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Patriots Unfiltered 12/7: Time to Adjust Team Building Philosophy?, Wide Receiver Talk, Rest of Season Outlook · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: we need to talk about what transpired Thursday night. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't good. Half the starting lineup was just missing
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  Speaker 1: from practice. Yeah, just like an optional day or something
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  Speaker 1: on their part. Just quit. So John is Quinn still
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  Speaker 1: GM there? Who's the GM in Titans? John Robinson was
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  Speaker 1: like honest, like honestly, like sometimes I like, are you
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  Speaker 1: having the flue about any repercussions on the cloak that
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  Speaker 1: Bill was wearing for those for those of us, he
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  Speaker 1: has no time for you. Come on, let's get to
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  Speaker 1: the over routes. Um. So he does it again. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and that makes Patriots fans even more miserable. Will you
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  Speaker 1: yearn for the days of your then have Max. He
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  Speaker 1: wants to be coach harder, rights, harder, harder. That's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be coached harder. This is Patriots Unfiltered,
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  Speaker 1: fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It's
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday here at Gillette Stadium. And uh, what a lively
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  Speaker 1: show yesterday. I was just that we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: it before. But just a great job, Matt. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it captured so much of the spirit. It was a
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  Speaker 1: good show. You're working blue as usually, you know, not
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  Speaker 1: like we had to pat ourselves in the back. But
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a really good, lively conversation about
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  Speaker 1: the current state of affairs with the Patriots. And I
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  Speaker 1: think we looked at it from all different angles as
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  Speaker 1: objectively as both sides. Yeah, we don't just like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: hammer away at everything and we don't just tell you
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  Speaker 1: everything is great. Yeah, we just of course give the
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  Speaker 1: past to Bill Belichick, of course, as the caller called
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  Speaker 1: in yesterday. And I didn't care because I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that sort of means that we're doing our job. Like
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  Speaker 1: if people are kind of you know, attacking us, are
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  Speaker 1: being too negative, and sometimes attacking us are being too.
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  Speaker 1: You know, people behind people hear what they want to hear.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that means that we're probably offering some
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  Speaker 1: balance to the show. And you know, it's not an
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  Speaker 1: easy thing to do when there's so many issues, Like
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  Speaker 1: it'd be so like I keep saying this about the offense,
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  Speaker 1: it'd be so easy if you just said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the receivers are doing great, the running game is awesome,
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  Speaker 1: the past protection is great. Quarterback just can't get him
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  Speaker 1: in the ball. Just gotta do something about the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: That's easy, well, not easy, but you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's easy to identify. Yeah. Well it's funny now too,
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  Speaker 1: because every I feel like every day you get someone
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  Speaker 1: new chimes in with an article. So I know Karen
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  Speaker 1: talked to SCARNECKI. Uh, you've got Charlie Weiss weighing in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody's got their own thing, like Charlie Weiss
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  Speaker 1: is it's the weapons, Scarnecki is. You don't say this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, everybody's got an opinion, Dan Orlovsky,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's just each new person kind of brings
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  Speaker 1: a new angle to it. And so it's there's just
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  Speaker 1: so much to digest and dissect and at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, it's, uh, it's tough to pinpoint one thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of things, right, Yeah, I mean we
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  Speaker 1: were talking before the show, and you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about our conversation afterwards, and I told you guys
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  Speaker 1: before the show, like, you know, what if? What if?
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  Speaker 1: The plan all along for Bill was to bring in
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  Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, and Nick Saban said, hey, can you just wait.
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  Speaker 1: He's got one more year left. Can you wait on that?
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  Speaker 1: And so Bill had to go back to the drawing
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  Speaker 1: board and rather than bring in somebody else, thinking I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna have Bill next O'Brien next year, he elevates or
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  Speaker 1: he puts Patricia over there as sort of a placeholder.
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  Speaker 1: I trust the guy. You know, he's smart. It's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be a complete disaster. He'll he'll be a
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  Speaker 1: placeholder until next year when we get um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien. Bill O'Brien will also be the quarterbacks coach.
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  Speaker 1: I'll make Judge. I'll bring Judge back over to special
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  Speaker 1: teams to be the coordinator and make that better. I
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  Speaker 1: like I like your theory, I like you, I like
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  Speaker 1: your and and so now in twenty twenty three, all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, your coaching staff becomes this kind of
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  Speaker 1: mess that people think it is right now to actually
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  Speaker 1: his strength. I guess my question to that might be,
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  Speaker 1: are they setting a foundation for the Bill O'Brien offense
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  Speaker 1: or is Matt Patricia and Bill Beli O'Brien's going to
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  Speaker 1: come in. That's the flaw in my thinking, your pook.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the flaw in my thinking. So if if
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  Speaker 1: Patricia is in fact a placeholder and you're gonna bring
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  Speaker 1: in a Brian in twenty twenty three, why then change
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  Speaker 1: the offense? Well, you could just have Bill O'Brien come
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  Speaker 1: in with Mac Jones and just say we're going Alabama. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, well, Joe Phill O'Brien, the offense, Bill O'Brian
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  Speaker 1: no longer needs any teaching after two years and running it,
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  Speaker 1: and so we go. So so the conversation in my
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  Speaker 1: head continued along these lines, and then I'm thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: could the changes that they were trying to make in
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  Speaker 1: this spring be a foundation for more Alabama RPO? And
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  Speaker 1: so the question I would have for you do Sir
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  Speaker 1: Evan when he gets here is you know, do you
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  Speaker 1: need to incorporate zone stretch kind of running if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to run RPO, because you got to get people
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  Speaker 1: on the move, you know, and so like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: did they want to kind of establish that type of
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  Speaker 1: offensive line movement in anticipation of more RPO. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we can consult our residents. Yeah, you and I are qualified,
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  Speaker 1: but I would say I don't. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that they can exist, you know,
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  Speaker 1: independently of those is not necessarily tied to those, to
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  Speaker 1: those things that. But one other point that you're flirting
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  Speaker 1: with here, and I think it's a bigger point that
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  Speaker 1: we haven't really talked about much as just you know,
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  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick seventy years old, and you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: we all agree he's not in the position to be
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  Speaker 1: burning seasons at this point. And I don't ever expect
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  Speaker 1: him to completely flip his you know, general philosophy of
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  Speaker 1: the last twenty years and go all in and just
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  Speaker 1: totally take a blowtorch to the whole organization after he leaves,
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  Speaker 1: but cash in and just try to get that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: another super Bowl because he's got to answer Brady or
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  Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff. And I just don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the balance is because one hand, I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't want him to blow the franchise up, But
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  Speaker 1: I also think like the clock is ticking, buddy, Like
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  Speaker 1: you know, you don't have it a year or to
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  Speaker 1: just like, well, we'll just kind of mess around this
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  Speaker 1: year and see what happens, and then next year we'll get, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the guys that we actually want to run
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  Speaker 1: the offense. So you know, that's just what I wonder
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  Speaker 1: with him at this point in his career. What does
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  Speaker 1: he want to be doing. Does he want to you know,
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  Speaker 1: just stick to his guns absolutely and do everything that
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  Speaker 1: we talked about yesterday in terms of team building and
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  Speaker 1: all that, you know, or does you know or is
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  Speaker 1: there some element of, hey, I gotta I don't have
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  Speaker 1: much time to have like if I want to win
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  Speaker 1: games and have fun with this and you know, be
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  Speaker 1: part of a winning organization again, I gotta make some
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  Speaker 1: moves that maybe might have been outside of you know,
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  Speaker 1: what WEEK might have come to expect over the last
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  Speaker 1: twenty years and what I'm saying, Like, so the premise
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  Speaker 1: there is that breaking that record is dictating decisions. And
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know a lot of people will disagree
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  Speaker 1: with this, but I honestly don't think that Bill like,
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  Speaker 1: I think he cares about the record. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't care about the record, like if it happens,
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  Speaker 1: he'll be really it'll be really cool and and all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. But I do believe him when I think
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  Speaker 1: when he says, you know, there's a balance between what
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  Speaker 1: is good this year and also planning for the future.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's changed, you know, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that now it's all in for every season because I
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  Speaker 1: gotta break that record. I don't see that. I know
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  Speaker 1: there's gray area between it and I mean, you gotta
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  Speaker 1: win games, like that's the bottom line. You gotta win games.
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  Speaker 1: You want to break that record, win games you want
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  Speaker 1: to win, you know, get the playoffs and be relevant.
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  Speaker 1: Win games. One of those things I have a hard
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  Speaker 1: time understanding. And I don't hear. I think Robert Kraft
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  Speaker 1: might be more pressure to win now than the record, right,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a I don't hear a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people criticize sort of the pursuit of the record, because
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  Speaker 1: the pursuit of the record is what Mike just said.
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  Speaker 1: In order to do it, you have to win games,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what everybody ultimately wants, right, So it's not
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  Speaker 1: like you, well, he's being selfish, he wants the record. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's probably part of him that says, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do want that record. It doesn't mean a lot,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to win games, right, So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's you know, I think it could be considered a
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  Speaker 1: selfish pursuit, but ultimately it's doing what you want as
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  Speaker 1: a fan, as a as a coach, as an owner,
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  Speaker 1: as a player. You want to win games. You don't
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  Speaker 1: want to go, you know, a tear down rebuild if
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  Speaker 1: you're if you're part of the organization of any organization,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm just going to half ask my way through
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  Speaker 1: the next six years of five win games. We could
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  Speaker 1: have and it's not important for this discussion. We could have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a week's worth of shows on whether or
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  Speaker 1: not you go all in, and that's not the right
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  Speaker 1: thing for a team, Like, that's not what this is about.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's you know a lot of teams have
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  Speaker 1: gone all in and had success with it. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean you have to stink and be a dumpster fire
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  Speaker 1: there you know, thereafter and and there's so many layers
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  Speaker 1: to this, and one of them is his kids, you know, like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so my two sons are coaches on my team. I'm
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to be around forever. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I can see the end. I'm on the eighteenth hole here,
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  Speaker 1: but my kids aren't. They hopefully have a long future
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL. I would love to set them up
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  Speaker 1: as part of a winning organization, having been part of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a super Bowl or at least a you know,
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  Speaker 1: a perennial playoff team, because nothing helps a coach get
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  Speaker 1: another job than being part of a winning program. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Like he's a human being and a father. How can
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  Speaker 1: you not think of your kid's future. And nothing's better
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  Speaker 1: for his kid's future than to be part of a
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  Speaker 1: winning team in the NFL. You know, that's a great
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  Speaker 1: That's a great other layer too to the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: of I mean, I guess it just boils down to
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  Speaker 1: winning solves everything. You know, every all these problems. You
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  Speaker 1: win games, it's not gonna be, it's not gonna be
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  Speaker 1: continue to be as tough as it's been, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So then we get back to the whole Patricia thing,
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  Speaker 1: which everybody that's the narrative this week, you know it
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  Speaker 1: seemed apparent to everybody except me, because I said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're ahead, if you if you rose to the
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  Speaker 1: level of a head coach of this league, it says something,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And I thought it would be okay with
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  Speaker 1: Judge and Patricia. I'd love to make fun of you,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I can't. But so far I've been wrong.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I can admit it, but far, but games
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  Speaker 1: like like if he stuck with him, maybe Patricia would
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  Speaker 1: improve it. Maybe next year he'd be better. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but let's just say that I am wrong and it
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  Speaker 1: hasn't worked out, and it's not going to work out.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like everybody except me saw this coming. They
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  Speaker 1: saw this train coming down the track except for Bill, right,
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  Speaker 1: And there's no way that everybody is smarter about football
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  Speaker 1: than Bill. So he knew. He had to have known
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  Speaker 1: it was a risk. And if it was, just like
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  Speaker 1: I said at the beginning, just a placeholder for Patricia,
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  Speaker 1: to me, it makes a little bit more sense. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so this is where I was. You know, we kind
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  Speaker 1: of talked about this a little bit yesterday. We never
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  Speaker 1: really delved deeply into it. But I do feel like
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  Speaker 1: where Bill maybe misread it, is I feel like Bill
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  Speaker 1: felt when he set it up this way, that you're theory,
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  Speaker 1: like Matt Patrici is a good football coach, he can
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  Speaker 1: figure this out now. I think there are some intricacies
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  Speaker 1: that he sort of overlooked to the art of play
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  Speaker 1: calling without the experience of having ever done it and
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  Speaker 1: things like that, But that's less important to me. I
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  Speaker 1: think what he overlooked was we were all, as you said,
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  Speaker 1: we were all like, this isn't gonna work right. It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was March, it was April, May, it was June,
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  Speaker 1: and that was the topic of conversation everywhere. It was
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  Speaker 1: my station EEI you know here, that's all we all
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  Speaker 1: talked about. But what Bill I think overlooked is he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't care what we're talking about. But I think Bill
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  Speaker 1: overlook the fact that that's where his players were talking.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that they bought in. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they bought in from the start. It started
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  Speaker 1: with Mac And this is where I, you know, people
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  Speaker 1: you know, sort of give me a little blowback because
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been a huge Max supporter, and I haven't
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  Speaker 1: been from the side. I feel like he's out. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he's a stiff. I've said that a million times.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I think there are guys that that are
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  Speaker 1: worse than him. I think he's he's average. But where
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  Speaker 1: I give him a lot of the blame for this
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  Speaker 1: that I don't really see any blame being assigned to
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  Speaker 1: him really is. I think that as the leader of
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  Speaker 1: the offense, if you don't embrace it, the other guys
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  Speaker 1: aren't going to follow, right, So when people say so,
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  Speaker 1: are people lying or were people exaggerating when they say that,
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  Speaker 1: they look no, the opposite. I think the Jacoby Myers
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  Speaker 1: and the Kendrick Bowens of the world and the Hunter
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  Speaker 1: Henry's of the world, they do like Mac yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: they do feel like it started back in this bring.
