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Magdalene on Touring with Current Joys, Surf Curse, and DJesus | Delulu with Ryan Lu podcast #303 · Delulu with Ryan Lu

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America's true porn is celebrity culture and that we're fucking
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addicted to losing ourselves in strangers lives and being
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parasocial and you know, like. They're watching porn right now,
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watching us do that. Got to put some respect on New
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Mexico. When you say New Mexico, people
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are like Breaking Bad. Sickening, but they're going to
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say. But the vibes are meth.
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Hello DJ Lulu's and welcome back to Delulu.
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And today we are joined by gusty next pop culture icon.
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I literally mean this like I'm sure if McKee, because the fact
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that we have you here right now and you're going to be the
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biggest fucking mega star in the world.
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I mean this like I genuinely mean this.
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I heard your album and everything, but we are joined by
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Miss Everything herself, Magdalene Hi.
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Hi honey, that was such a sweet intro.
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Shaking, we have pop superstardom.
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In our mix. Are you kidding me?
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Hi. How?
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Are you welcome in? I'm so happy to be.
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Here, this is so cool. We met last week.
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We did, and we fall in love. Connected instantly.
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It was so funny. Literally, we were in line for a
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carpet that we're doing together and I was telling you how my
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shoe was falling apart. And then when we're leaving this
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event, your shoe literally fell. Apart my full heel came off it.
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Literally came off. You limped out of that venue.
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That's what I get for buying vintage.
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I mean, it was so cute though. I know you.
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Walked. It was part of the performance.
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100% you're committed. Damn heels fall apart.
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But Magdalene, this is your introduction to the fucking
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world, and we're so excited to get to know you.
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But can we get to know a little bit more about you?
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Give us a little bit of the lore.
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I know that you have actually been on the scene for like a
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decade now. You've done a lot.
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Yeah, I've been around the block you.
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Have been around the block. But just not in the yeah, not in
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the pop scene. I was in the indie world for a
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moment in. The indie world and now you
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crossed over to Pop. So give us the Laura.
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What was going on over there? I've toured in indie rock bands
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for like 5 years. That was my early 20s.
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Was touring in the indie rock bands.
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I played in a band called Current Joys in a band called
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Surf Curse. Oh.
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My gosh, I love current joys. Me too, they're really cool.
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I live It was honestly the most formative years of my life and
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how awesome. Like what?
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A rock star existence. Dude so crazy like I so young
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too and I just kind of like fell into it honestly.
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Like I, I was in college and I dropped out and I had a friend
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named Rob Tilden. His he has a project called Boyo
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and he grew up in LA and he was like in the scene, the indie
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rock scene, like with girl pool and like current joys and surf
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curse and like everyone playing at the smell, which is like this
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iconic downtown venue, like in a back alley way that like
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everyone kind of got their start at.
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And I just like didn't have a lot of friends that I connected
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with at school. And I was just like, fuck this.
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Like I, it's a miracle I graduated high school.
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I was going to school for music and I like still couldn't pass.
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I just like don't. Well, in school you don't need
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school. You're.
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Fine, thanks. I was like the most uninspired
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I've ever been. I told they got that.
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It just doesn't. It feels like, like, kind of
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like, like caged like that. You're gonna feel like
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suffocated, you know? Yeah, I just like don't.
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It made me. I was so uninspired.
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It's like when I like tried to take like guitar lessons or
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piano lessons, like it felt like a chore and I didn't want to do
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it anymore. Like I had to just teach myself.
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Oh yeah. Or else, I don't know, it just
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like feels like. A chore.
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Presenting it, yeah. I don't know.
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I just don't do well in a school context.
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I'm off like ADHD down. Yeah, it's like maybe more Type
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B. You want like the freedom?
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I'm so type B babe, like I'm fighting for my fucking life.
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Every day so I'm super type. AI could see that yin and Yang
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honey. There you go, we love it.
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Yeah, but yeah, so my friend Rob kind of like introduced, he was
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like, yeah, yeah, come hang out with my friends and took me to
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some shows and I met that kind of that whole crew of people
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and. But none of them really knew I
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played music and I, you know, like I went to school for
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songwriting, but I grew up in New Mexico.
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So like we don't nobody tours through New Mexico.
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Like I would like busk outside of Starbucks.
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That was like the extent of my performance experience.
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Like there wasn't shows to even go to like you.
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Gotta get out of there then 'cause you wanted to do like an
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artist project you wanted. To do music, fuck yeah.
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And just like a. Big music scene over there.
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No, there's no music scene. Maybe a little more now, I don't
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know. It's kind of like period.
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Not actually. It's like getting gentrified as
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fuck after quarantine but. You're going to bring respect to
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New Mexico's name. Yeah, we've got to put some
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respect on New Mexico. Like right now when you say New
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Mexico, people are like Breaking Bad.
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Which sickening. Best show ever.
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Sickening. But but they were going to say.
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But the vibes are meth, you know what I mean?
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Breaking Bad, the vibe is giving.
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We got to change. That we got to change the
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narrative. Yeah, we're rebranding New
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Mexico, OK. Absolutely.
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But yeah, I mean, New Mexico, amazing place, gorgeous,
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culturally rich, like, amazing place.
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But no, there's not a lot going on there.
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So, yeah, I, like, hadn't played shows and stuff.
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I, like, knew I wanted to do music since I was a kid.
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I've been writing songs since I was, like, a little kid.
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Yeah. Like I used to punish my play
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dates, like been like we're writing a song, but and I like
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went through my old journals like as a child and I was like
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writing so. You were about it.
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Oh no, I been, I'm true to this. I'm true to this.
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And I was musical theatre like I've just been.
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I've always done it. I don't know.
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It was never like a what's Maddie going to do?
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Growing up, It was always like. You're going to be a superstar.
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Thank you. I'm trying.
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With this, then, you know, you're doing musical theater and
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you said you've been songwriting forever.
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Do you like performing more than making the music?
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Writing the music, I'm curious about that because I just
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performed for the first time, like ever, like last week, and I
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surprisingly loved it. But I usually love writing the
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music. So I was like, interesting.
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I didn't know that about me. Yeah, I think I love it for
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different reasons, because I making the music.
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I think this experience making music is very different than
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it's ever been in the past. Like I was self produced because
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I had a project before this called Your Angel.
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And then I have this kind of run of singles.
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Yeah, Magdalene's like a new project, but this run of
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singles. But I've been self produced like
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I've always been self produced. And I would just sit in my house
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alone and produce and write it myself.
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And then after the fact, I'd have some friends like touch it
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and whatever. And that was always like very
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sacred and spiritual for me and very like, I don't know, I think
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I always like growing up would like lock myself, like making
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music was how I like process the world around me always.
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So that's like how I but I feel like ever since I've moved into
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pop, I think it still feels that way making it, but like the
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performance of it feels so cathartic and the I feel like
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I'm like tapping into a part of myself that is like was there
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when I was a kid when I did musical theater and stuff.
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And then I kind of pushed down after because I was like indie,
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like, I don't know, the swag of like indie bandits.
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Like we're in the clothes. We fucking walked on the street
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from from the street to the stage.
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Like we don't give a fuck. And like, yeah, it's like a
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whole different. There's no theatrics.
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Like it was just like, yeah, like T-shirt.
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Like I would be like fucking like, beer in one hand,
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cigarette in another, like playing the keys, You know what
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I mean? So.
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And I feel like I just kind of like lost touch with my, like,
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theatrical, like you're a kid. It totally is.
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Yeah. But I just kind of like, I don't
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know, I, you know, Oh, Liv, Lovely.
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Sorry. Greatest show ever.
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Sue Sylvester is one of the most brilliant characters ever.
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She's. So iconic she's.
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So funny I I started rewatching Glee recently actually.
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I'm going to have to do. That it's I've been cackling by
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myself in my house, cackling out loud.
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It's so funny. Personally think it aged really
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well. And you know what?
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Spill. Everyone and I hated her growing
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up to Rachel Berry. Rewatching, I'm like that bitch
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literally like stood on visit. She believed in herself.
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She lifted people up around her. I was like, she was actually the
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realist bitch in that show. She was.
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The original delulu. She was about it.
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Literally, yeah. She was absolutely.
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And you know what? I got that because yes, people
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hated on her, but I was like. No, she's me.
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She. She she knew she was a star and
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she was and she was, and she was right.
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Period. Period.
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Yeah, it's good for her. Precisely.
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I feel like I'm a Rachel Berry rising personally.
