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Celebrating Emotion Is Dead: BRETT DETAR From THE JULIANA THEORY Reflects On The Impact And Future Of The Band · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brett from the Juliana Theory. Brilliant, Thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much.
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  Speaker 2: You're celebrating the anniversary of Emotion Is Dead with this
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  Speaker 2: upcoming Australian tour. Looking back on the album, what stands
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  Speaker 2: out to you as the most about its creation and impact?
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  Speaker 1: Well, wow, that's a great question. I don't really think
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  Speaker 1: that we certainly ever could have imagined the fact that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think, like I was believe, I was
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  Speaker 1: twenty one when we made that record, So to think
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  Speaker 1: that it's more time has passed since the album was
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  Speaker 1: created than I was on the earth at that point
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  Speaker 1: in time. To think that that basically that there are
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  Speaker 1: people that it matters to and still care about it
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  Speaker 1: this many years later is like that never gets old.
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  Speaker 1: It's very humbling, and it's very it feels very special.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, that might be one of the
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  Speaker 1: coolest things about it. I think just the fact that
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  Speaker 1: we were like five kids from a small town and
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  Speaker 1: we went to this tiny, little recording studio that was
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  Speaker 1: a converted garage and we basically you know, wrote all
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  Speaker 1: the songs in our parents' basements and garages and made
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  Speaker 1: the record for really really cheap and the fact that
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  Speaker 1: like it, you know that we had people tell us like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we named our kid after your band, or
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  Speaker 1: we got married to a song off this record or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, it's really crazy to think about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And because you guys were so young, what
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  Speaker 2: was it like having that huge success straight.
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  Speaker 1: Off the bat?
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because in a way, I think when
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  Speaker 1: the band started, we were it was like maybe three
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  Speaker 1: years before that, and the first two and a half years,
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  Speaker 1: probably the first two years felt relatively slow. We would
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  Speaker 1: just play pretty much local shows and we would do
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of traveling. And at that point, I
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  Speaker 1: think our youngest member was fourteen and our oldest member
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  Speaker 1: was nineteen or twenty, and so it didn't feel it
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  Speaker 1: still felt kind of gradual because it did start out
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like us just playing tiny little VFW halls,
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  Speaker 1: tiny little you know, house shows, little local shows. And
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  Speaker 1: then it was right around our first record to understand
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  Speaker 1: this is a dream. Right in the somewhere in between
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  Speaker 1: understand this is a dream and emotion is dead. Suddenly
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  Speaker 1: there was like this three or four month period of
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  Speaker 1: time where we would start going to the same venue
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  Speaker 1: that we played three months earlier, and we'd be like, well,
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  Speaker 1: there's double as many people here, How did this happen?
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  Speaker 1: Where did this come from? And that was that was
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  Speaker 1: definitely shocking and was and was pretty crazy at the time.
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  Speaker 1: But also you're so young you almost don't really realize
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  Speaker 1: necessarily how special that is in a way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, So it was more of a gradual thing.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't like instantly you guys were huge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And this tour is in collaboration with The Spill Canvas,
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  Speaker 2: another blove band in the scene. What excites you most
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  Speaker 2: about joining forces with them for this celebration?
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  Speaker 1: Well, really, like we was so in twenty nineteen, we
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  Speaker 1: were very much not a band, and we hadn't done
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  Speaker 1: anything for many years, and somehow, I'm not exactly sure how,
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  Speaker 1: but somehow we got an offer to do to do
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  Speaker 1: a full US tour with the Spill Canvas, but if
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  Speaker 1: we would play just as a two piece acoustic band
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  Speaker 1: and that doing that deciding to do that, which we
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  Speaker 1: normally would have just said no, but for some reason
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  Speaker 1: we said yes, and that kind of was the thing
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  Speaker 1: that kickstarted us into doing stuff again and writing new
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  Speaker 1: songs and recording and signing an equal vision and everything.
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  Speaker 1: So it feels a little bit full circle to finally
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  Speaker 1: be able to play with the Spill Canvas again, but
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  Speaker 1: to actually play like the real version of our band
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  Speaker 1: and not just as like an acoustic thing. Yeah're just great.
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  Speaker 1: They're great dudes. So we're just you know, excited to
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  Speaker 1: hang out really. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: And speaking of new music, is there any new music.