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  Speaker 1: They saddled him with defensive coaches and they didn't support him,
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  Speaker 1: and it just got worse as things unfolded during the season,
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  Speaker 1: culminating on the Monday night game when you get you know,
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  Speaker 1: like they're calling for Zappi and they're bullying him. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's where he even played. That's a good point. These
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  Speaker 1: guys are grown men in the locker room who have
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  Speaker 1: achieved a lot in their career, in the college careers
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  Speaker 1: and even if they're young, and if you don't, if
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  Speaker 1: they sense that you don't know what you're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, they tune you out. Yep. And I go
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: back to the Jason mccordy comment. I know, I say
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  Speaker 1: this story a lot. Forgive me for repeating myself, but
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: that Jason mccordy comment on NFL network, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: his new role on that Good Morning Football show. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it was around July or so, I don't
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  Speaker 1: have the the time frame exact, but he said that
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  Speaker 1: if this was in my lock if this was me,
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  Speaker 1: if I was in that locker room, I'd be wondering
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  Speaker 1: what we're doing. You know, I'm paraphrase. His twin is
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: literally in the lock and his twin brother is in
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  Speaker 1: the locker room. I said to you guys at that time,
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: that's that's might as well be Devin saying it. This
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: is there's uncertainty going on. We heard things about Macket,
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  Speaker 1: some of the charity things that he appeared at in
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  Speaker 1: the summer that you know, he let it be known
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  Speaker 1: that he was a little confused as to what the
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  Speaker 1: direction of the offense was going to be, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with what they were doing. I'm not telling you they're wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't think mac Jones was wrong to take
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  Speaker 1: a step back, you know, heading into a second season
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  Speaker 1: and say, what are we doing putting a defensive coordinator
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  Speaker 1: in charge? But it's one thing to question, it's another
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  Speaker 1: thing to completely ignore. And I feel like they just
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  Speaker 1: never gave it a chance. Yeah, they never gave it
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  Speaker 1: a chance. Yeah. So it's it's interesting stuff. Now. One
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  Speaker 1: of your guys, Deuce, was on the radio this morning,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Daniels, and he was talking about this very subject
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  Speaker 1: and he, you know, he was saying that, you know,
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: ever since he's covered the team, he's never seen as
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: many guys, both on and off the record, be complaining
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  Speaker 1: about I think that's a great point that Mark makes
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  Speaker 1: because but I can never remember it. But then you know,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: he he you know, talked about what they're saying, and
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: all the stuff that he talked about were stuff that
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: we knew, stuff that has been on the record. He
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: didn't talk about stuff off the record yet. And I
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: really hope that like when this stuff does come out,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: like people like Mark days, you know, as I knew,
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  Speaker 1: like if you know it, like you don't have to
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  Speaker 1: say who said it. Yeah, But like tricky Capital j journalism.
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  Speaker 1: You mean to kind of navigate the water. Yeah, it's
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: also a weird element this year were being back in
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  Speaker 1: the locker room. He didn't really get this stuff. The
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: last couple of years he didn't get well. He mentioned that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't have the locker room to say
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  Speaker 1: that they would have been happy there. Um. One thing
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking though of while you're talking, and I know, Bill,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: this week too late make wholesale changes. Um, but we've
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: been kind of seeing the same thing for multiple months, right, Like,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: do you think that Max's injury kind of bought them
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: more time? I'm to stick with what wasn't working instead
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: of you know, had Mac been healthy through the all
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: of September into October and it continued to well here's
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: what I'll push back there. I think the opposite. Yeah, ahead, Freddie,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: when he got hurt, they didn't do they didn't keep
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: doing it. They changed it. And then when he came back.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: So this is great. I have some stuff. I have
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: something I brought. I brought some you got highlights and everything.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I brought some prep work. So one of the things
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: that I thought was really interesting. Yesterday we touched on it.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: We didn't really again, didn't get into it too deep.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Was the Phil Perry exchange with Bill Belichick toward the
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: end of the press conference. It was, you know, Phil
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: asked him about the comments that he made on Monday
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: on w EI when he was asked, point blank, you know,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: can change just be made to the offense, you know,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: more or less? And he said that this at this point,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: you know, he used phrases like at this point, it's
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: too late, like you know, things like that, and and
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: the basis of it was that he he well Von
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Miller off for the year after undergoing ACL surgery, so
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: he went from missing one game to the rest of
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: the season. Um. He talked about it basically being, uh,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: you know, thirteen games into the thirteen weeks into the season,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you can't just sort of you know, And and he
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: was asked and Phil asked him some follow ups yesterday,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and I thought there was one, uh, one one toward
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: the end where he talked very specifically about UM trying
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: to find the exact one. Okay. They went back and
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: forth a little bit and and Phil got to the
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: point where he was like, okay, so what is this
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: He asked, you know, in twenty and eighteen. They sort
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: of changed the offense towards the end of the year,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: accentuating the things that they did, leaning into the strength right,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and he said, well, we do that all the time.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Bill said, you know, okay, so how would you consider this,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: like what would you have to do? And he and
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: he talked about you know, Bill says, so whether that's
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: going conservative, not conservative, the same, different, whatever it is,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that's what the intent of it all is. That's what
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: it always is. So that's not going to change what
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: they'll be, I don't know changes. What they'll be is
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the changes, but it's a combination of what they do,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: what we do, what we think we can do well.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Any idea that any idea can be a bad idea
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: if you can't execute it. So if you can execute it,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: then it's potentially a good idea. If you can't do it,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: then it's not going to work. If your team physically
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: can't do whatever it is you're trying to do for
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, then it's probably not a good idea. Find
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: something that you think you can do and that's a
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: good way to attack your opponent, then probably it's going
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: to be worth talking about. I thought this was really
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: interesting and it was toward the end of several different questions.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: It was like it was a fourth question back and
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: forth with Phil. And it was not confrontational at all.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: By the way, it was very good conversation between Phil
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and Bill at the end of the press conference yesterday.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: What I think he's telling you there is you guys,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: can you know? And this is as much directed at
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: mac Jones from last Thursday night as anything else. You
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: guys can like call for a more aggressive approach. We
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: can go downfield, we can do this, we can do that.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: If you can't execute it right, it doesn't make a
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: lot of sense. Okay, here's mac Jones's forgive me, I
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: don't have the acronym down and Evan's not here. What's
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: adot average depth of targets? Okay, I mean I knew
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: what it was based on the content, you know, on
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the context of the numbers, but I just want to
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: make sure I'm not giving you the wrong terms. So
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: mac Jones's average depth of target before the ankle injury
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: was third in the NFL at ten point four yards
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: per attempt. Since the ankle injury, it's twenty ninth in
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the NFL at six point zero Jones has improved from
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: five to one touchdown to interception ratio in the last
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: four games in a ninety seven passer rating. Both our
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: improvements over the two to five touchdown interception ratio within
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: seventy six point two rating that he had in the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: first three weeks. So all of this, this smash is
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: telling me that they don't think they can run the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: offense that they tried to start the season with or
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: that wants to run, and that's why they've gone conservative. Yeah,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: because now at the same time, I'll give you yeah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and I've got an answer to this. No, my opinion, Yeah,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I'm tired to what Max said on the sideline. My
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: thing is go ahead, go ahead. I'm gonna get the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: next part of this. And we talked about this early
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: in the season. You gotta let this guy make mistakes,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: you know, like they're so afraid of him making mistakes.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And he played in a box last year. It worked,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: It didn't make a ton of mistakes for a rookie,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and they had a tenant seven record, got to the playoffs.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: But at some point a quarterback in this league has
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to know his limits, has to be allowed to like
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: make mistakes and they're just so afraid to let that happen.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: So you think they put the governor back on. I
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: think they put the governor back on. Think they put
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the governor back with Fred and no? Okay, So here's
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: now after all those numbers and you can see the
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: improvement on paper. Yeah, but so but this is what
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: he's telling. But but this is what the numbers. But
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: if you break up New England season to this point
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: into halves, this is Phil Perry writing now, not Bill's quotes.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Including two stops from from Zappi. The team's number of
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: offensive touchdowns yards per game, third down conversion percentage, and
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: red zone success rate are all down in their last
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: six games. So you are protecting the football, yes, great, great,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: not moving the ball, and you're not scoring points, which
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: are the two things that Bill Belichick requires out of
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: his offense. Ye okay, So here's where I kind of
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: get a little bit like I just I have like
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: palms raised on what it's going to take. So at
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the end, field kind of surmises Belichick, using the phrase
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: quote physically can't do might be the difference to what
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: this team has been dealing with on the might be
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a reference to what this team has been dealing with
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Having more aggressive attack usually requires downfield,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: you know, takes a little bit and generally speaking, a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: little bit more sustained blocks. So he writes, perhaps personnel
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: issues like issues on the offensive line leading to the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: team's offensive philies. Perhaps it's coaching. In all likelihood, it's both.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: That may not lead too much in the way of
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: hope for the Patriots offense moving forward, but it in
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Belichick has said changes aren't imminent in order to achieve
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that satisfactory level. But what doesn't he add in there
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: as a possible reason mac Jones in his ability to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: protect the ball while being more aggressive, like that's not
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: part of this. Yeah, And I just think that he
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: continues to scate because of the coaching situation. I think
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting, Paul, because it's such a conversation
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: we talked about philosophically of them needing to push the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: ball down the field more, and that's what we kind
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: of took away from early in camp, which just like, God,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: this is all they're doing, just chucking it down the field.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: And then you know, during the middle part of the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: season where it was getting frustrated, or starting to get
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: frustrated here, everyone's like, can we just go back to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a mac tidwell, you know, and then which led to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the zappy came in and Fred is absolutely right. The
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: governor went on, they had success, and can't they just
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: do that? Yeah, and now we've done that and they
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: don't have success. You're not turning the ball over, but
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you're not. And I mean, I love the stats that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you brought up about because that's what it's about. It's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: about third down, it's about red zone, it's about points.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I mean those And Bill looks at it and says,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: if I can get a quarterback who doesn't turn the
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: ball over in four games, I'll have a chance to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: win those games. Now I would counter with saying, yes,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is Sam Ellinger is the other team's quarterback, you'll have
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: a chance to win that game. Right, Zach Wilson's the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: other team's quarterback, you'll have a chance. I don't think
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: they had any chance of beating the Buffalo Bills the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: other night playing offense the way they played. You know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and you go back to the first game of the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: season against the Dolphins, and you know that that initial
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: drive where they go right down the field and Mac
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: throws the interception in the end zone to part intended
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to Parker. You know, I'm perfectly fine blaming that on Mac.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: You know, he didn't put it high enough. Whatever, Try
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: it again, but it's like, up, we can't do that again.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: We can't throw it into the end zone. Well, they
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: try to begin the next weekend. We're rewarded with it
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: when Agalore made a great catch. Well, now I don't
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: want to live off of that. Yeah, but there's by
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: balance that you can't find. And that's why and like
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I see, and that's you get to Max. Max's frustration
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: on the sideline and this short stuff isn't working like
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and that's what I think that they probably need to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: try to figure out here in these next few games,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: is how do we get established a confidence level with
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Mac with the short stuff, with his you know, with
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the governor on but by still being able to use
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: play action and shots down the field and and have
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: more aggression than But I think in this league, a
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: quarterback needs to create his own governor. He needs to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: figure out his own went to throttle up, throttle down,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: because he has to understand what he can and can't do.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And if you don't let him do it, experience it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: He's never gonna learn. Yeah, I agree with you that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I just think it's it's it's a painful process in
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: this league to be a quarterback from from a rookie,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: but you have to go through that, you have to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: go through it. Yeah. It makes me wonder what Mac
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: would say, truthfully, you know, what did you learn from
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: those early games where you were turning the ball over
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a ton? You're making bad decisions? I mean, and that's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: like it's not even just like the interception itself. It
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: was a lot of those was just the decision of like,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you can't throw that ball, you know, right? So has
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: he taken stuff from that? And and you know, I
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: mean this conversation is kind of like making me perk
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: up a little bit of like, all right, what could
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: they could they maybe find a middle ground? Like I mean,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's got a lot at this
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: point that that's going to be the key for next
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: year is to figure out where they can settle into
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: because bombs away is not they're not suited for that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: But you can't win doing it the way they did
