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To Transvestigate a Baker · Like a Virgin

• 0:21
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Like a Virgin. I'm Rose Damu.
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm Chris Hansen with Z-Line NBC.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: And it's officially spooky season. It is, you are hearing
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  Speaker 1: this on October 1st.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you are.
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  Speaker 1: It's the most wonderful time of the year.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, this kind of is our Christmas. This is our
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: Met Gala.
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  Speaker 1: This is our Pride.
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  Speaker 2: This is our Pride.
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  Speaker 1: This is our Arbor Day.
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck is Arbor Day?
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  Speaker 1: It's Earth Day.
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  Speaker 2: Arbor as in, like, tree?
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard this in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, did you not go to elementary school in
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: the United States of America? No, of course.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that Earth Day is quite possibly one of
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  Speaker 2: the least celebrated holidays.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but it does coincide with 420 and Hitler's birthday. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: The three holidays. The three.
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  Speaker 2: The triad.
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  Speaker 1: The canonical three.
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: Rose, is there anything scarier you can think of than
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: a possible glee reboot?
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  Speaker 1: You mean the glee boot?
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: The glee boot.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Ryan Murphy was like, well, American Horror Story
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  Speaker 1: 13 isn't actually scary, so let me put the real
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: fear of God into these hoes. by announcing, by threatening
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  Speaker 1: Ugly Boot.
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  Speaker 2: This is first up on our bricking news agenda. Insert
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  Speaker 2: sound effect. Bricking news. Um, Rose, something, when I texted
• 2:08
  Speaker 2: this to you, the first thing you said to me,
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  Speaker 2: you noted the fact that Ryan Murphy got on the
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: phone with fucking Hollywood Reporter or whoever he gave this
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  Speaker 2: story to, and he said, Yeah, I just finished the
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: script for the reboot an hour ago.
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: The most meth behavior ever.
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  Speaker 2: To be so cracked out and so manic that you
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  Speaker 2: finish a script, which by the way, your first draft
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  Speaker 2: of anything is bad. I don't care how much of
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  Speaker 2: a kind of talented master you are at whatever fucking
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  Speaker 2: media you create. But to say, yeah, I just finished
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  Speaker 2: this an hour ago and immediately announce it to the news.
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  Speaker 1: But that must be Ryan Murphy's process because every script
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: he's ever written feels like a first draft.
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  Speaker 2: Every script he's ever written feels like it was finished
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  Speaker 2: an hour ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: An hour is generous. An hour is probably on the outside.
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  Speaker 1: I imagine some of those Glee scripts he was handing
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  Speaker 1: pages in. you know, as they were setting up to shoot.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I imagine. He allegedly also was already in contact
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: with 10 cast members. Again, cocaine behavior. It is crazy.
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: He's like, hey guys, hey guys, you want to make
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  Speaker 1: some money?
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: He drops the PDF into the group chat, into the
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  Speaker 2: really inactive group chat that he keeps spamming. Like he's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like it's a group chat that like was started.
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: He added everyone to it. No, they did not consent
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  Speaker 2: to it. Kind of like me and every group chat ever. No,
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: it's kind of giving, like, we took one group vacation, like,
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  Speaker 2: eight years ago, and the only person still active is
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: the gay guy who keeps, like, spamming his latest project
• 3:44
  Speaker 2: into the group chat that no one else is participating in.
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  Speaker 1: How many of those group chats would you say you're in?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, none that are being actively spammed outside of the doll.
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: Invasion group chat. The doll invasion group chat does kind
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  Speaker 1: of give that because, like, It will be like mid-January
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: and someone will pop in and be like, doing a
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: dance show this week. Please come check it out.
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  Speaker 2: Or Kyanne just like sharing a beautiful post of herself
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  Speaker 2: into the Instagram group chat. Honestly, I really, whenever I
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: have a group chat, I often will make an announcement
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  Speaker 2: that this is like no spam allowed. However, I did
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: not make that announcement this year, which is why people are,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I've only seen like two or three.
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  Speaker 2: So it's actually been relatively smooth. restrained.
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  Speaker 1: This actually reminds me of something that I forgot to
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  Speaker 1: bring up at Vidal Debrief, which is that next year
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  Speaker 1: in the group chat, reactions have to be unwelcome. No
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  Speaker 1: heart reacts to messages.
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  Speaker 2: All group chats should be muted. I think that's extremely important.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: I like the heart reacts.
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  Speaker 1: Even if they're muted, it just makes it very hard
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  Speaker 1: to parse. Well, no, because the thing is, I have
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  Speaker 1: group chats muted all the time, but Doll Invasion Weekend,
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  Speaker 1: I keep the notifications on because those notifications are very important. Yes.
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: And getting, you know, 12 messages in a row that
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  Speaker 1: so-and-so hearted something said yesterday is not super helpful to
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  Speaker 1: the process.
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  Speaker 2: Well, something.
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  Speaker 1: Especially if you're on drugs.
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  Speaker 2: If we just zoom out a bit, the other thing
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  Speaker 2: is that There are people that are pro-group chat in life,
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  Speaker 2: and there are people that are anti-group chat in life.
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  Speaker 2: And you, Rose, are anti-group chat.
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: I am. I'm in a couple of them, though.
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  Speaker 2: I think most people are.
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  Speaker 1: And I do initiate a conversation.
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  Speaker 2: What other group chats are you in? What other group
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  Speaker 2: chats are you in and why am I not in them?
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: What the fuck? How dare you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually in a group chat with someone that we're
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: going to be talking about later in this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. Anyways, what 10 cast members do
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: you think Ryan Murphy got in touch with? Or is
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: there anything you have to say as a retired Gleek?
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: I would not even call myself a retired Gleek because
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: I only watched the first two seasons. I never finished
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  Speaker 1: the show.
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: Right. And you rewatched the Turkey Lurkey episode every Thanksgiving,
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: do you not?
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: No, I don't watch the episode. I just watch the clip.
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: And I do occasionally listen to the soundtrack from the
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: first Madonna episode. Right. I would say it was Lea
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: Michele 10 times. It was all of Lea Michele's different
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: numbers were the 10 people he texted.
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  Speaker 2: And she said yes.
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: And she said yes 10 times.
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: 10 times.
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: And he ran into my knife. He ran into my knife.
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: Ten times. The knife being the Glee boot script.
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: Well, he is wielding it as a weapon. He's wielding
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: the possibility of a Glee boot as a weapon. He's
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: weaponizing Glee. I mean, not that he's ever stopped.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I also feel has been kind of
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  Speaker 2: weaponized against me?
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: What?
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: The fact that on the new Tenasha album, which is
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: amazing actually that.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: To hear haven't listened to it yet it's.
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: So so good she makes music for gay people and
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: i really like think that um i love her as
• 7:16
  Speaker 2: somebody who is kind of like eternally in the kia
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: asylum but like is.
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: Thriving she's kind of like the manager of the kia.
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: Asylum she is she's so and she like literally has
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: never fallen from grace yeah she has special privileges She
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: has a song on the album called Nobody Wanna Dance
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: Anymore that has sampled a Gaga song. And unfortunately, it's
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: actually one of the worst. It's a Gaga feature, technically.
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  Speaker 1: Which one?
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: One of the worst Gaga features in history. I mean, obviously,
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: maybe not as bad as the R. Kelly feature, but
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: it's a song she did with Wale.
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  Speaker 1: Called Chillin'. Yes, I know it well, especially because of
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: the music video where they're just standing in a parking lot.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, girl, this song is bad.
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  Speaker 1: It's really bad.
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  Speaker 2: It's like truly easily, I mean, I don't even know
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  Speaker 2: if you could count this as a song in her catalog,
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: but it's one of the worst songs in her catalog.
