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Kidnapped 13-year-old girl found dead in North Carolina pond · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: sort of heart richend. We're absolutely devastated. I wish we
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Speaker 1: had a different outcome. Behanya's family or a community that
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Speaker 1: she lived in in father hundreds of law enforcement officers
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Speaker 1: and searchers who put everything everything they had in defining
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Speaker 1: her and bringing her back alive. We believe we had
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Speaker 1: found a body of thirteen year old Hanya. The body
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Speaker 1: was found in a body of water off the Wildgrass
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Speaker 1: Road in Robinson County. The state Medical Examiner say preliminary
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Speaker 1: tests in any case the body that they found is Hanya's,
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Speaker 1: but founding confirmation will be done using a dim reckless comparison.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing from Lumberton, North Carolina Police Chief Michael McNeil.
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Speaker 1: The search for the little girl, Hanya Aglar has come
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Speaker 1: to an end, and not the way we wanted. Hanya's
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Speaker 1: body has just been positively identified. I'm Nancy Grace this
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Speaker 1: describing stories. Thank you for being with us. Outrage, Outrage
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Speaker 1: at the thought a little girl walks out of her
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Speaker 1: home trying to get into the family car seven o'clock
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Speaker 1: in the morning to go to school on a school day,
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Speaker 1: and subperv in that short space of time, grabs her
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Speaker 1: or forces her into the suv takes off with her.
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Speaker 1: That car found discarded nearby, about ten miles away, and
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Speaker 1: now Hanya's body has been recovered. Straight out to crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Robin will Lensky. Robin start
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Speaker 1: at the beginning, Wow, what a horrendous story this This
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Speaker 1: girl thirteen years old, very pretty, just a normal day
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Speaker 1: going to school. She leaves the home where she lives,
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Speaker 1: so it's not some isolated area. There are many other
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Speaker 1: people that live there. And she walks outside just before
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Speaker 1: she's a basketball for school at seven o'clock. And there
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Speaker 1: are witnesses that say that they hear her screaming, screaming, screaming, screaming,
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Speaker 1: and they have told a police detective that some guy
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Speaker 1: dressed in all black and then he had this. Who
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Speaker 1: would do this? He has a yellow bandana, Nancy, I
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Speaker 1: mean talk about having you know, a headlight Christmas lights
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Speaker 1: on your head. He has a yellow bandana across his
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Speaker 1: face and then he shoves her into this sub well.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you this much from what I know
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Speaker 1: of this sort of crime. Joseph Scott Morgan with me,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. J Scott. If he is not apprehended,
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Speaker 1: he will strike again. It's a freaky thing. I cannot
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Speaker 1: explain it. But sex offenders, burglars, and peeping tom's they
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Speaker 1: can't stop. That's my anecdotical experience. They can't stop. He
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Speaker 1: has I guarantee you he has done something similar before
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Speaker 1: and he will do it again. And what I don't
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Speaker 1: get as why this guy with this description and an
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Speaker 1: SUV that was discarded, what we can't get fingerprints for
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Speaker 1: peat take what is because she's Hispanic? What is her
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Speaker 1: case treated differently from everybody else's. I don't understand why
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Speaker 1: this guy has not been apprehended. And how long was
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Speaker 1: she kept alive and tortured before she was murdered? Think
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Speaker 1: about that for a moment, Joe Scott Morgan. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: have been given a lot of thought, Nancy. The one
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Speaker 1: word that comes to mind with me is bold in
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Speaker 1: this case. When we first started covering this case a
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Speaker 1: few weeks ago. I was struck by the boldness that
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Speaker 1: this guy had to just appear at this time of
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Speaker 1: the day and snatch this little girl away from her family,
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Speaker 1: very very public location. You hear her screaming and all
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Speaker 1: these sorts of things. The key here, as you have
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Speaker 1: pointed out now, since she has been found all these
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Speaker 1: weeks down range from this initial event, the key here
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Speaker 1: is trying to determine the postmortum interval. How long after
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Speaker 1: she left her family was she kept alive, and then secondly,
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Speaker 1: at what point in time did she pass on? So
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Speaker 1: the scene investigation itself is going to be very very
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Speaker 1: key here. I could agree with you more. Joseph Scott
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Speaker 1: Morgan also with me right now. Doctor Michelle Dupree, medical
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Speaker 1: examiner and author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. Doctor Dupree,
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Speaker 1: she's been underwater. What can we learn? How long has
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Speaker 1: she been under there? Can we still get a cause
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Speaker 1: of death? What effect will water have on the body?
