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Credlin | 9 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James Morrow
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Speaker 2: here filling in for Peter Kredline. This week, We've got
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Speaker 2: a huge show tonight. Here is what's coming up. We're
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Speaker 2: going to go live to Los Angeles as the city
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Speaker 2: burns in what could be California's worst natural disaster in history.
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Speaker 2: And you're gonna hear my take on the California government's
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Speaker 2: incompetence in just a moment. Also tonight, Anthony ALBANIZI, well,
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Speaker 2: he's accused of running away from the big issues as
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Speaker 2: the PM promises more cash during a pre election blitz.
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Speaker 2: Senator Descent to Navagenter Price has been scathing of Albanzi
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Speaker 2: and she is going to join me a little bit
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Speaker 2: later in the program. And Australia's worker shortage crisis deepens
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Speaker 2: as labor fails to curb unprecedented migration.
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Speaker 1: But are all these monitors for that? If they're not
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Speaker 1: for the jobs.
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Speaker 2: We're going to go through the statistics a bit later
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Speaker 2: in the show. But first, the big story tonight, and
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Speaker 2: I fear it's going to be the big story for
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Speaker 2: some time to come, is the inferno engulfing Los Angeles.
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Speaker 2: Now what you see here on your screen is drone
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Speaker 2: footage taken by LA local Anthony Cabasa of what remains
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Speaker 2: of Alta Dina, California, a residential neighborhood that now looks
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Speaker 2: like a war zone. And it's not just out to Dina.
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Speaker 2: At least three separate wildfires, whipped up by the city's
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Speaker 2: notorious Santa Anna wins have marched through suburb after suburb,
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Speaker 2: torching at least a thousand homes, killing at least five,
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Speaker 2: and toting up a damages bill that could wind up
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Speaker 2: being as big as the one that came from Hurricane Katrina.
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Speaker 2: And there's a very specific reason why I bring up
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Speaker 2: Hurricane Katrina, aside from the obvious parallels to American cities
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Speaker 2: laid low by natural disaster, because, as in New Orleans
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Speaker 2: two decades ago, when local officials in Louisiana did not
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Speaker 2: maintain flood levees and left the city unprepared for the
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Speaker 2: storm and subsequent surge of water through the city, Los
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Speaker 2: Angeles has been badly let down by its own government
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Speaker 2: at every single level in competence progressive politics, dei cultism,
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Speaker 2: and environmental insanity have all conspired to leave the city
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Speaker 2: exposed to what are as in Australia regularly occurring fires
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Speaker 2: that under ordinary circumstances can be predicted, prepared for, prevented,
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Speaker 2: or at least mitigated. But when you look more closely
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Speaker 2: at what is actually going on on the ground in
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Speaker 2: LA right now, it looks a lot less like climate change,
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Speaker 2: which is what some people are blaming it on, and
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Speaker 2: a lot more like what happens when you combine democrat
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Speaker 2: mismanagement with misplaced environmentalism and stir it up with a
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Speaker 2: heady mix of DEI inspired in competence. Now, let's be clear,
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Speaker 2: what is happening in LA right now is a real tragedy.
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Speaker 2: Lives have been lost, as well as inneumerable homes, but
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Speaker 2: radical leftist policies have been in force in California for decades,
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Speaker 2: and that has left Los Angeles dangerously exposed. Let's start
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Speaker 2: with the local city government in LA. Shall we now
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Speaker 2: the Democrat mayor of LA, Karen Bass. She is a
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Speaker 2: real piece of work. Let me tell you who actually
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Speaker 2: cut seventeen million dollars from the budget of the Los
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Speaker 2: Angeles Fire Department months before this week's inferno.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe these extra.
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Speaker 2: Funds could have come in handy somewhere along the lines.
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Speaker 2: When the fires broke out. She was on holiday in Africa,
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Speaker 2: in Ghana to be precise, and several days after the
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Speaker 2: disaster began she made her way back home. Finally, here
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Speaker 2: she is being bailed up at the airport a little
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Speaker 2: over twelve hours ago by a sky News UK journalist
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Speaker 2: who wanted to know what Bass had to say for herself.
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Speaker 3: Madam Mayor, David Levins from Sky News in the UK,
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Speaker 3: were fire chiefs say that they're really stretched to the
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Speaker 3: limit and running out of water?
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Speaker 1: What are you going to?
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Speaker 4: Have you no response to that?
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Speaker 5: Do you? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Citizens?
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Speaker 6: And apology for being absent while their homes were burning?
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Speaker 6: Do you regret coming the fire department budget by millions
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Speaker 6: of dollars?
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Speaker 4: Madam Mayor?
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Speaker 1: Have you nothing to say today? Nothing to say?
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Speaker 2: Indeed, I have never seen a disgraceful of p a
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Speaker 2: performance by an elected official like that. And apparently, well
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Speaker 2: she just scarpord after that line of questioning. Then a
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Speaker 2: few hours ago Bass did front the press and she
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Speaker 2: gave this very helpful advice to Los Angeleanos at a
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Speaker 2: press conference.
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Speaker 7: Right now if you need help, emergency information, resources and
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Speaker 7: shelter is available. All of this can be found at
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Speaker 7: your l Los Angeles together is how.
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Speaker 1: We will get through.
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Speaker 2: This can be found at your l. What is she
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Speaker 2: talking about? If this was Joe Biden, it'd almost be funny.
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Speaker 2: But the thing is, there are real lives, real homes
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Speaker 2: at stake here. But you know, let's be fair, A
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Speaker 2: bad mayor could be saved by good managers, right, particularly
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Speaker 2: if those managers are at the local fire department. The
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Speaker 2: problem is, while the actual firefighters are real heroes at
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Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Fire Department, their bosses management in the
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles Fire Department seemed to be more obsessed with
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Speaker 2: the unholy trinity of diversity, equity, and inclusion than you know,
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Speaker 2: actually fighting fires. This is the chief of the Los
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Speaker 2: Angeles Fire Department, Liz Crowley, whose official bio on their
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Speaker 2: website notes in the very first paragraph that she is
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Speaker 2: quote the first female at LGBTQ chief on the LAFD unquote. Well,
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Speaker 2: hooray for her, and here you can see her front
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Speaker 2: and center at the Los Angeles Pride Parade, living her
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Speaker 2: mission to as she says on her website, creates support
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Speaker 2: and promotere culture that values diversity, inclusion, and equity. And
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Speaker 2: here's what she told the local news station when she
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Speaker 2: got the job.
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Speaker 8: She took time out of her already busy schedule to
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Speaker 8: tell us about her vision for the department's future, one
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Speaker 8: that includes a three year strategic plan to increase diversity.
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Speaker 9: People ask me, well, what number are you looking for?
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Speaker 9: So I'm looking for a number is never enough?
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Speaker 2: Never enough? Who cares about fighting fires? Right? The whole
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Speaker 2: point of becoming the head of the LAFD, if you're
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Speaker 2: one of these types of people, is to just impose
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Speaker 2: more diversity.
