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Sharri | 29 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Alberizi tonight accused of breaching the Ministerial Code of Conduct
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Speaker 3: by soliciting business flight upgrades. Peter Dutton wants the Corruption
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Speaker 3: Commission to investigate, and Albanzi has also given a misleading
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Speaker 3: answer over why his son had chairman's lounge access. Joe
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Speaker 3: Aston will be on My show tonight and boy does
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Speaker 3: he hit back at Albanzi.
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Speaker 4: The ones who bang on the most about their origin story,
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Speaker 4: you know, about how they grew up in a brown
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Speaker 4: paper bag or they floated to an Australia on a
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Speaker 4: stick of spaghetti. They're always the ones who are most
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Speaker 4: are most susceptible to the high life. And I think
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Speaker 4: it's certainly true that for someone who came from so little,
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Speaker 4: Alberanzi has an insatiable appetite for VIP travel and hospitality.
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Speaker 3: That's coming up also tonight, Petty Wong furious that Israel
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Speaker 3: dared to block a UN organization that has a long
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Speaker 3: history of supporting terror. Why would the Foreign Minister be
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Speaker 3: so upset about this? Chris Mitchell would join me to
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Speaker 3: discuss and eight days out from the US election, will
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Speaker 3: cross live to Washington where Adam Crichton will break down
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Speaker 3: the latest positive poll for Trump.
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Speaker 2: But as one comedian's bad joke.
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Speaker 5: Cost him votes.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to discuss that with Bronwin Bishop and Caleb
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Speaker 3: Bond in a moment. But first tonight, accusations that Anthony
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Speaker 3: Alberzi has misled voters about why his son had chairman's
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Speaker 3: lounge access. This comes as Peter Dutton accuses alben Ezi
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Speaker 3: of breaching the Ministerial Code of Conduct. His also said
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Speaker 3: this entire matter should be referred to the Corruption Commission
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Speaker 3: for investigation. Now this has now become a political scandal.
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Speaker 3: Albinizi is accused of misleading voters over why he asked
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Speaker 3: the Quantist chief executive Alan Joyce for a chairman's lounge
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Speaker 3: access for his son Nathan. Now, when this revelation first
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Speaker 3: emerged over a year ago, Albanezy refused to comment on
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Speaker 3: it at all. The Prime Minister had never disclosed this
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Speaker 3: gift on his register of interests. But this week he
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Speaker 3: finally spoke about it and he claimed that his son
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Speaker 3: was his new plus one.
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Speaker 6: Have a look, all that happened was my relationship ended.
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Speaker 6: My relationship ended and my plus one when that happened,
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Speaker 6: and I put out a media release when my marriage ended.
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Speaker 6: You can't be more transparent than that, and my plus
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Speaker 6: one became my son.
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Speaker 3: That seemed to satisfy the journalists at the press conference.
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Speaker 5: But is it true. Not quite.
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Speaker 3: Albaneze claimed as he heard that Carmel Tebbert was his
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Speaker 3: plus one, But in fact I'm told that she had
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Speaker 3: her own Quantus chairman's lounge access, completely independent of Albanesi,
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Speaker 3: and she was of course Deputy Premiere in New South
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Speaker 3: Wales and also Education Minister. And secondly, by the time
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Speaker 3: Albanesi asked Alan Joyce to give his son the lounge access, well,
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Speaker 3: he'd split up from Carmel Tebbert around three years earlier.
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Speaker 3: Joe Aston explains this discrepancy in the interview I've.
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Speaker 2: Done with him that's airing on the show tonight.
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Speaker 5: Have a look.
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Speaker 4: I find again, I find that an implausible explanation because
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Speaker 4: Jody Hayden was disclosed by Albanesi in his Register of
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Speaker 4: interest in October twenty twenty two as Albanese's plus one,
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Speaker 4: So how can his son be his plus one?
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Speaker 3: There's just so many holes in all of Albanese's answers
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Speaker 3: and Joe Aston coming up on the show a bit later.
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Speaker 3: He also responds to the claims from Albanzi that the
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Speaker 3: journalist is targeting his faumily by focusing on his son's
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Speaker 3: chairman's lounge access. So what we've seen today and you
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Speaker 3: know this by now, that the Prime Minister is now
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Speaker 3: attacking Joe Aston a journalist, instead of just being straightforward
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Speaker 3: and honest and open with voters about all of this.
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Speaker 3: Alban Easy repeatedly promised that he was going to do
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Speaker 3: politics differently. But we're not seeing transparency. We're only seeing
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Speaker 3: attacks on Aston.
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Speaker 6: The person who is trying to sell a book, and
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Speaker 6: fair enough, I don't see decorations that he's a former
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Speaker 6: Liberal Party staffer for a number of senior members of
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Speaker 6: the Liberal Party, including Joe Hockey and Bruce Bird. I
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Speaker 6: don't see decorations. He as a former Quanus employee. I
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Speaker 6: don't see decorations. In June, just a few months ago,
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Speaker 6: he was a guest him and John Howard, a Liberal
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Speaker 6: Party fundraiser in the electorate of Worth.
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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, this is petulant. Seriously, a prime
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Speaker 3: minister under scrutiny for integrity issues starts attacking a journalist.
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Speaker 3: Albanize cannot avoid answering questions by hitting out at Joe Aston.
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Speaker 3: Not that it's relevant, but Joe Aston's disclosures are pretty clear.
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Speaker 3: On page one of this book, he discloses that he
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Speaker 3: did previously work for both Quantas and the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, that's probably why he has such
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Speaker 3: good access to intel. It's beside the point. This isn't
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Speaker 3: about Aston's disclosures. He's not getting a taxpayer funded salary.
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Speaker 3: He's not answerable to voters. This is about Albernizi's disclosures.
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Speaker 3: That's what matters, and Albanize He also refused to directly
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Speaker 3: answer questions about whether he requested or solicited the gifts
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Speaker 3: from his mate Alan Joyce.
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Speaker 7: Did you call Alan Joys personally for these upgrades?
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Speaker 6: The idea Quannas have a number in terms of bookings
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Speaker 6: that are private bookings.
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Speaker 3: So no denial at all, just yet again deflection by
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Speaker 3: talking about some private number and on that what is
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Speaker 3: he talking about a number.
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Speaker 5: For private bookings.
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Speaker 3: The Quantus number that you and I have access to
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Speaker 3: is the one three one three, one three number where
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Speaker 3: you're left on hold for hours. The number Albanese he
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Speaker 3: had for private bookings for upgrades is Alan Joyce's personal
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Speaker 3: mobile number. He was basically his travel agent. And today
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Speaker 3: we saw Albinezi also tried to attack his political opponents
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Speaker 3: for the number.
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Speaker 5: Of upgrades that they've had.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like a child saying, oh, but that
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Speaker 3: kid also stole the lollipop. This is extraordinary stuff from
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Speaker 3: the prime minister who promised a new era of transparency
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Speaker 3: in politics.
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Speaker 6: I want to bring people together and I want to
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Speaker 6: change the way that politics is conducted in this country.