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: It's during the fame era, but it's before she was
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  Speaker 1: really famous and she was just kind of doing whatever.
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  Speaker 2: She was just kind of saying yes to whoever.
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  Speaker 1: She was saying yes and.
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  Speaker 2: I also was reading about the history of the song
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  Speaker 2: and that like Wally asked to do a song with
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  Speaker 2: her and like just sent her the track and And
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  Speaker 2: Gaga was like, I don't do that. Like, I'm not,
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  Speaker 2: I don't, like, just get sent the track. I need
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: to sit down and meet with you. And Wally had to, like,
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: had a night out of partying, showed up to a
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: studio with Gaga where he sat down with her. And
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: he said he walked in and she had, like, the
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: infamous hair bow. And he referred to seeing her as
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: a kind of culture shock.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, she, that makes sense. And God, I miss
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: the hair bow days. I really wish I've, I've actually,
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: when I thought of getting a Gaga tattoo, I've thought
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: of getting like the outline of the hair bow. Bless you.
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I, I always kind of wished that she,
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: during the mayhem era, I was kind of wishing that
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: she brought the hair bow back since it was such
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: a return to form.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Gaga pretty much doesn't do anything twice, right?
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: That's not true. Well, what has she done twice? In
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: terms of like looks.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. And yeah, she does.
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe like blanches.
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  Speaker 1: She does reinterpretations of the same look multiple times. She
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: has certain.
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  Speaker 2: Motifs.
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: Motifs.
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: The armadillo boots and whatever. What have you. I mean,
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: the bow. The bow she did so, so, so many times.
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  Speaker 1: And I want it back.
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we want her to reheat the nachos yes is
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: what we want mayhem was.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: All about reheating her nachos and that is one nacho
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: she left in the.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: Fridge sorry to like get into that discourse but i.
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  Speaker 1: I think that we truly don't have time for it
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: we don't have time for it today but.
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  Speaker 2: My take is that she we at the time i
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: feel like we felt like she was reheating her nachos
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: but actually she didn't reheat them enough We needed more nachos.
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: They needed a little more time in the air fryer.
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, girl, you don't watch Great British Baking Show,
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: do you?
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: I do, but I always wait till all of it's
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: out so I can consume it all at once because
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: I can't really deal with it on a week-to-week basis.
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: It is really, truly so shocking, but we have the
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: first thruple. On Great British Baking Show.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, is Frankie Grande a contestant? Former guest
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: of the show, Frankie Grande?
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, former guest of the show, Frankie Grande.
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: I miss him.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: I miss him too. We should bring him back. He
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: needs to be the third host. We need to make
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: this a thruple.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly. So the thruple itself does not compete on
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: the show, but one member of the thruple is competing
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: on the show. And they obviously always show little like,
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: kind of like flash sequences of like, you know, a
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: hobby that one of the competitors has or, like, a
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: So his hobby is being in a throuple?
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: Well, just... Or, like, a four-second kind of montage of, like,
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: their home life, their family life. And this vignette was
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: truly four seconds of his partner's plural.
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: Ugh, that's not right.
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, Rose... The reason I'm bringing it up and
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: the reason I want to bring it to the virgins
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  Speaker 2: is not just because this is at the intersection of,
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: you know, pervs, perversion. Because, you know, if you're in
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: a throuple, you're a perv. It must be said.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, it needs to hit at least two of
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: the like a virgin metrics. So which other one does
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  Speaker 1: it hit? I.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: I'm transvestigating him.
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, there it is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this is important. There has never, ever, ever been
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: a transsexual contestant of Great British Baking Show in history.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: Which you think would be surprising, but then you remember
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: that it's a British show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also trans people have a lot going on.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have time to bake.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have time to bake. This guy has a
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: septum piercing and a mustache, and I would not have
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: transvesticated him until I found out That he performs under
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: a drag persona called Blue Romantic that is a drag
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: king persona.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, trans boots.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: Well, but here's the thing, Rose. The Great British Baking
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  Speaker 2: Show website uses both they and he pronouns for this person, alternating,
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: which is very inclusive, honestly. There's nothing... That a he,
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: they loves more than both pronouns being used in a.
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: Kind of bio.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: And the he, they is the contestant or one of
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: the boyfriends?
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: The contestant.
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: Used both they and he pronouns to refer to one contestant.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: Fabulous.
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: Fab. I thought to myself, is this guy transgender? Would
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: this not be publicly available information on a cursory information?
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: They cannot find anything about transsexuality outside of the pronoun Z.
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  Speaker 1: Stealth, honey.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. But here's the thing, though. What if he is a,
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: and pardon my terminology, a bio-king? Does that exist? That's
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  Speaker 2: what I'm asking. We as a community, I know that
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: we have retired the term bio-queen to refer to- And
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  Speaker 2: we're resurrecting it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, likely.
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  Speaker 2: If the virgins don't know, a bio-queen refers to an
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  Speaker 2: AFAB performer, a cis woman performer who is inhabiting a
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  Speaker 2: drag queen persona. But I have never in my life
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: heard of an AMAB or, like, cis male person. And
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this person's cis male, but, like,
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  Speaker 2: a person who is a drag king.
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  Speaker 1: I know. If you want to know what a bio
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  Speaker 1: queen is, it's Elvira, who's right behind me and also who's...
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: coffee mug I'm currently drinking from.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's an amazing coffee mug.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: I know, so good.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to take a photo of that for
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: the virgins. Okay. Anyways, I will let the virgins tell
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  Speaker 2: me if they have any further transvestigation. I really am
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: just trying to bring important representation to light.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: And also, you wanna fuck him, I'm guessing.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: No, I don't wanna fuck Gabe, but there is this
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: other contestant on... a fucking great British baking show call.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: I think his name is Jordan. Oh my, no, no, no. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Um,
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to type in GBBO hot contestant and
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: he will come up. He has beautiful lips and the
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: kind of mischievous grimacing teeth of like an elf. Um,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: he is so sexy. Um, they always need to put
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: one hottie, one hottie who is kind of like a,
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: A demon bottom, but you would never know it based
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: on the show, but you can tell just by looking
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: at him.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: And this guy, the virgins know who I'm talking about.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: I actually can't figure out his name, but when I do,
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: I will say it.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really nonspecific to look up Great British Bake
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Off hot guy because there have been so many sexy
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: contestants on the show. That's true.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, you would say that.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: They... cast like they're trying to hire people to work
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: as Trader Joe's cashiers, you know?
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it, oh my god. Wait, that's so accurate.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: The hot contestants are hot in a kind of Trader
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Joe's cashier way. Actually, kind of all Great British Bake
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Off contestants could be cashiers at Trader Joe's. Like, you've got, like,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: random older lady, random older guy who looks like he
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: skateboards to work. You've got, like, Kind of mom types. Right.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: There is... Wow. I'm really... I'm cooking on something here.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. And, Virgins, if you are watching Great British Speaking Show,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: I want to know who your favorite contestant is. Mine
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: is Dani, and I ride for her. Girl, we have
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: two live-action reboots that are being announced right now that
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: are uniquely... Sorry, Disney live-action remakes that are announced... that
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: are uniquely at the intersection of the Virgin's interests.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Were they announced officially? Or is this just rumor chatter?
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: They were both announced. Oh, no, no. One is rumored,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: one is announced.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, what's the rumor?
