back than I ever imagined him being.
22:25
Speaker 1: The play that he made on the forty yard or
22:27
Speaker 1: where he got to the sideline and his momentum was
22:29
Speaker 1: taking him out of bounds and he planted that foot
22:32
Speaker 1: and then shot up the sideline. That's beyond special. Right. Um,
22:37
Speaker 1: he would take where it looked like he was going
22:39
Speaker 1: to get stopped for no gain and squirted through and
22:41
Speaker 1: find six yards on first down. Um, and I think
22:45
Speaker 1: it bears yes. I think he is that caliber of athlete. Right,
22:49
Speaker 1: it's still too earthy to tell, but it's worth remembering
22:53
Speaker 1: that he hadn't. Liz Frank, I saw Corey Grant here
22:57
Speaker 1: during Legends week, Right, Corey ever played again when he
23:01
Speaker 1: had that, and Corey was equal in terms of speed
23:04
Speaker 1: and explosiveness. Um, that he's doing what he's doing, he's
23:10
Speaker 1: a tremendous football. He is that guy that defensive coordinators go,
23:13
Speaker 1: how do we stop him? How do we figure him out?
23:16
Speaker 1: We've been waiting for that to show up. We need
23:18
Speaker 1: more of those. But John, I think the answer is
23:21
Speaker 1: his talent level is extreme. If he stays healthy, he's
23:25
Speaker 1: got the ability. And if the Jaguars, if Calvin Ridley
23:27
Speaker 1: is what we hope he is, right, I'll just be
23:29
Speaker 1: a lot easier. That only helps him. Well, all of
23:31
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're starting to stockpile some guys you may play.
23:34
Speaker 1: I think Kirk will get better with with the Ridley edition.
23:38
Speaker 1: When you have et M. That's three guys and Devin
23:42
Speaker 1: Lloyd's gonna be that guy on defense. All of a sudden,
23:44
Speaker 1: compared to what we were a year ago, you got
23:46
Speaker 1: three or four guys. You can start saying, yeah, they're
23:49
Speaker 1: legitimate NFL playmakers. So it's all got to work out.
23:53
Speaker 1: But that's the feeling I got off the Ridley trade,
23:56
Speaker 1: accompanied by et and improving over the last month. Now
24:00
Speaker 1: and you get some guys, me more guys. That's a
24:03
Speaker 1: keenly equation. Alright, draft compensation this or that's Calvin Ridley
24:07
Speaker 1: or a second round draft pick. There are a lot
24:09
Speaker 1: of wrinkles to this trade. A fifth round pick if
24:12
Speaker 1: he makes the team, it's a fourth round pick. If
24:15
Speaker 1: he hits a big play milestone in quotations, we don't
24:17
Speaker 1: know what that is. It's a third round pick. If
24:20
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley is signed to a long term extension with
24:23
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, it is a second round pick going to
24:26
Speaker 1: the Falcons. I look at this as Calvin Ridley would
24:29
Speaker 1: earn that long term extension. It's not like the Jaguars
24:31
Speaker 1: are blindly giving away a second round pick. That would
24:34
Speaker 1: all be on Ridley if this turned into a second
24:36
Speaker 1: round pick. But let's say, best example, big picture that
24:39
Speaker 1: does happen. Would you rather have Calvin Ridley? I would
24:41
Speaker 1: you rather have that second round pick? Back? Let me
24:43
Speaker 1: take a quick story in Dallas in two thousand eighteen, Um,
24:48
Speaker 1: Jaguars were picking twenty nine, and when when they turned
24:51
Speaker 1: the corner to twenty, I got a list of three
24:53
Speaker 1: names if the Jaguars were looking for. So prepare to
24:55
Speaker 1: interview one of these three guys, So get ready. And
24:57
Speaker 1: they were Hayden Hurst, the tight end, the Bulls Kid,
25:02
Speaker 1: the linebacker from Alabama Rashaan Evans, and wide receiver Calvin Ridley.
25:07
Speaker 1: I mean, the Jaguars were dialed in and really was
25:10
Speaker 1: at the top of the list. He was the guy
25:12
Speaker 1: they wanted the most, and of course the Falcons swooped
25:14
Speaker 1: in and grabbed him. I think, um, you'd much rather
25:18
Speaker 1: have this than a second round pick, because this is
25:20
Speaker 1: a guy who comes in as an impact player. You
25:23
Speaker 1: don't he did as a rookie, by the way, you know,
25:26
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the first round. So Yeah, you'd
25:28
Speaker 1: rather have this guy who knows the game, who can
25:31
Speaker 1: quickly step onto the field and be a contributor than
25:34
Speaker 1: a second round pick that might take you longer than that. Yeah,
25:36
Speaker 1: it's not close. Uh obviously rather have Ridley, I think
25:40
Speaker 1: and had the key here to this trade. As Brian
25:43
Speaker 1: alluded to a second ago. Um, if you sign a
25:49
Speaker 1: free agent, they're probably older. If you draft a guy,
25:54
Speaker 1: he's gonna be younger. He's gonna be twenty three, uh two,
25:58
Speaker 1: and historically can take some time. I think the edge
26:01
Speaker 1: to really is if if he comes back and he's
26:03
Speaker 1: the player he was in you have a turn key
26:05
Speaker 1: guy who's ready to go. He's proving to do it
26:07
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and he he doesn't have to have
26:10
Speaker 1: as much adjusting to figuring out what this league's about. Uh. Again,
26:15
Speaker 1: he's got some rest to shake off. But this feels
26:20
Speaker 1: as as long as the kid has his life in order,
26:25
Speaker 1: which I hope he does for his sake, then this
26:27
Speaker 1: feels like almost a no brainer. Yeah, and it's important
26:30
Speaker 1: to note you're talking about your quarterbacks third year. It's
26:33
Speaker 1: a pivotal year in the development of a quarterback. So
26:36
Speaker 1: getting this guy and again we're all working at the
26:39
Speaker 1: caveat that he will be reinstated. He can reapply or
26:41
Speaker 1: apply for reinstatement mid February UM. But to have a
26:45
Speaker 1: threat like this with some experience, so not just a
26:48
Speaker 1: rookie that you're hoping can pick it up quickly is
26:51
Speaker 1: really important for Trevor Lawrence. Absolutely and that is the
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27:20
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27:23
Speaker 1: trade deadline coming to a close. Yesterday afternoon at four o'clock.
