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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Anarchists and idiots de send on Parliament House calling for
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  Speaker 2: the annihilation of Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Labor loses a Senator.
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  Speaker 2: Despite their weak approach to extremism, the Democrats continue to
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  Speaker 2: deny reality in the US.
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  Speaker 1: As Sleepy Joe pushes on.
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  Speaker 2: Plus, the work from home trend is killing small businesses.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget, of course. On a Thursday, Tim Blair and
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  Speaker 2: Mark Nicholson joined me. Let's get into it here on
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  Speaker 2: the other side of the world from the Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: in a blessed, peaceful, prosperous and free country, Australian politics
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  Speaker 2: and society is being fractured because of events in and
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  Speaker 2: around Israel and Gaza. The barbaric atrocities of Hummas, a
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  Speaker 2: bloodthirsty Islamist extremist terrorist group, are having exactly the impact
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  Speaker 2: their leaders and backers had hoped. You only had to
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  Speaker 2: see the disgraceful protest at Parliament House in Canberra today,
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  Speaker 2: the River to the Sea slogan calling for the annihilation
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  Speaker 2: of Israel, the upturned triangle a Hummus targeting symbol, and
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  Speaker 2: the meaningless gibberish of the protesters who oppose everything about
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  Speaker 2: Israel and tellingly, everything about Australia too.
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  Speaker 3: The alban Easy Labor government's assistant supports for this genocidal
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  Speaker 3: Jetler colonial state comes as no surprise. Australia is a
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  Speaker 3: nation founded among genocide. We will not begin, have we
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  Speaker 3: well continued to retint.
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  Speaker 2: These people are anarchists and idiots, sure, but they're joining
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  Speaker 2: a global protest.
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  Speaker 1: That's having an impact.
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  Speaker 2: Labor lost a senator today because even the ALP's shrinking
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  Speaker 2: support for Israel and soft approach to Palestidian extrememists wasn't
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  Speaker 2: enough for her. Fatimah Payman fled a brutal Islamist regime
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  Speaker 2: in Afghanistan to come to Australia. Labor put her into
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  Speaker 2: the Senate. Now she's quit Labor.
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  Speaker 4: My family did not flee from a war torn country
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  Speaker 4: to come here as refugees for me to remain silent
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  Speaker 4: when I theatrocities inflicted on innocent people. Witnessing our government's
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  Speaker 4: indifference to the greatest injustice of our times makes me
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  Speaker 4: question the direction the party is taking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, payment fled Islamist extremists in Afghanistan. Good on her,
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  Speaker 2: but now her actions give succor to the Islamist terrorists
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  Speaker 2: of Humas in Gaza. Too many people are taking the
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  Speaker 2: propaganda at face value.
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  Speaker 5: Here.
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  Speaker 2: They want to see this as a struggle between the
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  Speaker 2: oppressed and the oppressor, or resistance against a colonizing power.
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  Speaker 1: This is just simplistic and wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Senator Lydia Thorpe even turned up at Parliament House's midwinter
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  Speaker 2: ball last night emblazoned with the Hammas slogan calling for
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  Speaker 2: the elimination of Israel.
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  Speaker 1: What a party trickete.
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  Speaker 2: When you use the events of the past nine months
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  Speaker 2: to push the cause of Palestinian statehood, you are rewarding
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  Speaker 2: the sickening bloodlust of the Hummas terrorists. When Hamas invaded
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  Speaker 2: Israel on October seventh, slaughtering more than twelve hundred people, men,
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  Speaker 2: women and children, babies and children, Think about that, when
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  Speaker 2: they massacred nearly four hundred young people at a music festival,
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  Speaker 2: raped and mutilated young girls, and took two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty hostages, about half of them since killed, maybe more.
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  Speaker 1: When Hamas did.
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  Speaker 2: This, killing more Jews in a day than in any
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  Speaker 2: terrorist act since the Holocaust, they weren't fighting for a
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian homeland.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't fighting for a two states solution.
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  Speaker 2: They were fulfilling an Islamist extremist's goal of killing Jews,
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  Speaker 2: and their masters were intent on causing political chaos. So
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  Speaker 2: this attack was designed to terrorize Israel and draw Israel
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  Speaker 2: into a war, ensuring that Palestinians are caught up and
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  Speaker 2: killed in that war, and maximize that trauma, to generate
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  Speaker 2: sympathy for the Palestinian cause and turn the tables of
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  Speaker 2: world opinion against Israel.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen it time and time again.
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  Speaker 2: And thanks to the useful idiots in the United Nations
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  Speaker 2: and in Europe and in politics and academia, and thanks
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  Speaker 2: to the useful idiots like the ones we saw at
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  Speaker 2: Parliament House today, UMAs has got exactly what they wanted.
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  Speaker 2: In Parliament today, the Prime Minister addressed the protest, but
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  Speaker 2: not the issue.
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  Speaker 6: Peaceful protest has an important place in our society. That
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  Speaker 6: this was not a peaceful protest. These actions have done
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  Speaker 6: absolutely nothing to advance any cause. Indeed, they have hurt
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  Speaker 6: the cause that those engaged in this reckless activity believe
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  Speaker 6: they are advancing.
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  Speaker 2: The Opposition leader Peter Dutton took on the security lapse
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  Speaker 2: and the intolerable message.
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  Speaker 7: We need to understand the gravity of the situation because
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  Speaker 7: these images will be beamed around the world as they
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  Speaker 7: were when we saw those disgraceful, repugnant behaviors on the
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  Speaker 7: steps of the Sydney Opera House on October ninth, and
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  Speaker 7: we need to send a very clear message that it
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  Speaker 7: is completely and utterly unacceptable in our society, in our
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  Speaker 7: democracy that we would see those messages hanging from the
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  Speaker 7: front of this Parliament. They are anti Semitic. Rivets of
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  Speaker 7: the Sea is a statement about wiping out, eliminating a
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  Speaker 7: race of people. Let's be very clear about it. And
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  Speaker 7: there's been a lot of debate in this place about
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  Speaker 7: how that might work and whether those words have a
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  Speaker 7: different form of meaning or perhaps they can be justified
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  Speaker 7: in some way or other.
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  Speaker 1: They can't be and they never will be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's conviction politics. This unfolded today after revelations
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  Speaker 2: that the Albanezi government called in the Israeli ambassador last
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  Speaker 2: month and warned Israel not to go to war with Hesbelah.
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  Speaker 1: This is just incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Over the past few months, more than five thousand rockets
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  Speaker 2: have been fired by Hesbellah into southern Hesbella in southern Lebanon,
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  Speaker 2: firing them into Israel's north.
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  Speaker 1: While Israel has been at war, of course, with Hummas
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  Speaker 1: in its south.
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  Speaker 2: Up to sixty thousand Israelis have had to evacuate their
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  Speaker 2: homes in northern Israel to get their families out of
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  Speaker 2: harm's way from the Hesbellah attacks. So, with Israel under
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  Speaker 2: fire simultaneously from Hummas, from Hesbellah and from Iran's drones,
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  Speaker 2: Australia warns Israel not to defend itself.
