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Happy Hour #190: Silent Hill f New Episode Plus · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: I never told you, a protection of iHeartRadio, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another edition of Happy Hour kind of Halloween additions.
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  Speaker 1: As always, if you are drinking or whatever you're doing,
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  Speaker 1: please do so responsibly whatever you might do in a
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  Speaker 1: happy Hour. What about you, Smith? Are you doing everything responsibly?
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  Speaker 1: You know? I'm keeping up with my water. Yeah, that's it,
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  Speaker 1: that's what you got. I've got my red wine. I
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  Speaker 1: got my red wine. I actually feel I have a
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  Speaker 1: strange feeling right now because my mom's coming to stay
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  Speaker 1: with me tomorrow. So it's both very stressful and it
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  Speaker 1: feels like the end of school is coming out. I
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  Speaker 1: have like the most bizarre emotion happening about this. It's
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  Speaker 1: not bad, but it's just strange. But she always brings
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  Speaker 1: me wine, so I'm trying to finish up the wine,
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  Speaker 1: the last bottle she bought me. That's fair, yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not really sorry to say. I've got more
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  Speaker 1: to talk about when it comes to Silent Hill if Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so this is a part two. Okay, Okay, I recommend
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  Speaker 1: listening to part one, but you don't have to. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: if you've never played these games, I'm not sure how
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  Speaker 1: much more sense it will make either way. I've seen
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  Speaker 1: a couple of movies. Once was the movie I Am
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  Speaker 1: Bringing Back a Classic we did on Silent Hill three,
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  Speaker 1: and I did not know the time we recorded that
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  Speaker 1: that the second Silent Hill is based on Silent Hill three.
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  Speaker 1: And now I've seen that movie several times and I
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  Speaker 1: have a lot more thoughts, so look forward to that one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh my goodness. So yes, this is a new game.
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  Speaker 1: There will be spoilers. It just came out September twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: I've it's not a sponsor at all, and I'm just
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  Speaker 1: going to put this disclaimer in again. This is the
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  Speaker 1: first Silent Hill game that is set in Japan, even
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  Speaker 1: though the company that makes it is from Japan, and
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  Speaker 1: it has a lot of Japanese myths in it, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about Japanese myths, so I
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  Speaker 1: think there's probably plenty that I didn't understand. But what
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  Speaker 1: I will tell you is now I have gotten all
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  Speaker 1: five endings and I have a clearer picture of what
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  Speaker 1: was going on, okay, and I want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: But before I before I get into that if you
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  Speaker 1: didn't hear the part one of this. The plot centers
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  Speaker 1: around a young woman named Hinako who uh, Silent Hill
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  Speaker 1: is kind of a purgatory place, Okay, So she goes
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  Speaker 1: through all of these trials. She meets this guy in
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  Speaker 1: a fox mast nam kata Yuki, who's putting her through
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  Speaker 1: like he cuts off her or has her cut off
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  Speaker 1: her arm by the way, cuts off her face, all
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  Speaker 1: of this stuff. And then and she also has to
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  Speaker 1: confront her her friends, her friends and how they actually
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  Speaker 1: feel about her, and it's not good. And she has
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  Speaker 1: to confront her parents, and her dad is abusive and
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  Speaker 1: her mom she views her mom as weak, and her
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  Speaker 1: sister was married off, and so she sees marriage as
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  Speaker 1: this really negative thing. And it turns out when you
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  Speaker 1: get to the end, her best friend Sho was giving
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  Speaker 1: her these pills to help her with her stress, and
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  Speaker 1: they were untested, and through the stress and through the pills,
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  Speaker 1: she on the day of her arranged marriage, which was
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  Speaker 1: arranged because her dad was in debt and he took
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  Speaker 1: money for her to be married, she killed everybody. Then
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  Speaker 1: that's how it ends. So that's the first ending you get,
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  Speaker 1: but there's four other endings. And they're actually all related
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  Speaker 1: and you learn more. So one of the things you
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  Speaker 1: learn more about is both because it's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: You've got Shoe, who's the good guy, and then you've
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  Speaker 1: got Kodoyuk, who I would say is the bad guy,
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  Speaker 1: and so you have an ending that's dedicated to both
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  Speaker 1: of them, I would say, and to hear they're kind
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  Speaker 1: of rationale for why they are controlling her, which they
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  Speaker 1: are trying to control her, both of them in different ways.
