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The Kenny Report | 20 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: The budget backlash tonight it intensifies, with young business owners
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  Speaker 3: saying they'll suffer and the Albanezi government claiming to be
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  Speaker 3: the victim of misinformation.
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  Speaker 1: Now Pauline Hansen will join me.
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  Speaker 3: The Nation's Peak Muslim body makes a submission to the
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  Speaker 3: Bondi Royal Commission, but fails to address the threat of
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  Speaker 3: Islamist extremism. We'll have a look at Foreign News as
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  Speaker 3: we await Donald Trump's next move on Iran and Keir
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  Speaker 3: Starmer clings to power in the United Kingdom. The gender
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  Speaker 3: debate and the rights of girls and women being trampled on.
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  Speaker 3: Rachel Wong will join me on that, and we'll cover
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  Speaker 3: plenty in the Wednesday Wrangle with Danika and Justin, including
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  Speaker 3: Ozzie's fawning over Michelle Obama.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: We had a bit of fun with the social media
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  Speaker 3: backlash against the Albanezy charm As budget last night, so
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  Speaker 3: before we get too serious, let's have some more. Let's
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  Speaker 3: start with the sound of music.
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  Speaker 4: All the hills are a that with the sound of elbows,
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  Speaker 4: bulls with slogans that are all day long.
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  Speaker 5: He smiles and waves while dodging questions about the cost
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  Speaker 5: of living, housing crisis and immigration, and sings like nothing
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  Speaker 5: could go wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Jimbo announces the federal budget or with.
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  Speaker 6: Tax hikes, says trust the plan, but won't say when
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  Speaker 6: every crisis gets a brand new line.
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  Speaker 4: Every answer is carefully designed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the hills are alive with the sound of economic betrayal.
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  Speaker 1: Dough, oh dear, it's all about doe.
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  Speaker 3: And elbow has got a long, long way to run. Look,
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  Speaker 3: Labor can hardly complain about this treatment. After all, it's
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  Speaker 3: been using social media like a bunch of.
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  Speaker 1: Tween ages for years.
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  Speaker 3: Now here's our one, Minister sells Labour's housing plans.
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  Speaker 7: Australia's housing system has been stacked against first home buyers.
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  Speaker 8: Let's break down how we got here.
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  Speaker 3: How about more economics and less Instagram trickery. But this
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  Speaker 3: budget is so bad and so counterproductive that young Australians,
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  Speaker 3: the Insta generations, have taken to writing an old fashioned letter.
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  Speaker 3: The open Letter from forty five business owners under the
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  Speaker 3: age of forty tells the Prime Minister that they the
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  Speaker 3: undersigned other people. The budget says it wants back and
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  Speaker 3: they lash out at the core failing on the central issue.
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  Speaker 3: The changes to the capital gains tax discount on shares
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  Speaker 3: will do nothing to make houses more affordable. All they
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  Speaker 3: will achieve is to suck the ambition, drive and hope
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  Speaker 3: out of the hearts of young business builders nationwide.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my assessment early last week that.
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  Speaker 3: On top of the broken promises, the central lie of
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  Speaker 3: the budget was that it helps the young. When it
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  Speaker 3: actually does the opposite, little wonder it's running into trouble.
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  Speaker 9: Well, there always is to budgets, of course, but we've
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  Speaker 9: been explaining our position of reform. This is a budget
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  Speaker 9: aimed fairly and squarely at delivering hope for young Australians
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  Speaker 9: that they have the opportunity to get into their first home.
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  Speaker 1: Look, that's just not true. Of course.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great irony that Alban Eazy has been exposed
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  Speaker 3: for breaking promises and telling lies.
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  Speaker 1: Yet the more that young people.
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  Speaker 3: Point out his failings on social media, the more he
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  Speaker 3: claims to be the victim of lies.
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  Speaker 10: So if I think there are a campaigns being run
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  Speaker 10: from the right wing parties and their allies to distort
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  Speaker 10: some of what's we'll talk that through and that's why
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  Speaker 10: we are taking every opportunity to explain what the changes are.
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  Speaker 1: The Treasurer also claims to be a victim.
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  Speaker 11: Contrary to a lot of the misinformation that you might see,
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  Speaker 11: is that there are four existing concessions and carve outs
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  Speaker 11: for small business and we're.
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  Speaker 1: Not changing them.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So once you get past the misinformation, they seem
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  Speaker 3: to have sort of their way through the issues and
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  Speaker 3: found a way to argue their case on the existing exemptions. Heye,
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  Speaker 3: it's starting to look pretty messy, and the opposition knows
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  Speaker 3: that it has momentum and.
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  Speaker 12: What they're planning to do now is going to do
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  Speaker 12: exactly that replace small business with big government. Only this
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  Speaker 12: government could be so arrogant and so it could so
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  Speaker 12: badly misunderstand this country as to think that that's a
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  Speaker 12: good idea.
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  Speaker 13: In generations past, young Astrain's got ahead by buying property.
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  Speaker 13: To the day, young Australians know that to get ahead
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  Speaker 13: they need to invest, They need to build a business,
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  Speaker 13: a side hustle, equity or a startup.
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  Speaker 3: Not only is the Coalition on the attack, but the
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  Speaker 3: most senior labor premiere in the country has zeroed in
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  Speaker 3: on bracket creep. How it hurts workers and devalues the
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  Speaker 3: wage increases paid by the state governments.
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  Speaker 14: In a general sense, whether it's now or in the future,
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  Speaker 14: we do need to make sure we're taking urgent action
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  Speaker 14: when it comes to personal income taxes because at the
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  Speaker 14: moment a lot of working families are getting stung.
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  Speaker 3: That sounds awfully close to a labor endorsement of the
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  Speaker 3: coalition's plan to fully fully index income tax thresholds and
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  Speaker 3: do away with bracket creep forever. The alban easy Charmers
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  Speaker 3: budget blues are set to continue with the legislation to
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  Speaker 3: be debated in Parliament next month, and the real world
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  Speaker 3: reactions growing this business is all we have and you
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  Speaker 3: know we want to crowd a future for our own families.
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  Speaker 8: The new reforms to just a kick in the guts.
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  Speaker 15: Just feel that the harder you work and the more
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  Speaker 15: that you put into your business, the more that you
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  Speaker 15: get taxed.
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  Speaker 2: Because if we tax risk taking in the same way
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  Speaker 2: that we tax ordinary income, then we're left with the
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  Speaker 2: question why take the risk in the first place.
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  Speaker 8: I'm a small business owner.
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  Speaker 16: I employ fifty people at the moment across regional and
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  Speaker 16: remote communities throughout Australia. And I'm just exhausted by not
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  Speaker 16: being supported by the government, Like that's what it feels
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  Speaker 16: like constantly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The other point, as we said last night, is the
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  Speaker 3: money you're investing, you've already paid tax on, so the
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  Speaker 3: government wants a second clip at your money. The public
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  Speaker 3: reaction is impossible to ignore. The Sky News Pulse survey
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  Speaker 3: shows that even though the budget was aimed at promoting
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  Speaker 3: home ownership, more people think the budget will make buying
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  Speaker 3: a house harder than think it will make it easier,
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  Speaker 3: and a total of forty two percent believe the budget
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  Speaker 3: will make the household either a bit worse off or
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  Speaker 3: much worse off. Little wonder the Prime Minister's disapproval has
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  Speaker 3: hit fifty six percent, with a net satisfaction rating of
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  Speaker 3: minus nineteen percent. The mainstream media, which has always been
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  Speaker 3: pretty supportive of ALBO, has started to follow the lead
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  Speaker 3: of its audiences.