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Speaker 6: And I do believe that we can do politics better
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Speaker 6: and I hope to do so.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 3: Maybe Albenesi should read up on the Code of Conduct
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Speaker 3: for Ministers because it does state that yep, they're allowed
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Speaker 3: to accept gifts, but they must not seek or encourage
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Speaker 3: any form of gift in their personal capacity. That's a
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Speaker 3: direct quote. And there are now quite serious questions over
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Speaker 3: whether the Prime Minister breached those ministerial Code of Conduct rules,
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Speaker 3: and Peter Darton says he has well.
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Speaker 9: Certainly, on the face of reading the Gillard government minister
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Speaker 9: or Code of Conduct, the Prime Minister has breached that
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Speaker 9: by his own admission.
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Speaker 3: At no point has Albanese denied that he personally asked
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Speaker 3: that enjoys for upgrades worth tens of thousands of dollars
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Speaker 3: and if he asked for them it would be in
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Speaker 3: breach as I've just shown you of the Ministerial Code
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Speaker 3: of Conduct. Parliament resumes next week, so it's very possible
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Speaker 3: that if Alban Easy doesn't refer himself to the Corruption Commission,
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Speaker 3: which let's be Frank is not going to, then the
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Speaker 3: Coalition might make that referral. Just months out from the
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Speaker 3: federal election, things couldn't be looking worse for Alban Easy now.
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Speaker 3: Australia's premiers have been blasted for their handling of the
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Speaker 3: COVID nineteen pandemic, with the Federal Inquiry report released today
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Speaker 3: saying that some differences were not easily explained and no
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Speaker 3: rationale was provided. This included the operation of state border
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Speaker 3: closures that states enacted unilaterally and that lacked consistency and
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Speaker 3: compassion in implementation, stating the obvious. The inquiry also found
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Speaker 3: that vaccine mandates has reduced the motivation of some people
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Speaker 3: to be vaccinated for COVID nineteen and has led to
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Speaker 3: ongoing reluctance to receive vaccines. Now the main recommendation from
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Speaker 3: this inquiry is to set up a CDC, a Center
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Speaker 3: for Disease control like they have in the United States,
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Speaker 3: which by the way, didn't do any better than Australia.
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Speaker 3: But what's so appalling about this is that the Albanezy
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Speaker 3: government had already decided to set up a CDC long
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Speaker 3: before the inquiry recommendations came out. The website has been
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Speaker 3: built for literally more than eight or nine months, so
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Speaker 3: this was a foregone conclusion. It wasn't an outcome of
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Speaker 3: this report, as the minister's told us today. And worst
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Speaker 3: of all, the main action to prevent another pandemic would
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Speaker 3: be to investigate the origins of COVID nineteen work out
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Speaker 3: why this virus spread.
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Speaker 5: Around the world.
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Speaker 3: But not once has Albanezi asked Chinese President Shijingping his
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Speaker 3: good mate about this. Not once, because it was Scott
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Speaker 3: Morrison's demand for an inquiry into the origins of the
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Speaker 3: virus that sparked China's aggression against Australia in the first place,
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Speaker 3: including all.
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Speaker 2: The trade tariffs.
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Speaker 3: But to prevent another pandemic, we do need to know
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Speaker 3: how it began. We do need a ban on dangerous
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Speaker 3: gain of function research risky research that was initially banned
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Speaker 3: under the Obama administration for viruses like coronaviruses, Yet now
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Speaker 3: gainer function research is taking place.
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Speaker 2: All over the world.
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Speaker 5: We need a.
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Speaker 2: Proper commission of inquiry.
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Speaker 3: This inquiry that we've seen the results of today was
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Speaker 3: a whitewash, no proper scrutiny. Mark Butler today we've heard
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Speaker 3: him speak about the paper trayal and faxes. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 3: that's not the sort of tough questions that need to
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Speaker 3: be examined to ensure we don't have another pandemic, and
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Speaker 3: if we do, to make sure that the authorities know
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Speaker 3: how to handle it. Okay, lots to talk about tonight.
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Speaker 3: Joe Aston coming up, plus Chris Mitchell on his incredible
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Speaker 3: column this week about how Jews are the indigenous people
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Speaker 3: of Israel. But first now let's bring in tonight's panel,
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Speaker 3: Sky News host kayleb Bond and our regular former Speaker
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Speaker 3: of the House Bronwin Bishop.
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Speaker 5: Welcome to you both. Look, let's start by talking.
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Speaker 3: About Anthony Albanisi and this quantus scandal. Bronwin Bishop Peter
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Speaker 3: Dutton has said that the Prime Minister should refer himself
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Speaker 3: to the corruption Commission. How serious are the integrity issues
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Speaker 3: here that the PM has to answer for?
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Speaker 10: Well, I guess the issues have been clearly spilled out today,
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Speaker 10: and that is the code of conduct, not being allowed
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Speaker 10: to ask for a gift, as to think from being
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Speaker 10: offered one when it's got a monetary value of three
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Speaker 10: hundred and fifty dollars and seven hundred dollars. And also
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Speaker 10: the question of whether when you're the regulating minister, whether
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Speaker 10: you're in a really serious conflict of interest situation.
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Speaker 3: So there where is he the big point, isn't it?
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Speaker 3: It's very conflict of interest?
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Speaker 10: Yes, So the question is and of course people then
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Speaker 10: related to the Kata Airlines decision of not allowing them
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Speaker 10: to come in and I think Albinizi said he.
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Speaker 11: Was protecting the national interest?
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Speaker 10: Was he?
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Speaker 11: We don't know. So it is a serious issue.
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Speaker 10: And I remember that Gladys Burro Jiglian was knocked out
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Speaker 10: of the premiership because she had reached the code of
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Speaker 10: conduct among other things. So there is a seriousness about it,
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Speaker 10: which is more.
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Speaker 3: Than Farrell and the bottle of another breach there, yees.
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Speaker 11: So it's a serious issue.
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Speaker 10: Whether he refers himself or not to the institution he
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Speaker 10: created will be interested. They were, I think quite anxious
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Speaker 10: to offer a couple of former Coalition ministers after that commission.
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Speaker 10: So it remains to be seen. But that train wreck
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Speaker 10: of a press conference he gave today, Why was he
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Speaker 10: doing it?
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Speaker 11: Where are his friends? And then you asked the question
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Speaker 11: do they really want to get.
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Speaker 12: Rid of him?
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Speaker 3: I mean, if Albanezy truly believes he has nothing to hide,
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Speaker 3: he should come out and say, yep, sure, get the
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Speaker 3: Corruption Commission to investigate, because I'm an open book. But
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Speaker 3: we haven't seen him do that. From the coalition's perspective,
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Speaker 3: they say the balls in his court now. It is
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Speaker 3: possible that they could make that referral though next week
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Speaker 3: when Parliament resumes. Caleb, before I get your response, I
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Speaker 3: want to show you just how much of a subject
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Speaker 3: of ridicule Albanize is becoming. This was the West Australian
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Speaker 3: Front page today by editor Christopher Door. Have a look
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Speaker 3: Business Class Warrior showing Albanizi and the Quantus PJS.