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Speaker 1: It's just a diversity that counts, and as she said,
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Speaker 1: there's never enough. Now.
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Speaker 2: Under her watch, the fire department passed a comprehensive racial
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Speaker 2: equity plan in the mistaken belief that their mission is
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Speaker 2: to end what she called quote systemic, institutional and structural
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Speaker 2: racism unquote. This project included, among other things, charting the
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Speaker 2: race of every single firefighter to make sure that the
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Speaker 2: group was diverse enough. And of course, at the law
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Speaker 2: Samson's Fire Department, there's plenty of diversity training.
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Speaker 10: I welcome all of you in this room to join,
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Speaker 10: whether you're LGBTQ plus or not, or you're just an ally,
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Speaker 10: you have family members, anybody that's willing to engage and
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Speaker 10: learn and grow from the opportunities that this experience has
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Speaker 10: persentity with.
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Speaker 11: The Los Angeles County Fire Department would be recognized nationally
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Speaker 11: and possibly even globally as an agency that was very
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Speaker 11: serious about diversity, equity, and inclusion and made some substantive
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Speaker 11: changes so that everybody could feel safe and feel included.
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Speaker 2: Hey on, did that guy just say everybody should feel safe?
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but isn't your job as a firefighter to
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Speaker 2: keep people safe from fires?
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Speaker 1: Not there feeling safe.
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Speaker 2: All of this is further proof that the diversity cult
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Speaker 2: is not actually about improving the performance of organizations, but
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Speaker 2: it is rather like the creature an alien, a parasite
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Speaker 2: that invades and takes over previously respected government agencies, corporations,
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Speaker 2: and universities, feeds off them, and leaves them a shell
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Speaker 2: of what they once were. To the extent that the
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Speaker 2: fire department's managers still care about the icky stuff like
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Speaker 2: fighting fires, well, that job has of course been made
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Speaker 2: more difficult by this state government in California, the Democrat
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Speaker 2: run state government, which has made water already hard enough
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Speaker 2: to come by in California even more scarce because of
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Speaker 2: environmental rules.
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Speaker 1: Now what we.
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Speaker 2: Call backburning or controlled burns are all but impossible in California.
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Speaker 2: One analysis show that it takes an average of four
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Speaker 2: point seven years for proposed backburn to get through environmental
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Speaker 2: reviews that allow them to happen, and for complex projects.
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Speaker 2: According to this review, it said it took seven point
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Speaker 2: two years longer than many fire sightkeles and Governor Gavin Newsom, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that guy. You knew he had a head in all
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Speaker 2: of this. Well, he's led a program to get rid
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Speaker 2: of dams to protect little fish at the behest of
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Speaker 2: Native American tribes, the largest.
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Speaker 8: Damn the global projects in US history and one of
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Speaker 8: the most significant, if not the most significant water restoration
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Speaker 8: projects bringing back salmon and steelhead into this space. That
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Speaker 8: this project could not have happened without extraordinary partnerships with
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Speaker 8: tribal nations.
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Speaker 2: So they get rid of the dams and the end
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Speaker 2: result is exactly what you would think. It is rain
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Speaker 2: water the state could have stored for agriculture and people.
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Speaker 2: And you know, yes, fighting fires now washes out to sea.
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Speaker 2: A year ago, LA had the most rainfall and had
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Speaker 2: in twenty five years, and there was a huge amount
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Speaker 2: of snowpack in the mountains too, but all that water
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Speaker 2: was allowed to rush out to sea by the Democrat government.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump warned about this months ago when he appeared
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Speaker 2: on the Joe Rogan podcast.
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Speaker 5: They said, we have no water. I said, do you
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Speaker 5: have a drought? No, we don't have a drought. I said,
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Speaker 5: why don't you have no water? Because the water isn't
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Speaker 5: allowed to flow down. It's got a natural flow from
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Speaker 5: Canada all the way up north, more water than they
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Speaker 5: could have use. And in order to protect a tiny
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Speaker 5: little fish, the water up north gets routed into the
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Speaker 5: Pacific Ocean. Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured.
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Speaker 5: I could have water for all of that land, water
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Speaker 5: for your forests. You know your forests are dry as
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Speaker 5: a bone.
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Speaker 1: Okay, dangerous.
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Speaker 5: That water could be routed. You know, you could have everything,
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Speaker 5: not only dangerous. Billions of dollars a year they spend
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Speaker 5: on forest fires, and you know there's a case with
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Speaker 5: the environment. They're not allowed to rake their forests because
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Speaker 5: to touch it and all they have to do is
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Speaker 5: clean their force, meaning rake it up, get rid of
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Speaker 5: the leaves, get rid of you know, leaves that are
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Speaker 5: sitting there for five years.
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Speaker 2: Look, some people be saying that now is not the
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Speaker 2: time to be talking politics about this disaster. But you
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Speaker 2: know what, I disagree. I think that there is no
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Speaker 2: better time now. Remember, as I said earlier, the left
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Speaker 2: is already politicizing this disaster, saying that no, it wasn't
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Speaker 2: there bad management, their environmental policies, a DEI policies, everything
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Speaker 2: else that was responsible for leaving Los Angeles vulnerable.
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Speaker 1: No no, no, no no.
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Speaker 2: They're just going to blame it all on climate change.
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Speaker 2: But I say they cannot be allowed to get away
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Speaker 2: with this bad management, bad policies, bad politics have directly
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Speaker 2: led to this tragedy, or at least made it far
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Speaker 2: worse than it needed to be. Those who are are
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Speaker 2: saying too soon are really saying let's just forget all
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Speaker 2: about it until it happens again. Sorry, but that's not
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Speaker 2: good enough, not for the people of California or anyone else.
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Speaker 2: All Right, I want to take you to live pictures
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Speaker 2: out of Los Angeles tonight, where you can see this emergency.
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Speaker 1: Is far from over.
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Speaker 2: The inferno is still raging as desperate crews try to
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Speaker 2: contain the blaze. Let's go live to Roxanne Hogue, los
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Speaker 2: Angeles resident and California Republican delegate who is in North Hollywood.
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Speaker 1: Rock Sand.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me this evening. We
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Speaker 2: spoke before the US election. I'm sorry to be speaking
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Speaker 2: to you under these circumstances, but tell us how things
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Speaker 2: are right now where you are this evening.
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Speaker 12: Well, James, as you know because you've been here, Los
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Speaker 12: Angeles County is overwhelmingly large, where the most populous county
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Speaker 12: is in the United States of America. So ten million
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Speaker 12: people pretty much make their home here, and that covers
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Speaker 12: about four thousand square miles. So when people say, oh,
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Speaker 12: are you affected by the fire and Pacific Palisades when
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Speaker 12: you live in North Hollywood, you can say no, that's
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Speaker 12: that's very far away. What's been so dangerous about the
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Speaker 12: high wind conditions that we've had in the past few
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Speaker 12: days and these fires is that they are popping up
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Speaker 12: seemingly everywhere with no notice. Now, part of that is
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Speaker 12: due to the wind, of course, catching embers or bits
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Speaker 12: of trees flowing around and then being carried on the wind.