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  Speaker 1: Shoe says he was giving her the pills because he
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  Speaker 1: didn't want her to get married, so he was trying
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  Speaker 1: to convince he didn't want to lose her, and he
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  Speaker 1: was trying to convince her manipulate her with drugs to
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  Speaker 1: not get married. And then she saves him and they
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  Speaker 1: kind of reconcile. But in that ending, there are two henicos.
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  Speaker 1: There's the one that has you know, her face cut off,
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  Speaker 1: the arm cut off and all that, and she wants
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  Speaker 1: to get married. And then there's the other one who
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have all that and she doesn't want to get married,
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  Speaker 1: and so they fight in this ending, and the one
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  Speaker 1: who wants to get married kills the one who doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: and it ends with her marrying Kotayuki and they're having
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  Speaker 1: a lovely time and then you see the shredded face
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  Speaker 1: of the other henko and they stomp on it. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought this was interesting because it's called the bad ending.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of times in Silent Hill, they'll give you
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  Speaker 1: the like they'll call it their own terminology, like this
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  Speaker 1: is the good ending and this is the bad ending,
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  Speaker 1: And whether or not you agree with it, I guess
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  Speaker 1: it's up to you. But a lot of the times
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  Speaker 1: I do agree, But this one, I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: bet a lot of a lot of people wanted Hiniko
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  Speaker 1: to get with koda Yuki. So I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: interesting that they were like, no, this was the bad ending,
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  Speaker 1: or she got married. Yeah, yeah, So that was fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: I also didn't pick up on you meet koda Yuki
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  Speaker 1: when he's a kid and Hiniko protects him from a fox,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how he becomes kind of pledged to the
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  Speaker 1: Fox Clan. Because if there's there's two ancient gods who
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  Speaker 1: are fighting for control of this town, and one is
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  Speaker 1: the Fox Clan, and I can't remember the name of
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  Speaker 1: the other klan, but they are trying to get control.
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  Speaker 1: So the Fox clan wants Hiniko, who has special blood
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  Speaker 1: with the other clan, to marry into their klan because
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  Speaker 1: then they controller, and so they're battling it out. I'll
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  Speaker 1: get it. I'll get to that more in a second.
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  Speaker 1: But then, yeah, so you do have this whole Henico
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  Speaker 1: versus Henico thing where they fight in almost everyone and
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  Speaker 1: they have to kill the other one to survive. And
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  Speaker 1: she also has to kill like her friends and her family,
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  Speaker 1: like there's a whole mission called kill your parents, because
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  Speaker 1: that's how she views marriage. She views it as I'll
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  Speaker 1: never really see these people again, or it won't be
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  Speaker 1: in the same way. So and they kill each other
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  Speaker 1: usually or they hate each other. They fight each other.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very like you know that you look into
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  Speaker 1: the mirror and there's the evil version kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: But when you get to the good ending, what they
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  Speaker 1: call the true ending, which was a pain to get.
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  Speaker 1: When you get to it, they both decide to live
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  Speaker 1: in harmony with each other. Nice yes, And they decide
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  Speaker 1: that they'll wait to see if they want to get
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  Speaker 1: married or not. But the one who doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: get married says, I'm really afraid because I saw how
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  Speaker 1: my dad treated my mom, and I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be in that relationship and I don't feel ready and
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  Speaker 1: I don't I'm very scared. And the one who wants
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  Speaker 1: to get married is very much like But it could
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  Speaker 1: work out, and I think it would be safety and
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  Speaker 1: all of these other things. So they decide to get
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  Speaker 1: to know each other better and wait. Meanwhile, it turns
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  Speaker 1: out Kotayuki, the Fox guy, was being controlled by a
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  Speaker 1: spell to seduce her, and so these weren't really his
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  Speaker 1: feelings at all, and he says, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I like you at all either. Let us just wait
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  Speaker 1: and maybe we'll meet up and maybe will like each other,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't want it to be because of a spell.