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Speaker 2: Obviously that's not a real photograph. That's a bit of
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Speaker 2: a lock up, Caleb.
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Speaker 3: We can't imagine Alberizi getting changed into his PJS though,
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Speaker 3: when he has those, you know, twenty two plus flight
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Speaker 3: upgrades to business class.
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Speaker 8: I don't want to imagine him changing into his pj's.
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Speaker 8: There's probably a better picture than you know, after we
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Speaker 8: lost all that weight, before he had the car crash,
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Speaker 8: of course, but he said when he says that he
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Speaker 8: was going to do politics better, he's certainly done one
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Speaker 8: thing better, and that to get his snout in the trough. Now,
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Speaker 8: this was going on long before he was Prime minister.
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Speaker 8: Of course, we're talking most importantly about when he was
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Speaker 8: Transport minister. And he knows he's on the ropes. That's
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Speaker 8: why he gave the response he gave today. He went
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Speaker 8: up a dry gully and he can't back out of
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Speaker 8: it because he knows what he had done. And I
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Speaker 8: know there's been the comparison drawn, and he's tried to
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Speaker 8: draw the comparison. No, Well, lots of politicians accept gifts
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Speaker 8: from Quantus and upgrades from Quantus. That might be so,
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Speaker 8: but how many others have picked up the phone directly
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Speaker 8: to the CEO of Quantus while they are Transport minister
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Speaker 8: and ask for an upgrade, not on a business trip,
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Speaker 8: but on a personal trip. And when you are the
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Speaker 8: minister in charge who has a decision over what airlines
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Speaker 8: are allowed to operate in this country, the slots that
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Speaker 8: they are allowed to have in this country. It is
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Speaker 8: such a direct conflict of interest that some people might
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Speaker 8: look at that. And we're talking about him being referred
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Speaker 8: to the Corruption Commission and asked the question, was that
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Speaker 8: corrupt conduct? He can't answer that because he knows what
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Speaker 8: he has done, regardless of the law, does not look good.
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Speaker 8: It cuts through because you and I, as you said before,
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Speaker 8: if we wanted to get a flight, if we pick
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Speaker 8: up the phone to someone, we're sitting there for four
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Speaker 8: hours trying to talk to someone, not Anthony Alberansi. This
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Speaker 8: is a major issue, not just for the Prime Minister now,
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Speaker 8: but for the way that the airline industry is run
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Speaker 8: in this country. It should not be in the hands
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Speaker 8: of a minister at all. As far as I'm concerned,
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Speaker 8: you can't blame Joyce for doing what he's done. Of
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Speaker 8: course he's want to curry favor with the Transport Minister,
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Speaker 8: but he ought to know better Albanzi, that is than
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Speaker 8: to get on the blower and ask for a gift.
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Speaker 12: It's a terrible look.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Joyce has done nothing wrong, He's done nothing illegal.
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Speaker 3: This is all on the questions are all for Albansi,
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Speaker 3: and it just shows again how out of touch it is.
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Speaker 3: We're in a cost of living crisis. Australians can barely
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Speaker 3: afford interstate travel at the moment in economy. And I
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Speaker 3: don't know about you Tube, but you know I've heard
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Speaker 3: a lot of people say, oh, yes, I've had an upgrade.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. Every time I fly, I always say,
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Speaker 3: can I have an upgrade? No one has ever.
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Speaker 2: Once said yes at quandas or whichever.
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Speaker 8: I only get with points, So I haven't been off.
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Speaker 5: A one joy sweat.
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Speaker 13: Were you when I needed you for him?
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Speaker 5: You just can't get upgrade?
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Speaker 2: So there you go.
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Speaker 3: Let's look at this COVID inquiry report Bronwen. This was
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Speaker 3: particularly scathing of vaccine mandates, but really only from the
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Speaker 3: perspective of now vaccine hesitancy.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think that the report is an absolute disgrace
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Speaker 10: because what we needed was a Royal Commissioner, and the
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Speaker 10: parameters of the report were such that investigating what individual states,
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Speaker 10: particularly the premiers did was excluded from the inquiry and reporting.
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Speaker 10: So what we're seeing is let's blame the previous federal
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Speaker 10: government for what they did. Now there's the treasurer out there,
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Speaker 10: the snake charmer, because.
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Speaker 11: It's all an illusion. There he was out there.
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Speaker 10: Today saying, oh, well they were responsible, they the former
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Speaker 10: coalition government for giving us inflation. But at the same
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Speaker 10: time there were the shadow tasure demanding that the coalitions
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Speaker 10: spend more and keep spending it for longer. So there
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Speaker 10: is absolutely no no integrity in that man's answer at all.
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Speaker 10: Today he banks on the fact that probably people will
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Speaker 10: forget what he said last time. So the thing that
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Speaker 10: concerns me also is the establishment of this Center for
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Speaker 10: Disease Control. I mean, it sounds all wellian to start with,
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Speaker 10: and to me, I'm linking it up with the stated
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Speaker 10: intention of the government to sign up to this United
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Speaker 10: Nations World Health Organization proposed treaty that would mean that
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Speaker 10: the World Health Organization could say, well, we've got a
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Speaker 10: pandemic and this is what you, Australia have got to do,
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Speaker 10: and this is what and so and so forth, so
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Speaker 10: you would have this so called independent body.
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Speaker 2: And again the.
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Speaker 3: US had a CDC and they were still hit hard
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Speaker 3: by the pandemics.
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Speaker 2: Is going to be some not.
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Speaker 10: But I am still worried about this treaty because you
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Speaker 10: can sign a treaty, but nothing happens until legislation imports
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Speaker 10: it into domestic law. Is this the first step of
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Speaker 10: importing it into domestic law?
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Speaker 11: I wouldn't trust them as far as I could.
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Speaker 2: Throw that they were really compromised by China.
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Speaker 3: They gave out misleading information in the WHO They told
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Speaker 3: everyone that COVID nineteen and there was no human to
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Speaker 3: human transmission.
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Speaker 2: In fact, it was a highly infectious virus.
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Speaker 10: And they still insisted on telling people that if you
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Speaker 10: got vaccinated, you would then.
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Speaker 11: Not infect anybody else. That was an absolute lie.
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Speaker 10: All it did was allegedly make the disease less in
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Speaker 10: your own body. You are not a risk to anybody
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Speaker 10: else in your own body. It was supposed to make
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Speaker 10: it less.
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Speaker 11: Now we've got.
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Speaker 10: What thousands of people who are walking around who have
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Speaker 10: been affected by the vaccinations because.
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Speaker 11: Of the reactions they had. They were rushed through so much.
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Speaker 10: There weren't so much to look at in a royal
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Speaker 10: commission that will hopefully prevent unproven things being pumped into
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Speaker 10: people's bodies.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very quick response, Caleb. I'm sure we'll hear more
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Speaker 3: from you about this at ten o'clock tonight.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Look, I mean the vaccine stuff seriously. I mean the
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Speaker 8: report says that it was the rollout of vaccines was
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Speaker 8: too slow and that cost lives. Well, no, I think
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Speaker 8: the damage that was done by the States cost a
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Speaker 8: lot more lives. And as for a CDC, the one
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Speaker 8: thing that really went wrong during COVID was bureaucrats running
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Speaker 8: the show. And now we're being told the one thing
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Speaker 8: that would save us if this ever happened again is
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Speaker 8: to have another outfit with even more bureaucrats in it, pull.
