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THREE TRUE CASES OF DEMONIC POSSESSION · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. You can
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  Speaker 1: probably tell tonight's episode is going to be a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different. I'm not going to be talking about UFOs
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  Speaker 1: or ets, but instead I'm going to be talking about ghosts.
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  Speaker 1: The evidence for ghosts is outstanding. These cases of ghosts
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  Speaker 1: come from all over the world. They've been occurring for centuries.
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  Speaker 1: There is no doubt that ghosts exist. There are many
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  Speaker 1: different types of ghosts. There are such things as active hauntings,
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  Speaker 1: involving usually earth bound spirits who for some reason or
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  Speaker 1: another are still here visiting the third dimension. Could be
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  Speaker 1: because they don't know they're dead, or they've got some
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  Speaker 1: reason holding them back. That's an active haunting of human ghats,
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  Speaker 1: they're animal ghosts as well. There's another type of haunting
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  Speaker 1: that is probably best known as a residual haunting, and
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  Speaker 1: this is not involving so much active ghosts, but more
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  Speaker 1: like echoes or psychic impressions. There are also spirit visitations,
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  Speaker 1: which are technically ghosts, but these are people who are
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  Speaker 1: not earth bound. So you might be visited by a
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  Speaker 1: dear loved one who just comes to say hi. And
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  Speaker 1: then there's another category of ghosts, which is poltergeists or
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  Speaker 1: demonic hauntings. There's a lot of controversy about what exactly
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  Speaker 1: causes these types of hauntings. Some say that they are
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  Speaker 1: in human spirits. Others say that they are human spirits
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  Speaker 1: that have just followed a very dark demonic path, and
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  Speaker 1: some believe that in fact, what they really are is
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  Speaker 1: the person itself causing the haunting, and then it's sort
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  Speaker 1: of a form of uncontrolled mediumshit. So today's episode is
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  Speaker 1: called Three True Cases of Demonic Possession. I've investigated dozens
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  Speaker 1: of ghost cases and hauntings of all kinds. I have
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  Speaker 1: to tell you these three cases are the most terrifying, harrowing,
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  Speaker 1: scary cases I've ever personally investigated. All of these are
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  Speaker 1: multiple witness cases, They're very well verified. In fact, I
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  Speaker 1: know the witnesses for two of these cases quite well
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  Speaker 1: and have visited the actual locations. So these cases I
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  Speaker 1: think will really provide a window into understanding what is
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  Speaker 1: going on with these type of hauntings. One more thing
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to say is that these hauntings seem to
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  Speaker 1: follow a certain pattern of manifestation. What will start out
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  Speaker 1: is infestation, little events such as footsteps or doors opening
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  Speaker 1: and closing, or objects moving, and then it ramps up
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  Speaker 1: to another stage, which we call oppression, and this is
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  Speaker 1: when it usually picks on one witness and really sort
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  Speaker 1: of attacks them, and it moves us to the final
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  Speaker 1: stage of possession, in which it really launches out a
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  Speaker 1: full out attack on the witness. So these three cases
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  Speaker 1: involve the end stage. These are all very active, extensive
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  Speaker 1: cases of hauntings. So let's just get started. In the
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  Speaker 1: first case i'd like to talk about I call when
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  Speaker 1: Poltergeist's a Knock. So this case involves a whole family actually,
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  Speaker 1: but mainly a brother and sister who were the targets
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  Speaker 1: of this poltergeist or this demonic spirit. In particular, it
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  Speaker 1: was the son Mitchell I call him, that is a pseudonym.
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  Speaker 1: This took place over a period of years in Lake Balboa, California.
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  Speaker 1: I know this family quite well. He really did not
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  Speaker 1: want to be interviewed, but I finally convinced them and
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  Speaker 1: they have quite a story to tell.
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  Speaker 2: As you'll see.
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  Speaker 1: The witnesses in this case I call them the Sorenson
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  Speaker 1: family of Lake Balboa, California. That is a pseudonym, they
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  Speaker 1: do not want their identities removed. On the outside, they
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  Speaker 1: appeared to be the traditional American family, the husband, wife,
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  Speaker 1: and three children. The husband worked full time, the wife
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  Speaker 1: stayed home and cared for the children, two boys and
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  Speaker 1: one girl. They lived in their house in the suburbs,
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  Speaker 1: and everything seemed perfect. However, on the inside it was
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  Speaker 1: not perfect. Turns out, the husband was abusive and suffered
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  Speaker 1: from alcoholism. Miss Sorenson finally made a decision to divorce
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  Speaker 1: him for the sake of her children, and at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, her oldest son got into drugs and following
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  Speaker 1: numerous attempts to rehabilitate him, she was forced to kick
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  Speaker 1: him out of the house. So this left just missus
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  Speaker 1: Sorenson and her two children, Mitchell and Nancy. So this
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  Speaker 1: is how the haunting began. One day in nineteen seventy seven,
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  Speaker 1: her youngest child, Mitchell, then thirteen years old, broke his leg.
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  Speaker 1: Was to mark the very beginning of a long and
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  Speaker 1: involved haunting that ended in the near possession of Mitchell,
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  Speaker 1: and it all began with strange knocking sounds. Mitchell was
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  Speaker 1: ordered by his doctress to spend the entire summer in
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  Speaker 1: bed because he was diagnosed with a condition that left
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  Speaker 1: his bones weak and delicate, and needless to say, this
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  Speaker 1: was very frustrating for Mitchell, and was during this time
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  Speaker 1: that the strange knocking noises began. As Mitchell says, the
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  Speaker 1: first incident that I remember was back when I was thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: when I was recovering from having a broken leg. I
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  Speaker 1: was lying in my bed in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: night and I kept hearing. At first, it wasn't really
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  Speaker 1: un knocking. It sounded like footsteps in the attic above
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  Speaker 1: the ceiling, and then all of a sudden, there was
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  Speaker 1: no noise. Then it sounded like there were the footsteps
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  Speaker 1: in the hallway. Then that noise went away, and then
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  Speaker 1: that was when I heard the knocking for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't really sound like someone knocking on the door. It
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  Speaker 1: sounded like someone was knocking on the ceiling. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how to describe the noise. It wasn't like pounding.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like someone was pounding on the door. It
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  Speaker 1: was more like someone was doing a normal knock, like
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  Speaker 1: someone knocking their knuckles on the table.
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  Speaker 2: And there were only.
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  Speaker 1: Three or four knocks and it went away. So Mitchell
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  Speaker 1: was not scared by the knocking sounds. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: just curious. He wondered what was causing it and why
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  Speaker 1: it was happening. But after several minutes it went away
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  Speaker 1: and he fell back asleep. In the days that followed,
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  Speaker 1: he continued to hear these knocking noises. It was almost
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  Speaker 1: as if some kind of door had been opened. As
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell says, what was strange about it was that most
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  Speaker 1: of the time the knocking occurred, it was during that summer,
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  Speaker 1: and definitely at night, usually from nine o'clock onwards. Was
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  Speaker 1: never in the early evening. So Mitchell thankfully recovered from
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  Speaker 1: his injuries and returned to normal life. However, every summer
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  Speaker 1: after that, the strange knocking noises returned to his bedroom.
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  Speaker 1: As he says, it happened almost every summer, and as
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  Speaker 1: far as I know, no one else heard it. When
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  Speaker 1: I was asleep, it never woke me up. But when
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  Speaker 1: I was awake, just lying there at night, I would
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  Speaker 1: hear a knocking, and sometimes I would hear the knocking
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  Speaker 1: above my bedroom. Sometimes I heard it out in the
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  Speaker 1: living room or in the hallway, And one summer in particular,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was loud, but it just
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  Speaker 1: seemed like it went on. It seemed like the knocking
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  Speaker 1: just kept going all night long. So as the knocking
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  Speaker 1: became louder and more frequent, Mitchell did start to get frightened.
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  Speaker 1: The knocking suddenly became more brazen, as if whoever or
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  Speaker 1: whatever was doing it was trying to cause Mitchell to
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  Speaker 1: become afraid, so he kept searching for an explanation. As
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  Speaker 1: he says, it's because there were times that I thought
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  Speaker 1: maybe my sister, or Randy, his mother's boyfriend, or somebody
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  Speaker 1: was in the hallway. I had opened the doorway and
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  Speaker 1: no one else would be up. There would be no
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  Speaker 1: one in the doorway, and the sound would be gone,
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  Speaker 1: and I was sitting there and I would feel like,
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  Speaker 1: what am I going crazy? It must be the wind, right,
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  Speaker 1: And I'd go back to bed and sit there and
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  Speaker 1: it would start up again, and I'd be thinking, well,
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  Speaker 1: how can the wind make knocking noises in the attic? Now,
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell didn't want anyone to think he was insane, so
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  Speaker 1: he told nobody about what he was experiencing. Unknown to him, however,
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  Speaker 1: his older sister Nancy, had also begun having strange experiences.
