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Iowa DNR Meetings and Hunting Controversy | Episode 14 · DuckFellas Podcast

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Welcome back to the Duckfellas Podcast, episode 15. And we got Fuki back.
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Hey, guys. What is up, my guy? It's good to be here.
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Anyways, fuck that guy.
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Damn. Bro. Wow. Gotta let him rip right away. I guess. My God.
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So how you been, Fuki? I was so pumped to see both of you.
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To you guys tonight too i feel like it's been way too long and then just immediately
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i'm getting harassed oh it's yeah it's been too long all right i guess it does
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happen like that what have you been up to pookie nobody's nobody's seen you
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in a while work tired working in the cold,
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that uh that was no fun i know that feeling all too well oh look at that your
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acorn cow buddies are Sticking up for you. Yeah, good.
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Coming in for the defense. Be nice to Pookie. I need all the help I can get.
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See, told you your fans missed you. Got to give the people what they want.
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It's all right, guys. I'm back. Don't worry.
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I'm sure the last one sucked. Whoa!
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Maybe a little bit. The last one kind of sucked because Zach was here.
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Fair point. Poor guy. No hope.
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So, what do you have going on there, Cade? Oh, just working on race car shit now.
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It's pretty much like we get done racing, I flip the switch to hunting season,
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and then get done with hunting season, and I flip the switch right back to race car shit.
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It's just a nonstop grind, dude.
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Yeah, that sounds terrible. Just a constant cycle of spending a shitload of money.
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Yes, yes. I just got part of my engine bill back today, and I was like, Yeah,
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that one sucks. I am financially irresponsible. Let's go buy a new shotgun.
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That's a good idea. It is. It's a great idea. Got any ideas on what you're going to buy yet?
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I'm leaning towards the Maxis. I don't know which one I want to get.
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The Wicked Wing is sexy. I'm going to be so mad if you get it before I do.
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Honestly, I've heard a lot of good things about the Weatherbeast,
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too. I was looking at those at Shields. They're substantially cheaper.
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Have you talked to Dawson about the G-Force?
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Yeah, I shot his, and I'm sure I could get used to it, but I didn't love it.
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I shot it one day out in Altoona, and I was like, eh.
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Your gun you got now is a gas gun, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, that makes it a little
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harder to get used to the Minertia guns. Mm-hmm.
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If you don't have it shouldered just right, it will not cycle.
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Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have any problems with that, but just...
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Probably just from it being gas to inertia, it was... It felt so fucking weird. Mm-hmm.
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Well, I should be closing on the house on Friday. Good news.
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Good news. Fingers crossed. Straight to homeless.
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I can't wait to be homeless, honestly. I know Ellie's looking forward to it.
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She's been just sleeping on random people's couches anyways.
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Well, if you need us, don't call us. No, I definitely don't plan on calling you. Yeah, good, good.
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Little to no help.
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Let's move into like some of the news around the hunting world right now.
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Regular waterfowl season is coming to a close here pretty quick all over the country.
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I know the Central Flyway goose season is still open. I think that goes to like
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the 15th of February or so.
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And everyone else is switching gears to little white devils.
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Yeah, the white devils. That's another interesting topic right now.
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All the controversy.
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Yeah I'd say there's Quite a bit of that right now,
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I haven't had much time to look into it So you're gonna have to Take the reign,
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So obviously they had the What is it?
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World Championship Snuggles hunt What do they call it nowadays?
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I think it's something like that.
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So every team I guess I'm not too hip on it either But every team has a judge
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that gets assigned to them that goes out with them on their hunt to make sure
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there's no cheating and that everything goes well.
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So it was a group of younger guys. Like, I think the oldest guy was 20.
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So all pretty young group of guys won the contest with 94 or 96 birds.
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But supposedly they did not tag their birds correctly, which I think is,
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To me, in the conservation season, I mean, why do your birds need to be tagged?
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Because as long as all the birds are with you, you can kill as many as you want,
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basically however you want.
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Yeah, that doesn't really make sense. Like you're saying, there's no limit, obviously.
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They have a judge with them. I don't understand why you would have to tag them.
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Right. I mean, maybe just to make sure that they don't stop and kill a couple
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or pick a couple up in a ditch on the way back to max sherrywings?
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The judge would know that, right?
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But it depends on if he's riding a different vehicle or not.
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There are 10-man teams, so I don't think everybody can fit in one vehicle.
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Right, but you would still know when you leave the field what you have for him.
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How many do you have? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, I don't know. It's a huge deal right now for the Snow Goose guys that competed in that.
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I know Web's – I've seen a post. Webb's Sporting Goods is stepping up and putting
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something together for what they're calling the real winners.
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So, it's pretty bad.
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Max is taking a huge hit right now just because they just got bought out by
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the same people that own Bass Pro and Cabela's.
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Yeah. So they're saying, like a lot of people are saying it was rigged,
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set up, they wanted, who they wanted to win.
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And those guys, I think only had two or three less birds. Like I think I've
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seen a number of 92s, what their total bird kill count was.
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So it wasn't like it was a landslide victory for the kids. And then these guys
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were just happened to show up with a few birds and ended up winning.
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Right I don't know we'll see
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what comes out with it but I that's I seen
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that last night and I was like wow that is wild yeah I'll
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be curious to see like what continues to come out with this and maybe if it
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wasn't a rule specifically for this competition or something like that where
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even though it was in the like where it doesn't really matter to tag birds but
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maybe that was a rule like when they entered this competition yeah that that caused all this,
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that's the only way it really makes sense, honestly.