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Speaker 11: The other way that had joke.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, when is anyone going to apologize
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Speaker 3: for taping up children's playgrounds like there were some rhyme scene.
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Speaker 2: I mean absolutely ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: Children were barely affected by COVID if they were healthy,
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Speaker 3: young kids, and they couldn't even go to a playground.
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Speaker 3: I mean, those lost childhoods. Never get them back. All right,
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Speaker 3: kayleb Bond, BNT Brenwan Bishop, thank you both so much,
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Speaker 3: and we'll see you at ten o'clock tonight. Now, since
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Speaker 3: the October seven terror attacks, we've seen outrageous claims from
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Speaker 3: pro Palestinian activists that Jews should be expelled from Israel,
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Speaker 3: a one state solution from.
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Speaker 2: The river to the sea.
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Speaker 3: Well, these activists push misinformation. They're presenting Jews as white colonizers,
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Speaker 3: ignoring the reality that Jews are indigenous to the land
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Speaker 3: of Israel. And the reality is that in many parts
21:33
Speaker 3: of the Middle East, like Iran, Syria and Iraq, Christians
21:38
Speaker 3: and Jews have been persecuted and expelled.
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Speaker 11: Well.
21:43
Speaker 3: I spoke to the former editor in chief of The
21:45
Speaker 3: Australian Current columnist Chris Mitchell about this a little earlier.
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Speaker 5: Chris Mitchell, thank you so much for joining me.
21:54
Speaker 3: You've written an exceptional column and it's been one of
21:57
Speaker 3: the most well read articles on the Australian website. You
22:00
Speaker 3: write about how Jews are presented as colonizers. This is
22:04
Speaker 3: far from the truth, Chris. Can you explain to us
22:07
Speaker 3: how Jews are actually indigenous to the land of Israel.
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Speaker 9: The truth is they're the direct inheritors of the original
22:14
Speaker 9: Canaanite civilization in the area.
22:17
Speaker 1: So just as Aboriginal Australians would.
22:21
Speaker 9: Say they are the original people here and everyone who
22:24
Speaker 9: came after them are colonizers, the truth is the Jews
22:28
Speaker 9: are the original inhabitants of that part of the Levant.
22:33
Speaker 9: I'd say they meet virtually all of the seven UN
22:37
Speaker 9: criteria for indigeneity, and there are sort of an ethno
22:42
Speaker 9: religious group much the same way as Australian Aborigines are.
22:45
Speaker 9: So it's not just a religion like Islam, it's a
22:49
Speaker 9: religion identified with the people, and those people have been
22:53
Speaker 9: from that area forever and they have the same genealogical
22:58
Speaker 9: and genetic back to the Canaanites wherever they are in
23:03
Speaker 9: the world.
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Speaker 3: Chris Jews were connected with the land of Israel for
23:08
Speaker 3: at least at least a thousand years before the religion
23:11
Speaker 3: of Islam even began.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:14
Speaker 3: You write about how Palestinian activists are now demanding people
23:18
Speaker 3: use Arabic terms for cities in Israel our kods for Jerusalem,
23:22
Speaker 3: for example, and you argue that this is laughable because
23:26
Speaker 3: the original Hebrew names far predate Arab settlement.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, it might be more than two thousand
23:33
Speaker 9: years ahead of you know, the Arab colonization of the area.
23:39
Speaker 9: I think the idea that you know, people like Randall
23:42
Speaker 9: abul Fatar, you know, an intellectual who is on a
23:47
Speaker 9: research grant of eight hundred thousand dollars, and you know,
23:50
Speaker 9: an advocate for Palestinian riots would be retweeting claims that
23:54
Speaker 9: we should reverse to Arab names.
23:57
Speaker 1: For old Jewish towns.
23:59
Speaker 9: It's so Affaboard's analogous to insisting that we call Ularu
24:04
Speaker 9: now is Rock because the colonizers were actually the Aboriginal
24:09
Speaker 9: people rather than the Brits who came here and called
24:11
Speaker 9: Ada's rock.
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Speaker 3: Well, can you tell us about the history of Arabs
24:14
Speaker 3: with the land of Israel and when they started referring
24:18
Speaker 3: to themselves as Palestinians.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think, you know, if you look at the
24:21
Speaker 9: early part of the twentieth century, and I think it's
24:24
Speaker 9: pretty clear from the nineteen forty seven forty eight attack
24:30
Speaker 9: by the Arabs on what was then Palestine that Palestine
24:34
Speaker 9: at the time was seen.
24:35
Speaker 1: By all Westerners as a land of Jews.
24:38
Speaker 9: So the UN one resolution proposed that along the green
24:42
Speaker 9: line everything from the sea that the green line would
24:46
Speaker 9: be Israel, and then a Palestinian state for people who
24:49
Speaker 9: identified as Palestinians but were in fact ethnic Arabs would
24:53
Speaker 9: be built between that line and Jordan. Now we have
24:57
Speaker 9: to remember that the Palestinian state in the world that
25:00
Speaker 9: is actually Jordan, and that's where most Palestinian people live,
25:04
Speaker 9: so at its heart, I think this probably is a
25:08
Speaker 9: problem that goes back to six hundred AD after the
25:12
Speaker 9: rise of Islam. The conquest of the region came between
25:16
Speaker 9: six thirty six and six forty and the area was
25:21
Speaker 9: really dominated by Arabs for most of that period. So
25:24
Speaker 9: you know, there were other conquests like the Ottoman conquests,
25:26
Speaker 9: et cetera. But these people essentially colonized the whole of
25:32
Speaker 9: the Middle East.
25:33
Speaker 1: And they went right out to Spain, you know.
25:35
Speaker 9: So you can read about Jewish poets in Spain who
25:38
Speaker 9: stood up to the Arabs in the fourteen nineties. You know,
25:43
Speaker 9: the imaginings of Palestinian advocates that they were always ethnic
25:48
Speaker 9: Palestinians are ridiculous. So there may be some Palestinians who
25:52
Speaker 9: have Canaanite.
25:54
Speaker 1: Ancestry as well, but they would have.
25:56
Speaker 9: Been people who were either Christian or Jewish who converted
26:00
Speaker 9: to Islam after six hundred and forty a d. Now,
26:04
Speaker 9: the big immigration in more recent periods to the region
26:09
Speaker 9: came under the British mandate, so probably four hundred thousand
26:13
Speaker 9: people of Arab extraction moved into Palestine and They largely
26:17
Speaker 9: went four regulated wages rates so they could be better
26:20
Speaker 9: paid and work more regulated hours in what was then
26:24
Speaker 9: Palestine than they would have in other parts of the
26:27
Speaker 9: Middle East. But they knew, and they wrote about it
26:30
Speaker 9: at the time, that they were coming to a Jewish land.
