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Ohtani pitching pause, Vladdy reveals offer details, A's new prez shady past, Law Butler extension · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Because I'm going to say it until I'm blue in
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  Speaker 1: the face, until I actually see one of those big
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  Speaker 1: things trains come in and start lifting during their pylons
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  Speaker 1: going into the ground, I'm not gonna believe it.
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  Speaker 2: FT Spring Training Tour, which by the way, is in
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  Speaker 2: Arizona next week one o'clock live Eastern time, so we'll
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  Speaker 2: be having some breakfast with players out in the cat
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  Speaker 2: this league, but one more in Florida for now. AJ Todd, Father, AJ,
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  Speaker 2: you first, how is Race Camp?
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  Speaker 3: It's beautiful? They listen.
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  Speaker 1: We're inside today and I don't know if you got well,
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  Speaker 1: Scott yourself, But Todd, I don't know if you saw
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  Speaker 1: yesterday we were in the shade at Phillies Camp and
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  Speaker 1: it was sixty ish degrees and the wind was blowing,
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  Speaker 1: and I've never been that quote. At one point my
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  Speaker 1: teeth were chattering so hard that I had to get
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  Speaker 1: up and just stand in the sun because I was
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  Speaker 1: so cold. And so I am very thankful for the
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  Speaker 1: rays that we were inside, even though it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: easter today. But the vibe is high here at Race Camp.
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  Speaker 1: I must say the vibe is high. They're excited. They
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  Speaker 1: don't know how what's going to happen with the field,
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  Speaker 1: that Steinbrenner whole thing. But the people are excited here
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  Speaker 1: A rais.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's it's cold here. It's still we had to
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  Speaker 4: We had some good days, but now it's starting to
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  Speaker 4: get a little nippy back up in the Northeast in
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  Speaker 4: the forties, it feels like thirties. So anytime we're inside,
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  Speaker 4: it's a good thank Scotti.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, we'll definitely ask basically everyone about what
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be like to be playing in the
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  Speaker 2: Yankee spring training home. At least they got the Yankee
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  Speaker 2: spring training home. The Yanks do it right, okay, they
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  Speaker 2: know how to treat their ballplayer as well. They don't
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  Speaker 2: really cut costs on things to make sure that it
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  Speaker 2: is very luxurious in that camp. So the Rays might
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, do we have to go back.
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  Speaker 1: To the old We were there last week?
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  Speaker 3: Listen, we were there?
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  Speaker 1: Was it was last week when we were there? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: last week last Wednesday? I think we were there. And
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  Speaker 1: one of the big things is the MLB, so they
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  Speaker 1: have to cover up the the Yankees logos everywhere. Those
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  Speaker 1: logos are literally like in the to I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how they're.
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  Speaker 4: Going to cover some of these up.
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  Speaker 1: I mean everywhere you look there is like a Yankees
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  Speaker 1: and why so, I mean they have and from what
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  Speaker 1: I've been told, the race have seventy two hours from
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees last game till they're because they open against
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  Speaker 1: the Rockies at Steinberer Field to get them all covered up.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to be interesting to see how it
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  Speaker 1: plays out. But listen, the Ras are excited because they
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  Speaker 1: get a big league clubhouse in a spring training home.
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  Speaker 2: Also Todd five. I feel like that's the one thing
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  Speaker 2: that they'll actually say, no, you can leave that. If
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  Speaker 2: they've got Yankees logos in the urinals, they're like, that's cool,
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  Speaker 2: we'll piss on those.
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  Speaker 3: We're good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we'll take a doodo on that sign or something.
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  Speaker 2: Epic. All right, So before we get to all the conversations,
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  Speaker 2: let's charge the dan Man.
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  Speaker 4: Charge.
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  Speaker 2: This is the good stuff right here. We're always looking
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  Speaker 2: for transparency. Laddie Junior spoke to Enrique Rojas and Ernesto
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  Speaker 2: Herez to ESPN reporters about the details of the negotiators
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  Speaker 2: with the Blue Jays front office that didn't lead to
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  Speaker 2: a deal a long term extension, and he turned down
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  Speaker 2: those claims, refuted those claims about salary expectations that were
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  Speaker 2: comparable to Juan Soto's deal, which was fifteen years, a
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  Speaker 2: little seven hundred and sixty five million bucks. Quote from Vladdie,
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  Speaker 2: it's much less than Sodo. We're talking about many fewer
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  Speaker 2: millions than Sodo, more than one hundred million less. It
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  Speaker 2: was the same number of years as Sodo that they
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  Speaker 2: threw out there, but it did not reach six hundred million.
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  Speaker 2: The last number we gave them as a counter offer
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  Speaker 2: didn't reach six hundred I know the business. I lowered
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  Speaker 2: the salary demands a bit, but I also lowered the
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  Speaker 2: number of years I'm looking for fourteen. I would like fourteen, fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: even twenty if they give them to me. But doing
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  Speaker 2: it the right way. So we got some insight here.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think aj was fair? Because I keep
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  Speaker 2: harping back to the comment that pissed me off when
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  Speaker 2: Mark Shapiro, team president, said they went above his value.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's above his value?
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  Speaker 1: No, because he's the biggest name on the free agent
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  Speaker 1: class right at the end of this year, with his
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  Speaker 1: age and what he's done in his career. I think
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  Speaker 1: he wants to listen to the Players Association. Tony Clark
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  Speaker 1: was here and you know what they tell every player,
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  Speaker 1: get every dollar you can. And I think that Vlad
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  Speaker 1: was fair with this. He spread it out over long term.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't go to the SODO number. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that it's going to be. It might be a while
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  Speaker 1: before we see somebody hit the SODO number unless Lad.