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Speaker 12: But one of the things, the only thing you did
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Speaker 12: not mention in your very excellent summary was the amount
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Speaker 12: of unhoused what we call homeless people here in California
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Speaker 12: who weather lighting up for their drugs or lighting a
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Speaker 12: fire to keep themselves warm. They start fires. Before this week,
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Speaker 12: ninety percent of the fires that LA Fire was checking
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Speaker 12: out that they had to respond.
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Speaker 9: To were set by homeless.
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Speaker 12: So this latest fire, which was on my way home
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Speaker 12: from where I was working earlier tonight, looks to have been.
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Speaker 9: One of those.
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Speaker 12: I think we're right now almost all contained there, but
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Speaker 12: they're popping up at any minute. It's very hard for
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Speaker 12: friends of mine.
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Speaker 4: To sleep well because you think, oh, well.
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Speaker 12: That's over on the coast, and then the Eaten fire happens,
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Speaker 12: which is in Pasadena, and then Woodley popped up over
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Speaker 12: on the four or five, and then Santa Monica got hit,
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Speaker 12: and it's all been a bit much.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no rock sand.
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Speaker 2: It's just an unbelievable disaster that's unfolding before our eyes.
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Speaker 1: Tell us.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that I keep hearing about is
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Speaker 2: fire hydrants that have no water in them. So firefighters
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Speaker 2: go to the scenes of fires. They try to put
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Speaker 2: out a fire on a street or in a house
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Speaker 2: and they can't get any water.
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Speaker 1: What's happening with that?
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Speaker 12: That was especially problematic in Pacific Palisage, which, by the way,
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Speaker 12: I can't express to you what a beautiful neighborhood that was.
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Speaker 12: It's quintessentially what you think of as actual great living
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Speaker 12: in California. And I have friends, every one of them
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Speaker 12: has lost their home, and every one of them their
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Speaker 12: families have lost their homes.
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Speaker 1: It is unbelievable.
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Speaker 12: And it was there that there wasn't enough water to
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Speaker 12: fight the fires. Now the government, as you said aptly
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Speaker 12: put it, you're completely incompetent, has put out a statement
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Speaker 12: Department of Order and Power saying, you know, there weren't
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Speaker 12: any issues any but if there were any, there were
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Speaker 12: created by a lack of supply and water pressure. Yes,
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Speaker 12: we know that's why there was no water to fight
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Speaker 12: these fires. I think it's especially devastating, whether you live
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Speaker 12: here or you're just watching, to see a row a
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Speaker 12: street right next to the Pacific Ocean of houses that burned,
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Speaker 12: or to see specific palisades which is right on you know,
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Speaker 12: a bluff above the ocean, every house practically with a
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Speaker 12: swimming pool, and think, how can this happen? There is
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Speaker 12: water water everywhere. Well, there was no plan, there's no
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Speaker 12: follow through. It's it's just terrible.
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Speaker 2: And how are people rating and how are you rating?
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Speaker 2: You know, you speak to a lot of people, you
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Speaker 2: would have a lot of friends there, and you've been
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Speaker 2: involved in politics as well. How are people feeling about
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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom's response on this? He did speak earlier today.
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Speaker 2: I know Donald Trump has called on him to resign
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Speaker 2: his position. Is anger starting to build at the Democrat
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Speaker 2: regime there in California?
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Speaker 9: I think right.
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Speaker 12: Now, you know, you go through all the stages of grief.
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Speaker 12: The friends I see are some are shell shocked. Everybody
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Speaker 12: is grateful right that they got out. There's been five
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Speaker 12: deaths so far in the in the Altadina area. All
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Speaker 12: my friends in Pacific, big palacies, a lot of mothers.
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Speaker 12: We all banded together during the COVID lockdowns. They are
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Speaker 12: grateful that their families are with them and that they're
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Speaker 12: all together and alive.
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Speaker 9: And I think the.
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Speaker 12: Anger is going to come for most people. Gavin Newsom
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Speaker 12: is completely irrelevant. There's a lot of posturing happening around here.
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Speaker 12: But for someone to you know, have been so precient
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Speaker 12: two days, I don't even know what day it is.
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Speaker 12: I don't know what day it is to think, oh,
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Speaker 12: I'm going to leave the house early, pack a back,
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Speaker 12: get the kids and pull them out of school. And
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Speaker 12: then not only do you never get to go back,
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Speaker 12: there's nothing to go back to. So they're definitely in shock.
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Speaker 12: People with the clothes on their back. One of the
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Speaker 12: things I said tonight when I saw a friend mine
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Speaker 12: at a news station in Los Angeles. She has two
18:51
Speaker 12: pairs of shoes for her and her daughter to split,
18:54
Speaker 12: and the clothes on their back. They have money to
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Speaker 12: get more, but it doesn't matter how much money or
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Speaker 12: resources you have.
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Speaker 9: When you reach.
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Speaker 12: For something, or think of something, or or just remember
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Speaker 12: something that's no longer there, it's it's going to hurt
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Speaker 12: for a very long time. And sadly, the people for
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Speaker 12: whom leftist politics is a religion will all not their
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Speaker 12: heads and say, ah, yes it is climate change. Peace
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Speaker 12: be upon her that must be the problem, and not
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Speaker 12: blame who they need to blame.
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Speaker 2: And finally, you know, it is very early to start
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Speaker 2: talking about this about you know, the rebuilding process. But
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Speaker 2: I am also hearing that there's a lot of concern
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Speaker 2: about insurance and an awful lot of people have had
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Speaker 2: their insurance pulled. There's a Californian insurance program, but that's
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Speaker 2: not going to cover the losses that a lot of
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Speaker 2: people have here, is it.
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Speaker 12: Well, it's it's going to be compounded. You know, problems
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Speaker 12: compound solutions. It would be great if we got some.
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Speaker 12: But in addition to the not allowing insurance companies to
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Speaker 12: raise their raids and so insurance companies left or stopped
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Speaker 12: offering fire coverage because of the government actions. Building in California,
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Speaker 12: especially in Los Angeles, it's not easy hillside areas. You know,
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Speaker 12: they layer on new laws every year. So on January first,
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Speaker 12: there are laws about what you can do in a renovation,
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Speaker 12: what sort of water heater you.
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Speaker 13: Have to have.
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Speaker 12: These are going to explode the costs exponentially. Now, in
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Speaker 12: states where there's actual sane governance after a natural disaster
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Speaker 12: or mitigated disaster like this, they'll sort of do a
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Speaker 12: wholesale variance package on building. I'm not going to hold
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Speaker 12: my breath.
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Speaker 1: That LA is that smart there?