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It has to be something like that. I mean, I guess, I don't know,
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I don't really snow goose hunt anymore, but maybe we did it wrong when we did do it.
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We never tagged our birds down there for transport. I mean, you can kill as
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many as you want and more or less however you want, so why would you worry about
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tagging them? Yeah, no shit.
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Seems like a lot of extra work. Yeah.
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Yeah, but anyway, I mean, Hats off to the guys that ended up winning it,
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and then hats off to the younger group of guys that got, I guess,
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I don't know if they got disqualified completely, but, I mean, still a good day.
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You kill 90 birds in a day, that's pretty awesome.
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Yeah, that's pretty badass. We definitely could have done that goose wars if
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we would have been able to.
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Yeah. Now, that would have been wild. I mean, 90 honkers in a hunt, that's crazy.
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90 snow geese is cool but not near as
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cool as 90 honkers would be no 90 yeah that
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would be disgusting this poor garage would look like a
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pillow factory dude i'd be sick when it came to cleaning birds i don't know
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i wouldn't be able to make it no we definitely would have like had to make everybody
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that was involved come help like oh you're not sticking the three of us or i
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think Zach came over too.
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So four of us with 90 birds. Can you imagine that?
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Absolutely. Terrible. Terrible.
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Obviously, flooded corn is a raging topic still.
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All over Facebook and social media. I mean, it's going crazy right now still.
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I don't look to see it die off for a while. I look to see it be a big issue
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for the whole entire offseason and if not in the duck season next year. Oh, it'll go.
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Until something changes or it doesn't change and it gives people a reason to
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shut up, it's just going to keep going until something happens. Yeah.
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I mean, it's going to take a pretty big study by some pretty reputable biologists
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to come out and say, that is not the problem.
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Or, yeah, no, that's the problem. Let's fix it. yeah even
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then do you guys feel like you heard less about
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it though when the south guys
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just got all that weather and just got a massive push of
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birds because i feel like for that week
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where they were just getting hammered with snow and it seemed like everyone
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that i follow or or watch from the south were just absolutely murdering birds
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down there and for a week straight i didn't hear anything about flooded corn. I've still seen it.
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Yeah, I personally don't pay much attention to the down south stuff,
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but I still saw plenty of memes making fun of it. Yeah. Uh,
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I don't know. I talked to a few guys down there that said they didn't really
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see an influx in birds, but then you got some people that say they did see some. Who knows?
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I mean, obviously, we're not there, so I don't know if you guys know anybody
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down there that hunts. Mm-mm. Nope.
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Trash. I know. But while we're on that topic, Pookie, since you weren't here
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last week, let's hear a little bit of your input on flooded corn and your take
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on it, just quick. Oh, gosh.
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I'm so tainted in this subject because all I have to listen to is you two with it.
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So do I think that it affects birds? Yeah, absolutely.
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I do. Like, is somebody going to actually put in the time to do the study and come out and say that?
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Who knows? It's going to have to be somebody a lot more important than us and
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with a lot more money and time than we have. That's a fucking fact.
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I don't know. If Cade would just quit spending money on race car stuff,
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Maybe he could help fund that study. That would definitely help for sure.
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You know, for a fact that if I quit spending money on your words here,
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my beer money, if I quit spending money on that, I just spend it on duck hunting shit. You know, this.
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That sounds like a way better plan. Yeah, but I wouldn't spend it on that.
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I'd spend it on boats and shit.
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Boats and hoes. We have to have something to do during the summertime.
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That is fair. That is fair.
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Yeah. Yeah. Another one that I've seen kind of step into the light recently has been motion decoys.
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I know we played on touching on that here towards the end of the episode.
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But I've started to see people ask, like, why are these still legal or why are
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they banned? in certain areas. Yeah.
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That's starting to become an argument in that. It seems like more and more.
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I feel like motion decoys are like how cell cams were like a couple years ago,
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where it's just this big wave and then you'll see individual states start to
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ban them and then everybody just kind of collectively goes in or kind of follows suit with it. Yeah.
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The worst thing is like I've always hunted places that you can use that shit
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so I have no experience without it.
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Yeah, I've never hunted anywhere you can't use them.
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Well, let's jump into this episode here.
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We're going to talk a little bit about some of the springtime meetings coming up for the Iowa DNR.
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It's kind of a thing that a lot of people, once hunting season's over,
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they just forget about it.
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And then come October, they're like, oh shit, it's hunting season and go right
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back to it and right back to bitching about the same stuff.
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Yep. And they say, oh, I wish they'd change this. Well, nothing's ever going
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to change until we go out and do something about it or voice your opinion in
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person to some people that have the power to make changes.
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I know the DNR is going to be conducting a series of meetings here.
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Was it the beginning of March we talked about?
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Yes. I think it's early March. We don't have exact dates yet,
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but I know as soon as we get those, we'll get a little spreadsheet built up
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and put it on here for display and on our page.
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We will blast that shit.
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100%. Nobody that follows us or is in touch with Iowa hunting will have the
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excuse that they didn't see it. I like that.
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I mean, the biggest thing is these meetings are, it's a way for everyone to
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get out there and make arguments towards any of the things that you want to see changed.
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Right. You know, bring some facts to the deal. Don't just show up and say,
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we don't want flooded corn. Cancel it.
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That's not quite how that works. Yeah, it's definitely not going to work.
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Or we want our season to start a month later.