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  Speaker 1: But to me, I think this was very fair and
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  Speaker 1: then to him for him to open up about it,
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  Speaker 1: because what happens a lot of times in these negotiations
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  Speaker 1: and Todd, I think you agree, especially with these huge
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  Speaker 1: free agents when they don't get signed and they leave
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  Speaker 1: the team is like, oh we tried, we tried, we tried,
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  Speaker 1: and you never really hear from the player side. So
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  Speaker 1: to hear Vlad be honest and come out and say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: here's what we gave them, and then they said no.
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  Speaker 1: You know what it does for him It puts him
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  Speaker 1: in a great pr public relations place in Toronto and
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  Speaker 1: it also puts the pressure back on the j So
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  Speaker 1: this was brilliant by Vlad and his team.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing to me think and we're not talking
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  Speaker 4: about you know, guys making one hundred million, two, one
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  Speaker 4: hundred million, even three hundred and now we're in the
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  Speaker 4: range of double all those prices. And I don't know
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  Speaker 4: exactly what they're talking about. I just know vlad Guerrera
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  Speaker 4: Junior is a really good ballplayer, and if they're close
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  Speaker 4: to you know, they weren't close to six hundred million. Again,
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  Speaker 4: it's just it's just amazing to me that we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about this much money. I don't know how much the
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  Speaker 4: guy is worth at the end of the day, but
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  Speaker 4: I know if we're talking over five hundred million dollars,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that is a whole chunk of change. I
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  Speaker 4: get it. As a ballplayer, you want to get as
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  Speaker 4: much as possible. If this is the way that you
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  Speaker 4: know baseball is going, which is great for the players,
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  Speaker 4: so be it. But you know, that's a range where
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  Speaker 4: I have to really sit back and talk to my
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  Speaker 4: family about, like, hey, listen, you know they're they're not
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  Speaker 4: close to what we want, but they're they're in that style.
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  Speaker 4: Because you know, I got people coming over at the house.
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  Speaker 4: You're asking to buy the house. I told them twenty million,
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  Speaker 4: but if they give me ten, I might take it.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying so that's the business part
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  Speaker 4: of me talking out loud. It might even be the
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  Speaker 4: best example, but you always shoot high and if they
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  Speaker 4: come down to the spot where you really want it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I find I have a hard time
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  Speaker 4: saying no to over five hundred million dollars. That's just me.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think the days I don't think they got Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the Jays got their Todd. I think
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  Speaker 1: I think this is Laddie's saying this is what we wanted.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the Jays because the Ja's were way
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  Speaker 1: below this because even when Shapiro and Ross Atkins came
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  Speaker 1: out and said, oh he he sent us something that
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  Speaker 1: we didn't think his value was at. So let's say
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  Speaker 1: he gave him fifteen years, we're random numbers here, five fifty, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and the Jays went back with fifteen years three fifty.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's a huge difference. So I think this
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  Speaker 1: is what Vladdie went And again I think it's brilliant
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  Speaker 1: by his PR team and his team because again it
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  Speaker 1: puts all the pressure on the Jays because everyone in Toronto,
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  Speaker 1: the whole country of Canada wants him, so they're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: we can't afford this guy. We're going to offer show
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  Speaker 1: hey six hundred.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't mind him coming out and talking and
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  Speaker 4: being transparent as Scott he said too, I think that
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  Speaker 4: is a brilliant movies not bashing anybody. He's not cutting
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  Speaker 4: the team down. He's just saying listen. I even gave
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  Speaker 4: him less years, and I even put it down what
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  Speaker 4: I'm worth, but I actually went lower as well, so
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  Speaker 4: he is. It's a great move, and it is back
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  Speaker 4: on the Jays to understand that they do need to
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  Speaker 4: come up from this all for whatever it was. But
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  Speaker 4: you know, if this is the way the game's going,
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  Speaker 4: these players are going to be in a really really
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  Speaker 4: good situation one way or another.
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  Speaker 2: I okay, let's do this. Raise your hand if you
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  Speaker 2: think that the Blue Jays went to five hundred plus
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  Speaker 2: on the offer to him.
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  Speaker 4: No, now, looking at it, looking more and more at
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  Speaker 4: the quote, he said, even less than one hundred. So
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  Speaker 4: less than one hundred from six hundred is less than
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  Speaker 4: five hundred, So I would say they're in the four range. Ft.
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  Speaker 2: You don't get bats like this very often. And here's
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  Speaker 2: the number one thing that gets paid in the free
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  Speaker 2: agent market at the superstar level, which is what flaty is.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care about the position in this case. Youth,
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  Speaker 2: he's got youth. It's going to cover his age twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven season on for free agencies.
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  Speaker 1: That's also in power. He's got youth power and he
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  Speaker 1: gets on base, and he's a good hitter, right, so
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  Speaker 1: he's kind of got the the four right youth power.
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  Speaker 1: He can hit and he gets on base. So whatever position,
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  Speaker 1: whatever position he is, I mean, he's got it. He's
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  Speaker 1: got it all lined up to get paid a lot,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money, which he will. But I wish, listen,
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  Speaker 1: as a fan of baseball, I wish he would stay
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  Speaker 1: in Toronto and they could figure this out because he
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  Speaker 1: got the money.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, I remember, you know, Ken wrote
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  Speaker 2: about how they botched this whole situation in the front
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  Speaker 2: office afterward because also they had so many opportunities to
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  Speaker 2: get him to the right number, and the price, of
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  Speaker 2: course is going to go up after the Wan Soto
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  Speaker 2: deal comes out. But Ken was trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: what a number would look like for him. Miguel Cabrera
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  Speaker 2: a while back, already at a much older age, was
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  Speaker 2: getting thirty one million dollars per year. You can say
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: the contract didn't work out well at the end. That's
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  Speaker 2: to be the case for almost any deal that gets
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  Speaker 2: players up to their upper thirties and even beyond. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: but this is a guy who might get himself forty
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  Speaker 2: million dollars a year, and if you put that over
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  Speaker 2: fourteen years, that's five hundred and sixty million dollars, and
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  Speaker 2: that's still about two hundred million dollars less than mon soda.