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Speaker 1: Help me, Nancy, all very good questions, and the answer
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Speaker 1: to honor them is yes, we can still the cause
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Speaker 1: of death, we can still give an estimate of the
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Speaker 1: time of death, and how long she's been underwater. To
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Speaker 1: be able to tell what instrument or instruments were refused
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Speaker 1: to cause death. The fact that she was in water
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Speaker 1: sometimes preserves the body. Sometimes it does make it a
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Speaker 1: little more difficult, but regardless, we're still able to figure
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Speaker 1: those things out. Joining me. Also in addition to doctor
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Speaker 1: Michelle do Pree and Joseph Scott Morgan, along with Robin
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Speaker 1: Woolensky Karen start with me, New York psychologists Karen just
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Speaker 1: looking at Mo and human behavior Jackie Howard, hearing the studio,
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Speaker 1: keeps saying, holding up a little sign opportunity, a crime
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Speaker 1: of opportunity or crime of motive, like planning it ahead
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Speaker 1: of time. It's what I think, is that what you're
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Speaker 1: trying to ask, yes, okay to me, that he's all
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Speaker 1: tricked out in a black outfit. That's just so predictable.
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Speaker 1: That tells me he was all dressed and ready to
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Speaker 1: sneak around the neighborhood and wrapped this girl. I mean,
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Speaker 1: come on, you think you're just standing in her front
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Speaker 1: yard at seven am for no reason. I think if
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Speaker 1: you take a look, Nancy, statistically, this guy was already
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Speaker 1: he was following her, He knew who she was, and
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Speaker 1: he knew her routine, that would be my guest. And
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Speaker 1: he knew that there were times that she would go
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Speaker 1: out and start that carp so that someone could drive
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Speaker 1: her to school. So I believe, if you think about
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Speaker 1: the outfit, that he was dressed and ready to go,
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Speaker 1: and I reacted so quickly to be able to do this.
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Speaker 1: He knew her. That often happens with predators. They followed
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Speaker 1: their victim, they know when to attack. And I have
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Speaker 1: no idea what that yellow bandanna was, but this guy
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Speaker 1: was ready to do it well, probably in his mind
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Speaker 1: jointing me. Also Stephen Lampley detective. You can find him
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Speaker 1: at Stephen David Lampley dot com. Stephen way In on
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Speaker 1: the garb the black ninja outfit with a yellow bandana
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Speaker 1: covering his face. I'm so underwhelmed. Well, Nancy, obviously he
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to know anybody to know who she is.
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Speaker 1: And there's some videos I understand, and I saw somebody.
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Speaker 1: I think this video was shot on Lambeth Street, which
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Speaker 1: is about a right about a half a mile away
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Speaker 1: from her trailer from her mobile home, and it shows
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Speaker 1: him walking down the street and he's walking with what
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Speaker 1: appears to be purpose. You know, he looked like he
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Speaker 1: knows where he's going, and he's going somewhere. So I
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Speaker 1: don't I don't think this was an opportunity, you know,
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Speaker 1: last moment. I think he had this planned, as she said,
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Speaker 1: and he took advantage of it and snatched her. And
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Speaker 1: the yellow bandanna was across his face. As I'm told
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Speaker 1: to keep his identity, I guessed even more so subdued
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Speaker 1: well put. Robin Lensky Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: The police and FBI released video about a few days
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Speaker 1: after she went missing. Hanya Aglare for those of you
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Speaker 1: just joining us, her little body has been found in
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Speaker 1: a body of water. Robin. The police released a video
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Speaker 1: of a guy walking along in the wee early morning
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Speaker 1: hours in the area. This purpose on foot. He left
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Speaker 1: in the family car. That person was on foot. But
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Speaker 1: I don't recall that person having on all black with
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Speaker 1: a yellow bandana or are they connected. It could be
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Speaker 1: the same person Nancy, and he could have had a
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Speaker 1: wardrobe change. He may have He could have been like
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Speaker 1: share and had multiple outfits laying in the car like this.
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Speaker 1: It's possible. Okay, just hold on, let me my question
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Speaker 1: to you. As did the guy in the video that
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Speaker 1: was just walking down the street nearby early that morning.
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Speaker 1: Did he have on black clothes and a yellow bandanna? Yes, No, Robin,
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Speaker 1: there was no yellow bandanna at that time, but may
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Speaker 1: have had may have been dark clothing in the video,
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Speaker 1: it looks like he's got in a light colored T shirt,
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Speaker 1: dark pants, a different color like a lighter much lighter
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Speaker 1: red or blue hoodie with white tennis shoes. Joining me
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Speaker 1: is North Carolina family lawyer Kathleen Murphy. You've seen it all,
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Speaker 1: every scenario there is. I'm not buying a wardrobe change.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the guy walking in the neighborhood near
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Speaker 1: the time of the incident is the kidnapper. Just doesn't
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Speaker 1: make sense to me based on the clothing. Nancy. I
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Speaker 1: think that this neighborhood itself, if you've seen pictures of
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood, I know people who are from this area.