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You got to have reasons why. Right. Or a little bit of facts or evidence.
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If you have photos and videos of just massive amounts of ducks in your area,
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either before the season starts or after the season starts, whatever you're
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for, whether it's earlier or after, then bring it with you. Show it to them.
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And the biggest thing is, too, Like, if you're wanting to make a month swing,
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that's probably a little too far out of touch.
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Like, you got to take it in smaller increments than that.
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Yeah. From what I've learned in the past, smaller bites, smaller nibbles at
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a time is your higher success rate when it comes to anything with the government.
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Yeah. Anything with the government. Mm-hmm.
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So let's start with Pookie here, just because I like picking on him.
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What is one thing that you'd like to see change in Iowa for waterfowl hunting?
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I don't necessarily know if I can or, like, have one thing specifically that
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I would like to see change.
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One thing that I think will change is how long our season is.
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Like, I think that'll be the first thing that we do see change.
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And I mean really yes it's less hunting but,
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I'm fine with it like I understand
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like why they would be doing it or the science
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that is behind the reasoning for it so to me being a very logical person and
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numbers and everything like I mean it makes sense when you think about it so
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yeah I don't necessarily know if there's like one thing that I'm like,
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oh yeah, no, I would really like to see this change, but I do think that our
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season will get shorter.
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Yeah, a lot of people are not going to like that. No. No.
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The thing is, though, like, obviously your number of days goes down,
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your opportunity goes down, but if they time it out right
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and you can get the season in that right kind of sweet spot where everybody's
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happy, I feel like that'd be better for everything, honestly.
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Better for the Ducks, better for our mental health.
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Yeah, that's going to be a thing, though, where we really got to push on them
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to where if the federal government is going to push that down the line to shorten
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the seasons in the flyways,
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then we'd like to have a voice in when the season starts, right?
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Right. So, I mean, the only way you're going to have that voice in it is by
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telling them, like, look, we've heard mumblings of this.
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Can you give us the proposed dates where if we go to a 45-day season or a 30-day
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season, what are you looking at for dates or what are you going off of to pick your dates? Right.
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So that'll be, I mean, I do see that possibly happening too.
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Who knows? I mean, I'm telling you.
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To me, really, like you're never going to please anyone anyways.
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So it's going to get shorter at some point, like whether we like it or not.
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Like I think that that's a very real thing and that's absolutely going to happen.
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But at the same time, like you're always going
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to have people that'll bitch and complain about it but they're
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the same people that you don't see out of the boat ramp when it's 10
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degrees outside and november so like we're gonna have people complain but how
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many like i would be curious to see what percentage of hunters actually maximize
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that whole 60 days even when it gets cold out even when it sucks like.
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There's 60 days and i know for a fact that there is
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not many people that hunt more than tyler anyways
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and you didn't even hunt all 60 days this year no
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i actually hunted honestly less this year than i did
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last year i'm pretty sure yeah still had
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just about as much time off but i mean there was a lot
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of days we just didn't go that kind
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of goes on the same thing too though like you and i are both completely against
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hunting in the rain what did we do this year every time it rained we were out
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duck hunting because we were like well we got nothing better to do beats sit
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on the couch let's go it yeah but i got smarter and i bought rain gear for that last year before,
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see my rain gear took a yeah yeah so i'm gonna put that on your bucket list
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of things to buy this summer also?
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Yes. Yes, absolutely. We may say we're not going in the rain.
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We will. We tend to almost always go in the rain. Yeah. We will.
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It's fucking terrible. Or the snow. That snow was so fucking wet.
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That was the heaviest snow. That was one of the heaviest snows that I've hunted
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in. I know we've talked about that before, but that was wild.
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It was snowing softballs.
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Wasn't it? Did my dad say gerbils?
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I forgot about that. Yeah. that was good,
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so what's did you ever touch on what you wanted to see change or what you thought might change,
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what I would like to see if it stays the way it is and this is something that we've talked about,
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before I feel like our lake I'm probably going to steal this from you so you
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should have went before me but I feel like our lake should be in the south zone
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it is the biggest lake in Iowa,
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that what I would love to see is everything gets pushed back a week.
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And then our lake gets shoved in a south zone. That would be ideal.
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Will it happen? Probably not. We might get one or the other.
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Yeah, I don't know. If we get enough people behind that, I think that is the
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one thing that's very possible for us to push through. Yeah.
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I mean, this is the year to make those changes. You have to make them this year.
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Otherwise, it's five years from now. Yeah.
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I was going to pick that one, but then I realized that one of you two jackasses
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would probably take that one, so I can pick my own. Ha ha ha ha ha,
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We'll touch more on yours here after this because I have that wrote down to
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really talk about and present because it's one of our biggest things we're all
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pushing for. And a lot of people we hunt with push for.
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Mine is I'd like to see the Iowa DNR come up with a way where we can track how
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many birds are actually harvested in Iowa a year and in like regions.
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Like say Riverton like all your big areas what is it Riverton Hawkeye Saylorville
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Red Rock yeah you got the areas over there in Mississippi drawing a blank on
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those for some reason right now,
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but I'd like to see a way for us to be able to track that better for harvest numbers to,
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help allocate funds properly to areas
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that are producing the most hunters and the
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highest number of birds harvested a year in general
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what you mean the the 10 plus that
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we put on the the hip registration isn't good
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enough but it helps out a ton for the
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guy that hunts three times a year right i mean
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i don't know you you can't you can't tell me that it wouldn't be super easy
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to add like four more options in each one of those questions because all of
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that data gets transmitted electronically through that app that goes
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immediately into a spreadsheet anyways.