26:34
Speaker 3: Look, I just want to ask you about Pennywong's comments today.
26:37
Speaker 3: The Albanesi government is opposing Israel's decision to stop UNRAH
26:42
Speaker 3: operating in Israel because of its proven clear links to terrorism.
26:48
Speaker 5: What's your view on this?
26:49
Speaker 9: Well, Look, I think it's really bit admitted that there
26:53
Speaker 9: were links between UNRAH and the and the October seven massacre.
26:58
Speaker 9: So even the UN itself sacked nine of the twelve names.
27:02
Speaker 1: That the Israelis gave them.
27:05
Speaker 9: I think this sort of fits with the wider picture
27:07
Speaker 9: of suspicion about the UN in Israel, and I think
27:09
Speaker 9: people are rightly suspicious. I noticed today that the IDF
27:14
Speaker 9: has revealed footage of tunnels.
27:16
Speaker 1: In southern Lebanon.
27:18
Speaker 9: Now these are tunnels that were built for what was
27:21
Speaker 9: meant to be an invasion of northern Israel and a
27:24
Speaker 9: repeat of October seventh by Hezbollah. Now UNIFIL, you know,
27:29
Speaker 9: who were so upset about the attack on their headquarters
27:34
Speaker 9: last week. Uniform has said all along, there's no evidence
27:37
Speaker 9: of these tunnels existing.
27:38
Speaker 1: Well, the IDF went down and took journalists in there.
27:40
Speaker 9: Today, so these tunnels exist and the plan did exist.
27:44
Speaker 9: So you know what we're really seeing here is a
27:46
Speaker 9: repeat in Lebanon of the sorts of furfees driven by
27:50
Speaker 9: the un that have been powering the media narrative since
27:55
Speaker 9: last year.
27:55
Speaker 1: On Gaza.
27:58
Speaker 3: Chris Mitchell terrific columns every single week on Monday in
28:01
Speaker 3: The Australian and appreciate your time, Thanks Harry. And after
28:06
Speaker 3: the break, Anthony Alberanezi accused of breaching the Ministerial code
28:09
Speaker 3: of conduct. Well, the columnist, the author who revealed all
28:13
Speaker 3: of this, Joe Aston, will join us on the show
28:15
Speaker 3: and he doesn't hold back. Plus, the Trump campaign in
28:19
Speaker 3: damage control after a joke by a comedian at the Madison.
28:23
Speaker 2: Square Garden rally backfires.
28:26
Speaker 5: Will cross live to the US for the latest.
28:32
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
28:32
Speaker 3: Well, the Albanzi government is tonight in damage control mode.
28:37
Speaker 3: The political fallout from the Quantus upgrade scandal now taking
28:40
Speaker 3: on a life of its own. Albanizi hasn't denied personally
28:45
Speaker 3: asking former Quantus chief executive Allan Joys for upgrades. These
28:50
Speaker 3: business class flights are worth tens of thousands of dollars,
28:54
Speaker 3: and then news today that he's been getting these perks
28:57
Speaker 3: since ninety ninety nine. I spoke about all of this
29:01
Speaker 3: with Joe Aston, the author of The Chairman's Lounge, a
29:04
Speaker 3: little earlier. Joe Aston, thank you so much for your
29:08
Speaker 3: time and congratulations in your book.
29:10
Speaker 12: Thank you.
29:10
Speaker 3: Cherry certainly making news today and the Prime Minister he's
29:14
Speaker 3: under pressure over the revelations over the flight upgrades. He's
29:17
Speaker 3: attacked you personally over this. What's your response to what
29:21
Speaker 3: he's had to say today?
29:23
Speaker 4: So the Prime Minister complained that apparently I've failed to
29:27
Speaker 4: disclose that I was once a liberal staffer and that
29:30
Speaker 4: I also worked for Quantus. My advice would be perhaps
29:34
Speaker 4: one of the fifty taxpayer funded staff who worked for
29:37
Speaker 4: him could have read the first couple of pages of
29:39
Speaker 4: the book, because it's there that I was a Quantus
29:42
Speaker 4: employee before the contents page, and the fact that I
29:45
Speaker 4: was a liberal staffer is literally on the first line
29:48
Speaker 4: of the first page of the book.
29:50
Speaker 5: So he's deflecting.
29:51
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he's unfortunately decided to shoot the messenger, and
29:56
Speaker 4: he seems unable to answer the only question that people.
29:59
Speaker 12: Are interested in hearing.
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Speaker 3: This is a classic strategy to avoid having to answer
30:04
Speaker 3: questions about the own upgrades and the benefits that he's received.
30:08
Speaker 5: Over the years. He says he's declared them.
30:11
Speaker 2: So what has he done that's actually wrong here?
30:14
Speaker 4: Well, well, I think potentially he hasn't technically done anything
30:18
Speaker 4: wrong if he has disclosed all of his flight upgrades,
30:22
Speaker 4: which he says he has, But that really says.
30:25
Speaker 12: Something about what's wrong with the rules. You can disclose.
30:31
Speaker 4: Gifts all you want, but the fact is he was
30:34
Speaker 4: Transport minister and he was seeking upgrades and accepting upgrades
30:38
Speaker 4: from a national airline that he was actually in charge
30:40
Speaker 4: of regulating. As we learned during the Katar affair last year,
30:44
Speaker 4: the Transport Minister of Australia has really unique personal discretion
30:47
Speaker 4: over which airlines can fly into Australia and how often
30:51
Speaker 4: they can fly.
30:53
Speaker 12: So for the Transport for a Transport.
30:55
Speaker 4: Minister to be accepting benefits from, or to be seeking
30:59
Speaker 4: and then accepting benefits from an airline worth tens of
31:03
Speaker 4: thousands of dollars, it's just I don't see how anyone
31:06
Speaker 4: can say that's acceptable even if it is disclosed.
31:08
Speaker 3: I mean, you've made the comparison to a CEO from
31:11
Speaker 3: A and Z or Westpac giving fifty thousand dollars into
31:14
Speaker 3: a prime minister's or a politician's bank accounts and that
31:17
Speaker 3: person them disclosing it. You know, it still raises questions.
31:21
Speaker 12: Oh totally.
31:22
Speaker 5: So what do you think of the.
31:23
Speaker 3: Major decisions You just refer to Qatar Airlines, But what
31:25
Speaker 3: do you think of the major decisions that Albanezi has
31:29
Speaker 3: made over the years that have benefited Quantus?
31:33
Speaker 4: Well, I would say, well, certainly last year when Quantus
31:36
Speaker 4: was going off the rails, and as we many of
31:38
Speaker 4: us remember, they had the highest prices and the worst
31:40
Speaker 4: customer service in memory, and they were in an absolute
31:44
Speaker 4: brand crisis which they're still recovering from.
31:46
Speaker 12: At that time, the.
31:49
Speaker 4: Albanesi government defunded the hriplec's airline monitoring powers, which only
31:54
Speaker 4: Quantus had sought to have ended. No other parties had
31:58
Speaker 4: wanted to do that, so they basically cut the hble
32:01
Speaker 4: C's off at the knees.