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  Speaker 1: One evening, Nancy was in her bedroom working on her
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  Speaker 1: college homework. Suddenly the strange knocking noise which had plagued
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell for years started with her. As she says, one
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  Speaker 1: of the first times I noticed it was really subtle
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  Speaker 1: would be this creaking on the roof. Now, in my room,
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  Speaker 1: there was no attic. It was just tongue in roof paneling,
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  Speaker 1: and the roof was right on top of it. So
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  Speaker 1: when there was something creaking on the roof, of course
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  Speaker 1: you always thought, Okay, there's a cat on the roof,
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  Speaker 1: the squirrels are playing, the wind's blowing. It didn't really
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  Speaker 1: mean much because in that room there was no insulation,
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  Speaker 1: there was no attic, so at first I didn't pay
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  Speaker 1: any attention. I'd hear creaking on the roof, and then
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  Speaker 1: after a while it will get heavier. A period of
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  Speaker 1: time goes by and the creaking becomes more and more
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  Speaker 1: obvious and more pronounced. As time went by, this creaking
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  Speaker 1: became very obvious, and it was less and less like
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  Speaker 1: creaking and more intentional, like creek creek, creek, bang bang
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  Speaker 1: bang bang. So Nancy became increasingly puzzled by this noise,
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  Speaker 1: but did her best to ignore it. She had begun
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  Speaker 1: to realize that it was probably something strange and unexplained,
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  Speaker 1: and she didn't want to give it any attention, so
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  Speaker 1: to keep herself from getting afraid, you simply ignored it.
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  Speaker 1: And yet the knocking continued to get worse, and she
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  Speaker 1: says it was almost always late at night, when there
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  Speaker 1: was nobody awake in the house, and I'd be sitting
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  Speaker 1: in my room studying, and here would come this knocking
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  Speaker 1: on the roof. And for a long time, I just
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  Speaker 1: kept saying, okay, I just kept putting it off. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to accept the fact that there was something
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  Speaker 1: hanging around bugging me. And then it must have realized
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  Speaker 1: that I wasn't accepting it, so it started moving down
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  Speaker 1: into the walls so that there could be no question
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  Speaker 1: that there was something there. I couldn't pass it off as, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there's a squirrel running in my wall between my kitchen
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  Speaker 1: and the bedroom. So Nancy became convinced that their house
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  Speaker 1: was haunted. And yet, like her brother Mitchell, she told
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  Speaker 1: nobody she was sure that this ghost was trying to
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  Speaker 1: scare her, and she was determined not to give into
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  Speaker 1: its games. She would stay up late at night doing
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  Speaker 1: her homework and studying when this knocking would return, and
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  Speaker 1: the more she ignored it, the louder, bolder, and more
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  Speaker 1: frequent it became. It became a strange game of cat
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  Speaker 1: and mouse, with her trying to ignore the ghost and
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  Speaker 1: it doing its best to get her attention and frighten her.
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  Speaker 1: As Nancy says, sometimes it would knock right up the
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  Speaker 1: wall next to me. I decided that whatever it was
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  Speaker 1: was fine. It could be there and do whatever, as
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  Speaker 1: long as it didn't come in my room and actually
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  Speaker 1: bother me. I was being the typical human. I was
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  Speaker 1: afraid of what I didn't know and couldn't actually see,
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  Speaker 1: so I wasn't really that interested in finding out what
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  Speaker 1: it was. I used to hear it every night for
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  Speaker 1: a while, but it occurred to me that it was
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  Speaker 1: feeding off my fear, so I started ignoring it. Because
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  Speaker 1: as I became more scared, it became stronger and louder
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  Speaker 1: and more disturbing. So at some point it wasn't wise
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  Speaker 1: for me to be afraid, because the more afraid I became,
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  Speaker 1: the louder and more rambunctious it became. But at one
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  Speaker 1: point I actually told it that it should go and
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  Speaker 1: find what it was looking for somewhere else. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to feed its negativity. I didn't want to feed
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  Speaker 1: it with fear. But it never went away. It just
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  Speaker 1: kept hanging out and I'd ignore it, and it would
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  Speaker 1: hang out and I'd ignore it. So Nancy didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what else to do. She was hoping that, like a
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  Speaker 1: bully on the school playing round, by ignoring the ghost,
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  Speaker 1: it would eventually go away. And after she confronted it,
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  Speaker 1: the activity did seem to slow down slightly. The knocking
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  Speaker 1: would still occur periodically, but it was less and less. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: she decided to approach Mitchell and ask him do you
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  Speaker 1: ever hear noises on the roof? And he said, what
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  Speaker 1: like squirrels? She said, no, not squirrels. Well, it might
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  Speaker 1: be the spirit of a dead Indian or something. Mitchell replied, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Mitchell didn't know what to say, as
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  Speaker 1: he later said, she was scaring the hell out of me,
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  Speaker 1: to tell you the truth. So then one evening, Nancy
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  Speaker 1: he was up late at night studying in her bedroom
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  Speaker 1: when the now familiar sound of knocking began again in earnest.
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  Speaker 2: She was ignoring it.
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  Speaker 1: But Mitchell walked in and heard it too. And he
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  Speaker 1: looked at her and said, do you hear that? She
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  Speaker 1: said yes, Well what is it, Mitchell asked, and Nancy said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's been hanging out in here for
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  Speaker 1: almost a year now, and I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: So Mitchell told her, well, why don't you find out?
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  Speaker 1: Nancy just laughed and said, because I've never had enough
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  Speaker 1: gall I don't have the courage to find out what
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  Speaker 1: it is, to tell you the truth. But Mitchell, however,
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  Speaker 1: was becoming intrigued. He was surprised and kind of glad
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  Speaker 1: that his sister had also heard the knockings. At least
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't crazy. He didn't tell her that he had
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  Speaker 1: been hearing this sound for years because he thought it
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  Speaker 1: was only him, but now it was bothering his sister too,
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  Speaker 1: and he really wondered what did it want. So Mitchell's
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  Speaker 1: reaction was kind of the opposite of his sisters. He
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  Speaker 1: began to get the ghost more and more attention, and
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  Speaker 1: it was around this time that he noticed the knocking
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  Speaker 1: sounds coming more and more from locations around the house,
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  Speaker 1: and at times he felt like this ghost was purposefully
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  Speaker 1: trying to scare him or drive him crazy, as Mitchell says,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes I heard it in the bathroom, that is when
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  Speaker 1: it was weird. It was never someone knocking on the
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  Speaker 1: doors or walls. Was always the floor or the ceiling.
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  Speaker 1: And I never caught anyone when all this was happening.
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  Speaker 1: I never caught anyone awake or anything. I was the
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  Speaker 1: only one. That's why I thought I was maybe going
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  Speaker 1: a little bananas or imagining it. But it happened so
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  Speaker 1: much that I thought, well, there's got to be something
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  Speaker 1: to it. I never really pursued it as far as
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  Speaker 1: going into the attic or anything. Now, Mitchell's recent interest
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  Speaker 1: in the source of the activity did seem to ignite
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  Speaker 1: the power of this poultergeist or whatever it was, to
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  Speaker 1: a new level. As Nancy says, it used to happen
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  Speaker 1: only in my room until he he became curious about
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  Speaker 1: it and started saying, well, what is it?
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  Speaker 2: What could it be?
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  Speaker 1: So a couple of days later he was taking a
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  Speaker 1: shower and it started knocking on the shower wall. It
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  Speaker 1: scared him. So by now the activity was beginning to
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  Speaker 1: build up to a frenzy. However, it still stayed discreet,
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  Speaker 1: appearing only to Mitchell and Nancy and never to their
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  Speaker 1: mother or her boyfriend, both of whom knew nothing about
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  Speaker 1: the ghost. Around this time, Nancy had a vivid and
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  Speaker 1: powerful dream about the rape and murder of a fellow classmate,
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  Speaker 1: and two days later she found out that this dream
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  Speaker 1: actually came true. Meanwhile, the knocking was coming more and
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  Speaker 1: more often, and Mitchell became torn between terror and fascination,
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  Speaker 1: and he also began to sense a presence outside his
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  Speaker 1: bedroom door late at night. As he says, there have
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  Speaker 1: been times when I felt someone was in the hallway,
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  Speaker 1: but when I opened the doorway there never was, and
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  Speaker 1: that was always in the middle of the night, too.
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  Speaker 1: So the haunting was now reaching its peak, apparently because
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell had given the ghost attention, was now manifesting more strongly,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a few weeks following the shower incident
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  Speaker 1: when Mitchell was physically attacked by the ghost, which then
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  Speaker 1: actually tried to possess him. Mitchell reports that this incident
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  Speaker 1: remains the single most terrifying event of his entire life.
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  Speaker 1: It was late at night and everyone else was asleep
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  Speaker 1: in the house. Mitchell closed the door and crawled into bed.
