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FMF: Everything, Everywhere, All At Once · Stuff Mom Never Told You

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not come to Stephane.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Never told you protection of I Heart Radio. So it
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: is time for this month's edition of feminist Movie Friday. Uh,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: it is going to be slightly different. First of all,
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: it comes with a spoiler alert because we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be talking about the very recent movie Everything Everywhere, All
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  Speaker 1: at Once, which just came out on streaming. Though I
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  Speaker 1: believe you had to buy it, which I did. Um,
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: but I could be wrong, but I did buy any
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: just like what I'm like, if I love a movie enough,
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I take it. And as I told Samantha,
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: this movie is sort of hard to spoil. It's hard
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  Speaker 1: to explain. However, I did do it, so I guess
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: if you really don't want to be spoiled, I it
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  Speaker 1: will spoil you. I mean since we're talking in detail. Yes,
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: but it's still worth watching all yes, um, And if
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  Speaker 1: you haven't watched it, you should go watched it immediately
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  Speaker 1: unless there's a reason you can't go to the theater
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  Speaker 1: or rent it, which I know that exists and I
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  Speaker 1: get that so absolutely. But if you're not limited and
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  Speaker 1: are privileged enough to go to or see it, you
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  Speaker 1: need to right now, stop this right now, plastic. You
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  Speaker 1: can watch it and can then come back. Please come back,
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: don't don't abandon us. Come back. Yes, And we were
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  Speaker 1: fortunately enough to seed in theaters. I actually saw theaters.
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  Speaker 1: Was because she went without me. I feel betrayed. I did,
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  Speaker 1: but I admitted it to you. And I have some
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  Speaker 1: friends who I would have tried to lie to you
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  Speaker 1: to about it, and I have done that. I hope
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  Speaker 1: they're not listening. But now start to be suspicious. Was
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  Speaker 1: at me, and you won't be surprised. You will not
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  Speaker 1: be surprised. But I don't think I think that you do,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure I've told you. But I admitted it,
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  Speaker 1: so that's a show of trust. But we did go
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  Speaker 1: see it in theaters. There was a bit of a
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: snaff who with the seating situation. Oh man, I got
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: real boomerish on this one. Sorry Boomers. And I say
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  Speaker 1: this as I'm a stickler for rules, or maybe I'm
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: just a libra to the core. In this realm, I
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  Speaker 1: was fairly stubborn and I really wanted to find some
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  Speaker 1: teenagers because I'm like, you're in my seat, and that
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  Speaker 1: we had to move because we were displaced because we
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: were in the wrong seat. I was very upset, yes,
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  Speaker 1: but other than that, it was a pretty excellent theater
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  Speaker 1: experience in terms of, like, this is a great movie
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  Speaker 1: to see in theaters. Um I did. There was a
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  Speaker 1: trailer for it for another a movie, Men, which I
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  Speaker 1: have now seen. You I have, Yes, I have, and
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  Speaker 1: the teenagers as you call them, behind us teenagers they
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  Speaker 1: saved the world. I remember after that trailer was over,
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: they said, is that a movie just about our men? Suck? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite part was like it's like one girl to
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  Speaker 1: three guys and they were just all obviously very good friends,
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: and they were all like, yeah, yeah, I want an
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  Speaker 1: agreement together. I was like, you know what, maybe they're
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: not awful. Yeah yeah, but we'll see. So I know
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  Speaker 1: we're not talking about that movie, but I've heard not
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  Speaker 1: great reviews and that it was obviously written by a
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: man and directed by a man. Is it as it
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: seems or would you recommending seeing that one? I think
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  Speaker 1: it has things that are worth talking about. Um, and
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: it's it's a body horror movie. So if you're into that,
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: then if you're in love, yeah, I definitely. I had
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts afterwards and I had me and
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  Speaker 1: my friend who saw it, who was also a woman,
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: we discussed it at links. I think it tried to
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: do a lot of things and something succeeded in some
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: things didn't. But there were certainly parts where we were
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: nodding at each other like, yeah, we've met this like
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: really religious man who actually just wants to have sex
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  Speaker 1: with you. Yeah. I got it. Because it's as one
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  Speaker 1: male actor play like everye all the characters, right, so
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  Speaker 1: there's interesting stuff going on. I think the ending was
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  Speaker 1: a little messy, but you know, has gotten the reputation
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  Speaker 1: for being exactly that and messy. Okay, what's going on? Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is exactly yes, and I was watching it. So
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: I watched it two days ago, which was the first
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: day it came out and streaming for this, and I
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: did have like further follow up questions and I'm like,
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: are those people actually dead? Hey, I can't help but
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: when I think of multiverse, I really struggle with this
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  Speaker 1: as well. When all of the because like I know,
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  Speaker 1: this is the comic world, and I usually dismissed things,
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  Speaker 1: but then it just gets into like further perpetuating questioning
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  Speaker 1: of what about this and this and this, and then
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  Speaker 1: she was this, and but she was all of them?