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Thursday night either, So they're gonna have to figure out.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I agree with Fred that's a big part of a
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: quarterback's development is figuring out when and how those kinds
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: of chances can be made. You know, you and I
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: disagreed a little bit. Freddie on the postgame show. I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: felt one of the when when Mac I think I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: might be having my time off on this Again. I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: thought Matt's frustration came on that possession in the fourth
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: quarter when it was third and fourteen something like that,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and they threw a little They threw a pass that
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: traveled two yards to Jakobe myers Um and he got
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: like five set up like a fourth and seven or
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: something like that. Again, I don't have the exact totals now,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: but they were on the Bill's side of the field
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: fourth and seven ish, and they punted, and I think
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Bill wanted I mean, I think Mac wanted to go
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: for it. I think that's when he went to the sideline.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And you know, in other words, if we're not going
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to go for it on third and fourteen, if it's
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: not two downs, then we can't run a shallow cross, right,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you have to go for the stick, you know. I
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: think that that's was part of his problem with that
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: that's the talk of the same stuff on Like like
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Fred said that, like the whole the whole thing this
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: week has been all about the offense and the coaching
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: in Patricia and all that. So like, yeah, I mean,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: sometimes you just gotta play the hits. This is what
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: we're talking about. But I think that's what Mac was
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: upset about, and Fred, you and I disagreed. I thought
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Bill kind of coach that game the other night to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: keep it, you know, reasonably close, and didn't coach it
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to win. Yeah, Like I think he felt like, well,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: if I go for it here, I'm gonna give the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: ball at midfield, it's gonna be thirty one man. You
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: know it's gonna be thirty one to seven. And you
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: know if if I throw the ball down the field
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and I turned the ball over, it's it's it. We're
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: gonna get embarrassed on national time. Like I would argue, like,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: what's the difference between losing twenty four to seven or
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: twenty four to ten ultimately, which I thought kicking the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: field goal was ridiculous too, But twenty four to ten
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and you know, thirty four to ten, well, who cares?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know we kind of laugh at like
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: when people say this, but any credence to the idea
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: that they're gonna play them again and that game might
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: be more meaningful than this game possibly, you know, so
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you you do certain things. I don't know, I know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And I almost asked Bill about that once. I was
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: just and I talked myself out of it because I
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: felt like I wouldn't get anything interesting of do you
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: ever hold back or do you ever play a game
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: with an eye twitter? I mean, I'm sure he would
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: have been like, no, we just played that. We put
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: everything into this one game and that's it, you know.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: But but I do wonder, with all the advanced scouting
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and everything that they do, if if there is some
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: element of you know, just thinking ahead and or you know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: at these running plays that you're going to counter off
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of in the next game, not like, oh, we're gonna
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: do anything crazy to surprise them and overre not gonna
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: play our best player in this And what did Evan
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: say yesterday? I thought I thought he made a comment
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: about the they their offensive game plan seem predicated on
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: breaking tackles because the Bills. The Bills defense had missed
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: a fair share of tackles when there this year and
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: he and he was like, and Evan counter by saying,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, when they were missing you know, at
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: times eight of their eleven starters on defense. Yeah, you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: they played some games really with a very low amount
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of starters on defense and they had most of those
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: guys back. Yeah the other day, that would be that
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: would be disheartening. I mean, it just sounds like a
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you know, a blogger coming up with the game plan
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: for the team off like, well, it says here that
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: they've missed a lot of times, we're gonna go try
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: to make I mean, that's not a bad thing. If
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: they're not good at tackling, then put them in a
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: position to have to make one on one tackles. I
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: don't know what would the plan of been if von
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Miller was in there, Like, I mean, then when you're
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: even more hampered of like how throw the ball down
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the field and sustained blocks all that stuff. It's uh,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of this does tie
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: into the offensive line is everything. There are multiple issues
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: going on, but yeah, you know, so much of the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: offense of doing what you want to do. I mean,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: just listening to Little Plug Paul's great new Paths from
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the Past with Logan Mankins, it was outstanding. Um, you know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: he just comes with a quote of, you know, talking
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: about the Super Bowl forty two. Yeah, you know, the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: offensive line as we didn't play that well. Very often,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: when the offensive line doesn't play well, you're not gonna win.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: You know what. I really liked about that line. He said,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: we didn't play well. And then he immediately stopped and
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: he said, I didn't play well. Right, that's right. I
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: don't want to Hi, it's bad I did it. It
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: was twenty eleven, the year he played on the on
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the torn acl Was that was that the year? I
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: think I don't remember. I think it was. Yeah, yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: but they kicked him out the tackle when they had
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: too when he played just as well a tackle. Yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: It was about that too. A little little side, I mean,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: it's a pump paulse and Matt's tires a little bit.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: But it was one of my favorite episodes. He's just
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: such a likable guy. Saw spoken and we all know
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: how he was on the field, and um, you know,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: you never heard much from Logan Mankins while he was here.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: He just kind of showed up and played his ass
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: off and he was the offensive version of Gilmore. Yeah,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I said a lot, but he said it really quietly.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: People didn't realize he was saying. So. My favorite moment
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: with Mankins on the field is in Denver. We're getting
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: we're getting beat and he's having a hard time and
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: he's on his knees in front of the defensive lineman
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: plays over. This is after the whistle and he's on
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: two knees and he just rears back and punches the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: guy in the nuts. I mean, I did punch the guy.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Didn't ask him about that, you know, I do remember
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: it though. I'll never forget that. It was like he
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: didn't care. He just he just rear back and punched
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the guy in the nuts. The great stories probably be
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: ready with him and matt Light getting ready to take
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: on Channing Crowder or you know, just I mean, it's
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: just you love those guys. I mean, they were just
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: such a THEO was that the bearded band of brothers
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: like that. They were every year and um, it's a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: great group. It was. It was. Yeah, good check it out.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I just wrote up a thing on it too. It
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: passed from the past. We'll do a clip. I was
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: talking to Mattie about it tomorrow. So yeah, I mean
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: we talked about it on our staff meeting yesterday. Those
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: are going to have increased importance as we get it
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: further away from the dynasty. Yeah, you know, to kind
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: of capture all the thoughts of those players that were
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: involved in that. You know, I just as the fan
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: in me, and I mean I've said this before, but
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: what I always just love about those kind of things
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: is you know, you watched the game as a fan
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and unfolds and you know they win or lose, and
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: you're elated or you're you're really upset, but you never
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: really you know, feel connection to the team as far
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: as that you know, they come in, well, we gotta
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: go back to the drawing board, you know. But to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: hear the players like to hear Logan, they get to
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: talk about the six AFC Championship and be like, I
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: don't know how we lost that game. You know, I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. I'm saying, you know what else he said,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: we'd have won that, Yeah he did. I couldn't believe it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: He's like, I mean, we obviously would have won that
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl against Chicago and it's the only one I
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: could not But it was. It's just cool when you
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: hear those guys and you hear they were, you know,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: experiencing the same emotions that you were. We were making
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: travel plans at halftime, and I mean when at ran
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: that interstelling back, yeah, it was like and then it
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: just collapsed. I remember there was a couple there were
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a couple of guys there. Um you know that you
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: know one one in particular. I used to work with
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: The Herald, this guy named Jerry Sparr who had kind
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: of like what Greg Bernard does now, like his own website,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and he was like making arrangements and he had a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: books on then and then like this is all at
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: half time because you knew the prices, you knew the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: prices were gonna skyride. And he was like, I just
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: wasted so much more. He's like so mad after they
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: lost Evans here and to pic in the same building
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: as me. He's back from Bill. So tell us what
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick had to say today. It was an interesting
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: press conference because it was normal press conference. And then
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Andrew Calhan from The Herald came in and tried to
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: hold his feet to the fire a little bit about
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the offensive coaching staff and the play calling and things
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: like that. So it was it was mostly normal, right,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: like you know, normal press conference, asking about different players,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: asking about guys that are on ir He did mention
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that Christian Barmore still undecided whether or not he's going
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to come out out West with the team or not
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: he because he will be eligible to play in the
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Raiders game technically, so if he travels or doesn't travel,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: is going to dictate whether or not he's gonna be
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: out there for practice most likely, So still undecided on that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: The question about the play calling was essentially, you said
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: yesterday you feel good about the system. What about it
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: do you feel good about? You know, what is it
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: that you feel good about? Exactly? And he Belichick of
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: course corrected a little bit, I think from a response
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that he gave yesterday and said, look, you know, we
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: can do everything better. I'm not saying that we can't
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: be better in that aspect of offense. But he continues
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to harp on consistency and execution. Let's just do what
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: we're doing better versus trying to reinvent the wheel in
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: week thirteen and change it up on the fly. Yeah,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, there is something to be said about like,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know, let's see if we can do this right first,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: because we're making mistakes. So let's what happens if we,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you know, minimize the mistakes before we start making wholesale changes.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I get that, you know, and I get his point about, look,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: they're not going to go to the veer offense. But
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I think I don't know if I haven't said this
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: on the yesterday, but he's like play callers get changed
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: all the time in the NFL. Like it's not like
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: like you don't have to change the whole offense. You
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: could just you know, make it, make a simple change
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: like that. Um, but how many how many times though
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: when you see those things happen? Is it just scapegoating? Yeah?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean I tell you it's the right
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: move every time. I remember Frank. But I think the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: point Mike is trying to make is it happens all
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. But like Frank Reich with that with
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like their offensive corners fired like a week before and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: then he got fired. Yeah. Well, coaches you know, take
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: play calling duties, they give away you know, it's like
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: it happens all the time. That I said yesterday, The
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Green Bay Special teams coach, they were terrible on special teams.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: He got fired, they brought in a new guy. Didn't
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss lose play calling duties at one point or
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: didn't something happened with him happen I'm aware of, Yeah,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: but you know it does happen a lot. But I
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: also just think that what difference does it really make?
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Like I just I think that like the way that
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: they do it, Like if you had another play caller
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: in there right now, he's just gonna be calling the
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: same places that Matt Patricia's basically calling. Well, Like I
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: don't know how much wiggle room this play caller really
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: has to, Like I just I picture them all in
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: a room doing it together, and regardless of who's the
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: guy in the iramac they need a new setup, like
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: they need like this is the stuff that Evan's been
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: harping on all Like they don't really have a good
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: plan all the time. They don't have great design all
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the time. So it's just where do you go from there?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: They don't have a good to me is they don't
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: have a good foundation, Like what do they do well
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and what is their identity as an offense where they
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: can fall back on it and say this is what
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do to get down the field. To me,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I think there's a couple things. One, the Broncos just
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: changed their play caller, Nathaniel Hackett handed it over to
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: a Clint Kobi act their pass game coordinator. Week obviously
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: didn't work out very well for their offense last week,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: but it just happened in Denver, so it's not like
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: this is like completely foreign to happen in the NFL.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I think the other thing is, once we get down
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the stretch here a little bit, and let's say they
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: are out of the playoffs, it would be nice to
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: know if Nick Kayley can do it right, because you
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: have to go into next season. It's kind of like
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty when they insisted on playing Cam Newton
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: down the stretch and we never figured out what they
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: had in Jared Stidham because they wanted to stick with Cam. Well,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: if you're stick with Matt Patricia in the final two
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: weeks of the year when you're mathematically eliminated from the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: playoffs and you're not really learning about the other coaches
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: on the staff. And the third thing I would say
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: is just they last week they came out with a
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: game plan of this quick game, get the ball out
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: of max hands, get it to the skill players, try
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to create yards after the catch, and then next week
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: they'll come out with a completely different plan. And when
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: they had Brady, when they had Josh McDaniels, when they
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: had a good solid foundation, I think you could do that,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: or you can change a week to week and be
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: a game plan offense and do what's best against a
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: particular defense. Now I just want to see them execute
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: ten plays well, like can you what can you execute well?