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: The rumor is that Tom Holland is in talks to
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: play Milo in a live-action Atlantis.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that was fake news. I'm pretty sure
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: you fell for a Disgusting Fish tweet.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I fell for a pop-based announcement.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: You got poop craved.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Poop craved. Look, okay, if that is hearsay, obviously we still,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: in the cultural imagination, want to know who would play
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Tarzan and who would fuck him in this live-action reboot
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: as purported by a one Megami who tweeted this. Protect
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Queer Art. Protect Queer Art.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Who would play Tarzan? Okay, what's the one... Who is
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: my question? Jacob Elordi.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Don't you want to watch Jacob Elordi fuck Tom Holland? Yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Apparently I was reading that the live action Tarzan will
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: never get made because William S. Burroughs estate will no
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: longer let Disney do anything with the IP. And I'm like, sorry,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the Burroughs estate, you're a bunch of fucking morons. The
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Disney's Tarzan cartoon is the best thing to have ever
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: happened to fucking Burroughs IP because That book is racist
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: as hell, if you remember.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do recall that. What's the one that was
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: officially announced? And did it come from an official Disney
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: account or a publicist?
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: This came from an official publicist. This came from, I believe,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: a Deadline article. Yes, Dan Trattenberg is developing an original
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: book film inspired by sleeping beauty.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: And so in, why are they making a sleeping beauty reboot?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: We have Maleficent at home on Disney plus. There have
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: been two Maleficent films in the past 10 years.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: What's crazy is like, this is a director who is
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: behind prey. That amazing adaptation, that amazing addition to the
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: predator franchise. Um, he says in the various press about
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: this reboot, that it will be a fierce departure from
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: the i mean he didn't use the word departure that's
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: my that's my terminology but he's saying you know it's
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: not gonna be like those other reboots you know it's
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: gonna be a new take it's gonna be a maleficent
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be a you know like he he he's
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: like kind of like really hinting to the fact that
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: this is not sleeping beauty this is inspired by sleeping
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: beauty and i say i'll believe it when i motherfucking
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: see it i do not believe that at all I'm sorry.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting hoodwinked again, although I'm sure I'll see
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it opening weekend or either opening weekend or like the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: last week it's available in theaters.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when Snow White was happening and everyone
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: was like, this is a new take on Snow White.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: This is the feminist take on Snow White. You'll never
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: believe how fucking feminist this movie is. It's totally different.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And it's literally starring Gal Gadot. And it's genocide-ier Gal Gadot.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Enough poison apples to fill the Nile. Okay.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I was with Julio and James last night and they
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: reminded me that Mirror Mirror starring Julia Roberts.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: And Lily.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: James is Lily Collins, Lily Collins. They, they said that
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I've never production design. I've never seen it either. We
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: should watch it. They said the production design is beautiful.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: That's not enough for me.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know. It's got Julia Roberts playing a bitch.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's something.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: There are so many films I could watch if I
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: wanted to see Julia Roberts play a bitch that weren't
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: critically maligned Snow White retellings.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Number one, Mother's Day.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Number two, Erin Brockovich.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, she doesn't play a bitch in Erin Brockovich.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she does.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: No, she plays a completely lovable and canonically beloved.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: character no but she's barely one of the things that
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: makes her beloved is that she's a bitch i think.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: She sticks up for herself rose i think that that's
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: a kind of.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying i'm not saying bitch is a negative
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: term like i'm saying bitch is a positive i mean
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: i would i would be like i would call her
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: character in my best friend's wedding a bitch as.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Well Okay, yeah, actually, now that I am kind of
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: remembering her sinister shade, that's all you got, lady. Two
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: left feet and what does she say?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Two left feet and an ugly pair of shoes.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: And an ugly pair of shoes. God, perfect film. Rose,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: the meatiest entry to our bricking news segment.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, a brick just fell on me.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Insert brick falling sound here. Because don't promise something I
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: can't keep. This is week old news at this point.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: No more than a week old news at this point,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: but the discourse is still going, baby. We have a
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: bar in Boston, a lesbian bar in Boston. That is
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: a COVID conscious bar. It's for people that are chronically ill.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: That has a required mask. mandate that announced on, I
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: actually don't know the full details of this story. The
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: only thing I know is that they made an announcement
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: saying that- I believe it was on Facebook. Yes. They
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: made an announcement that said on Saturdays, they actually will
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: be making it a mask optional day so that they
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: can open up the bar to new kinds of patrons.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: And obviously everybody had a kind of I would say
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: everyone had a kind of neurotypical response to this.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: You mean a neuroatypical response?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: A neuroatypical response. Well, it was typical for the neurodivergent. Right, right, right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: It was a neurodivergent response.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Customers. A seemingly disproportionate response to which people were accusing
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the bar owners of trying to kill disabled people and
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: being eugenicists.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Truly.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Really unhinged behavior that was very fun to read about,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: but then I do think the... Rubbernecking got a bit
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: out of hand and just enabled people to talk about
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: how much they hate woke queer people. Yeah. Or just
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: queer people generally.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing is, to get the easy dunking
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: out of the way, the account SereneNeurosis.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: The infamous SereneNeurosis, Necrosis.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Serene necrosis.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Who is probably most famous for, at one point, tweeting,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: It's not lost on me that I've received a huge
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: amount of hate from so-called leftist accounts since changing my
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: profile picture to include a hijab-inspired secular accessorization. This is
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a white, non-binary person, by the way.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Self-described communist, pagan, they-them, pansexual, agender. A D H D
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: L C M E. Don't even know what any of
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: those letters are. Ethnically Irish married to DOS Jill Stein
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: voter from Louisiana organizer, polymath and lunatic. This is so,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I can't believe this is a real person because it
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: feels so AI generated kind of created by some sort
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: of like, well, no, it feels like a.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Troll account, but I think it's, I think it's real.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's like so real that it feels like
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: trolling because it's, as you mentioned in their profile, they
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: call themselves ethnic, ethnically Irish. Another tweet they, they quoted
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: was ethnically Irish people are the only people who should
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: be drinking milk actually. And the rest of you should
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: stop appropriating our indigenous foods.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I really want to say something about how this
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: reminds you of somebody that I slept with. And actually I,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I know. Um, I have to say Rose, It's so
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: easy to dunk on this person, but if we here
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: at Like A Version are going to be so responsible,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: we have to go back to what you just said
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: before it, which is that our online behavioral response to
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: this Boston Globe article and the aftermath and the them.us
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: recaps of it all is so indicative of a really,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: of a kind of psychosis on both sides of the culture.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And this is a centrist podcast, so we're blowing that
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: shit wide open. This is.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. Okay. It's so worth, speaking of centrism, quote
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: unquote centrism, it's worth mentioning something that a lot of
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: people do not know, which is that Jesse Singel. No.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Jesse fucking single ran up my spine.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: If you're unfamiliar, um, and Rose, please add to the bio.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: If you can like Jesse single is a former New
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: York time, no.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Writer for the Atlantic who is known for writing a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: lot of anti trans posited as like just asking questions,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: kind of journalism that actively harms trans people. He's someone
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: who blocked me on Twitter years ago, years.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Ago, disgusting, disgusting investigative reporting. With the intent to, although
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: he would deny it, with the intent to basically not
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: let trans kids get healthcare of any kind.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Definitely a good Judy of J.K.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Rowling. Yes, truly. They are like palm in palm. Jesse
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Singleton played an integral role. In breaking this Boston Globe story.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Yikes. That really reframes things, doesn't it?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Girl, his sub stack published like the original, like the
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: audio of this bars, quote unquote, accountability session, which I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: had to do. I had to exercise so much restraint
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: to not hit play on that.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Girl.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Reading the quotes was enough for me. I would not
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: want to hear those things spoken aloud. I couldn't even
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: finish the Boston Globe article. It was making me so upset.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: It was so rage-baity. But all of this is tailored for,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know, a really disgusting thing that we do
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: in the culture, which is like, We want to punish
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: liberals on this side of the argument that annoy the
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: fuck out of us because they are actually really fucking
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: annoying and they do engage in truly insidious behavior.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And we feel like they make us look bad by association.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: It's the concept of you're only as clocky as your
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: clockiest friend. Yes.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: And also, it is such loser behavior, actually. to like
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: dunk on these people when this like really should have
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: been like an intracommunal conversation. Not that anything is anymore.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Yes. On the other hand, I will say just on
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the serene necrosis of it all, they did say that,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you know, their commentary, of course they don't live at
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the scene of the lesbian COVID conscious lesbian bar. They said,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I don't even live in your town, but I hope
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: your venue gets fire bombed. for robbing my fellow immunocompromised
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: people of their Saturday plans just to scrape extra revenue
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: from ableists and friend of the show and former guests,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Ashley Reese, um, has a really interesting Instagram reel in
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: which she talked about how this person helped propagate the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: rumor that Ashley murdered her, her terminally ill husband.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: By hosting a wedding in late 2022 and, And then
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: this person went on to be unmasked at their own
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: wedding and is now saying that this bar should be firebombed. Crazy.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: That part of it, I think, is still worth a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: little pointing and laughing.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Former guests of the show, this is an Ashley Reese
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Stan podcast, okay? We stand behind her. I also say.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I'm with her, as they say.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: There's already talks for a film adaptation of this whole controversy.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Oh my god!