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  Speaker 1: But what yeah? Yeah, I mean I think the first
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  Speaker 1: time I thought I was just like whoa, and then
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  Speaker 1: the second time I was like well, and then this
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  Speaker 1: time I was like, this is still cool. But wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, are they which? Are they all dead? Is
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: no one going to come investigate or kill people? But
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: I think I've got it figured out. Smith, I think
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  Speaker 1: I've got it figured out. Okay, yeah, But before we
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  Speaker 1: get into it, just what was your experience? How did
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  Speaker 1: you feel about it? Well? You know, I love Michelle Yo,
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  Speaker 1: like I think I've talked about it repeatedly about her
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  Speaker 1: as well as Migna being two of the first Chinese
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  Speaker 1: women actors that really hit me because they look like me.
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  Speaker 1: Now we are of two different ethnicities. I am Korean,
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  Speaker 1: they are Chinese, but so, but they looked like me.
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  Speaker 1: And being beautiful women who were in characters that weren't
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  Speaker 1: caricatures of of Chinese women was really nice to see.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, yes, sexualization happens often in all of those things,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean Michelle Yo talks about being able to
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  Speaker 1: uh stand up with Jackie Chan and really holding on
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  Speaker 1: and being as strong and as independent as well as
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  Speaker 1: fears and finding all of those things, like you see
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  Speaker 1: all of that and are able to really connected for
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  Speaker 1: me to connect with that in a different level of
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  Speaker 1: seeing people who can make it in the industry. There
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: was something to the fact that Michelle Youo was able
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  Speaker 1: to cross over men as well into both Chinese and
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  Speaker 1: an Asian film as well as American films. So so
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  Speaker 1: much to that that I love them and they of
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  Speaker 1: course become become iconic, and they have been iconic for
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  Speaker 1: a while, especially in the Asian community. So I am.
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  Speaker 1: I was beyond excited to see this movie, really excited
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  Speaker 1: to see it in a way that portrays uh, the family,
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  Speaker 1: a family, a community coming together. Of course, there's been
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  Speaker 1: movies recently that's celebrating that finally, and I love that
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  Speaker 1: love that's been able to cross over. Parasite was that
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  Speaker 1: same level. Of course, that's a whole different conversation in itself. Um,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many things that I wanted to be able
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  Speaker 1: to celebrate, but this had the female, the woman character
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  Speaker 1: being the lead, which is even better. Of course, we
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  Speaker 1: talked about the whole mother daughter relationships, which is a
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  Speaker 1: whole thing in itself. Any relationships and I'm not gonna lie.