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Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm afraid not listen to Roxanne. We're going
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Speaker 2: to have to leave it there at Roxanne Hoague, thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for your time and know that everyone
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Speaker 2: in Australia right now is thinking of you guys there
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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. Thank you so much for your time
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Speaker 2: and make some time on this very difficult time. Stay
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Speaker 2: safe out there. Now, let's go back home and the
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Speaker 2: notorious Bruce Highway in Queensland. But let's be the subject
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Speaker 2: with a huge amount of funding back and forth. It's
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Speaker 2: going to get funding regardless of the upcoming election result.
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Speaker 2: After Peter Dutton declared that he would match Labor's seven
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Speaker 2: point two billion dollar pledge, but with a catch, the
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Speaker 2: opposition leader has said that he is going to ban
21:28
Speaker 2: the controversial union, the CFMU, from all future highway projects.
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Speaker 2: Now let's bring in tonight's panel. Joining me is Small
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Speaker 2: Business Women Australia CEO Amanda Rose and the Harold Sons
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Speaker 2: Senior writer Patrick Carlyon. Thank you both so much for
21:44
Speaker 2: joining me tonight. Amanda, let's start with you here. This
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Speaker 2: is a major win for Queenslanders one way or the other.
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Speaker 1: But it sounds to be here.
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Speaker 2: That Peter dut may have wedged Labor against its union
21:56
Speaker 2: base with his commitment around the CFMU.
21:58
Speaker 9: I was pretty smart.
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Speaker 14: I think we need to start by saying the CFMU
22:02
Speaker 14: is different to most unions. I like to say that
22:05
Speaker 14: in a league of their own, treat them separately. And
22:07
Speaker 14: the Master Builders Association has said that, you know, essentially
22:11
Speaker 14: when they're involved, cost go up to nearly thirty percent,
22:14
Speaker 14: so that seven point two billion dollars probably would be
22:16
Speaker 14: a lot more of labor was bringing in the CFM
22:20
Speaker 14: involve all of their involved in, you know, the creation
22:22
Speaker 14: of it. So I think it was a strategic roove.
22:24
Speaker 14: I think it was smart.
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Speaker 9: It's going to happen either way.
22:27
Speaker 14: But let's face it, after what we've seen of what
22:29
Speaker 14: that particular union has done, they shouldn't be involved. It's
22:32
Speaker 14: gone in the days where it's about protecting the rights
22:34
Speaker 14: of the worker, and now it's well put this way
22:37
Speaker 14: if you watch the Sopranos.
22:40
Speaker 2: Indeed, now Patrick, the thing I'm curious about here, though,
22:43
Speaker 2: is that Alberdiazi has already kicked off the campaign in
22:47
Speaker 2: this sort of phony war sort of state. How does
22:50
Speaker 2: Peter this was very clever moo, I think that he's
22:52
Speaker 2: made here on this, but how does Peter wind up
22:55
Speaker 2: being able to compete on this ground where he doesn't
22:58
Speaker 2: have the power of the purse. He's not even you
23:00
Speaker 2: know in they're not even in caretaker aboard yet what
23:03
Speaker 2: does he do to stay ahead of this juggernaut of money,
23:07
Speaker 2: this fire hose of money that Anthony Alberanizi appears determined
23:11
Speaker 2: to unleash on the electorate.
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Speaker 6: Well, I agree with Amanda certainly on this one. He's
23:18
Speaker 6: been very clever with this one. And the CFMI. You
23:21
Speaker 6: think in Victoria is going to really matter in a
23:23
Speaker 6: state that, for the first time in a long time
23:25
Speaker 6: in an election, it's going to be a battleground state
23:29
Speaker 6: and the ill will towards the cfmme you down here,
23:32
Speaker 6: if you use that thirty percent number is for the
23:35
Speaker 6: Big Bill, which is all the major projects around Victoria.
23:38
Speaker 4: It's worth one hundred billion dollars.
23:40
Speaker 6: Now, if you use that thirty percent, it's thirty billion
23:43
Speaker 6: dollars in a state that's basically broke.
23:46
Speaker 4: I think that was very clever.
23:49
Speaker 6: This is going to be the longest federal election campaign
23:51
Speaker 6: of all time, I feel like it, and Albo's going
23:53
Speaker 6: to keep doing this and as you would expect. But look,
23:58
Speaker 6: I think Dutton, to be fair, that was a very
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Speaker 6: savvy response today with the CFMAU aspect to it.
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Speaker 4: And look, he'll be playing catch up all the way along.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure, yeah, fair enough.
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Speaker 2: Now we've covered an awful lot of serious news, so
24:10
Speaker 2: I want to have a little bit of fun here
24:12
Speaker 2: this evening, because the campaign fight is continuing with Anthony
24:15
Speaker 2: Albernizi claiming get this here, that he is better placed
24:20
Speaker 2: than Peter Dutton to forge a productive relationship with incoming
24:25
Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump. Amanda Rose, do you think that
24:31
Speaker 2: this has any basis in what we w call a
24:35
Speaker 2: shared reality or or is the Prime Minister peddling a
24:39
Speaker 2: bit of that misinformation he's so upset about.
24:41
Speaker 14: Well, well, put it this way, he doesn't have a
24:43
Speaker 14: good relationship with the people of his own country, so
24:46
Speaker 14: that's kind of a testament of building relationships and his
24:49
Speaker 14: skills of doing that. But what he's trying to do
24:51
Speaker 14: is distance himself from being attached to the Democrats. So
24:54
Speaker 14: he's trying to say, we're not like the Democrats, We're
24:56
Speaker 14: not that party. We're actually kind of more like Trump.
24:59
Speaker 14: We did along with t so their people won't turn
25:01
Speaker 14: on the labor government in the election. Now, you know,
25:04
Speaker 14: the reality is Dutey is a conservative liberal and more
25:08
Speaker 14: on the right, so I actually think he will have
25:10
Speaker 14: a better relationship with Trump because of that.
25:12
Speaker 9: But let's face it, you both have.
25:14
Speaker 14: To have a good relationship with leaders of other countries,
25:17
Speaker 14: but using that as a political tool for the campaign
25:19
Speaker 14: is a bit odd.
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Speaker 1: Patrick.
25:21
Speaker 2: It seems like right now Anthony Albanizi is kind of
25:24
Speaker 2: odd man out in global sort of Western politics. It
25:27
Speaker 2: seems like, you know, Justin Trudeau has just fallen on
25:30
Speaker 2: his sword. They're very likeally going to get a conservative
25:32
Speaker 2: prime minister in Canada later this year. You know, all
25:36
Speaker 2: across Europe here Star Wars in a lot of trouble
25:38
Speaker 2: for a variety of reasons. People just aren't buying this
25:42
Speaker 2: sort of old establishment left wing liberalism, are they anymore?
25:46
Speaker 2: And it seems to be odd that Anthony Albanizey would
25:49
Speaker 2: think that he could stand against his tide.
25:53
Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting, James, because China only about a month
25:56
Speaker 6: ago was holding up alban Easy as the White Night
26:00
Speaker 6: of the American allies to sort of put pressure on
26:02
Speaker 6: not to bring in these tariffs.