32:03
Speaker 12: And of course then there's the guitar decision.
32:04
Speaker 4: So I would point out that the Albaneze government has
32:08
Speaker 4: brought in a very very i'd say almost radical industrial
32:12
Speaker 4: relations changes that do a lot of damage to Quantus's
32:16
Speaker 4: business model, so it hasn't been all one way traffic.
32:21
Speaker 3: Aside from the flight upgrades, one of the main revelations
32:24
Speaker 3: from your reporting has been that the Prime Minister requested
32:29
Speaker 3: from Alan Joyce a chairman's lounge membership for his son Nathan.
32:34
Speaker 3: Now he has said in the past few days that
32:37
Speaker 3: this was just a plus one that replaced Carmel Tebbet's
32:42
Speaker 3: plus one. But in fact I'm told that well, Carmel Tebbetts,
32:45
Speaker 3: she was Deputy Premier in New South Wales, that she
32:48
Speaker 3: had a chairman's lounge membership in her own right, so
32:51
Speaker 3: it wasn't the case that she was the prime Minister's
32:54
Speaker 3: plus one. Does your reporting back this up?
32:57
Speaker 12: Yeah?
32:57
Speaker 4: So I wrote this twelve months ago, August twenty twenty three,
33:01
Speaker 4: and the Prime Minister was so outraged he tried to
33:05
Speaker 4: shut the story down. He called my editor in chief
33:08
Speaker 4: and has now you know, has basically put a personal
33:11
Speaker 4: boycott on the AFI won't speak at any conferences.
33:13
Speaker 3: I mean, it's all a bit this is about his
33:16
Speaker 3: son receiving the lounge.
33:17
Speaker 4: Miss she's so angry about that story being run, and
33:20
Speaker 4: he's never dealt with it.
33:21
Speaker 12: He just has never even confirmed that it's true.
33:23
Speaker 4: And until this week, I mean a year later, he
33:27
Speaker 4: finally says, yeah, okay, he.
33:28
Speaker 12: Does have a Chairman's Lande membership.
33:30
Speaker 4: But as you say, he's added this new story that
33:33
Speaker 4: he's apparently Albanese's plus one. Well, I find again I
33:37
Speaker 4: find that an implausible explanation, because Jody Hayden was disclosed
33:42
Speaker 4: by Albanesi in his Register of interest in October twenty
33:45
Speaker 4: twenty two as Albanese's plus one, So how can his
33:48
Speaker 4: son be his plus one? And my understanding is certainly
33:51
Speaker 4: that it was only when Alberanzi became Prime Minister that
33:54
Speaker 4: he asked Alan Joyce to make his son a Chairman's
33:57
Speaker 4: Lounge member, remember, which is more than three years after
34:00
Speaker 4: his marriage to Carmel Tevitt ended. So I think there's
34:02
Speaker 4: still questions about that.
34:04
Speaker 3: Absolutely, he claims you're targeting his family, that this.
34:08
Speaker 5: Isn't a matter of public interest. What do you say
34:10
Speaker 5: to that?
34:12
Speaker 4: I find that pretty tiresome. You sort of get used
34:14
Speaker 4: to it. But I mean the idea that I am
34:18
Speaker 4: targeting his family or that it's my fault or the
34:20
Speaker 4: financial reviews fault, or the book's fault that his son
34:24
Speaker 4: is being raised in the news. Is just completely not
34:27
Speaker 4: taking responsibility for his own actions. His grasping behavior, asking
34:32
Speaker 4: for benefits for his family while he's in public office.
34:36
Speaker 4: That's what caused his son to be in the news,
34:38
Speaker 4: and he just and again, I think we're seeing more
34:40
Speaker 4: of this. He has this inability to take responsibility for
34:44
Speaker 4: his own actions. He has a real blind spot around
34:47
Speaker 4: what's appropriate.
34:49
Speaker 3: I think, you know, the political side of it is
34:52
Speaker 3: obviously fascinating, but where it becomes a serious issue is
34:56
Speaker 3: if the politicians aren't properly holding Quantum to account or
35:00
Speaker 3: ensuring proper conduct from our national carrier. When it comes
35:04
Speaker 3: to issue like the COVID flight credits. This was an
35:08
Speaker 3: egregious conduct from Quantus. So do you think that the politicians,
35:14
Speaker 3: if they weren't on the take from Quantus, they might
35:16
Speaker 3: have been tougher.
35:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think I think, well, setting aside COVID credits,
35:22
Speaker 4: I think for more than three decades, governments and politicians
35:26
Speaker 4: of both stripes have been you know, in licking the
35:31
Speaker 4: trough of Quantus for that entire period of time, now
35:35
Speaker 4: Quantus is the best user and wielder of soft influence
35:39
Speaker 4: in Australia, and I go into great detail about that
35:42
Speaker 4: in my book. But you know, more recently, the company,
35:47
Speaker 4: the company let the Australian people down. The company wants
35:51
Speaker 4: to be the national carrier, the spirit of Australia, but
35:53
Speaker 4: it went m a in COVID, and it used COVID
35:56
Speaker 4: as a super profit supercharging opportunity to make more money
36:00
Speaker 4: than they've ever made before.
36:02
Speaker 12: And they sold Australians down the river.
36:05
Speaker 4: And what I think the Australian government and the opposition,
36:10
Speaker 4: you know, they switch around, as you know in twenty
36:12
Speaker 4: twenty two, but both sides would never have allowed Quantus
36:15
Speaker 4: such an easy run if they weren't also compromised.
36:18
Speaker 5: Just finally, quickly before you go.
36:20
Speaker 3: I mean, some people are missing your columns in the
36:22
Speaker 3: fin Review, other's.
36:23
Speaker 5: Not so much.
36:24
Speaker 3: But I'm interested in your view about Albinizi as a
36:26
Speaker 3: character because the position, the perception is cementing that he
36:29
Speaker 3: is that he does like a freebeat, whether it's the
36:32
Speaker 3: Grand Final tickets, Taylor Swift tickets, his cliptop mansion and
36:37
Speaker 3: now the revelations of the twenty two flight upgrades at least.
36:42
Speaker 3: What's your view on how he's presented himself as this
36:45
Speaker 3: boy from housing Commission.
36:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting in my experience writing about very powerful
36:51
Speaker 4: people for a long period of time, the ones who
36:55
Speaker 4: bang on the most about their origin story, you know,
36:57
Speaker 4: about how they grew up in a brown paper bag,
37:00
Speaker 4: they floated to an Australia on a stick of spaghetti.
37:02
Speaker 12: They're always the.
37:03
Speaker 4: Ones who are most are most susceptible to the high life.
37:07
Speaker 4: And I think it's certainly true that for someone who
37:10
Speaker 4: came from so little, Albanizi has an insatiable appetite for
37:14
Speaker 4: VIP travel and hospitality.
37:16
Speaker 3: All Right, Joe Aston, thank you very much and congratulations.