27:26
Speaker 1: The biggest name by far in Jacksonville was Josh Allen,
27:29
Speaker 1: and we kept hearing about all these calls that were
27:31
Speaker 1: being made and the questions of would the Jaguars with
27:34
Speaker 1: an up capital trade Josh Allen he is still here,
27:37
Speaker 1: He's still with the Jaguars, and it seems to be
27:40
Speaker 1: he is a cornerstone player that they did not get
27:42
Speaker 1: enough for. Yeah, you looked at it. Teams that were
27:46
Speaker 1: going up for Brian Burns in uh in Carolina and
27:49
Speaker 1: reportedly the Rams were throwing future first round picks at
27:52
Speaker 1: them and and they said, No, you don't find pass rushers,
27:55
Speaker 1: especially guys with the talent of Josh Allen just hanging around.
28:00
Speaker 1: I would say he's a cornerstone. Even though he told
28:02
Speaker 1: me last week in the locker room he knows he
28:04
Speaker 1: hasn't played to the level that he needs to play. Too,
28:07
Speaker 1: I was convinced last week that he was gonna have
28:09
Speaker 1: a breakthrough game against the Broncos. Um. I still think
28:13
Speaker 1: you're going to see it from him because he's the
28:15
Speaker 1: kind of guy on the field, in the classroom, you know,
28:18
Speaker 1: off the field, that you want to build your team around.
28:21
Speaker 1: And I still think he's a guy that you can
28:23
Speaker 1: do that with. Yeah, I agree. I mean Josh and
28:27
Speaker 1: he would tell you this. The team's in a tough
28:29
Speaker 1: spot with him because he hasn't had those sack numbers.
28:32
Speaker 1: At the same time, this is what I keep going
28:35
Speaker 1: back to it, Josh. Um. If I look out there
28:39
Speaker 1: on a Sunday when I'm covering a game and I
28:41
Speaker 1: look up and I see a trainer around a player.
28:45
Speaker 1: He's the last guy on defense that I want to
28:47
Speaker 1: see down in the field. I don't want to. I
28:49
Speaker 1: don't want to keep playing without him. You're totally right.
28:51
Speaker 1: And while he hasn't had those huge stack numbers, I
28:55
Speaker 1: just feel like they would miss him incredibly if he's
28:57
Speaker 1: not here. So that's their dilemma. Hadn't quite been what
29:00
Speaker 1: hoped in terms of numbers, But boy, is he important
29:03
Speaker 1: to what they do. And I don't know that you
29:04
Speaker 1: want to. I don't know that you want to be
29:06
Speaker 1: be going and looking for another one to know, because
29:08
Speaker 1: you don't find guys with his size, speed, and and
29:11
Speaker 1: and intangibles. A quick story. I go out on the
29:13
Speaker 1: field on Wednesdays, right before practice ends to get a
29:15
Speaker 1: coach right for pregame radio. And as they break up
29:19
Speaker 1: and guys start coming off the field, Josh is the
29:22
Speaker 1: last guy to leave the field. He's hooking himself up
29:24
Speaker 1: to this machine that caused his resistance. When he's running sprints,
29:28
Speaker 1: he's pushing his teammates, he's working the bag. Josh Allen
29:31
Speaker 1: works so hard, kind of like we're talking about Trevor
29:34
Speaker 1: Lawrence having that breakthrough moment. Maybe it's on the same Sunday.
29:38
Speaker 1: Maybe it's this Sunday that that Josh Allen has the
29:40
Speaker 1: same thing that comes through with a buffalo like performance
29:43
Speaker 1: last year, which nobody should have forgotten about how special
29:47
Speaker 1: he was that day. Um, there's a breakthrough moment coming
29:50
Speaker 1: for him. I think yes, and he is still here.
29:52
Speaker 1: It was, you know, thinking about and you saw the reports,
29:54
Speaker 1: and he saw what teams were calling for. Just I
29:57
Speaker 1: was thinking of of a locker room without Josh Allen
30:00
Speaker 1: out Josh Allen. It was just weird to think about.
30:02
Speaker 1: It was a weird feeling to think about that. And
30:04
Speaker 1: you don't get that with every single player. All right,
30:06
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