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  Speaker 2: The numbers sound crazy, but this is the price of
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  Speaker 2: admission for getting superstars like this. Todd Father, Iron Judge
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  Speaker 2: is in his deal right now that covers him from
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  Speaker 2: ages thirty one to two thirty nine years old. If
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  Speaker 2: Laddie gets a fourteen year contract, he's going from twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven to forty years old, So you're getting more of
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  Speaker 2: those prime years in terms of what every front office
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  Speaker 2: slices up for numbers with age.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think, I know, aj you want to comment
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  Speaker 4: on us. Do you think that in most these negotiations
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  Speaker 4: it's the years or the money. Do you guys think
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  Speaker 4: that the biggest problem.
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  Speaker 3: Is it's the total commitment for me?
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  Speaker 1: And then that's why they spread it out over a
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  Speaker 1: long period can lower the AAE.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And the only reason I said that because Soto
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  Speaker 4: brought up about you know, years or whatever. It was
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  Speaker 4: the one that he can either opting out or you know,
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  Speaker 4: have an extra year or whatever on the contract. So
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  Speaker 4: that's where it's like, you know, are we nickel and
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  Speaker 4: diamond on some of these things, or you know, are
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  Speaker 4: these really things that they really need to care about
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  Speaker 4: at the end of the day. So, yeah, it's hard,
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  Speaker 4: it's tough. You see the decline on some guys when
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  Speaker 4: they reach a certain age too as well, so they
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  Speaker 4: got to take that in consideration. But no doubt, Age,
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  Speaker 4: I'll let you comment more on this, but he deserves
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  Speaker 4: every penny black Row Junior in Toronto, in Toronto, they
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  Speaker 4: should pay him for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Todd, is this listen, here's my thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Scott brought up Cabrera Albert Pools is the example,
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  Speaker 1: and you just brought up Yeah, guys, Age, but what
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  Speaker 1: did the Angels get out of Pools? Five hundred home runs?
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: Six hundred home runs, right, three thousand hits? They got
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  Speaker 1: all these things out of and guess what they got
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  Speaker 1: to do. They got to celebrate. They got to make
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: a bablehead. They got to have Oh Albert for a week,
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  Speaker 1: Oh Albert might hit? Is this home run or this
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it is?
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  Speaker 3: With Meggie?
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  Speaker 1: Same thing with Detroit. Yes, he declined, they weren't competing.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't competitive at the time. And you know what,
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  Speaker 1: he hit us five hundred homer, He got us three
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  Speaker 1: thousand ten, all in Tiger's uniforms. Every time they show
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: that highlight, it's Meggie in a Tiger's uniform. Same with Soda.
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  Speaker 1: Every milestone he hits, he's going to be in a
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  Speaker 1: Mets uniform. Vladdie should be in a J's uniform every
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  Speaker 1: time he hits a whatever it is, whatever numbers these
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  Speaker 1: guys get to, Right, that's what you're paying for. You're
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  Speaker 1: paying for not only the years, but you're also paying
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  Speaker 1: for the lasting legacy of Albert Poohlos got his five
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  Speaker 1: hundred homer as an angel, he got a three thousand
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  Speaker 1: hit as an angel. Those things are all things that
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  Speaker 1: guess what a franchise can do. They can market and
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  Speaker 1: sell it to people. So that's why these contracts. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the play on the field might go down, but the
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  Speaker 1: marketing goes up.
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  Speaker 2: I'll add to that, the Jays over the length of
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  Speaker 2: that deal will probably have some really rough times. He's
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  Speaker 2: going to be the reason to go to the ballpark.
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  Speaker 2: The Jays also do not have a highly rated farm
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  Speaker 2: system right now. We are not looking behind us and going, oh,
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: but they have x YZ all on the way. Let's
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: use an example within the division. Prospects are prospects, but
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  Speaker 2: the Red Sox have superstar potential with multiple players that
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  Speaker 2: are in their farm system. There is no one quite
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  Speaker 2: like that in the Blue Jays farm system. So it's
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  Speaker 2: not like you're looking behind you going, hey, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be fine. We're gonna replenish this. This is a legacy play.
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  Speaker 2: This is a player who's in his prime years who
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  Speaker 2: you still think can have MVP seasons ahead for quite
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  Speaker 2: some time. And yeah, he's not going to be known
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  Speaker 2: for his glove. Neither is Juan Soto. So it is
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  Speaker 2: in my mind, a massive, massive mistake that continues here
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  Speaker 2: for the Blue Jays. And I give credit to Vladdie
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  Speaker 2: for being transparent here too, because Todd Father, I think
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  Speaker 2: he's a little hurt. He's seen them go after show, Hey, Otani,
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  Speaker 2: he's seen them offer close to I think seven hundred
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  Speaker 2: million dollars for Juan Soto, and he's like, I'm right here,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think about me?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, in the back of your mind, I think
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  Speaker 4: it plays a little bit of a part. But when
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  Speaker 4: you're in negotiations, you know, you throw that out the
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  Speaker 4: window and explain, like, listen, we they every agent and
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  Speaker 4: every player knows that each team has the money to
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  Speaker 4: spend if they're willing to do it. You know, this
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  Speaker 4: guy is a staple of your organization. Uh, he moved
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  Speaker 4: to first base, He's not afraid to play corner positions.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's an excellent ballplayer. And the business part
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  Speaker 4: of baseball is the part I really don't like, because
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  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden you get this friction and
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  Speaker 4: the most most agents do a really well job of
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  Speaker 4: kind of not saying exactly what the breasts of each
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  Speaker 4: organization is really truly saying behind closed doors, but it
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  Speaker 4: is it's really hard to come to the ballpark every
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  Speaker 4: day knowing that you know, this guy is trying to
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  Speaker 4: crush my crush me a little bit here and saying
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  Speaker 4: I'm not worth this or that. So they do need
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  Speaker 4: to figure this out.