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So like I got. A yeah, 100%.
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You see that for me, I actually really do.
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Because she's also got a really type A moving, honest and.
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She's yeah. You guys have the same like
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essence? Oh my God, I don't know if
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that's good or bad, but that will take.
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It not derogatory, not not Rachel Berry derogatory.
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Rachel Berry Complimentary. Yes.
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We love it, we take it, we take it.
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So we love Glee. You've loved Glee.
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Music athlete was a big influence for you too.
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Totally, totally. Yeah.
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I kind of lost touch with that for some reason.
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Really just like going to. The indie scene.
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Yeah, and I guess. It's a different crowd.
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Too, I think like in my early 20s, looking back in hindsight,
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I was like so repressed, like I think I'm just like a very like
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I've like traumatized person. And I think that like in my
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early 20s, like sifting through that to like.
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Like processing it too and like going through it and dealing
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with that and then. Also like.
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Just trying to make art at the same time.
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For sure. I think it just like it for a
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second, I like kind of I left New Mexico and I was like
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different traffic. Like I would talk about my past
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self like as if it was a different person.
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Like I kind of was just like, no, this is my new life.
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And yeah, I don't know, something just like kind of got
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lost along the way. But then I, I feel like, I like,
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and I think honestly, that's just like going through your
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20s. I think it's like you're, you're
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working through, you know, you're like becoming an
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independent human being and you're kind of like growing up.
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And I feel like the older you get, the closer to your child's
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self, like inner child you become because the more you get
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to know yourself, the closer you get to like the essence of who
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you truly are. So maybe that had something to
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do with it and more of the. Freedom for it too, because I
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think especially when you're in your early 20s and I'm 29, so
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when you're in your early 20s, it's like really easy to be
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impressionable. Like, go with the crowd, see
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what's up, especially in the scenes that you're in and the
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people that you. You're figuring it out.
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You're just doing everything 100%.
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And it's also really fun. Totally.
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It has to happen. Oh yeah, Canon event for sure.
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Definitely. I mean, I feel like your New
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Mexico roots is it's bleeding through in your art right now
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too, because the DJ Jesus music video and we're gonna deep dive
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on that because I love that video so much.
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It's on the mood board funny, but you have like this glam
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desert aesthetic, you know what I mean?
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And I just feel like you bring this grittiness and even like
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this rock edge to like what is going to be and it already is
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iconic pop music. You know what I mean?
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Because you remind me of like I was reading your comments on
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your TikTok and you were getting Madonna ex Lady Gaga love child
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allegations and honestly. Literally honor Oh my mother's.
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Absolutely. And I see it 100%.
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That's why I'm like, gags that you're sitting on the Duluth
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couch right now. Oh my.
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God, like what? What?
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That's crazy. You're an.
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Icon. What the fuck?
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Wait. But.
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I see the influences like especially the New Mexico, like,
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is that intentional when going into this project because this
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is a different project for you. You said that you had a
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different project before, and then this is like your artist
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name, your new presence, like what's going on here?
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I think that, yeah, this project is the truest to who I am, I
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think that I've ever been. And I think when I was like
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making other pop music, it was almost this like character that
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I put on in Magdalene. Of course, like is an unhinged
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bitch. Like, really, it's a character
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as well, but it's very much like the essence of me and my
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upbringing. And I think the album itself is
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very like, it kind of goes from like my teenage years up until
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present time and like tells that story like a musical almost.
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And I was going to say absolutely, I think.
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Plays like a It plays like a musical.
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Thank you. I love that.
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That's a huge compliment. I love the album just get into
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it everyone please know in advance I said on slush puppies
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episode I love the album. I'm going to say it here like.
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Thank you, honey. Really a great album, but thank
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you. Yeah, that's so.
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That's interesting because I was wondering because like with
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Magdalene, it's such a powerful stage name and it's such a
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powerful presence. It obviously has the religious
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undertone. So I was wondering like how
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connected you are as a person to this artist project, but you're
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saying it's like personal to you too?
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Yeah, extremely. I mean, it is like me, you know,
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I think just an exaggerated kind of unhinged version, but it's
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like very much the most me thing I've ever created.
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I. Feel so.
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Good. Oh, it's so fulfilling.
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I think like the whole desert trash of it all like I think
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that desert trash. I think when you grow up in the
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desert, like the desert is a very specific environment.
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I think that growing up in the desert is like very.
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And anybody you talk to who did like.
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Because a couple reasons and specifically New Mexico, I think
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like humans aren't meant to survive in the desert first of
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all. So it's almost like the land is
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energetically like rejecting like, like humans being there
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and also like a lot of like genocide happened on that land.
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It's it there's a deep, deep heaviness to it has a lot of
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trauma. Yeah.
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And I think that like, yeah, the desert Santa Fe where I grew up,
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it's like an energy vortex, like, and it's so gorgeous, but
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it's met with this like, really dark, like underbelly and like,
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a lot of tragedy happens there. I lost a lot of friends really
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young. Like, there's a lot of drugs
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there. There's a lot, you know, it's
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like, it just an intense. Yeah.
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Like the desert is just weird and weird shit happens in the
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desert and it attracts very strange people.
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And I think that like when you grow up in a place like that, it
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like truly shapes you as a human being.
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Obviously anywhere anyone grows up, but.
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Especially in a place that can feel energetically turbulent.
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Right. And that's so the beauty is so
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stark, like people travel to Santa Fe because it's so
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beautiful. I think it's most beautiful
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place on the planet. Like it's gorgeous.
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And I think that that like you should, it's honestly a really
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special place. It's bizarre.
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You'll kind of feel the heaviness, but it's sick because
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it's like the native culture is super preserved and like
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enriched and like it's very culturally rich in a way that
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like I think a lot of places in America aren't.
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And I feel like privilege in hindsight, I didn't realize it
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growing up, but in hindsight, I'm like, like most my teachers
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were made native. Like I got to like learn the
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like actual history of America and like it was a really cool
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place to grow up in that sense, but it was really hard in other
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ways. And I think it, you know, like,
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for some reason, the desert landscape feels so crucial to
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this project. Like it's just like a part of it
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for me. Too, Definitely, yeah.
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I think you're carrying that part of your identity with this
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project too, because especially saying it's the most you, yeah.
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It just feels the, I don't know, it just has to be that way, Just
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feels where it lives. And we made it in the desert.
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We went out to Joshua Tree to make it.
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Is that where? You guys filmed the music video
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for DJ Jesus? No, we filmed that in Santa
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Clarita. Oh, that was also super sick.
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But you made the album Joshua Tree.
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Yeah. Clock OK, let's get into that
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but I I do want to talk about DJ Jesus, I want to talk about the
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song I want to talk about the video and I want to talk about
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everything I love this song I literally wanted to post this on
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my Instagram story. I did post it and I deleted and
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I post it again. But basically I was like, I have
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not been this excited about a lead single from a pop girl in a
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really long time. And the only reason I deleted it
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was because I was like, Oh my God, all my pop star friends are
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going to see this and be like, hey, you know what I mean?
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So I was like, OK, wait, let me rephrase this.
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They don't watch the show. So I'm going to say it here, but
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I have not been genuinely humanly excited about a song in
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a long time. So like Charlie, our publicist,
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my publicist, he was telling me about you and this song like
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weeks ago. And I'm very much like, I'm very
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critical. I'm very skeptical because you
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have to hear the song. And I was like, OK, Charlie.
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And he plays it for me. And the second it starts, I was
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like, oh, yeah, this is good. I immediately locked in.
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I was like, oh, this is good. This is a smash immediately.
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And I was like, holy shit, what is this?
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And then he was like, you have to see the music video.
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And then I was like, what is going on?
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You created such a world. Like, honestly, can I be the
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first to throw the industry plant allegation at you?
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Like everywhere. So quality.
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Thank you. Nepotism.
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Allegation clash that yeah, nepotism industry plant.
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That's the goal. Let's get those allegations
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rolling. Alligate it for you Reddit.
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Run with it. It's.
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Because hunt to be industry plant allegations.
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I'm like, I wish honey, that's a compliment.
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I fucking I would give anything to be an industry plant to.
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Plant me Hollywood. You heard it.
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Here first, I know if I'm a plant, they're not doing a very
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good job planting me, I'll tell you that much.
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What are I? Literally tell my team I'm like
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if it's the end of 2026 and I don't get industry plant or
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nipple baby allegations, we fail.