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  Speaker 1: This is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: This has warped a strong and fair country like Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Shouldn't do this. You know who'd be happy with this approach?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hummus just what they're aiming to generate. They've slaughtered
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  Speaker 2: innocent Israelis and they continue to target them. Yet they
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  Speaker 2: convince activists and politicians that Israel is the problem. We
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  Speaker 2: need leaders who deal in truth and reality, and we
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  Speaker 2: need strong responses that are fair and just. We're not
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  Speaker 2: seeing that from the Albanese labor government. It's the fourth
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  Speaker 2: of July Independence Day, so congrats to all Americans. But
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  Speaker 2: the bad news is US democracy is in crisis. But
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  Speaker 2: while the Democrats like to say that Donald Trump is
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  Speaker 2: the threat to democracy. They've put it in periled themselves
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  Speaker 2: because for years now they they've pretended.
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  Speaker 1: That Joe Biden is up to the job.
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  Speaker 2: The president clearly is not up to the job and
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  Speaker 2: certainly isn't up to doing it for another four years.
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  Speaker 2: And while this has been clear for at least three
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  Speaker 2: years to anyone paying attention, the Democrats and their media
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  Speaker 2: mates have spun an alternative narrative.
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  Speaker 1: They've denied the.
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  Speaker 2: Truth, and they've misled the people backing Biden in for
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  Speaker 2: a second term. That was, of course, until last week's
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  Speaker 2: debates saw the reality confront the nation live to where
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  Speaker 2: impossible to deny.
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  Speaker 8: Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary
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  Speaker 8: person eligible for what I've been able to do with
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  Speaker 8: the with the COVID, I could be with dealing with
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  Speaker 8: everything we have to do with Look, if we finally
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  Speaker 8: beat Medicare.
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  Speaker 1: The repercussions are continuing. Check out the polls.
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  Speaker 2: Biden has fallen dramatically behind Donald Trump now. The New
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  Speaker 2: York Times poll has seen Trump's lead double from three
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  Speaker 2: percent to six percent. The Wall Street Journal shows an
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  Speaker 2: even greater jump. Biden was trailing by two points, but
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  Speaker 2: now is six points behind in that poll too. The
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  Speaker 2: USA Today poll had the candidates even before the debate,
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  Speaker 2: but now they have Biden trailing Trump by three points. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats are looking at disaster, a crumbling administration and
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  Speaker 2: a looming election train wreck. Democrat governors in Washington, for talks,
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  Speaker 2: have been going the delusional party line.
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  Speaker 1: I'm November.
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  Speaker 9: We've got a binary choice, and the binary choices between
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  Speaker 9: someone who has continually delivered for us and our steats
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  Speaker 9: and the people of our steats, and frankly, someone who's
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  Speaker 9: vision for the future of this country is downright dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: What we sat in there today was a guy who
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  Speaker 1: was the gay that all of us believed in the
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  Speaker 1: first time, who could be Donald Trump and did be
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  Speaker 1: done for it.
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  Speaker 2: But there are other Democrats who are more closely connected
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  Speaker 2: to reality.
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  Speaker 5: Putting our country first and putting aside your personal interest
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  Speaker 5: and make that tough decision like Linda Johnson did under
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  Speaker 5: different circumstances. Yeah, tot, and let us get an energetic
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  Speaker 5: new candidate.
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  Speaker 1: Biden is going to lose to Trump.
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  Speaker 7: I know that's difficult, but I think the damage has
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  Speaker 7: been done by that debate.
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  Speaker 8: President Biden has got to go out there in on
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  Speaker 8: a sustained base to show he has su stamina and
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  Speaker 8: can do the job.
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  Speaker 2: Let me walk you through some stuff to show you
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  Speaker 2: how ridiculous the situation is. It to be hilarious if
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  Speaker 2: we went talking about the leader of the free world.
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  Speaker 2: Just two days ago, the White House was blaming the
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  Speaker 2: Devike disaster on a could.
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  Speaker 10: Well, what I can tell you is that he had
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  Speaker 10: a colt in a bad night. I would not see
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  Speaker 10: this as an episode. I would see this as what
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  Speaker 10: it was and what we believe it to be, which
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  Speaker 10: is it was bad night and he did on top
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  Speaker 10: of that, he had a cold. And that is the
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  Speaker 10: reality of the situation. That is the reality of what
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  Speaker 10: happened that night.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, imagine having to run that garbage. But Kreeine Jean
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  Speaker 2: Pierre had to watch her own boss come up with
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  Speaker 2: another excuse that very night, Biden told campaign workers, and
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  Speaker 2: this is from the official White House transcript, Biden said
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  Speaker 2: he didn't have his best night, But the fact is
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't very smart. He decided to travel around the
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  Speaker 2: world a couple of times, going to I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how many time zones for real, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: fifteen time zones in a couple of weeks before the debate,
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  Speaker 2: he said, and he didn't listen to his staff, he said,
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  Speaker 2: and he came back and nearly fell asleep on the stage.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is just absolute rubbish, and I'll come back
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  Speaker 2: to explain that. But first up, what about the spokesperson.
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  Speaker 1: She said it was a cold. So the next day
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  Speaker 1: her reliability was questioned.
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  Speaker 11: Can you clarify whether when you took the podium yesterday
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  Speaker 11: did you not know that? And I would to say
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  Speaker 11: that is my bad.
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  Speaker 10: That is part of that is of definitely part of
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  Speaker 10: the explanation of what had occurred.
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  Speaker 9: I did know that.
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  Speaker 12: I did know that.
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  Speaker 10: I did I did know that, but we were so focused.
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  Speaker 10: I was so focused on the cold, and that's what
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  Speaker 10: I kind of leaned into and talked about. But yes,
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  Speaker 10: his schedule did have something.
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  Speaker 9: To do with it.
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  Speaker 10: It was the schedule and the cold, and I was
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  Speaker 10: aware of that yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a Seinfeld episode, and she's George Costanza, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she tells one little lie and then the lies escalate
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  Speaker 2: to try and cover up the last lie. The spikes
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  Speaker 2: person is straggling to keep up with the president's excuses,
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  Speaker 2: but has to pretend it's all her bad, because otherwise
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  Speaker 2: she confirms that the President is just making it up
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  Speaker 2: as he goes along.
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  Speaker 1: What a circus.
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  Speaker 2: But let's get back to this schedule. Excuse the jet
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  Speaker 2: lag excuse once more. It's complete Buncombe. Biden did do
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  Speaker 2: a quick trip to France for the D Day commemoration
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  Speaker 2: last month, then he went back to Italy for the
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  Speaker 2: G seven, but the president returned to the US twelve
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  Speaker 2: days before the debate. Biden flew into Los Angeles on Friday,
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  Speaker 2: June the fourteenth. He stayed in LA over the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: then he flew back to the White House on the
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  Speaker 2: Sunday night. He worked there for all of Monday and
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  Speaker 2: much of Tuesday before flying to his beach house in
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  Speaker 2: nearby Delaware.