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: I like when it's portrayed realistically, so it's not happy,
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: go lucky and and not necessarily everything is solved, but
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: it's kind of that. It's a romance movie in it
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  Speaker 1: as well. So really excited. I wanted to know very
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: little about it except I needed to know, like who
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: all died, and my god, I need to know if
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  Speaker 1: someone's gonna die, I'm gonna be upset. But I was
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: told that the status scene would be the rock scene,
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: and it really wasn't bad. Of course, all the reviews
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  Speaker 1: where everybody came out bawling, and because I don't have
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  Speaker 1: the same familial clinic connections, I think people came in
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  Speaker 1: with this. I didn't. It didn't bother me as much,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't emotionally wrecked me as much. But I really
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: loved every aspect of this movie except for the hot
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  Speaker 1: dog fingers. Could have done without that one, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: it made it funny. Um. But yeah, So everything about
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  Speaker 1: this movie made me very excited, very happy coming into
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  Speaker 1: it knowing it was celebrated, not celebrated enough apparently. I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was because it's in our world, in my sphere,
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  Speaker 1: it's so excited getting so many reviews, but outside of that,
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  Speaker 1: apparently not a lot of people know. I know at
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  Speaker 1: one point they were joking about Morbia's but yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: it is a reaction from Moth people in my community
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  Speaker 1: getting like higher ratings, not ratings, higher viewings. I think,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure, but it was it masically. That
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  Speaker 1: makes me sad. That's interesting because more we it's just
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: came out for a second time because I think add
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm marketing people misunderstood sarcastic tweets and we're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: people really are into it, will we release it in
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: It got eighty five tho dollars in one weekend, So uh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe not Maybe maybe that's a joke and I believed it,
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  Speaker 1: but like, yeah, people all talked about that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's a critical success, UM and a financial success, and
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: we're not going to go. There's so much coverage on
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  Speaker 1: this movie and so many interviews with the actors that
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: are amazing and you should read them, UM, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of it was about being UM an Asian actor,
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  Speaker 1: being an older Asian actor and being able to find
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  Speaker 1: work and not only that, be finding like good roles.
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  Speaker 1: So definitely go look that out. There's so much out
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  Speaker 1: there about this movie right now, I think we should
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  Speaker 1: endeavor on trying to explain. All Right, okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: So everything everywhere, all at once is a two American
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  Speaker 1: film that is sort of genre defying. It's got sci
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  Speaker 1: fi action, kung fu, nihilism at one, part animation, absurdism, comedy.
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  Speaker 1: But I would say under all of that is a stylistic,
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  Speaker 1: domestic family drama about learning to understand your place in
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  Speaker 1: the universe, with some amazing costuming. Um. There's also some
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  Speaker 1: really great interviews with the costumer, so check those out
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  Speaker 1: to you. It has nods to pop through movies like Ratatui, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Yo's filmography, and some definite pokes at Marvel. It
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: was written and directed by the Daniels, Dan Kwan and
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Shiner, who played the b D s M guy.
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  Speaker 1: If you've seen it, that was him, That was him, uh,
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  Speaker 1: produced by the Russo Brothers, the Daniels, Jonathan Wang, Michelle Yo,
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  Speaker 1: and Mike Larocca UH. And I did want to add
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  Speaker 1: in here because I thought it was really interesting. Right now,
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: the multiverse is really popular and apparently the Daniels started
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: working on this in two thousand and ten, and then
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  Speaker 1: Spider Verse came out somewhere around there and they were
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  Speaker 1: like duh no, And then like Rick and Morty season
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  Speaker 1: two as a whole multiverse thing, and then like Spider
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: Man and the Doctor Strange and they're like nay. But
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: this is a very unique take on it. So I
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  Speaker 1: think they were good. They were good. It stars Michelle
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  Speaker 1: Yo as Chinese American immigrant Evelyn Wong in a role
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  Speaker 1: originally written for Jackie chan Um, Stephanie Sue as her daughter,
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  Speaker 1: Joy Wong, Kei Hui Kwan as her husband Waymond Wong
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  Speaker 1: who's from the Goonies in Indiana. Jones and I had
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  Speaker 1: such a crush on him when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 1: and he killed it. Oh, he amazing, James Hong as
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  Speaker 1: Evelyn's father, Gong Gong, Jamie Lee Curtis as deer Dre,
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  Speaker 1: the I R. S Agent auditing them, Tally Madel as
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  Speaker 1: Joy's girlfriend Becky, with some smaller roles from the like
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  Speaker 1: of Jenny Slate and Harry Sham Jr. It was critically
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  Speaker 1: acclaimed and a huge financial success, and is now Film
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  Speaker 1: Studio twenty four's top grossing domestic film ever. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: pretty good alright, So the pot Uh It's separated into
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  Speaker 1: three parts to match the title. It follows Yoe's character,
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  Speaker 1: Evelyn Wong, who owns a struggling laundromat with her husband.