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It would be the most infuriating film ever made.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I understand the irony of the fact that we are
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: about to talk about fucking primetime, but the zolification of
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: media must be stopped. We have to stop like creating
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: IP out of like, out of like.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Viral scandals, viral threads. And like, like the trailer for
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the fucking chat GPT movie yesterday with Andrew Garfield, like Luca,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I have followed Luca Guadagnino places. I wouldn't go with
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: a gun, but I think I'm going to have to
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: sit that one out.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I like really have no desire to like, you
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: satiate the kind of disgusting part of me that wants
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: to like rage watch it. You know what I mean?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Like, I know it's just the true crimification of our culture,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: which is, and, and the, I think what this is
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: just indicative of is that the, the line on what
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: we as a culture consider crime keeps being pushed further
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and further towards just like behavior and, it's, it is
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: policing the way people talk and act the same way
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: we police actual criminals.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. And also like the same way that something,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: an article like this is something that the Jesse singles
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: of the world are using to bait the motherfucking like
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Republican side of the argument to say, look how, look
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: at all these fucking, uh, liberal idiots yeah exactly exactly
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: like and the same way like we are on the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: other side kind of baiting each other into um as
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: we all like kind of sit and wait for an
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: opportunity to like make fun of people that are covid
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: conscious because sorry it is a kind of easy target
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: sometimes because they they of the because of the serene
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: necrosis is serene necrosis of the world so necrosis is
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the plural you.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And there are many.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: But waiting for the opportunity to kind of dunk on
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: people that are immunocompromised or people that have long COVID
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: or any kind of person like that is also a
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: really icky thing.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And also people who care
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: about things that you don't care about and probably secretly
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: feel bad about not caring about. And I do think
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: there is also this impulse, especially among queer people, to
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: be like, well, look, I'm not as... queer as that
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: person it could be so much worse I'm one of
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: the I'm one of the cool ones I'm not like
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: regular I'm not like regular woke people I'm a cool
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: woke person.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: That is literally also such a good segue into our
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: main discussion but like to put a button on this
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: it's like honestly this whole scenario this whole like Boston
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: COVID lesbian bar scenario reminded me of t-boy wrestling and
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: That whole situation, I do not have time today to
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: summarize it for you. I have been asked by the
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: virgins to summarize it on a perhaps paywalled episode, which
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: could happen. Yeah, or you could just go on Reddit
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: and figure it out for yourself. I would not recommend
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: the YouTube essays about it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know there were any. Now I kind
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: of want to watch one.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: There are some really... really infactual YouTube summaries of the situation.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I would recommend one of the co-founders YouTube essay about it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Adam Bedrowski. I think that's his last name. This is
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: the unproblematic co-founder of T by wrestling, who was also
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: kind of like implicated in the whole situation of quote
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: unquote embezzlement, which I'm not even sure that's the right
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: term for the whole situation. But anyways, the other co-founder
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: of T by wrestling, was the ultimate culprit. Anyways, I
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: bring it up to say that there's this, the kind
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: of psychosis that we're witnessing in this specific situation just
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: is so indicative of a really, really gross fucking thing
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that we do as a culture on the woke quote-unquote side,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: which is that we say, if this thing that I
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: see is not tailored for me personally so specifically to
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: my needs, then it must be or it must be
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the road, unethical, or at the
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: very least, it must be problematized.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And is worthy of public shaming.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And often, all three of those things are not true.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: A lesbian, and forgive me, I don't know the full
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: details of the situation, but if a fucking lesbian bar owner,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: you know, is struggling to make ends meet, as is
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the case with the 99, 8% of gay bars in
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: the country and wants to open up a Saturday for
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: people to have a mask optional day. That is just
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: as important. That could be, could we exist in a
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: society that believes that that is just as important as
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: a person with long COVID who wants to have a
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: safe night out? You know what I mean? Something like that.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Like we really struggle to hold both in our hands.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: And I think that is a thematic question. Um, In
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the film Primetime, starring Robert Pattinson.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: You see how this looks, right?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: You see how this looks, right? This is Like a Virgin,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: the podcast for pervs, nerds, and trannies. I can't do the...
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I can't... You have to make your mouth so wide,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: and you have to kind of grimace. There's a wide
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: teeth thing that kind of has to happen when you
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: do the Robert Pattinson as Chris Hansen impression.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: And I do think thin lips are kind of important. Yeah.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: And neither of us.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: We both have, you know... A beautiful, plumped lips.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: If you listened to our Patreon episode, Batman Movies Ranked
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: by Bisexuality, you would say we would have Val Kilmer lips.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Okay? I think my lips are bigger than Val Kilmer's.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I wish my Cupid's bow was as big as Val Kilmer's,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: and I am thinking about getting some filler. Anyways, I digress.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Rose, you.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's talk about primetime.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I feel like you're... You've done more research on the background,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: and I would love for you to drive this discussion. Yeah.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Prime Time, a film we saw yesterday at Alamo Drafthouse
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: against Fran's wishes, is directed by Lance Oppenheim, who comes
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: from documentary films, which I think you can very much
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: tell watching this movie. It was written by Ajahn Singh.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I hope I'm pronouncing that right. Stars Robert Pattinson... as
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: famed or I guess better, it's better to say infamous, um,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: TV reporter, Chris Hansen, who had a show in the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: early two thousands that my family used to watch on
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the TV on our kitchen Island during dinner. Uh, so
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that kind of says it all about what kind of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: entertainment this was. And it was a show in which, um,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Actors playing teens would lure male adult predators to.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Well, let's say alleged predators.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Alleged predators.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Because to be honest, varying degrees of predatory behavior.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, although... I'm.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Not bold sizing, I'm just saying that the movie complicates that.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Legally soliciting a child or someone presenting themselves as a
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: child for sex is illegal.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Is illegal.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely clear.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: That is predation.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: And that's what the show is kind of predicated on.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yes. And the show, you know, would lure these quote
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: unquote predators to a fake house that had been rented
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: for filming purposes, which was just a set and would
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: do a bait and switch with these actors playing, you know, decoys.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: And then Chris Hansen would come in and ask them,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: what did you think was going to happen today? Would
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: read them their messages, very explicit messages with who they
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: thought were teenagers, would tell them they were free to go,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: and then those men would immediately be arrested by law enforcement,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: who it was always purported worked in a sort of
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: parallel path to the show running their own criminal investigations
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: parallel to the investigation being done by to catch a
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: predator and their the organization they worked with um uh
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: fuck was it something justice oh um uh perverted justice.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Perverted justice which is honestly low-key Alternate title for this podcast.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, need a t-shirt. But as many have said in
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the years since, especially in the 2007 Esquire article, Tonight
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: on Deadline, This Man Will Die by Luke Dittrich, on
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: which this film is based, the idea of these parallel
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: investigations was not exactly true. And more often than not, the...