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  Speaker 1: In the middle of the night, he was woken up
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  Speaker 1: by the familiar knocking noises. This time, however, there was
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  Speaker 1: something else. He heard footsteps, as Mitchell says, well, it
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  Speaker 1: was kind of weird. I heard footsteps up in the attic,
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  Speaker 1: like someone was walking around up in the attic. It
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  Speaker 1: sounded like footsteps walked from the living room to above
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  Speaker 1: my bedroom, and then they disappeared. There was no more walking,
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  Speaker 1: but someone was tapping every ten or twenty seconds. Then
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  Speaker 1: there be one or two knocks. This is the part
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  Speaker 1: that I really don't tell people about because it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of weird. People say, you might have a vivid imagination.
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  Speaker 1: It like progressed. Usually after that point it would die
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  Speaker 1: off for the night, but it didn't this time. That's
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  Speaker 1: when it was really weird, because all of the sudden,
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  Speaker 1: I heard the tapping go from my bedroom ceiling to
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  Speaker 1: the ceiling over the hallway, and then it stopped. And
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  Speaker 1: then I swear I heard someone walking in my hallway,
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  Speaker 1: and I got up as fast as I could, and
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  Speaker 1: I opened the door. There was no one there. I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to rationalize it, right, So I shut the door,
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  Speaker 1: and that's when I swear I heard someone knocking on
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  Speaker 1: the floor right in front of the door, like tapping
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  Speaker 1: on the carpet, and that's when I just said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to answer the door this time. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to stay in my bed. And that's when I felt
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  Speaker 1: like someone was in the room. And at that point
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  Speaker 1: I turned on the flat that I had a little
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  Speaker 1: mag light, and there was no one there, and I
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  Speaker 1: turned it off and laid back down, and I still
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  Speaker 1: felt like there was someone in the room. Then at
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  Speaker 1: that point it felt like someone literally stepped on my bed.
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  Speaker 1: I just closed my eyes and didn't move, and the
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  Speaker 1: pressure being felt on my bed was pretty real. Not
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  Speaker 1: at first, but after that I did feel like someone
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  Speaker 1: had not really stepped on my legs, that laid themselves
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  Speaker 1: down across my legs and never reached up to my
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  Speaker 1: face or anything, just on my legs. Now By now,
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell was absolutely terrified. He waited to see what would
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  Speaker 1: happen next, but it was clear to him this ghost
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  Speaker 1: was trying to move inside of him.
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  Speaker 2: As he says, I.
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  Speaker 1: Could move, it was easy to breathe and everything. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like they were pushing on my chest or arms.
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  Speaker 1: It just felt like someone was standing on my bed.
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  Speaker 1: And then it felt like someone laid down on my
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  Speaker 1: legs I mean, I don't know if it was a person.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: When I had the feeling of someone stepping on my bed,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I raised up my head only and I could literally
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: see the bed bending. Now when they laid down on
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: my legs, I didn't lift my head up, I didn't move.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I just closed my eyes and listened. But before I did,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I could plainly see that there was no one in
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: front of me, and the door was closed. The whole time,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: no one opened and closed the door, I would have
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: been able to hear it. So Mitchell lay there, and
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: although he wasn't particularly religious, he began to pray fervently,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and slowly the pressure lifted. As Mitchell says, at that point,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I heard one or two knocks again above my bedroom
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: in the attic. I still had this feeling of weight
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: on my legs, and then slowly the weight lifted off
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: my legs again and I could just feel it on
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the bed. And then that feeling went away completely. And
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that was it for the night. And that was really
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the strongest incident that I ever remember. Everything else was
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: like walking or knocking. So after the ghost finally left,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Mitchell lay in his bed literally shaking with fear because
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: he had no idea what had just happened to him.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: As he says, to tell you the truth, I was sweating.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I was slightly sweating, and I didn't know what to think,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and figured, well, I could say automatically, it's.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: A ghost, it's a poltergeist or whatever.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. But I could swear that there
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: was something in that room that night, and I would
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: swear that it was real. And I never told anybody
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: about it because nowadays you could get easily branded as
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: a crackpot, a crazy or whatever, so I basically kept
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: it to myself. I only told a few people. One
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: of the few people Mitchell told was his sister. Nancy
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: clearly remembers the day he came and told her that
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: she was right to ignore the ghost and that he
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: should have left it alone. Following this apparent near possession incident,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the activity came to a near complete halt. There were
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: still a few scattered knockings here and there, but nothing
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: near the intensity of the weeks before. I can't say
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: there was one other witness. My brother visited the house
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and he was there when there was these weird knocking
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: noises on the roof. I asked him about this, it's
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: funny because he's very skeptical of ghosts, but he said, yeah,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: there was something to it. And at one point Mitchell
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: did tell me that he thought he saw a black apparition,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: but when I did a formal interview with them, he
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: had no memory of this, so that's kind of odd
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: as well. But that is when the haunting stopped and
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: it never came back again. I think you'll agree that's
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: pretty darn scary. It's interesting that this haunting started out
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: so slowly and then ramped up over a period of
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: years and finally culminated in this absolute attack on the witness.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: What is going on here, It's very hard to say,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: because there is quite a bit of evidence. It's that
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Poultergeist's Poltergeist attacks might be the witness themselves. A disturbed
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: teenager is present in a number of these cases, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: that's absolutely true. In this case. The main witness, Mitchell,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: suffering from a bone disease, broke his leg, was bed ridden. Clearly,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that is a lot of emotional stress for a person
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to go through, So it's entirely possible that he is
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: responsible for this, and he has perhaps some mediumistic talent,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and this is uncontrolled physical mediumship. This is one of
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the theories, or this could just be an all out
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: dark demonic spirit of some kind. This family did go
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: through some abuse initially. The older son did suffer from
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: some drug addiction. This does turn up in some of
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: these cases. Another interesting aspect is that the sister had
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that really dark, awful dream of a murder. That is
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: very interesting to me because this does turn up in
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: a number of cases, so there's some real interesting patterns
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: going on here. What's also very interesting is that the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: haunting ended immediately after this possession attempt, so that I
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: think speaks volumes. Now let's move to the next case,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: which I call the Haunted Apartments. Again, these are witnesses
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I interviewed personally, and involves two young ladies, co workers
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and friends who decided to move into a pretty cheap
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: they thought apartment building seemed perfect. Turned out this apartment
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: was haunted and the haunting began almost immediately, and it
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: was just small events at first, as we'll see, but
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: soon ramped up from the first age infestation to oppression,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: really kind of driving the witnesses crazy, making them think
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: they were crazy, and finally launched out an all out
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: attack on one of the witnesses. These are not the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: only witnesses too. This was witnessed by many people that
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: they invited over and as we'll see, there's quite a
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: bit of evidence for this. I think you'll find an
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: absolutely interesting and harrowing series of events. In this case,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: two girlfriends in their early twenties decided to rent an
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: apartment together. Little did they know that they were about
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to experience the most frightening four months of their lives.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: The ordeal began when Trudy Shay not her real name,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: decided to move out of her parents' house and live
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: on her own. She searched for an apartment and found
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: one in a good neighborhood of Van Nuys, California, for
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: only six hundred dollars. This was a very low price
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and just within her price range. To her delight, it
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: was perfect. The building was newly painted in bright, cheery colors.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Was located at four seven six zero Kester Avenue in
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and Nys. The grounds were well maintained with flowers and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: nice green lawns. Was a cozy, two story building contained
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: only twenty five units. The apartments were spacious and Trudy
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: was delighted to find that there was also a pool.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: It was exactly what she was looking for. The manager
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: was very nice and showed her The vacant unit was
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Apartment fifteen, and Trudy fell in love with it right away.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: She had her own protected parking space, there was a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: locked gate, was very close to the theater where she
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: was rehearsing a play, and the residents of the building
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: were mostly older people, so she figured that there wouldn't
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: be too much noise. The apartment fulfilled every qualification she
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: was looking for. It seemed almost destined, too good to
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: be true, so she didn't hesitate. She paid the manager
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the first and last rent and a security deposit and
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: moved in. She felt great to be living on her own,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: working towards her career as an actor. About six months
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: after she moved in her first problems with the apartment.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: One of the tenants in the unit directly below her
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: was making too much noise and it sounded to her
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: like he was throwing a tennis ball against the ceiling
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, sometimes for hours, and
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Trudy was about to complain to the manager, but then,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to her delight, the man below her moved out and Finally,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: she thought she'd have a peaceful night's sleep, but she
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: was wrong. Even though the apartment below her was empty,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the strange sounds continued, and when Trudy complained to the manager,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: she found out that the man below her had moved
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: out because he thought that she was the one who
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: was making all the noise. As Trudy says, things were happening,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: but I didn't connect it. Now I look back, I think, oh.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: My god, that's what it was.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: The guy had moved out below because he thought I
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: was making a lot of noise. There was a constant
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: noise now that I connected back to Ben, and I
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: thought he was throwing a tennis ball against the wall.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Was going di di di di di di, constantly hitting
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the wall, the floor and something else. And it kept
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: doing it, a constant beat with a ball.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: But I never noticed it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Then it didn't connect because I didn't believe in ghosts.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Around that time, Trudy started to notice other strange things