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And can you execute a group of plays consistently weekend
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and week out. I think we get lost sometimes in
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: this game plan offense, game plan defense minutia where they're
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: trying to reinvent the wheel during the week a little bit,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: and it's like, but that's not what you do well
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: or what do you do to the point I I mean,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it too, and it made me
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: wonder if you know, even the with Josh, there was
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: always like a basis, and I wonder if at this
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: point they were just like, well, we don't We're just
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: game plan we're doing We're changing up every why do
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: we even need the basis, you know, like that it
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: feels like they threw that out. They threw the baby
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: out with the bath water soda speak with some I
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean it's it's and I don't think
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: you can ignore the fact that when even if you
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: have a good plan, like let's say Minnesota, like they
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: came out, they ran pretty good offense that night, but
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: then when it's time to adjust in time to like
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: get into it, like you have guys like you say,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: like you know Josh always had like a baselet well
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: they they had those hours in years and you know,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: hundreds of games to fall back on. Oh yeah, you
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: know might work here. They're gonna do this. They adjusted
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to this. We're gonna do what we did back in uh,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you know the last time we played Minnesota and like
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: that that you know, whatever game. And I don't know
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: if they have that catalog to fall back on their
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: defensive guys and it goes it goes back. I think
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: never done it. To what Fred said, And I'm not
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: saying that that, you know, but there needs to be
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: some kind of a little bit of leeway with a
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: new play caller. And I'm not saying this to be
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: like Matt Patrician. We need to give him time. Like
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: and you know, before this show, I was talking about
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: if they just promoted Nick Kaylee and it looked the
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: same as it does right now, you know, would everybody'd
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: be killing Kaylee like they killed Patricia Um. But you know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I just that that's where I live of, Like, all right,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: how much leeway do you give any new offensive coordinator
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: or play caller at the beginning? What was it like
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: for Josh in two thousand and five? You know, what
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: was How does he go from becoming you know, the
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: guy in two thousand and five after Charlie left to
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: designing the two thousand and seven offense, and you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: putting Randy Moss and Wes Welker in such position to
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: have dominant seasons, You know, I'd love to think that
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Nick Kayley could develop into that guy. I just I
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. Everybody talks about Nick Kayley
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: like he's the great White Knight um to save us,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know anything about Nick Kiley,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: like at least be right, But I mean, I mean
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I would say, what did Josh? I mean that was
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: like Josh mcknell's eighth year in the offense. Well, but
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I mean fourth, I mean he got what two thousand, No,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: but I would say that certainly when he came in,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: he was eighted greatly by Tom Brady's presence, Like anybody
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: would argue against that, and these guys don't have that luxury.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I just think some of their their concepts against Minnesota
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: that they were running from the shotgun that we're working,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: those are I think are things that we've seen for
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: two years now work. And not to excuse the play calling,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: but their offensive line it's not gonna it wasn't holding
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: up last week to run those plays. And that's really
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: been a big thing. I think that you know, you
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: want to get into what's actually going on on the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: field and the personnel and not so much about the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: play callers. That's happening is that they have just been
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you know, Belichick said it yesterday. The availability has been
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: inconsistent on the offensive line. David Andrews coming in and
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: out of the lineup, Trent Brown coming in and out
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: of the facility because he's got this illness, you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: right tackle. They're on their fourth right tackle now with
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Connor McDermott. Cole Strange has been on the rookie seesaw
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: right where he's up and down with his play. Really
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the only guy that's been in the same spot that's
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Ben solid as Mike on WINU and I think that's
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: why they don't want to move him around, is because
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: he's like the one thing that they have right. So
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: in some respects, you have to look at it and
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: look at the play to play execution a little bit too,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and say, well, okay, against Minnesota, when they didn't have
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the pass rush that a Buffalo has, or that a
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Jets team has or a Colt's team has, they're able
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: to block some of these downfield passing concepts. And then
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: they get into the Buffalo game and every time they
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: try to drop back past it's a disaster up front.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on with the offensive line too.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: But I just I think that the foundational elements of
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: this offense is a where they lack it. You mentioned
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: McDaniels foundation. McDaniel's foundation was power eye Like his foundation
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: was under center, full back in the backfield. You know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: we're going to be a power run team. We're gonna
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: play action off the power run like that was always
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: what they could fall back on on first and second down,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: which is really when your foundational elements come out. Third
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: down is sort of the game plan stuff, that's sort
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: of your passing game stuff. First and second down is
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: what you are identity wise as an offense, and they
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: just don't have that identity anymore. I want to, I
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: want to. I want to dig a little deeper on
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: this Nick Kiley thing because I just looked it up,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: and I guess what's not sitting with me is that
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: how long Matt Patricia been annoying? How long has he
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: coached in the NFL? Twenty plus years? He's been a
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: head coach, right, Nick Keilles coach seven years of tight ends? Here,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: he was ten year coach in college on the defensive
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: side of the ball. So I'm just the next job,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, are saying, I know, But are we saying
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: seven years coaching the tight end group is paramount? Is
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: greater than a twenty year Yeah. And if I would
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: also also coached on the head, you'd give the seven
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: year tight end coach. I would say anybody that's coached
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: offense would have an edge over a guy who's only
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: coached defense for the most part. But he's been but
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I mean he was assistant offensive line coach for a year,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: but a head coach too. That's something that's nothing for me. Nothing.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Would you would you want to hire Bill as your
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator tomorrow? He's been a head coach and the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: most successful one that's ever done it. Yeah, I would.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't probably. I mean this to me, this is
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Bill being the offensive coordinator to a degree, Like this
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: is the offensive he puts out there right like, I
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: thank you. The sample is not very good, if that's
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: like where you want to go at the conversation. I mean,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: he's the greatest head coach in the history. I wouldn't
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: want to hire him to He would not be hiring
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: my list of offensive coordinator candids tomorrow. Yeah, And he's
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the best head coach he's ever done it. I'd hired
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: him to anything. You would hire him to your lawn?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I get it. That might take a while. I'm not
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: saying it to like you know, but I just we
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: get so into like he's never even coached offense before,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: you know, like and and there's certainly validity to that.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to say that there isn't. But
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't think anyone has really
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: mentioned that Nick Kaylee was a ten year coach on
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. But because he's coached
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: tight ends were like, let's just hand him the keys.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: It's got to be better than mat Patricia. Well, people
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: just see. But that last part I would agree with
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the first part, like he would not have been high
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: on my list of candidates to replace Josh McDaniels, but
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: based on what was left, he's would be the highest
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: on the list. It's either you or you, like we've
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: talked about. I think it was before you show, you know.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: You know a lot of people think, oh, well, you know,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Bill wanted to keep Nick. You know, he didn't let
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: him go, but he was the only guy that couldn't
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: go because he was on the contract. And Bill might
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: have been like, Josh, you're not taking everybody, you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: And it might not have been like, oh, I've I've
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: tapped Nick Kayley for anything special. It might have been
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: just frustration, like you're not taking everybody. I need some
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: type of continuity, you know, I gotta keep somebody, you know.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I also, I think he leaves next year. That's I mean,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: that's what I think. Well, I think, you know, you've
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: got a taste of having been offered something and now
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: it's in your head, you know, right right right? Well,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and that's the other one. Am I missing out on
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: by staying here? That's what I pushed back on pre show.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: It was just that I don't get the whole point
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: of we can't promote him because then he'll leave, Like
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: if you don't promote him, he's goes because like you
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: might as well take a shot and and and give
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: the guy a chance. And it was also a message
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: to the other coaches. But here's the other thing. So
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: he was gonna go because Josh probably would have taken him,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Josh who knows him. But is Nick this commodity otherwise?
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: That's my point. I have no idea what Nick Kayley.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Just to tell the whole story here, Tom Pellisera does
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: a list every year of like rising star coaches in
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: the league. Nick Kayley has been on that list for
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: like three straight seasons. Okay, you know so, and that's
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Tom Peli Sara, it's a national reporter. Yeah, you know me,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: all right? So is that based on the eighteen season coach?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I have not. I have no idea what Nick Kaylee
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: is as a coach, right, And I do know of
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the list that I was talking about it. I always
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: laugh at some of the names on it. There's some
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: bad names and there's some good names. Right. A lot
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: of these media guys, they just fashioned themselves as you know, coachmakers,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: you know, kingmakers, you know, guy, I guess I don't
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: know what. No one could deserve that job more than
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: this guy. There's even like it's like, who's who's like
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: to reserve Dolphins wide receiver coach? Right, Dolphins wide receiver
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: coaches Southern hot? He must really hot. Then you find
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: out that his agent is the same as the right
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, those two guys went to the same
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: college and were there together. Oh that's why I don't
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: always take some of those things. And Idsen on the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: list probably too, right, Like every every year, I mean,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Mayo is always on it. And people have always said,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: how did he ascend to a head coaching candidate so fast?
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: And guy, it's a great guy right with the media,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: always has been Oh great relationship. He worked for a
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: private company and they said he was good. You know,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: it's like great relationships with there's so much that goes
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: on behind the scenes that we don't know and we
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: will never know, you know, like we have no idea
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: like what's going on with this coaching staff and the
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: conversations and the factions and who's you know, speaking out
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: and who's not and opinions, and we have no idea. Yeah,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: that's why just the quick, quick little preview Cardinals. I've
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: been watching Hard Knocks. I just flip that on last night.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I plowed through a couple of episodes, and it's always
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: what the Cardinals worked so hard. Yeah, I love that
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But I mean, it's it's funny you
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: said that, because those are the times when you do
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: actually see what's going on behind the scenes of the
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: coaching meetings, and you know, even just to see like
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: the coaching staff, which by the way, it's weird. It's
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: like they're in like an auditorium and and what's his face?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: The coach like sits up on the on this he
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: sits up on the stage. You better you might want
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to know that name it I'm just saying. But he's
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: just like on the stage, and like all the coaches
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: like just kind of are spread out in the in
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the audience of the of the auditorium, and he's just
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: kind of like sitting in a chair up on the stage,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: like dictating to giving a ted talk a little bit.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And that's what it felt like. I totally well, it
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: used to be the offensive line coach until he got
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: caught groping people in Mexico. I haven't gotten to that part.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: It hard, but just so many of the details of
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: coordinating an offense, and I get into all the scheme
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: stuff like why aren't they using a guy like this
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: or why aren't they running this player that play? But
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: it's also just this the details of route spacing, drop
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: back timing, you know, uh, executing handoffs on third and
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: one on the opening drop you know, stuff like that
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: that you just see. It would fundamentals on the offensive line.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Fundamentals on the offensive line. Like you know, we were
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: talking about this earlier, another pre show thing when um,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: you know, evaluating this draft class, because we were talking
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: about this a little bit yesterday. Can I fairly evaluate
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Cold Strange and Taekwon Thornton in the prism of this
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: offense right now? Like, how am I supposed to say that?