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: law enforcement were kind of just background actors in this
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: TV show helping to give it legitimacy because no one
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: wanted to watch a show in which the predator was,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you know, as is said in this article, no one
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: wanted to watch to catch and release a predator. There
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: had to be some kind of button on the end
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of the show. And that was the police. And in fact,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: most of these arrests, there were no actual charges filed
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: against the perpetrators, which I think we'll get into a
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: little later in this discussion, the actual details of the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: case that this is based on. I think we should
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: start off with did we like the movie? And the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: answer for me is, I fucking loved it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I did fucking love this movie.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: It was so good. It's very cliche to be like, oh,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: it's a fever dream of a film, but this was
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: literally a fever dream of a film.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: And I think, so fever dream, even terminology, I think
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: the filmmaker himself used to describe the film because it
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: is a pretty, I would say surrealist take.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: It's kind of Lynchian in a way.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: It's Lynchian. It's really weird. It's surrealist.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: It's almost abstract at some points.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, extremely. And there's kind of dream ballets and fantasy montages.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: There's at least one or two that take place in
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: this film that I think complicate the film's sense of reality,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: and also Rob Pattinson's depiction of Chris Hansen is not, like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: it is accurate in speech, but it's not trying to
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: be a picture-perfect, accurate, realist take on Chris Hansen.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: No, it's not literal. It's an interpretation, for sure.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: And I think he does such a good job at
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: punching down on Chris Hansen, because that's a really nice thing,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: really easy thing to do in a biopic, is that
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: he is essentially casting onto Chris Hansen the whole entirety
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: of a culture's sycophantic relationship with watching this show. A
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: culture's desire to watch predators get caught, and therefore Chris
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Hansen's obsession with catching predators is a kind of one-to-one
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: thing that Rob Patson beautifully portrays as vampiric.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And, you know, Edward Cullen behavior.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: And if you watch this film and your takeaway is
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: kind of like, yeah, Chris Hansen was such a horrible guy. Like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: you know, blah, blah, blah. It's like, The movie actually
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: isn't really about that. He was probably a horrible guy, yeah,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: but the movie isn't really about that.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think actually the movie is really about him.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I think the real protagonist of the movie is Skylar
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Gisondo's character.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: He plays Dan Plum, who is a stand-in for the
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: real-life decoy Dan Shrack, who was 21 at the time.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: And I would say that this film is more his
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: story than Chris Hansen's. I mean, even, spoiler alert, spoilers
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: obviously for the whole movie, ends with him receiving his
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: SAG card, which was the main thing that he wanted
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: out of this job, and does really hammer home the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: idea that all of this It was never about protecting children.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: It was about creating good TV or at least entertaining TV.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, even the TV executive who was played by
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the real-life TV executive who works on the show at
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: this time.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Love that.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Says in the film that he doesn't like or get
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: the show, but.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: The public loves it. And that is what leads to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: it getting moved to prime time to compete against Lost,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the biggest show of the era.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I've never watched Lost. Have you?
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I honestly was thinking about watching it this winter. You should.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Just seasons one and two, right?
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: No, I would say it's good.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's like.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Mostly good through the whole thing like a lot of
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: people are very unsatisfied with the way it ends but
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: i like i like the way it.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Ends people were like game of thrones about the ending
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: no it's not it's really not that bad okay good
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to know and there's there's thrills and chills and twists
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: and turns throughout the entirety and honestly thrills and chills
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: in prime time like i was riveted it is a
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: psychological thriller it's a psychological thriller it's like often horror
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: It is horrific at times.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: When the guy whips his dick out and starts spraying
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: whipped cream on it, I was like, am I watching
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: paranormal activity?
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: There's also, so in part of the kind of surrealist
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: take on Chris Hansen, which I think is loosely, Chris
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Hansen denies that this is fact, but I think there's
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: alternate reporting that suggests that this actually happened, is that
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Robert Pattinson is frequently shown reciting the text messages to
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: himself and figuring out how he's going to deliver the
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: kind of one of the most famous things about the show,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: which is that he reads these disgusting chat messages to
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the predator. And, um, it is so it's, it seems
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: so sinister.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: And I love that that's kind of, um, double clicked
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: on when, um, Dan Plum asks Chris Hansen if his
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: bracelet is an acting totem. And Chris Hansen, Robert Pattinson
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: as Chris Hansen gets very serious and says, nothing I
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: do is acting.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Can you?
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: But everything he did was acting.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Everything.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: It was like Tammy Brown, I'm acting.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I'm acting. Can you, I'm sorry, as a total aside,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: can you imagine like Chris Hansen Like.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Reading- Playing Zip Zap Zop.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: That too. Zip, zap, zap. Can you imagine Chris Hansen
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: reading out loud truly any average like chat messages exchanged
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: between like your average like gay guy on a hookup app? Like,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like- Everyone we know would
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: be in prison. Everyone we know would be in prison. Like,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: can you just imagine just like Chris Hansen being like,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I want to breed your gaping boy hole. Like, you
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, imagining him kind of.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Imagine if he got a hold of my roleplay negotiations.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: If he knew about Alice.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Not Alice. The fake girlfriend. That's for... Well, that's a
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Patreon discussion. Paywall only.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Paywall discussion.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Patreon.com slash like a virgin.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: But there is something kind of.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: The.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: chat messages has a recurring motif in the show itself
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: and also in the movie was really, really interesting to
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: me because what it started to make me think about,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: sorry to get into like the kind of heady stuff,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: but like the way talking, a culture's obsession with predators,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: which was like started into the 90s and reaching kind
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: of an apex when this show debuted in the early aughts,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: turned into, quickly turned from, or went from talking about pedophiles,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: talking about literal predators, talking about people that are harming children,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: and kind of compounding and conflating it with, sorry, pervs
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: in general, or anyone that has an expressed sexual desire,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: anybody that....