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  Speaker 3: On the horizon for you guys?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's gonna be. There's a new record that's
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  Speaker 1: close to being done.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome, awesome, we can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: And what's the story behind Emotion Is Dead and the
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  Speaker 2: personal experiences or themes that influence the album's lyrics and
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  Speaker 2: overall sound.
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  Speaker 1: Well, great question. Again. I feel like when we made
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  Speaker 1: our first record, Understand This Is a Dream, it was
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  Speaker 1: very I would say it was very succinct, like we
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  Speaker 1: knew we wanted to be like, you know, for a
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: lack of a better word, we were just like, let's
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  Speaker 1: make a fast, poppy email record. And I think I
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  Speaker 1: was still in ZAO at the time, and Juliana Theory
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a sort of was a side project
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  Speaker 1: for most of us, and so we didn't really necessarily
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  Speaker 1: take it seriously or that it needed to be I
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  Speaker 1: don't all encompassing might not be the right word, but
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  Speaker 1: we didn't need it to necessarily feel like we were
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  Speaker 1: challenging ourselves, like we were just having fun. But then
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  Speaker 1: in the transition that happened in that year year and
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  Speaker 1: a half amount of time between the first two records,
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  Speaker 1: all of us kind of made the Juliana theory our
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  Speaker 1: main thing. And as soon as that happened, it just
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  Speaker 1: sort of felt like, oh, we should try to expand,
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  Speaker 1: Like let's not just be a fast, poppy email band.
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  Speaker 1: Let's also do that, but also be like, can we
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  Speaker 1: have a nine minute song that sounds like we want
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  Speaker 1: to be Pink Floyd? Can we have heavier songs? Can
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  Speaker 1: we have like really poppy songs? Can we kind of
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  Speaker 1: just so we just wanted to kind of try to have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just to figure out how to do a
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  Speaker 1: bigger and better version of what we were already doing.
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  Speaker 2: I think, and how does that emo label that you
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  Speaker 2: guys have had pretty much since we all knew about you,
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  Speaker 2: how does that label? How has that label sat with
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  Speaker 2: you throughout the yeas and now?
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  Speaker 1: I think for a while it I didn't like it
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  Speaker 1: at all, and that's really where the title came from.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, Emotion is Dead was a complete joke. We
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  Speaker 1: were in the van and I remember saying to the
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  Speaker 1: guys like, why don't we call our album emo is
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  Speaker 1: Dead and make and just have like a wilting dead
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  Speaker 1: flower on the cover, and we all just started laughing,
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  Speaker 1: and I forget one of us, maybe was Chad, was
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  Speaker 1: like Emo's Emotion is Dead and we just lost it
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  Speaker 1: and we were like, that's it, we have to call
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  Speaker 1: it that, and it was. It was just a joke.
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  Speaker 1: So I think I think at the beginning it was like, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what we want to do. That's that's what this
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  Speaker 1: sound is. And then very quickly it's sort of started
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  Speaker 1: to feel limiting because you would get a certain group
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  Speaker 1: of people in that scene that would be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: well you're doing this, that's not EMO. You have drum
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  Speaker 1: machines in your songs, or you have sense or what like,
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  Speaker 1: that's not EMO. Instead, all of a sudden, we were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well good, then we don't. We're not EMO. We don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be. Yeah, and you know, now I don't.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny because I don't necessarily think that our band
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  Speaker 1: is per se. But it just seems like it's the
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  Speaker 1: easy thing to sort of call it because it has
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  Speaker 1: that connotation to a lot of people. But the problem is,
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  Speaker 1: it's like that connotation means like does that mean does
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  Speaker 1: that mean Sunny Day real Estate and Mineral or does
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  Speaker 1: that mean Fallout Boy or does that mean you know,
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  Speaker 1: my chemical Romance like what? Or does it mean like
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  Speaker 1: all the like newer bands that are that have come
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  Speaker 1: out in the last ten years. It's really it's really
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what that word even means. But yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, I definitely relate with what you're saying, because emo
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  Speaker 2: that genre it feels like a little bit of a
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  Speaker 2: made up genre anyway, but it's not. But there's so
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  Speaker 2: many bands that could fit into that category and they
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  Speaker 2: don't say to like, and it's like, yeah, where do
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  Speaker 2: you even fit? In July, you'll be taking the stage
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  Speaker 2: in Australia. What's your favorite memories or standout moments from
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  Speaker 2: previous tours here?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we only did one tour, but we did very exhausted.