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  Speaker 1: When the film opens, it is clear that Evelyn is
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  Speaker 1: under a lot of stress. Her demanding father is visiting
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  Speaker 1: her husband Wayman wants to talk to her, and the
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  Speaker 1: laundromat is being audited, so she's trying to gather up
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  Speaker 1: all of the receipts to take to the r S office.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, I have been audited out socks
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  Speaker 1: and I don't even have like a business like I
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: can't even imagine that part of it. During all of this,
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  Speaker 1: Evelyn is dealing with demanding customers at the laundromat and
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  Speaker 1: her daughter Joy, who is trying to convince her mom
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  Speaker 1: to accept her girlfriend, Becky Uh, and they Becky Enjoy
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  Speaker 1: have been dating for three years. Evelyn, who is preparing
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  Speaker 1: for a party that night, tells Joy that telling Gong
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Gong that she is gay will kill him. Evelyn is
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  Speaker 1: frustrated with her husband, who she views as Week, someone
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  Speaker 1: who is always making things worse. She's frustrated with Joy,
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  Speaker 1: who can't just help out and not cause problems, like
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  Speaker 1: just do as evone says. Um. When Joy tries to
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  Speaker 1: introduce Becky to Gongong, Evelyn steps in because Joy struggles
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  Speaker 1: with Chinese, and both Cantonese and Mandarin are spoken in
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  Speaker 1: this film, and they're really great essays on like why
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  Speaker 1: each one is spoken and when and what it means.
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  Speaker 1: So that's really cool too. Um, and Evelyn calls Becky
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  Speaker 1: her friend instead of girlfriend. Um. Hurt, Joy storms away
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  Speaker 1: with Becky near tears. Evelyn tries to stop her, but
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  Speaker 1: instead hurts even more by telling her that she is
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: getting fat. Um. Joy drives away upset. Right, can we
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: talk about the fact that, Yeah, James Hong is also
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: an iconic actor that's been around um and has been
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: alleged and finally got his star on the Hollywood Walk
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: of Fame just recently, which is absurd. He's done a
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: ton of staff I think it's hundreds of credits to
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  Speaker 1: his name, so including just recently Turning Red. Oh yeah,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: huh yeah, but like that's just one of the many.
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  Speaker 1: He's probably one of the iconic voices within uh Disney animation. Yeah. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: He's always been there. He's always been there. Y'all. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so back to this, Evelyn, Wyman and Gong Gong make
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  Speaker 1: their way to the I r S office when Wymon
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  Speaker 1: seems to be taken over by an alternate personality. Can
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  Speaker 1: we talk about the fanny pack, y'all? Alpha women on
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  Speaker 1: the elevator right up, giving her odd instructions and the
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  Speaker 1: sort of ear piece situation that he just sticks it
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  Speaker 1: in her ear, just like what's happening. Um. And as
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  Speaker 1: the elevator opens, Alpha Wyman is gone, and by the way,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: the umbrella too, because he building off everything's in that
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: fanny pack is useful, Like, we can't deny this fighting,
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  Speaker 1: hiding doing things anyway. Um. And then Wymon that we
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  Speaker 1: know is back, and though he remembers nothing of what
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  Speaker 1: just happens, goes into the conversation. Here they sit down
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  Speaker 1: with I r S Agent Mestidira, growing annoyed and board
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  Speaker 1: with the I r S proceedings. And by the way,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: did you see the interview that Jamie Leeker just did
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  Speaker 1: about her personality and how they decided on what she
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: looked like. They actually took a real I r S officer,
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  Speaker 1: whoever this person was, and took their image to be
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  Speaker 1: this person, and Jamie Leco was like, this is the
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  Speaker 1: most comfortable I've ever been because everything about is natural.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, I didn't want to tighten up anything. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to do anything else but just be this person.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, look at you, j Lee Curtis,
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  Speaker 1: and she was like, and I loved it. She did
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  Speaker 1: a good classic, so good. But as uh this proceeds on,
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  Speaker 1: she talks to uh Evelyn about the deductions, which is
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: several items related to her hobbies, like singing as a
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: business deduction, I think of karaoke machine was added to that,
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  Speaker 1: and Didra is not impressed. But during this time, Evelyn
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  Speaker 1: is hearing these things coming through the airpiece and she
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: follows Alpha Weymen's written instructions and her mind seems to split.