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Like, I don't know.
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To me, that would be a really easy, like, realistic fix that we could have.
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Yeah, dude, you could literally do, like, the normal ones they have,
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but instead of 10+, you do, like, a 10 to 25, and then a 25 to 50.
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It wouldn't be that hard. Right.
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Or custom, then enter in your own number. Right.
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Yeah, so not everybody actually tracks all that too either.
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No. I would say you would definitely want to keep it in a range personally because
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I would rather have it in a range than people guess and guess wrong because
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then your numbers are more inaccurate in my opinion.
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So here's another thing, which August says this here.
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August Bach said Odessa had a country daily count board when you got back to the ramp.
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Yeah, so a daily count board, which keeps tracks of how much each party kills a day, I'm guessing.
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That's what I was going to talk about next was we had a setup similar back home
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where we had sign-in boxes.
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And in those boxes, there was kill cards, which you signed in.
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Each person that was hunting signed in that day, a time in and a time out.
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And then you filled out a little harvest card for each hunter.
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And it has every species of bird on there for ducks and geese.
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And you put down how many of each that you killed, and you submitted it in a little box.
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I mean, call me crazy, but I don't think that would be that hard for the biologist
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of that area to swing in there once a week, grab the cards.
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Here's an even crazier idea. They have these cool things called QR codes.
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You can do it all on your phone nowadays.
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Technology's wild. Yeah, dude, it'd be so easy for them. It wouldn't even be funny.
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You know what? I'll just set up the big whiteboard out at the ramp,
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and we'll just make everybody make tallies on it.
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There's Pookie. He's back. Yep.
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He just wants the whiteboard so he can sit behind it and huff the marker.
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Definitely getting the non-toxic ones out there. Yeah. I'm going to have to be child-friendly.
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I mean, I think that's our biggest downside right now in Iowa is we have no
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way to actually track birds.
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They put out these harvest reports every year, right?
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Where are they pulling those numbers from? I have no idea.
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It's just a guess. Yeah. It's just an approximate number by what people are
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putting down on their hip registration, I'm guessing.
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Yeah. I mean, like at Red Rock, you have the biologist there damn near every
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day testing for bird flu.
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So he has a rough idea, but it's not like he's digging through everybody's ducks
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like, hey, did you guys shoot your limit today?
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Yeah, but you know how many times I've told that guy we didn't kill shit because
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I didn't want him telling everybody else the boat ramp? Yeah.
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Because he does he'll tell you exactly how the party before you did exactly
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or five parties before him yeah I mean that guy with the white Ford over there
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how many did he shoot today?
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Well ten yeah yeah I mean I'm all for like figuring out what areas are doing
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the best so that we can allocate funds and or allocate resources to those areas
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or other areas that are doing worse to try and make the numbers better right? Right.
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But I'm not all about, I'm not like, I'm not going to sit there and tell everybody
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exactly how I do every single day.
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Like, I'll tell the state what we're doing every day so that we can figure that
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out. Unless it's that biologist.
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Yeah, but he's not our area's biologist. He's just there doing DNA testing. Yeah, that's true.
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Like, he's not assigned to our set area. The guy that's assigned to our area
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sits in that little shack up there, up the road from the boat ramp,
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and I don't ever see him leave.
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Anyways. Anywho. We'll move on from that, because that's just a whole other
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tale for a whole other time, probably. The DNR's knocking on our door.
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Yeah, no, it wouldn't be the first time.
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JK. Yeah, speak for yourself.
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I'll take that back. I did have them knock on my door one time,
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because they were there to do that inspection on the boat for the title.
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Yep, same. This year, actually. Didn't that take you like eight months to get back?
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Yeah, but he was off work. I'll give him a break. And he had to track that boat
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through like three or four different states. Yeah.
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That's wild. Fucking nightmare.
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The thing was attached to like South Dakota, North Dakota, Wisconsin,
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and Minnesota, I think. Yeah.
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That boat's seen a thing or two. Yes, and it's about to see a lot more.
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One thing i wanted to say real quick here is if you're if you're listening in
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you can watch live and add your,
29:40
input to the podcast as we do it on facebook or youtube if there's things that
29:46
you'd like to say i've seen we had some comments on spotify this past week,
29:51
I mean, I've responded to them, but I don't see those near as quick as I will
29:55
see them on here, or any of us will see them.
29:59
So, don't just keep that in the back of your mind. If you've got time on a Monday
30:02
night, swing in and listen in and throw out your comments or your hate. Preferably the hate.
30:12
Big end of the hate. Yes. So,
30:17
The The biggest one that I know we've all been pushing for And a lot of people
30:21
that hunt our area has been screaming Is that we'd like to see the waterfowl
30:24
zone change The borderlines for the south zone When they They came out in 2021,
30:31
Or 2020 With the new borders They were They were better A lot of people were
30:36
happy But then there were some of them Some of us that Weren't very happy A little disappointed,
30:43
What the What is that change that we're looking to have?
30:47
You want to touch into that, one of you two, a little bit?
30:50
You got it, Pookie. Let it rip.
30:53
Yeah, so essentially just adding our lake into the south zone.
30:58
With, honestly, whatever configuration they will let us, and by all standards,
31:05
the easier the better for all people.
31:09
So it's definitely going to have to be a paved road for that hard line that splits zones.