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  Speaker 1: After a couple of days at.
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  Speaker 2: The beach, he flew with his family to Camp David,
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  Speaker 2: the presidential retreat in Maryland, also close to DC. He
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  Speaker 2: stayed there for a full week, resting and prepping for
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  Speaker 2: the debate for seven days before flying down to Atlanta
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  Speaker 2: for the debate. How can he be jet lagged after
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  Speaker 2: nearly a fortnight in the US and seven straight days
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  Speaker 2: at a retreat.
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  Speaker 13: If President Biden was fatigued during the debate because of
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  Speaker 13: overseas travel that was twelve days beforehand.
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  Speaker 1: Like he said he was last night.
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  Speaker 13: Doesn't that raise questions about his ability to effectively.
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  Speaker 1: Serve another a second term until he's eighty six?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, look, I think there's multiple factors here
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  Speaker 10: to consider. There was the travel. The travel led to
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  Speaker 10: a cold and I think that matters as well. And
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  Speaker 10: I think we've all been there. We've all been there.
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  Speaker 1: No, we haven't.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't been jet lagged into a catatonic state nearly
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  Speaker 2: two weeks after our overseas trip.
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  Speaker 1: That's just nonsense. See what Biden's done now.
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  Speaker 2: He's got everyone talking absolute garbage in order to defend
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  Speaker 2: his indefensible position. While he stays in the White House
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  Speaker 2: defiantly saying he'll run for a second term. The whole
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  Speaker 2: administration and the entire Democrat apparatus are forced to tell
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  Speaker 2: and to mislay the public, and that means they're trading
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  Speaker 2: voters like fools.
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  Speaker 1: It's fasty cool.
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  Speaker 10: If there are so many questions right now about whether
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  Speaker 10: President fighting can do this job, why are we not
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  Speaker 10: seeing the president out there every single day in an
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  Speaker 10: unscripted way without teleprompters.
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  Speaker 11: Well, you're good.
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  Speaker 10: You're going to see him today certainly, and I know
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  Speaker 10: you're asking about the teleprompter. You're going to see him tomorrow,
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  Speaker 10: right fourth of July. Look, it is not unusual for
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  Speaker 10: a president to use a teleprompter, it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is not unusual.
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  Speaker 10: That is something that presidents have done in the past.
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  Speaker 10: You'll see him out there connecting with the engaging with
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  Speaker 10: the American people, and I think that's important.
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  Speaker 11: But again, we're now almost a week after the debate.
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  Speaker 10: Why doesn't the president just come here right now and
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  Speaker 10: answer for himself with this briefing room all the questions out, Well,
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  Speaker 10: you you asked me a couple of things. You asked,
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  Speaker 10: when is he going to be unscripted? He has been
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  Speaker 10: when he went to visit a diner in a couple
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  Speaker 10: of days ago. At the waffle house.
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  Speaker 1: Really faired income.
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  Speaker 2: You want to see the leader of the free world
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  Speaker 2: speaking off the cuff, then have a look at him
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  Speaker 2: at a waffle house. Are these people serious? Do they
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  Speaker 2: not have any respect for democracy? Well, let's go to
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  Speaker 2: the waffle house.
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  Speaker 14: Maybe we did.
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  Speaker 15: Well jobs your performance. Don't you have any concerns about
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  Speaker 15: your performance?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm harding to be the lier. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, pretty convincing. More waffle, endless waffle. This is an
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  Speaker 2: unfolding tragedy for the United States. It's been clear since
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  Speaker 2: his first year in the Oval office that Biden could
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  Speaker 2: not run again, and I've said that clearly since that
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  Speaker 2: first year.
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  Speaker 1: Reality will kick in eventually, of course, but so.
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  Speaker 2: Much damage is being done while the administration tries to
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  Speaker 2: hold reality at bay. That reality, because of campaign finance rules,
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  Speaker 2: of course, is very complicated, and there are other complications
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  Speaker 2: as well that might make it too hard to draft
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  Speaker 2: in a new candidate like the state governor's Gavin us
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  Speaker 2: some more Gretchen Witchman. It might actually mean that Vice
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  Speaker 2: President Kamala Harris is the one something Donald Trump apparently expects.
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  Speaker 11: How did they do with the dive the other name.
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  Speaker 5: Broken down crab?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a bad he just quit. You know, he's
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  Speaker 11: quitting the wish? Is that right?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I got, And that means we have Kamala.
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  Speaker 10: I think she's going to be better.
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  Speaker 1: She's so bad, it's oh year.
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  Speaker 2: One thing we do though, is that if Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 2: takes over, it'll be a laugh. I can imagine what
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  Speaker 2: can be and be unburdened by what has been.
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  Speaker 11: You know, can be unburdened by what has been?
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  Speaker 1: What can be unburdened by what has been.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty burdened by what's going on at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know what can be. Can the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: let this happen now? Wonder the Great Republic is in
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  Speaker 2: a great deal of trouble. They need to sort it,
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  Speaker 2: and they need to sort it quick. Let's go to
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  Speaker 2: Camber now and catch up with Liberal Senator for New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales and former Australian Ambassador to Israel Dave Shama. Dave,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for joining us on what's been such a traumatic
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  Speaker 2: day on issues relating to the Middle East. I'll come
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  Speaker 2: to the protest in a moment, but first up, explain
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  Speaker 2: to me why the Australian government would be calling in
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli ambassador telling him to pass on the message
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  Speaker 2: that Israel should not go to war against Hezbelah, which
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  Speaker 2: is currently firing rockets into civilian populations in the north
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  Speaker 2: of Israel.
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  Speaker 16: Well, it's a government that's completely lost its moral compass
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  Speaker 16: and set a sense of right and wrong, and it's
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  Speaker 16: loyalty to traditional allies. I mean, firstly, to call in
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  Speaker 16: the ambassador from a friendly country is very unusual, almost unprecedented.
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  Speaker 16: That in itself is a sign to then have not
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  Speaker 16: the Foreign Minister do it, not the Secretary of the
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  Speaker 16: Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, but a junior minister,
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  Speaker 16: Tim Watts, who most people wouldn't have heard of. To
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  Speaker 16: do this stressing down to a senior diplomat is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 16: But thirdly, it completely misunderstands the strategic situation. I mean,
• 19:39
  Speaker 16: Israel's north is depopulated. About eighty thousand people have not
• 19:42
  Speaker 16: been able to go to their home there because of
• 19:44
  Speaker 16: the threat of rocket fire from Hesbela. Israel doesn't want
• 19:48
  Speaker 16: to fight a war with Hesbelah, but it is saying
• 19:50
  Speaker 16: that until such time as Hesbla stops firing rockets at them,
• 19:54
  Speaker 16: they all have to be prepared to address the source
• 19:56
  Speaker 16: of that threat. It's extraordinary that Australia would not say,
• 20:00
  Speaker 16: when faced with an attack by a terrorist organization, we
• 20:03
  Speaker 16: will support your right to defend yourself Israel. That's extraordinary.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Well, this is exactly the point, isn't it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: They've got Hamas on their south that's slaughtered their people,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and they're trying to deal with that threat. They've got
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Hesbela still firing rockets in They've had a drone attack
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: come down from Iran, and allies like Australias should be
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: wholeheartedly supporting Israel and warning these other nations and entities
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: to stop these attacks because they will be thwarted absolutely.