37:19
Speaker 5: Once again in your book.
37:20
Speaker 12: Thank you, Cherry.
37:23
Speaker 3: And coming up after the break, why Penny Wong insists
37:26
Speaker 3: on giving taxpayer funds our taxpayer funds to an organization
37:30
Speaker 3: linked to hamas she.
37:32
Speaker 5: Has truly lost the plot.
37:34
Speaker 3: Plus the warning to Albanesi from a labor insider about
37:38
Speaker 3: doing a deal with the devil, and by that he
37:41
Speaker 3: means the Greens stay tuned.
37:47
Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back.
37:48
Speaker 3: Well, let's jump straight into it now with our panel.
37:51
Speaker 3: Sky News contributor Gary Hargrave and former Labor advisor Darren
37:55
Speaker 3: by Neett.
37:56
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
37:57
Speaker 3: Well, let's have a look at what pennywog Can said today. Now,
38:01
Speaker 3: Israel quite rightly pastor Bill banning the discredited UNRA because
38:07
Speaker 3: of its long history to terrorism, including some of their
38:10
Speaker 3: start actually participating in the October seven attacks.
38:15
Speaker 5: And you all know the history by now.
38:17
Speaker 3: It would be disgraceful for our taxpayer funds, our hard
38:22
Speaker 3: walking dollars to go towards that organization when there are
38:27
Speaker 3: other ways of giving eight. Yet, of course, anyone attacked
38:32
Speaker 3: Israel's decision have a look.
38:35
Speaker 14: The best available current advice from agencies and the Australian
38:39
Speaker 14: government lawyers is that UNRA is not a terrorist organization
38:43
Speaker 14: and that existing and additional safeguards sufficiently protect Australian taxpayer funnel.
38:50
Speaker 3: I mean, Gary, it is obvious by now we have
38:53
Speaker 3: seen so many terrorists carrying around their UNRA badgers. Surely
38:59
Speaker 3: it Pennywong must have concerns that millions of taxpayer dollars
39:04
Speaker 3: are going to support terrorism.
39:08
Speaker 15: Yeah you think so, Shari, And I mean who does
39:11
Speaker 15: she work for?
39:11
Speaker 1: She works for us, But in fact what.
39:13
Speaker 15: She's showing is she actually works for the internationalists who
39:16
Speaker 15: want to pull apart Western society. We cannot allow even
39:20
Speaker 15: a sniff of Australian money to end up somewhere near
39:23
Speaker 15: or give comfort to those who are terrorists. We are
39:26
Speaker 15: an award to save the West. Israelis on the front
39:29
Speaker 15: line and if Israelan's made a judgment based on what
39:32
Speaker 15: they see in their country, then we should back them
39:37
Speaker 15: all the way.
39:37
Speaker 3: It's a no brainer, and especially because the evidence has
39:41
Speaker 3: been presented to everyone. And also what concerns me Darren
39:45
Speaker 3: is that she didn't even bother to wait for the
39:46
Speaker 3: official investigation into the links between HUMAS and AUNRA before
39:52
Speaker 3: kickstarting our funding.
39:54
Speaker 7: Well, I think if you look at the vote, it
39:56
Speaker 7: was ninety two votes to ten in the Israeli parliament,
39:59
Speaker 7: so is not a close decision. And I think what
40:02
Speaker 7: Gary says is true that you have to respect the
40:04
Speaker 7: wishes of the Israeli parliament and act accordingly. So the government.
40:09
Speaker 7: I know they are playing an internationalist game and they
40:12
Speaker 7: are singing from the same song sheet as several other
40:17
Speaker 7: similar countries to ours, but you've got to respect the
40:20
Speaker 7: rights of the Israeli parliament on this one, I think.
40:22
Speaker 5: And there are other ways of giving aid.
40:24
Speaker 3: Aid is important, there are other ways of giving it
40:27
Speaker 3: without us all having concerns that we are enabling terrorism.
40:32
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just appalling. I actually can't believe we
40:35
Speaker 3: have this foreign minister. The sooner we get rid of
40:38
Speaker 3: her the better. Now, I don't usually think that former
40:42
Speaker 3: Labor Minister Kim Karr is worth listening to.
40:46
Speaker 5: He's as radical as they come.
40:48
Speaker 3: Yet he's given quite an interesting interview where he said
40:51
Speaker 3: that the Albaneze government can't afford to do a deal
40:54
Speaker 3: with the Greens, and he wants that the Greens will
40:57
Speaker 3: be asking labor to do things that they don't want
40:59
Speaker 3: to do and the historic pattern that has been that
41:03
Speaker 3: has led to quite negative outcomes. He's saying that we've
41:07
Speaker 3: got to do everything we can to avoid minority government. Now,
41:12
Speaker 3: Gary Kim Karr is a far left labor figure, but
41:16
Speaker 3: even he's warning that the Greens are going to make
41:19
Speaker 3: some quite serious demands on labor should Albanezi have to
41:24
Speaker 3: do a deal at the next election.
41:28
Speaker 15: Yeah, and we used to nickname him in a fun
41:31
Speaker 15: way kim Ilka. You know, it's giving a sort of
41:34
Speaker 15: Korean dictator kind of slant. But look, Kim car is right.
41:37
Speaker 15: How I can't even believe I'm saying that, because the
41:41
Speaker 15: Labor Party are going to be taken over by the Greens,
41:43
Speaker 15: even more than some elements of the Labor Party have
41:46
Speaker 15: already been taken over. We saw it in the Queens
41:48
Speaker 15: Out election, we saw it in the Act election back
41:50
Speaker 15: earlier this year, the Brisbane City Council election. People are
41:54
Speaker 15: actually voting against the Greens. Now, people are actually saying,
41:57
Speaker 15: you know what, your support of Hamas, your support and
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Speaker 15: comfort for terrorists, is not about the environment. It's about tyranny.
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Speaker 15: It's about anarchy and if the Labor Party want to
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Speaker 15: be involved with them, Kim Kim Ilka, there go, I've
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Speaker 15: done it again. Kim Karr is right, you know, stay
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Speaker 15: away from these people. They're bad people, making bad decisions
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Speaker 15: and speaking in our name on really the wrong issues
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Speaker 15: all the time. So Labor, you've got to be a
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Speaker 15: grown up party. Steer clear of them, I say, and
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Speaker 15: don't even give them preferences. Heaven's help us.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, now, just quickly those comments we played of Penniwong
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Speaker 3: a second ago. That was Pennywong back in March speaking
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Speaker 3: about Anna Rabbert. Today on social media and on Twitter,
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Speaker 3: you can pull up her statement or on X I
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Speaker 3: should say she condemned Israel over that decision to ban
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Speaker 3: Anra operating now Darren realistically, Albertiezi says he's not going
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Speaker 3: to do a deal with the Greens, but if it
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Speaker 3: comes to it, if it's his only way of staying
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Speaker 3: in power, I mean of course he's going to.