31:15
I know that we've made a couple different maps of it as well to where the central
31:22
and south zone will split,
31:25
but I mean, it's hard for, I guess I would say for sure us as a group,
31:31
because we're definitely more focused on the central and south,
31:35
and not so much on the north, because we personally don't hunt up there a bunch, but,
31:41
Yeah, I mean, just if we could push Red Rock into the south zone.
31:50
The maps that we have is very attainable for that to happen.
31:55
Yeah, and I feel like a lot of people that hunt Red Rock would absolutely love it.
32:00
Trent commented here that he'd like to see the Mississippi River in the South Zone.
32:05
The problem, Trent, is that none of you Mississippi River guys can ever agree on anything at all.
32:13
Every time I hear people talk about it, it's like 50-50 on people against it
32:19
or for it. But me personally, I think you're right.
32:21
I think it should be all in the south zone, just like the Missouri River is.
32:24
I mean, they're the same thing.
32:27
Mississippi River is actually a bigger river. Mm-hmm.
32:30
And they don't, it doesn't freeze. I mean, hardly ever anymore. Yeah.
32:36
I know. So, like, on those border changes, I have it pulled up here.
32:41
Like Pookie was saying, it's got to be, like, pretty much easy lines to go off of.
32:46
We've got two proposals that we are taking
32:49
to the DNR this year Option one is
32:52
So the south zone borderline runs highway
32:55
92 across Iowa And so this one would go northwest off of 92 along highway 5
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Up to Carlisle And then it would continue north on highway 65 to 163 Where it
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would then follow 163 all the way back down to 92,
33:15
That's one option, it's a smaller section that we're splitting off,
33:19
a little bit harder to follow line, I think, personally. I think that one's
33:23
going to be harder to get through.
33:25
The other option is, as you're coming across 92, when you hit Indianola,
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you go straight north on Highway 65 to meet up with Highway 565, the bypass,
33:39
and then come down 163 to 92, just like Option 1 on the second half.
33:44
But I think that one is a lot easier line to follow.
33:49
Right. I would agree, for sure.
33:52
Because really it's going to boil down to how hard does it make the DNR to enforce
33:57
these laws and follow these borders?
34:02
Yeah, because if it's a pain in the ass, they are not going to go for it.
34:06
No. No, if it makes their job harder, they're not about it. Yeah,
34:10
and I don't blame them. Yeah, I mean, I don't like my job being harder.
34:14
Right, which the DNR is actually, so like how we're set up out of post,
34:20
the DNR, which makes no sense to me personally,
34:24
even though they're not under our umbrella of the DPS,
34:28
like they are a state agency as well, but how we're
34:31
set up in post they're set up in districts that do not match
34:34
up with our posts so like for me
34:37
to try to understand that like really really confuses me because i know all
34:41
the dnr guys around here obviously i work around them every single day too but
34:46
like to comprehend that their district is essentially the same as ours but it's
34:54
a different number i'm like why,
34:57
You're making this very hard on me.
35:00
Nobody cares if it's hard on you. Yeah, I guess not.
35:04
I won't help anymore. Boom roasted. Damn.
35:12
Now, it's been a thing happening for a while.
35:15
I know a lot of guys that hunt our area are for this, and a lot of guys that
35:20
goose hunt in general, that don't duck hunt, are for this. So we've got a lot
35:25
of people in the, in the yay section for it.
35:29
I don't know how many are in the nay for it. Cause I just, people don't respond
35:32
to when it comes to stuff like this.
35:35
Right.
35:38
But if you would like, and if you are able to attend those meetings in March,
35:44
I can send over or you can reach out to any of us and we can send over the document,
35:50
with all the stuff we have in that doc regarding this zone change and the reasons why we want it.
35:57
It'll be awesome if we can get people at every single meeting throughout the state of Iowa this year.
36:03
At least one person would be huge yeah you know if there's if there's people
36:08
putting that bug in their ear constantly and constantly annoying them they're
36:12
gonna they're gonna look into figuring out how they can fix this or get people
36:16
off their ass yeah the age old term squeaky wheel gets to grease,
36:20
we just gotta find the right squeaky wheel.
36:24
August keeps asking why won't 20 and north work then 20 and 80 then 80 south
36:31
easy simple and splits two huge water sources.
36:35
The reason that won't work, August, is because certain people fought years ago
36:41
to get the Missouri River put in the south zone, so they made a whole other
36:45
zone for it when it was north and south, and they called it the Missouri River Zone.
36:50
And now they want three zones, so they turned north, central,
36:54
south, and they included the whole Missouri River in the south zone.
37:00
So, I don't know. I don't know how they pick their lines. Yeah,
37:05
if you were going to use 80 as a split, it would definitely make sense to just
37:09
have two zones at that point.
37:11
Like, just go back to two zones if you were going to split it at 80.
37:14
80 is close enough to the middle of the state.
37:18
That would make the most sense.
37:20
I would, if we could, if we went to two zones, I wonder if we could have two splits.
37:25
If we didn't, say we stayed on the 60-day season, and if we went to two zones,
37:31
north and south, and then we included, we could make the borders whatever we
37:34
wanted for the rivers, if we could have two splits in a year.
37:38
That'd be sweet. Because that would be cool. Mm-hmm.
37:41
And I would be all for having, say, 80 be the split line for north and south,
37:47
and then you have whatever it is now for the river over there in Missouri and
37:51
then let the Mississippi River guys just have whatever the hell they want.