• 20:32
  Speaker 16: I mean, if we're serious, we should be demanding the
• 20:35
  Speaker 16: UN Security Council enforced Resolution seventeen oh one, which says
• 20:39
  Speaker 16: that the south of Lebanon, south of the Latani River
• 20:41
  Speaker 16: must be demilitarized.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: That meant Hesbla needs to get out.
• 20:44
  Speaker 16: We should be telling the Lebanese government you've got to
• 20:46
  Speaker 16: rain in Hesbla, and we should be issuing public warnings
• 20:49
  Speaker 16: to Hesblood. These are the bad guys here, These are
• 20:51
  Speaker 16: the people who are likely to start the conflict. Israel
• 20:54
  Speaker 16: just wants to be left in peace, but it cannot
• 20:57
  Speaker 16: afford to live with groups like Hamas and Hesblah on
• 21:00
  Speaker 16: its borders when they are prepared to do the sorts
• 21:02
  Speaker 16: of things we've staiw done on the seventh of October,
• 21:05
  Speaker 16: and no nation would tolerate that, and Australians would certainly
• 21:08
  Speaker 16: not tolerate that.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: It's pretty clear that this labor government is less interested
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: in standing up for those matters of an alliance of
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: an ally like Israel, and standing up for those matters
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: of great strategic importance in the Middle East, and it's
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: more interested in buttressing itself against criticism will votes from
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Muslim communities in Australia and had to deal with that
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: today because it's lost a Muslim senator from Western Australia,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Fatama Payment.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Here's what she had to say.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Palestinian liberation is a matter that has impacted everyone with
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: a conscience.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It is a matter that's not just.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: A Jewish verse Muslim issue. This is a matter about humanity,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: about freedom, about equality, and I know that there are
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: decent people out there who want to see a free
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: power star.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I find it difficult to believe a woman who fled
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: to Australia from an Islamist extremist regime in Afghanistan can
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: say and do anything that gives comfort to the Islamist
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: extremists of Hummus. But putting that to one side, do
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you expect that what Fatima Payment has done is going
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to increase labor sensitivities in this area.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Or will it be a trigger.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: For them to actually get stronger and show some clear
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: purpose on this issue.
• 22:26
  Speaker 16: Well, I think you know, they're sort of reaping what
• 22:28
  Speaker 16: they sawd here later. I mean, Albernezi has been weak
• 22:31
  Speaker 16: on this issue. His whole front bench has been trying
• 22:34
  Speaker 16: to be all things to all people on this issue.
• 22:36
  Speaker 16: Rather than saying there's a right side on the wrong
• 22:38
  Speaker 16: side here there's a country we support and there's a
• 22:40
  Speaker 16: terrorist organization we oppose. They've tried to sort of, you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 16: fill it with platitudes like we support peace and we
• 22:46
  Speaker 16: want peaceful coexistence. And as a result, I think people
• 22:50
  Speaker 16: have seen that weakness as an exploit and fatom of
• 22:52
  Speaker 16: payment first and foremost amongst them. I think she's sensed
• 22:55
  Speaker 16: the weakness in his leadership and sends an opportunity to
• 22:58
  Speaker 16: promote herself. I don't agree with what she's done. I
• 23:00
  Speaker 16: think it's narcissistic to be honest, but I think you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 16: when you don't show any moral courage on these issues,
• 23:07
  Speaker 16: like apne Albanezi has failed to do, this is what
• 23:10
  Speaker 16: sort of results because people don't know where you stand
• 23:13
  Speaker 16: on these things.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, Alberanzi should have expelled her from the Labor Party.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Should have had her expelled for a breaching Labor Party policy,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: but he was too weak to do that.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Now she's the tail that's wagging the Labor dog.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Now I want to go to these protests distasteful as.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: They were at the front of Parliament House.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: There are two elements to this and I thought, you'll
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Leader Peter Dutton was spot on because he actually spoke
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: about both of them. He didn't defend the protesters. But
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: there's the security breach which is a worry, and it's
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: also the repugnant message that these people were displaying to
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: the world courtesy of our Capitol Hill.
• 23:45
  Speaker 16: Absolutely absolutely, I think it was revolt. I mean it
• 23:49
  Speaker 16: reminds me of the images that were broadcast from the
• 23:51
  Speaker 16: Opera House here on the ninth of October and the
• 23:54
  Speaker 16: sort of image it sends of Australia to the rest
• 23:56
  Speaker 16: of the world, where where a country sort of dominated
• 23:59
  Speaker 16: by extremists and radicals and people who support you know,
• 24:04
  Speaker 16: the abolition of a democratic free state and its people,
• 24:08
  Speaker 16: you know, from the river to the sea. But it's
• 24:10
  Speaker 16: also a gross security failing and that should trouble us.
• 24:13
  Speaker 16: You know, where lawmakers meet and assemble to debate and
• 24:17
  Speaker 16: contest and decide issues of the day. They need to
• 24:19
  Speaker 16: be able to do that without fear of violence or intimidation,
• 24:23
  Speaker 16: to state the obvious. And if protesters like that can
• 24:26
  Speaker 16: breach security measures and do what they did well, they
• 24:28
  Speaker 16: could probably do a whole lot more too.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so worry. Thanks so much for joining us, Dove,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 16: Thanks so much, Chris.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Dave Shama, the Liberal Senator live from Canberra. We'll come
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: back to some of these issues later in the program.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: We've got to take a break now. After the break
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: we'll catch up with Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson. We'll
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: talk about Joe Biden digging his heels in plus electric
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: vehicle sales are falling yet again. Trying to catch up
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: with a couple of blokes who I'm certain must be
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: scripting event. It's in Washington, d C at the moment.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: That is Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph and his
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: blog on that website, as well as well as Martin
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Nicholson from.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Step Mate Studios. Thanks for joining you.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Second, guys, Look, I've been talking about some of the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: serious serramifications of what's.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Going down in Canberra and in Washington. So let's let's
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: start with a little bit of light relief.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I love this little video mash up of the Joe
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Biden's strategy.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Let us know what you think. I know, like millions of.