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  Speaker 17: The Prime Minister tried to laugh off the online ridicule
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  Speaker 17: as his.
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  Speaker 7: Treasurer insists taxpayers will be better off, but Australians aren't
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  Speaker 7: buying it.
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  Speaker 3: Even if the ABC is still hoping the left can lift.
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  Speaker 18: As small businesses weigh in.
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  Speaker 2: We're all like scare what's going to happen next.
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  Speaker 8: We already bear a lot of ducks.
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  Speaker 19: Is the changing world that we live in.
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  Speaker 20: The verdict still out.
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  Speaker 3: The verdict might be out in the ABC canteen, but
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  Speaker 3: I think is pretty clear in the real world. Importantly,
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  Speaker 3: this budget and the response has forced the debate in
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  Speaker 3: this country onto the central issues that will determine our
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  Speaker 3: nation's future. It's become a debate of big government versus
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  Speaker 3: small government, of high taxes versus low taxes, and personal
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  Speaker 3: aspiration versus the politics of envy. Those are exactly the
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  Speaker 3: choices Australian needs to make, and voters are smart enough
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  Speaker 3: to make the right choice so long as the coalition
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  Speaker 3: parties and others on the right are prepared to stand
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  Speaker 3: strongly on the right side of the arguments.
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  Speaker 1: The National Immann's Council has.
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  Speaker 3: Released its submission to the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism
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  Speaker 3: and Social Cohesion. This is the peak Muslim body representing
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  Speaker 3: responding to the Royal Commission into the Bondai terror massacre
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  Speaker 3: and the circumstances leading.
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  Speaker 19: Up to it.
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  Speaker 3: This was Australia's worst alleged terrorist attack, and police say
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  Speaker 3: it was motivated by Islamist extremist ideology. The Royal Commission
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  Speaker 3: should have Islamist extremism in its name, as well as
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  Speaker 3: the broader term of anti Semitism. But then we have
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  Speaker 3: a Prime Minister who can't even bring himself to mention
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  Speaker 3: the term Islamist extremism or radical Islam, even though our
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  Speaker 3: security agencies have identified it as our most serious domestic
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  Speaker 3: security threat for more than two decades. My point about
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  Speaker 3: this submission by the Ymam's Council is that it ducks
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  Speaker 3: this crucial issue of Islamist extremism entirely, well almost entirely now,
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  Speaker 3: just before I go on, what I'm about to discuss
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  Speaker 3: is something very few others in the public debate will
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  Speaker 3: ever raise. Too many people run away from this issue,
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  Speaker 3: no matter how important it is to the country. They're frightened,
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  Speaker 3: They're scared of being labeled Islamophobic, They're scared of the repercussions,
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  Speaker 3: even though this is one of the most crucial issues
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  Speaker 3: facing this country. But I've got a duty, a moral
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  Speaker 3: and ethical duty to you, and to our national debate
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  Speaker 3: and to all that I stand for, not to duck
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  Speaker 3: these issues.
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  Speaker 1: And it should go without.
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  Speaker 3: Saying, but I need to make it clear that I
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  Speaker 3: bear no ill will to the Muslim community that have
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  Speaker 3: been great contributors to this country for most of its
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  Speaker 3: modern existence. I want them to continue to be as
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  Speaker 3: successful and to be embraced in this country as Catholics
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  Speaker 3: and Protestants and Jews, Hindus, Atheists and every other religious
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  Speaker 3: and cultural group.
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  Speaker 1: But for that to happen, one.
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  Speaker 3: Thing we need to do is all work together to
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  Speaker 3: combat Islamist extremism. And that's why this submission was so disappointing.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty one pages, it offers nothing to tackle the
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  Speaker 3: problem of Islamist extremism. In other words, it ducts the
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  Speaker 3: most important aspect of the Bondai massacre and therefore the
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  Speaker 3: most crucial point of the Royal Commission. There are less
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  Speaker 3: than a dozen mentions of extremism in the submission, and
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  Speaker 3: none of them cut it. They include simple references to
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  Speaker 3: the terms of resferance countering the spread of ideologically motivated extremism.
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  Speaker 3: See what I mean When the government avoids mentioning the
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  Speaker 3: threat whose name it dares not speak, it means everybody
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  Speaker 3: else can hide from the same challenging reality of Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 3: There is a reference to anti Muslim extremism in this submission,
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  Speaker 3: such as symbols and graffiti at mosques, and there are
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  Speaker 3: defensive references like this referring to public commentary and narratives
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  Speaker 3: linking the crimes of individuals to broad concepts. It says
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  Speaker 3: of radical Islam and extremist Islam, and it says this
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  Speaker 3: creates the impression that the faith of Islam itself is
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  Speaker 3: responsible for the actions of a small number of people.
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  Speaker 3: And then there is reference to what it says is
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  Speaker 3: unfairness in the public debate and how that can feed
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  Speaker 3: into the drivers compelling some unjustifiably into extremist ideas. It
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  Speaker 3: suggests we get extremism because of unfairness to Muslims. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: the only references in this document to Muslims being radicalized
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  Speaker 3: is in response to criticism from non Muslims. This is
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  Speaker 3: typical of the victim mentality we hear all too often
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  Speaker 3: on these issues. What we need is the Muslim communities
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  Speaker 3: and their leaders to enjoin the fight publicly and privately
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  Speaker 3: against the scourge of radical Islam, against Islamist extremism. Without extremism,
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  Speaker 3: all those other issues or complaints and suggestions of discrimination
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  Speaker 3: would of course fall away combating Islamist extremism is even
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  Speaker 3: more important for Muslim communit of these than the rest
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  Speaker 3: of us. Instead of addressing those issues, this submission blames
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  Speaker 3: radicalization on non Muslims and argues for the right of
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  Speaker 3: people to criticize Israel and Zionism without being labeled anti Semitic.
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  Speaker 1: None of this, in my.
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  Speaker 19: View, is helpful.
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  Speaker 3: Still, who could blame the National Imam's Council, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we have a national government determined to avoid
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  Speaker 3: publicly confronting the threat of Islamist extremism, So why should
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  Speaker 3: Muslim groups? Why shouldn't they just follow the Prime Minister's lead?
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  Speaker 3: Just on the Royal Commission, I want to mention the
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  Speaker 3: media's role in creating the climate in which anti Semitism
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  Speaker 3: has been allowed to flourish. The media in this country
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  Speaker 3: and in other Western liberal democracies, has spread falsehoods about
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  Speaker 3: the Middle East conflict that have demonized Israel and fueled
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  Speaker 3: the hate pushed by Islamist extremists and other eddie Semites. Disgracefully,
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  Speaker 3: our own national broadcaster, the publicly funded ABC, which is
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be a force for good, a force for
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  Speaker 3: social cohesion, and Australian values.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's been one of the worst offenders. As you know.