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Speaker 1: It's a pretty dangerous area. And so I just think
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Speaker 1: it was a crime of opportunity, and I think that
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Speaker 1: the person that did this is from that area. And
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Speaker 1: you are absolutely right. Why are the fingerprints not being
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Speaker 1: traced to somebody that is actually so you're saying crime
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Speaker 1: of opportunity but what I'm specifically asking you is, is
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Speaker 1: the guy in the video to he's not wearing all
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Speaker 1: blight with a yellowhead man that's not him? Well, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think it could be him, as if it could
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Speaker 1: not be him, if he could have had the bandana
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Speaker 1: under his shirt, and I mean, I just don't know,
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Speaker 1: but I do think that it's very unusual to have
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Speaker 1: two people, two different people, single males, walking around that
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Speaker 1: early in the morning. Yeah, you know what, You're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: Please continue to pray for Hanya's family and each other
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Speaker 1: as the investigation continues. I just want to add something
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Speaker 1: at this time. I want to ask the community and
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Speaker 1: those that are on social media please quit spreading the
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Speaker 1: rumors that they're spreading on the media. We're not going
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Speaker 1: to discuss any of the circumstances surrounding the body or
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Speaker 1: the condition of the body, and we want the media
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Speaker 1: and everybody in the community to be respectful of that
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Speaker 1: and do not ask us about the conditions of the body.
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Speaker 1: The medical example will conducting autopsy to determine the cause
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Speaker 1: of death. This is the outcome that we all feared
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Speaker 1: that was going to happen. We didn't not want to
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Speaker 1: here it is. We wanted to bring Honya back home
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Speaker 1: and bring her back home alive to our community. It hurts.
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Speaker 1: Our work is not over. We will not stop. We
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Speaker 1: will not stop until we find a person, our persons
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Speaker 1: responsible and we bring them to justice. We will not
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Speaker 1: stop until we do that. You we're hearing from lumbers
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Speaker 1: in North Carolina Police Chief Michael McNeil, the FBI finds
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Speaker 1: a body in a search for a missing little girl,
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Speaker 1: Hanya Aguilar. She was snatched just outside her North Carolina
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Speaker 1: home about three weeks ago. It was around seven a m.
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Speaker 1: In the morning, when most people haven't even had their
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Speaker 1: first cup of coffee. Who is thinking about kidnapping, torturing,
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Speaker 1: and murdering a little girl at seven am in the morning. Well,
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Speaker 1: in the last hours, a body has been found and identified.
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Speaker 1: The body is little Hanya Aglare Doctor Michelle Dupre medical
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Speaker 1: examine or author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. From what
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Speaker 1: we are learning from that press or you're just hearing,
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Speaker 1: Honya's body was submerged in water not far away from
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Speaker 1: where she was taken. What effect is that water going
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Speaker 1: to have on determining cause of death, whether she had
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Speaker 1: been molested, how long she had been kept how long
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Speaker 1: she had been submerged, how long she was dead? Was
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Speaker 1: she kept alive for three weeks and just murdered? Is
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Speaker 1: this the first time they've looked in this body of water.
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Speaker 1: I find that hard to believe. But what effect will
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Speaker 1: the water have on Honya's body? Yansyah? Again, all very
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Speaker 1: good questions. Sometimes, depending on the temperature of the water,
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Speaker 1: the water can actually help to preserve the body. However,
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Speaker 1: once that by he is removed from the water, decomposition
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Speaker 1: does begin more rapidly. One of the things that the
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Speaker 1: water will do, is it very well my washaway or
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Speaker 1: degrade any kind of trace evidence, But not necessarily. It's
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Speaker 1: actually going to depend on sort of that totality of
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Speaker 1: circumstances again and looking at not just the body, but
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Speaker 1: actually the crime scene and of the surrounding things. The
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Speaker 1: body found has been positively identified as the kidnapped little
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Speaker 1: girl Hanya aglare a lot of speculation regarding video taken
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Speaker 1: in the wee morning hours in the same area just
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Speaker 1: before she's taken of a mail walking along in that neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: Robin will Nsky with me Crime online dot Com investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter where you can find this and all other breaking
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Speaker 1: crime in Justice News. What about that video, Robin? Is
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Speaker 1: that the best lead. There are eight hundred tips that
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Speaker 1: have come into the hotline number Nancy, and the FBI
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Speaker 1: now involved in this case. You know, people have those
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Speaker 1: ring doorbell cameras. You don't have to live in an
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Speaker 1: expensive house to get a ring doorbell camera for one
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Speaker 1: hundred bucks at Target or Walmart, and there are The
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Speaker 1: FBI believes that there are other videos out there, and
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Speaker 1: they are pleading with the public that if you have
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Speaker 1: a business or a home and you have an outside
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Speaker 1: camera to please turn it over to the authorities because
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Speaker 1: this is a very wide crime scene. There's a location
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Speaker 1: where she was snatched, and then where the body was
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Speaker 1: found is approximately ten miles away, and the actual site
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Speaker 1: where the body was in the water cannot be seen
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Speaker 1: from the street. So to me, it feels like this man,
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Speaker 1: if this is the guy who's involved, that this is
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Speaker 1: someone who clearly was looking at that house surveiling the house,
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Speaker 1: had seen this girl before. She's very attractive, and also
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Speaker 1: knew where this wooded area was with the water ten
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Speaker 1: miles away from the home. This is somebody who knows
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Speaker 1: the area Hanya and Noella agalare positively identified in the
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Speaker 1: body of water. Robi Wolinsky is describing. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: as FBI Supervised Supervising Agent Andy Dela Rocha breaks down.