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: You know, Cole Strange has not played particularly I would
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: say strange. Yes, Thornton, I just don't know how you
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: can do that, because it's strange getting the coaching that
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: he needs on his technique and on his fundamentals. For
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia, I don't know. I mean maybe maybe not,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: But isn't like alignment only Like, Okay, your technique is
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: one thing and your results are kind of right that
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Like with Thornton, he's not really being given a huge
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: chance to establish himself a role in this offense. So
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I totally get That's why I'm not ready to say, well,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not get another second round receiver bus like no,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: like I'm not ready to do that with Thornton. I'm
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: not gonna go and say, you know, if Dante was
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: still here, would Cole Strange be better? Obviously everybody would
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: be better if Dante was still here, agreed, If Carmen
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Priscilla was still here, would Cole Strange be better? He
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: probably would be better, right, So, like that's just the
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: thing is I have a bad game. You look at
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the tape, and it's good to have a coach to say,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: here's what you did wrong, let's work on yeah, right,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean I also think what Mac was
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: saying too after the game the other night, that he
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: wants to be coached harder. Yeah he does. He's like
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the guy in Da Vinci Code would create a self flagellation.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: That just it does stand out to me that when
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: have you ever heard that come out of this building
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: that they're not coaching the players hard enough. Like that's
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: just intense for Bill Belichick's coaching staff to not be
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: lacing into players when there's errors on the tape and
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: they have to make corrections and things like that. I
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: mean some of the stories that you've heard of Belichick
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: ripping players and team meetings and stuff like that. I
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: mean Julian Edelman goes on TV sometimes and share some
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: of the stories. Edelman, the guy from Foxborough High makes
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: this catch, you know, like things like in front of me,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I can't complain, Yeah I can't. Right, I've heard, like
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: players say and coaches like, if you know, if this
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: organization's structure is like going to school, the Patriots is
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: like getting your PhD. It's like football university. It's like
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: you learn, so you know, like, and that's the opposite
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: of what we just heard from Mac. I want to
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: be coached harder, right, you know, And I think to
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Evans point though, like that's why, like a lot of
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: the players are out of my cross heres right now.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Like I like early in the season, I was kind
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: of like, come on, Mac, you gotta do better, you know.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm just and I still have issues with you know,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: him overall as a player, but I just, you know,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I agree with the larger point of just like I
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: feel like they're being undercut at the start and it's hard.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: It's hard for them to you know, be able to
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: show what they truly are as players when you're not
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: doing what the Patriots traditionally have done and put your
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: players in the best position to succeed. Yeah, we were
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: talking about Hunter Henry a little bit as well, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: he's got an out in his contract after this year.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: They can save ten million bucks on the salary cap
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: if they cut Hunter Henry going into next year. And
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: he's another one of those players too that he has
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: really struggled the block, like really struggled to block all
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: year long. But when you actually watch the assignments that
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: they're giving him, he's blocking a lot of edge rushers,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: like a lot of defensive ends or stand up outside
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: linebackers like Matthew Judon types, and he's being asked to
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: block these guys one on one on these passing plays
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: like he's an offensive tackle, and to degree you have
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: to say, well, how many times do you have to
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: see him fail at it? Right? And you know, if
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: he's out there blocking you know, off ball linebackers and
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: safeties and corners versus blocking you know, Greg Russo coming
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: off the edge, like, it's probably gonna look a whole
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: lot different for a guy like Hunter Henry in the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: blocking game. So it just there's so many things from
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: assignments to game plans to details like that they just
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: don't do well. That's right. It's like a hard decision
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: of like I'm like, I can't, like, I can't cut
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry right now. I can't pound the table for
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: that because I don't know what the heck can do, Like,
• 52:48
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  Speaker 1: he went to the Juggle. I can't believe he's recovered.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: He was down. It's good stuff. He was down, but
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: luckily at a college football Saturday and he was fine.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Oh he's going to Army Navy. So he's he's all
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: excited this week. Oh yeah, wow, good for him. I
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: am planning on going to that next year. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: they're they're sending them. Um, it's the holiday season. You
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: know who's ready? They are. FedEx is ready for the holidays.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: What else are they ready for? I don't know, but
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: they're ready for the holidays and they're getting those packages out.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: You know, Amazon was down today, like the whole website
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: was down. You couldn't place an order. So I placed
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: an order on Amazon yesterday. Yeah, and evidently I had
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: a I had an account that I haven't used in forever,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: goes back to Prebeth. Really, it was back to when
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I lived in my parents. Was that right shipped? My
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: shipping came up. It was my my original effort address
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: A couple of times like I'm gonna have to change,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Oh no, it's going to California on one. Yeah, I'm
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: just I'm not going to say it. We said no personal.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Oh you could take personal shots at me Prebeth and
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: the internet. Oh no, that's a good personal that's a
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: really good persons that's been around since the mid nineties.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Amazon though, Yeah, Amazon, Well, I was trying to do
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: the math in my head, like it was funny because
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: I had um I was living in an apartment in
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: everyt but I had everything shipped to my parents house
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: because there was like a verification phone number and I
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: had to figure it out like the last two you know,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: complete the rest of the phone number, last two digits
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: eight zero, and I'm like, every phone number from your
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: that's not my cell phone. It's not my old cell phone,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: it's not my home phone, it's not my parents house.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: It was my apartment in Everett, the last two numbers.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: So I figured that out and then I went in
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: and did it in like the pre you know when
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: it pre fills. Yeah, it was my original address. Wow,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: they keep that stuff. Then on Amazon. I assume Beth
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: is like a prime member and you Amazon boxes like
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: that's not the last listen, come in like left and right.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: It hasn't been thirty years between Amazon purchases and the
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: plough House skills. Just paul Amazon purchases. Wow, she's got
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: you covered. Yeah. Yeah, she got mad because she goes
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: she didn't pay for shipping, did you? I was like
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: no time. No. I was like, okay, because we don't
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: pay for shipping. All right? The prime members Yeah, what's
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: the prime membership? Now? Like one hundred and fifty? I
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: don't know. Five five passive. I've got to have it now, right,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I have it now? You want to watch football on Thursdays?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Five five past five hundred is the ticket. Hut Line
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: web radio at pagris dot com is the email address.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Let's get to the caller. It was. He tiptoed into it.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: He did, he was he was a little afraid. Don't
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: be afraid. I know they had Amazon back then. He
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: just threw that out there. Yeah, uh all right, computers
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: did they have those? That's what I was thinking. Right,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Let's go to while Elder, North Carolina. That's fact. Yeah,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I like ya argument and like stout
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: and everything, but I still would have offersive guys then
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: defensive a guy and if you trained on under mc Daniels,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it can't be no worse than what
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: it is now. He can't be Yeah, yeah, Nick with Kayley, Yeah,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I would have did it from from the jump. He
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: was the greatest coach and he you know that from
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: the team. I know, I know you want your boy,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: but that's your boys, not it's a specialty. That's not
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: a specialty. So I wouldn't level would have did that.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: So I'm next, y'all question, does everybody thinking that Bill
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: O'Brien gonna come to New England next year trying to
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: be the old team? What if you get a coaching
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: job he's in college or the pros didn't What happened
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: to that idea? Yeah, that's not a good idea. Somebody else, Yeah,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: you're I don't know. I think he stays anyone like
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: who like anyone? I think he stays. Apparently the bars
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: if you've coached seven years offense, you're are guys. No,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: But I think it's a I think the larger point
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  Speaker 1: that I'll take away from Eldred's call is what if
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Bill Bill O'Brien gets a hit grin and you don't
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: have a Belichick Tree offensive coordinator guy to think What
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: do you think he would do if Bill Bill O'Brien
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: is not the the offensive coordinixt year, what do you
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: think he would do? I hope that he would find
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: another offensive coordinator. I think it's mad Patrician. No, I
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: think I think you're right. I think that's what would happen.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: You would fail experiment again. I think you could get
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: another assistant. Oh, I know you, I know, I'm just
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: saying I think that what what happened is that Patricia
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: would still be holding the same position he does now,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: but maybe you get him more experienced assistant, like a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago when they brought a jet fish
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: for example, or somebody like that that that's been around
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: the block, but not necessarily making him the offensive coordinator
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: by a title. But the Bill O'Brien thing, that's the
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: biggest thing to me with the Bill. Everybody just assumes
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: that Bill O'Brien wants to come back, like I am
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: assuming that he would he would come back. But it's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: a great point. I know nothing as to why. I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: don't know if you watch. Isn't his family here at all? Yeah?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: But he might just want to be a head coach
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: somewhere and right or what if the an offensive coordinator
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: job opens up elsewhere in the NFL with a better situation.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: That was step two. If he might just want to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: be a head coach, that might not be my avenue
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: to get there. If his if his goal is to
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: be a head coach again at some level of football,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: then honestly there's no better place than Alabama to that
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: pipeline is is Razor Sharp like you go? Lane Kiffin
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: gets the Old Miss job, Steve Sarkisian gets the job
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: at Texas. You know that that just goes. Didn't Brian
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Dabile do it too before? So every two years that
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: that offensive coordinator, regardless of if he's coaching up Tua
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: and Mac Jones and DeVante Smith and Jalen Waddle, all
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: the talent he adds around him, he still gets a
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: head coaching job. So if he wants a head coaching job,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: then I don't know what coming to New England to
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: be the offensive coordinator here does not That's a that's
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: a lateral movement. But what if he says, you know what,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: I've been a head coach. I don't want to be
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: a head coach. I'm okay with being an OC. Why
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: is he leaving Alabama just to be back in the NFL? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: And maybe he wants to be closer and you might
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: and maybe he has hopes that maybe when Bill leaves,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: like you like Matt Patricia for example, like you know,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: like I'm he goes, I'm sick of getting death threats.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I was getting death threats. Like maybe he's like, I'm
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: never gonna be a head coach again. I don't want it.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I don't want it. You know, we're about shadow shit now.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think he can get it off. But you
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: know that's besides the point. Adam Gaze is a name
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: that I would consider. I would definitely, you know, they're
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: playing them this weekend, and I kind of mentioned it
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: quickly earlier, but I'd be really monitoring the situation in Arizona.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: If Cliff Kingsbury gets fired, I'd have him on a
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: plane tomorrow. But like what about like you know, we
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: talk about the Big twelve, you know, and how they
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: don't play defense there, and like there seems to be
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: like some good offensive minds in that conference, you know,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: like it could be somebody we don't we don't even
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: know about, you know, Yeah, I mean I think the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: question somebody like that. No, my question is just if
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: he would hire somebody he had that like in a
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: big position like this, that has no experience here. That's
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: my that's my question of you know, the Chatochets of
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: the world, the Bill O'Brian's guys that have been here
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: for a long period of time and know how it works.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: I just if he wasn't willing to go outside the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: organization and try something different like the Patricia moved to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: me just signaled a very important thing to him is
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: having somebody that he knows and trusts. Well, that's the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: thing that why I think if it's not Bill O'Brien,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be Matt Patrician. Yeah, because he does. He
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: does like hiring from within, you know, he likes to
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: keep it, you know, all inside, like people who speak
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: the same language. I understand it to a degree. I mean,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: I think now it's been you've been kind of pillaged,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: and the pipelines are are a mess across the board
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: in terms of you know, who's coaching war. But I
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think there's a couple candidates. I just
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: hope it's somebody. I don't know how you can go
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: back into next season unless they explode in these last
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: five games. I don't know how you Yeah, you're failing now,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: I mean go back again. Oh we got one more year,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: run it back in position. Yeah, I think you know. Thanks,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Not not to disagree with Eldric or anybody that says this,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: but just because I agree with Paul that there there's
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: definitely a chance that it is Matt Patricia again next year,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: helping him by building out the rest of the coaching
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: staff around him, getting an actual offensive line coach off
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: his plate and would make it better, and maybe getting
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: a quarterbacks coach he met. Elder mentioned Adam Gaze, who
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: I think if they made him the offensive coordinator, people
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: would also want to pull their hair out based of
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: how it won in New York and at the end
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: in Miami. But he's at least somebody that's coach quarterbacks before,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: has a resume doing it in the NFL, has coached
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, has coached some you know, quarterbacks in Miami
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: and New York, and maybe not always successfully, but at
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: least he has done it in the past. At this level,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: you'd be funny as if they hire like Adam Case
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: and uh, he's the offensive assistant. That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: you know anything, but yeah, yeah, you know, Evan brought
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: up something a little while ago that you know, like
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Bill gets criticized. Um, and you know about the situation
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: they're in now because people said, well, Josh mcdails, he
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna stay forever, and there was no plan. There
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: was no plan, Mike right, there was no plan. And
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: jet Fishes is a name that you throw out there.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that was quote unquote a plan. Yeah, like,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: let's bringing this guy. Yeah, let's bring in this guy,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: make him the quarterbacks coach or haven't worked with the
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: order back at the very least, I don't remember his
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: exact title was. And then maybe you know, two years,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: three years in the system. If Josh leaves, we have
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: a guy that we feel good about. Stupid Arizona. Yeahlar
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Melvin's a tennis he'll he'll be back in Hey. I
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: got a cool question really not about the pages, but
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: about just the NFL in general. Why do like teams
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: or quote unquote sources um leak out information that possible
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: was that if they work intern with a team. I'm
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: trying like, for example, like right before the Giants and
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: that when not the Giant Cowboys saying that Odell Beckham pain.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Why would they leak out and say something that wrong
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: with us with his medical when he's been to other
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: teams and they didn't really put anything out there. What
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: benefit though the sources get from putting information out there
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: like that nationally? I mean it depends on who the sources.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: You know, you look get the source and who you know.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: You look at the information and you say, who benefits
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: from this information? And trying to drum up more interest
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: for the player? I mean it's an agent or you
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: trying to scare off other teams. Yeah, drive down the price. Yeah,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: there are different ways to look at it. It could
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: be an effort to drive down the price. Uh. It
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: could also be an effort in Dallas. Everything is magnified
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: in Dallas, right, I've heard that. Um, maybe Dallas is saying,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: don't blame us when we don't sign that, right, Yeah,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: because he's kind of yeah, it's not there, you know.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: So that's how Dallas could benefit from leaking that information.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, they pulled out all the stops for Odell.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: They got Luca don Chi coming over to him on
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the side up. Did you see that MAVs game, Like god,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: crowd is chanting like the Royals. You know, they got
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Micah Parsons and Travan Diggs taking him on the high rollers,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: you know, suite to the Mavericks game. And then if
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: they don't get him, they say, well, our doctor said
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: was so like the Patriots wouldn't necessarily have to put
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: out pr spin if they talk to somebody and didn't
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: sign him. Dallas kind of does, like Jerry Jones really
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: strongly believes in that, you know, because really there's no
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: one there's no way that Dallas should not sign him, right, Jay,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: it's a native, he's a Native Texan. I believe they
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: are a contender. They have the quarterback in place, they
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: have all the pieces that he wants. He said up
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: multiple times that his dad was a huge Cowboys fan
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: growing up and that's where he wants to be. Ideal
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Kansas City, Buffalo Dallas. Those to me, those are the
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: three that make a lot of sense. He also has
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: been talking with the Giants, I know, and that to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: me doesn't make any sense. Yeah, that wouldn't make that.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: That's the other team that's strongly puss not if you're
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: not catching any passes. He wouldn't catch any passes to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Buffalo for O B J. No offense. That's in Dallas,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: in Texas. That's that's now no good. I sometimes get
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: and guilty Melvin of taking the reports at face value.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Sometimes that happens. I know, I always question everything, but
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: sometimes I take it at face value. I wonder if
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: there's any truth to that and he can't be a
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: part of your offense before say the middle of January,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Like they were talking on ESPN yesterday, how much you're
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: gonna pay him if you're gonna sign him. You got
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: to sign them for next year. You know, you can't
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: just sign them to So maybe you could play in
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: the divisional round. Yeah, God, a player like that in
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: that situation, Oh, because you at least Yeah, I mean
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: there's possibility if if things didn't work out and all
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm not getting offers anywhere and you
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: found out it was the team right hip of violations
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: and whatnot. That stuff is very hard to prove. Yeah,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it be an uphill battle, but you could
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: somebody might try to cross that line at something. All right,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Thanks Melvin, strictly talk Patriots Lars is in Camp Pendleton.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: What's up, Lars? Hurrah been a while, thank you for
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: your service, or it's not. Hooray Matt's coming to choke
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: you out right now. Yeah, it's been a while. Hey,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I think I owe I'm not sorry Elder an apology.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: I think I'm was programmed by Paul's show to not
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: appreciate the wide receiver talent enough. But I've always kind
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: of rolled my eyes when Elder's mobbying for uh faster,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: bigger wide receiver and lasting like decade. But I don't
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: know if it's the Jefferson and Digs back to back
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: and then Hopkins and Adams on the horizon. I guess
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: I just like I haven't bought up a pat that
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I just couldn't call it then, but just that the
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: league has kind of changed with the topping bide receivers,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: and I just think about the way the papers have
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: gone about trying to acquire talent to that position, and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: it's either on the scrappet, you know, like clearance rack,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: or in the draft and it never seems to work.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about the Colm people who changed
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: hands last year, and so I have to question one
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: you know, you do you get think like that top
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: end wide receiver would be worth say two history of
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: the receiver suite have acquired over the last couple of years,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: taking like porn Agalore Parker. Um, So are you saying,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: like would you rather have Jamar Chase or born in Agalore? Yeah?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Is that the question? Like, I mean, like a top
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: end receiver over is that multiple? Yeah? I mean I
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: don't think. I don't even think Fred would say no
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: to that. Fred loves Justin Jefferson. Yeah, right, question. I
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: was going to get other receivers in addition now, but
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about like I guess like the Hollywood Brown,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: A J. Brown, Parker Hill, you know not Parker An Adams,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: you know the guy who change hands for for high
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Craft Capital and are a sign for big money. And
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: I think like if you add up an Angalore and
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: a Parker, they get pretty close to those top twenty
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: receivers the second they've had the second most money in
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: their money. Yeah. Sorry, I thought top production. Yeah, no,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: not production like resource allocations. Are you look there? I looked.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: I did a little show prep. There's three teams that
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: have two top twenty five UH reginable value by receivers,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: and they're all guys you would want any one of them?