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  Speaker 1: That yeah, very fair, I think very fair. So yes,
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  Speaker 1: there's also this whole God's aspect, which, if you've played
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  Speaker 1: video games like this, you get to the end and
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  Speaker 1: there's a boss battle, right like the Big Battle, and
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  Speaker 1: so it alternates between which God you fight based on
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  Speaker 1: which Henico wins. But if you get to the good ending,
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  Speaker 1: you have to fight both of them and win. Because
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  Speaker 1: the Henicos are mad that they're being used as puppets
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  Speaker 1: and their control is being taken away and all of this,
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  Speaker 1: and so the one fox Nico as we'll call her,
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  Speaker 1: has to fight the fox god and the one who
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  Speaker 1: is not Fox Nico has to fight the other god
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  Speaker 1: so that they can control their own destiny. And you
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  Speaker 1: learn throughout this that Quinico, the most important thing to
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  Speaker 1: her is it's not happiness, it's independence and having choice.
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  Speaker 1: And everybody keeps telling her a woman will be most
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  Speaker 1: happy if she marries a man and has kids, and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, I don't really care about happiness part. Then
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  Speaker 1: I would rather have the choice. I would rather have
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  Speaker 1: the independence. And so they do win, and that's when
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  Speaker 1: they they get to hang out together. Although I have
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  Speaker 1: to say for the good ending, it seems like everybody
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  Speaker 1: did still die and Silent Hill is totally I'll call
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  Speaker 1: it silent Hill because the ending is called in silence.
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  Speaker 1: There's nobody there, there's nobody in the town. It's just them.
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  Speaker 1: But hey, maybe maybe another thing that's new when you
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  Speaker 1: get to the final ending is you. It's much more
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  Speaker 1: about forgiveness. So, as I mentioned, I said her friend
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  Speaker 1: group is terrible. I maintain that that is true. But
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  Speaker 1: you do learn about you learn more about why, and
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  Speaker 1: you see them being like I understand I'm being terrible
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  Speaker 1: like each and everyone, this is all my own insecurity.
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't take it out on her. So you get
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  Speaker 1: kind of this extra dimension of all of them realizing, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: it's because I'm scared of this, or I'm scared of this,
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  Speaker 1: or I shouldn't put this on her. So you have that,
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  Speaker 1: and then with their parents, you have this really long
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  Speaker 1: scene with her mom where her mom and Heinko confront
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  Speaker 1: each other and her mom's like, I know what you
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  Speaker 1: think of me, but here's what was going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes, and here's what I was doing, and like
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  Speaker 1: that you didn't see in all of this, And then
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  Speaker 1: you get the confrontation with her abusive father, and the
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  Speaker 1: Henicovs are fighting because the new the one that's like
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  Speaker 1: heard what her mom had to say, says, we should
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  Speaker 1: listen to him. We don't have to forgive him, but
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  Speaker 1: we should at least listen to what he has to say,
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  Speaker 1: and the other one's like, no, no, no, no, no, I
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  Speaker 1: don't care. I don't care. I don't care, but you
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  Speaker 1: do you listen to but he has to say, and
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  Speaker 1: they both agree, like, we don't forgive you, but at
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  Speaker 1: least I kind of understand now, which I you know
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  Speaker 1: it was. You know, sometimes when you play a game
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  Speaker 1: with new game plus, you don't get that much new content,
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  Speaker 1: but this is a pretty a lot of new content.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I connect for a second part. Also, when
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  Speaker 1: you do the kill your parents' mission, if you kill
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  Speaker 1: your dad first, I didn't know this, you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to kill your mom and you get an achievement that says,
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  Speaker 1: just shut up, dada. But during that fight, he's yelling
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  Speaker 1: at you like women don't talk back. A woman's place
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  Speaker 1: is to just be silent, and the mother has She
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  Speaker 1: always fights with the kitchen knife, which I think is
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  Speaker 1: pretty telling because, as I said, a lot of their
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  Speaker 1: fights occurred about her cooking, her being in the kitchen
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff, which, speaking of this is something
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  Speaker 1: else I didn't mention. Silent Hill always does this. The
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  Speaker 1: enemies that you fight, a lot of the I would
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  Speaker 1: say women coded enemies. They're very sexualized in a way
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  Speaker 1: that's disturbing. So there's an enemy in this game, it's
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  Speaker 1: essentially just a woman with a lot of booze, and
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  Speaker 1: she gives birth. That's all she does. It's really gross, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I think it's kind of her fear of this
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  Speaker 1: is what will happen to me is I'll have to
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  Speaker 1: just give birth, give birth and breastfeed my whole life.