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Speaker 1: We're all heartbroken. We believe we found Hanja, but our
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Speaker 1: work is far from over. We have to find out
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Speaker 1: how she died, who did this to her, and we
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Speaker 1: had to bring the person or persons responsible to justice.
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Speaker 1: Please call us if you have information to help. Don't
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Speaker 1: post rumors in social media. Don't share your speculation about
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Speaker 1: this case. At five November, I stood right here before
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Speaker 1: you and stated, I couldn't imagine how I would feel
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Speaker 1: if this is one of my daughters. Last night I
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Speaker 1: had to stand in front of Hanya's mother and explained
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Speaker 1: to her what we had found. And you can all
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Speaker 1: imagine what that has done to her. Can you further
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Speaker 1: imagine what is happening to her today as she hears
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Speaker 1: things that are not based in fact, that are purely speculative,
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Speaker 1: in our rumors and falsehoods. After that, Agent Andy Dello
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Speaker 1: Rocha very very distraught, but then composing himself, he goes
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Speaker 1: on every logical league that comes into the tip line,
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Speaker 1: every phone call. Every person we talked to, we follow
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Speaker 1: up thoroughly by putting things out there that are blatantly
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Speaker 1: falls and that are not released by the Lumberton Police Department,
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Speaker 1: the FBI, the SBI, the Robinson Coney Sheriff's Office, the
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Speaker 1: North Carolina Highway Patrol are false, They're misleading, They're simply inaccurate.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how badly, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer,
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Speaker 1: the rumors in innuendo hurt a case. I mean, for instance,
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Speaker 1: there was an allegation, a tip, a rumor that she
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Speaker 1: had been sighted in Charlotte alive, and well, well that
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Speaker 1: did hurt the investigation because people kind of quit looking
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Speaker 1: for her. So how badly do you believe rumors, innuendo
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Speaker 1: they have? The FBI agent Andy Dela Rocha is describing
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Speaker 1: her an investigation first and foremost, Nancy, I have to
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Speaker 1: say that my heart goes out to this mother. And
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Speaker 1: when the mother is learning that there are tips that
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Speaker 1: are not credible and the law enforcement agency is using
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Speaker 1: their time to investigate these tips while she still believed
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Speaker 1: her daughter was a lie. How painful was that and
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Speaker 1: how painful is it to that investigator from Lumberton who
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Speaker 1: clearly has a heart in this investigation. It stopped resources
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Speaker 1: the FBI and local law enforcement begging for your tips.
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Speaker 1: There's a thirty thousand dollars reward that tipline nine zero
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Speaker 1: two seven two five eight seven one. Here is the
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Speaker 1: FBI Supervising Agent Andy Dela Rocha as he vegs encourages
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Speaker 1: please with people to stop spreading rumors online and hurting
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Speaker 1: the investigation, but to call in with credible information. Listen,
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Speaker 1: this yere isn't about us today. This is about an
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Speaker 1: innocent girl. It's about Hanyan her life. We want to
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Speaker 1: do everything possible to hold the person or person's accountable
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Speaker 1: who committed this horrific offense. I implore you to call
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Speaker 1: the tip line again nine zero two seven two five
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Speaker 1: eight seven one. If you want to help us, call
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Speaker 1: us directly, and please do not make things up on
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Speaker 1: They were actually searching asking for surveillance video in this
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Speaker 1: area of any type of surveillance video that you may
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Speaker 1: have on your home. They were trying to go through
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Speaker 1: all of that in this area. So this has been
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Speaker 1: an area that they have been searching and looking for
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Speaker 1: tips for some reason. This is definitely an area of
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Speaker 1: concern for them, and they have been actively working to
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Speaker 1: look into that because this has obviously been a three
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Speaker 1: week search for this young girl, and it's been very
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Speaker 1: taxing on not only those students, but all of the
22:43
Speaker 1: community as they've continued to call in tips and try
22:45
Speaker 1: to get to know more about what exactly happened. A
22:48
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, they did find the vehicle she
22:51
Speaker 1: was According to police, she was pushed into the vehicle
22:54
Speaker 1: that was owned by one of her family members and
22:57
Speaker 1: that is when she was taken and they eventually the vehicle,
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Speaker 1: but they did not find Hanya, which has been devastating
23:03
Speaker 1: for this community as they have tried to figure out
23:06
Speaker 1: why and what's going on and who would do such
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Speaker 1: a thing and that person was in all dark clothing
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Speaker 1: and a yellow bandana when this happened. You were here
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Speaker 1: from WTVD Raleigh, North Carolina. ABC eleven anchor Amber Rupenta
23:20
Speaker 1: on the scene. The police want to clarify that there
23:26
Speaker 1: is no person of interest. There has been no arrest.