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  Speaker 2: It's also isn't a small market team AJ So if
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: they get something done and they're you know, saying, oh,
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: we won't go past four seventy five, and he's like,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: I need five point fifty. I know it sounds crazy,
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: but over the length of fourteen years for a franchise
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: like this, it is just not worth it. So anyway,
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: we'll step aside. We have a whole.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Country, tell exactly. But by the way, they have a
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: whole country, not just a city. They have a country
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: that they have one team in that country, it's the
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Blue Jays.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: They have money.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Rogers, I mean, Todd, you've been to Toronto if you've
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: never been to Canada, Rogers Center, Rogers TV, Rogers Communications,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Rogers Pizza, Rogers, this, Rogers, Rodgers is everywhere.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: If he has a big year, there in so much trouble.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you there are other teams that are going
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: to pay him more for services. So for them playing
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: games right now at the very least, is going to
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: cost them more money if he's able to test the waters. No,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: everyone thought Soda was going to get a lot. Nobody
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: thought seven to sixty five, with potential to make it
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: even more, was going to be the final number at
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: t YouTube fan back in two minutes to the TV
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: show as well, Todd Father, let's hit a couple bits
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: of the Yankees. They seem to be the team getting
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: hit with the injury bug the most so far in spring.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: I think the headliner is we've been following this all week,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: but we got more of the timeline last night. Luis
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Heal three plus months out of the starting rotation mix.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: This hurts? This hurts. You know, you know when someone
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: gets injured, you're hoping, you know it's just a little
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: bit of a soreness or you know a little pain
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: that you know it's just gonna back. You know your
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: back's tight. You know you got you know, backspasm. But
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: this is this is tough. He went to New York
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: for additional testing. Man, what is such a great start
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: to his you know, young career too as well. He
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: absolutely dominated last year. Watching him throw his fastball was
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: so electric with that matching change up of his and
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: then you've developed a little bit of a slider. I mean,
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: the guy, he's a presence on the mound and this
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: is a big hit, a big hit for the Yankees,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: and we'll see how it goes. I mean high grade
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: right latch strain. I wouldn't even know where to start
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: with that. He's solid dude on and off the field.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: The injury bug is really hurting the Yankees right now.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Stanton le Mayhew, Louis Heel, I think I'm am I
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: missing one more, Scott.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I mean that those are the big ones. Those are
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: the big ones. Yeah, John Carlo got more PRP injections.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: They're like surgery, last resort, but it certainly doesn't sound great.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: He's not gonna start off the year. Le Mayhew plays
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: in one game, tweaks the calf, and he's had trouble
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: staying on the field. I'm with you, Thank goodness for Stroman.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: He's gonna eat innings for you in the five spot.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: They couldn't trade him, and now they shouldn't trade him.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Yep, that was I was going to finish with that
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: too as well. So hey, it's his time. Step on up.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Let's go big man.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about shoe Heo Tani first, So
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: last time he threw a bullpen was on February twenty fifth.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: He's been playing catch, but his manager Dave Roberts said
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers are going to give him quote a little
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: respite man. I probably said that wrong from ramping up
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: throwing as he ramps up as a hitter. So he's
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: not going to face hitters Todd Father before he goes
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: to Japan, and then they'll see how that impacts the
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: timeline for him. He's not stopping throwing, he's not shutting
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: down from throwing, but they do want to manage his
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: workload on the mound as they're also trying to get
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: him going at the plate, and he had off season
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: shoulder surgery. Remember his shoulder was messed up in the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: World Series. So Doc said that came from quote syncd
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: up communication between Otani and the medical staff and another
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: quote from Doc. We just felt that to intensify the
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: bullpens alongside the intensity of the games wasn't smart. We
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: just wanted to kind of slow play it. I won
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: billion percent agree with the way they're playing this, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: we continue to talk about this on the show, tod Father.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: There is no past game plan for them to play
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: off of. This has never been done. Forget just the
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: pitcher and the hitter. We don't have a superstar pitcher
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and hitter in our game for decades and decades. We
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: also have the injuries mixed in coming back from a
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: second elbow surgery, the shoulder surgery in the offseason, you
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: have to play it extra extra cautious, especially when you're
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers and you're gonna be fine. So if he
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't pitch until freaking July or August, who cares you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: want him for the playoff run? They're a playoff lock.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you hit that perfectly. I was
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: gonna say that their team is set up, whether he
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: pitches or not, to be a World Series championship team.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: They have all the pieces. Even if an injury or
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: two happen to somebody, they still have all the pieces.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: They're available to win a World Series. This guy just
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: that shoulder surgery. He's coming off a big injury. Listen
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: the time. They just don't have enough time to get
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: him one hundred percent ready to pitch. They have one
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: hundred percent ready to hit like he's gonna do and
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: he's gonna dominate. But again, why would you want to
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: push him knowing how many pieces of the puzzle you
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: already have. You have eight ten different other moves you
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: can do, and really good moves without him on the mound.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: So I think this was their game plan all along,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: knowing let's stack up, knowing show Hey might not pitch
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: a lot, at least in the early goings, and if
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: they're doing well, why would they even throw them anyway?