26:04
Speaker 4: And I think you're right.
26:05
Speaker 6: I mean, it really has swung in the last twelve months,
26:08
Speaker 6: most obviously with Donald Trump saying that he's going to
26:12
Speaker 6: be friends with China, that he's a better bet with
26:14
Speaker 6: China and with the US does sound very hollow at
26:18
Speaker 6: the moment, sort of ground that you would sort of
26:20
Speaker 6: think he would try to avoid rather than try and
26:22
Speaker 6: take on it this stage, because as Amanda said, you know, politically,
26:27
Speaker 6: Dutton's more aligned to Trump than Albanese. He's ever going
26:29
Speaker 6: to be in Albanesi was tearing off in years gone
26:32
Speaker 6: past about Donald Trump, sort of saying making all sorts
26:35
Speaker 6: of suggestions and criticisms, which makes his life a lot harder.
26:39
Speaker 6: I would have thought he'd be trying to avoid talking
26:41
Speaker 6: about these sorts of things right now.
26:43
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
26:44
Speaker 2: Now I want to talk about another issue too that
26:46
Speaker 2: I think is burbling away very strongly just underneath the
26:49
Speaker 2: surface of this campaign, and that of course is migration.
26:52
Speaker 2: And there are concerns now that Libra is going to
26:55
Speaker 2: miss its targets to bring down migration in an effort
26:58
Speaker 2: to tackle housing crisis. Who would have thought that demand
27:02
Speaker 2: led to a shrinkage of supply. Who do Former Immigration
27:06
Speaker 2: Department Deputy Sacreary abil Risbe has in suggestion that Treasury
27:09
Speaker 2: boffins have overcooked their numbers on how many student visa
27:13
Speaker 2: holders are going to leave the country over the coming years,
27:17
Speaker 2: which could wind up keeping those net migration figures at
27:20
Speaker 2: record highs. Imagine this is going to be I think
27:23
Speaker 2: the big sleeper issue here, and I feel like Australians
27:28
Speaker 2: kind of they want to talk about it, but they
27:31
Speaker 2: don't quite know how they can talk about it without
27:34
Speaker 2: somebody saying, hey, you can't say that. But there's a
27:36
Speaker 2: lot of things that people are concerned about, whether it's housing,
27:39
Speaker 2: cultural cohesion, all of those things.
27:41
Speaker 14: Well, if you just point out there's two key points here. Firstly,
27:44
Speaker 14: it's irresponsible to say to people come to our country,
27:48
Speaker 14: the lucky country right for refuge, when there's no way
27:50
Speaker 14: to actually have any refuge because there's no houses. And
27:53
Speaker 14: the people that are already living in Australia right now
27:57
Speaker 14: that can't find a place to rent, can't buy a house,
28:00
Speaker 14: and the government wants to shove bill to rent down
28:02
Speaker 14: their throats is of the only solution. So it's actually
28:04
Speaker 14: irresponsible and somewhat a form of neglect, not only to
28:08
Speaker 14: the people already here and the young people and the
28:10
Speaker 14: women over fifty, but the new migrants coming over they
28:13
Speaker 14: got no way to live.
28:14
Speaker 2: Indeed, now Patrick, you know Peter dun though he has
28:18
Speaker 2: walked back having any targets at the moment. I think
28:20
Speaker 2: he said that they're going to do those after the elections,
28:22
Speaker 2: so Ustal media find out what they are. At the
28:24
Speaker 2: same time, state in the federal governments are struggling to
28:27
Speaker 2: handle the costs of population growth, and that's infrastructure and
28:31
Speaker 2: everything else. Neither side has a really great story to
28:34
Speaker 2: tell here.
28:35
Speaker 6: Do that, Oh, absolutely not. I think economist Chris Richardson
28:40
Speaker 6: got it right today. He was quite in somewhere was saying,
28:42
Speaker 6: get housing right, you idiots, and that has been you
28:46
Speaker 6: had these ambitious targets, said, you know, by both state
28:49
Speaker 6: and federal governments, there's not enough houses being built, there's
28:52
Speaker 6: not enough tradees.
28:53
Speaker 4: To build these houses that are supposed to be built.
28:56
Speaker 6: And at the same time you've got, you know, a
28:58
Speaker 6: disposable income over the last through twelve ot ansis coming down,
29:02
Speaker 6: living standards are coming down, and itse are all about hasing.
29:05
Speaker 6: I think you're this will really clarify as a massive
29:08
Speaker 6: election issue as we get closer to the event.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Patrick Carline and Amanda Rose, thank you so much
29:14
Speaker 2: for your time, really appreciate it. Now there's gonna be
29:16
Speaker 2: a lot more to come after the break, Anthony Albanisi
29:19
Speaker 2: running away from the big issues in the Northern Territory
29:22
Speaker 2: as he skips a visit to Alice Springs on his
29:25
Speaker 2: pre election campaign tour. I wonder why that would be
29:29
Speaker 2: well just sent to Dama. Jemper Price is going to
29:31
Speaker 2: be here to explain what that's all about. Plus questions
29:34
Speaker 2: surround labor support for free speech that wild concept as
29:39
Speaker 2: ministers slam metas move to remove fact checking from their
29:45
Speaker 2: social media sites. All that coming up after the break.
29:52
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. James Morrow here sitting in
29:55
Speaker 2: for Peter Kredlin. This week, Anthony Albanisi has been accused
29:59
Speaker 2: of running away from key issues facing the Northern Territory
30:04
Speaker 2: even as he ramps up his pre election campaign blitz
30:08
Speaker 2: across Australia.
30:09
Speaker 1: The Prime Minister stopped in a cattle farm in the
30:12
Speaker 1: Northern Territory before.
30:13
Speaker 2: Flying off to Wa but noticeably there was a big omission.
30:19
Speaker 2: There was no stop in Alice Springs, a town which
30:23
Speaker 2: we know has been plagued by crime and youth violence
30:28
Speaker 2: and where the locals are fed up and want some help.
30:33
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this and a lot more
30:35
Speaker 2: is Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians just sent a namaship
30:38
Speaker 2: of price just to thank you so much for joining me.
30:41
Speaker 2: Do you believe that the Prime Minister has taken the
30:44
Speaker 2: easy road here by doing a little tourist stop and
30:48
Speaker 2: a cattle farm but not talking to people in Alice
30:52
Speaker 2: about the real hard issues that they're confronting every day
30:56
Speaker 2: and every night.
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Speaker 13: Look.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, firstly, I will just say, we call them cattle
31:03
Speaker 3: stations in the Northern Territory, or Prime Minister kept calling
31:07
Speaker 3: cattle farmers and cattle farms, but we're cattle stations and
31:11
Speaker 3: pastoralists out here and station owners.
31:14
Speaker 9: But however, however, look.
31:16
Speaker 3: He is absolutely taking the easy path. He always has,
31:20
Speaker 3: he always does when he comes to the Northern Territory.