37:57
But that would be I mean I think you'd get all people in support of that.
38:02
Yeah it used to be two zones for years August but they changed that was like
38:07
10, 15 years ago now they changed that.
38:10
August is old enough he definitely remembers that. Right.
38:15
Yeah. Chad asked where the meetings are.
38:18
I don't know where the meetings are for this year.
38:23
I know in the past they have them kind of randomly all over the state and it's
38:27
usually all within a week, I believe.
38:29
I think it's like, it's either five consecutive days and then a few more days
38:33
the next week or something like that. And they kind of scatter them all over.
38:38
I can do some work with that and figure out the dates, times,
38:41
location for that. We'll put it out on a post. Yeah, for sure.
38:46
Yeah, that way we can And kind of get it out to you guys. As soon as we hear
38:49
something, we'll get it out there.
38:51
The DNR will post it on their page, too. They normally do, at least.
38:55
From what I've seen in the years past. And there's usually somebody that shares
38:58
it in Iowa Waterfowlers, which most of us are in. Yes.
39:06
Old dad had to get the juices flowing in there again this week, I saw.
39:12
You just had to get the juices flowing in Iowa waterfowlers again this week. Well, yeah, yeah.
39:17
Somebody's got to do it. I mean, God, everybody's just being boring lately.
39:21
The hunting season's over. Let's just be lame.
39:26
Grow up. Grow up.
39:32
We talk shit year-round here. That is a fact.
39:37
It actually probably gets worse after season. It does, indeed.
39:41
Poor Pookie. That dude's cooked.
39:49
I'm surprised he still shows up, honestly. I don't blame him for taking a two-week
39:54
hiatus because he does get ripped on.
39:57
24-7. Mental health reasons. Yeah, no, I get it. What'd your therapist say?
40:03
Yeah, that I shouldn't be friends with you guys anymore.
40:07
What a loser that guy is. I know. I know.
40:11
Tell him to man up. To touch on that doc that you had mentioned earlier as well
40:17
too, like we want to hear from everyone, like the good and bad to both sides of it.
40:22
Because, I mean, there's obviously stuff that like we don't think about or like
40:27
we don't take into consideration too.
40:29
So with what Cade was saying about like the people that are nay against it,
40:34
how they don't say anything, like no we want to hear those things
40:37
that way we can make those changes to it
40:40
and i mean this doesn't this isn't just
40:43
to benefit us this is to benefit all of the
40:46
hunters in the state of iowa like we just want to make it better in general
40:50
too so any like recommendations i mean i mean this tyler probably might but
40:57
like no question is dumb so no there are stupid questions yeah i knew it I knew that. Yeah.
41:04
They're stupid questions, but it's okay. You can ask them.
41:08
Yeah. I mean, reach out. Cause like if, if people don't say it and we don't think of it,
41:14
then good chance it's not going on that dock and it's not going to be something
41:19
that like could potentially be presented within legislation.
41:24
Absolutely. Definitely.
41:28
Definitely. I mean, this is the year to step up and voice your opinion.
41:32
You know, don't slack around and come again next season. You're bitching and
41:39
moaning about the same thing.
41:40
I mean, you can still bitch and moaning if you went out there and tried to make
41:44
the change or voiced your opinion.
41:47
But just with all the controversy, like more so not in our states and everything
41:53
about the flooded corn and everything and how, like,
41:56
these legislators from other states and the DNR from other states are, like, just constantly,
42:03
people are just at them all the time.
42:04
Like, I feel like this is probably, if not our best, one of our better opportunities
42:09
to actually, like, get shit done that we want to see get done. Yeah, I would agree.
42:18
Definitely, definitely look forward to seeing and what we can come up with this offseason.
42:23
Between working with the DNR and hopefully, hopefully we have the ISC to help
42:27
us navigate certain avenues when it comes time.
42:32
Yes, sir. Moving on, we will step into some motion decoys and should they be banned?
42:40
This is a great topic to have August in the comments for, cause he's hunted for like 95 years.
42:46
He's seen motion decoys and no motion decoys.
42:51
Oh, 95 years. Dang, that had to hurt, August. You are old as shit.
42:58
Judging by his typing, he's driving down the road again.
43:03
He's probably using voice to text. Oh, I definitely thought he was just like
43:08
sitting at his kitchen table, just one finger in that thing.
43:12
Do you think he's using a typewriter to type it out and then he's scanning it in somehow? I hope so.
43:19
Poor guy. He can't even defend himself. I mean, he can, but it's going to take him 17 business days.
43:24
Dude, this podcast will be over, and we'll be through the next one before he responds.
43:33
I did see something on this. So Jason commented, need to raise the sales tax and fund iWill.
43:40
I didn't ever know about this until I seen something Facebook the other day
43:45
about iWill and how iWill passed it, but hasn't raised the sales tax to fund it yet.
43:53
And that was years ago that it passed. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
43:59
I mean, I don't know all the facts on that. I have to do some looking into that
44:02
unless somebody else that's in the comments knows more about it.
44:05
But I did see that where they just, they got passed, but we were not funding it.
44:11
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all. No. No.
44:17
Yeah, we're not putting that one on the screen. No, I think we'll pass on that one. Yeah.
44:23
Took him a while to respond, though. That typewriter's fucking smoking right now.
44:27
I will say, though, he at least typed all the words outright.
44:32
Oh, that's impressive. You could actually read it.
44:35
Jason Ryan did say they voted on it in 2010.