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Save them as a month as long as you can
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: get that arm going and let him just hit and
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: go out there and be a masterful hitter. As we know.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I asked this question when they signed Show Hey. What
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: happens if show Hey wakes up one day and says,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I don't want to pitch anymore. And now with all
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: these delays, he's already missed a year. We're already looking
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: if he's not ready in May, or already looking into
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: June or possibly July, that's almost two years of him
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: not pitching. Is the contract still worth it right now?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I'd say yes because the Dodgers won a World Series
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and the money they make off of him. But again,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I'm still going to go back to this when he's like,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I hate doing all this rehab, I hate having a pitch.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: I just want to rake great.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: That's just prerogative. There's nothing the Dodgers can do right
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: if he makes a decision. Good for show Hey, but again,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: people are gonna say, well, it wasn't worth it because
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: they signed a two way player.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Show Hay is worth it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: He is beyond worth it. Okay, So that contract in
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: present day value was about half the contract of Juan
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Soto last year alone. We've talked about this a ton
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: on our show. He made the team an incremental marketing
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: value over one hundred million dollars. He also had a
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: fifty to fifty plus season and helped them win a
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: World Series title. You could make an argument that alone
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: makes the whole contract worth it and then some and
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: that's year one of ten. He is the biggest bargain
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: in baseball. He might be the biggest bargain in sports
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: contract history, even if he's just a hitter AJ because okay,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: let's wipe out the pitching top five bat and he's
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: bringing the team a ton of money and a ton
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: of success. That's what you sign a guy up for.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Agreed.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And also, people say, oh, the Dodgers are gonna have
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: to make up to sixty eight million for ten years
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: after he's done playing, possibly of la Guess what if
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: they're making one hundred and fifty plus million dollars right now?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: That's sixty eight ten years from now, nine years from now,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: they're gonna put it in somewhere. It's gonna have interest, interest,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: interest interest. That's gonna be chump change. And that's why
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: with the Dodgers payrolling. Yes, so everyone says old they're
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: they're deferbs. Well, guess what, that's smart because they're making
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: all the money now they're winning World Series.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Now that money.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Later on, they're gonna be like, we don't even care
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: we won. Let's say they win two more World Series
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: in the next ten years, they're gonna be like, we
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: won three World Series under this This contract was a
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: million percent worth it, So I have I still think
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: he's worth it. I still think it's a great signing.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And like you said, Scott, he's the most underpaid guy
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: on the planet right now.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Also, that money has to be put away. I think
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: you get a year to have to put that money away.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: It's not like ten years from now and you're just
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: gonna be like, whoops, we don't have enough for him,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Like you said, Aj, Yeah, it's an escro They're good.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: They're so good on this deal. I mean they probably
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: saw this offer Todd father initially from Otani when he
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: brought up the sixty eight mil a year de third
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: of the seventy to make it a much much lower
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: contract value, they probably were popping bottles right there, obviously
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: not knowing they had him yet, but the fact that
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you know they could manipulate the money that way, it's
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: huge for them. So on the pitching side too, I
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: just want to say, it's a bonus. It's awesome. We
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: all want it sport wise to be able to see
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: more two way players. If you're a fan of baseball,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: it's super cool. I'm sure other teams are obviously okay
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: if he's just a hitter and not bringing as much
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: to the table, but either way, he's a massive asset
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: to the team and he's worth it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Well, we've talked about this over and over. The best
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: player in baseball right now, the best hitter, and he
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: is going to keep doing it and doing it for
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: a lot of more a lot more years. People are like, oh,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: what about so yeah, so Sodo is right there, But
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: I I just believe those two guys. I mean, they
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: have all the intangibles as great hitters and they are superb.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: But again, all the money in the world worth it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Whatever team he was on, Now the Dodgers get to
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: reap those benefits.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, think about it. Ronald run a little less
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: this year, too, aj because and that's just the stolen bases.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Otani does all of these things. They put a lot
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: of wear and tear on your body. And so I
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: give the Dodgers credit. I mean, I don't want him
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: just popping up in October to pitch, because he's got
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: to pitch a little in the bigs and make sure
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: everything's good. But if he doesn't pitch until August and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: he's fine and you save the bullets, do we care?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: So be t Let me ask you this, would you
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: rather have show his contract but the deferred money or
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: one Soto's contract?
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: I would, I mean any right man? And in my opinion,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: I want I want them more money. So well, California,
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: New York. You gotta think about all those things.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: But I'm talking about standpoint from the team.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: You're talking about money. I would I would take I
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: would say Shotani knowing that he can pitch.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: It's not just clo.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: It's not even close. No, I'm saying.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Double Otani's deal. Think about that, Yes, making double Otani
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: And this.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Is not a knock on one so at all, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they've sold a lot of one so Mets fans,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: but brings in the rest of the world, the world Japan, everywhere,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: turns in everything show he does. Yeah, I'm talking around
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the little Nember Fox ran the little thing that you
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: see everywhere. Show is seven months away, right seven and
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: batters away whatever he kept popping out him and judge
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: on the little on the little score bugget on the yep. Yeah,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and even in the Super Bowl. I think they ran
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: in show three months away.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: All right, so uh, anyway, we'll keep track of show
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: his progress. But at least for now, it does sound
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: like he's not going to pitch as soon as we