31:25
Speaker 3: You know, if it's not an easy sort of trip,
31:28
Speaker 3: a visit where he's not going to be seen by
31:30
Speaker 3: very many people out in the middle of you know,
31:32
Speaker 3: a very remote part of the Northern Territory, then it's
31:36
Speaker 3: you know, it's usually somewhere like Gama, which is a
31:39
Speaker 3: labor sort of love fest anyway, and it's really safe ground.
31:44
Speaker 3: You know, he's very reluctant and has been reluctant to
31:46
Speaker 3: actually speak to the locals on the ground. The other
31:51
Speaker 3: thing that our Prime minister likes to do and like
31:53
Speaker 3: what labor love to do, is sit down with.
31:56
Speaker 9: Heads of organizations consistently.
31:59
Speaker 3: As opposed to the people that you know are served.
32:04
Speaker 9: By these organizations.
32:06
Speaker 3: And you're right, there is a lot still going on
32:10
Speaker 3: here in other springs in terms of the crime and dysfunction.
32:14
Speaker 3: What I will say is that the current now the
32:16
Speaker 3: new Country Liberal Party government led by Leofanocchiaro, are starting
32:21
Speaker 3: to make some changes, but they are identifying to our
32:26
Speaker 3: federal government what support they need in order to bring
32:30
Speaker 3: about more changes. Since they've come to power, they've in
32:36
Speaker 3: recent times been able to take fifty futuratives off our streets,
32:42
Speaker 3: you know, targeting those with outstanding.
32:44
Speaker 9: Warrants and that sort of thing, which is what the
32:47
Speaker 9: previous government failed to do.
32:50
Speaker 2: And you know, we are seeing these problems with youth crime,
32:52
Speaker 2: not just an Ant but Queensland, Victoria. But we're also
32:55
Speaker 2: seeing I think this trend with this government's becoming a
32:58
Speaker 2: bit of a habit for prime mis job easy to
33:00
Speaker 2: always want a happy photo op but not have to
33:03
Speaker 2: do the sort of the hard yards and hear from
33:05
Speaker 2: people who might not be happy with him. I know,
33:08
Speaker 2: as you say, there's been changes since the CLP government
33:10
Speaker 2: has come in. But what are you hearing from locals
33:13
Speaker 2: in Alice Springs about the Prime minister's visit or rather
33:17
Speaker 2: non visit. Are they disappointed?
33:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, they're absolutely disappointed. It's not just Alae Springs
33:24
Speaker 3: that are disappointed. It's Catherine, it's Tenant Creek, it's other
33:29
Speaker 3: towns in the Northern Territory that would love to.
33:32
Speaker 9: Be heard by the Prime minister.
33:35
Speaker 3: You know, what we do know is that the Prime
33:37
Speaker 3: Minister seems to be going from places you know, remote
33:40
Speaker 3: Queensland now here and it was only a very brief trip.
33:44
Speaker 3: As I said, you'll blink and miss it, and so
33:46
Speaker 3: we have. But evidently, you know, the Northern Territory, we've
33:51
Speaker 3: had an overwhelming result in our last territory election, so
33:54
Speaker 3: did Queensland.
33:56
Speaker 9: It feelds as though he's now playing catch up.
33:59
Speaker 3: In places that he he knows that he has to
34:01
Speaker 3: do a lot more work if labor think they're going
34:04
Speaker 3: to try to win anything.
34:07
Speaker 9: But Territorians aren't fools. They're not happy.
34:10
Speaker 3: They're not just happy with the crime issue, but they're
34:12
Speaker 3: really unhappy with the cost of living crisis. That's troubling
34:18
Speaker 3: for all Australians, but particularly so in the Northern Territory.
34:21
Speaker 3: A lot of smaller family businesses have had to shut
34:24
Speaker 3: down because of both those issues combined.
34:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just to stick there with this idea about
34:31
Speaker 2: the crime and the new government, it seems that I
34:34
Speaker 2: understand the Albani's government has been shown up by the
34:37
Speaker 2: Northern Territory by not backing proposed reforms aimed at helping
34:42
Speaker 2: the declining situation some of these places. Some of these
34:45
Speaker 2: proposals relate to satellite payments and royalty distribution arrangements which
34:50
Speaker 2: are being hindered by labor. Can you explain to our
34:53
Speaker 2: viewers more about what's going on with that and how
34:56
Speaker 2: you know, again, they're all happy to do the fun stuff,
34:59
Speaker 2: but when it comes to actually back in real reform,
35:02
Speaker 2: not so much.
35:04
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's exactly right.
35:06
Speaker 3: So there's been an ask to the federal government to
35:09
Speaker 3: change the day that welfare recipients receive their payments to
35:13
Speaker 3: coincide with those days where there are alcohol restrictions in place,
35:18
Speaker 3: so they're more likely to spend their money getting that
35:22
Speaker 3: money on those days and spend that money on things
35:25
Speaker 3: like food and necessities and clothing and bills and ensuring
35:29
Speaker 3: that children are being fed. It's a really simple reform
35:34
Speaker 3: that can be made quite quickly, and for some reason
35:37
Speaker 3: this government doesn't want to take those steps, which is
35:41
Speaker 3: beyond me.
35:42
Speaker 9: It's just a common sense approach to the matter.
35:44
Speaker 3: And to also consider the way in which royalties payments
35:49
Speaker 3: are delivered through the land councils.
35:52
Speaker 9: Now, this is something that I've brought up in the
35:54
Speaker 9: past about how.
35:56
Speaker 3: I believe the land councils have a responsibility when it
35:59
Speaker 3: comes to the distribution of royalties as another passive form
36:03
Speaker 3: of welfare, because quite often when you get welfare recipients
36:06
Speaker 3: that receive huge sums of money, and a lot of
36:10
Speaker 3: those recipients are also those who have an issue with substance,
36:15
Speaker 3: with alcohol abuse anyway, that a lot of that money
36:18
Speaker 3: is spent on alcohol, and then we usually have sort
36:21
Speaker 3: of an influx in alcohol related crime and violence around
36:27
Speaker 3: those times. And if we had actually had an inquiry
36:31
Speaker 3: into land councils, as I've been calling ever since I
36:33
Speaker 3: got into Parliament, we would be able to see the
36:37
Speaker 3: impact of this particular issue on our most vulnerable within
36:41
Speaker 3: our communities. But Anthony Albanesi and his government have denied
36:46
Speaker 3: over and over again the opportunity to have such an inquiry,
36:50
Speaker 3: which would be utilizing our parliamentary system to allow for
36:55
Speaker 3: vulnerable people to be heard, so we can actually address
36:58
Speaker 3: these issues properly. And look, look, you know what the
37:01
Speaker 3: reforms might look like when it comes to the distribution
37:04
Speaker 3: of royalties payments.