23:31
Speaker 1: They need your help. Tiply nine one zero two seven
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Speaker 1: two fifty eight seventy one. The body found in a
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Speaker 1: body of water, which I'd like to point out was
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Speaker 1: on private property guarantee. The owner of that property is
23:46
Speaker 1: going to be questioned. Has been positively identified as Hanya
23:52
Speaker 1: Aglare To Robin Olinski, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about the family of on
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Speaker 1: you right now? Well, her mom wrote this heartbreaking letter Nancy,
24:05
Speaker 1: saying how much she misses her beautiful daughter. She refers
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Speaker 1: to her as her princess, and when she is taken
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Speaker 1: down to the local police station, an ambulance has to
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Speaker 1: be called because she is so distraught about the news
24:20
Speaker 1: that she is hearing. Clearly the mother loved her daughter
24:25
Speaker 1: and is just absolutely heartbroken. And the letter just gives
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Speaker 1: you the chills, the heartbreak that this woman is going
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Speaker 1: to have to live with for the rest of her life.
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Speaker 1: You know, Karen start joining Main York psychologist. When you
24:39
Speaker 1: think about it, that's really all you have is your family,
24:44
Speaker 1: and nothing matters except them. That's all that matters. And
24:53
Speaker 1: this person took her precious pearl. That's all she had
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Speaker 1: was Hania and now she is gone. You know, Karen,
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Speaker 1: how many times do I let the twins run out
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Speaker 1: to the car and then I locked the door and
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Speaker 1: chase after them. They're out there two or three minutes
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Speaker 1: in the mornings. I mean, who would think that someone
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Speaker 1: is waiting and watching for you to for children to
25:20
Speaker 1: come out on their own. Karen, you have a question
25:24
Speaker 1: for doctor Michelle Dupree, our medical examiner and author of
25:27
Speaker 1: homicide investigation Field. I go ahead, Karen. First of all,
25:32
Speaker 1: I want to address what you just said, Nancy, because
25:35
Speaker 1: this mother, as you well know, will never recover from
25:39
Speaker 1: what happened. This is something that you don't You can
25:42
Speaker 1: go on with your life, but she will never be
25:45
Speaker 1: the same losing her daughter. And the question that I
25:49
Speaker 1: had was if they are using dental records to identify her,
25:55
Speaker 1: how will they be able to find out how long
25:59
Speaker 1: she was with this guy when she was killed? What
26:02
Speaker 1: happened to her and confused? Okay, that's a very good question.
26:07
Speaker 1: And actually the dental records would be used to identify
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Speaker 1: her as actually being being Hanya, they will not help
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Speaker 1: in determining how long she has been with this person
26:18
Speaker 1: or in her cause of death. It's simply the positive
26:21
Speaker 1: method for identification. Explain how that works, doctor Michelle Duprix. Basically,
26:26
Speaker 1: we would take the person's dental chart that we would
26:31
Speaker 1: get from her dentists and compare that to the teeth
26:35
Speaker 1: and the gental records of the person. They're charted on
26:39
Speaker 1: a record, and by comparison, it's almost as good as fingerprints.
26:44
Speaker 1: It is considered a positive means of identification. For instance,
26:48
Speaker 1: you can look at somebody's teeth, marking some on the
26:50
Speaker 1: teeth until if they ever were braces only, you would
26:54
Speaker 1: have certain feelings at certain points in your mouth, isn't
26:59
Speaker 1: it true, Doctor Michelle Dupree, that on with teeth alone.