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: at least initially anticipated in the bigs. But he'll be
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: a bat right from the jump, including in that Tokyo series,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: which are regular season games that count. All right, let's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: get some other stories here, Todd father, did you see
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: this one on Tyler Naquin, who's you know, kind of
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: a veteran position player who fell out a little bit
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: and couldn't find a job anymore, trying a different job
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Guardians as a pitcher minor league contract. He was always
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: a guy that had a cannon arm and it wasn't
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: just visually stackass numbers. I think he was upper upper
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: echelon where you're like, Okay, this dude's like ninety eight
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: ninety nine percent tile arm strength. So they're like, can
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: we see it on a mound. I don't know if
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: he's pitched this in the past, probably in high school, whatever,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: but worth a shot.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Get him on the bump, get him on a bomp.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: We see these guys all the time that come back
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: as knuckleball pitchers, if you want the truth, I mean
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: other than you know, I think of Rick and Keel.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: There's been some others, but he's like the most notable
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: one that I can remember coming back as a picture
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: and you know, dominating picture hitter kind of deal. But yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: I would love to see him on the bump and
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: see what he's got. I don't know exactly where he's
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: going to start in the minor leagues. Usually you start
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: on the lower tier and work your way up, but yeah,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: why not get paid a little bit and maybe it
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: works out and you know, you find you know, a
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: rose and the thorn here. So again, you do see
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: some guys that you warm up with, you like, dude,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I would love to see you on the bumper. A
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: guy that comes in in the ninth down fifteen runs
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: and you're like, he just hit ninety two, Like what
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: are going on here? So yeah, let's check him out.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Charlie Colberson tried it, you know, didn't quite work for
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: him to make it, and it was a pretty quick
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: attempt and a shift there. You know one name that
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: isn't necessarily super well known, but he is still throwing it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I think he's in camp with the Mets right now.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: But Anthony Ghost, I mean he hasn't pitched a ton.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: This was a position player who ended up getting some
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: time in the BIGS. I mean six appearances in twenty one,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: a little more in twenty twenty two. Let's see twenty
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: two appearances in twenty twenty two, and then last year
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: with Cleveland made a few appearances in the Big So
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Todd Fither, you know how hard it is to make
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: it just in one facet of the game, to actually
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: then have the game tell you you're kind of done
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: or you're not good enough. On the position player side,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: eight years for Naquin and then for him to try
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: and get back in it like this. If you can
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: even just crack the big leagues, that's insane.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be insane. It'd be really cool to
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: see this. They're good stories too, man. These guys, you know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: come back and throw and all of a sudden they're,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: you know, two white players. You can always say you
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: did both, but it's so hard to do. The pitching's
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: got to be so super super good, and these guys
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: are throwing ninety five plus with some stank commaning balls
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: go which way I left and right? So good luck,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: good luck to him, Scotty. How do we back Sodo
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Scott either day to day or hit me with the futures?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, So for Juan Soto, I obviously think he's going
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to do this again, just like he did last year.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I think that he plays in every ballpark. This is
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: someone who's so advanced. He's a top three hitter in
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the sport. Last year, I smashed the over on his
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: home run total. I'm going to do it again, even
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: though it's a pitcher's park in New York, Alex I'm
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: not going to fall for this again. There were a
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: lot of projections. Oh, here's what statcast says. He only
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: hits this many homers if he goes to Yankee Stadium,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: it was trash. Juan Soto knows where the fences are.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: He can adjust his approach to hit home runs, and
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: he can do that without sacrificing The batting average two
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: eighty eight nowadays is well well above average. So I'm
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: actually going to hit that home run prop again for
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Wan Soda this year. I think he's got a chance
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: to get close to that four number. All right, how
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: did I do? Todd Father? Do you agree?
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: I thought it was trash?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Remember last year when they were like, oh God says
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: this is how his power is going to play in
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Yankee Stadium.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was unbelievable. I think you're spot on with this.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: People understand this guy. It doesn't matter what ball park
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: he's in. He can go left field, he and go
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: center field, he can go right field. He's going to
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: mash the ball. You saw it first at bat in
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: spring training once again for another New York team going deep.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: He is going to be spectacular and he's going to
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: exceed expectations in my opinion, and anything really home runs, especially,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I think he'll do just fine.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why for me, Bet MGM regular season home
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: runs thirty three and a half. As long as he's
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: on the field, healthy, Todd, Father, that's an over for me, baby,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Did I explain it right? Even though it sounds kind
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: of dumb. From the field, he knows where the fences
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: are and he actually is a guy who can manipulate
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: not only the way that he hits the baseball, but
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the power game too, right.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think he knows who's pitching. He knows
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: where to manipulate it and where he needs to hit
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: the ball depending on, you know, the tilt of the
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: baseball and what arm angles and how the guy's pitching.
• 31:10
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• 31:12
  Speaker 4: runs away, he's either going to try and clip him
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: out in front if it's in, or he's gonna let
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: it travel and go to left field. So he's very
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: smart baseball player. He's strong, he's got a big build,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: and he's got the hands to do anything he really
• 31:24
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• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I know they got to keep this guy on the
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: bump consistently, but when they do, he can be a
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: one or two starter. You know, it's crazy. That's why
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the Mariners are so ridiculous. And we covered this yesterday.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw it all, but Justin
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Turner blasted the team for not putting much into the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: off season for back to back years. But your thoughts
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: on this, dude?