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  Speaker 1: One version of herself as listening to Theetra. The other
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: version of her is in the janitor's closet with Alpha AMoD.
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  Speaker 1: He tells her that he is from something called the
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  Speaker 1: Alpha verse, or one of thousands of universe in the multiverse,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: which alpha verse means the beginning, So feel like anyway, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and he believes she's the key to defeating the universe destroyer.
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  Speaker 1: Joe bu Tapaki, and to do this she needs to
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: use a technology created by Alpha Evelyn called first jumping. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: you have to do something strange and yes, often very gross,
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  Speaker 1: seemingly painful but okay, to open a pathway to another
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  Speaker 1: you that made a different choice. The stranger the thing,
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  Speaker 1: the greater the probability of the jump will work. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and you will be able to access the skills of
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  Speaker 1: that universe's version of you. Still with us, got it?
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  Speaker 1: I will say the second time, I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm spending less time like what so I
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  Speaker 1: recommended ly STU viewings. Um. Alright. So Evelyn, now back
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  Speaker 1: at the I r S meeting after a version of
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Dear Driss snaps Alpha Wyman's neck. But it's fine though,
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  Speaker 1: because this was like an in between, not real thing. Yeah,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: realizes that her Wymond is trying to divorce her, punches
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  Speaker 1: Dear Dre and attempts to verse jump all very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Wymond gives up on her, which, by the way, this
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  Speaker 1: is after he's told her he's seen a thousand Evelyn's
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  Speaker 1: murdered by Joe Budtupaki, but Evelyn figures out this verse
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  Speaker 1: jumping thing, accessing a universe where she left Wymond, stayed
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  Speaker 1: home and became a martial arts expert and movie star
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: ak Michelle Yo. Essentially, all the throwbacks was amazing the throwbacks.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of really good, like old footage promotional
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: footage of her. Um. Yeah, so Evelyn uses her new
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: skill else to beat professional wrestler Tetrich, saying this is
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: so fun, but it's all true. Alpha Waveman decides because
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: of all her untapped potential, she is the best chance
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  Speaker 1: of beating Joe Buchepaki. He says it in a much
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  Speaker 1: meaner way, even though he means it very nicely. UM
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  Speaker 1: and Joe Butopaki is revealed to be Alpha Joy, created
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  Speaker 1: by Alpha Evelyn after she pushed Alpha Joy too hard.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Joe bu Tupaki has unlimited godlike power to manipulate matter
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  Speaker 1: and to verse jump experiences all universes at once, and
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: has created a everything Bagel black hole like thing to
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: destroy the multiverse. And she has been searching for the
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: right Evelyn right uh? And can we talk about there
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: have been so many conversations and I guess memes about
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the everything Bagel do it a lot it's become it's
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: become like somebody who I was guessing on somebody's podcasts
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: other day, you know, just just you know, and they
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I don't even know they had seen it, but they
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: used everything bagel is sort of like a term to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: describe something, and I was like, wow, it's really caught on.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Well apparently the Daniels used it as a joke to
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: describe it, and then it just caught on, and so
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, let's secret. I mean it now. So
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Alpha gone gong in a superpowered wheelchair, and obviously the
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: commander of all the things appears after Jobutapaki kills some police,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: some cops in truly creative ways. A lot of color
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: in there, a lot of competty, so much uh Elvis outfits,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you know. So a dildos yep, there's a lot of
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: dildos there are. And and in the minute I saw
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: this award, I was like, that looks like a butt
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: plug and Andy burst out laughing because I had no