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Yeah, we. We need to go harder, we need to
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try harder, but like, I'm going to allocate that for you because
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everything is so quality. The song itself, it is just so
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dynamic and interesting and fresh.
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What? And then the music video, I, I
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asked you, I was like, this had to be fucking expensive, holy
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shit. Because it looks so well done.
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It was so cinematic. It is on the mood board for when
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I'm doing my videos, but it's so dynamic.
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Let's talk about the song. How did the song come about?
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The song came about, I got put in a session randomly with slush
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puppy and which I really slipped through the cracks.
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I think like I don't I think he wasn't really like taking new
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sessions at the time. Like I don't know how it ended
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up that I ended up in that room, but it was just us.
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And he was like literally think DJ Jesus, because I remember him
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being like, oh, it's so crazy. Like I haven't had a session
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with a new person in like months like but work.
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And we just like clicked immediately and had so much fun
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and like it. The song just came out so fast,
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like, we made it in like a couple hours, Yeah.
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And we made the majority. We made the whole song, except
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then after the fact we added a bridge.
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Yeah. He played me the first run.
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Oh. Really.
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He played it for me and I was like, holy crap.
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It was very, very done. You know what?
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I mean, yeah, 100%. I mean, Sam's fucking amazing.
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Way more elements for the final but like.
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Yes, but Sam Smash is it first pass?
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Always, always. Oh my God, He's yeah.
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We just like connected so much. We had so much fun.
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It was so easy. We worked so well together.
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Like we just had such a fun. And we, I think we work very
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similarly. Like we're both just like, you
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know, like I feel like it comes pouring out of both of us and
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we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, like we just kind of like, yeah.
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And I think I fuck with working with Sam a lot because he just
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like lets the session happen. Like sometimes I feel like you
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work with people and it's like they're overthinking it.
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They're thinking too much about like, well, this part of the
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line, like the end of the day, it's like just let it fucking
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run. And if the song sucks at the
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end, then don't put it out, but just let the session be.
19:41
Let it be what it's gonna be. Don't like think about it.
19:44
Just like make something. And Sam works that way.
19:46
It's just like, like you just like make it.
19:48
Witness that. It was crazy yeah.
19:50
Literally everything you're describing, like I, I have never
19:52
written or worked like that. I'm very meticulous about
19:54
things. But it was very much like record
19:56
this. Yeah, you know, it's like.
19:58
That's how you get the best shit, babe.
19:59
Oh, it's the best. Shit that's crazy.
20:01
And then DJ Jesus is a smash. That's the first one that y'all
20:03
did together. Yeah, the day we met.
20:05
That's crazy. And then?
20:06
Like the first time we met. Y'all decided to keep going,
20:08
like, keep making music like. How did that come about?
20:12
Honestly, Sam's so funny, dude. He like, he's like, we finished
20:16
the session. He like had another session.
20:19
And then I just like my phone was ringing at like 8:00 that
20:23
night and I look and it was him and I was like, what the fuck?
20:25
I pick up and he's like, hey, I want to get dinner.
20:27
And I was like, yeah. And he just like, I don't know,
20:33
Sam's funny that way. I think like when he like
20:36
someone or like think someone is a good person, he's just like, I
20:38
want to be your friend. And so we just like became
20:41
friends. Like he just called me that day
20:42
and was like, I want to go to dinner.
20:43
And then we were just like homies after that.
20:45
And I think we worked so well together.
20:47
And he really like saw the vision.
20:51
And so, yeah, we just, he like made time for me and worked at
20:55
night and after his sessions and stuff to, you know, do it with
21:01
me and yeah, so fun. That's incredible.
21:06
Yeah, the project is so strong and cohesive and like, I know he
21:10
did the majority of the album. Yeah, yeah, he did all that.
21:13
He Yeah. I think, like, the thing that
21:16
makes Sam a really amazing producer is he like, obviously
21:22
technical skill. He's so he's a great musician.
21:25
He's a great producer. Yeah, yeah.
21:28
He's a great writer and producer.
21:29
But also Sam has this ability to, like, see in someone what's
21:34
special and makes them different and then, like, pull it to the
21:36
forefront. And I think sometimes it's hard
21:38
to, like, see that within. It's hard to perceive yourself.
21:41
But he just has this gift where he has, like, a deep intuition
21:45
and, like, sees what makes someone special and pulls it out
21:47
of them. And I feel like he did that for
21:49
me, like, especially with like the way I sing and stuff.
21:52
Like if you listen to the music I was putting out before this,
21:56
like I'm very like dreamy and whatever.
21:59
And. And he was just like, you're not
22:01
using your voice the way you should.
22:03
Oh, yeah. And I was like, what's the fuck?
22:05
Yeah. He was just like, you can like
22:06
go operatic. You have this low.
22:08
He was like, what are you doing? And I was like.
22:10
Fuck I like that though. Like he's stepping in.
22:12
No, no. And he's so honest and real and
22:14
he just like, clocks you and like this 24 year old little
22:18
fucker, I'm like, God damn it, you're right.
22:21
Yeah. He like, clocked me.
22:22
I was like, Jesus fucking Christ, like, you're right.
22:25
Yeah. And here we go.
22:26
But he just kind of pulled out this voice that I would, like,
22:28
always sing in when I was alone or like singing other people's
22:30
songs or singing musical theatre songs or whatever.
22:32
And he was just like, why aren't you doing that?
22:34
And I was like, why? Are you singing if you're not?
22:35
I don't know. I was like, I don't know,
22:37
actually, that's a really good question.
22:39
Here we are. We're.
22:40
Going to do it now, yeah. Damn.
22:41
That's crazy. Yeah, so I feel like this album
22:43
was like very much a collaboration in terms of like,
22:47
him bringing things out of me that I wasn't necessarily like,
22:50
accessing before a. 100%. Yeah, which is really special
22:53
and fun and like, exciting. I mean it really shows too, like
22:56
it feels like it's fun, like making it.
22:58
You can hear it too in the music and how it translates too.
23:01
We had so much fun and it just this group of people who made it
23:04
like it poured like especially after we went to the desert, we
23:07
started it there and then came back and finished it and it was
23:10
just everyday like song Kong song.
23:11
Like we made this album so fast. It was like pouring out of us.
23:14
Oh my. Gosh, wait, how long was like
23:16
the sessions for? Like like after we after Joshua
23:21
Tree, it was probably like 2 to three months holy.
23:24
Shit. Like it just like came pouring
23:27
out of all of us. Like we all just like tapped
23:30
into the Magdalene vibe and like everyone was just like tapped
23:33
into that energy and like the world and the story and like
23:38
everyone was just like in the character of Magdalene.
23:40
It was so funny. Like all of us were like walking
23:42
around, like talking, like Miss Hannigan, like it was desert
23:46
glam. Miss Hannigan down.
23:49
Oh my God, love. Embodied, embodied down.
23:52
OK, I love that. Wait, so why do we know DJ Jesus
23:55
was the first single for your album The Lead?
23:58
How do we know? Because it was the first song
24:00
you did. Yeah, you know, kind of crazy.
24:02
I don't know. We all were just like, yeah, it
24:04
is. You're like.
24:05
This is the one. Yeah, I just feel like it always
24:07
was we. Agree, when I listened to the
24:09
album and we got to that song I was like gag.
24:12
It was like the first song we made for the album.
24:15
It just felt like it captured it and like, I don't know, it just
24:19
was none of us. It wasn't even like a
24:20
conversation. We all were just like, yeah,
24:22
obviously DJ Jesus is the lead single.
24:25
Yeah, from my perspective too, just because like with
24:27
Magdalene, DJ Jesus, there's a lot of religious undertones on
24:30
this album as well. It's just like really like a
24:33
really good representation for this project.
24:36
The religious undertones. Yeah, DJ Jesus.
24:38
Oh. Yeah, yeah, the.
24:38
Album itself and then, you know, Magdalene, everything, like it's
24:41
all tied together. It's super cohesive.
24:43
Thank you. We're.
24:44
Gonna get into that. OK, we're gonna get into that.
24:46
But first I want to talk about the music video for DJ Jesus.
24:49
Can I say one thing? Yes, please.
24:51
The Lulu it's So what? Thanks.
24:56
My God that video is insane. Thank you.
24:59
And then you being kidnapped, the cultiness of it, and then
25:03
you told me that you had like your fans in the video.
25:06
Yeah, you just like your. Fans.
25:07
That's crazy. They looked so sickening hot.