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  Speaker 1: We did three weeks and I think it was like
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  Speaker 1: fourteen shows, and man, we had so much fun. It
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  Speaker 1: was I remember I drove a lot, and so I
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  Speaker 1: remember just the idea of having the steering wheel be
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of the car, and the and
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  Speaker 1: like where the lines in the road are because you're
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  Speaker 1: from a you're on a different like the whole the
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  Speaker 1: whole perspective. I just remember driving and always being like
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm verging into the other lane and
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  Speaker 1: like that always like stuck out in my head. But
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  Speaker 1: I think like it was we were very fascinated with
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  Speaker 1: the idea of you would go like in America, you
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  Speaker 1: drive in between cities, and even if you're out in
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  Speaker 1: the country, there's still always a lot of things. There's
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  Speaker 1: still gas stations, there's still lots of things. And I
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  Speaker 1: just remember seeing all these billboards that were like number
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  Speaker 1: one cause of death is falling asleep at the wheel,
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  Speaker 1: and all these signs that I'd be like, oh, we're
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  Speaker 1: like out here, and we would we would be driving
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  Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, well, I'm hungry, We'll just stop
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  Speaker 1: in a little bit. And then we would we'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, we're not stopping in a little bit, or
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  Speaker 1: we'd stop it and be like one business in this
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  Speaker 1: little middle of nowhere. I would have like three food
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  Speaker 1: items and you'd be like, all right, well this is
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  Speaker 1: what we're you know. Yeah, I think like that was funny,
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  Speaker 1: Like there's no A lot of things stood out, Like
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  Speaker 1: I remember one thing that stood out was because the
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  Speaker 1: age to drink is a lot lower than in America.
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  Speaker 1: I remember we showed up and be like, whoa, these
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  Speaker 1: fans are a lot younger kids are drunk at these shows,
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  Speaker 1: which really was really funny practice up at the time. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh that's yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The differences between here and there is where we're very
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  Speaker 2: similar to you guys in a lot of ways, but
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  Speaker 2: interesting perspective. I never really thought about how far our
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  Speaker 2: towns are to each other and those big open spaces,
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  Speaker 2: open roads that you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so true.
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  Speaker 2: Outside of music, What are some of your hobbies?
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  Speaker 1: Music is one of the only things I really do.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's really just spend a lot of time
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  Speaker 1: doing that, to be honest, Like I at my day jobs,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a film composer, so I spend a lot of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time just that that's time consuming. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think I like, I like to watch
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  Speaker 1: hockey and I like to hang out, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: the people I love and be out in nature, try
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  Speaker 1: to be ground and take a lot of walks and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but mostly I'm thinking about music most of the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's fair enough. And some of these
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  Speaker 2: films that you've done compositions for, can you tell us
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  Speaker 2: about some of the films.
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  Speaker 1: Or yeah, I mostly at this point have done scary movies.
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  Speaker 1: So I have a movie coming out later this year
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  Speaker 1: called Yellow Eyes. I did. I don't know if you're
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  Speaker 1: familiar with the Orphan franchise, but there was a movie
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  Speaker 1: like two years ago, Orphan First Kill I did the
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  Speaker 1: score for. I did the sequel to the movie The Boy,
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  Speaker 1: which is like The Boy Too, Broms a couple other
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  Speaker 1: like just yeah, a bunch of a bunch of scary stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wicked.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea.
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  Speaker 2: What's one of the most memorable fan interactions of moments
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  Speaker 2: that stands out to you over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's there's there's so many. I remember very specifically
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  Speaker 1: the first time we played Italy. I remember there was
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  Speaker 1: or bus pulled up and normally people will line up
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  Speaker 1: for shows when we're playing, like, you know, a couple
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  Speaker 1: hours of four doors maybe and I remember we showed
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  Speaker 1: up at the venue and we've never been to Italy before.