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Uh and lock it in that calf Evans and Godwin
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: and uh, let's see it was oh and Williams an
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: alp on the Chargers. Those those guys are both like
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: twenty million plus a year. So my question would you
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: think one of those like why haven't you traded the
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: first round pick and whatever else back that involved and
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: paid someone twenty five million bucks? And he put a
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: bunch of number three behind that guy. And just with
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: me as career respondent, that took a choir here, I
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: don't Yeah, yeah, the only one in that whole list
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: that he d toled off of all those guys that
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: change hands that I wouldn't necessarily be willing to give
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: the twenty plus million in the first round picked for
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: his Hollywood Brown. I mean, all the rest of those
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: guys A J. Brown and you know Digs and Hollywood Brown.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Hopkins is already happening, Hopkins on the roster. So they
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: traded for Hollywood Brown to be their number two. And
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: I'm fine, Like, I think Hollywood Brown's fine player. I
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: just don't put him in that he's not a Yeah,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: he's not one of those elite receivers. He's a good player.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: I mean they've they've tried the last few years to
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: kill Harry first round pick. I mean it's just they're
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: getting the wrong guys, you know. I think that's what
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: it is. And part of it is the overall philosophy
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: of the league has changed, and you need those guys.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: But I still think death is important. I mean, Jamar
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: Chase T. Higgins. I mean, you know, like you need,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: you need good by probably have the best wide receiver
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: corps in football. And it also gets easier maybe miamis, yeah,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: but it also gets easier on those guys when you
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: have that top guy and all the attentions going to them,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: and now they're getting matchups and you know so I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: mean would Agalore or Bourne or Myers or any the
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: guys that they have in the roster now look better
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: with of course, and so they just have to continue
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: to invest in that resource. And I mean the offensive
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: line is certainly a priority this offseason. I would say
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: linebacker is certainly a priority, and I would just say
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: wide receiver continues to be a priority. You're gonna have
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: major turnover there. I have no problem investing multiple draft
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: picks in that I'm terrified a free agency though, but
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: I think twenty twenty one did me wrong. And you know,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: because I don't think there's been I mean, there's been
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of high impact trades, but I'm not sure
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: that it's been the wide receivers. I think you're looking
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: for guys like the Patriots, God like Corey Davis, good player,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: you know. And I think that was a good move
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: for the Jets because it gave them a veteran to
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: go with their young guys. Yeah, you know, and if
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: they could get a quarterback, and you know, I'm not
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: necessarily sold on Mike f and White yet Garrett Wilson is,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: but you know, you get Garrett Wilson, Elijah with a
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: with a veteran, and Corey Davis that can work. But
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: most of those got like Kenny Galladay, he's been well,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: that's why for that giant. So we're talking about this
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: earlier too, pre agency guys that are going to be
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: free agents in twenty twenty four, right, because a lot
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: of these right so that those are the guys that
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: get disgruntled because their negotiations for their new contracts aren't
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: going well. And eventually they ask out right. So a
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: couple of those guys are like te Higgins is going
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: to be a twenty twenty four free agent or scheduled
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: to Jerry Judy is scheduled to be a twenty twenty
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: four free agent. So I don't know if those names
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: necessarily are in the A. J. Brown category, but I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: think the point of has the lead changed? Yeah? Absolutely,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: I mean you pull up the thinks no, And this
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: is I think a big problem about what's going on
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: right now with this team. You pull up the AFC
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: standings right now. I'll just run through them quickly. Buffalo,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Stefon Digs, Kansas City, Travis Kelsey, Baltimore, Mark Andrews, Tennessee
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: somehow does it right? But they had AJ Brown and
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: then they traded away, and then their gym gets fired
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: because he traded AJ Brown, Cincinnati, Jamar Chase, Miami, Tyree
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: kill Jalen Waddle and how the Jets who have Garrett Wilson,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: who is a problem. So every single one of these
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: teams you can point to it. I think with Tennessee
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: you point to the running back and you can say
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: they have a stud weapon, they have a superstar weapon
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: that on Tuesdays when you get into your game plan meetings,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: you have to decide how are we going to defend
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: this guy? Right? And I was doing some early Raiders Preppers,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: reading some of their writers, and they have seen a
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: lot of their run game success. They're third in the
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: league right now, an EPA on the ground and I
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: was looking into why that is that's been and stuff
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: like that. And they've seen more too high safety shells
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: than any team in the league because Davante Adams demands
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: the safety attention. So now all of a sudden they
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: have lighter boxes and now Josh Jacob's got all sorts
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: of room to run great, So it's great. These are
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: the chess matches that it's not just about the production,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: is my point. It's also about what it does, what
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: it allows you to do and right, you know, and
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: something you said I think yesterday, if not it was
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: last week, that really resonates too. Like That's why I asked,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: do you think build thinks that it's changed? And a
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: lot of people do. Remember on the draft shows when
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: they made the aj Brown trade, and you know, we
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: were all like, you know, what, you think the Patriots
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: would ever make it trade? Like that and we all
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: said no, And I think that they would be the opposite.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: And I think I don't know if you said it yesterday,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: but like the Titans move that was so Patriots, Yeah,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: and never made that point about John Robinson taking a
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: page right out of the Patriots playbook. So like to
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: you a point, Mike, keep trying in the draft, keep
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: trying in the draft so they can trade him after
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: the third year when he got When the guy wants
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: to get paid, like Deebo Samuel wanted to get paid,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: they paid him. Terry McLaurin wanted to get paid, they
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: paid him, you know, a J. Brown. They ended up
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: moving him. But like, I'm not sure that I think
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: the Patriots would be in we're going to move him,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: yeah camp, rather than you know they would they would
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: just sit there and say, well, who do we have
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: on our list? Now? I think that Treylon Burke's kid.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: I think he can play. Yeah, I think I think
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: they may have made the best of a bad situation.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: You know. Unfortunately he's been banged up a little bit
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: and seeing an out of the lineup. But I've seen, yeah,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: I've seen something. I've seen some flashes though. Yeah, I
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: liked him, and I just sa, I mean, is it
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: fair to Mac Jones? Will we ever get a true
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: sense of who Mac Jones is if he doesn't get
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: a chance to play with a guy like that? You know,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: I mean it's it's just asking a lot. It's asking
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: a lot for him to to elevate a team. You know.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Bill still thinks if I could get
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: someone this show told me they didn't have any concerns
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: about the offense. I just but it does go back
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: to Fred's thing, because when when the Cardinals and the
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: and uh and Vance Joseph, who's having the time of
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: his life when he uh, when they when they get
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: in on on Monday and they start to turn the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: page to New England and they look at New England's offense.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Who on the Patriot's offense? Are you circling like we
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: gotta take this guy out? That's exactly what we want.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: They have no idea. And that's the argument. They got
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: this depth and they can spread it around and you
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: know you don't take But the problem is is that
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: the one guy that maybe you in the passing game
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: is like Jacoby, because that's just who they target a lot, right,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: so the Jacoby's the guy that you need to take out.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: But if you have a good, good enough corner, you
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily to help to Jacoby, right, Like you know,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Byron Murphy's a solid cover guy and he's not going
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: getting yet. Right, So it's the same thing as last year.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: You know, they put an extra guy in the box.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Now you can't run the football because you're running into
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: seven and eight man boxes all the time. You have
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: nobody on the outside that gives anybody any fear. And
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: you just look at how all these teams that have
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: these number one guys, just how defenses have to change
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: their entire game plan, like we're talking about DeAndre Hopkins,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Like you just have to change the entire game plan,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: your entire strategy to cover that guy, and it opens
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: up things elsewhere. And that's why the Raiders have had
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: so much success running the football. Do you think that
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: they believe that Tykwon Thornton could be a number one
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: think that was part of it is that they think
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: that a role in the whole offense, right, Like, oh,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: he's you know, our take the top off the defense guy,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: and Jacoby is our you know, high volume targets. You know,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: intermediate guy, and that's not that's not game breaking, Like,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: that's not don't want that guy. Yeah, they'd rather have
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: this situation where and they're all pieces of the pub
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: And how many more of these kind of seasons do
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: you need before you I just think you need to
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: be so elite at quarterback to do it that way,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: to like to you guys point like you always say,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: like what would mac Jones be if he had that? Like, well, yeah,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I think most quarterbacks are like that, like they need
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: to have other guys help elevate their game as opposed
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: to Brady elevating everybody around him. Yeah, I mean, you know,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: in that way, at least in theory. I mean I
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: can see, like, you know why you would say, well,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to get a one A, but if
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: we had three or four really good bees, we could
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: probably make it work with a good quarterback. Yeah, I
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: get it. It makes sense. Like I said, I don't
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: think that the Patriots wide receivers stink. I just think
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: they have a bunch of complimentary pieces, and I think
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: it's hard to do it just that way. Like if
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: you if this group would look a lot better, not
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: you know, breaking any news and I think with a
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: stud to put everybody down a pair. And I think
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: has Evan read off those things? I mean tight ends too.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: It's not just like that game breaking wide receiver that
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: you know it's it's it can be a I'm just
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: thinking about the Cardinals a little bit. I know we'll
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: talk about them more probably tomorrow, but like you're talking
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: about the defensive coaches and how they're gonna look at
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, I wonder if, like does Clip Kingsbury look
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: and say, Justin Jefferson, Stefan Diggs, I got one of those.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah I can. I can move the ball and score
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: points in this game. Yeah, you know, like just look
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: at the last couple of weeks and they weren't able
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: to take away the number one. Why would you think
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: they're gonna completely eliminate Hopkins. I just think two in
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: Miami is such a great example of all of this
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: because Tah is not a physical marvel, right, Like he's
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: he's not Josh Allen, He's not Justin Herbert. But what
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: TA is good at or all these like secondary passer
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: traits like anticipation, accuracy. You know, I am manipulation, coverage, manipulation,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: and I think that the guy here is good at
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: those things too. But in order to have an offense
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: that is predicated on those things, it has to be
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: built a certain way, and Miami built it perfectly for
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: to a great play caller. Tyree killed Jalen Waddle and
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: so he's it amplified all those traits of his and
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: it doesn't ask him to playmake outside the pocket or
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: throw sixty yard bombs all the time to create big plays,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: and it allows him to do things that he's good
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: at and amplify those things. And I think on Thursday
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: night when Mac threw that interception that was an interception
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: but they got the call from Jordan Poyer, that was
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: a perfect example of the play broke down. It was
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: a second reaction or extended play. And Hunter Henry does
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: flash open down field for half a beat, but he
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: just doesn't have the arm and the physical tools to
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: throw across his body on the move and beat the
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: safety there with a good throw and it gets intercepted.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: So in order to amplify things that Mac Jones is
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: good at, you have to go with the model like Miami,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: and you have to make those secondary passer traits amplified
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: by having good playmakers around him. Brendan asked a simple
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: question at web radio at Patriots dot Com. He says,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: what would the Patriots record be this year if the
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: team had prime Drew Bledsoe? Will you laugh? I would
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: actually thinking, I think they'd be better. Of course they
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: would be yeah, oh yeah, Drew would hang in there.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: He'd be firing balls down the field. Teon Thorne, probably
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: have like four or five already. Yeah, like he would
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: make that pass you were just talking about, because he's
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: got the arms. They'd be better, There's no question about it. Now,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think they'd be a threat because he would
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: throw too many picks. Well he's not. So then I was,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: I was thinking of that last thing, and then I
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: was thinking, Paul, Paul, if you as if you had
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: to choose, if you had to choose between in the
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Patriots Hall of Fame Bledsoe or Richard Seymour, who who
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: would get in? Only one can get in Seymour? What
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: I would say, Seymour, that's an argument for Drew Bledsoe. See,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: I would say, bled Did I miss it wrong? No,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: I'm I think making fun of me. No, I'm asking
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: is there an argument for Drew Bledsoe. I think in
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: terms in terms of like importance to the franchise and
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. To see you you put far more.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing about being a Hall of
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Fame voter, which Fred and I are. Um, it's you
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: you can have. And Fred is very much um you know,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: fabric of the of the the organization, like his impact
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: on the team, and you know that kind of stuff.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: And I mean you can make it the best player.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: You can make an argument that that Drew Bledsoe is
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: every bit as important as any player you know beyond
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady who's ever played for the team. You could
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: make that arch also argument. But the coin in two
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: thousand and one without Richard Seymour. So no, no, no,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know my answer. I don't know how you answer.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I'm the biggest bred so Bledsoe honk that you could
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: find a sitting in the other room. But I just
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: go I just go by talents, like I just think
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Seymour was a better player. Fred goes by more than
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: just talent. And I think Fred makes a good argue.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: It resonates for me as a kid in the nineties
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: who can specifically remember the day that Drew Bledsoe came,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: became a part of that day. I became a season
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: tended holder, you know, like it was hope, we finally
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: had one of those guys like that. That's the day
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: I jumped on board for us. For some of the