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: America's novel when you get knocked down, you get back up.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: It's a great song that when I get down eventually
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I reckon. Marky's a bit more like that in excess song,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: you know, falling down a mountain, end up kissing dirt.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 25:53
  Speaker 14: Honestly, in the last couple of days, I have ebbed
• 25:55
  Speaker 14: and flowed between laughing at the state of the Union
• 25:59
  Speaker 14: and this whole mess, to being absolutely terrified the disparity
• 26:05
  Speaker 14: that you see from Biden at that rally, friendly, friendly family,
• 26:09
  Speaker 14: everyone's around him, live audience, midday teleprompter. He's doing so
• 26:14
  Speaker 14: well too, literally on his ass falling over. And we
• 26:17
  Speaker 14: saw ninety minutes during that debate. It was an absolute
• 26:21
  Speaker 14: train wreck. And honestly, like I said, I laughed one
• 26:25
  Speaker 14: moment and then the next minute, I go, hang on,
• 26:27
  Speaker 14: this is the same guy that might get lifted out
• 26:29
  Speaker 14: of his bed at three o'clock in the morning and
• 26:31
  Speaker 14: charged into a room and will have to decide what
• 26:34
  Speaker 14: to do with in response to nuclear war.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: It's terrifying. This is the thing is. It is terrifying.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: It's terrifying for all of us, but Tim, the only
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: people that's not terrifying for is Vladimir Putin and Jiji
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Ping and the leadership of Armas on the line.
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: They ever had a better sort of chance to do
• 26:53
  Speaker 13: whatever they want. I mean, it's not as if the
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: America is gonna it's got a lot of capacity pushback.
• 26:58
  Speaker 13: Although then again we don't know really who's pulling pulling
• 27:01
  Speaker 13: the strings at the moment. Definitely isn't Joe Biden, so
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: maybe there's some tough guys behind the scenes. Just by
• 27:05
  Speaker 13: the way, the Chumba Lumba song is delightful and catchy
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: and so on as it is, it's not really that
• 27:10
  Speaker 13: appropriate because it says I fall down and I get
• 27:13
  Speaker 13: up again, and he doesn't. He just keeps falling, He
• 27:19
  Speaker 13: falls up stairs, he lies gravity.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: So we need album, we need it, We need Elbow
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: to do some of his dejaying on and just I
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: fall down, I fall down, I fall down on.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: It and much more accurate. Let's just have one quick
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: look at one exit from the debate.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: It's nearly a week ago now, but to me, in
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: many respects, this summed it all up.
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: And I'm going to continue to move until we get
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: the total band on, the total initiative relative to what
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: we're going to do with more border patrol and more officers.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the end of this. I don't think he knows what
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: he said either. Tim.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: That was such killer blow, soft spoken, but made the point.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: And this is where Trump is really impressive. I'm no
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: big Trump fan, as you know, but gee, he's playing
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: this smart.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I when I showed the clip.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Before social media clip, he's out on the golf course.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: He's staying away from this. He knows he doesn't have
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to sledge hammer Biden the way he's just.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Leaving this mess alone for them to destroy themselves.
• 28:21
  Speaker 13: It's extraordinary. They designed a whole game, if you want
• 28:24
  Speaker 13: to call that debate a game. They designed a whole
• 28:26
  Speaker 13: game with the rules against Trump, every single bit of them.
• 28:29
  Speaker 13: You know there'd be no audience, the no, no, nothing.
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: And also with Biden, he had all the advantages of
• 28:36
  Speaker 13: ten days of prep and you know, a million people
• 28:38
  Speaker 13: surrounding him and helping him. It was all designed to
• 28:42
  Speaker 13: crush Trump. And he won because his opponent, his opponent
• 28:46
  Speaker 13: would have lost if he just stood out there himself.
• 28:48
  Speaker 13: As we said before, he destroyed himself. And there's Trump
• 28:51
  Speaker 13: just walking on like, you know, easiest game in the world.
• 28:53
  Speaker 13: He's playing against an infant, really.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Sure, And now it's all about the excuses. Where were
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: six days host debate and we're into about excuse number five.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look at Jean Pierre Krein.
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: Jean Pierre here, it's the jet lag and also the
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: called right. It is the two things and that occurred
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: and you all heard it in his voice when he
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: did the debate.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Just incredible.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Just to insult the American public like this, to tell
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: them that this is reality is so stupid. It really
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: plays into Trump's hands too, because that's what he hates most,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: is the way people just insult voters, intelligence and Mark.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: The killer is that they're willing Biden out for an interview.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: We discussed on the show briefly last night. I didn't
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: realize at the time it's not going to be a
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: live interview, and it's with George Stephanopoulos, the former right
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: hand man of Bill Clinton.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So again they're trying to give the.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Easiest possible ride to Biden.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, the heaven, heaven forbid that he should front
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: up a news conference or do a live interview.
• 29:59
  Speaker 14: Exactly. They won't do it. They won't make that mistake again.
• 30:02
  Speaker 14: And it's I think you're right, you hit the nail
• 30:03
  Speaker 14: on the head there as well. It's the gas lighting
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: that I think is the most appalling bit of this.
• 30:07
  Speaker 14: We've all seen the reports, We've all seen those rumors
• 30:10
  Speaker 14: have been him falling asleep in meetings, at summits and
• 30:13
  Speaker 14: all that sort of stuff, taking twenty minutes to get
• 30:15
  Speaker 14: into the car, but then to watch it happen in
• 30:17
  Speaker 14: ninety minutes before our eyes, and then to hear all
• 30:20
  Speaker 14: of these sort of post debate excuses that don't even
• 30:23
  Speaker 14: make sense. I don't want No one wants a president
• 30:26
  Speaker 14: who can get taken down by jet lag, let alone
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: long jet lag from twelve days ago, a cold or
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: anything like that. It's it's atrocious. And like I'm a
• 30:36
  Speaker 14: big fan of American politics. I've loved it for a
• 30:38
  Speaker 14: long time. And before my time, it was nineteen eighty four,
• 30:40
  Speaker 14: the Reagan debate, and everyone had a question about his
• 30:44
  Speaker 14: age in that debate as well, and the moderator asked him,
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: are you too old to be the president? He was
• 30:50
  Speaker 14: sixty seven, by the way, fifteen years younger than Joe Vibe.
• 30:53
  Speaker 14: And he turned around and said, look, I'm not going
• 30:55
  Speaker 14: to use my opponent's youth or inexperience against him. He
• 30:58
  Speaker 14: brought the house down in one sense, and he made
• 31:01
  Speaker 14: it very clear that he was right to be president.
• 31:03
  Speaker 14: Joe Biden didn't finish a sentence. That's how bad we've
• 31:06
  Speaker 14: got it at the moment.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: It's terrible, unbelievable, unbelievable.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Let's leave it there, because we've been coming back to
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: this many times more in coming days and weeks, no doubt.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I want to get to electric vehicles, tim favorite subject
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: of yours, and I'm thinking, I think if they've improved
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: the charging facilities in western Victoria now for Borsham or
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Arrow Rattle, the like, I've got some good charges available
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Now might be the time.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Because the sales are plummeting and they're discounting like crazy.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: You can get yourself for cheap ev This.