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  Speaker 1: It's the first time we've ever played there. And our
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  Speaker 1: bus pulls up like nine hours before the show, and
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  Speaker 1: there were all these people waiting outside and they had
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  Speaker 1: like signs and things, and normally, like for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: I could kind of go most places and not really
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  Speaker 1: be bothered or noticed or recognized or anything. And it
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  Speaker 1: was like, I remember just I stepped off the bus
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  Speaker 1: to going to the venue for the first time, and
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  Speaker 1: all these Italians were like Brett Brett and asking me
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  Speaker 1: all these questions and holding up signs, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what is happening? Where? Where are we? And that just
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  Speaker 1: always stood out because it was so like a typical
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  Speaker 1: to the I feel like, because we came from such
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  Speaker 1: a DIY punk rock kind of background where they're really
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  Speaker 1: wasn't really much of a separation between like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: fans and people in bands. Felt like it was pretty connected.
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  Speaker 1: That was one of the cases where I was like,
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  Speaker 1: whoa this is you know, this feels this feels different.
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  Speaker 1: It is interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that must have been I can only imagine.
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  Speaker 2: And if you could pick one song from Emotion is
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  Speaker 2: Dead that you're especially excited to perform live during this tour.
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  Speaker 2: Which one would it be and why?
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  Speaker 1: I would probably say if I told you this was
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  Speaker 1: killing me, would you stop? Just because it's always for
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  Speaker 1: me just one of the most fun ones to perform,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like the crowd usually gets the most
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  Speaker 1: hype during that one. So it's just it's just easy
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  Speaker 1: to like it. Just it pretty much never doesn't go
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  Speaker 1: over well. It's just it's always fun to play.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome, And you don't get secret playing.
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  Speaker 1: It at all, No, I don't. I don't get there's
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  Speaker 1: a couple there's a couple of songs on the record
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  Speaker 1: that we kind of like don't necessarily love playing and
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  Speaker 1: we're like, oh no, we have to do this again.
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  Speaker 1: But then there's like sounds like into the Dark and
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  Speaker 1: Killing Me that would just like always, they're always feel
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  Speaker 1: great to play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, that's good to hear.
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  Speaker 2: And what were some of the hardest moments for you
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  Speaker 2: during the Juliana Theories journey and how did you push
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  Speaker 2: through them?
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  Speaker 1: That's a great question. I think at one, I think
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  Speaker 1: when we signed to a major label and we were
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  Speaker 1: I think that's probably like twenty two at the time,
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty three, and all of a sudden, it's
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  Speaker 1: like we went from making Emotion Is Dead for ten
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  Speaker 1: grand to having like more or less like all in
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  Speaker 1: with everything that like basically we got like a million
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  Speaker 1: dollars for everything. So suddenly there's like a ridiculous amount
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  Speaker 1: of pressure to do something that to like not necessarily
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: to repeat something, but to make something in a way
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  Speaker 1: that people. You just felt like a lot more pressure
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  Speaker 1: because suddenly there's a huge staff of people and they
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: want these things and they want you to do something
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  Speaker 1: a certain way. And it was like when we when
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: we made the record, and more or less some people
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: that were involved with the label kind of told the
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: label that they thought we made the wrong record, and
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: so it sat on the sat on the shelf for
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  Speaker 1: like seven months. And yeah, it ended up coming out
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: seven months later than it was supposed to be, and
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: it leaked on the internet like like more than seven
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  Speaker 1: months early, and so it had been out but this
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  Speaker 1: whole time, and we're waiting and waiting and it's not
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  Speaker 1: properly released, and anybody who wants to listen to it
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  Speaker 1: can And it came out and the label didn't put
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: any money behind it. And they didn't really want to
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  Speaker 1: market it, and we had all these things in our
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: deal that they were supposed to do, and they kind
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: of really they were better to us in Australia, to
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  Speaker 1: be honest, but the American side of the label kind
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  Speaker 1: of just was like I remember, it came out and
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  Speaker 1: they didn't like do any marketing and still sold like
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  Speaker 1: I get like seventeen thousand copies the first week or something,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember we had the president of the label
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  Speaker 1: was like, let's talk on the phone. It was like
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  Speaker 1: five days after the record came out, and she was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, your record's dead. We want you guys to
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  Speaker 1: know it's already. It's dead in the water, and we
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  Speaker 1: should start talking about doing the next one. And so
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  Speaker 1: we ended up getting out of that deal. But that
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  Speaker 1: was you know, when you're twenty three and your whole entire,
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  Speaker 1: like you graduate high school and you go right into
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: like being in a band and going on tour, and
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  Speaker 1: then you're like, here's our first record. We did it
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  Speaker 1: really cheap, and we did it on our own, and
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  Speaker 1: then here's our next record. We're slowly building this fan
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  Speaker 1: base and it's like, oh, now we're signed to a
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  Speaker 1: major and now we have all this this team behind us,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: and all these good things are going to happen. And
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: then you go and you spend way longer making the
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  Speaker 1: record than we had ever spent doing anything. And then
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: you wait and wait and wait and wait, and you
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: know you're slowly starting to get the picture in your
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: head like maybe this isn't necessarily working out. But then
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  Speaker 1: to have that phone conversation like a week later, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like wow, it just makes you feel like everything
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  Speaker 1: it was like we did, everything we do was it did.