25:10
I was like, why are your fans so hot?
25:11
What? Dude, they're they were so
25:13
sickening and cool. Like, yeah, I live for them.
25:16
It was so fun. Yeah I just like posted because
25:19
I have no money babe. Like I we DIY the fuck out of
25:22
that video. Never.
25:23
Have imagined that what the frickity frack it is.
25:25
Oh my God, I worked so hard on that video because I produced it
25:28
myself. It is so good.
25:30
I'm I couldn't like. That's so good.
25:32
Thanks, honey. Yeah, no, the extras were
25:34
everything like we like I just posted on my story.
25:38
I shouted to the girlies like I posted on my Instagram story and
25:42
then looked through the people who responded and like picked
25:46
out, but not even that like I just kind of quickly just was
25:48
like D Ming people who like. Looked cool, like we're gonna
25:51
make this. Happen and they showed up and
25:52
they were like the best fucking vibe ever was freezing fucking
25:55
cold. They were like in their tiny
25:57
little, I don't know, it was coldest, but well during the day
25:59
it was kind of hot and then when the sun started going down so
26:02
then your body really doesn't have time to adjust.
26:04
It's like it was freezing. They had such they were all such
26:08
troopers and like so down, so worth it.
26:11
They were everything. Oh my God, they were
26:12
coordinated. And you had a cameo by Snow
26:14
Wife, Miss Snow wife. How sick is that?
26:17
I mean, you're. My sister.
26:18
Yeah, it's my sister. Literally.
26:20
Literally. I live for her.
26:21
She literally just like was there because she is just a
26:26
supportive, amazing friend in person and was just like, yeah,
26:29
like, come hang out. I have nothing to do today.
26:32
And then the director was like, snow get in.
26:34
And so she just was like, OK, yeah, it's my sister.
26:39
I live for her. She's everything.
26:41
Yeah. And Slash works with her a lot
26:42
too. Yes.
26:43
Yeah, that's so cool. But me and Snow actually met
26:46
like before she was doing music, like when she was like 19
26:49
randomly through my friend Lucy Blue, who passed away a couple
26:56
years ago. But she, it feels like she like,
27:01
gifted us to each other, you know, But then we didn't see
27:04
each other for a few years. But I, we have followed each
27:07
other. So I always saw like, what she
27:08
was doing. Yeah, what's up?
27:10
And then, yeah, then I got put in a random session with Sam.
27:13
And then, like, I put it together.
27:15
They like, work together. And I was like, oh, what's the
27:17
fun? Yeah.
27:19
And then like we had met once and Lucy was like Maddie Snow,
27:24
like wants to, wants to do music.
27:27
Like we talked to her about it and she we like sat outside this
27:30
party. We're at like, randomly at like
27:32
Leonardo Dicaprio's like house girl.
27:34
What is your life? What?
27:35
I don't know. Like we're, I don't know.
27:38
And we're sitting outside and yeah, I was just kind of like,
27:43
she was like, Oh yeah. Like telling me about like,
27:45
different people who are coming into your life and whatever.
27:49
And I was just like, oh, that sounds sketchy.
27:50
You don't do that. Like, this is cool.
27:52
You are the like, you know what's best for you.
27:54
Like you're you know what the fuck?
27:56
And then, yeah, she took off. And like, we didn't see each
27:59
other and we reconnected. I love her.
28:02
Absolutely. That's so sick.
28:04
She's a good girl. Oh yeah, you guys are super
28:05
cool. I feel like you're both in this
28:06
world of like just really like that, you know, the Ellie scene
28:10
and the Pop gurlies, you guys bring so much more edge and like
28:13
just so cool and hip and like I just, it's so fresh to me, you
28:16
know? Thanks.
28:17
I feel like you both have that energy which is super cool.
28:19
We're just some real bitches and.
28:22
Then she was a real bitch for gang in the video.
28:24
Yeah, no, that's my sister. She's everything.
28:26
Was that big ass cross you were carrying during the bridge
28:28
actually heavy? No, it's like wood.
28:31
It's like, I mean maybe no no no I could carry it myself, OK T
28:35
like I could lift it myself. It was literally just like 2
28:38
planks of wood painted black. I would not have imagined this
28:41
was a DIY video. Honey.
28:43
Like I was like, damn, a record label invested.
28:46
Baby, I do not have a record deal that.
28:49
Is so. Like clock that they're about
28:51
it. Lock in.
28:54
Oh my. God, they're going to like that.
28:56
I need the I'm like, I don't have any money left for the next
28:59
1 so somebody come on. We got to get on this.
29:02
Project. 100% Oh my God, pay me. Pay me please.
29:09
OK, we'll pray to DJ Jesus. What's happening then?
29:13
What video? Sickening.
29:14
Oh my God. What's your favorite part about
29:15
it? I loved when you're in the
29:17
trailer and then they had like the microphone stuff like hooked
29:21
up to them like an. Injected into their veins.
29:24
What so camp? Oh my God.
29:26
And you looked so crazy, but like, Oh my God, it was so.
29:30
Good damn. Thanks, honey.
29:31
You're. Performing for your life.
29:33
Oh, always. Rent was due.
29:35
Yes, period. Oh, I'm so proud of that video.
29:38
Really you should. Be I've watched it so many.
29:40
Times. Thank you.
29:42
Yeah, I wanted to capture just like the cult of Christianity,
29:45
you know what I mean, One. 100% and you did.
29:48
Thank you. Oh.
29:48
My God, you got them dancing. We had them possessed on the
29:52
dance. Oh my gosh, at the end of the
29:54
bridge when they all start looking up and the light comes
29:57
up on. Them, and then it reveals and
29:58
they're also such baddies. Baddies.
30:02
Oh my God, that video I why I can literally tell you're video
30:05
frame by frame right now. Like the flyer, the car, the
30:10
kidnapping, the trailer. Oh my.
30:13
I'm about a storyboard. Literally I.
30:16
Love that. Video Oh honey, that's so sweet.
30:18
Thank you. Oh my God, absolutely.
30:20
You're a huge inspo for me personally too because I'm like
30:22
what the fuck you did on a budget?
30:23
What? Girl, if you put your mind to
30:26
it, you can make anything happen.
30:27
You just got to be a hustler and a finesser.
30:29
We loves to hear it and any record labels or investors,
30:32
let's get on this. Let's go ahead and reach out
30:35
magdalene10000@gmail.com. Please contact her PR for any
30:41
press opportunities. Charlie at.
30:43
So let's talk about the debut album.
30:46
Oh my God, DJ Jesus is just a taste of what is coming up next
30:50
and you're going to be rolling out a few more singles before
30:51
the album comes out. But this album is so looking
30:54
sickening. What?
30:55
Oh my God, I'm so gagged by you girl.
30:57
Like you were giving the girls and the gays everything they
30:59
could ever want. Like as a gay all I want is to
31:02
be gagged genuinely. And.
31:04
I'm like, wait. Yeah.
31:06
You're doing it boots. Good.
31:08
That's the goal. Let's talk about the album.
31:10
So do you. Is this, is this like a concept
31:12
album for you? I know there's a lot of
31:14
religious undertones in this project with the titles, with
31:17
the lyric, like what's going on here?
31:20
I think even more than religion, I feel like it's kind of end up
31:25
being like American, like a commentary on America.
31:28
And then religion obviously ties into that.
31:30
Yeah, very much, especially right now.
31:33
And you know, how religion plays into like our politics and
31:37
whatever. Very.
31:38
Socially aware. Yeah, I mean, I think it's hard
31:42
times. It's scary times right now.
31:44
So it's kind of like hard not to.
31:46
And I think I've always, like been somebody who like, writes.
31:49
I'm like, so confessionally and like this album, like it just
31:54
like brought out like a lot of like satirical anger and like,
32:01
it's kind of like, it's, yeah, it's definitely like very
32:05
theatrical that way. It's kind of funny.
32:07
It's kind of like stupid. It's kind of, you know, it's
32:10
camp, but it is a commentary. A musical we talked about.
32:14
It plays like theater to me. Thank you.
32:17
Jesus, I'm so sorry of a golf. It plays like theater to me,
32:20
especially with the opener and going into the album, especially
32:23
with the opener, I wouldn't have expected that.
32:24
I'm not going to give anything away, but when the when the
32:26
album opens, I'm like, oh, very interesting and different from
32:29
like something you would expect from like coming off a DJ Jesus.