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: A sort of non-normative sexual desire.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, like, or just like, gay and queer people in general. Yeah.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: And if you don't see how that led to where
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: we are today as a culture, and let us be clear,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: it is kind of crazy that we have to say this,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: but it's 2026. Pedophiles are bad.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Pedophiles are bad. Hey, in case you're wondering, pedophiles are bad.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Pedophiles are bad.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: And there's so many people that are going to try
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: and review this movie that will need to say the
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: same thing because People that hate pedophiles are... They're not going... Like,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: it's just... You cannot have any sort of ambiguity on
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: it if we watch the... If we've watched the Epstein
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Fowl stuff go down, if you've watched this sociocultural attention
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: to the word groom, or if we've watched what happened
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: when Balenciaga had, like, fetish gear in the same frame as, like,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: a child in that Christmas campaign, what have you.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: And the teddy bears.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. There's just such a... Still want one.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: There's a really, really bizarre... thing that happens when we
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: try to invoke conversation around predators and around pedophiles and
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I think I thought a bit about Blue Film a
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: extremely imperfect film that makes a barely there extremely imperfect
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: argument about what it could look like to empathize with
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: somebody who is like a pederast or empathize with somebody
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: who is a pedophile a self-proclaimed pedophile Another really good
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: example of that is Todd Solanz's film Happiness, which is
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: a tough watch, but incredible. Or May December, right? I
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: don't know if we were being invited to empathize with
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Julianne Moore's character in that film.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: We were certainly being asked to see her humanity.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: And I think that is... I don't think primetime is
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: asking us to see the humanity of predators, which I
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: think actually is a hairy and imperfect thing to try
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: and do as many filmmakers have tried to do because
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: they want to do the most daring thing they can
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: do in film, and what is it? Oh, we make
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: you empathize with a predator.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: And it's something I actually think the Esquire article does
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: better than the film does, is make the real-life predator
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: that the story is based on feel more human.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Right. But what the film, I think, actually does venture
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: to do and is really good at showcasing is.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Showing us how the way we luxuriate in the spectacle
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: of To Catch a Predator is also a denial of
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: our own complicity, of our own perversion. Our own perversion
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: to watch the show in the sycophantic nature of watching
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: that show and how ugly it is, actually. Our own
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: personal desires that we might have, not for kids, but
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: just like, around sexting in general, as this entity would
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: problematize sexting or things like it, or just our shame.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? One of the really good
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: points the article makes is that the real man at
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: the center of the story was a Texas assistant district
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: attorney named Bill Conradt. And one of the points the
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: article makes is when he was talking to perverted justice
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and being lured into this trap, he was presenting himself
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: as a 19-year-old. And he obviously wasn't. So what the
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: journalist raises is could he not have believed that the
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: person he was talking to was also pretending to be
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: a 13-year-old? And that doesn't make that doesn't make his
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: desire acceptable because he's still like, it still is gross
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: and disgusting. And I think evil to fantasize about fucking
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: a child. But it is, it does kind of make
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: everything a little murkier when you think about, you know,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the ways in which you yourself have engaged in chat,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: which is, as you were saying before, you absolutely would
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: not want read aloud to you on TV, even if
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: it wasn't as bad as that. Yeah.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: And it'll, and I think the film also even complicates
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: our understanding of evil, the term evil, right? Because a
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: term that Chris Hansen uses often in real life and
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: in the movie and understanding that I think honestly, okay,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: There's very sparing but brilliant use of Saddam Hussein and
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: images of Osama bin Laden in this kind of 9-11
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: era media.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, when you see their posters in the
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: police locker room, it's so perfect.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: And I think it speaks to the groomers of the
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: current era. It speaks to the Epstein Files cultural obsession
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: of the current era that we as a culture will
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: always look for a boogeyman. We'll always look for an
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: amorphous evil entity.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Because we are a punitive carceral culture.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: And because of the sycophantic nature of our obsession with
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: a boogeyman, our obsession with like, you know, something we've
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: deemed evil in opposition to good. We, we're led to
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: believe that if vanquished, we'll experience the sweet catharsis of
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: being good.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: But the fact is, in the reality of To Catch
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: a Predator, these predators, the evil was never vanquished. In fact,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: none of the men in Texas where To Catch a Predator,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: where they filmed... several episodes of the show, including the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: one about Conrad's death, none of the men who were
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: arrested by Texas police were actually prosecuted because all of
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the arrests were illegal for a number of reasons. First
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: of all, it's quoted in the article, in order to
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: pursue an online solicitation of a minor charge, you've got
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: to prove that either the suspect or the victim in
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the case was physically present in the county where the
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: crime was committed, and it wasn't possible to prove that.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: And then also, because they had to, there was no
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: proof that could be made that the police had done
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: their own investigation leading to these arrests. The district attorney,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: John Roach, said at the time, the Murphy Police Department
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: was merely a player in the show and had no
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: real law enforcement position. Other people were doing the work
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: and the police are just like potted plants to make
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: the scenery. And in 2007, seven months after the end
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: of the sting operation, three months after Dateline airs the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: relevant episode of To Catch a Predator, the district attorney's
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: office announces that it has decided not to pursue indictments
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: for any of the suspect's Murphy police arrested outside the
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: decoy house. And this was something that frequently happened with
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: to catch a predator because it was again, not about
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: actually punishing these men in a way that would better society.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: It was not about protecting real children from harm. And
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: there are children who are preyed upon every day. It
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: was about creating entertainment, creating a public spectacle. There's a
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: reason why in this film, um, Chris Hansen's character talks
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: about the idea of like the, the medieval village and
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: the pillory and people being publicly whipped. Um, and, or
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's the, the, um, the, he talks about
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: that with the person on the plane who actually, I
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: don't know if you, if you noticed it was, uh,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Creed from the office, uh, which is so perfect role
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: for him. So perfect. Um, it was about, us wanting
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: really what the people who watched to catch a predator
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: wanted was to feel better about the fact that this
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: stuff happens in the world. They have no power over
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: it and they're not doing anything to stop it at
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: a systemic label. So they want the emotional catharsis of
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: seeing someone be fucking humiliated and then tackled by a
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: bunch of cops on TV. Even if that person is
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: then free to potentially actually harm the actual children. Because remember,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: none of these people, none of the people they were
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: talking to were actually children.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, literally. It really was kind of catch and release
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: a predator.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: And we are, again, we are not sympathizing with these
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: people who engaged with who they thought were children. But
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I can kind of empathize with the humanity of people
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: who were made to be insidiously entrapped, who were insidiously
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: entrapped to the point that one of them killed himself.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Literally like literally. I think that that's why the ending
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: of the film is so brilliant. It like, it, it
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: doesn't say, Hey, like empathize with pedophiles. It's, it says, Oh,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: do you like, do you not see that this show
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: involved real humans?
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: And like, this is not a, this is not a
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: scripted entertainment. I mean, it was very script, but you
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? It's like, it is, it was
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: so brilliantly kind of balanced in a way that I
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: did not expect. Cause I actually thought that it was
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: going to go much deeper in trying to make us
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: empathize with pedophiles. I thought that that I was like,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: that's just kind of what I think is going to happen.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: And it really didn't do that. It implicated us as
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: a culture, which I think was the, is the much more,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: salient thing to say.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Because the article itself is much more about the
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: police's incompetence in this case. And I think the movie
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: skews more on laying the fault at the feet of
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Chris Hansen, at the producer character who is an amalgamation
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: of a couple different producers who actually worked on the show,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: played brilliantly by Merritt Weaver, who We'll be securing an
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Oscar nomination. You think? A nomination for sure.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, Robbie deserves the Oscar. I know that we
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: shouldn't pit men against each other, but I love that
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Digger is getting really negative reviews right now.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: It's apparently going to be the biggest flop of the year,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: but I'll still be there opening day.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I love... I would love it if Robbie fucking.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I like that you call him Robbie.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Robbie. I would love for Robbie to really fucking own
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: his ass on this Oscar campaign.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I think this is his best performance to date. Easily.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: And in an incredibly stacked year, already this year, he's
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: done the drama, the Odyssey, this, and then we still
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: have Dune 3, in which he's, I believe, the secondary antagonist. Right. I.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: don't watch the dunes. I actually, now I might have
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: to start watching it because of Robbie. Um, I don't
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: care about the drama, but do you, would you, could
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: you rank if you were to preemptively rank the dune,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: his dune performance?