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Speaker 7: I think his preference would be to go to other
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Speaker 7: independents before relying on the Greens, because we saw what
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Speaker 7: happened last time and I worked for Julia, but Julia
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Speaker 7: Gillard signing effectively a declaration with Bob Brown was not
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Speaker 7: to her benefit at all. What Kim Car says is
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Speaker 7: absolutely true that unlike the coalition between the LNP in
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Speaker 7: Queenza but the Liberal National Coalition, the Greens are not
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Speaker 7: there to make Labor elected. There are many in the
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Speaker 7: Greens who their long term ambition is to take over
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Speaker 7: the progressive or the left vote to Labour's detriment. And
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Speaker 7: with that in mind, it's a dangerous thing for Labor
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Speaker 7: to go into coalition and they will do everything they
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Speaker 7: can to not go into a formal coalition with the Greens.
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Speaker 3: Just remind me, were you working for Julia Gillard when
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Speaker 3: it was the hung Parliament and there was that extraordinary
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Speaker 3: long negotiation with Oakshardan.
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Speaker 1: No, I wasn't.
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Speaker 7: I left Tanya's office at the end of the term
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Speaker 7: and I came back to Julia's office some time up.
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Speaker 7: But I did watch those eighteen minutes when for all
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Speaker 7: of us inside the show, it was perfectly obvious if
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Speaker 7: Catter had gone one way, the other two would going
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Speaker 7: the other way. So it was kind of in real time.
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Speaker 7: It was quite painful. I quite like robot Shop, but
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Speaker 7: it was a painful breast cots.
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Speaker 8: No.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, oakshots a topic for another day.
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Speaker 3: Gary Hargrave, Darren Barnett, thank you both very much.
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Speaker 2: Now, coming up after the break.
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Speaker 3: Why Donald Trump is distancing himself from a joke made
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Speaker 3: at one of his own rallies by a guest speaker
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Speaker 3: across Live to New York as this fallout intensifies. Plus
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Speaker 3: we'll talk about the crucial final days, just eight days
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Speaker 3: left of this presidential campaign. Okay, let's go Live to
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Speaker 3: the United States now and bring in the Australians. Washington
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Speaker 3: correspondent Adam Crichton. Adam, thanks for joining me again. Now
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Speaker 3: you were on the ground at the Madison Square Garden rally.
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Speaker 3: This was described as some Hitler Nazi affair, but actually
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Speaker 3: there were thousands and thousands of Jews who were there,
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Speaker 3: In fact, the Jewish community, I would say, mostly in
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Speaker 3: the US, and people hate hearing this, are supporting Trump
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Speaker 3: because they're single issue voters.
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Speaker 2: But what were your takeouts from the night.
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Speaker 16: Well, just the level of energy and the huge numbers
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Speaker 16: of people. I mean, it was fully a capacity twenty
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Speaker 16: thousand people. I had to cueue up three hours before
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Speaker 16: the start just to get in, and many thousands of people.
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Speaker 13: Were turned away outside.
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Speaker 16: And just on the Jewish issue, there were many Israeli
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Speaker 16: flags flying within the event. So the idea it was
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Speaker 16: some sort of Nazi ralliers is just totally absurd. It
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Speaker 16: was very peaceful, very happy. There's lots of energy, lots
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Speaker 16: of happiness. There were no fights, and it went for
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Speaker 16: six and a half hours, so you had, you know,
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Speaker 16: twenty thousand people in the stadium for six and a
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Speaker 16: half hours listening to Trump and his various allies.
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Speaker 13: And of course the media.
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Speaker 16: Has made a huge deal out of this one silly
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Speaker 16: joke that happened right at the start by the first speaker,
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Speaker 16: by a speaker that I'd never heard of, actually some
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Speaker 16: new comedian.
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Speaker 13: You know, he said a stupid joke.
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Speaker 3: But I've actually got those comments from that comedian.
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Speaker 2: So let's have a look at this.
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Speaker 4: But there's literally a floating island of garbage in the
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Speaker 4: middle of the ocean right now.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it's called Puerto Rico.
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Speaker 3: So this has actually sparked, as you say, a major
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Speaker 3: backlash in the media. The Trump campaign has had to
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Speaker 3: respond to this. They say that it doesn't reflect the
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Speaker 3: former president's views.
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Speaker 2: But you know why is he being blamed for this.
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Speaker 13: Well, because they're desperate, I think.
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Speaker 16: And if you look at the polls and if you
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Speaker 16: look at the political betting markets, everything has been moving
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Speaker 16: Trump's way.
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Speaker 13: I mean, just literally half an hour.
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Speaker 16: Ago, I checked the betting markets to see whether all
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Speaker 16: this drama had made any difference to what people think
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Speaker 16: the outcome will be. And in fact, Trump's chances of
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Speaker 16: winning has gone from sixty one to sixty three percent.
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Speaker 13: So I don't think it's really made any difference.
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Speaker 16: I mean, the reality is, I mean, who's going to
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Speaker 16: make a decision to vote based on a you know,
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Speaker 16: a random joke from a random comedian.
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Speaker 13: I mean I think it's I think it's very unlikely.
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Speaker 16: I think most sensible people know that this guy is
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Speaker 16: not he's not aligned with the Trump campaign.
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Speaker 13: So look, I think it'll I think it'll wash over.
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Speaker 3: I have to say, I think it's amazing that twenty
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Speaker 3: thousand people can sit for six and a half hours
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Speaker 3: engaged at a rally. I mean, can you imagine Albo
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Speaker 3: or really any of our political leaders trying to get
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Speaker 3: people up and stay stay awake for ten minutes, let
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Speaker 3: alone at six hours.
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Speaker 5: It's just amazing.
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Speaker 3: I want to quickly ask you about this Washington Post issue.
47:36
Speaker 3: They've decided it's a left leading newspaper. They've decided not
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Speaker 3: to endorse a candidate. There's now mass resignations and subscription cancelations.
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Speaker 3: People are so angry that they're not backing in Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: What's Jeff Bezos said about this?
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Speaker 16: Adam Well, look, well, I mean his director remarks, I
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Speaker 16: mean he wants to stay neutral.
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Speaker 13: I think in the face of a you know what
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Speaker 13: is likely at Trump victory.
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Speaker 16: But it's not just the Washington Post, it's also the
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Speaker 16: La Times as well that's decided not to endorse a candidate.
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Speaker 16: I mean, I think it's a pragmatic move, and you know, maybe,
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Speaker 16: if anything, it increases respect for these newspapers amongst the
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Speaker 16: general public, so they're not seen as such campaigning vehicles anymore.
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Speaker 16: But you know the reality is, I don't think many
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Speaker 16: people really base their votes on these editorials from you
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Speaker 16: know what, are fairly elite liberal newspapers anywhere.
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Speaker 3: I think they don't even have to give an official endorsement.
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Speaker 3: I actually do subscribe to the Washington Post because it's
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Speaker 3: just kind of entertaining to read.
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Speaker 5: The one sided coverage.
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Speaker 2: But there's no.
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Speaker 3: Question they support Kamala Harris anyway, Adam Crichton, thanks for
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Speaker 3: your time, and I'll see you everyone tomorrow at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 5: Right now, here's Paul Mariray.