• 31:40
  Speaker 13: Is exactly what I've been waiting for all this time, Chris.
• 31:45
  Speaker 13: I've been waiting all this time for them to come
• 31:47
  Speaker 13: down to a point where I can afford.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: You've not just been waiting, You've been actively talking them down.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: You've played the market.
• 31:55
  Speaker 13: I haven't done it very well.
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: They're still not free.
• 31:58
  Speaker 13: Give it another couple of weeks and then then I
• 32:01
  Speaker 13: might jump in and you know, here we go. He's
• 32:04
  Speaker 13: he's our great test driver.
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: I love this.
• 32:06
  Speaker 13: Please let this flick go just a little bit longer, please, please, please,
• 32:09
  Speaker 13: damn we didn't he always the gutter.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: You can't drive.
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: But yeah, if they keep going so far down, I'll
• 32:17
  Speaker 13: pick one up, just as a novelty. It might be
• 32:19
  Speaker 13: a bit of fun, you know. We'll get around in
• 32:21
  Speaker 13: a glorified golf buggy. Who knows.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Now I'm going to I'm going to show you something
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: mark that possibly could implicate you, because I don't know if.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: You were in Brisbane lately.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: You were in Brisbane just weeks ago. And there's a
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: cafe in Brisbane that had to ban dogs due to
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: an anonymous complaint.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: We know who you are.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Dogs must sit out the front or right out the back.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: We're sorry, no dogs in the middle of the cafe.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: After your run ins with kangaroos and dogs of various descriptions,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: this could have been.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: You man, I would have been in fear. But if
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I had my boy up in Brisbane.
• 32:59
  Speaker 14: If Virgin let me take my my my dog on
• 33:02
  Speaker 14: the flight like they promised they were going to let me,
• 33:04
  Speaker 14: and I took him up to Brisbane and couldn't get
• 33:06
  Speaker 14: him to a cafe, I would have been devastated. That
• 33:08
  Speaker 14: being said, I can actually kind of understand this one.
• 33:10
  Speaker 14: Some people are taking their dogs everywhere. It's ridiculous, and
• 33:13
  Speaker 14: they're poorly behave. They're running around on you know, on
• 33:15
  Speaker 14: the lead. They're getting pushed around everywhere. It's too much.
• 33:18
  Speaker 14: So I can I can kind of understand it. But like,
• 33:21
  Speaker 14: who doesn't love dogs? Interesting question?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I'm the president of the Andie Dog Association.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Is you put up with dogs outside the cafe and whatever, right,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: even if you don't like it, they're there, But I
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: mean taking.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Them into the restaurant They're a bit much, isn't it. Tim?
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: Well, yeah, I'm more a favorite dogs than other other
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: sort of you know, mammals. I guess I to a
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: fantastic I went to a fabulous, fantastic grilled oyster restaurant
• 33:54
  Speaker 13: in Texas where there were signs indicating that they banned
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: both children and midgets.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Now that wouldn't pass the senses in this country, that's
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: for sure. Thanks for joining us, Tim Blair and Mark
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Nicholson will catch up with you next week. Read Tim
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Stuff Virus bloged by the Daily Telegraph website, and keep
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: an eye out for the please explain cartoons that Mark
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: and the step Nate's studio.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Crew put together.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I've got to take a break on the other side
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: of it and talk about how the work from home
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: trend is killing cafes and small businesses. Plus we we'll
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: turn to those protests at Parliament House with Keith Pitton.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: We've spoken a.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Bit lately about our CBDs around the country is still
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: being pretty much empty during the week because so many
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: people are working from home, which is great for big
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: business apparently, but what about small business?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: A man arose from Small Business Women Australia joins me
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: on the desk. Here again, this is terrible, isn't it?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Working from my ear?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I know big business is still trying to get people
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: back to the office more and more, but they don't
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: care so much as long as the work's getting done.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: But the and the practices of their workers and the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: bureaucrats it's killing small business. It is.
• 35:05
  Speaker 17: It's a bit of a mess, right because you know,
• 35:08
  Speaker 17: there are different groups of people that work from home
• 35:11
  Speaker 17: and will not change because their lifestyle. For example, mums,
• 35:14
  Speaker 17: they've saved two hours a day, so they're not going
• 35:16
  Speaker 17: to come back. So the large companies need to incentivize
• 35:21
  Speaker 17: people to come back to the office. Because what's happening is,
• 35:23
  Speaker 17: especially in the city, the businesses they used to feed
• 35:26
  Speaker 17: the people, there's no one there and so they have
• 35:30
  Speaker 17: to cut back on their staff and they and if
• 35:31
  Speaker 17: they're not bringing the money, you have to close down.
• 35:33
  Speaker 17: It has a ripple effect, right.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And look I've said there's so many times, right,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: we're not saying we have to go back the way
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: things were. This added flexibility, especially for families, is fantastic,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: but a lot of people are having a lend, right.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: You know, you know it's busy at the beach in.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: The park and the local cafe on Friday.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: And Monday, and you know there's only the only time
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: there's traffic around town is sort of Wednesday and Thursday.
• 35:55
  Speaker 17: Well that's right, but also don't forget that a lot
• 35:57
  Speaker 17: of this is led by the large landlords who are
• 36:00
  Speaker 17: freaking out because they're selling off their commercial space at
• 36:02
  Speaker 17: a twelve twenty percent loss to overseas investors because no
• 36:06
  Speaker 17: one's in there. So they're leading the charge here of
• 36:10
  Speaker 17: getting people back to work. But I think if we
• 36:12
  Speaker 17: take the small business focus, this is where governments, councils
• 36:16
  Speaker 17: and state government really need to step in and say, right,
• 36:19
  Speaker 17: what can we do to incentivize people even to leave
• 36:22
  Speaker 17: their house in the area to come into the city
• 36:26
  Speaker 17: to buy something from them?
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Keeper parking, easier parking, that's right, If.
• 36:31
  Speaker 17: There was free parking on Fridays, everyone would come into
• 36:34
  Speaker 17: the city to work, right. And also we need to
• 36:36
  Speaker 17: remember that during the lockdowns, large supermarkets willow to stay open,
• 36:40
  Speaker 17: but the small business is shut down and they're still
• 36:42
  Speaker 17: trying to recover, right, So maybe they should shut down
• 36:45
  Speaker 17: the supermarkets in the city and then everyone's forced to
• 36:48
  Speaker 17: go to a local business to buy their lunch.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: The other thing is that there's an evolution here.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: As we say, things will never go back to quite
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the same as they were before, and there are small
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: businesses in the suburbs, even just the cafes in the suburbs.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: They're doing a lot more trade.