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  Speaker 3: This is something that I've highlighted on this program time
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  Speaker 3: and again for two and a half years.
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  Speaker 1: Is a sample.
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  Speaker 3: Not only has the ABC repeatedly misled the public with
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  Speaker 3: false claims that Israel bombed the Alali Hospital, false claims
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  Speaker 3: it targeted aid workers, and the deceptive images proffered last
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  Speaker 3: week as proof of starvation, its reporter yesterday sounded like
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  Speaker 3: he was making the protesters' arguments rather than just reporting
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  Speaker 3: on their march.
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  Speaker 21: Their message is the loudest it's ever been. They are
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  Speaker 21: deeply concerned about the level of human suffering taking place
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  Speaker 21: in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted to stop and.
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  Speaker 21: They're calling on the Australian government to act.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let them speak mate, You're not there to make
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  Speaker 3: their arguments. We're in a bad place, aren't we. The
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  Speaker 3: facts don't seem to matter, Only the anti Israel narrative matters. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's been an obvious anti Israel bias, as we've heard
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  Speaker 3: on this program from a former ABC director, and far
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  Speaker 3: too often the ABC has run blatantly false reports, many
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  Speaker 3: of which it has had to correct. Now invariably, these
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  Speaker 3: mistakes have demonized Israel, not Hamas or other terrorist groups,
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  Speaker 3: and the corrections have always come after the damage was done.
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  Speaker 3: All this must be considered by the Royal Commission into
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  Speaker 3: Anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 1: The ABC has.
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  Speaker 3: Even denied the role of Islamist extremism in the Bondai attack.
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  Speaker 8: These two men were got nothing to do with religion.
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  Speaker 8: These two men were got nothing to do with religion.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing to do with religion.
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  Speaker 3: Still, when the Albanezer government won't address the issue of
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  Speaker 3: islamis extremism and it's also demonized Israel and repeated false
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  Speaker 3: assertions about the Middle East, were entitled to be worried
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  Speaker 3: that the Royal Commission will miss this stuff. We have
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  Speaker 3: to make sure this doesn't happen. There is no way
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  Speaker 3: you can consider the rise of anti Israel, hatred and
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  Speaker 3: anti Jew sentiment in this country without looking at the
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  Speaker 3: misinformation and lies told about Israel in the media and
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  Speaker 3: the propaganda from Hummas amplified by the media, especially by
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  Speaker 3: the ABC. It's created the climate in which anti Semitism
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  Speaker 3: and Islam's extremism has been activated. I wrote about these
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  Speaker 3: issues for The Australian last weekend, quoting from a detailed
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  Speaker 3: submission to the Royal Commission compiled by anonymous authors that
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  Speaker 3: I've been in touch with. Their submission is full of
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  Speaker 3: factual examples and they summarize the ABC's impact in this way.
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  Speaker 3: The sheer scale of the journalistic failures and demonstrated bias
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  Speaker 3: as the journalistic failures on the Gaza war always went
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  Speaker 3: one way, namely against Israel, contributed directly to radicalization in
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  Speaker 3: society and intensified militant anti Semitism across Australia.
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  Speaker 1: On this there can be no doubt and if.
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  Speaker 3: This Royal Commission is to do any good, it must
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  Speaker 3: examine the media's role in misinforming the public Israel. Jews
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  Speaker 3: and their supporters have been smeared with egregiously wrong claims
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  Speaker 3: about murdering innocence, starving children, and even absurdly genocide. The
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  Speaker 3: good news is that a number of people have been
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  Speaker 3: alerted have now alerted me to even more submissions pointing
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  Speaker 3: to these issues, detailing examples. So the Inquiry simply cannot
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  Speaker 3: ignore this ad It'll need to call witnesses to discuss
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  Speaker 3: the media's role. The Royal Commission should also call representatives
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  Speaker 3: of the ABC itself to explain its bias and it's
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  Speaker 3: damaging reporting and commentary. Let's go to Queensland now and
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  Speaker 3: catch up with Pauline Hanson, the One Nation leader joining
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  Speaker 3: us live. Good to talk to you again, Pauline. I've
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  Speaker 3: got to ask you off the top. There there are
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  Speaker 3: reports that you might be moving to the coast and
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  Speaker 3: running in the seat of Capricornia. Can you confirm that
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  Speaker 3: or rule it out?
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  Speaker 6: No, I'm not going to confirm and I'm not ruling
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  Speaker 6: out anything, Chris. As I said to you, I'm contemplating
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  Speaker 6: standing for a Lower House seat and I haven't made
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  Speaker 6: that determination as yet, and I'm not going to say
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  Speaker 6: what I'm doing at this stage, so we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: Would you, just outside the election, would you contemplate moving
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  Speaker 3: away from that lovely part of the world we're speaking
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  Speaker 3: to you in now, though.
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  Speaker 6: It's going to be a hard decision to make with
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  Speaker 6: that one, Chris, but I have to look at where
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  Speaker 6: do I want to take the party. I've made it
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  Speaker 6: quite clear I want One Nation to be government and
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  Speaker 6: I will do what I need to do for us
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  Speaker 6: to achieve that aim. Because I am determined to get
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  Speaker 6: rid of the Labor Greens Teal.
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  Speaker 3: Government well, if you're serious about being a party of government,
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  Speaker 3: then you have to go to the lower House, right,
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  Speaker 3: you have to take that risk and go to the
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  Speaker 3: lower House because you're going to sit back and watch,
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  Speaker 3: you know, David Farley or Barnaby Joyce be Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: and you can just guide them like a puppetmeister from
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  Speaker 3: the Senate.
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  Speaker 6: Well, Chris, you remember there was John Gordon who was
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  Speaker 6: Prime Minister from the Senate for three months. And please
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  Speaker 6: correct me if you're wrong. Does the Constitution state that
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  Speaker 6: you have to be a prime minister in the lower House?
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  Speaker 6: It doesn't, So anyway, that's something to look at as well.
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  Speaker 3: Well he got the leadership and then quickly shift down there.
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  Speaker 3: But you and I wouldn't want to risk that, would Jim.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: What I'm saying is the Constitution doesn't specify that she
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  Speaker 6: must be in the lower House to be Prime Minister
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  Speaker 6: of the country. So it's never been challenged really beforehand.
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  Speaker 6: Only John Gorton did take on the prime ministership and
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  Speaker 6: then he moved from the Upper House to the lower House.
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  Speaker 6: But Chris, like I said, I'm not ruling anything in
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  Speaker 6: or out at this stage. We've got a long way
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  Speaker 6: to go yet, and I've got a Victorian state election
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  Speaker 6: plus a new South Wales date election to go as well,
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: so everything's on the.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Cards, all right.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Well, speaking about people leading parties from the Upper House,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: let's go to South Australia where Corey Bernardi has made
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: his maiden speech in the Upper House, where he leads
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: your three candidates there and four in the three members
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: there and four members in the Lower House.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Here's a little bit of what he had to say.