32:32
I know. I feel like anytime I send the
32:34
link to people, they're like, yeah, I clicked on it and I
32:35
thought I was listening to the wrong thing for a second.
32:37
I looked with you, yeah. Oh my gosh, yeah.
32:40
You, like, sat there in the car with Charlie and we were
32:44
listening to the album and we were gagged.
32:46
And as it progressed, I was like, this is literally, this
32:48
feels like a play. Oh.
32:49
Thank you, that's how I want it to feel A. 100% like the musical
32:52
theatre influence is like really apparent on it.
32:54
Like it's really dramatic and big and like bold and like what
32:58
a bold debut. Oh, that's what the press are
33:00
going to say when the album comes out.
33:01
Oh, I hope I point out first. So maybe like a bold, ambitious
33:05
debut album? Oh.
33:07
OK, you might need. To write that.
33:09
We're copywriting that. We're copywriting that.
33:10
We're like. Don't let the press take that.
33:13
Don't let the press take that one, OK?
33:14
They can have it. They can have it.
33:16
Talk about it, please. You're so generous.
33:18
Yes, I mean anything, anything from my DJ Jesus, that's you.
33:21
That's you to me. What a great album.
33:24
Thank you. So going through bringing the
33:26
process of the album, like you said, you started in Joshua
33:27
Tree, you worked on it for the next two to three months.
33:29
You wrapped it up like this is like you, yeah, this albums you
33:34
fuck. That's crazy and it's so good.
33:36
Thank you. Yeah, it's kind of a crazy
33:38
experience. It definitely like I didn't
33:40
intend for. I didn't go into it like being
33:46
like, oh, this is a concept album about this.
33:48
It kind of just ended up and it is very personal in a lot of
33:52
ways. Like just like I feel like there
33:54
are songs that are very personal and like about my teen years and
33:58
kind of my experiences, like because I definitely got wrapped
34:02
up with some like gnarly people when I was young and that was
34:05
doing a lot of drugs. And I'm like sober now and
34:08
whatever I've had like an I've lived many lives.
34:12
But yeah, yeah, 100% it really feels like that.
34:18
And but yeah, I didn't really expect for like the like the
34:23
America of it all. Like that just ended up coming
34:26
out. And I guess it makes sense why.
34:27
I mean, it's like, so there's, I mean, this country is really
34:32
crazy right now and really like disgusting shit is happening.
34:36
So it's kind of hard not to talk about.
34:38
Your opinion on something in America?
34:41
Yes. OK, let's talk about it.
34:42
Let's get into it. You're.
34:43
It feels like you're very socially aware about everything.
34:46
I would love to know what are your thoughts on porn in the
34:49
USA? What do we think about it?
34:54
I think that. What do we have to say about
34:58
this? I think that America's true porn
35:02
is celebrity culture and that we're fucking addicted to losing
35:09
ourselves in strangers lives and being parasocial and you know,
35:15
like they're. Watching porn right now.
35:16
Watching us do. This yes.
35:17
And like it's it. It's like women are the Jesus of
35:21
the world. It's like these like female
35:23
celebrities are like, you know, lifted up and put on a pedestal
35:27
and everyone wants them to be sexy and beautiful and perfect
35:32
and serve choreo. And it's like the second day do
35:35
say something wrong, wear the wrong thing, put out a bad song.
35:39
It's like America just fucking crucifies you, you know what I
35:42
mean? And it's like this fall from
35:44
grace. And I think like and.
35:46
It feels like they're like, really rooting for that fall
35:48
from grace, especially in women in America.
35:51
In America. Especially in pop stars.
35:54
Yeah, 100%. But it is like people are
35:56
fucking addicted to celebrity culture and like knowing.
35:59
And I think especially like, like when I was growing up, you
36:04
know, it was more like tabloids and stuff and totes.
36:07
But there was this wall there. It was like all speculation.
36:09
It was paparazzi and people were obsessed.
36:11
But it's like now with social media where it's like direct,
36:14
like celebrities posting their shit and like, yeah, it's like
36:18
people are fucking addicted to it.
36:19
Like it is like they're porn. Like people get off getting so
36:24
and deeply involved in this like also fake scenario they've
36:28
made-up in their head around these people.
36:31
It's fucking weird. No, it's so weird.
36:34
It's like sinister. Honestly I'm such a victim in
36:37
that too. I love celebrity culture like
36:40
it's. Entertaining.
36:41
It's super entertaining. Yeah, there's just a line with
36:43
it. It's like, obviously they're
36:45
meant to be consumed, but it's like, I think when it comes to
36:49
like people's like personal shit and like speculation, it's like,
36:53
what are we like doing? And it obviously it's like
36:57
human, but sometimes it like gets taken way too far.
37:01
People get really obsessed. Like I think the obsession
37:05
around it where people get so involved in or like fighting
37:08
each other in comment section and you know what I mean?
37:10
It's just like it's a little too.
37:12
Invested. It's a little too invested.
37:14
It's a little bit like, let's clock back into your own life,
37:17
babe. Yeah, absolutely.
37:18
Touch some grass. Touch some grass.
37:19
We'll figure it out. Yeah.
37:20
Stream DJ Jesus Stream. Jesus.
37:23
First of all, congratulations on DJ Jesus, because actually, as
37:26
of today that we're filming this episode, today is the release
37:28
date for DJ Jesus. Yay.
37:30
What a moment in pop culture. Wait, let's.
37:32
Oh, DJ. Yeah.
37:35
Different DJ. I love it.
37:42
OK, cunt, so cunt. OK, I don't want to jump ahead
37:46
or get too ahead of ourselves, but you know, with DJ Jesus,
37:49
what's coming after this, We have the music video out, we're
37:51
rolling out the singles, we're rolling out this project, this
37:53
album. What can we expect next?
37:55
We're so excited. Next single will be performed in
38:00
the USA. In the USA, what?
38:03
Yeah, what's this? One about.
38:06
What we just talked about, you know what I mean?
38:09
But it's a very campy, yeah, kind of satirical way of saying
38:14
it. Oh yeah.
38:15
I'm excited to put it out. But we're such a.
38:17
Bold title for a song too. I know I think it might be hard
38:21
to market, but. You know.
38:22
Slash was talking. About that on his episode
38:24
because he has a song called Horror.
38:26
Yeah, impossible, right? Yeah, it's no worries.
38:30
No, no, we keep pushing. Good art rises.
38:34
Always, always, always, always. And it's going to keep going.
38:36
So that's the next single that's.
38:38
Next single. It's gonna like stay in this
38:40
world that we're in with DJ Jesus.
38:42
Yeah, I think so. I think like the album.
38:46
I think DJ Jesus is kind of like the most like poppy.
38:50
I'd I'd say the album is. It's very rock leaning.
38:53
It's very rock leaning definitely in like a like.
38:57
I've been describing it like like a fever.
39:00
You can't sweat out. Panic at the Disco meets
39:02
Chicago. The Musical meets like The Fame,
39:04
Lady Gaga. You actually absolutely nailed.
39:07
It you know what I mean. Yes.
39:08
Like I feel like that's the vibe and DJ Jesus is the most like
39:11
pop song on it. Yes, yeah, 100%.
39:16
I was playing the album for Nathan and he was like, this is
39:20
giving like early The Fame, Lady Gaga.
39:22
He was like, not the Fame Monster, but The Fame and I was
39:23
a clock. Yeah, I've been getting that a
39:25
lot, which is such a huge compliment 'cause obviously the
39:27
album was like so. 100% and that era of music was, in my opinion,
39:32
the best era of pop music. It's so good and.
39:35
You're bringing it back. Thank you.
39:36
Oh, thank you, DJ Jesus. I live 100%.
39:39
But yeah, it's very it's a very rockling project.
39:41
Like for sure listening to the album, getting to know it and
39:44
starting to live in that world for it.
39:46
It's like it's very symph driven.
39:48
It's maximalist. It's can't be.
39:50
It's satirical, it's fun, and like there's a lot of rock
39:53
elements on it too. Yeah, totally.
39:55
But not like pop rock, like a color Clarkson type thing.
39:57
But like what you're saying, like you actually.
39:59
Like rock star. Like almost.
40:00
It's almost. Chicago thing, yes.
40:01
Yeah, Chicago. It's like a little punky at
40:04
times. It's a little like like NCR
40:07
Panic at the disco Queen rock where it's like the harmonized
40:11
guitar. So like huge, like like rock
40:14
opera. But you know what?
40:16
I mean, definitely very glam too.