27:04
Speaker 1: Teeth alone, you can tell by the jaw and the
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Speaker 1: teeth whether it's a man or a woman, a boy
27:12
Speaker 1: or a girl. And comparing it to diental records, nobody
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Speaker 1: else is going to have that configuration of teeth other
27:20
Speaker 1: than you. Diental records are used throughout the world in
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Speaker 1: war combat zones for identification. So this is a time
27:31
Speaker 1: honored and reliable way of identifying a body, Doctor Dupree. Absolutely, man,
27:35
Speaker 1: So you're exactly right, and not just that, but not
27:38
Speaker 1: just the feelings, but the spacing of the teeth, a
27:40
Speaker 1: structure of the teeth, a way that they're actually aligned.
27:43
Speaker 1: All of those things are very individual to a specific
27:47
Speaker 1: Parson Jackie Howard here in the studio wants me to
27:50
Speaker 1: ask you, doctor dupree, to teeth disintegrate over a period
27:53
Speaker 1: of time. They do somewhat, but it takes an enormous
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Speaker 1: amount of time, and we can still get DNA many
28:00
Speaker 1: an many years after the facts from tea you mean,
28:03
Speaker 1: out of the root of the tooth. Yes, from like
28:06
Speaker 1: what's in the inside of a tooth. Well, you have
28:07
Speaker 1: the animal. Of course, I'm an outside and you have
28:10
Speaker 1: Denton and didn't have the root of them. And again
28:13
Speaker 1: because of that an animal, and because of the structure
28:15
Speaker 1: of teeth that is well preserved even in fire and
28:18
Speaker 1: other other means, so we can still get So you're
28:23
Speaker 1: saying it takes teeth a really long time to disintegrate.
28:26
Speaker 1: How long? Oh years? I mean we can even get
28:29
Speaker 1: teeth oftentimes even after cremation. There may not be DNA
28:33
Speaker 1: in those after cromations. Well, I can tell you this,
28:35
Speaker 1: you know what I'm thinking back on, of course, all
28:37
Speaker 1: my comparisons Kathleen Murphy or anecdotal. I'm a doctor. I'm
28:41
Speaker 1: a jurist doctor, not a medical doctor. Kathleen Murphy with
28:45
Speaker 1: me North Carolina family lawyer. I know you remember the
28:48
Speaker 1: story the case of Teresa Halback. The victim may not
28:53
Speaker 1: ring a bellt but the defendant, Stephen Avery and Brendan Dassy,
28:58
Speaker 1: who have been the m the media darlings of Netflix,
29:06
Speaker 1: in making a murder. They did it by the way.
29:10
Speaker 1: Stephen Avery raped and murdered her and Brenda Dassy raped
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Speaker 1: and stood by and watched her being killed. But that aside.
29:18
Speaker 1: Do you remember, Kathleen Murphy that all that was left
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Speaker 1: of her body were little pieces of bone and her teeth,
29:27
Speaker 1: and the studs offered daisy huntess and blue jeans. And
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Speaker 1: Stephen Avery's fire pit in the backyard of his salvage company,
29:38
Speaker 1: the fire that he stirred all night long. According to
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Speaker 1: friends and relatives, her teeth were still in there. Kathleen,
29:46
Speaker 1: in a situation where there's fire, water, extreme weather, those
29:50
Speaker 1: teeth will last forever. And they're able to get that
29:54
Speaker 1: DNA out of that too. That's how they're identifying this
29:57
Speaker 1: body and Lauren from Robin Lensky that the mom Honnia's mom.
30:04
Speaker 1: Oh boy, do we need to pray for her. Poor
30:09
Speaker 1: lady was taken down to the police station and when
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Speaker 1: she learned about Honia's body being identified, was, according to
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Speaker 1: Robert Olenski, taken away in an ambulance. Everyone, the tipline
30:25
Speaker 1: is nine one zero two seven two five eight seven
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Speaker 1: to one. Listen to our friend at WTBD Raleigh, ABC eleven,
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Speaker 1: Amber Ropino. They've been trying to piece together with surveillance
30:38
Speaker 1: video what exactly happened in what happened after she was taken.
30:42
Speaker 1: I do want to try to push down a little
30:44
Speaker 1: bit further where her body was found. This is wire
30:47
Speaker 1: grass road. You can't see where exactly her body was found.
30:50
Speaker 1: Where about a mile to a mile and a half
30:52
Speaker 1: away from the exact scene. But you can see that
30:55
Speaker 1: there are houses along this road. This isn't exactly a
30:58
Speaker 1: completely deserted road. We've seen a lot of cars trying
31:01
Speaker 1: to get down this road as well, but police are
31:03
Speaker 1: blocking it off. This is near where she went to school,
31:06
Speaker 1: and this is also near where she was abductor. This
31:09
Speaker 1: is a kind of desolate area, but we have seen
31:11
Speaker 1: a lot of cars in the area, and there also
31:13
Speaker 1: several homes as well. What we know so far is
31:16
Speaker 1: that officers were searching for We're going off of tips
31:21
Speaker 1: that they had gotten in for the Hanya Aguilar case.