44:39
Oh, my gosh. That's a long... Jason Ryan was in high school in 2010.
44:44
Dude, you guys were still, like, what? Shit in your pants? Shit in your diapers
44:48
in 2010? Wait, you guys stopped?
44:52
I was definitely in school in 2010. I'm trying to think what I was. I would have been 12.
44:59
Good night. Jesus.
45:03
Grow up. Motion decoys, Cade. Should they be banned?
45:08
I don't know that they... Whoa, what do you got? What do you got?
45:10
Let's just say, when you talk about it, what kind of motion decoys should we band?
45:17
See, the only thing that I would say, obviously we use them.
45:22
We have multiple different styles of them. We've got swimmers,
45:26
we've got mallard machines, we've got spinners.
45:29
We've got a pulsator that doesn't work. Two of them that don't work.
45:33
Two of them that don't work.
45:35
The only thing that i would i would say not like
45:38
totally banning motion decoys in general but
45:42
if they were gonna ban them i would love to see some
45:44
of the shit that they would come out with if you just ban the motors don't ban
45:48
the motion just ban the motors i think that would be seeing some of the shit
45:52
especially nowadays with technology some of the macgyver shit that would come
45:56
out of some of these just like all wind driven stuff then are you saying like like no motors at all.
46:03
Just seeing how innovative they could get with,
46:06
I mean, I guess we use motion when there isn't wind, really.
46:12
Right, but you think about a jerk string. That's not motorized. Right.
46:17
There's been a million different ways that people build pulley systems and they
46:21
have a whole spread of detoys that move.
46:24
But I feel like we're going the opposite direction of that. Oh, yeah.
46:28
Everything is going motorized. Even jerk strings now have those motorized pullers
46:33
and everything on them. I feel like we're going the- Those things are awesome.
46:38
Yes, they are. Those things are wild. Yeah. But I feel like when it comes to
46:43
the argument of motion decoys being banned, I think most people are talking about spinners.
46:49
So if you get rid of, like you're talking motorized decoys, you still got the
46:55
wind-driven spinner, or you got some now that are on a pull cord,
46:59
like a jerk string type thing that people are using.
47:02
I've seen that, and I'm like, holy shit, that's awesome. yeah we're gonna start
47:06
poking holes on the side of the boat line defeated jerk strings I think we should anyway,
47:13
I was thinking we'd just put Pookie outside and he can just have like six strings
47:16
tied to him and he can just start going crazy over there son of a bitch I'm
47:20
in be like the kid in Home Alone where he's just like pulling everything,
47:24
I'm having my own dance party in the decoys leave me alone I don't know why
47:28
the birds are flaring guys we gotta get him one of those I think you had one
47:32
great big mallard hat I did I threw it away.
47:35
Yeah, we got to get in one of those.
47:36
Just let them go out there and have a freaking disco party. I'll do it.
47:41
It helps. I'll do it. But I will order it right now off of Amazon.
47:48
Yeah, but like I said when I started that thing, we use all kinds of different motorized decoys.
47:53
I'm obviously not saying we should get rid of them, but I feel like if they
47:58
do get rid of them, they should just ban the motors and let people get creative.
48:02
Right. Yeah, no, I mean, you're definitely going to see some redneck ingenuity
48:07
if you ban this stuff, right?
48:09
Or if you get rid of, even just say you get rid of motion decoys like motorized,
48:13
like you're talking about, you're going to see some MacGyver stuff like you've never seen before.
48:18
You even kind of see it nowadays. Like Higdon does some pretty cool shit with
48:21
wind-driven stuff and pole cord stuff.
48:25
Yeah, yeah. How about that AVNX splasher that everybody was raving about that
48:29
wouldn't shut off? Yeah. Yeah, honestly.
48:33
Constantly just doing the 6-7 thing.
48:37
I didn't even think about that, David. I will say, though, like,
48:41
what I've heard about those things is that when they're in the water, they look amazing.
48:46
I have heard that, too. They do. August has some. We hunted over them one day
48:51
this year. And honestly, like, it was starting to ice up.
48:55
And that thing kept a pretty decent little hole open. I was pretty surprised.
48:59
Was it better than the Mallard machine? Hell no.
49:02
Yeah, fuck that thing, man. No, we need five of those. Yeah,
49:06
that's definitely on the list of more shit to purchase for next year.
49:11
So, James put up a comment here. Why not have all campers and people that use
49:16
public areas be, I'm guessing, in charge of the habitat fee to raise money to
49:22
improve public areas and waterways? Ooh.
49:27
A tough one because then you're relying on fundraisers
49:31
stuff like that and people to actually put it on so in
49:34
theory i think that that is a good
49:37
idea my only worry would be all right
49:41
so if you're gonna charge a fee like how
49:45
many like less people are
49:48
you gonna get to come out and do it then for that additional fee
49:51
like are some of these public areas just not gonna get
49:54
used because people don't want to pay that extra fee or how is that going to
49:58
work i don't think so i don't know if you know many people that camp but they
50:02
are fucking diehards oh yeah that doesn't matter if it costs them five grand
50:06
they're going camping no thank you that's because you live in it now,
50:12
no i don't it's parks still i don't know that could be it's an interesting way
50:18
to look at it though, to raise money for certain areas. Yeah.
50:23
August says that AvianX is badass, but I remember him bitching about it one
50:27
day that he had an issue with it.
50:29
I can't remember exactly what it was. In seven business years,
50:32
he'll reply and tell us what it was.