• 20:52
  Speaker 22: But let me begin by welcoming you all to the
• 20:55
  Speaker 22: land of my ancestors, and by recognizing the leaders past,
• 20:59
  Speaker 22: present and merging that have all played a role in
• 21:02
  Speaker 22: building our great state and nation. Their stories are all
• 21:06
  Speaker 22: very different, but without them, none of this would be
• 21:09
  Speaker 22: possible for me.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: That was a bit of a tongue in cheek Welcome
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: to country, wasn't it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I think it was?
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: But I really liked it. First time I've heard it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: I haven't a chance to listen to his speech at all,
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: so that was a surprise to me to listen to it,
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: and I thought, go.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Cory Cory, all right, well, his ancestors.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I know there's an Italian background and his dad was
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: very successful Italian. I think he was a migrant, but
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know how far back the rest of his
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: family goes. I'll show you some more of his made
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: the speech. Here is he talking about the issues of
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: gender and children.
• 21:46
  Speaker 22: Media is silent? Well, the government allows doctors to mutilate
• 21:49
  Speaker 22: children in the name of gender affirming care. To me,
• 21:53
  Speaker 22: it's sheer madness that can be counted with a common
• 21:55
  Speaker 22: sense analogy.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's always been very clear cut on some of
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: these issues. Obviously going to take them up with a
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: gusto in South Australia.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: Well good on him, because I've said exactly the same
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: on the Flora Parlim and so it's Malcolm Robertson and
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: my other senators, so we're all on the same page.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: That's what I love about one Nation.
• 22:14
  Speaker 19: We don't hold back.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: We say what the majority of the public are actually thinking,
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: but we've got the guts to actually say it. So
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: I got the right person to represent South Australia for
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: one Nation.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I tell you what, many many years ago, many decades ago,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I was a young reporter and covered the South Australian
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Upper House where it was very very hard to stay awake.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a lot more interesting
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: with Corey Bernardi up there, it'll be Carlos Pombero.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Well exactly now.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: Carlos Plombero was giving his main speech tomorrow. Listen for his.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Well, keep an eye on those.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: They're available on the South Australian Parliamentary website for those
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: who might be interested.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Let's go to this exchange on SBS last night. Were
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: were they talking about the impact of one nation.
• 23:00
  Speaker 17: Your family came to Australia about forteen years ago from Fiji.
• 23:04
  Speaker 17: What do you think about one nation?
• 23:06
  Speaker 15: I reckon, she's fantastic. To be honest with you, someone
• 23:08
  Speaker 15: who loves their own country so much. That's not racist.
• 23:12
  Speaker 15: You have to have pride in your country. And we
• 23:14
  Speaker 15: came from Fiji as well, and we come to this
• 23:16
  Speaker 15: best country that we call home.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 23:18
  Speaker 15: I called myself Australia and called myself Fijian or Indian.
• 23:20
  Speaker 15: I've put a Australian flag pole in my front yard.
• 23:23
  Speaker 15: And you come to this country, embrace the Australian way
• 23:26
  Speaker 15: of living or you know what, you stay where you are.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: So that was the good news for pauling in One Nation.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: But then there was this ray as.
• 23:35
  Speaker 15: A Muslim woman, how do you feel about the rise
• 23:37
  Speaker 15: in one nation's popularity.
• 23:39
  Speaker 20: I think that the rise of one nation's popularity is
• 23:43
  Speaker 20: also proportionate to the rise of Islamophobia in the Australian context.
• 23:48
  Speaker 20: But I'd also go further and acknowledge that Islamophobia and
• 23:54
  Speaker 20: institutionalized Islamophobia has been a problem in Australia.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: For Deck hates some good and bad there.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: For you, Pauline, how do you plead to this charge
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: of inflaming Islamophobia.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: I think it's absolutely rubbish because they've been pushing their
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: own agenda in Australia and if you question it, we
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: questioned sharia law or halal or anything else, you're Islamic
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: berbick which this is happening all around the world if
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: you read up and understand this had happened in Britain,
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: it's happening in Canada, and it's happened in Denmark, Germany,
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: France and all the rest of it. So you can't
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: question anything. Chris, you summed it up in your own
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: opening statements that you made about what's happening with the
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Royal Commission into Anti Semitism, that you can't question anything
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: because they'll throw back the tag as they did to
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: me for many years, calling me a racist, which wasn't
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: the case. So don't be held back in your views
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: or have an opinion or having to say because they
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: want to throw tags at you. If we don't question
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: this and debate the issue, haven't help us as a
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: country where we are headed. And I want to think
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: that Australian who is proud of being on strand, that's
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: what I've said. You'd be surprised the number of migrants
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: out there who do fully support me and are proud
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: to be in this country. And I thank you for
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: your comments. But the media another, those individuals with their
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: own agenda will constantly try and pull me down and
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: not interested in what the new migrants, all those have
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: been here for many years want to embrace this country,
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: embrace what I stand for as the fact is we
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: are all the strands under one law and one flag.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Pauline, thanks again for joining us from Scenic rem enjoy
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: that area before you move to the coast, he.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Cheers Chriz Pauline Hanson.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: The one nation she might have to move house is
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: she's going to contest a lower House seat. Will stay
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: tuned on that one. Now the opposition has vowed to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: overhaul sex discrimination laws. As we've mentioned before, after that
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: landmark ruling in court last Friday involving transgender woman Roxan Tickle,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: who sued the female o only social media app Giggle
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: for discrimination, here's a recap from our own Julia Bradley.
• 26:06
  Speaker 18: The full bench of the Federal Court finding Miss Tickle
• 26:09
  Speaker 18: was directly discriminated against when she was kicked off the
• 26:13
  Speaker 18: platform in twenty twenty one after having already been on
• 26:16
  Speaker 18: it for several months. The ruling follows a landmark twenty
• 26:20
  Speaker 18: twenty four judgment that ruled in Miss Tickle's favor. At
• 26:23
  Speaker 18: the time, it was the first gender identity discrimination case
• 26:27
  Speaker 18: in Australia to reach the Federal Court, following changes to
• 26:31
  Speaker 18: the Sex Discrimination Act in twenty thirteen that broadened the
• 26:35
  Speaker 18: definition to include gender identity. The court dismissing an appeal
• 26:40
  Speaker 18: brought by the UPS founder Sal Grover, who believes a
• 26:43
  Speaker 18: woman should be defined based on biology.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Let's welcome back to the program, Rachel Wong, who's the
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: CEO of Women's Forum Australia.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again. Rachel.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Just give us your reaction to this decision about how
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: biology seems to be overruled.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Good evening, Chris, Like I've already said, I was pretty
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: shocked by this decision. I mean, on the one hand,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: it's not shocking because we know that gender ideology has
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: completely pervaded our country and our institutions. But for there
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: to have been an appeal and for them to have
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: come down again on the side of ideology and not
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: biological reality was quite confronting.