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: going on in the building. There was an unusual amount
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: of arguing going on. Somebody was always screaming and fighting.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: In fact, people were actually evicted from their apartment because
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: of these continuing tirades. She also noticed there was a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: lot of sick people and there was a constant parade
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: of ambulances going to and from the building. She learned
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: that an old lady had died in the apartment next
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: to the one that was directly below hers, and also
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that a young infant had actually died in her apartment,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and she was shocked to hear that so many deaths
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: had occurred in this building. And there were other strange things.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Everybody in the building seemed shy and reserved, almost scared.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Everybody's door was always closed and locked, and nobody seemed
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: to want to make friends with their neighbors. Soon, Trudy
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: found her bills adding up, and this is when she
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: decided to invite her friend Karen Tyler that's a pseudonym,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to share the apartment with her. This was just before Christmas,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and almost immediately after Karen moved in, strange events began
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to occur. For example, they invited their friend Ivan to
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: help set up Karen's stereo, and he was fiddling with
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the wires when he suddenly stood up, looked over towards
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the hallway. Obviously frightened, Karen and Trudy asked him what
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: was wrong? And he explained that he was seeing a
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: leamur in the hallway. These were little creatures that he
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: said he saw only when there were ghosts around. So
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: now Karen and Trudy looked at each other afraid, but
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Ivan said simply, Oh, don't worry about it, and he
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: bent down and began fixing the stereo. Both Trudy and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Karen could tell that he was trying to set it
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: up as fast as he could without looking like he
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: was rushing, And the minute he was done, I even
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: excused himself and left the apartment. Karen was freaked out
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: by this. She hadn't told anybody, but she had started
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to see strange things out of the corner of her eye,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: dark shadows that would flit across the hallway, exactly where
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Ivan said he saw these lemur like creatures, and Karen
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: suspected that the apartment was haunted. She says, the first
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: time I really noticed it, we were talking in the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: bedroom and I thought I saw it looked like a
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: woman with looking around the corner, but neither of us
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: said anything to each other. I was kind of freaked
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: out and I looked at her and she said what
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: And we both saw it and then we acknowledged it.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: It was just a little old lady. Both were frightened
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: but decided to do their best to ignore it. Shortly
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: following this incident, Karen began to see more dark apparitions
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: flip down the hallway, and now she wasn't seeing them
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: out of the.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Corner of her eye.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: She could look directly at them, and she says, I'd
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: always see figures.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Running by the bathroom. The bathroom was.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Here, here's the corner, and the bedroom was here, and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I'd always see the black figures running past the bathroom,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a black thing. I'd be watching TV and see them
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: back over in the hallway. It looked like stick figures
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: running by. Black stick figures. And Trudy, of course, also
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: began to see them, and she says they were dark figures.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: You could actually see the shape of the head, and
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the main part we saw of them was from the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: shoulders to the head, because I'd always be peeking, and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: if you saw them run, you'd see like a dark
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: zoom the bottom. You couldn't really see it much when
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: it would run. But every single night, the heads, the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: heads and the shoulders, mainly every night darting across I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: mean every time. I never saw the whole body so much.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: All you saw was the darkest area, the head. It
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: was dark, but it was fast, really fast. Was never slow.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: The only time it was slow was when it was peaking.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: So by now, Trudy and Karen had admitted to each
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: other that their apartment was haunted, and they had developed
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: a kind of routine following each incident. Each time there
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: was an apparition, they would look at each other and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: cry out, did you see that? The apparitions appeared so
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: often that Trudy and Karen began to notice patterns. If ever,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: they started arguing, the figures would appear and dash bravely
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: right up next to them, or float up in the
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: corner and stare down at them. Now, one day they
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: spoke with the building manager and asked about the history
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: of the building. They learned from the manager that several
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: strange things had been discovered. For example, construction workers were
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: working on the building and had found several closets on
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the basement floor that had been permanently sealed. They actually
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: had to be torn for remodeling, and when they were opened,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the workers found several old scrolls of parchment with writing
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: on them and recognized them as Jewish Mezuzas. On them
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: were prayers that were supposed to offer protection from evil spirits.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Despite this, the haunting continued to escalate, and the events
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: became so absurd and unbelievable that the two young women
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: felt like they were walking around in shock. Half the time,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: reality was no longer following its natural laws. It seemed
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: like anything could happen. They began to feel like the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: haunting was actually moving inside them, trying to possess them.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: As Trudy says, we felt really different. We felt really
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: really different, like everything was unreal, like we were in
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a higher state of consciousness. Everything you looked at was
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: just really really weird. For example, Trudy once went to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: pet a neighbor's dog who loved her, but when she did,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the dog barked at her as if she was a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: complete strain. Another time, Karen went to visit a good
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: friend and her friend wouldn't open the door for her
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: at first because she didn't recognize Karen. They spoke to
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the lady in the neighboring apartment, who told him that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: she thought her unit was haunted because something or someone
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: was constantly tugging on her hair, and she said she
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: also saw an apparition of an old man in the mirror,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: but when she turned around, nobody was there. Karen and
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Trudy's unit itself was becoming increasingly uncomfortable. They started to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: notice a strange musty odor filling the area. There were
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: also cold spots. One day, they turned on the water
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: faucet and instead of the water streaming down, it sprayed
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: out sideways, as if someone was holding their hand against it.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Another time, they invited Trudy's sister to stay with them,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and in the middle of the night, her sister woke
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: up screaming, saying she saw an apparition. Another time, Trudy
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: was taking an afternoon nap alone in the bedroom. Her
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: bed was a giant, king sized, old fashioned wooden bed,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: and in fact, both she and Karen shared the bed.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: It weighed well over one hundred pounds and it took
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: three of them to move it in. Suddenly, Trudy woke
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: up to the bed shaking. This had happened several times already,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: but she assumed that it was the building shaking or
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a small earthquake, but this time it was obviously only
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: the bed because everything else in the room was still.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: One day, she was washing her hair when someone tapped
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: her on her shoulder. She rolled around and no one
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: was there. Then soon this bed shaking started happening every night.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: As Trudy says, the bed was shaking. It wasn't even
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: back and forth. It was like a really hard shake
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the minute we try to go to sleep. Now, this
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: is why we barely got any sleep because of that.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Anytime we try to go to sleep, the bed would
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: go thud, thud, thud thud. We were told to tell
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: it to stop. Our friend said, tell it to stop,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: say get the f out of here. We'd look because
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: they would always be peeking, and then it would start.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: They'd peek and start, peek and start, and we'd say,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: get the f out of here. They'd stop, and then
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: they will go again. Sometimes they would be in the room.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: They would always be there when it happened. So, not surprisingly,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: they both became exhausted. Tempers often flared, and they started
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to get in violent arguing matches. And every time they argued,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: these apparitions would appear as if they were enjoying it,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: feeding off of it. But this bed continued to shake.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: As Karen says, it shook like an earthquake. The beds
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: started shaking more often. Then the beds started shaking every night,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: every night, big time. Sometimes they the ghosts would be
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: in the room. Sometimes they wouldn't. I'd say, this is
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: my space, this is my space. You can't be here.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: This is my space, right now, leave us alone. But
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the ghosts continued to bother them, so the two girls
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: finally decided that they had to seek outside help. Their
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: friend's advice of shouting at the ghosts only seemed to
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: make it worse. They tried reasoning with them, fleeting, ordering, cursing, praying.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Nothing seemed to get rid of the ghosts. The bed
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: continued to shake, and the apparitions kept flitting around the apartment.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Objects would move by themselves. There were strange explosive sounds
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: coming from the kitchen area, so they tried everything. One time,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: they tried sprinkling salt and lighting white candles and using
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: sacred objects and these kinds of things, but nothing worked.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Around this time, Karen woke up one night from a
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: horrifying but very realistic dream. She was in a room
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: with three other people when a man pulled out a
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: gun and threatened to kill all of them. He waved
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the gun around as if he was possessed and then
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: began shooting, and in fact, he shot and killed everyone
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in the room and then killed himself. In the dream,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Karen ran out of the room screaming. She woke up
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: in a cold sweat, thankful that it was only a nightmare. However,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that day on the news, Karen saw her dream come
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to life. Turned out that just a few blocks away
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: from their apartment, a man shot and killed his family
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: and then himself, exactly like she saw in her dream.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: So Karen and Trudy were now at the end of
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: their rope. Thankfully, their lease was about to run out,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: and they began scanning the newspapers for a different apartment.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: It was only two weeks before the lease ran out,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and things were worse than ever. It looked like the
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: haunting was reaching its peak. Was late at night, both
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Karen and Trudy were getting ready for bed. They crept
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: into bed and turned out the lights, and then Trudy
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: suddenly started praying with an intensity she had never felt before.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: She prayed to God and started saying the Lord's Prayer