50:34
You could give that guy a turd and 20 bucks to talk about it and say,
50:38
hey, talk about how great this turd is, and he would say it's awesome. Yep.
50:42
Just kidding. This is the best piece of shit.
50:49
Thank you.
50:50
My opinion on the motion decoys, I don't see a problem with a lot of them.
50:57
I mean, I don't really know if they should be banned either.
50:59
I don't know if I agree with banning them because just don't use them.
51:04
If they're not working, don't use it.
51:06
Yeah, and like you were saying, I mean, most of this shit's about the spinners.
51:10
If they were going to ban the spinners, they should have done it when they first
51:13
started coming off the shelves.
51:15
Right. And even then, even if we ban them here, every Tom, Dick,
51:20
and Harry that goes to Canada is still going to have one like they do now.
51:23
I mean, they don't even put out duck decoys up there. They just put out a few
51:25
goose decoys and a couple spinners. Well, like 15. Yeah.
51:31
Every bird coming towards us has already seen everything that we have.
51:37
Yeah. I don't know. That mallard machine's kind of slept on.
51:40
I don't know of many people that use them, actually. No.
51:44
You're giving away our secrets now.
51:48
I agree with Trent on this. He says, ban them so I don't have to worry about
51:52
them. Facts, buddy. One less thing to charge every day.
51:56
I do remember you saying that on a previous episode. You were like,
51:59
I wish they'd just fucking banned Spinner so I wouldn't even have to think about them anymore.
52:02
I mean, I'm not saying I'd be mad if they banned them. I'm just saying I don't
52:06
think they really need to.
52:07
No. I don't think it's going to change anything if we're talking about improving the hunting quality.
52:13
Right. I think there's a lot more things we can fix rather than,
52:16
eh, fuck that, get rid of it. Yeah.
52:20
But if you tell them that, they might just do it.
52:24
Yeah. Let's take the easy route. Yep.
52:30
Anything else you guys want to add on the motion decoys? Nobody go buy a mallard
52:35
machine. They suck. That's my thing.
52:37
Yeah. Everybody go just sell all your motion decoys in general.
52:42
They're getting banned.
52:45
You're going to get us canceled before we even take off. What do you mean?
52:50
We were canceled on episode one. That is true.
52:56
I'll take this time too to say we are joking 50% of the time at least the other
53:02
50% of the time we are dead serious I would say if you hear one of us laugh
53:07
we're fucking around yeah yeah probably,
53:11
but if you have anything you'd like to add in the comment section before we
53:14
do wrap this episode up make sure you go ahead and do that in the next few minutes
53:19
before we wrap this shit up,
53:23
free roast time on anybody you want. Woo!
53:28
I know who August is picking. Yeah. We won't see it, though.
53:31
It's going to take him 10 minutes to type that.
53:36
I've got fat fingers. Leave me alone. That poor guy. He's not even on the podcast just getting ripped.
53:43
Who is that guy? I couldn't agree more with that. We'll go ahead and...
53:49
Oh, we pulled it up at the same time. Yep.
53:53
Cade sucks and Tyler's ugly. What about Pookie, Zach? What, you're just leaving this guy out?
53:58
Take it a little deeper, why don't you? I would say that he's picking on people
54:01
that have all their fingers, but he didn't pick on Pookie.
54:07
August says the old Mallard machines were awesome. What were the old ones?
54:12
Like, were they different styles?
54:13
It was basically the same thing. I mean, it had a little bit stronger motor,
54:17
but it had a push button that you ran off a car battery.
54:21
He's still got one. They were fucking sick.
54:25
Thing is like you could you could bounce it like mine does or you could hold
54:29
it down and make it look like it was like actually going down to get food oh
54:34
like actually diving down yeah did you say a car battery though yes yeah so
54:39
you had to bring a car battery with you to run that thing yes,
54:44
oh rick says you need to learn to shoot cade he actually said shot you can't
54:49
type either no that's We knew what he meant. No, we get it.
54:54
Oh, yeah. And Zach also brings up a little soundbite. Let's hear it. No.
54:58
Come on. Get that Bay country out. Let us hear a cluck or two.
55:01
No. I'm not used to it yet. Maybe next week. Whisper me sweet nothings, please.
55:07
How about Zach comes over here and blows a call first? All right, I'm out. I'm out.
55:15
I'll save that for our calling tips and tricks episode.
55:19
Yeah, I'm going to be busy for that one. Because we did find out last week we
55:23
were dicking around after the podcast, and it actually doesn't sound bad through
55:26
the microphone. Oh, hell yeah.
55:29
I didn't mean it. I swear. I did.
55:36
No, those actually, when you were calling into that mic last week,
55:39
it didn't blow your eardrums out and sounded actually pretty clear.
55:43
And that was crazy because I have the mixer set up, And the first time I didn't turn it down at all.
55:51
It was funny, like I was, I blew it directly into the microphone.
55:56
I kept like looking at Tyler and I just did like one cluck and he didn't move.
56:00
And I'm like, oh, it must not be that bad.
56:03
Yeah, no, it wasn't bad. I kept my headphones on the whole time.
56:06
I was expecting him to go, Jesus Christ.
56:09
I did turn my volume down on the laptop before we like that. Just in case.
56:16
That's funny. That's the cool thing, though. Like you can just turn it down, turn it up.
56:21
For sure way easier than mine set up here yeah that is fair,
56:28
but I think that about does it for this episode um,
56:33
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