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  Speaker 1: But and she just kind of like screams in this
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  Speaker 1: really horrifying way. And then there's definitely ones that have
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  Speaker 1: had cesarian like they have the cesareans scars, so there's
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  Speaker 1: just a lot of stuff about usually pregnancy in their
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  Speaker 1: women villains and this and the I hate the dude
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  Speaker 1: ones are worse because they're so loud and they won't
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  Speaker 1: leave you alone, leave me b But yeah, I'm glad.
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  Speaker 1: I almost broke that disk in half, though I was
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  Speaker 1: so mad at one point trying to get this final ending.
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  Speaker 1: But I have done it. I've seen it all and
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  Speaker 1: at this point now you can watch them, but it
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  Speaker 1: makes much more sense and context, like everything kind of
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  Speaker 1: came together before. I feel like you only had pieces right,
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  Speaker 1: and now I've got the whole thing. And I did
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  Speaker 1: say in the last one it felt like somebody and
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  Speaker 1: the writer's staff had been really burned by marriage and
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  Speaker 1: they're just telling you don't do it, ladies. But in
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  Speaker 1: this it's like final ending. It was more like if
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  Speaker 1: you want to wait and see, but it's your choice
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  Speaker 1: all this stuff wait and see, as opposed to like
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  Speaker 1: the first one, which was like, don't you ever marry
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  Speaker 1: the first ending? I mean, there's a whole lot happening
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  Speaker 1: in Joante so I did. Yeah, it's true, I did
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  Speaker 1: think about that. But it's also been I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: there's been a lot of backlash against this game, just
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  Speaker 1: because it is so different than every other game that's
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  Speaker 1: ever come out in the Silent Hill series, and it's
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  Speaker 1: been interesting to see mostly dudes being real mad about it,
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  Speaker 1: like what are you saying here, Well, we need to
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  Speaker 1: help the birthrate. No, no, Nah, She's good. She definitely
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  Speaker 1: has a conversation with her older sister like I don't
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  Speaker 1: want kids. I don't get what this is about. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want kids. Were going to get me, I'll think you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, And her sister's like, I don't understand you. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I thank you for letting me talk about this. I
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  Speaker 1: love it. I'll love it. You'll be able to go
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  Speaker 1: through it. You can try to play it again, though,
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  Speaker 1: I'll try to play it. I have a good friend
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  Speaker 1: Katie who's been on the show, who we started playing
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  Speaker 1: Silent Hill way too young nineteen ninety seven maybe, and
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  Speaker 1: she's she's like my Silent Hill buddy. If she wants
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  Speaker 1: me to play it again, I will play it again,
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  Speaker 1: but right now, and you take a break, because I
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: really was mad about that. Trying to get that lasting
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: thing that was a bit too much. It was so
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  Speaker 1: hard because if you accidentally take even if you accidentally
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  Speaker 1: pick up any of the pills, and there are a
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  Speaker 1: ton of them, you lose. You lose the ending. No no,
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  Speaker 1: And the walkthroughs aren't done yet because it's a new
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  Speaker 1: game and it's a complicated game. There are some that
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: are pretty close to being done, but a lot of
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  Speaker 1: them are like partially done, so I couldn't look it
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  Speaker 1: up anywhere. But I just was losing and I was
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  Speaker 1: so mad. Oh I was furious. You didn't write any screens,
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  Speaker 1: did you. No? No, no, no no no. I had
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  Speaker 1: the thought. But I have more control than that. You
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  Speaker 1: know another thing. A lot of people were mad about that,
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  Speaker 1: which you know, it's a hard game, so whatever, But
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  Speaker 1: it does tell you no other Silent Hell game has
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  Speaker 1: given you this. But on the opening screen after you
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  Speaker 1: beat it the first time, it tells you generally what
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  Speaker 1: you have to do to get all the other endings
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  Speaker 1: except for them, except for the last one. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: tell you about that, but every other one told you
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  Speaker 1: just But I will wait and see what Katie says.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm much better now. I remember in the last
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  Speaker 1: one I said I was very bad. Yeah, I'm so good. No,
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  Speaker 1: this makes perfect And it was really fun. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: had a new game, and while that I took time
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  Speaker 1: to play, so that was a really nice thing, especially
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  Speaker 1: for Halloween. Yeah, perfect timing. Yes, well, listeners Again, if
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  Speaker 1: you have any thoughts on this, If you have any questions,
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  Speaker 1: I can help you out now. I should fite a
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  Speaker 1: walk through. Oh it would take so long. Shout out
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  Speaker 1: to everybody who writes walkthroughs. By the way. Well, if
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