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: over and over because she had felt this haunting coming
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: to a peak, and she was more afraid than she
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: had ever been. Did she know the ghost was about
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to attempt to possess her? As Trudy says, I'm saying
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the Lord's Prayer over and over again, our father who
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: art in Heaven, over and over and over. And I
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: was just clenching and just lying there. I was so
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: afraid that night. I kept saying to Karen, I don't
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: want it to happen tonight. I don't want it to
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I can't anymore. I can't deal with it anymore. I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: was so afraid. All of a sudden, the bed started
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: going really hard. But what happened? Oh, I'm getting scared now.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: The bed started shaking and Karen felt this also. The
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: bed was shaking, and I felt a pressure. I could
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: not breathe right here in my chest. It's like I
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: broke away, Karen said. It looked like I had been
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: pushed back. But I couldn't breathe. I could not breathe.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I opened my mouth and I can't even repeat the noise.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: And it was hard and fast that it came out
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: of me. The only way I can explain it is
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that a vacuum was stuck in my mouth and suck
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the air out of me so fast everything went. I
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: mean I couldn't even get up. I was just crying.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, crying and crying. Karen was
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: looking at me like she didn't even want to touch me,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and I was trying to breathe. So Karen was lying
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: right next to Trudy on the night of this incident.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: She was becoming annoyed by Trudy's constant praying, and then
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the beds started shaking violently. The apparitions appeared and Karen
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: saw Trudy get pinned down by this invisible force. As
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Karen says, that night was really really weird. We were
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: looking for a place and we were ready. There was
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: a musty smell. It was yucky.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: You'd walk in there and you.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Felt like dark cold. This is what happened. We go
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: into the room, we turn out the light. The candle
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: is lit. Anyway, Trudy's really getting into it, and I'm thinking, oh,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: come on, Trudy, I'm kind of irritated. I'm starting to
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: go to sleep, and she's praying big time. I could
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: feel it, and I'm next to her. At this point.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I remember she was lying like this, pressed down on
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the bed. She was kind of stiff, kind of like
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: it was holding her down. It's like she couldn't get up.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: She looked like she was trying to get up, but
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: she couldn't. Then she sat up really fast. She couldn't
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: go back to sleep. Now Trudy says that not only
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: was something holding her down and choking her, that it
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: actually moved inside her. As Trudy says, it went through me.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: The pressure here on my solar plexus. I could not breathe,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and the minute my mouth went opened.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: She the ghost was out.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I was hoping she was out when it went through me.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: That hurts so bad.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Not just breathing, hurt pain like crushing. I couldn't go
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: back to sleep. Anytime I closed my eyes, I could
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: see a lady. She was very little, very fragile. The
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: outfit was like a vest from the sixties and colorful.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: This was the colored thing I saw, not black and white.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: She was old though. Her hair was greasy, stringy, with
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: gray and black in it. All I remember was the mouth.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: The mouth wasn't like a big grin, but it was
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: nice and sweet, and her head was tilted, very sweet,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: not threatening at all. Was almost to me like an introduction,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: because I was afraid and so curious of who these
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: people are and why are they bothering us. I don't
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: want them to do it anymore. It was hurting us.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: That's the night I closed my eyes and it went
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: through me and I saw her, and I told Karen,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I can't sleep. I'm seeing this lady. And I explained
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: what she looked like, and I said, she's not hurting me,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: but she's there. She was there, and she wouldn't go away.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Finally I did go to sleep, and I never saw
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: her again. That was the last time. But now I
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: know exactly what she looks like exactly, So that night
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: was the last straw. When morning came, they discussed moving
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: into a hotel for the remainder of the release. The
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: decision wasn't difficult. They decided to move out that day
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: and not spend one more night in this cursed apartment.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: They packed up in a frenzy of activity, throwing everything
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: they owned haphazardly into boxes and bags. By the end
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: of the afternoon, they were finished. All the hard work
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: had left them famished, so they chose to treat themselves
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to a dinner at the nearby cafe fifties. This is
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: a quaint little fast food joint on Van Nuy's Boulevard,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: just a few miles from their apartment, and as they
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: sat down in the cafe, they felt the thrill of
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: finally being free of this ghost. They sat together in
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a little booth and was during the dinner rush. The
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: restaurant was crowded. They were waiting for their food when
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: they both felt the table give a sudden lurch. At first,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: neither of them thought anything of it, but seconds later
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: it started to really shake. They argued about it, and
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: then it started shaking violently, so together they jumped up
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: and went to the cashier to pay their bill because
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: they knew the go had followed them. And this is
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: when the ghost struck again, and this time the waiter
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: became a witness. As Trudy says, so I'm paying the
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: bill and Karen's standing back by the gumball machine, the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: gumball machines just sitting there next to a jukebox, and
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I'm paying the bill and Karen screams, Trudy, I turn
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: around and look, and this gumball machine is going chit
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: really fast, right next to her, shaking, and we grabbed
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the waiter who did not believe us really, and he
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: looked and he turned whiter than white. The gumball machine
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: was just going. It was shaking like the table was,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and he freaked out. He freaked out. The three of
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: us saw about shaking. Was right next to her. I
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: was crying. So the two young ladies paid their bill
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and exited the restaurant in a hurry. They drove away
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and went straight to a hotel, and to their intense relief,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: they spent their first peaceful night in a long time.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: They returned to the apartment early the next morning, got
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: all their boxes and stuff, and moved out. They found
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: another apartment nearby, was a little more expensive, but hopefully
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be haunted. As they set up their new place,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: it was understood that there would be no talk of ghosts.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: This subject was taboo. They had decided that everything would
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: be normal no matter what, and in the first few weeks,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: both Trudy and Karen did notice small, unexplained events, an
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: object moving, a strange noise, once, a light turned on
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: by itself, but these were few and far between, and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: they just completely ignored them, and to their delight, the
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: haunting seemed to be over just in case they decided
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: to move again. They found a better apartment and completed
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the move, and after the second move, the paranormal events
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: came to a complete stop. The ghosts had finally left
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: them alone. Now I spoke with the apartment manager and
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: she confirmed the haunting, particularly in Unit fifteen. As the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: apartment manager says, the woman who lives there now still experiences.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: We've had a lot here. One we had was in
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: a different apartment than the two girls rented, was across
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: the building actually, but on the second floor, and the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: girl there said that there was a moth there was
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: weird things that it was doing. Another one, the girl
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: who moved in there now, she said she felt somebody
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: was watching her from the bedroom door, But she hasn't
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: really said that much because everyone's probably going to think
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: she's crazy if she keeps.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Talking about it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: And I personally had one where I walked into my
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: living room. I walked in there and I felt somebody
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: watching me, and I ran back into my bedroom because
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: it frightened me so much. But I've never had that
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: feeling since. That's the only time I've ever had that.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: What happened with apartment fifteen was an older man and
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: an older woman were living there, and the man died
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and the woman became friendly with the man downstairs, who
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: was a young man. They were friends, I guess just friends,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: but they became very friendly. But the old man never rested,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: and that's who they say the ghost is, because sometimes
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: he feels angry. The girl who's in there now says,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: it's like he's angry now. One weird event happened later.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: This was about one evening, around nine pm in mid
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: October nineteen eighty nine that Trudy and Karen were in
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: their new apartment. They both heard this very loud, buzzing
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: noise which got so loud that they both became convinced
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: a plane was about to crash into their building. As
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Trudy says, was like a buzz a really loud energy
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: level kept getting louder, louder and louder, hurting the ears loud.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: As Karen says, we heard this noise, it felt like
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: it was right over our apartment, like it was coming down.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I remember looking at her and thinking this is it.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: So they both thought perhaps this poltergeist was back, and
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: when this sound persisted, they ran outside to see what
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: it was and were absolutely shocked at what they saw.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: As Trudy says, we saw weird lights. The lights were
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and they kind of curved up like a U. It
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: was big, really big. It was long, it was huge.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: It stayed in one spot. Trudy cried out, look, how
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: big it is. It's a UFO. Very quickly this craft
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: started to dart away, but as Karen says, it seemed
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: like it was staying there forever. There were a lot
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: of lights. But then it moved really quickly. It went
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: up it says Trudy. We saw it hover. It acknowledged
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: that we saw it. Then it darted like a dart.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: It went zoom zoom, and it was gone. Now several
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: months later, after all of this went down, I checked
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: in on Trudy and Karen. They were no longer living together.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: It seemed that the ghosts had come back, but it
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: was now centering around Karen. She said she heard footsteps
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and felt strange cold spots. Then one day she was
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: alone in her new apartment when she says, a large
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: black apparition appeared, attacked her and pinned her to the
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: ground for a period of about an hour. She refused
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: to give a formal interview, didn't want to talk about
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: it at all and wouldn't give any other details. Truly,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: thankfully has experienced no further activity. So those are the
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: haunted apartments. How interesting is that this is a classic
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: case I think of demonic haunting. The fact that these