37:07
Speaker 2: Absolutely right spot on, just sitting Ama, Jifer Price. Thank
37:09
Speaker 2: you so much for your time, but we look forward
37:11
Speaker 2: to seeing you out there on the campaign trail. During
37:14
Speaker 2: the campaign was finally called. So after the break though,
37:17
Speaker 2: we talked about Joe Biden's awkward moment during the unfolding
37:20
Speaker 2: emergency in Los Angeles. He's at the end of his
37:23
Speaker 2: presidency and still making us cringe.
37:26
Speaker 1: I'll show you that shortly.
37:27
Speaker 2: And despite Labour's record, those migration numbers still off. Yeah,
37:31
Speaker 2: we talked about before. We're going to talk a little
37:32
Speaker 2: bit more about critical workers. Where are they? We'll find
37:36
Speaker 2: out after the break. Welcome back to the program, James
37:43
Speaker 2: Borrow here for Peter Credlin. Tonight, let's bring in the panel.
37:47
Speaker 2: Joining me on the desk is Sky News host Liz
37:50
Speaker 2: Store and the Spectator contributor Terry Barnes in Melbourne. Well,
37:56
Speaker 2: we spoke about the unfolding emergency in the United States,
38:00
Speaker 2: the wildfires that are destroying large sways of Los Angeles.
38:05
Speaker 2: You would think that this was a time for leadership,
38:08
Speaker 2: but then again, Joe Biden is still Yes. I hate
38:13
Speaker 2: to reminding the president. I want to play you a
38:15
Speaker 2: moment from a media conference with President Joe Biden and
38:19
Speaker 2: California Governor Gavin Newsom.
38:22
Speaker 4: Have a look at this.
38:24
Speaker 1: Good news is.
38:26
Speaker 4: I'm a great grandfather of the day.
38:32
Speaker 8: Thank you Dan Moore, so im nekay.
38:38
Speaker 1: For about law resource Liz Storr.
38:41
Speaker 2: I have always said that Joe Biden was the worst
38:45
Speaker 2: toxic narcissist that the presidency has ever seen. I know
38:49
Speaker 2: people say, oh, it's all about Donald Trump. No, no, no,
38:52
Speaker 2: this guy is a massive narcissist. Even there where he
38:55
Speaker 2: is talking about people who have just lost everything.
38:59
Speaker 1: Please apply for me because I'm now a great grandfather.
39:02
Speaker 9: This is unbelievable.
39:04
Speaker 15: And this is directly after the briefing, so we know
39:08
Speaker 15: this guy's head, as muddled as it may be, has
39:11
Speaker 15: just been filled with the facts, which are none of
39:15
Speaker 15: these fires are under control. Tho's over a thousand structures
39:18
Speaker 15: that have been completely destroyed. Two people are dead, probably
39:23
Speaker 15: more by now, tragically, and this guy thinks it's a
39:26
Speaker 15: great time to get up and tell the nation. But
39:29
Speaker 15: it's a great day for me because I just became
39:32
Speaker 15: a great grandfather. Can you imagine the absolute fury of
39:37
Speaker 15: those who are not only in fear of their own lives,
39:41
Speaker 15: but their friends and family. They could be anywhere in
39:44
Speaker 15: the United States, but have friends and family in LA
39:47
Speaker 15: who are living under the threat of these bushfires. This
39:51
Speaker 15: guy is an absolute joke. I dare say even Trump's
39:54
Speaker 15: biggest haters cannot wait for January twenty at this.
39:58
Speaker 1: Point, Terry Bares, What did you that?
40:00
Speaker 2: Because, as I say, I just couldn't believe that at
40:02
Speaker 2: a time of tragedy and where there needs to be
40:06
Speaker 2: management of the situation, he was making it again. And
40:08
Speaker 2: we've seen this time and again through his presidency, all
40:11
Speaker 2: about him.
40:13
Speaker 16: Well, that's right, many of us have friends and family
40:15
Speaker 16: who were in LA too, James, that's well, I think
40:19
Speaker 16: that he's actually making fun of effectively. But really the
40:23
Speaker 16: man who's checked out of the White House not just
40:26
Speaker 16: on the bits of November, but I think he checked
40:28
Speaker 16: out years ago, and he's showing his absolute disconnection with
40:32
Speaker 16: reality in the way that he handled that. I mean,
40:34
Speaker 16: as you said, he needed to show empathy, He needed
40:37
Speaker 16: to show sympathy, he needed to show understanding. But what
40:39
Speaker 16: did he show? He only cares about himself.
40:43
Speaker 2: Well indeed, and now I want to take it back
40:46
Speaker 2: here to the local issues here because Liz and Terry
40:50
Speaker 2: Communications Minister Michelle Rowland has said that she's very upset
40:56
Speaker 2: about this whole thing where meta the Facebook company, Mark
40:59
Speaker 2: Zuckerberg said that they are going to get rid of
41:02
Speaker 2: their fact checking regime. Now I didn't know this until
41:05
Speaker 2: just a few minutes ago. And apparently Facebook employed forty
41:09
Speaker 2: thousand people to do fact checks. But of course, anybody
41:14
Speaker 2: who lived through everybody who called them a conspiracy theorist
41:17
Speaker 2: for saying that Joe Biden was actually not okay or
41:20
Speaker 2: that the coronavirus came from a lab, well, they know.
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Speaker 2: These fact checkers don't always get it right. Liz Storer,
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Speaker 2: why is it that labor seems to be so afraid
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Speaker 2: of people simply making up.
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Speaker 1: Their own mind? And yes, I recognize I may have
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Speaker 1: answered the question.
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Speaker 15: In asking, yes, they're terrified of the truth. These guys
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Speaker 15: want to be able to paint their own narrative. They're
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Speaker 15: very proud of us being a world first in having
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Speaker 15: an e Safety Commissioner. These guys love censorship. Look at
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Speaker 15: the Combating Misinformation Disinformation bill that we've talked at nauseum about,
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Speaker 15: thankfully is now defeated. What these guys were trying to
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Speaker 15: foist on us tells us everything about their version of
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Speaker 15: an ideal world. And Zuckerberg now coming out this is
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Speaker 15: just the Trump effect saying that he'll cease to do this.
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Speaker 15: This is the guy who said that Facebook wasn't suppressing
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Speaker 15: free speech, now promising that Facebook will stop suppressing free
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Speaker 15: speech because even he recognizes that his fact checkers have
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Speaker 15: a political bias. And again, this is the same man
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Speaker 15: who has apologized for election interferes in the past and
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Speaker 15: acknowledged his own bias in the role that his platforms
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Speaker 15: have played in the last two three rather US election.
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Speaker 2: Well, we only just have to remember what happened with
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Speaker 2: the Hunter Biden laptop and how that was completely dialed down.
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Speaker 2: And I think Mark Zuckerbribe even said that was done
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Speaker 2: at the request of the US government. This is very
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Speaker 2: sinister stuff. And Terry, I want to play a little
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Speaker 2: bit of what Treasurer Jim Chalmers had say about this.
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Speaker 4: I think it's very concerning.