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: It's very clear from.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: The decision that women and girls do not have secure
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: legal protections to female only spaces, services and sports without
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: thread of litigation, and it's once again women and girls
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: being told that men's feelings are more important than their
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: safety and their boundaries.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: There are strong signs of a fight back though. The
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: New South Wales Labor from Mere Chris Men said yesterday
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what whether or not your gender is reassigned.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: If you're biologically male, you'll stay in a male prison.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Not be sent to a women's prison.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: And of course the Federal Coalition under Angus Taylor has
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: said we will define biological sex in the Act male
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: or female the sex you are born, and we will
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: protect single sex spaces across Australian life. Now it's years
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: before they could form a government, much less get all
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: that stuff through parliament.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: But that's a pretty clear undertaking, isn't it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Look there's been some great political momentum over the past week,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: but there's a couple of things there. Chrismand's comments yesterday
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the Premier of New South Wales were interesting because he
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: was basically saying that he thinks that biological differences should
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: be upheld in law and that he wouldn't be making
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: any changes to protections for prisons and sports. Well, the
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: reality is his government helped usher in sex self id
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: laws just the other year, which have stripped women and
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: girls of protections in those very places, and we already
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: have men playing women's sports in New South Wales. We've
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: already had men beinhals in women's prisons. So either he
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't understand his own government slaws and policies, or he's
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: hoping that the public won't notice the contradiction in relation
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: to the whole Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: So I think sport is one of those areas where
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: this you know, where the rubber really hits the road, right,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: where so.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Many people are affected.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: We've had a couple of cases in New South Wales
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: and around the country where women are playing against biological
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: men in soccer. Are now reports of in a women's
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: AFL competition where women are playing against transgender women biological men.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Now it's obviously unfair, it's obviously an infringement upon the
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: rights of girls and.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Women one hundred percent. Like you say, there have been
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: multiple stories now if that's happening, multiple instance is of
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: females complaining and in this later story that came up
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: this week with the AFL, basically the clubs can't do
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: anything because the policy says that all you have to
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: do is self identify as a woman and you're allowed
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to play in the female competition. You know this is
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: this is another one of multiple stories now in the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: state in New South Wales, and I have also been
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: contacted now about multiple injuries that have happened both in
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: New South Wales and in other states in AFL in
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: other sports where women are being forced to play against
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: biological males, including things like concussions, which have meant that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: women have not been able to go back to work,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: have been to go out to university. It's just an
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: absolutely disgraceful situation and you would have thought once these
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: injuries started to happen, and not that we should have
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: had to have waited for those, but the sporting bodies
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: would have woken up.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: It is madness. It is literally madness, and we'll keep
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: on it. They've got to change their ways so they
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: don't need to wait for the laws to change. They
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: can just change their practice as most of these sporting organizations.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Rachel.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I appreciate Rachel Wong there from Women's Forum Australia. We're
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: going to get to a break.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: On the other side.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Tom Switzer will join me. We'll talk about what's going
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: to happen in Iran next. I'm going to go to
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: the Global Affairs at the moment and we'll start off
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: on what's going to happen in Iran because Donald Trump
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: is still keeping everybody in the world waiting, not to
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: mention the Iranians of course, waiting to see what he's
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: going to do next.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from the Donald.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: We were going to be striking very It would have
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: been happening right now.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all done.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: The motus, the ships are all loaded, they're loaded at
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: the brim and we're all set to show.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: They knew I was getting ready to attack. I didn't
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: tell them.
• 31:05
  Speaker 19: I'd never tell anybody one contact, I.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Never tell anybody went. But they knew that we were
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: very close. I would say we were.
• 31:12
  Speaker 14: I was an hour away from making the decision to go.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Today, let's bring in Tom Switzer, columnists with the Australian.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: There.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: He is talking about his new ballroom there at their
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: White House, but focusing mainly on around we're waiting yet again.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Of course they would be ready to strike.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: The American military have been there for weeks with their
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: fingers hovering.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Over the buttons.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: But is it a good sign that President Trump keeps
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: delaying a new military assault.
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: I think it's a sign Chris that he's well and
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: truly trapped. If he decides to escalate and the US
• 31:47
  Speaker 11: starts bombing Iranian civilian infrastructure and power plants, that will
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: surely ignite retaliation by the Iranians, and they'll hit at
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: America's soon e golf allies, and that'll only just increase
• 31:59
  Speaker 11: the prospects of a re visional war and an economic shock,
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: possibly a global recession. So it's in Trump's interest to
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: actually shut it down.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: But in the meantime, the blockades in place Surely the
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Iranian economy is being strangled.
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: It is being strangled. But as we've discussed before, the
• 32:13
  Speaker 11: Iranians recognized all the regime at least recognizes it's facing
• 32:17
  Speaker 11: an existential threat from the Americans and the Uranians, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: they'll go to great links to fight on It's.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: The key here is that processed uranium. Then obviously the
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Americans don't know where it is or it's very deeply
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: enough for them not to be able to bomb it,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: because if you take that out, then that central aim
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: of neutralizing their nuclear aspirations is done.
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: Look, the Americans need that uranium if they want to
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: commit have a successful mission. The problem is is that
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: the United States is in no mood to escalate the
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: conflict for the reasons I mentioned, and that means that
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: Trump will need to do a deal with the Iranians
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: that somehow preserves American credibility and procedure. That's going to
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: be a very difficult thing to do because the Iranians
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: have more leverage than Trump and Benjamin Nanna who envisioned
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: when they ordered the air strikes on February twenty eight.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: See, I tend to agree with that assessment, except I'd
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: flip it around. The Iranians need to do a deal
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: with Trump, don't they. They can't go on like.
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: Well, they want to deal in the sense that they
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: want reparations and they want there you're not.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Going to get How do you square that circle?
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: See, this is the thing. They've got fundamentally incompatible goals.
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: It's a bit like the Ukrainians and the Russians. How
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: do you square these circles? So I think we're going
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: to have a frozen conflict. But in the meantime, the
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: straight of hor moves looks likely to be closed, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: that is a bad thing for the world economy.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: It sure is. Let's go to something to purpose up there.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Michelle Obama is in Australia sharing the PILs of wisdom.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Here's some of the Channel nine's coverage.
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: Arousing reception for the former First Lady Michelle Obama, proving
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: why she is regarded as one of the most influential voices.
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: That was just inspiring, absolutely inspiring, worth every penny.
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: Nothing was off the table in the almost two hours
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: sit down, from politics to her favorite cuisine, Italian.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I love paston. Who doesn't.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: It's been three years since Michelle was in Australia for
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: her husband speaking to.
• 34:26
  Speaker 18: Her, I'd go back, I would you go through it again?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Why do they love her so much? Tom Well?
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: Michelle Obama's tapped a market of affluent, metropolitan sophisticates from Melbourne.
• 34:39
  Speaker 19: But I don't think that.
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: She's in Sydney tonight. I think, yeah, I don't think
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: that's Middle Australia or Middle America.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: I mean, she taps those sentiments, but and she also
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: says there's a hole in America. What she's saying is
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: she doesn't like the Trump administration.