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: witnesses describe a very dark apparition. That's the sort of
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: pattern we see with these demonic hauntings and other events.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, one really interesting manifestation I found fascinating was
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the witness describing how the water came out of the
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: faucet sideways. I've interviewed people who described that same exact
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: ghostly manifestation, which is so rare I don't even know
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: that I've even read about it. So there's these weird patterns.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: There was another remarkable pattern with one of the witnesses
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: just describing a dream of murder are taking place just
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: two blocks away from where they lived. It's almost as
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: if these demonic spirits are implanting or invading their dreams,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: and they certainly felt like they were being invaded. So
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: this shows all the classic signs of a fall on
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: full blown demonic haunting case. I've been there again many times.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: You can go there now. It looks like a shiny
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: new building. In fact, it's quite expensive to live there.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing the haunting is over by now. One final
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: really interesting aspect was how the witnesses described having a
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: UFO sighting following them moving out and basically overcoming this
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: spiritual battle. I've always wondered about this connection. Here. I
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: suspect that the ets were coming down and sort of
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: celebrating or remarking upon their successful spiritual battle and overcoming evil.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know specula but it's an interesting pattern that
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I have seen in a few cases. So now let's
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: move to the last and final one, and this one
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I think is the scariest of all. This involves at
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: least three witnesses that I interviewed, but really dozens of witnesses.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I call this one the Wildwood demon. This is another
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: case that took place over a period of years, and
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: this took place in San Carlos, California. I do think
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: the main witness, Whitney Wright, probably does have some medianistic talent.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: It certainly sounds like it given his description of the events.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: But this is a classic case of a demonic haunting.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: As we'll see, because it starts with that same pattern
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: of manifestations, many different types of phenomena occurring with cold
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: spots and bowel odors and apparitions and so forth, and
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: it just really, I think has a lot to say
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: about what exactly is going on with these types of hauntings.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: One of the most extreme haunting cases I've ever investigated
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: occurred in a small house in the suburb of San Carlos, California.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: The haunting began in nineteen seventy five when the Right
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: family moved into their home on Wildwood Avenue. Although the
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: house was about seventy years old, it was in remarkably
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: good condition at the time. The Right family consisted only
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: of two members, Missus Wright and her infant son, Whitney.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: When they first moved into the house, everything appeared to
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: be normal. Whoever, as a Whitney grew up, things began
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to change, and he reports from a very early age
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: that he experienced many strange events. So he doesn't remember
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: exactly when they started. The earliest events that he can
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: remember seemed always to be connected to his imaginary friend.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Like many young children, Whitney says he had to pretend
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: playmate and He reports that he spent many hours with
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: his pretend friend, and he always knew that he was
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: just pretending, and yet things happened that sometimes made him
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: wonder about this, because doors would open and close by themselves,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: lights would turn on and off, objects would move, And
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: as he grew up, he had long stopped pretending to
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: have an imaginary friend, and yet these strange things continued
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: to happen. Around age eleven, Whitney finally decided that yes,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: his house was haunted. As his mom was a single
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: parent and Whitney was an only child, he was often
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: left alone in the house, particularly after school, and it
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: was then that these things mostly occurred. As Whitney says,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: ever since I was a little kid, things would happen
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: like I'd go around the house and shut all the doors,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and my mom would come home from work and the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: doors would be open. Little things like that. When I
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: was a little kid, I would get weird vibes. I
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: feel like somebody was watching me, So I'd grab a
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: knife out of the cabinet, run through the whole house,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: looking in all the closets and stuff, because I'd think
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: someone like the Boogeyman was there. And every time there
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: would be nothing there. I would always hear sounds and stuff.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I don't really remember, it was a long time ago,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: but I'd hear whispers like wisps, not really saying anything
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: in particular, but I'd hear things. So I always had
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: the thought in my head that there must be a
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: ghost or something in here. So Whitney had no dramatic
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: face to face encounters when he was a child, but
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: these little events constantly pestered him, and he searched for
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: an explanation and thinking back, the first events did seem
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: to involve his imaginary friend, and there were a few
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: occasions he recalled that he would ask his imaginary friend
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: to do something and it would happen. As Whitney says,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: it was weird. My mom would come and yell at me,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: and I would wish, damn, I just wish she would
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: slip and fall, and she would slip and fall. One time,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I was pissed because she had grounded me, done all
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: this stuff to me. I had some crans I was drawing,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: and she broke my crans. While she was putting up
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: this thing on our back porch. We have this overhang.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: It had like fiberglass material on it, and I'm thinking, damn,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I just wish it would slice her head off or something,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: And sure enough, she sliced her hand really bad.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Was weird. Stuff that I would.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Think that I would want to happen in my mind
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: would happen, And that's how I started to realize something
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: was up. So, as Whitney grew up, these little paranormal
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: events occurred on a regular basis and left him convinced
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that he had a ghost in the house. Now, when
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Whitney grew up to be a teenager, his friend Paul
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Delgado moved into a room in the garage, and was
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: shortly after Paul moved in that the ghosts really began
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: to haunt the house in earnest. Where before the ghost
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: appeared infrequently, now things began to happen much more often,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: and different types of phenomenon began to manifest. My first
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: manifestation was objects moving by themselves or disappearing, and in
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: fact this became the new preferred manifestation. The ghosts would
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: constantly take Whitney's or Paul's possessions, and as usual, the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: two boys would blame each other and a vicious argument
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: would ensue. It was only later that they realized the
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: ghost was the one who was causing the problem. As
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Whitney says, it started getting bad when my friend Paul
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: moved in. He was living in the loft, and it
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: would play little things against us, try to get us
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: in fights. Would do little things like I'd be missing
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: something out of my room. It had this tendency. I
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: would lose stuff like my guitar tuner. One day, I
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: was tuning my guitar and the phone rang, So I
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: went and I was on the phone for ten twenty minutes.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Came back and my guitar tuner was gone. I was
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: really pissed, yelling at Paul, and I couldn't find it now.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Later he found this guitar tuner in the weirdest place
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: inside the loft, inside boxes that were filled with china
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: dishes that had actually been taped up for years. So
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: this is almost impossible. So this ghost had finally hit
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: upon a method to really get their attention, to really
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: get under their skin. And after this incident, numerous valuable
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: personal objects began to disappear or be mysteriously misplaced. As
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Whitney says, I've had money disappear constantly. Things are moving
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: in my room even.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: To this day.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: But it's weird. If you let it get to you,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: that's when it gets stronger. If you don't pay any
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: attention to it and don't give it energy, nothing really happens.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: One of Whitney's and Paul's favorite pastimes was to get
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: together and play guitar. Actually formed a small band and
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: played every chance they could get, and interestingly, the ghosts
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: seemed to hate this. During these jamming sessions, strong bursts
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: of paranormal activity would manifest in various ways. As Whitney says,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: it hated when Paul and I had a band. When
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: we practiced here and played music, it would throw a
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: temper tantrum. The house would be totally clean. My mom
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: kept the house clean, and then we'd play. We'd come
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: out and the toaster and can opener have these covers.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: They'd be pulled off, and the cupboards in the kitchen
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: would be open. Stuff would be on the floor. Not
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: necessarily every time were the cupboards opened, but one time
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I can remember that it would throw a temper tantrum
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: when we played. Now Paul confirms this, As Paul says,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: there were definitely unexplained presences that we were experiencing there.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I really didn't know how to explain it. I was
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: very doubtful of things. But there were just some things
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: that happened that were very unexplainable. So many different things
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: went on for a period of time. I can definitely
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: say I have a belief in lost objects, things that
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: you know you've set somewhere, you come back and they're
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: not there, and you just know they were there. That
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. It definitely seemed to mess with our heads.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: It seemed like sometimes the thing in certain rooms would
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: get us very angry and we'd end up being very agitated,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: and other times we would just be scared. Other times
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: it definitely messed with your head, but you are just
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: mainly in a state of denial saying this isn't happening.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just tripping out. Another way the ghost manifested was
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: through unexplained sounds. Most old houses produce odd creaking sounds
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: as they settle, but the right households seemed unusually creaky.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: As Whitney says, you know old houses when they set
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: all they crack. We had just had an earthquake up
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: here and my house was creaking pretty bad from it.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: But you would hear it tweak the house. It sounded
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: like you know how you wring out a cloth. It
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: would ring out the house. The whole house would just
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: go creak. You would hear it, and it would go
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: through the whole house. It sort of shuddered. It sounded
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: like it was tweaked, like it was creaking through the
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: whole house. So, now that Paul knew about the ghost,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: he understood all the previous unexplained events. But now we
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: had another problem. The ghost was still here, and Paul
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: didn't like the idea of living with the ghost. The
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: whole idea really scared him, and he experienced many frightening incidents.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: As he says, I used to sleep up in the
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: attic there. There's this little step ladder that goes up