31:24
Speaker 1: When they were searching, when they were following these leads,
31:26
Speaker 1: that's when they came across a body. They have said
31:30
Speaker 1: that they did reach out to Hanya's family though, and
31:32
Speaker 1: they are aware that this body was found, and we
31:35
Speaker 1: spoke with that family last night. We've seen the surveillance
31:38
Speaker 1: videos come out of all of this too. The FBI
31:40
Speaker 1: has gotten several surroundings videos of a man in dark clothing.
31:44
Speaker 1: They do believe he was wearing a yellow bandana at
31:46
Speaker 1: the time of the kidnapping as well. You're hearing from
31:48
Speaker 1: our friend anchor and reporter Ambaru Pinta at WTVD Rolling,
31:53
Speaker 1: North Carolina, ABC eleven. Police begging for help tipline nine
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Speaker 1: one zero two seven to five eight seven one with me,
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Speaker 1: Robin Willinski, Crime online dot com, investigative reporter Stephen Lampley
32:07
Speaker 1: with me, former detective you can find him at Stephen
32:09
Speaker 1: David Lampley dot com. We are learning that on the
32:15
Speaker 1: nine on one call. Initial reports during the nine on
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Speaker 1: one call described the doctor as a black male wearing
32:24
Speaker 1: all black, including long sleeves, with a yellow bandana over
32:31
Speaker 1: his face. A black male wearing black, long sleeves, all black,
32:37
Speaker 1: yellow bandana over his face. That call was made at
32:41
Speaker 1: six fifty four am November five, and very unusual, very unusual.
32:51
Speaker 1: November eight, someone calls nine one one to tell the
32:55
Speaker 1: police they have spotted a vehicle backed into the wood.
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Speaker 1: The FBI Evidence Response Team was brought into process the
33:04
Speaker 1: vehicle for evidence to find Hanja. So the car is
33:08
Speaker 1: ditched pretty quickly. Stephen Lampley, what does that mean to you?
33:13
Speaker 1: I'd like to know how close that body of water
33:16
Speaker 1: is to where the car was found, because that would
33:19
Speaker 1: suggest to me that this little girl was assaulted and
33:23
Speaker 1: tortured and drowned immediately, as opposed to keeping her alive
33:27
Speaker 1: for days and days. What do you make of what
33:30
Speaker 1: I've just revealed, Stephen Lampley, Well, Nancy, I tend to
33:33
Speaker 1: agree with you if you look at the map and
33:35
Speaker 1: the locations, and I don't have the exact distances that
33:39
Speaker 1: we're talking about, maybe four miles from each the video
33:43
Speaker 1: excuse me. The map shows that she lived, which is
33:47
Speaker 1: just awful Elizabeth Town Road, which is how we pay
33:50
Speaker 1: forty one there her body was found approximately ten miles away.
33:57
Speaker 1: Now the vehicle was found about half that distance, roughly
34:01
Speaker 1: four or five miles away, and then that leads that
34:04
Speaker 1: leads mutually perhaps and again I could be wrong, but
34:07
Speaker 1: this is just based on what I'm looking at. That
34:10
Speaker 1: sort of sort of leads me to believe that perhaps
34:14
Speaker 1: she was abducted, driven to this wherever she was accosted
34:20
Speaker 1: or murdered perhaps, and then dumped at this pond, which
34:25
Speaker 1: was a small pond roughly ten miles away. And then
34:29
Speaker 1: the vehicle is found half that distance. It's to me
34:33
Speaker 1: as if maybe he abducted her, took her whatever. Maybe
34:37
Speaker 1: maybe he assaulted her at the pond, I don't know,
34:40
Speaker 1: dumped her there, and then drove at least part of
34:42
Speaker 1: the way back home. And that's that's my thought. Take
34:45
Speaker 1: a listen to what we were learning from the FBI
34:46
Speaker 1: supervising agent. As you recall, from approximately seven to ten
34:51
Speaker 1: days ago, we started specifically targeting the area along Wide
34:55
Speaker 1: Grass Road because of a number of tips that have
34:58
Speaker 1: come into the police apartment through the tip line, and
35:01
Speaker 1: this is what led us to ask people along wire
35:04
Speaker 1: Grass Road to check CCTV footage, and this is an
35:07
Speaker 1: area that we had planned to do a more a
35:10
Speaker 1: thorough and deliberate search. It's a wide open area, there's
35:14
Speaker 1: a lot of wetland through there. It's a lot of
35:15
Speaker 1: wooded area. There's also private land which we needed to
35:18
Speaker 1: coordinate with homeowners and property owners to make access too.
35:22
Speaker 1: So it was a deliberate plan to get out there.