• 34:53
  Speaker 19: She's not alone in that.
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: But remember, America has enormous demonstrated capacity for change and renewal.
• 34:58
  Speaker 19: It's all well and good for her.
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: Speak down, talk down America, but America has shown time
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: and again it has an amazing ability to bounce back
• 35:05
  Speaker 11: from setbacks.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: She's flogging a book, she's telling tickets to these events
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: a sort of nine hundred bucks a pop. She's got
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: ABC personality's hosting her. Really yeah, yeah, yeah, Annabel crab
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: and really some of your former colleagues doing their objective
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: political analysis.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: But just make a lot of dog good.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I would all do that if we could. But is
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: she a serious political player? She keeps rolling it out,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: But the Democrats are so desperate could they try to
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: get her?
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: To find it very hard to believe that she can
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: win over a lot of those working class constituencies that
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: have been strongholds for the Democrat Party in the past.
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: These are constituencies that have been voting for Donald Trump.
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: I don't think she can resonate with him.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: I just want to go to Bill Burr, the American
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: stand up comedian, because he's got a good take on
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Michelle Barber's speaking to us.
• 35:54
  Speaker 23: Michelle Obama's doing an arena tour.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: That's another thing going on. I'm going to say that again.
• 36:01
  Speaker 23: Michelle Obama is doing an arena tour. She's not playing
• 36:06
  Speaker 23: comedy clubs, She's doing arenas. When did first ladies start
• 36:12
  Speaker 23: acting like they got elected?
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: When did first ladies start acting like they got elected?
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: He has a point. Tom Switzer will leave you to.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Rush off and see Michelle Obama with Lee Sales.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: And they're working on with the rest of the day.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Start coming up after the break, We're going to check
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: in on Keith Starma. He's clinging to power in the UK.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: We'll cross line to Isthercracker. Let's go to London now
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: and catch up with writer and broadcaster Esther Krakhu.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Esther, good to talk to you again.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Give me a sense of what's going on with Keith
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Starma because I have my picture, this picture in my
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: head of him sort of barricaded in number ten Downing
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Street and you're not daring to move.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: But is he.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Actually getting getting out and about and doing his normal
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: job while he tries to stay in it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 24: Well, he's trying to, but he's a bit like a
• 37:04
  Speaker 24: squatter and a very insistent one that can't be got
• 37:06
  Speaker 24: out with the crowbar, which is basically what we're seeing
• 37:10
  Speaker 24: right now. Unfortunately for Kirstarmer, he seems to think that
• 37:14
  Speaker 24: despite the loss of all of his credibility, he can
• 37:15
  Speaker 24: still get on with the job of the day. So
• 37:17
  Speaker 24: the latest fixation is getting this Brexit reset deal over
• 37:21
  Speaker 24: the line, because he thought that the Brexit deal was
• 37:23
  Speaker 24: negotiated badly and it's negatively impacted Britain and our trading
• 37:28
  Speaker 24: relationship with the European Union. The problem he has is
• 37:31
  Speaker 24: twofold one. He could negotiate his way out of the
• 37:33
  Speaker 24: paper bag. His whole stopping the boat's slogan has completely
• 37:38
  Speaker 24: black fired on him. In fact, the boats are doing
• 37:40
  Speaker 24: better than ever. I feel like the gangs who are
• 37:42
  Speaker 24: trafficking human beings across the Channel should pay him a
• 37:45
  Speaker 24: cut because the latest estimate is that many of these
• 37:48
  Speaker 24: gangs are taking in a revenue of at least a
• 37:51
  Speaker 24: few million a month, so they seem to be doing
• 37:54
  Speaker 24: just fine. And the second problem is if you are
• 37:56
  Speaker 24: the EU and you're watching the dumpster fire that is
• 37:58
  Speaker 24: British politics at the woment, you don't really have an
• 38:00
  Speaker 24: incentive to offer.
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: A good deal or even push through a deal.
• 38:04
  Speaker 24: You're more likely to want to wait and get as
• 38:06
  Speaker 24: many concessions as Brussels is likely to do as you
• 38:09
  Speaker 24: possibly can.
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: Bearing in mind the EU is this giant blob.
• 38:12
  Speaker 24: Of basically autocrats and people that are professional time wasters.
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: So none of this bodes.
• 38:19
  Speaker 24: Well for kios Stammer, especially because the two sort of
• 38:23
  Speaker 24: leading contenders for a leadership race have made it clear,
• 38:26
  Speaker 24: either explicitly now or certainly in the past, that they
• 38:28
  Speaker 24: would like to rejoin the EU. So again, what is
• 38:31
  Speaker 24: the incentive for the EU to offer Britain a favorable deal?
• 38:35
  Speaker 24: It is completely baffling that this is the state of affairs.
• 38:37
  Speaker 24: But that's where we are at the moment.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the obvious movie is to sit back and waite
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: and see what happens. Let's have a look at what
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Keios Stamer has been saying about his prospects in the job.
• 38:47
  Speaker 25: I've said, I don't know how many times that I'm
• 38:49
  Speaker 25: not going to walk away. I feel very strongly that
• 38:53
  Speaker 25: I must serve the people who go to be into office.
• 38:56
  Speaker 25: Do I recognize that we've got to turn things around
• 38:58
  Speaker 25: over that after those election results? That's of course I
• 39:01
  Speaker 25: I do want to fight the next election.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, er, I think maybe instead of ten Downing Street,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: he should move into the Tower of London.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: It might be easier to defend his position.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: But his real strength at the moment is there's no
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: real obvious successor that dozens of or scores of Labor
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: politicians are rallying around.
• 39:24
  Speaker 24: Is that right, Yes, that's the unfortunate thing. The talent
• 39:28
  Speaker 24: pool in labor is very shorty. I mean, we have
• 39:31
  Speaker 24: the likes of David Lammy as our deputy Prime minister,
• 39:33
  Speaker 24: which should tell you about the sorry state of affairs,
• 39:35
  Speaker 24: and it looks like Labour's recruiting department is run by
• 39:37
  Speaker 24: Ronald McDonald. Because you have someone like Andy Burnham, the
• 39:41
  Speaker 24: supposed King in the North. He's supposed to be our
• 39:43
  Speaker 24: version of a more competent John Snow who has twice
• 39:46
  Speaker 24: already been rejected as Labor leader. He lost to Jeremy Corbyn,
• 39:49
  Speaker 24: for the love of God. But somehow this is who
• 39:52
  Speaker 24: labor hopefuls are putting their hopes on. He's basically had
• 39:55
  Speaker 24: a sitting Labor and p jettison from his seat and
• 39:58
  Speaker 24: now he's trying. He's buying for make And then you
• 40:01
  Speaker 24: have Worst Streeting whose Health secretary, who again apparently success
• 40:04
  Speaker 24: and competence aren't requirements to do anything in this country
• 40:08
  Speaker 24: anymore to be involved in politics because waiting lists are
• 40:11
  Speaker 24: still high. They about seven million people on the waiting list.