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  Speaker 1: We make just a million mistakes and so it took
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  Speaker 1: a while to kind of recover from that. I think
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if as far as in the eyes
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  Speaker 1: of the industry at that point in time, we were
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: like considered damaged goods because that happened, and I know
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: that that affected a lot of things, like business wise,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: but it just was mentally, when you're that young and
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: you don't really have a lot of real world experience,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: something like that felt like now I feel like I
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, whatever, take it in stride. That sucks,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: but it is what it is. That point in time,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: it just felt like, wow, are we going to recover
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: from this? So it was just, yeah, it took a while.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: It must have been soul crushing, and you've just put
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: into perspective for me, something that's been happening quite a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: lot lately is album leaks or single leaks and things
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: like I never really took into account how much it
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: affects the artist.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, it's weird. It's weird because like on one hand,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: so so on one hand, we're heartbroken because at that point,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: this is before streaming, So it's before streaming, so you
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: really need that kind of like the element of people
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that are just excited and there's no other way to
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: hear it than to go out and buy it. And
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: so at that point that's the way the industry worked.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: And so it was like you didn't want something to
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: leak because it took away that element of surprise. And
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: also you spend a bunch of money making it, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: so you want to make that money back or even
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: have the label make the money back. So all that sucked,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: but there was sort of like silver linings to it
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: in a sense, like I remember, I remember we played
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: we did a tour of England before the record came out,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and I remember the London show was London show is
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: incredible on that tour and it was sold out and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: we came out and played a bunch of songs from
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Love and it was not out yet, but every single
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: person in the audience knew every word and they were
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: singing like every word every song, and so it was like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: this sucks is the record lead, but this is pretty
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: awesome that these people all know the songs that they're
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: into it. So it was it just kind of you
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: just have to reframe it, you know, how you think
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, definitely, it's good that you could take
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: something good away from it, I suppose.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: And what we know what.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Kind of influenced you guys at the very start, what
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: bands influenced you guys? But at the moment, what music
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: are you guys listening to and liking?
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I think Josh is still the very much, and I
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: wish he was here to tell you all the cool
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: rock bands he listens to because he has such like
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: his ear to the ground in that department so much.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I'm really more at this point, I mostly listened to
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: like film music and rap for the most part. So
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: it's it's gonna sound really cliche, but really, my favorite
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: artist for the last couple of years has been Kendrick
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Lamar And I know that's like the most probably cliche
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: thing anybody could say, but I think there's a reason
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: for that. And but you know, I do think that
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I've noticed very I've noticed just to TikTok and a
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: lot of other things that it seems like the youth
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: are starting to really appreciate guitar music again or in
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a new way. And it's pretty exciting to see to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: see a bunch of like sixteen seventeen year olds on
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: TikTok that are like playing guitar and playing really well
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: and like have like are into failure and into all
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: these bands you'd be like, how did you find out
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: about that? Or like how is hum so big now?
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: And stuff like that. So I feel like there does
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of hope. I feel really
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: good about it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I think I've noticed a huge resurgence in
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: you know, all the bands that we might have liked
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: ten twenty years ago. And it's great to see, isn't it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: And with Kendrick, he's the greatest. Yeah, So I totally
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: feel you with that.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: He's a great wrapper. If I need to choose Brett.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: We can't wait for July.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time today.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much. Appreciate it.