40:18
Yeah. Oh my God, I'm so excited for
40:19
the future video. Is that a label or investor are
40:21
going to fund? Thank you.
40:24
Clock, clock, clock. So what is the visual like
40:27
aesthetic for this Aaron album? Obviously you have a very
40:30
distinct style and like, I love everything that you've been
40:32
doing and obviously the DJ Jesus video kind, but what are we
40:36
imagining for this world with this album?
40:39
I mean, I think along the lines of DJ Jesus.
40:43
I think it's giving very like punk cabaret.
40:47
Hell yeah. Rockstar desert trash unhinged.
40:53
I was a bitch. Glittery desert.
40:55
You know, like, OK, here's how I would describe if it was me.
40:57
Let's say like you have an ATV in the desert and it's kicking
41:00
up all this dust, but the dust is glitter.
41:03
That's how I'm seeing that. Work.
41:05
I live for that. Yeah, it's very like sun kissed
41:08
desert trash fucking like. Uh huh.
41:12
Out covered in dirt, like piles of dirt.
41:15
Really. Yeah, it's like glamorous, but
41:18
you're. The outfit is dirty as fuck,
41:20
like you've been trapped out. Like the way I view it is like
41:25
yeah, it's worn. It's like this like group of
41:27
people living on the fringe of society in the desert in a cult.
41:31
And it's like this cabaret circus that they put on out in
41:35
the middle of nowhere. And it's like these songs I.
41:38
Mean what? A world.
41:39
You know what I mean? Like actually kind of your
41:41
nails, you're going to be like, wait, yes.
41:44
It's exactly that. Because I feel like right now,
41:47
without context, it's like, huh? Yeah, what?
41:49
Is she saying no? But honestly?
41:51
When you hear the album, it'll make sense.
41:53
You're nailing like what a strong visual identity and
41:55
artistic identity too. Thanks.
41:57
So, you know, when you started working on this project with
41:59
Slush, like, you know, you guys are hammering it out.
42:02
Like, was it intentional? Because I know there's a lot of
42:05
songs on the album with like, this religious undertone with
42:08
the titles and the lyric and stuff.
42:09
Like, was that intentional? Because Magdalene, this is like,
42:12
I'm not religious, guys. That's a religious thing.
42:15
Yeah. Like how intentional was that?
42:21
Somewhat, somewhat. I think that like, women in pop
42:26
music throughout pop history have.
42:30
Oh, yeah. Like referenced, yeah, religion.
42:34
Yeah. Turned religion on its head.
42:36
And a lot of gay artists have done that.
42:38
And I think that like, it's just.
42:42
I think the reason that is is like those people are the most
42:45
oppressed by that religion. And I think that turning it on
42:48
its head is kind of this like, fuck you a little bit and owning
42:53
it. Yeah.
42:54
And just like, I think like using it to your for, to your
42:58
advantage or your narrative. And you know what I mean?
43:03
Magdalene. The name.
43:04
I'm just like, I'm named after Mary Magdalene.
43:07
Oh, really? Like for real for real.
43:09
Yeah, Madeline, I know that. Yeah.
43:12
OK, Clock. So that was just kind of like
43:15
natural oh, that. Makes so.
43:17
Much sense, yeah. But I think, yeah, I think the
43:20
religious undertones, I mean, I grew up my family.
43:23
I grew up in New Mexico, but my family's from Texas.
43:25
And I was always surrounded by a lot of like conservative
43:29
Christianity. And that also shaped my view of
43:32
the world. Not how I thought, but just I
43:37
was very aware of. I'm happy you said that.
43:38
I was like, Oh my God, wait, where are we going?
43:40
You're like shit, cut the cameras, cut the cameras.
43:43
Like wait, Charlie, I'm about to panic.
43:45
Yeah. No, no, no, see, not you.
43:47
Yeah, no, not me, but because I mean, New Mexico's super
43:50
liberal, but you know, it's I have family and I went to summer
43:53
camp in Texas whenever I was very aware of that side of. 100.
43:57
Percent America Group in orange. County like South of.
43:59
Oh my God, yeah, Orange County's SO hub clock.
44:02
Clock exactly, so you get exactly.
44:04
They're living for Trump over there.
44:05
They're living. It's living.
44:07
Oh my God, it's I would. Literally.
44:09
Scary Drive home, see my parents, and they'll be like
44:11
giant Trump cutouts in the yards of.
44:13
People, how insane is that? Oh my God, it's horrifying.
44:15
Because I think it's really easy when you're like surrounded by
44:18
especially like in LA, like you're surrounded by such like
44:21
minded people. It's like easy to think that
44:23
that's the whole world. And it's like, it is crazy when
44:26
you go to like a place like Orange County.
44:29
I remember I was there over the summer and there was like a
44:30
fucking Trump parade. And I was like, whoa, like,
44:33
okay, work. Like, yeah, like this shit is,
44:36
this shit is like really out here.
44:37
It's very scary dairy. Yeah, it is.
44:39
It's really freaky. Yeah.
44:41
But yeah, it's just been always super on my radar.
44:44
And I think like I've always felt a little rebellious when it
44:47
comes to religion and I love that.
44:51
But like I'm a very spiritual person.
44:52
I think I feel very rebellious when it comes to man made
44:56
religion because there's such a difference between like religion
44:59
and spirituality in my opinion. And even like believing in God,
45:04
like a Christian God, Like I don't even I don't, that's
45:08
different to me than like the corporation of the fucking
45:11
Christian Church. You know what I mean?
45:13
Wait, I have a question. Do you feel or have you thought
45:16
about like I just thought of this right now because it's
45:18
never like registered to me. Do you feel like maybe
45:21
Christians might see the project you or DJ Jesus or the video as
45:25
blasphemy or like controversial? Has that been something that
45:29
like you thought about when you're like, I'm just doing?
45:31
Yeah, for sure. I know it's perceived as
45:34
sacrilegious, and it's kind of sacrilegious in nature, you know
45:39
what I mean? But it's a commentary and it's
45:41
like, you know, it's meant to start a conversation.
45:44
It's like not, of course I know what I'm, you know, what people
45:48
are going to say about that, But sometimes I think like art needs
45:53
to be a little polarizing and push the boundaries in order to
45:57
start important conversations. And like, if that, if the, you
46:02
know, reaction to that is me getting a bunch of hate from
46:04
Christians and work, and I hope people are having conversations
46:07
in my comment section about it, you know what I mean?
46:10
And I've already seen that, like I've already seen people in my
46:13
comment section kind of debating back and forth about it.
46:15
And that's like all I want with that, you know, that's like why
46:18
I'm, I think like I want to be the type of musician that like
46:21
pushes culture forward, you know, that's.
46:23
Genuinely what pop culture is. It should be, and I think
46:26
there's a lack of it right now. Oh.
46:27
There is, and you're bringing it back.
46:28
Let's go. Well, don't give me so much
46:31
credit, but. No, you are though, like I like
46:33
I listen not to glaze you or nothing, but like genuinely I'm
46:37
like I haven't seen another artist like debut and be so
46:40
interesting to me. OK.
46:41
Sunny, that's so nice. Thank you.
46:43
I'm. Tapped in I already heard the
46:44
song because you sent it to me a while ago but like every teaser
46:48
you did I was like yes I was like wait I'm so excited wait
46:51
gag like thank you Oh my God and it's just going to keep getting
46:55
there and I'm. Excited.
46:56
I'm so proud of it. I worked really fucking hard on.
47:00
It incredible debut. Genuinely what?
47:03
Like you should be proud of it. How do you feel like shaping the
47:05
album when you guys were making it?
47:07
You and Slush? Is he the executive producer on
47:09
it? Him and Dylan Harrison.
47:12
OK, how was like crafting this world together like making this
47:15
album? It was so so fun and I think all
47:19
of us brought because I produced 2 so we all did I.
47:23
Saw that in the credits. Yeah, yeah, clock.
47:25
But then the majority. But then, you know, sometimes
47:28
it's just easier for me to get on the computer than try and
47:30
explain what I'm wanting. But just 'cause I can.
47:35
But yeah, I think like Sam really brought, well, Sam's a
47:40
great pop writer. Sam makes great pop music, but I
47:43
feel like he also really brought the like, rock of it all.
47:45
And Sam's fucking amazing at guitar.
47:48
And he also kind of comes from that world as well.