• 40:14
  Speaker 24: He's braging that some people that a few hundred thousand
• 40:16
  Speaker 24: have been removed off the waiting list. Well, they might
• 40:18
  Speaker 24: have died waiting for treatment. So again I don't really
• 40:21
  Speaker 24: understand what criteria these people are going on to think
• 40:24
  Speaker 24: that they somehow better suited to run the country.
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: And the biggest elephant.
• 40:28
  Speaker 24: In the room is the fact that they're not offering
• 40:30
  Speaker 24: anything different Basically they're saying we are more charismatic than
• 40:35
  Speaker 24: the plank of wood currently squatting in Downing Street, which
• 40:37
  Speaker 24: is not a great seal to the British people.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Surprisingly, no, I'll tell you what one story that to
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: me underscores how misguided the government is. There is these
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: reports that inflation is a problem, as it is everywhere
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: including Australia. But in order to combat inflation, Treasury are
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: talking about fixing prices, locking in prices of the staples
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: like bread and milk and egg But somehow tex payers
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: subsidizing the supermarkets for keeping a price cap on them.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I mean this is this is like a Soviet or
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: a Russia.
• 41:10
  Speaker 24: Yes, this is what happens when your Chancellor's CV is
• 41:13
  Speaker 24: a bit of a mystery to even the people in
• 41:15
  Speaker 24: the Treasury. But price fixing is the new game of
• 41:18
  Speaker 24: the day. The only thing that you know, the only
• 41:21
  Speaker 24: kind of sticking that plan is the actual that if
• 41:23
  Speaker 24: you fix prices on bread and dairy and eggs, that
• 41:27
  Speaker 24: prices on other goods won't increase, which is something that
• 41:30
  Speaker 24: the government still hasn't seemed to work around.
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: Their excuse is that the war.
• 41:33
  Speaker 24: In Iran is going to push up food prices potentially
• 41:35
  Speaker 24: by seven percent by the end of the year. But
• 41:38
  Speaker 24: what supermarkets are saying is, well, if you're incentive for
• 41:40
  Speaker 24: us to voluntarily fix our prices, which we will do,
• 41:43
  Speaker 24: but we could we could do, but we'll also.
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: Raise prices in other places.
• 41:47
  Speaker 24: So it's going to be like a couple of you know,
• 41:48
  Speaker 24: basically a pointless gesture is that you knew that you
• 41:51
  Speaker 24: could ease regulations on supermarkets, but you've chosen not to
• 41:55
  Speaker 24: except you're now desperate and you don't want the government
• 41:57
  Speaker 24: to be dealing with more of a headache, so you
• 41:59
  Speaker 24: are going to do what you should be doing, like
• 42:01
  Speaker 24: having pro business running policies and easing regulations on us.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating stuff.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Esther plenty to keep you busy
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: over there, Esther Cracker there live in London.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we'll have the Wednesday Wrangle with
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Deneka and Justin. We'll talk about former Prince Harry and
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Meghan Markel and penguins.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Would you believe.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Let's get into the Wednesday Wrangle with late debate co
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: hosts Anika to Georgia and Justin Smith. Righter broadcast a
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: matter about town in the wonderful city of Melbourne. I
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: want to get your thoughts on the budget. I know
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Danika will think it was a shocker of a budget.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Justin tell us why it's going to save the nation.
• 42:43
  Speaker 19: Gee, I wish I could.
• 42:45
  Speaker 26: It's it's been really interesting, hasn't it to watch the
• 42:49
  Speaker 26: way the government has handled the fallout to this, and
• 42:53
  Speaker 26: I would suggest that they're.
• 42:54
  Speaker 19: Not really winning the debate.
• 42:56
  Speaker 26: And you can see that they have the talking point
• 42:58
  Speaker 26: in front of them saying that they have one of
• 43:01
  Speaker 26: the words. They've changed their position, and it's a little
• 43:04
  Speaker 26: bit I was thinking about. It's a little bit like
• 43:06
  Speaker 26: it's a little bit like you've come home and found
• 43:08
  Speaker 26: your wife in bed with somebody else and she says, look,
• 43:10
  Speaker 26: I've changed my position on monogamy. Here it's still going
• 43:15
  Speaker 26: to hurt like hell because the language.
• 43:17
  Speaker 19: The language doesn't.
• 43:18
  Speaker 26: Really matter in a situation like this. It doesn't matter
• 43:21
  Speaker 26: what words you the facts do it. It doesn't change
• 43:24
  Speaker 26: the reality. And it's the way and even people I
• 43:28
  Speaker 26: think I said this a little bit last week. I
• 43:29
  Speaker 26: think even people who felt that it might have been
• 43:32
  Speaker 26: the right thing to do and a change needed to
• 43:34
  Speaker 26: be made. I still think they're looking at it saying, look,
• 43:36
  Speaker 26: this is just you don't do that.
• 43:39
  Speaker 19: What's the point of making a promise?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Changing very bad?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: The changing position thing, Dnika just just compounds the lie.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: It's another lie about why.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: You told the lie.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: And when it comes to that sort of changing position
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: that Justin was talking about, I think it was Johannis
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Leek who first, you know, with all he said, there's
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: the charmers Sutra.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Position.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: But Album Today has admitted that there's been a mixed
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: response to the budget understatement.
• 44:07
  Speaker 17: I mean, a mixed response is basically the nice way
• 44:10
  Speaker 17: of saying, Okay, it hasn't gone down very well, but
• 44:13
  Speaker 17: look we've just got to patch it up and make
• 44:14
  Speaker 17: sure it looks really good. I don't think that Labor
• 44:17
  Speaker 17: would at all be happy with the way that it
• 44:19
  Speaker 17: has gone down, because don't forget, Anthony Abneasy fancies himself
• 44:23
  Speaker 17: as the lark and the cool guy, the one that
• 44:25
  Speaker 17: goes to the Taylor Swift concerts, the dancer, the joker,
• 44:28
  Speaker 17: and it's actually that cohort that he's been trying desperately
• 44:31
  Speaker 17: to appeal to this younger generation through his intergenerational equity
• 44:36
  Speaker 17: spill that are actually turning on him and saying, you're
• 44:38
  Speaker 17: giving us a dad deal, Prime Minister here, you know,
• 44:41
  Speaker 17: and I think that that young people are waking up
• 44:44
  Speaker 17: to it and going, you know what, this isn't all
• 44:46
  Speaker 17: it's all cracked up to be. And don't forget Chris.
• 44:49
  Speaker 17: Memes reach young people. Memes are what actually draws people in. So, yeah,
• 44:55
  Speaker 17: they're looking at this going this guy's a laughing stock
• 44:57
  Speaker 17: and the butt of all jokes.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: They might be young, but they're not stupid.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Now, speaking about young people, would a young person like
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: you be into the sound of music?
• 45:05
  Speaker 17: It's actually my favorite movie real well.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: I hadn't seen it in Fall until earlier this year.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: So we've got a little treat for you. Let's do
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: a reprise now of Elbow and the Sound the Sound
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: of Elbow.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Really all the hills are with the sound of elbows.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Books with slogans that a call day.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: He smiles and waves while dudging questions about the cost
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: of living, housing crisis and immigration and sings like nothing
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: could go on.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Elbow's disapproval was on fifty four going to
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: fifty six.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 45:48
  Speaker 17: How do you solve a problem like Anthony that is
• 45:51
  Speaker 17: the question. I think they'll stick with Maria for that one.