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: you know generations just behind mine, it's two thousand and one.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: That's you know, they that is what got their intention locally.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: But you don't find the tay Law theory that they
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: would have won the Super Bowl on a one but
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: without Richard Withdrew babe. Just but the reason why they
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl No. One was because of Richard
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Seymour than like, you know, well the game, you're talking
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: about the game itself, I'm talking about the season to
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: get there. I don't think they would have gotten to
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: the super Bowl if Drew coach quarterback the whole way.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: I just don't. I just don't know. I don't know.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: I think they would have been Okay, I don't think
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: they would have been a trend to the franchise. How
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: is anything more important than two thousand and one like that,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: that's that's the pinnacle, Like two thousand and one is
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: what got the whole thing started. Yeah, before that, they
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: were they were. We know what they were, so it
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: pretty good. I think we're gonna get nineties. We're gonna
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: get nineties defensive right now. No, but they weren't bad.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: I mean I think it's it was I kind of
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  Speaker 1: I usually hesitate, and I balked at like they wouldn't
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: have you know, like I used to hear people that, like,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, they wouldn't have gotten to the super
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: Bowl and ninety six without Terry Glenn. Like, I mean,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Terry Glenn had a phenomenal rookie season. How do I
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: know they wouldn't have gotten a super Bowl? I don't know.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe someone else would have caught ninety passes. It's funny
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: because when you get to the playoffs, like how many
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: touchdowns that they actually get in the playoffs in two
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: thousand and one, I mean, Drew through one of them,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: Brady through one or two others. I mean there were
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: maybe two. Brady scored one. I'm pretty sure they had
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: the same amount of touchdown passes in the playoffs. And
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: but the touchdown of David Patton and the Super Bowl
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: is an awesome throw. So it was the touchdown play.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: It was the same play that Drew through the exact
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: same play. Well they turned it up before. Yeah, there's
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: actually a great clip. I lost control of my bodily
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: functions on this on that on that four play stretch.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: The Pro Bowl Skills Challenge they like, used to interview
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, and the quarterbacks used to break down their
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: favorite play in their offense. And yeah, I have it
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: to clip somewhere um of Brady breaking down the play
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: that he threw the touchdown to David Patton too. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: that's right, fing forge banana fifty. So it is so
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: the little motion that he goes in they do call
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: it a fing motioning. I don't know if they call
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: it fing motion anymore, because who the heck knows what
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: they call anything now, But that's that's what it was.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: This guy goed that way. Brian and I did a
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: thing when we still had the paper. I I bet
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: you Bryan could rattle it off like verbatim zero slot
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: right three thirty five max based throwback chip flare. Yeah,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: that's of course, but that's of course. Uh L from
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin says, too long of a break between the game
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: and the shows was a rough weekend anyway. I have
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: a few things that like the thoughts on won the
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: field goal at the end of the Vikings game was
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: just embarrassing the Bills game. I think the Bills game.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: The Bills game. Kicking the field goal at the end
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: of the Bills game. I'm gonna say, make guess. So
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: someone said, who is Mack to question the coaches? He
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: hasn't earned it. Now. I'm not a Mac guy by
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: any means, but he does have a year more experience
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: in an NFL offense than the coordinator. Fair point, who
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: is he? Bill said at the start of the season
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: that he should be held accountable. I think he can
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: say that because he knows he won't be You can
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: question all you want, but if there is zero threat
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: to his job, then it doesn't matter. You've all said it.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have to worry about losing his job. In
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: that case, he can do whatever he wants and will
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: not be held accountable. The media asking questions isn't the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: same Agree with that part. And I actually heard someone
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: say something along those lines this morning that it's easy
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: for Bill to say, you put it on me because
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: he knows he's not gonna get fired. He's got six
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Super bowls. He's not going anywhere you don't care. I
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: think I think it was Tom Curran's podcast. I was
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: listening to a little of this morning. I think it
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: came up with him in Florio, your boy Florio, not
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: to defend my fellow media down here, but ask questioning
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Bill about like I get that a little bit of people.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: I think the questions are there, Yeah, people being like,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: why doesn't the media, like you know, come after Bill
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: about this whole thing? And it's like other than like,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: you know, fans and media getting off on the fact
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: that they challenge Bill, you know, at the press conference.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: None of us make decisions around here, like it doesn't
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: actually make a difference whether or not we And that's
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: why I think the email is right. It's that doesn't count, right.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: But I do think that we talked again before you
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: came on EV about the the back and forth with
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Phil Perry and Bill yesterday, and you and I were
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: sitting there, and you know, I didn't think it was confrontational.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: I thought it was just a very professional back and
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: forth and he's asking Phil's asking him more or less
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: why is it like this and why is it too late?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: And why you know, what is the differences between as
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: his example, going in a different direction down the stretch
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: of eighteen to now, and I thought it was good
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: back and forth. I didn't. I didn't necessarily think it
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: was like whoa, he really held his feet to the fire. No,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: it's just good football questions. And I think that you've
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: gotten now. They've won everything for twenty plus years. So
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: as much as I make fun of the media, I'm
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: really only kind of doing it half in jest. This
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: is one of the rare times where there's reasons every
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: week to go in there and ask him tough questions,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: I think, and I think they have. I think they have,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: but but but the emails point is right. The only
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: person that can really hold him accountable is Robert Craft.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Sure you know, um Chris with a tia and and
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: writes in not really. Tom E. Curran said definitively on
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: his podcast that BILLYO was not coming back here to
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: be what he was in twenty eleven, just an offensive coordinator.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: It would require a guarantee that he would have a
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: shot to replace Belichick, the same guarantee that Josh was
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: looking for before he left Vegas. I don't know if
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: either of those are true. It's it's interesting, though because
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: walk me through this. You guys are smarter than me,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: right sometimes about that. So Robert Craft goes to Billy
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: O'Brien and he says, you will have every opportunity to
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: replace Bill Belichick, even when the day comes that Bill
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: hangs him up. This is a good situation. This is
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: what you want. So Bill comes in and he's the
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: offensive Billy O'Brien comes in, he's the offensive coordinator, and
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: he's has this in his mind like you're only hit
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: for another couple or what am I going to listen
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: to you? Fun? I'm gonna set these things up the
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: way I want him because you're gonna be gone soon.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Owner told me that's that's something that makes sense to people. No, again,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: you guys are smarter than me. Tell me how that works.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: It doesn't I mean, does it? And does that come
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: from Robert like I mean like to say, negotiate that
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: kind of thing, because I mean, I guess I kind
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: of feel like it would be Bill hiring coaches, right
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: and reaching out to coaches and discussing what the setup
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: would be. And you know, if anyone were to get
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: one of those weird what are the like assistant head
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: coaches Sometimes like your random guys associate head coach on
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: the side, Like, what does that mean? I don't even
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Dan Campbell in New Orleans before you got the Dante
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: was just like a reliable guy who if things go south,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: you can, you know, have them fill in. Yeah, And
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's impossible that not yet. I also,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: you know, I heard them talking about this on the
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: radio yesterday. I think it's it's actually reasonable one of
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: your shows, one of my shows. Um, if if Bill
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: O'Brien's gonna wait around for Bill Belichick to call him,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: he could be waiting for a long time, like Robert
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: might have to make the call. Like, I just, I
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: just I don't get the I get the reason why
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: everybody wants Bill O'Brien here. I still am trying to
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: figure out why Bill O'Brien would want to be here.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: That's the piece of it that I can't wrap my
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: head around. Because on top of what Paul is saying,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: I would also say that one of the things with
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: Belichick is that he surrounds himself by people that oha
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: gret that gratitude to him, right, like, you know, people
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: that he can that he has a clear hierarchy of
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: control over and everything that you hear about what happened
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: in Houston was that Bill O'Brien wasn't taken anything from
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: anybody down in Houston, And I just I look at
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: that situation and I think for Bill O'Brien and for
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick, that is asking for those two guys
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: to butt heads, right, Like when they get into the
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: point when they get into the draft room in April
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: and and they're they're up on the in the first
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: round and U and Billy O'Brien says to Bill, you
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: know this Addison kid from USC wide receiver can really play,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: Like I think this kid's going to be a great
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: player in the league. And then and then Bill and
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: takes a nose tackle from you know, Kent State, Like
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: these are the these are the types of things that
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: are going to I don't think Bill O'Brien's gonna take that, like, right,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: you know, Bill O'Brien's not that kind of guy. What
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: did Brady used to call him teapot? Right? Yep? So
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: he was it was accurate too, right, So that's not
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: gonna go over Well. There's also just an element of
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: this that, like you had Josh here for X amount
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: of years, then billy O came, Then you got Josh back.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: Now we want to bring billy O back. It's like,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: at some point, can we just break the cycle and
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: start to find something new and maybe build something that
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't like have to connect to somebody who was here.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: Davan's point about what billy O wants um, is it
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: out of the roma possibility that he gets a head
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: coach offer? No, no, I saw bids. You know, Bernard
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: has been kind of tweeting about this. He's he thinks back.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: He said, like you know, he was putting out there
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: like you know, the Purdue job I guess just opened up.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: But you know, would he be intrigued by a head coach,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: by that kind of head coach rom which one which
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: which brom coach Brown which just called him coach coach
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: called good job. He's got tremendous potential. He sorry upside
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: he has upside um. But what if he what if
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers want to hire Bill ob or Arizona
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: or you know whatever. And I don't know, Like I
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: looked at his resume from AFAR. I think this flaws
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: with everybody. Okay, but he took over what I think
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: is probably the worst possible situation you could ever take
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: over at Penn State, and he made Christian Hackenberg look
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: like a legitimate prospect, right, Yeah, no, but I mean
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: it was it wasn't the fluke. He played great that
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: first year, and I didn't play as good in the
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: second year, but he looked really good. Then he goes
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: to Houston and look what's happened in Houston since. And
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just because of Deshaun Watson. You could say, well,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: he had Deshaun Watson. He was great, that they went
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: to the playoffs, that they won a playoff game with
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: like t J. Yates, like they had. He built a
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: good team. Now to Evans point about like the power,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: I think the power was a problem. I think there
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: was all kinds of things going on with what's the
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: guy that Rick Smith was that back then the GM.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: He kind of pushed him out, took over control, made
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: some bad was then you know, little Finger gets in. Yeah,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, though, Pau because it was
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: but a job in Houston was pretty good, I know,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: and he's always been. I'm so glad you said that
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: because I was just thinking that a few minutes ago
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: when we were talking about him, and I'm like, there's
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: this impression that things were a disaster for Billing and
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: what a joke he was. And I'm like, what am
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: I misremembering, because it seems like he drafted a lot
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: of you know, DeAndre Hopkins, this talented guys, JJ Watt,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: talented guys. They were always kind of in the playoffs.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: They were in the playoffs. They were never a threat
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: to go to the super Bowl, but they were always
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: a threat to beat you. Always. They were a little like,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: you know, they were a high to me, a higher
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: end version of what Tennessee has been the last few years. Yeah, Like,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: I think they've been very dangerous, but probably not a
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: super Bowl team like Arian Foster. Yeah, I think he
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: was a good coach now and my biased absolutely really
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: liked the guy. Had a lot of good conversations with him,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: loved running into him at the combined the year that
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: he made fun of me and Andy for finding ways
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: to be negative was one of my favorite moments ever.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: He's like, you know, my my wife, every my whole
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: family is still back doing that. I see these things
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: of you, like, I don't know how you do it. Man,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: we win to Super Bowl every year, and you find
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: a way. And I said to him, I explained to
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: my goal, you have to understand where it starts from.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: These are all issues quote unquote that may or may
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: not allow us to host the AFC Championship games, right Like,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: That's where I'm coming at with my criticism. Not like
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: these guys don't know what they're doing. I don't know
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: how they're even gonna win a game. It's how are
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: we going to host the AFC Championship games so we
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: can win another Super Bowl? And he's like, I guess
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: I could see that. I'm checking out now, coordinated the
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: but he he has rabbit ears. Oh he has rabbit ears,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: absolutely and in a temper right Like, it seems like
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: that's a tough combination. That argument walking with with Brady
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: on the sideline in Washington was legend. Yeah, that's the
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: high top fade Shutter is in Manchester, UK. Whoever you
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: think is the best OC and DC the Patriots have
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: had over the last twenty two years. Cornell, Josh, if
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: you plug them into with this roster, how different do
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: you think the record would be? It's impossible? Yeah, Like
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: that's impossible. I don't know the best Well, all I
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: know is that last year they were ten and seven
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: in the top ten offense with Josh McDaniels as the
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinators. I know if you count Josh as the
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: best one, I don't know if you want to give
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: that to Charlie Weiss or Bill O'Brien, But I know
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: what the product was last year with the better offensive coordinator. Yeah,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: and I would definitely say Romeo Cornell, But I just like,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: how do you know what the impact would be on
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: the same player as playing with a different coordinator? Right?