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to, I'm going to leave dune out
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: of it, but of the films he's already done this year,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: last place for me is the drama. Okay. I, and
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I'm basing this on his performance, not the film itself. Yes, yes, yes.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: The drama is last. And that one is kind of,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I'm skewing just cause I didn't love that movie. Um,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Then the Odyssey, because as good as he is, he's
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: just not in a lot of it. And also he's.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: In a slightly different movie than the rest of the,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: But then this is, I think, his best performance of
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: the year. And I imagine once Dune 3 comes out,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: that will still be true because like, that's just going
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: to be a different thing. He's going to be playing
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: like a very heightened, you know, sci-fi villain character. And
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: I imagine that this is just like, going to still
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: stand up as a more nuanced layered performance. As everyone
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: in this movie gave like Skylar Gisondo was kind of
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: a revelation to me as was Phoebe Bridgers. Girl Phoebe.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Who knew she could act. The girl.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Okay. Virgins in this film, Phoebe plays both the boy
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: decoys and girl decoys.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: They're not the canonically non-binary decoy.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: It's, She's so fucking good. She has so few moments,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: scenes to like- But more.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Than I thought she would. I thought she was going
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: to be kind of a glorified cameo, but she has
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: meaty scenes.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: She's a significant role.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: She's like in the top four actors build in this movie. Girl,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: she's so good. And she does so much with not
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: that much.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: But like what she does is so effective.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: So much.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Like the scene where she's, so angry about the the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: merch they're selling which is like you know making like
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: a um a a pair of like a thong that
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: says you know like i've been inspected and i'm over
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: 18 yeah contents over age disgusting um or you know
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: when she like at the end as they're going to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: you know raid the the predator's house and she splits
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: off from the rest of the crew. And we have
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: that moment between her and Skylar Gisondo's character where clearly
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: like we see her taking the highest road possible in
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: the circumstances by not being part of that, you know,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: absolute miscarriage of justice.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just really effective. I, your boyfriend is
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: also in this.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: My boyfriend?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Eric Rahil.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. The boyfriend from Maddie's Secret who turns
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: up shirtless. Thank God.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: I think his first scene is shirtless.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: His first scene is shirtless. He plays Dan Plum's actor friend.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: And there is this very, very fundamentally early 2000s, no homo,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: homoeroticism between them where it's, very clear that this guy
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: wants to fuck this little twink like he's constantly like
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: sexualizing their interactions and like asking him if he's jerked
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: off in his hotel room but then also like nagging
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: him and telling him he's not a real actor just
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: like another really good kind of archetype of the culture
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: that was swirling around to catch a predator in the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: early 2000s.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Yes I like thought that these little seeds pardon my
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: pun of no homo homo eroticism were going to be
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: like kind of plotted, but they actually weren't plot indicative.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: They were like textural to help us understand like Skylar
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: as a perfect twink in the culture being sexualized by
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: people around him in a way that's sycophantic. And in
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: a way, and also, yeah, and also as a texture
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: for the early aughts culture, which was also like the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: setting was so well done, like the fruit roll up,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: the nine inch nails t-shirt.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, that was so funny. He's like, what's nin?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: And he was like, somebody lock this girl up. She's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: got nine inch nails. Something, a scene I also been
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: thinking about a lot is, so the, The character Xavier,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: who is based on the real-life founder of perverted justice,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: he is the one who goes out looking for these
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: pedophiles and lures them in pretending to be teenagers. And
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Chris Hansen and the producer played by Merritt Weaver kind
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: of write off his claims that he's found a big
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: fish because it doesn't seem doable. And then after receiving
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: pressure from the network, Hansen goes to his room in
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: the middle of the night to tell him to actually
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: go after him. And this guy has to take a
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: minute to open the door. And it's very clear that
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: he was like jerking off. And so I thought that
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: was like really interesting showing that this man who is
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: like this crusader trying to catch pervs. Like, is himself
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: engaging in sexual behavior that he doesn't want anyone to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: see or know about?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: That many people who watch To Catch a Predator would
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: want to indict. Because the same people that, you know.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Have.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: A mania around accusing everyone and their mother of being
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: a pedophile... Are the same people that think that.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Are pedophiles? Yeah, that too.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: And also the same people that think that like pornography
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: should be illegal or that it's like, you know, the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: drug of the devil.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Well, according to you, only anal pornography.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Should be illegal. Because it's not right. It's against God's plan.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: It is against God's plan. And I'm always saying that.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: This is a joke, virgins. Just FYI.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: I honestly... There was also.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: I know we have to kind of wrap out this conversation.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: I know we're over time. But I was just... There's
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: so many other things that I felt like the film
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: made me want to dig into about this era and
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: the relatively new emergence of the term predator. How predator
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: as a term in the culture was just a little
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: over a decade old when this show aired and how our.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: I want to say in like the early aughts, let
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: me just Google really in maybe like in 2009, there
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: were tons of like sexting prosecutions where in teen, like
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: teenagers were charged with like sex offense charges because they
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: were making child pornography by taking sexual pictures of themselves.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: And girl, there's somebody that's way smarter than me that
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: could like, talk about this in depth but i think
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: there is something to be said about how um uh
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: architecture created to protect children then eventually becoming so snake
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: eating its own tail that it's used against children absolutely
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: and and all it says something about just the completely
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: paradoxical way that um thinking the sycophantic thinking around catching
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: a predator, catching a predator ends up becoming something entirely different. Yeah.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: It's all ego. And it's just so this film is
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: so the time that we're in now is so ripe
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: for a reexamination of this because this sowed so many
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: of the seeds that have blossomed, unfortunately into our contemporary culture.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: You know, Chris Hansen is still doing the same old bullshit.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: He pivoted to YouTube. He has his own streaming service
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: called True Blue. If you want a more in-depth look
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: at Chris Hansen's post to Catch a Predator career, I
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: would highly recommend watching my friend Kat Tenbarge's video essay,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Chris Hansen Was Never the Hero, in which she and
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: another reporter, both of whom have had journalistic interactions with Hansen,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: talk about him. give a lot more context to sort
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: of the, the media implications of, of who he was
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: and what he did to our culture at large. And
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I just like, I love this movie as a piece
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: of art. And then I also, and I love it.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: I think just as equally as a piece of social
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: and political commentary, which is, I think very unusual in
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: a film for, for it to be, As good at
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: being one as it is as the other. And that's
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: why I think Lance Oppenheim coming from a documentary doc,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: a documentary, documentary, a documentary background is the reason why
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: this film works so much and, and why I think
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: it would not have worked as well in another director's hands.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: I totally agree.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Also there's construction in the background of my fucking podcast session.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: So I'm sorry to the virgins if you're hearing the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: bleeping outside. But yeah, I'm, I'm, I am interested to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: see about what will, what Chris, what will happen to
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Chris Hansen in the culture currently, because he's someone actually
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: that no one was paying attention to. And now a
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: lot of people are going to start paying more attention
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: to the real Chris Hansen, who mind you has like
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: launch and kind of embezzled multiple kind of crowdfunding situations
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: where he promised he was going to make a new show.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: And then the new show never happened. And people are
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: like on his Kickstarter being like, where's my to catch
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: a predator hat that you promised me when also aren't you,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: are you going to make a new show or what?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: And he keeps like, he keeps like launching and sunsetting
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: things in like a super duper kind of scammer way.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Um, but I was actually surprised to find out that
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: he has not been adopted as sort of like a,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: a right wing. Yes. Hero. And I actually think that
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: might be the outcome of this film. That would be
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: like pivots to sort of like Erica Kirk vibes. Yes.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, something that I'll also say is Chris Hansen
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: has since seen the film and commented on it, and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like he is low-key in some
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: ways going to the Anna Wintour school of how to
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: promote a movie that is denigrating your character. He's kind
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: of being like, Robert Pattinson has been very nice to me,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: great performance, but a lot of it is not true,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of it is not true. He's towing the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: line of, he's definitely not promoting the film, he's saying
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: that it's all made up, But he's also kind of
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: being like, oh, but the filmmaking and like he's both sides.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: All press is good press, honey. And he knows that.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: He knows that this is good for him. And also
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: he knows that he benefits from aligning himself with Robert Pattinson,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: aligning himself with Hollywood. So he is, to me, currently,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: even though not hired by A24, for sure an extension
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: of the marketing himself.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. And if we know anything about culture is
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: that it's all marketing.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, baby. Not that I would know anything about marketing. Rose,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: is there a recommendation that we can polish off this
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: episode with for the versions? We often recommend things on
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: the show. We're toying with the format and we're thinking
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: about putting our recommendations at the end. of the episode
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: so that it's something that you can look forward to. Okay,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: I'll let you pick, Rose. I have two different things
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: I could talk about. I want you to pick one.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: I saw Coyote vs. Acme, and I also saw The
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: End of Oak Street, the Anne Hathaway dinosaur film.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that as well.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, you did?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, I wouldn't recommend it.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't love it. I think it's worth streaming
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: on HBO Max, but... I feel like it's barely worth streaming. Barely.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: It was like chat GPT Steven Spielberg.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: There are some genuinely scary sequences with the dinosaurs, like
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: the big snake dinosaur in the house. I actually found
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: that pretty tense, but I thought the dinosaur design was
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: really disappointing, and I also just wish it had had
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: an unhappy ending. Like, I want a movie that truly...