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: into the attic. Where I would sleep was above the garage,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: and all the doors were closed. And now I remember
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I once experienced what sounded like somebody. I thought Whitney
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: was messing with me, and he was walking up the stairs.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Because I could distinctly hear the creaking boards, it was
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: someone walking up the stairs. By the time it got
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: up to where I thought it was, I jumped up
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: and looked around and there was nobody there. That was
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: quite bizarre. They were all pretty weird, but probably the
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: scariest one was when the thing sounded like it was
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: coming up into my room. So that incident left Paul
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: shaking with fear because there was no more denying that
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: this house was haunted. He told Whitney what happened. Paul
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: suggested that they get a Wigi board and try to
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: contact the ghost. This point, he didn't quite realize that
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: giving the ghost attention only made it more powerful, and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: he just wanted to get more information that would help
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: them understand why this ghost was bothering them so much.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: He was also very curious as to who the ghost was. Now.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Whitney said that a child by the name of Joey
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: drowned in the pool next door, and he speculated that
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: perhaps that's who the ghost was, so they nicknamed the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: ghost Joey, but Whitney, of course later became convinced that
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: this ghost was not Joey at all, but something much darker.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: So they began to use this Wuiji board, and, as
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Whitney says, I said, Wow, maybe we can communicate with it.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: We got this Ouiji board with a pendulum It had
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: a wire going down to a wait, you swing it
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: and it swings over whatever it wants to say. The
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: pendulum on the Ouiji board. We would swing it back
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: and forth and it would stop in an area it
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: was fighting gravity to stop there. It stopped, paused a
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: couple of seconds, and then it started swinging again. We
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: asked another question, would pause and stop swinging for a
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: couple of seconds, and then it would start swinging again.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: My girlfriend and Paul's girlfriend were all playing around with it,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: asking all these stupid questions. Actually, I think it was
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: telling them what they wanted to hear. They were having
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: a good time doing it, and I said, f that shit,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: take it away, don't even mess with that anymore. She
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: had her elbow on the table holding the pendulum, and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I got pissed. I yelled at her. I said, don't
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: even f with that stuff anymore, or I'm going to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: throw you out. And sure enough, right in the middle
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: of the wire, it broke. It didn't jerk her hand around,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: it just went tink and the weight hit the table.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: We were all whoa. We looked at it and it
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: just broke right in the middle. So this Ouiji board
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: incident convinced Whitney that this was definitely not the little
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: boy Joey who had died next door, that this ghost
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: was probably lying and probably evil. He said it was
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: active enough that many of his friends also witnessed the activity,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: says Whitney. All my friends come over and they don't
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: believe it, and then it totally makes itself apparent to them.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: That happened a hundred times to all different friends of mine.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: They'd get doubt in their mind, and then it would happen.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: One of Whitney's friends, Dan Diaz, confirms this as Dan says,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I've known Whitney since we were in the fourth grade,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: and he told me there was a ghost in his house.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't really believe him at first. He told me
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: that it was a friend of his, and as he
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: got older, the ghost always kind of stayed its age,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and I guess when they were friends, they were the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: same age. Materialized one time and it was a kid,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: but I guess the thing would mess with him, play
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: tricks on him, do things to him, and he always knew,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: and his mother knew too. He never told anyone died there,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: but I think they knew who he was, and he
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: could follow it from the coldness. They usually knew where
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: it was. I guess it materialized one time at the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: foot of the bed when he was younger. He said
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: it was a little boy, and he said it was
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: in ragged clothes. He would always talk about it, and
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: I never knew if I should believe him or not.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: But as we got older, he was always talking about it.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: And one time we were in the attic.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Part of his house. It's this garage loft.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Area, and we were hanging out up there and we
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: heard it. It came and it hit the roof right
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: where we were. It knew right where we were, just bam,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: really loud. It wasn't a rock, and there were footsteps too,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: but there was no one there who was damn loud.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: It scared us all. Whitney also noticed again that the
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: ghost always seemed to manifest in ways that would cause
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: a fight. As Whitney says, the little games he plays
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: are evil, like when I had my friend that you interviewed, Paul,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: we will get into a minor little fight and then
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: it would be a bloody brawl. Would really agitate your feelings,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: like hiding little things, playing little games like that, which
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: I think Paul did it or whatever. The cat would
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: be chased around the house. He'd get in one corner
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he would freak out
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: and run to another side or part of the house.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Another thing they both noticed was foul odors and cold spots.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Says Paul, there was a time when certain rooms in
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Whitney's house it definitely wasn't the smell of garbage. It
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: was like a dead smell. We smelled that before. I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: remember that there were definitely horrible odors sometimes, and they
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: weren't just normal odors like dirty socks or food or something,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: and we would get cold flashes and you would know
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: it was there. There was no denying it. We both
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: experienced the same thing. Who were standing near the bottom
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: of the stairs. There once Whitney and I who were
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: just standing there and we felt this coldness. This being
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: or whatever just nut and walk right past us. It
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: was really strange. So the two of them became kind
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: of fascinated by their ability to perceive the location of
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: the ghost by its cold spots, and they decided to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: try an experiment. Once they found out where the cold
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: spot was, they would step into the cold spot and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: try to feel the energy, and to their surprise, it
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: almost felt like the presence would move inside them. It
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: was then that the haunting began to reach its final
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: stage of possession. As Whitney says, we had been going
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: on for a couple of weeks where you would get
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: these rushes, like a head rush. Vertigo would start in
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: your back and tingle, and then it would go up
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: to your head and you would just feel all your
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: hair stand up. It's like when you're in a warm
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: room and you get a breeze of cool air. You
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: just feel tingly for a second. You're like, WHOA Like
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: when you're in a hot house and you run outside
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: and it's cold and you get that feeling kind of
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: like that. We had been playing with these rushes from
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: time to time, and this one night we had gone
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: in one room and then we would wait there and
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: you would feel it. You could honestly feel a presence
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: fill up the room. It was really weird. You would
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: get the rush and instantly the room would feel cold.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: And we were going from room to room and the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: whole house doing this because we were playing with it.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: The one time we ran into the kitchen and Paul said, wait,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: check this out because it was following us from room
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: to room. We could totally feel it. I mean two
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: of us were there.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: It was real.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: We just played with it like that time to time,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: and it seemed like my room the most. I guess
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: you could say possessed or whatever, because that's where the
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: extreme things happened. No, Whitney already knew that they should
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: be playing around with the ghosts, but it was a lesson.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Apparently he had to learn the hard way, as Whitney says,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I've always believed in God and been towards trying to
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: be a good person. So I really didn't want to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: pay too much attention to it because it kind of
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: scared me and it was definitely evil, to say the least.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to play with it. It's like something taboo.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: You don't really want to mess around with it, which
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't actually, so on this one evening where they
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: had allowed the ghost to actually move inside them, the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: activity came to a complete climax. Both of them had
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: just gotten into bed when a piercingly loud, screeching, grinding
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: sound reverberated through the house. Both of them heard it,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: As Whitney says, We're just getting ready to go to sleep,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: when all of a sudden we heard this weird sound.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: You know how on old fashioned skateboard or skates have
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: those steel wheels. It sounded like that going down the street,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: but it was actually so loud and heavy it sounded
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: like a car.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: This was really weird.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: It sounded like a car driving down the street with
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: no tires, so weird. We're just getting ready to go
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: to sleep and this sound came into our house. Now
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Paul confirms this as Paul says, the most bizarre sound
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: we heard was what sounded like an old metal skateboard
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: with old metal wheels screeching.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Down the road.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Sounded like it was going over the roof. We went out.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: We both heard it. He was clear on the other
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: end of the house and I was in the attic,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: and we both heard it and couldn't figure it out.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: We looked in the sky, we looked around. We couldn't
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: see it anywhere. But we heard this sound going down
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: the street and was weird. It was bizarre. So after that,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Paul insisted on sleeping in Whitney's room, so they set
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: up a bedroll on the floor and prepared to go
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: to sleep. However, as Whitney lay down in his bed
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: and Paul lay down on the floor, they both felt
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: the presence of the ghost very strongly, and little did
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: they know, the ghost was about to launch a full
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: out attack on the unsuspecting witnesses. It all began when
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Paul again started playing with this ghost. Whitney tried to
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: stop him, but it was too late. This occurred in
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three, but both of them remember it vividly,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: as Whitney says, I set up a bed so he
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: could sleep on the ground. We were talking about it
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: freaked out. Nothing really happened. It was totally mellow, and
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: then we decided to go to sleep. So he's laying
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: there thinking, man, that was trippy. I mean you get
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: that small little bit of tinkling, like a rush when