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually saw him pitching in New York when
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: he faced the Yankees when he first kind of coming up,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: and I was impressed if fastball was heavy. You know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: it's one of those days as a baseball player, as
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: a hitter, you're like, all right, you know, we got
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: this new guy coming up, young buck, it's gonna be
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: a good day. And then you get in the box
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: and you're like, man, fastball's getting on you. His slider
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: is filthy, and he's got this presence about him, like damn,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I basically wasted a day. You know, zero for three,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: you know with a walker, you know, one for four,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: you know, barely got a knockoff here. You're like, man,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: you know, this isn't an easy day. He throws hard
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: as fastballs, heavy, smooth as silk, and if healthy, he's
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: gonna be stud And I think he's going to be
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: a really good picture midline pitcher. And for the Mariners
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: it's just another notch on their belt with their pitching staff.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: So again, be careful about him, but be sure. He's
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: a really really good picture.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And the Mariners have some of that raise vibe with
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: some of their starters where it's just like dude, Brian Wu,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: your stuff plays in the zone. You don't need to
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: beat around the bush. And he doesn't. Right he's in
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the zone. He's attack mode. The four seam up, was cranking,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: the sweeper, slider, change up, the whole thing. He's got
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: it all. So they just want to figure out how
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: to consistently keep him on the mound. You see all
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: the Barry bonds talk that he gets still easily smash
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour coming at him. And then
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Andrew McCutcheon had that long tweet about how he was
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: in the cage with him before a game twenty eighteen,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: taking BP said, normally before a game, when you're out
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: of the blue, decides he wants to take swing. Steps
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: in the cage, slacks and dress shoes. First hit, patented bunt,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: next pitch, huge hack. He said, you could hear the
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: whip of his bat unlike anything I've seen at the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: present time, slips from the torque, the slippery dress shoes
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: on the turf, and the ball goes straight up into
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the net above him. So now there was a TV
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: that was about five feet above the net of our cage.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Balls hit so hard hit the TV screen shattered it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: He said, bald didn't go through a hole of any sort,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and net just stretched far enough because the bomb's power.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I say all of that, say this, I believe him
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: because he said one hundreds easy for him.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Still believe it. I listen, I say this, he's probably not.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Probably he's the best hitter to ever set foot in
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Major League baseball. Say what you want to say about
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: the guy. I mean, look at the numbers. He just
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: had to step foot in the box and he was
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: basically getting on first base. And then when he did swing,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: choke up swing a thirty two inch bat, it wasn't
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: even the longest bat. The barrel was so big all
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: he had to do was touch it. He was so strong,
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: absolute beast, absolute stud of a hitter. And if he's
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: as he could still do it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I believe I recommend anyone to type in Barry Bond's
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: foul territory as well when you're searching for clips later,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: because we had a great conversation with him. Yeah, he
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: was really good. He spoke about some of this, Oh
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I could handle whatever now.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: We're like, can you handle the pitching now versus what
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: you were dealing with, And he was like, of course,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: if you're at this level, you can figure out how
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to adjust to what is getting thrown your way. Right,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: less heater is obviously more velocity, stuff like that. So
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: dude is a legend, and obviously he's in great shape. Still.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I was next to him, Todd father, I mean, he
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: looks the same age, he's in the same shape.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's one of those guys that you know you
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: don't see too often. He talked about it, but he
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: also walked about it. This guy he preached what he
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: wanted to do before a game, and guess what, he
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: executed it every time. He's a great philosopher about hitting,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: and he can break down your and make you feel like,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: you know, break it down like you're in fifth grade,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: so you can understand too as well. He understands the
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: art of hitting. He understands how to hit. One of
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: the most clutch hitters and one of the most dominant
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: hitters in baseball to ever play this game. And if
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: you're one of those hitters, I'm sitting back and listening
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: and I'm taking notes as well.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: His money for managers Todd Father. So we actually didn't
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: get to this, but I saw the money come out
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: in the last like twenty four to forty eight hours.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Aaron Boone got his extension, so he's got three years
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: fifteen mill left. He's getting four and a half this year,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: five and then five and a half million dollars. That's
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: certainly nice money. But Craig Counsel signed a forty million
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: dollar contract over five years, so he's getting eight. So
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: he's almost double that salary of Boonie. And then there
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: are extension rumors for Doc Roberts that are circulating and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: sounding like he is going to be the highest paid manager,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: which makes sense. You can all say the Dodgers have
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: it all on paper, but Doc has had a consistent
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: winner for a long time. He is beloved among the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: clubhouse members obviously, from front office all the way down
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: to players, staff, et cetera. He has just got it
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: all working. So he deserves Todd Father in my mind,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: to be at least a ten million dollars a year
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: manager and over at least five years because he's flat
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: out been a better performance guy than Craig Counsel. And
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I know he's got more to work with on paper,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: but still you actually have to deliver on the results.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's been delivering. He's been going here as
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: a manager each year as he's going forward. Yeah, this
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: is his second World championship in baseball. He's a guy
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: that has his player. The players have his back. He
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: has his players back. He has a really good team,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: and you know, the expectations are just as high, and
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: I think it's just going to happen the same way.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: It's going to be you know, it's not going to
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: be back to the drawing board. It's going to be
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: the same old song and dance for him. He's got
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: a great ball club. He expected a lot of his players.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: He is a great manager. He has a good coaching
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: staff too as well. They all buy into his plan.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: And that's what he's going to keep doing it and
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: doing it. And he definitely deserves a lot more money,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: and it is looming. We should know here pretty soon
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: what he's going to get, and he should be getting
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: or expecting a lot more on the table for sure.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And Boonie's underpaid in my mind. AJ, Yeah, yeah, I
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: agree to bother, you know, four and five, five and
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: a half, whatever it is. I mean, Doc's going to
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: be getting ten plus and Council's getting eight plus. To me,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: it was got, you know, closer to a seven eight
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: something like that, at least close to ten. That's my take.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, Yankees went to the World Series this past season.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: They don't always have a perfect roster either, you know.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: The Dodgers I think usually have a better look on paper.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he said.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: That's what he said.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: That's what he said.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: That's what he said, we got the pretty and the ugly.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: We're going to start with the ugly first. Although some
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: people might say this is great news, I don't know
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the dude personally. Mark Badin, who was the guy who
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: brought the Raiders over to Vegas from Oakland, is taken
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: over the role from Dave caval as president of the A's.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: He left the Raiders with some controversy in twenty twenty one,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: and he does have experience in bringing a team over
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: from one city, Oakland to Vegas, so this does make