• 45:54
  Speaker 19: You had seen that movie a few times, haven't you.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have.
• 45:57
  Speaker 17: It's actually legitimately my favorite movie. But this is what
• 46:00
  Speaker 17: I'm saying though, that people are laughing at him. And
• 46:04
  Speaker 17: when you start becoming the butt of all jokes, you
• 46:07
  Speaker 17: know that there's a problem. And we know that Anthony
• 46:09
  Speaker 17: Albanez he has a glass George. You remember a couple
• 46:11
  Speaker 17: of years ago he got upset when there were memes
• 46:14
  Speaker 17: about him and he wanted to try and shut it down.
• 46:16
  Speaker 17: So now he's going, no, no, look, it's all right,
• 46:18
  Speaker 17: thanks for making me look good. I reckon. Internally, he's
• 46:21
  Speaker 17: hating that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Christ's sure, He's sure is speaking about people laughing at politicians.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look at this bloke.
• 46:30
  Speaker 27: From the first of July this year, millions of Australians
• 46:32
  Speaker 27: will have the chance to get three hours of free
• 46:35
  Speaker 27: electricity in the middle of the day through our new
• 46:37
  Speaker 27: solar shaer offer.
• 46:38
  Speaker 19: Here's our work.
• 46:39
  Speaker 27: Because we have so much solar power in the middle
• 46:41
  Speaker 27: of the day, we're requiring energy companies to offer you
• 46:45
  Speaker 27: three hours of free electricity in the middle of the
• 46:47
  Speaker 27: day and have a think about your electricity is can
• 46:50
  Speaker 27: you move it to the middle of the day if
• 46:51
  Speaker 27: you work from home or are retired, or if you've
• 46:54
  Speaker 27: got a swimming pool pump you can schedule, or a
• 46:56
  Speaker 27: smart appliants like a dishwasher that you can schedule to
• 46:59
  Speaker 27: only work in the middle of the day. This is
• 47:01
  Speaker 27: just more proof that the sun is the best friend
• 47:03
  Speaker 27: Australia has when it comes to our energy needs.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Justin in the great State of New South Wales, eighty
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: five percent of energy yesterday was provided by Cole because.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: There wasn't much sun and there wasn't much wind.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: He's now trying to offload all the power in the
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: middle of the day because that's on a decent day.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: When they get too much electricity, they haven't got enough
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: on the rest of the day.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: It's a shambles, isn't it.
• 47:28
  Speaker 26: Well, look, I've got a few issues with trust here
• 47:30
  Speaker 26: at the moment, but that is the truth. Like if
• 47:33
  Speaker 26: they're actually going to deliver on that full deal, if
• 47:36
  Speaker 26: you do get.
• 47:37
  Speaker 19: But the problem is you're the problem with you, Chris Kenny.
• 47:41
  Speaker 26: I love you to bits, but you hate solar anything
• 47:44
  Speaker 26: that's got the sun to do with it, and hitting
• 47:46
  Speaker 26: tablets and trying to charge people just so you're just
• 47:52
  Speaker 26: going to get sold on this in any way shape.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: No, I don't want my taxes funding other people's solar
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: panels and batteries. Knock yourself out if you want to
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: pay for it. If it's so good, you'll pay for
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: it yourself. Stop taxing me to fulfill unworkable energy dreams.
• 48:07
  Speaker 26: Cole's going to run out one day, mate, one day
• 48:09
  Speaker 26: coal is going to run out.
• 48:11
  Speaker 19: And what are you going to say? Then?
• 48:12
  Speaker 26: While you have you and I a possible I'm going
• 48:13
  Speaker 26: to say, around for it. We're going to pass that
• 48:16
  Speaker 26: on to the next generation. People are going to say.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: People are going to say thank God for people like
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Chris Kenny and Chris Yulman arguing for nuclear power, which
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: will run as powers forever. Now I've got to get
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: onto another topic because I want to hear what Danika
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: has got to say about this. Look sometimes we mock
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: a former Prince Harry and his wife, but they really
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: are quite delightful people, as this little clip about their
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: anniversary gift shows.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, when Mama and Papa, when we.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: When we got engaged a party of Oliver our friends,
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: and we said Evan we were.
• 49:05
  Speaker 8: At Alible one and we were penguins. We were penguins
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: because they're.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Together for late.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Look please, penguins because of what fish breath place.
• 49:18
  Speaker 17: Look, Dear God, please make the charade stop. Please please.
• 49:22
  Speaker 17: Honestly I cannot handle any more. Mister and missus Grifter.
• 49:26
  Speaker 17: They make me sick. The two of them are disgusting
• 49:28
  Speaker 17: evening they want privacy, but though they actually really want
• 49:31
  Speaker 17: to share everything with the world.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Brass penguins. Come on, you want them to waddle off?
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: What exactly got on?
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: That's right?
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I can stop. Please? What do you reckon? Justin? Are
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: they going to place in your heart?
• 49:46
  Speaker 23: No?
• 49:46
  Speaker 26: I think they are the ugliest penguins I think I've
• 49:48
  Speaker 26: ever seen. I don't think I've seen with looking depiction
• 49:52
  Speaker 26: of penguins in my life.
• 49:53
  Speaker 17: To be frank, Wow, we agree on something I would
• 49:56
  Speaker 17: have thought.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Wow, I just don't so you would put up for
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: global consumption your own most personal little moment.
• 50:06
  Speaker 17: No exactly, no exactly, but don't forget they just Meghan
• 50:10
  Speaker 17: was in Switzerland this week saying no, there's children who
• 50:13
  Speaker 17: are being harmed online, but she trots out the kids
• 50:15
  Speaker 17: when it's convenient, when the brand needs a bit of
• 50:18
  Speaker 17: a pick me up, you can on Meghan for sure.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't don't think we saw them, but I wish
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: it was his older brother who sort of left the
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: royal family and we could get those two.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Was King and Queen.
• 50:27
  Speaker 17: Absolutely absolutely, because they are the most popular royals and
• 50:30
  Speaker 17: they're fantastic. They are They're fantastic, Justine, they really.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Are, Justin and Deanika, thanks so much for joining us,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: King Penguinngan.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Let's go to some of your feedback from what we
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: were talking about last night. When it comes to the
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: fallout from the budget, Lorraine says Labour's lies can.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Only go on for so long. Australia is waking up.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: That is certainly the case, and another viewer says labor
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: has been found out and Albo's lying is just so
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: obvious now and the people are waking up.
• 50:58
  Speaker 19: It's about four years is too late?
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Fair enough? And John says if it looks like.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: A tax grab, if it sounds like a tax grab,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: it probably is.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: A tax grab. Yeah, it's either a tax grab or
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: a brass penguin one or the other. Thanks for joining us.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter Kredlin