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: it comes into the room. And he said, did you
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: feel that? Did you feel that? And I said, yeah,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: that was trippy, And then it would go away. We
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: kept on getting them in series of three or four
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: at a time. Then it would be quiet for a
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: couple of minutes. Then they would start getting really big,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I mean heavy duty, and Paul was all, wow, that's intense. Wow,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: And it started getting really bad. And he started saying, Wow,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: this isn't bad. Maybe it doesn't want to hurt me.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: And I said, shut up, Paul, just go to sleep.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Forget about all that stuff. And he started to say, no, no,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: It feels good.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: He kept on saying, and I said, no, come on.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: I was laying on my bed. He was laying on
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: the floor. This incident is probably the heaviest thing that
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: ever happened. I'll never forget it. He was all, no, no,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: I like it. This feels good.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Come on, come on, I want more. I want more.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: He kept saying, that was weird. He kept on saying, wow,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: did you feel that? And I was saying, Paul, come on.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: And he was right in the middle of this big rush,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: and to say the least, my hair stuck straight out.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: I heard him. He was all, wow, this is great.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, it sounded like something
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: grabbed his throat, like it made him start talking really squeaky.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: It was really weird.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: It was like someone was squeezing his throat and he
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: kept on talking. He didn't go ah, he didn't start
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: screaming like someone was grabbing him. If something grabbed his neck.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: He'd be freaking out, especially if you couldn't see it.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: He didn't.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: It sounded like something grabbed his vocal cords and stretched them.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: So he talked really squeaky. You really couldn't make out
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: what he was saying. It was really weird. He wasn't
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: stressed or anything, but he just kept on mumbling. My
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: personal opinion, it sounded like some other crazy language or something.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: He kept on mumbling, and I'm laying there stupid, thinking
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: what I don't understand this. I didn't really believe it
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: at first.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: I was all, what the F is up?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: What is happening. At this point, Whitney realized what was happening.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Paul had become possessed by this ghost, so he tried
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: to jump up and get to him, and this is
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: when the ghost attacked him too. Whitney says it was weird.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I tried to sit up in my bed and it
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: felt like gravity was pulling me down. It slammed me
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: back in my bed. I set up for one second
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: and it slammed me.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: Back in my bed.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: It was like I had five six hundred pounds sitting
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: on my chest, but it wasn't really hold me at
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: one point when something called you down. You can feel
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: it on your shoulders or your arms or whatever. It
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: was like through my whole body. I couldn't even lift
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: a toe.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: I was pinned there.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: I could not effing move. I was struggling, screaming because
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: I heard Paul. He was starting to get squeakier and squeakier.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: It was really weird. It took what seemed like hours,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: but it was only a matter of minutes. I rolled
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: off the bed, I hit the ground, and I crawled.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Was still playing with me, but it was like it
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: lost its grip or something. I went right over to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Paul and I touched him. I still have scars, but
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: I touched him. I had a crucifix on my neck.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: My neighbors used to be Jehovah witnesses, and they gave
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: it to me a long time ago, so I put
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: it to his chest at the same time. He grabbed
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: my back. I still have scars from it. I mean
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: it was a sharp pain. He grabbed me. I mean
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: it grabbed me. It just kept on mumbling, mumbling in.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: That squeaky voice. I held it there.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: I was thinking in my head, God, please help me,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: and his squeakiness went back to crying, and he was
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  Speaker 1: just sitting there crying from him grabbing me. He started
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  Speaker 1: hugging me, crying, just totally shaking. He was really tripped out,
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  Speaker 1: to say the least, I was quite freaked out. I
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  Speaker 1: told him straight out I was going to kick him
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  Speaker 1: out of the house if he ever plays like that again.
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  Speaker 1: And he honestly didn't realize what he was doing. My
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  Speaker 1: personal experiences, from what I've talked to people with ghosts,
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  Speaker 1: was trying to possess him in a way, get inside
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  Speaker 1: his body. To say the least, it almost did. It
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  Speaker 1: was quite scary. I still remember it vividly. That was
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  Speaker 1: probably the heaviest thing that happened. I mean, you would
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  Speaker 1: have had to have been there to experience it. It
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  Speaker 1: scared the crap out of me. Now, Paul himself has
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: only sketchy memories of this incident. Although he does remember
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  Speaker 1: sensing the ghost and feeling it enter his body, his
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: memory ends there, as Paul says, I remember, we felt
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: the presence in the room, and we felt this energy
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  Speaker 1: and I let it come into me, and as I
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: was doing so, I seemed to be overwhelmed by it.
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  Speaker 1: I remember being pinned to the floor. But I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: thinking or anything. I just remember I couldn't get up
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  Speaker 1: and it was very strange. Paul's next memory was of
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  Speaker 1: Whitney pulling them back into consciousness and being very upset
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  Speaker 1: and afraid. Needless to say, both of them vowed to
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  Speaker 1: never play with the ghost again and was a few
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  Speaker 1: months following this possession incident, Whitney experienced another event that
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: was equally terrifying because for the first time, the ghost
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: manifested in full color. It happened at the worst possible time.
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  Speaker 1: Whitney had just broken up with his girlfriend. He was
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: confused and upset. He was lying in bed thinking dark thoughts,
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  Speaker 1: and evidently the ghost could not resist this opportunity. As
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Whitney says, this is really weird. I had just broken up.
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  Speaker 1: I had this girlfriend I was really in love with,
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  Speaker 1: and she totally screwed me over. This was when Paul
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  Speaker 1: was living at my house. Got to a point he
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: was scared to even come home for a while. He
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  Speaker 1: says to this day he won't live in the house.
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  Speaker 2: But to say the.
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  Speaker 1: Least, I was really upset. We hadn't had any disturbances
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  Speaker 1: in the last couple of months, and then all of
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: a sudden, I felt really weak. I was hurt. I
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: felt bad, and I came home. We have this light
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: in the front room that's always lit up. It lights
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: up the front room and you can see through the drapes.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: But it was like the drapes were pulled back with
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: a face looking at me, like you could see it,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: but when you really start focusing on it and really
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: looking at it, you can't see it anymore.
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  Speaker 2: It was weird.
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  Speaker 1: So I got in my bed, I laid down and
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: I started trying to go to sleep. It was like
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I dozed off for a while, and then I got
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: cold chills. I was kind of dozing off and I
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: got a cold chill. I woke up and it stunk.
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  Speaker 1: My room reeked. I almost puked. I mean I gagged
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: when I woke up. You get a bunch of meat
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: and you throw it in the garbage can for about
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: a hour of a year. It smelled gross. It smelled
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: like rotten flesh. That's what I think.
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  Speaker 2: It was crude.
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  Speaker 1: My room stunk, it was cold, it was weird. I
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: sat up in my bed. I had this chair my
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: grandma gave me a long time ago. It was in
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: the corner of my room, and I saw the silhouette
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: of a person, a small, young person sitting there. You
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: could tell the head moved, It looked at me, and
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: it was weird. I woke up because it was stinking.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: It stunk. I looked and I saw that. Shortly following
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: the appearance of this apparition, the activity began to slow
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: down and taper off. Every now and then, a few
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: odd events still occurred, but nowhere near the intensity of before.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: There were just a few odd creeks, a few missing objects,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: but that's about it now. Whitney was at first very
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: reluctant to even give an interview about his experiences because
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: he felt that this would be giving the ghost attention.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: And it turns out he was right, because immediately after
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: I interviewed him, the ghost came back. In a follow
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: up interview, he told me what happened. As Whitney says,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: last time you interviewed me, I guess the presence in
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: my house wasn't too happy because he took a check book.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I was just getting ready to go downtown and do
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: some shopping. He took my checkbook for about a week
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: and decided to give it back to me about a
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: week later, after we had searched the entire house, every
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: inch of the house, he gave it back to me.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: He left it right in the middle of the kitchen,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: right underneath the kitchen table, and we had checked everywhere
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: in every part of the house. So that was pretty scary.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine what it must be like
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: to see your friend just be pressed to the ground
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: speaking of foreign language, jump up and try to help them,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: and you get slammed back onto the mattress. That has
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: got to be terrifying. There's that pattern again. If you
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: pay attention to this ghost, if you give it energy,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: it will feed off your fear and just become stronger.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: So for those folks who are having this kind of activity,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: there's a lesson there. Don't give attention to the ghost.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Don't be afraid it feeds off your fear. This is
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: well known among paranormal researchers, so truly fascinating case. In fact,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about these cases, I
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: did write about them in my book California Ghosts True
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Cases of Haunting in the Golden State. It's one of many,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: many cases of hauntings that I've investigated. But yeah, these
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: three are the most extreme, and I think they reveal
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: that there are some dark things out there, demonic spirits.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Hard to say for sure. Again, there's different theories as
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: to what causes these kinds of events, but there you go.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just relaying the facts as we know them. I
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: hope you've found this interesting and perhaps learned a few
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: things about ghosts and spirits. Again, happy how I hope
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: you've enjoyed this episode Until next time, Keep asking those
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: hard questions, keep searching for the truth. Also, in foreign
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: to of all, keep having fun, and don't worry, I'll
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: be talking about UFOs and humanoids on the next episode.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Had to talk about ghosts every once in a while,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: after all, the show is called UFOs and the Paranormal.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Halloween, be well.