47:50
And yeah, he like we really keyed about Panic at the Disco
47:54
when we met. Like, I feel like that was a
47:55
big. And Sam lives from musical
47:58
theatre. Like, I didn't know that he Oh
48:00
my God, you get him singing some musicals, baby, he'll like
48:02
perform for you. But I.
48:04
Need to see that. Yeah, he kind of brought that.
48:06
And then Dylan, like Dylan is such as student of pop music and
48:10
Dylan's young, Dylan's 21 and he's like Sam's Sam brought him
48:14
in and he's amazing. And he's such a student of pop
48:18
music. He has great fucking taste.
48:20
He just like knows. He's also worked with Adela.
48:23
Yeah, he worked with Adela. And a wife as well.
48:26
Yes, sickening. He's everything.
48:28
He, he's so talented. And yeah, he really brought like
48:33
we really like connected about like Madonna and really Madonna
48:37
like, yeah, we're both obsessed. And I feel like he kind of
48:41
brought this like like like the early 2000s, like very
48:46
primitive, like use of synths. Like before you could like
48:50
program everything, like synth lines were super like primitive
48:53
and whatever. We just like, I feel like we
48:54
loved like like 2005 to 2010 pop music and like, but like not, I
49:02
feel like, like the essence of it, not necessarily like making
49:05
it sound like that, just like the essence of that era.
49:09
Absolutely. You captured that vibe in that
49:11
world too, because like exactly what you're saying, it's like,
49:14
it's just, it's not sounding like that, but like the Sonic
49:17
world, it exists there. Yeah, totally.
49:19
And just like the. Yeah, just like the context of
49:22
it, I feel like it just has the essence of it, but it doesn't
49:25
necessarily like sound like it. Yeah.
49:28
It feels very modern too, just in general, like as a whole
49:31
projects, it sounds like it belongs.
49:33
Like it's a very exciting thing. Exciting, bold, pop, ambitious
49:37
debut Clock clock. I love it.
49:40
Wait, what a New Girl? Like I want to tell you, like, I
49:44
genuinely think it's like one of my favorite albums right now is,
49:46
well, it's when it comes out, but like I'm so excited about
49:50
it. Like I love cohesive projects.
49:52
Me too, I. Love the flow of it.
49:54
I love the pacing of it. Thank you.
49:56
I love the slower moments on it too, like it's just like really
50:01
well-rounded. Thank you so much.
50:03
Yeah. I love making albums.
50:04
I feel like for years, like I kept being told like by industry
50:08
people, like, it's singles, music videos don't matter.
50:12
I'm just like, honestly, fuck you.
50:14
Like, I would rather not be super huge and make cohesive
50:18
works of art that have sickening visuals in a world around it,
50:22
Then like, just do. Yeah.
50:24
Then just like, do singles, like, oh, I don't fucking care.
50:27
Like that's just, it's not fulfilling to me.
50:28
I'm like, then and then why am I like doing it?
50:31
It's just not as fun. Like that's why I like, that's
50:34
why I love pursuing music. It's like getting to make a Oh
50:40
yeah work of art. Oh my God, yes.
50:42
You know what I mean, Body. Of work.
50:43
Yeah, it's so fun and fulfilling and like creative, especially
50:47
when it's like you bring the visuals in and it's like this
50:49
well-rounded, just like explosion of creativity and
50:52
expression and like my, my inside my brain.
50:56
Like it's so fucking fun. It's so satisfying.
50:58
And then getting to perform it and like build the show and the
51:02
costumes and the props and like, I'm doing live band again, which
51:06
I stopped doing for a SEC. Wait, when are you performing?
51:09
I want to see. I don't know yet.
51:11
OK, but when you are and. I'll yeah, I'm going to be on
51:14
tour. I can't really say with who yet,
51:15
but. Oh my God, you're touring?
51:17
What gaggery? This year, yeah.
51:20
Guys, we all need to go. What?
51:22
Everyone needs to come. We I'm so I'm the. 1st it's
51:26
going to be so fun. I'm so excited.
51:30
Yeah, so. I'll let you know.
51:33
OK, yeah, we'll hold hands. Oh.
51:34
My God, please, I love that. Oh my God, I'm I'm going to be
51:38
pop and busty to DJ. Jesus.
51:40
Period. Period.
51:41
Block Okay Bestie Magdalene, I ask every guestie on the show
51:47
what their most delulu take is. What you got from me.
51:50
Your most delulu take could be silly, funny, controversial,
51:52
serious, whatevs. Whatever is your most delulu
51:55
take? I think my favorite thing to say
51:59
to people on the Internet, because everyone gets really
52:02
triggered by this, the Angelenos, the New Yorkers,
52:07
everyone's always arguing about which place is better.
52:10
And honey, I've lived in both. Fuck both of them.
52:14
And let me just say this. It's all the same people going
52:18
back and forth. It's all the same bitches,
52:20
people arguing about LA people versus New York people.
52:23
It's all the same people moving back and forth between both
52:27
places. Oh my God, I want to defend this
52:30
take, but I also lived in New York and I moved to LA and I do
52:34
plan on living in New York again.
52:36
So you know what Clock TI. Love them both but it's like.
52:41
They're both garbage for different reasons.
52:43
I'm like what? Everyone get over themselves,
52:46
who gives a fuck. It's all the same shit and it's
52:49
like the like, it's the same thing, just different versions.
52:55
You know what I mean? It's like LA, people have a
52:56
problem because it's like the influencer of it all and
52:58
everyone's couch chasing whatever work that's true in New
53:02
York. It's everyone's too cool for
53:04
school and it's like like the like, how fucking niche is the
53:09
shit you're making? Like same shit, just different
53:11
versions. Both fucking suck.
53:13
Blame. You know what?
53:15
Not even a Zulu take. I'm going to cosign that.
53:17
Thank you. Someone who lives in Los Angeles
53:18
currently and someone who lived in New York.
53:21
Like, you're so right. Honestly, at the end of the day,
53:23
all pretentious. All pretentious, both amazing
53:26
cities of and I think I'm I'm mostly talking about because I
53:31
obviously have to exist in like the creative industry and it
53:34
like that's what breeds the ugliness.
53:36
New York and LA are huge cities that have a lot of normal
53:38
fucking people living in them. I'm talking about, I think, the
53:43
stereotypes that are created by the entertainment industry that
53:47
I just happened to have to, like, be participating in. 100%
53:52
and I see it. But yeah, there's lots of normal
53:54
ass people in both cities. They're just normal cities, but
53:57
we just have to participate in the worst part honestly.
54:00
So insidious, I know. I mean, yay fun.
54:03
I'm happy. Los Angeles and New York are
54:06
both massive inspos for me and my project and my lyric.
54:09
So very interesting. Like, you know what I mean?
54:11
Like I think there's, you know how you were talking about New
54:14
Mexico and Santa Fe. Like there is that wicked energy
54:18
here in Los Angeles too You. Know what I mean?
54:21
Hollywood Hills are cursed bad juju.
54:24
Oh my God, I'm scared. Yes, and it's so creepy.
54:27
This industry is really. Creepy sinister bitch.
54:31
Oh my God. You know what?
54:31
It's crazy. I'm just saying it in like my
54:34
perception, but I bet someone's gonna like, find this in
54:36
clipping and be like, look at the Illuminati.
54:38
Ryan's hinting, which I'm really not.
54:39
I am. I am, I believe.
54:43
Okay, Clock. I mean, I trust you.
54:45
No, there's some weird shit going on in this city, let me
54:49
tell you. I believe you and I agree.
54:50
With you, I don't know what. It is.
54:52
I feel like I'm contributing to it to be honest.
54:54
Like I know eating into the. Culture.
54:55
I feel like the city eats me. Yeah.
54:58
Yep, Yep, there's some weird sinister shit going on in this
55:01
industry, I'll tell you that much.
55:02
We got to protect ourselves, girl.
55:04
Yes, especially women in the music industry.
55:07
We got to take care of each other.
55:08
Some weird shit. DJ Jesus, please save us.
55:11
Yes, period. Wait Oh my God this has been so
55:15
fucking fun. I love.
55:16
You. You're the cutest.
55:19
Can I tell you when I met her? I am not a big I love you type
55:22
person. We said I love you.
55:24
I I was telling her I was like, girl, I do not tell people I
55:26
love them. I love.
55:27
You no. When we hugged her by we're like
55:28
I love you. I actually do.
55:30
I just love you and I was like, I'm listening to your album
55:31
right now. And I did.
55:32
And I loved it so good Oh my God so fucking good.
55:35
I'm so excited to play the fuck out of it.