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: sense in some ways on paper. I will definitely bring
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: up the news that I don't know enough about, but
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: you can read about it in stories like The New
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: York Times, The Athletic, etc. Because he handled that Raiders
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: move in twenty twenty, he left one year later. He,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: from what I read, was essentially forced to resign along
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: with the CFO and the controller, which deals with taxes
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: and other stuff that I don't understand. But owner Mark
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Davis of the Raiders said it was because of quote
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: accounting irregularities, including overpaying on taxes, so it just sounds
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: like there was some shady stuff going on there. He
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: did claim twenty twenty eight is still the plan. All right,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I gotta get my joke in here for to aj
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: so shady situation that's got to be on the resume.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: John Fisher, owner of the A's, is like he brought
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: a team from Oakland, Vegas and he's got some shady
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: history to his name. Did we just become best friends? Yes?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: They Lets not forget this guy blasted the A's not
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: long ago? Was it twenty twenty three? There it is
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: where he said, yeah, you expect the level of honesty
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: and professionalism from them that just ate there doesn't exist.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean, John Fisher must
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: have thought this was the only way he can get the
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: stadium done. And I've read up on this, and if
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the stadium is one point seventy five billion allegedly and
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: the team has access to only three hundred and eighty million,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: where the heck is the other one point five almost
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: one point five billion coming from? Because I don't think
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: John Fisher has that. So, I mean, I think he
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: got help get the money for the Legion Stadium where
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the Raiders play.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: That's why they brought it in.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: He must have some connections there in Vegas to public funding,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: private funding private equity, whatever it is in order to
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: get Fisher over the finish line. Because I'm gonna say
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: until I'm blue in the face, until I actually see
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: one of those big things cranes come in and start
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: lifting during there's there's you know, pylons going into the ground.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna believe it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: And I'm big on word usage. He says, a level
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: of honesty and professionalism. Yeah, they need that. They need
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: that big time over there at the A's and they
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: need to figure it out soon. No doubts on all that.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: One being asked about the stadium opening twenty twenty eight
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: per quotes. We'll see, like A J said, like I'm
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: you know when when my financial guy says, yeah, we
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: might have this coming through this and that the percentage,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: well I need to see it on paper. I need
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: to see the check. You know what I'm saying. So
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: see it ends believing in my opinion. And we will
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: see as the time moves on here with DA's and
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: how they're going to be on the field, off the
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: field money wise, business wide. Are they gonna have a structure.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: We will see that. Yeah.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Ironically call a team out.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: He's the one who got in trouble for regularities.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I got more for everyone. So in this time story
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: that was in twenty twenty two, they said Raiders employees
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: saw numerous problems large and small in the organization, including
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: lax controls over how money was spent and how people
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: were paid. And then even they said the bungling of
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the payment of taxes over several years. I'm like, great,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: he's probably looking at revenue sharing all kinds of toys
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: that he can play with in baseball to make more
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: money for the team. So it is ironic to call
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: out the A's in twenty twenty three when in twenty
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: twenty one you got in trouble, and I don't think
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: he denied the trouble and he was forced to resign,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: so to be continued, I'm sure there will be continued
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: entertainment from this franchise at the top.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I also find it ironic aj that that news comes out,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: people start pointing out irregularities about the hire, and then
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: hours later, the great, super talented, great dude Lawrence Butler
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: gets his extension done. So props to him first of all,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: but also that timing, in my mind, was on purpose.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: But what do you think of it? Yeah, of course right,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: They're like, all right, he wants an extra fumail. Let's
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: get it done.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Now, we got to stuff call him law dogg. I
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: told you Matt Lawton is low dog.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: So it's hard for me. I can't call him that. Uh,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: but great for him, are you kidding me? Sixty six
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: point five million dollars with the A's. They signed Severino,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: they traded for Jeffrey Springs, they signed Brent Rooker. Now
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: they've signed Lawrence Butler. Like, this is awesome for the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: hey guys, here's hey buddy, He's great for uh Laurence Butler,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: for the A's. I love it. I love that they're
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: signing guys. I love that the A's are spending money. Now,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: do they have to spend the money, yes, but are
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: they doing doing it and signing guys and guys that
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: seem like good guys and guys that are talented and
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: good players in the A's fans wherever they're located, whether
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: there's Sacramento, Vegas, who else, maybe Portland? Who the heck
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: knows where they're going to be, But way to go,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: A's and congratulations Warren Butler, Lawrence Butler, your.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Step for life.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, money contract signed to do. I love that, love that,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: no messing around. You know, you probably could have went higher,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: but sometimes you got to just say to your agent, listen,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm fine with this. Let's go move on now.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: He's set their life boom spot on.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: He's got star potential. I mean, he looked like that
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: in the second half of the year and it was
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: a big reason why the A's were kind of a
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: problem in the second half of the season. We like
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the team, Hey, we'll smash the business moves all day,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: but as far as what they've put together now with
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the rebuild, it's starting to look pretty good. And you've
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: got some guys here long term rookers going to be
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: there for years now. Butler's going to be there for
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: years now. And he's in a great example of someone
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: who's had all the tools come together at least average,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: if not above average in the outfield, and then the
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: bat in my mind as like number three, number four
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: hitter potential there and we saw that in the second half.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: So anyway, props to the A's rights.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, rooting for the A's by the way to make
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: the playoffs this year because I want to see where
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: they play in the playoffs, kind of like the.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Rays not gonna lie.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I want to see where these two teams that are,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: you know, not big if they get to the postseason
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: where they play the postseason games, because we know ten
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: and twelve thousand seat stadiums for the postseason is not
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: going to be ideal for Major League bays.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: A lot of people that don't have one particular team
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: root for chaos, which is just fun. It's entertaining, right,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: it's a reality show. I'm with you both. I am
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: rooting for an A's Rays matchup at some point in
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. I'll take one of them in there. But
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I'm with you the A's will be the more crazy
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: situation because they're not going to be able to just hop, don't.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know where they would go, right, It's not
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: like there's anything big enough in the Sacramento area to
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: be able to hold them. Are they going to go
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: back to Oakland? I doubt that they're going to.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Play in San Francisco. Yeah.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: So anyway, ft fam, thanks for the extended time. Hope
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: you enjoyed it. Awesome awesome job from the Raised pr
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: and their players, coach and their front office leader as well,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Eric Neander All for joining us on FT. We'll see
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: you next week from sunny Arizona, the desert. There it is. Dodgers,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: d Backs, Rangers, White Sox. A's pack your bags, AJ
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Already, Let's do it.