• 37:02
  Speaker 17: Right or they are so, But you have to leave
• 37:03
  Speaker 17: the house to do that. So a lot of people
• 37:05
  Speaker 17: don't even want to leave their house when they work
• 37:06
  Speaker 17: from home, so.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: You get coffee delivered.
• 37:09
  Speaker 17: Some people actually do, but they're also making it from
• 37:11
  Speaker 17: home because you know what, You've got the cost of living.
• 37:13
  Speaker 17: So you've got that added component now where people are
• 37:16
  Speaker 17: cutting back from their two coffees a day to one.
• 37:18
  Speaker 17: And we know that cafes make their profit off coffee.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: So the first thing is the sea is the city
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: councils and looking at those ways to make it more
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: attractive for people.
• 37:27
  Speaker 17: Instead of trying to protest and make big moves on
• 37:30
  Speaker 17: irrelevant things overseas, they need to focus right at home
• 37:34
  Speaker 17: and make sure that their business are surviving.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, spot on. Thanks for joining us again, a Manta,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Amanda Rose there from Small Business Women Australia.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Let's get back down to camera and catch up with
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the former Resources Minister Nationals.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: MP Keith Pitt. Thanks for joining us.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Keith I noticed this morning you're out there in the
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: fore court of Parliament House, that wonderful building. We have
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: an image of it there behind you, but with those
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: protesters out there. Give us your thoughts about what went
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: on and how it was handled.
• 38:02
  Speaker 18: Chris Firsley, what a bunch of numpties. If you want
• 38:04
  Speaker 18: to protest, fine, but don't do it in a place
• 38:07
  Speaker 18: where you put yourself at risk and potentially the police
• 38:09
  Speaker 18: at risk and the public at risk and try to
• 38:11
  Speaker 18: close down Australia's democracy.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine how many people are in the building
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: that time of day.
• 38:17
  Speaker 18: It's thousands, a lot of school kids, and Chris, I'm
• 38:21
  Speaker 18: starting to think about what's the worst potential outcome here.
• 38:24
  Speaker 18: If they can jump the fence with something like that,
• 38:28
  Speaker 18: who could shot up with a backpack do the same
• 38:30
  Speaker 18: thing and get into the building. So I think we've
• 38:32
  Speaker 18: got a serious issue here around security. But I don't
• 38:35
  Speaker 18: want to see this turn into something that we're not.
• 38:37
  Speaker 18: I think the ability for the Australian public to interact
• 38:40
  Speaker 18: with us as MPs is really important to our democracy
• 38:43
  Speaker 18: and to our nation as a whole.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't surprise me they're able to get up
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: there because there are security. Armed security goes right around
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: the front of that building all the time. Maybe they
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: were standing in there under the veranda, so to speak,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: and didn't see them, But of course there's going to
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: be reviews, but already Parliament House is a lot less
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: accessible than it used to be.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: You know, the public used to be able to walk.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Up there on the lawns, and that whole idea of
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: being able to walk over the top of your democratic headquarters.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: And there's so many more limits. So this is just
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: going to make it worse.
• 39:13
  Speaker 18: Right, Oh, there was one hundred million dollar plus security
• 39:17
  Speaker 18: upgrade a number of years ago, and yet we've got
• 39:20
  Speaker 18: a hole like this.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: And it's not about me as an MP.
• 39:23
  Speaker 18: It's about all the staff that work here that deserve
• 39:26
  Speaker 18: to be safe, and everyone else that's in the building.
• 39:28
  Speaker 18: And the idea that these group of individuals who were
• 39:32
  Speaker 18: so proud of their protest Chris that they covered their
• 39:34
  Speaker 18: faces so no one could identify them. That's how proud
• 39:37
  Speaker 18: they were of what they were doing. They're just trying
• 39:39
  Speaker 18: to stir up issues across the country. They can't do anything.
• 39:42
  Speaker 18: They'll have no impact on what happens in the Middle East,
• 39:45
  Speaker 18: and yet we'll have to deal with it here in Australia.
• 39:47
  Speaker 18: And I'm just worried about where our country's headed.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm deeply worried about it too, because if the
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: way that various state authorities deal with the climate extinction
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: rebellion and blockaid protests. We can expect that these people
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: won't be given custary your sentences, they won't spend time
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: in jail.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: They'll just get a fine and they'll go out and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: do it again.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: So we've got to see state and federal authorities right
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: around the country when we have these protests that endanger
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: people or disrupt the lives of other people.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: You have to pay a penalty. It has to be
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: time in jail or they'll all just keep doing it.
• 40:22
  Speaker 18: I agree with you one hundred percent, but don't forget
• 40:24
  Speaker 18: here in the act. You'll get a bigger fine for
• 40:27
  Speaker 18: not wearing a helmet on your scooter than you will
• 40:29
  Speaker 18: for three or four hits of ice or heroin. So
• 40:32
  Speaker 18: it's a real problem. You have to be punished when
• 40:35
  Speaker 18: you do these types of things. And we've seen people
• 40:38
  Speaker 18: pouring paint in the front of public buildings.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: We've seen this issue.
• 40:41
  Speaker 18: We saw them paint the marble Reared outside a couple
• 40:43
  Speaker 18: of years ago. Now, sure, you can have your practest,
• 40:46
  Speaker 18: you can have your opinion, but their right to free
• 40:48
  Speaker 18: speech has been brought to them by the people that
• 40:50
  Speaker 18: defended this nation and fought for those rights of democracy
• 40:54
  Speaker 18: over any number of years, and yet they go and
• 40:56
  Speaker 18: to face the war memorial. So I sek, it's really
• 40:59
  Speaker 18: starting to get out of hand. We've got to throw
• 41:01
  Speaker 18: the book at them.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Well, what about the substance of the protest here right?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a repugnant protest. They're calling for the
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: annihilation of Israel from the river to the sea. They're
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: using humas symbols, and it's for good measure. They effectively
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: say that Australia is illegitimate, that we shouldn't have settled
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: this country, and there's been genocide ever since, and it's
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: just repugnant messaging.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: And then you're.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Midwinter ball there inside Parliament House, in the Great Hall
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: of Parliament House.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Last night, Senator Lydia.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Thorpe wears a dress that also carries that offensive slogan
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: She's wearing a dress supporting the annihilation of Israel. And
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: we wonder why we get numpties climbing on the building
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the next day.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And there'll be more, Chris, I'm sure they'll be more.
• 41:48
  Speaker 18: We're into five week break and they'll continue to push
• 41:52
  Speaker 18: these protests because they want the disruption, they want the upset. Well,
• 41:56
  Speaker 18: I don't want to see that. I'm now living in
• 41:59
  Speaker 18: a country wherewey kids are afraid to go to school,
• 42:01
  Speaker 18: they call out at the universities. That's not the nation
• 42:04
  Speaker 18: I know. It's not the nation I grew up in.
• 42:06
  Speaker 18: It's not the one I want to see into the future.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: It is absolutely ridiculous.