55:37
Hopefully it goes on streaming soon so we can clock those
55:39
streams y'all. But for now we are streaming DJ
55:42
Jesus. Well bestie bestie Magdalene.
55:46
We close out every show by manifesting together.
55:49
Is there anything you want to speak into existence here on the
55:51
Lulu right now? What do you want to manifest?
55:56
I just want to manifest to see and be seen.
56:01
Like I just want to like connect.
56:04
Thank you. That's just like my goal.
56:06
Like when I think of success for myself in this career, like I
56:09
don't think about like money or like a record dealer number.
56:12
No, fuck no. Like I think about like the
56:15
crowd of people I'm playing to and like, yeah, connection,
56:18
like, yeah, to make people feel seen and like in hand be feel
56:23
seen by them in return. And like that's yeah.
56:28
Like that's just I really want this year, like any success I
56:31
find. Like I just want to tour and I
56:33
want to play shows and I want to meet people who like the music
56:38
and connect to it. And like I want to meet like
56:40
little blue hair freak teenagers like I was who like feel
56:45
isolated and misunderstood and like I hope they can see
56:48
themselves in my music and like feel like they belong in those
56:52
like crowds. Like I just want to create
56:54
community. I think that like people have
56:56
lost sight that like music is nothing without community and we
57:00
fucking need it. And like that we're nothing
57:03
without it. And even in with artists like we
57:06
need to lift each other up and like everyone in pop is so
57:09
competitive and wack like it's fucking stupid.
57:12
Competitive gatekeeping? Like not actually rooting for
57:16
you. No.
57:17
And I'll tell you, like, I feel privileged to have come up in
57:19
indie rock bands where we were all friends, we all lifted each
57:23
other up, we all toured with each other and we were all more
57:26
successful for it. And like, we need that in pop
57:30
music and, like, just creating connections with the people who
57:34
listen to you and like, yeah. And care and feel seen by you.
57:39
Like, that's very fucking profound.
57:41
And like, I feel I'm clocking you are.
57:45
I love like, this even small amount of people that listen
57:49
now, like I just live for them. And they're also cute and like,
57:53
like, they just remind me of me when I was a teenager.
57:56
And like, I just hope I can connect with.
57:58
Yeah, like, people. Like, I just want to be the type
58:01
of musician that, like, I would have been.
58:03
Yeah. Like gagging for, you know what
58:06
I mean? You're the type of musician I'm
58:08
gagging for right now. I'm like, wait, thank you.
58:09
Con. Con.
58:10
Con. Con.
58:11
Con. Con.
58:11
Con. So that's my manifestation,
58:13
CNBC. OK, that's already happening.
58:16
That's like already happened because like, oh, that's also
58:19
real. Like I'm connecting to your
58:20
music. I love it.
58:21
I feel seen. Thanks honey.
58:23
Idea like it's just so good and also I just think that's
58:25
beautiful. You just want to be like
58:27
community and connection to. Yeah, it's important.
58:29
The world fucking needs it right now.
58:30
You know what? You're so right about the pop
58:32
scene, though. Like people are so competitive
58:34
and like, I'm a big cheerleader. I love me and.
58:38
I. Listen to my friend's music like
58:41
all the time. Like I actually genuinely give a
58:42
fuck and I care about all of it. And I just feel like a lot of
58:45
the girly pops and the people in the scene, in the industry in
58:48
general, like not even just in pop music or pop stars or the
58:51
pop world, just like entertainment industry, girl,
58:54
they're waiting for you to fall on your face.
58:56
Like, but it's like, you can't blame especially I see this with
59:00
women. Like, I don't think men are held
59:02
to this standard, but like women are turned against each other
59:07
and they're pitted. And Even so subconsciously it's
59:09
like you go into meetings and it's like, well, it's to this or
59:13
to that. And like comparing you to these
59:14
other girls and these this they have this number.
59:17
Yeah, they have these numbers. So you need to do this blah,
59:19
blah, blah, blah, blah. And it like, it festers this
59:21
insecurity in you and then you just like in, you know, you just
59:25
kind of fall into like being competitive and like feeling.
59:29
It's like ingrained in you now. Yeah.
59:31
And you feel like, yeah, you feel, like threatened.
59:33
And it's like we like need each other and like, actually
59:37
everyone will be more successful if we all put each other on and
59:40
lift each other up and like completely.
59:42
Subscribe to that. Like, I feel like that's what I
59:44
want to do, you know, I want to help my friends.
59:46
I want to see everyone win. I my philosophy is we all eat.
59:49
There's room at the table. If I win, you win.
59:51
One person's success doesn't take away from another's.
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But yeah, it's like, it's not anyone's fault but the
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industries. It's like women are turned
59:59
against each other. It's evil.
1:00:00
It's evil. And I think like women have so
1:00:04
much like. We're compared to each other.
1:00:07
Men never get compared to each other.
1:00:09
Men, like women are just held to an fucking insane standard.
1:00:11
Like I was saying earlier, like propped up on this insane
1:00:14
pedestal and then fucking crucified and like men are not
1:00:17
held to that standard period. It's hard being.
1:00:19
DJ. Jesus, it's hard being DJ Jesus
1:00:21
A. Million.
1:00:22
Percent, yeah. Oh my God.
1:00:23
Clock, clock, clock. Period.
1:00:25
This was incredible. What maybe I would love to have
1:00:28
you come back on. You didn't come on with Sam.
1:00:30
Oh my God, me and Sam holding hands.
1:00:33
Cute. What?
1:00:34
Yes. Oh my God, you.
1:00:35
Have my brother. OK, wait, that would be really
1:00:37
fun actually. We're going to do it for real.
1:00:40
Yeah, he was here. I know.
1:00:42
We could have done it today, but we're going to do it.
1:00:44
We're going to do it next time. OK, Hell yeah, That's so fun.
1:00:46
This was so incredible. Like I had the best time talking
1:00:48
to you and. Me too, thank you for having me.
1:00:51
Seriously, this was so cool for me because like I was telling
1:00:53
Charlie, I told my team like, obviously my favorite.
1:00:55
Well, I don't know. Obviously my favorite guests are
1:00:57
the ones I'm a giant fan of, so I'm like, wait, finally I get to
1:01:00
lock them in a room and talk about their music.
1:01:03
So fun. Exploring your world because
1:01:05
it's so new to me too. And like, you're essentially
1:01:07
debuting right now. Yes, definitely.
1:01:10
It feels like it. Oh my God, you have such a great
1:01:13
journey ahead of you with superstardom.
1:01:15
I know you just want to connect and we're not making success
1:01:17
numbers, charts, stats, our higher power at all but girl.
1:01:21
But let's get those numbers up. And they're going, they're going
1:01:24
up. Girl, you were going to do all
1:01:26
of it. Oh my God, I'm so proud of you.
1:01:27
And I'm so. Excited for you.
1:01:28
This was incredible. Thanks for having me, it's so
1:01:32
fun. Stop.
1:01:33
I love you but. I love you.
1:01:34
Besties thank you so much for listening and this was your
1:01:36
healthy dose at the Lulu so now you can go live your true Lulu
1:01:39
bestie Magdalene. Where can the besties find you?
1:01:45
Everywhere T Magdalene 10,000. 10K y'all 10,010 thousand 000
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yeah. Yes, period.
1:01:53
And then just Magdalene on Spotify, yes and everything and.
1:01:57
Everyone stream DJ Jesus and watch.
1:01:59
Watch the music video. Clock clock guys, it's cons I'm
1:02:03
telling you. Please watch it.
1:02:05
I need. You, for the love of God.
1:02:07
Watch it DJ Jesus please please please please please and
1:02:11
besties. If you love this episode, please
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Do Lulu Thursday and if you could do us a massive favor and
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rate the show. 5 stars Magdalene and I.
1:02:22
It will personally. FaceTime you.
1:02:27
OK, the commitment, but yeah, do it.
1:02:29
Wait, who are we Facetiming? If they rate the show 5 stars.
1:02:32
Oh anyone? Oh, if you rate the show 5
1:02:35
stars. Good word.
1:02:36
With DJ Jesus. We'll put in a good word with DJ
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Jesus. Yes, we tight with DJ Jesus.
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Yeah, period. OK, love that and besties.
1:02:43
You can find me at emotions across all my platforms E period
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1:02:52
watching and thank you so much for being here.
1:02:53
Thanks, I love you. What?
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I love you too. Stay delulu besties.