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Speaker 17: I think misinformation and this information is very dangerous and
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Speaker 17: we've seen it really kind of explode in the last
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Speaker 17: few years, and it's a very damaging development, damaging for
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Speaker 17: our democracy. It can be damaging for people's mental health
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Speaker 17: to get the wrong information on social media, and so
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Speaker 17: of course we are concerned.
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Speaker 1: Terry.
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Speaker 2: That's always to tell, isn't it when they say our
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Speaker 2: democracy rather than just you know democracy?
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Speaker 5: True?
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Speaker 16: And this is the bloke who last week actually started
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Speaker 16: the missing disinformation on medi scared Mark three, isn't it.
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Speaker 16: I mean, it's okay for him to actually misinform and disinformed,
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Speaker 16: but anybody else has got they're wrong, They're wrong. Look
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Speaker 16: the way I see it, James, is that Mark Zuckerberg,
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Speaker 16: for all his thoughts on this, for all his sins
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Speaker 16: on these, has actually recognized that Tigers is going out
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Speaker 16: on his form of control and his form of social
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Speaker 16: media censorship. Michelle Rowland, Jim Chalmers and the album Easy
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Speaker 16: they're playing King Can you they think I can control?
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Speaker 16: I cannot. The world is chie The world is a
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Speaker 16: different place, and I just have to accept it.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely right, and you know that tid has moved on
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Speaker 2: and we see that in governments around the world except
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Speaker 2: for here until maybe that next election. Now, find a
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Speaker 2: little fun story for you. McDonald speaking of the wind
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Speaker 2: and changing, Well, they're head offs in the US has
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Speaker 2: said they're going to start to roll back their DEI policies,
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Speaker 2: which started in twenty twenty one due to an array
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Speaker 2: of sexual harassment racism lawsuits. But now they're going to
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Speaker 2: start walking them back in the US.
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Speaker 1: But here's the funny thing.
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Speaker 2: Liz McDonald's Australia is distancing itself from head office in
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Speaker 2: the US and saying they're going to continue their DEI
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Speaker 2: practices here.
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Speaker 1: Why is Australia so slow to catch up?
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Speaker 15: Well, they do say that Americas sneezes, the rest of
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Speaker 15: the world catches a cold, and we're usually behind them
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Speaker 15: in these moves.
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Speaker 9: And I dare say a lot of.
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Speaker 15: The companies, we've seen some major companies come out and say,
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Speaker 15: as well as Machis say that they're going to be
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Speaker 15: ditching DEI type policies. Australia, I would say, is just
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Speaker 15: going to take a few.
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Speaker 9: Years to catch up.
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Speaker 15: But also we're just lacking the strong leadership here. That
45:17
Speaker 15: also that meta announcement by Zuckerberg that doesn't apply to Australia,
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Speaker 15: and Australia ol Foy's book Platforms is still going to
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Speaker 15: be having those fact checkers working round the clock. So unfortunately,
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Speaker 15: and one can only hope it would be different if
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Speaker 15: we had strong leadership here like we see in Donald Trump.
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Speaker 15: These companies, people in government, they're watching the turn of
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Speaker 15: the tide, and like Zuckerberg, they want to be seen
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Speaker 15: as part of the tide, not fighting against it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Terry, I mean, I think Liz implies something interesting
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Speaker 2: here that there's a certain timidity in the Australian debate
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Speaker 2: here where we don't necessarily realize that the window for
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Speaker 2: debate is quite as open as it is.
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Speaker 16: Well, that's true. They're probably also still thinking the Voice
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Speaker 16: preferendum hasn't happened, James. So corporate Australia is a different
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Speaker 16: beast to corporate America, there's no question. But look again,
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Speaker 16: talking about the tide, the tide is rolling back and
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Speaker 16: Macca's Australia is not rolling with maccas USA. They need
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Speaker 16: to accept the world is different. Really, they've lost the
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Speaker 16: battle and look and it comes to past food, James,
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Speaker 16: when it comes to past food, I think the message
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Speaker 16: from Australian Macers is just simply hopes. The advertising slogan
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Speaker 16: from KFC shut up and take my money.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Terry and Lisbith would maybe say that,
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Speaker 2: you know, free speech is the special source of a democracy.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to leave with their Liz Stoor and Terry Burnes,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: Now still to come.
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Speaker 2: That worker shortage is getting worse even though the migration
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Speaker 2: numbers keep increasing.
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Speaker 1: What's that all about. We're going to find out after
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Speaker 1: the break.
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Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to the program, James Mara here for
47:03
Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin, and we don't have much time, but I
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Speaker 2: had a question that I really wanted to find out
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Speaker 2: about immigration and I wanted to talk to Institute of
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Speaker 2: Public Affairs Research fellow fellow Mia Schlickt. Mia, thanks so
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Speaker 2: much coming on the program here. And what I'm concerned
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Speaker 2: about is why it is that with these record numbers
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Speaker 2: of migration that we keep seeing come out from the ABS,
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Speaker 2: we also still seem to have a skilled worker shortage.
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Speaker 1: What's going on?
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Speaker 13: Thanks for having me, James. What this data shows is
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Speaker 13: that the federal government has failed to address Australia's worker
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Speaker 13: shortage crisis. In fact, since the pandemic, worker shortages have
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Speaker 13: increased by fifty percent, and these shortages are being felt
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Speaker 13: across the board in every state and territory. And this
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Speaker 13: is a problem because if businesses can't find the workers
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Speaker 13: that they need, they can't grow and they can't operate
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Speaker 13: at their maximum capacity, which ultimately leads to losses to
47:58
Speaker 13: our economy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that, Mia, but I'm confused because labor
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Speaker 2: keeps saying that this high migration intake is to address
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Speaker 2: these skills shortages after the pandemic. But you know, everybody
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Speaker 2: I talked to in all sorts of industries, hospitality, a
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Speaker 2: lot of other businesses, they say, we can't get the people.
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Speaker 2: Is the problem here that we're actually not training Australians
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Speaker 2: to do these jobs?
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Speaker 13: Well, the Albanezi government has been using worker shortages as
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Speaker 13: a justification for taking in more migrants than ever before,
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Speaker 13: but the data shows that this just isn't working. Instead,
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Speaker 13: we actually have a pool of skilled Australians who are ready,
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Speaker 13: willing and able to work, but they can't because of
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Speaker 13: aggressive red tape and tax policies here in Australia. And
48:46
Speaker 13: that's because if they want to work, our veterans and
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Speaker 13: pensioners attacked two thirds of their income, which returns them
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Speaker 13: from doing so.
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Speaker 1: That's a great point. But is it dumb this driving
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Speaker 1: down Australia. Just yes or no? Very quickly one ward answer.
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Speaker 13: Australian wages. They're suffering the moment because of the cost
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Speaker 13: of living crisis, and we have enough are really skilled workers.
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Speaker 2: Mia Schlick. We're going to have to leave it there.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time, really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Sorry about that, but that's it for me. I'll see
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Speaker 2: you tomorrow at six o'clock. And up now The Boat
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Speaker 2: Report with Denika de Giorgio