• 42:10
  Speaker 18: And these people have a right to protest, but they
• 42:12
  Speaker 18: don't have a right to disrupt the lives of others.
• 42:15
  Speaker 18: And we need state governments and territory governments to crack
• 42:18
  Speaker 18: down on them, because once.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: You send a message that you will get.
• 42:21
  Speaker 18: Jail time for these types of behavior, I'll guarantee you
• 42:24
  Speaker 18: it'll stop.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well said Keith. Thanks for joining us and
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: have a good weekend. Keith Pitt, their National's MP life
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: from Camber. We're going to get to a break on
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the other side, We're going to talk about the polls
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: opening now in the UK and predictions of a Conservative wipeout.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I'll talk about the US shambles and the UK election with.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer. Next.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Well, we all love an election, don't we, And of course,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: As I mentioned, the polls are now open in the UK.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Our own Laura Jays is over.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: There shall be all over it for Sky News as
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the results coming tomorrow. Everybody's expecting Labor landslide. I ask
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer what he is to be Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 19: I think it will be a catastrophe for the Conservative Party.
• 43:11
  Speaker 19: They won three hundred and sixty five seats at the
• 43:14
  Speaker 19: last election, which was.
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: In twenty nineteen.
• 43:18
  Speaker 19: The expectation is that they'll win around one hundred seats
• 43:22
  Speaker 19: this time, so that it will be a massive loss
• 43:25
  Speaker 19: for them, and Labor will end up.
• 43:28
  Speaker 11: With a huge majority.
• 43:30
  Speaker 19: So will it'll be a catastrophe for the Conservative Party
• 43:35
  Speaker 19: and Labor will lead up with such a big majority
• 43:39
  Speaker 19: there will be very little opposition in the Parliament to them.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they might be going to do whatever they want,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: which plays into these final messages from the two leaders.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: The vote and the power.
• 43:52
  Speaker 13: The vote is used yours tomorrow, and if you want change,
• 43:57
  Speaker 13: you have to vote for it, because change only happens
• 44:00
  Speaker 13: if you vote for it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 12: A Labor government that might have a supermajority to hike
• 44:08
  Speaker 12: up everyone's taxes by thousands of pounds to shift our
• 44:12
  Speaker 12: politics to the left, to make sure we do absolutely
• 44:15
  Speaker 12: nothing to clamp down on a legal migration.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kirstamo here of course, making sure people do turn
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: up and vote, don't take it for granted. And Richie
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: soon next saying, look at with a big majority, they'll
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: up your taxes and do all those things that are
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: left of center. Governments like to do a bit of
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: fear mongering. But it's not going to frighten people enough.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: No.
• 44:40
  Speaker 19: I mean, the Conservatives have destroyed themselves through their constant
• 44:45
  Speaker 19: changes of leadership. The collapse of the Boris Johnson leadership
• 44:50
  Speaker 19: followed by the catastrophic Liz trust time forty nine days
• 44:57
  Speaker 19: as the Prime minister them left them in the shambles.
• 45:03
  Speaker 11: Really, they're very divided party.
• 45:06
  Speaker 19: Rishie Sunak has done his best over the period he's
• 45:10
  Speaker 19: been the Prime Minister eighteen months or so to try
• 45:13
  Speaker 19: and pull the show back together again, but he hasn't
• 45:17
  Speaker 19: really been successful. There's too much division in the party,
• 45:21
  Speaker 19: too much internal fighting. I mean, people have just had
• 45:27
  Speaker 19: enough of the Conservatives now after fourteen years and no
• 45:32
  Speaker 19: excuses and no scare campaigns going to work.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Now you're in the US at the moment. Of course,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the politics in the US has just been in absolute
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: chaos over the past week. After the debate, we knew
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: that Joe Biden wouldn't be able to stand up in
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: a live television debate, and of course the whole performance
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: was pretty terrible.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: This is probably the worst bit.
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: Thinking true that we're able to make every single solitary
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: person eligible for what I've been able to do with
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: the with the COVID, with dealing with everything we have
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: to do with if we finally beat medicare.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Just terrible stuff.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Now, Alexander down are they're going to have to get
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: rid of Joe Biden. They can't put him up for
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: another four years.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: But there's an easy way to do this in a
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: hard way.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: The easy way is he resigns tomorrow and you already
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: have a new president. The vice president steps up, Kamala Harris,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: and she becomes the candidate, even though most people think
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: she's not a very good one, or they have to
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: go through a very difficult process, probably at the convention
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: to choose a new ticket.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Do you have any inkling what's going to happen?
• 46:47
  Speaker 19: Well, I think Joe Biden in the end will be
• 46:50
  Speaker 19: persuaded to stand down. What they'll do to find another
• 46:54
  Speaker 19: candidate is a very open question.
• 46:56
  Speaker 11: They won't want Kamala Harris.
• 46:58
  Speaker 19: Because she's self very unpopular and would make a bad candidate.
• 47:04
  Speaker 19: They have other candidates, a couple of the state governors,
• 47:07
  Speaker 19: the governor of Maryland wears More, the governor of Michigan
• 47:13
  Speaker 19: Gretchen Widmark. These would be very credible candidates and they
• 47:18
  Speaker 19: might even be able to win the election against Donald Trump.
• 47:22
  Speaker 19: But with Joe Biden, the polls or show a collapse
• 47:27
  Speaker 19: in his support now. I mean, Trump is something like
• 47:31
  Speaker 19: six percent ahead in the Lattice New York Times poll,
• 47:36
  Speaker 19: so I think he himself is pretty much finished.
• 47:40
  Speaker 11: It's a huge crisis for.
• 47:42
  Speaker 19: The Democratic Party because unless they find another good and
• 47:46
  Speaker 19: credible candidate, and that candidate has to be a middle
• 47:50
  Speaker 19: of the road person, not a very left wing person,
• 47:54
  Speaker 19: and the party apparatchiks are pretty left wing, so that
• 47:58
  Speaker 19: in itself will be a challenge. But if they stick
• 48:01
  Speaker 19: with Joe Biden, they're going to lose.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hell of a mess, but they've only
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: got themselves to blame. The Democrats should have been looking
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: at all this years ago. If not months ago. Thanks
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: for joining us, Alexander Downer. I appreciate it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 11: It's a great pleasure. Chris.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: What a train wreck.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Hey, a little bit of time just to squeeze in
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: some of your feedback from last night's showing that interview
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: on energy with Dick Smith. Owen says I wish Dick
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Smith was our prime minister. The country would be better off.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Spot On, and said Labour's plan is absolutely crazy. Nuclear
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: power is the right way forward for Australia.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: And what about this from Francis.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: He says that renewables may work in areas where there
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: is plenty of wind. So far the only area is
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: our parliament spot on, no shortage of wind there.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to disappear for a week, a week off
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: with my family, so Caroline, Marcus and Steve Price, I'll
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: look after you next week.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I'll see you in a week's time.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: In the meantime, here's Peter Kreedlin Cheese.