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: I want a true dinosaur horror movie in a way
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: that we've never really gotten as a culture. This was
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: kind of trying to be that, but also trying to
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: be too family-friendly. Yeah.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: So confusing. Because a lot of the tone of the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: film is Spielbergian, family-friendly, and then really.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Random instances of like super duper violence and, and, and
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: like not necessarily like slash or gore, but blood and dismemberment. Um,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: and that to me was really surprising because I would
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: have loved the it's Jurassic park, but rated our take. Like,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: that to me would have been an amazing movie.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: We still need that movie. Yes.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: And they even used the same fucking visual effects, like,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: team as, like, Jurassic Park. So I thought the effects, like,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: looked really great. But, um, for the most part. But yeah,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: I just, I really wish it had just gone all
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: the way in being the violent dinosaur movie.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: I did not think the effects looked good. I thought
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: all the dinosaurs essentially looked the same, but at different sizes. I, my, my.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: complete my hypothesis based on nothing is that if they
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: did get the visual effects team from Jurassic Park I
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: think that vendor had a financial ceiling that could not
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: be met like I think they were like we could
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: afford this much visual effects and I think that the
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: visual effects artists were like girl that is like one
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: fifth of what you should pay for and so I
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: think that's part of why there were very few dinosaur showdowns.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the movie was giving budget.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: It was like a really cool dinosaur would appear and
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: then it would kind of wander off screen for five seconds,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: like after five to 11 seconds. And you kind of
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: be like, wait, but I want to fight with that dinosaur.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: I want to see something, like I want a big
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: set piece with that dinosaur. But it felt like maybe
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: they could only afford so many dinosaur set pieces.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: I know. And it was just kind of crazy that
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: you have Anne Hathaway shooting a T-Rex and like thinking
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: that's going to do anything.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Who, by the way, was giving Shakespearean acting in
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: this film. She sold every single second of this movie.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: And sorry, Ewan McGregor, our homegirl, was phoning it in.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: He was there for the paycheck. He was a fucking,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: And I wanted him, spoiler alert, to actually die at
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: the end. Yeah. I wanted a bleaker, darker ending. Yeah.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I think the film would have been much better for
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: having one. Yeah.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, my one recommendation I'm going to give... Should I pick? Yeah,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: why don't you pick?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, I will save... There's two of these that I
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: will save for another day. I actually do want to
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: know about the love hypothesis.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. I watched the... That actually is the one I
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: was going to pick.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Because I do think we should talk about East of
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: Eden if you're planning on watching it.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not. And also, we're going to see Paranormal Activity,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: so we should discuss that in a Paranormal Activity recap.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: East of Eden is so good. You should watch it.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: But I'll talk about it more in a later episode. Okay,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: The Love Hypothesis is this new Amazon romantic comedy based
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: on a book that is Raylo fan fiction. What's Raylo?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Raylo is Kylo Ren, Adam Driver, and Daisy Ridley's Rey.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Raylo is their fanfic ship name. And the book is
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: like Fifty Shades of Grey-esque fanfiction with the serial numbers
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: filed off. What? It was a huge, huge best-selling novel
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: about a Stanford doctoral student who starts fake dating one
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: of the professors at Stanford for reasons. The book I
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: read because I was bored. It's like very horny. The
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: movie is much less horny than the book is. The
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: movie stars Lily Reinhart. And the reason why this movie
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: works is mostly because of her. She's so charming. And honestly,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: between the love hypothesis and the horror film Forbidden Fruits
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: that she was in recently, I'm buying stock in Lily Reinhart.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: I think she's actually an amazing actress. She is.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: And bicon.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Bicon. Huge bicon. And also this film is elevated by
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: the side characters who are kind of like better than
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: they have any right to be. One of them is
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: played by Jaboukie Young-White. Love. Who's really good. The love
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: interest in this has the palest lips I've ever seen.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: It's really spooky, but this is clock this gag, mama. So,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: as I said, this is based on Raylo fanfiction. Yeah.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: One of the characters who is part of Raylo was
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: played by Daisy Ridley. Daisy Ridley is married to the
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: guy who plays the love interest in this movie. What?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: He is starring in the movie adaptation of fanfiction written
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: about his wife. Isn't that crazy?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: What? And I have to imagine that's part of why
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: he got the role.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was just about to say. That's absolutely
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  Speaker 2: part of why he got the role.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think he knew when he agreed? I mean,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: he knew when he agreed to it.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. I'm sure his agent was like, I know
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of weird, but this is why you're getting
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: the part. You want the paycheck. What?
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  Speaker 2: This guy was.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not the only reason he was cast,
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  Speaker 1: but I know some executive was like, we have to...
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  Speaker 1: take any additional metric for success we can get. And
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: this will create conversation online. And it absolutely did.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: This dude, Tom Bateman, was in a series called Behind
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Her Eyes that last night was summarized to me by
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  Speaker 2: Julio and James. And girl, I can't even spoil it
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  Speaker 2: for you. It's one of the most psychotic things that
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: ever heard in my entire life I think you kind
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: of have to watch it because I.
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  Speaker 1: Would actually prefer if you told Julio and James to
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  Speaker 1: send me a voice note explaining it to me in
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  Speaker 1: a similar way that they did for you.
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  Speaker 2: They're so good at summarizing it I also just speaking
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: of summaries love Hypothesis the fact that it is like
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: I was just reading the logline. After an impulsive kiss,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: two scientists end up. Like, Lily Reinhart as a scientist
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  Speaker 2: is brilliant.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: No, she's actually pretty believable. Love that.
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  Speaker 2: Is she holding, like, beakers and vials? She's holding beakers
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: and vials. She's wearing goggles.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: She's wearing goggles. She has lab rats that she's engaging with.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Does she have a lab coat?
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: She does have a lab coat. She talks about memorizing
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: the periodic table for fun. Right, this is what scientists do.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: She has a plot significant dead mother.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Right, this is what scientists do. They wear lab coats
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: and they play with vials and rats.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: They have really bad nutrition. She's always eating like sugary
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: snacks and drinking sugary coffee drinks. She's so quirky.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: There's nothing crazier than a beautiful, hot, skinny woman eating snacks.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: The craziest thing she does is that she wears a
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: lab coat over a denim miniskirt, which I think is
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: just like not appropriate. That's got to be against some
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: kind of like HIPAA. It's a HIPAA violation.
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  Speaker 2: It went to the kind of like, Kim Basinger as
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: a journalist kind of like template, um, templatization of like
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: making hot women in certain roles makes sense, which they do.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: And you know, she's a scientist cause her hair is Brown,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: a blonde scientist.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: They would never know. Science would never allow it.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: It would never, it could never, they don't give brunettes doctorates.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: No, no, it's actually like, it's against the code.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Neither of us will ever be doctors.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Um, Right.
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