35:25
Speaker 1: After finding Hayna, we processed the scene, We secured the scene.
35:29
Speaker 1: Investigators and crime scene officials went back to Wiregrass Road
35:33
Speaker 1: at First Life where we recovered additional evidence and made
35:36
Speaker 1: sure everything that was relevant was collected. We appreciate the
35:41
Speaker 1: neighbors cooperation and ask they call us a based on
35:44
Speaker 1: anything suspicious in the area along wire Grass Road since
35:48
Speaker 1: November the five days ago. We asked of all surveillance
35:51
Speaker 1: cameras Wiregrass Road and we are asking you again call
35:55
Speaker 1: us if you have video that could help us determine
35:57
Speaker 1: when and how Hanja came to be laid where our
36:00
Speaker 1: investigators found her late yesterday. Pray for Hanya, Pray for
36:04
Speaker 1: her family and each other. The area that we were
36:07
Speaker 1: last evening and today is not visible from the road.
36:11
Speaker 1: We do not have a person of interest at this time.
36:13
Speaker 1: I don't have a comment as to whether the suspect
36:15
Speaker 1: may be here or may have left the area and
36:17
Speaker 1: all a comment on that. What we're learning from the
36:19
Speaker 1: FBI supervising agent is that Hun's body was found in
36:23
Speaker 1: a quote secluded area that they do not currently have
36:29
Speaker 1: a suspect. He is also revealing that they did collect
36:34
Speaker 1: evidence from the scene. Listen to this. I can tell
36:39
Speaker 1: you that there is evidence that is both at the scene.
36:44
Speaker 1: There's evidence that we've received as far as tips from
36:47
Speaker 1: the public. There's evidence that we have published, as far
36:49
Speaker 1: as CCTV footage and otherwise. So to include what we
36:54
Speaker 1: have found last evening, all of it is going to
36:56
Speaker 1: help us piece together what happened to Hanya. To doctor
36:58
Speaker 1: Michelle d Pretty medical the amin or author of homicide
37:01
Speaker 1: investigation Field Guy, doctor Michelle Dupree, he is revealing they
37:06
Speaker 1: did get evidence from the car. Evidence he didn't say
37:11
Speaker 1: what was collected at the scene also where the body
37:16
Speaker 1: was found. But they're not saying what do you believe
37:19
Speaker 1: it could be? Doctor Dupree, Nancy. That could be a
37:22
Speaker 1: number of things. Certainly any type of DNA, there can
37:24
Speaker 1: be trace evidence, there can be fingerprints that could be.
37:27
Speaker 1: Here's fibers that can be other indications that she was
37:30
Speaker 1: in fact in the car. Anything like that would point
37:33
Speaker 1: to evidence that they would be concerned with collecting. Take
37:36
Speaker 1: a listen to what the FBI says about where her
37:39
Speaker 1: body was found. We don't have any information to release
37:42
Speaker 1: at this time. Asked whether she was killed there or elsewhere.
37:46
Speaker 1: It was not something that was obvious. It was not
37:49
Speaker 1: something obvious and again where she was not visible from
37:52
Speaker 1: the role. And so I'm not going to use a
37:54
Speaker 1: term pond. It's a body of water. I don't think
37:57
Speaker 1: it's only rain water. I would be misleading if I
38:00
Speaker 1: said it was just rain water. It was a body
38:02
Speaker 1: of water. But it's not formally a plot. You know,
38:04
Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer, This is private property.
38:09
Speaker 1: So we know that whoever owned the property is going
38:11
Speaker 1: to be questioned. But apparently anybody could get on it.
38:16
Speaker 1: It was a secluded area. The owner likely didn't even
38:19
Speaker 1: know somebody was there, and it was fairly although it
38:24
Speaker 1: was fairly accessible, it was off the beaten path in
38:29
Speaker 1: that it wasn't in the middle of the city. It
38:31
Speaker 1: wasn't in the middle of any businesses. It was just
38:36
Speaker 1: basically a plot of woods. Unfortunately for Honya and the
38:41
Speaker 1: Lumberton Junior High right now, students are filing in. They're
38:49
Speaker 1: going from class to class for the first time since
38:52
Speaker 1: finding out that Honya's body has been identified. That is
39:00
Speaker 1: their little friend. The worst has come true. The search
39:03
Speaker 1: for Honya Agilar, this beautiful little girl with the long
39:07
Speaker 1: black hair, has been positively identified. The case is no
39:13
Speaker 1: longer searching recovery. It is now a homicide investigation. To
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Speaker 1: applying nine one zero two seven two five eight seven one,
39:24
Speaker 1: there is a thirty thousand dollar reward. Nancy Grace Crime
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Speaker 1: Story signing off Goodbye Friend,