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: I wrote it at the beginning of the season that
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Bill is the reason I had hoped this team would
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs, but his roster and coaching structure is
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: why I feared this team would be failing. This coaching
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: structure has failed. The sooner it's fixed, the better, But
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: it has to be done with the right pieces, not
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: just the available pencil twiddlers. I have similar fears for
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: the short and long term future of this roster. There
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: is the odd bright spark, but little backbone. Yeah. I
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: just I think for the optics of it all, depending
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: on how the season ends, I'm not expecting any dramatic
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: change in like what they do in these last five
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: games to redefine what we think about the team overall.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: But I just think they for the optics of it.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: You have to do something on offense because people are
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: going to have the pitchforks out and interest is going
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: to be waning, and a way to get people back
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: in is to invest in the offense and bring it,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: bring an established kind of guy in that we can,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe Trumpet a little bit. It's hard for
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: me to see them bringing back Mattie p and it
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: going well in any in any sense of the word.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: Jack and and arbaces John Jeff Braun took the head
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: coaching job at Louisvilleville. Did I say Jeff first? Brian?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Probably Jeff. I don't know that that makes more sense
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: because I wouldn't. I thought he did a decent job
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: at Purdue. They're not overly talented Purdue, and they find
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: a way to win seven eight games every year. Williams
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: and Philam, what's up, Willie? That's going on? Spring? How
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: are you doing good? Okay? Um? Oh yeah, I heard
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: you're a little smart. Common yesterday, Fred and Mike Sometimes
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: the old the cops Uh, hope, thank the cops getting
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: after the Will. That's what he gets. What never keep?
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: Look how you throwing up against When I got the podcast,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: what y'all? I do continue listening. So I'm like, okay,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: I'm listening to God was for y'all. I don't never
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: say anything bad Will. Yeah, I know you don't. I
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: know you know what you want to go The fred
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: don't care France is literally rid. My question is, um,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: I guess y'all were touching on the receivers and whatnot.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, how many times have you seen Bill at
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: the podium talking about Justin Jefferson. Oh he's a problem, Uh,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: DeAndre Howkins, Stefan Diggs, they all problems and whatnot. I mean,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: these are all receivers you could have had. I'm at
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: least one of them, you know, one out of the
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: group of basics. But you didn't. You didn't you didn't
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: want to go get You just refuse to get them
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: for whatever stubborn reason. And the thing about it is,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: it's not your money. At the end of the day,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: that kept my angel. So what you're worried about, it's
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: about cap all. Go get the go, get the go,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: Get the talent yet so we could see what Mett
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: can do. You know what I mean, if it has
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: to be perfect, so be it, make it perfect in
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: it's almost like he doesn't want to deal with that
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: strong personality in the locker room, you know that that
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: the diva, the guy that you know just won't listen
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: to me. You know. I think it's cap allocation, though,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: I think I think it really is. I think that
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to have one guy that's taken up
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: thirty million dollars of the cap. They'd rather have three
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: guys that take up thirty million dollars of the cape.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: That's that's just their mindset on it. Okay, but look
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: at Okay, I'm still but look at look at thirty
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  Speaker 1: million does before you don't Oh, I'm not disagreeing with
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: you at all. I think I think everyone's just trying
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: to give you what he thinks. Bill's philosophy. They would
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: they want to in their mind, they've always thought of it.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: Roster building is building one through fifty three, right, Like,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: it's not just building the top ten, right. And I
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: think you hear a lot of the time, oh like
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: you know, this isn't mad and this isn't fantasy football
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: or whatever, because because they don't want to build a
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: roster that is top heavy, they want to build a
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: depth roster with good depth and stuff like that. Over
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: the years, you know, uh, they've had more players on
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: their roster making more than a million dollars and like
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: any other team in the league, because they really the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: middle of the pack, right, They're they're like middle depth.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: They take that really seriously. They want to have good, solid,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: strong middle class middle class. Thank you. That's what I'm
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: looking for. Okay, one more thing and that's it, and
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: I have to I got to be very honest, all
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: just a side. And I'm gonna say this for the record,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: If if if the Patriots look like this next season,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: if Matt Patricia's dear if draft looks horrible in that
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: off season, I mean for you to scy looks just grazy.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm sorry. I'm in a Patriots fan for
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: a long time. I love y'all to death. I'm gonna
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: continue listen to y'all stuff, but I can't. I can't
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: many where you gonna gona. You could take the Eagles,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: You're in Philly. I like the point though, I thought
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: the same thing yesterday. I just saw the quote about Hopkins,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's just as good as any player,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: and I thought the same thing he thought. I'm like, man,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: you get up there and you're hear him praising these guys,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: and like, when don't you like to coach some of them? Like,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, what was it like when you had Randy Moss?
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that was not pretty fun? Like I can't imagine
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: it's not appealing to him on some level. And I
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: thought he's been a He probably thinks though that, Okay, Yeah,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: we had Randy Moss and we had to spend a
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: lot of time keeping him in line, and that's just that.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: That excuse, though, is that's an excuse. I know, but
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. That's just I do think it
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: took a lot of time, and I think it was
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: worth it. Yeah, Yeah, it was it worth it for
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: at least a year. Yeah. James Pettigrew, the most interesting
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Patriots fan of the World, writes in whenever I see
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones make a play on offense or special teams,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: I can't help thinking, Man, the third and fifth round
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: picks we're gonna get for trading him are gonna turn
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: into really sucky players down the line. Ouch. Yeah, I
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: actually don't think that, to be honest, I think he's
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: gonna be here for the long run. I think I'll
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: be here for a little while. Yeah, what did I miss?
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: I asked? I asked Bill about him today, and you know,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: just about how do you kind of divvy up his
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: snaps right between offense, defense and special teams? And uh,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: you know, how do you kind of go about doing that?
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: And he mentioned Troy Brown Julian Edelman. I think they
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: view Marcus at least so far. We'll see if it sticks,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: but at least so far, I think they view him
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: in that, in that mold of you know, somebody that
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: can really contribute in all three phases, and I for
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: that reason, he will stay here, right, and he'll never
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: have value at one thing. Look at my big brain, however,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: necessarily write with Fred's point, I think his value might
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: never be centralized. And also I think that those are
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: the types of guys that they see value in paying
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: because they look at it and say, this guy contributes
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: and every possible same thing. You're a sneaky bad guy. Uh.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: David and Beth David and Beth to a Bantican to
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: Uh David and Bethleheim. Uh, for you stats guys, for
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: you stats guys. How much time has Mac actually had?
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: How does that time compare to other teams? How do
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: his pressure stats compare to other teams? Please rate the
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: old line, show you work, no peaking, awesome, This is
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: gonna be great, Chevin, what do you got? What do
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: you got? All right? So pressure stats are skewed on
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: this because it all depends on how you know quarterback
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: and control pressure stats to a degree too, right, like
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: quick release, So if you get the ball out, you know,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady gets the ball out and two point two seconds,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: so his pressure rate is not very good. But then
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: if you look at their offensive line has actually not
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: been very good this year, just on a per play,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: you know, per player basis. So is that the quarterback
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: is at the offensive line. So I have a tough
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: time with pressure stats. But I think overall, when you
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: look at this offensive line, they have really struggled, in
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: particular at the tackle position. Trent Brown is for whatever reason,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: not playing the same level that I think we all
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: think he's capable of playing. He's much better player last year,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: even for them than he has been this year. And
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: then obviously right tackle has just been a revolving door
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: of nothing. So that has really been to me the
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: biggest issue. If they could keep you know, Andrews Strange
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: and on Windy on the interior, which has been the
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: majority of their snaps as and offense has been with
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: those three guys. Not terrible on the interior, it's not
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: terrible where he's about middle of the pack right now
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: in time to throw, which I think is a really
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: important indicator of overall pressure. Um so his pressure numbers
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: are not terrible, but that's again indicative more so, I
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: would say, and the fact that he does get the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: ball out quickly and screen past his quick game like
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: that type of stuff is a part of their offense.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: So some of that is skewed now in terms of
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: like what PF calls pass blocking efficiency, which just studies
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: sacks and pressures allowed by the offensive line, they're they're
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: lower in that category, so they're near the bottom of
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: the league in that category. And then the money quote,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: how does Mack perform win under pressure? Terrible? So that's
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: that's the telling one. That's the biggest thing I think
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: that stands out about this team Statistically, when I look
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: at their offense right now, Mac Jones per PF is
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: fiftieth fiftieth in passing grade while under pressure, fifty out
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: of fifty one quarter there's thirty two teams. The only
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: quarterback that has graded out worse under pressure happens to
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: play for the New York Jets, Zach Zach Wilson. He
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: is forty fifth in passer rating while under pressure, and
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: his passer rating is so bad. I love this one.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: His passer rating is so bad that if he just
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: spiked the ball into the ground every time he faced pressure,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: it would be fire. Then what did occurred to nine
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: point six? Right? His completion rate while under pressure forty
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: three point eight. So this is the type of things
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  Speaker 1: that you see with Mac. And when he's kept clean
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: and the players talk about all the time and he's
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: kept cleaning, great quarterback, he can get us the ball.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: You know my argument, quarterbacks, everyone everybody else, right, So
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: that's that's been the big statistical thing, and especially when
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: you look at his pressure stats last year to this year,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: it's quite a precipitous drop off in that respect. All right,
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