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: context yet. What's coming? Yeah, anyway, So he tries to
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: convince Evelyn to kill Joy to weaken Joe, Butapacky but
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Evelyn refuses, deciding that in order to defeat Joe bu Dapacky.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: She has to become more powerful than she um. So
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: she first jumps, fighting millions of both Joe Butpacki and
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Alfa Gongong into a verse where she is a sign flipper,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: a singer, a chef where she works with Racka Cooney
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: And can we just talk about Oh my god, Harry
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Schum Jr. And I was so excited that he was
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: on here because he probably was one of my favorite characters.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Why am I talking about Glee so much? But he
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: was one of my favorite characters in Glee because I
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: was like, look at this, They're representing an Asian person
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: as something beyond just being again a caricature. I mean,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: he wasn't the only one. There are two Asian characters,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and I loved it. That was wonderful. But he was
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: such a fantastic character. To see him thrive on because
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I was really scared that most times you don't see
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: marginalized people moving on and to see him and in
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: this movie was really nice. But anyway, back to Racca Cooney.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: It is a raccoon that controls a chef. Sounds familiar.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It may have been a play on words because they
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: she couldn't figure out rather Towey hilarious. Um and to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: see a puppetry type of thing, like the idea of
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: having it is alive. Yeah. Also, Raccooney was voiced by
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Randy Newman. Moving on and one where everyone has hot
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: dog for fingers, y'all, if you haven't seen this, it's unimaginable.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: And I wish I hadn't seen that part um and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: she is in a relationship with Dedra Yeah yeah, Okay.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: So through this, everyone learns that the Everything Bagel was
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: not created to destroy the multiverse, but so Joebtipaki could
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: destroy herself. So Joey believes that because of all the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: chaos and randomness of the universe, nothing matters, and she's
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: tired of experiencing it all and that if nothing matters,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: then it doesn't matter that she never became anything um,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and she's been looking for an Evelyn that would understand
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that evelyncies flashes of other universes where um she turned
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in Racocooni to the authorities where she is on the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: verge of losing the laundromat, where she tries to convince
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Waymond to be with her and he rejects her. That's
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the Michelleo Movie Star universe UM and one where she
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: stabs her universe is wymond Um. Almost persuaded by Joe
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Bouchepacki to follow her and to the Everything Bagel and Yeah,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: she approaches the Everything Bagel with Joe bu Chepacky, but
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: it is stopped by Wyman's calls her peace for kindness
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: like basically like stop, what are we doing? Um. Evelyn
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: decides to fight like Waymond as she says, and finds
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the thing that all of her opponents need or desire
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and gives it to them from b D s M
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: two promises of love to pain, relief UM, stuff she
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: has gleaned from her multiverse knowledge. She helps save Raca Cooney. Uh.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: There's a universe where both she and Joe Buchepaki are yes,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: both rocks, and they bond. Apparently, according to Joe Buchepacky,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: most universes are like this UM as in no life
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: ever happened because the conditions weren't correct um. And in
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: alternate universe, she confronts Gong Gong and tells her why
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: she loves her daughter, how she won't do the same
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: thing to her daughter that he did to her and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: introduces Becky as Joy's girlfriend. Joy storms off, upsets deer Dress,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: shows up with the police. Evelyn signs of the divorce
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: papers and breaks the window open the laundromat and it's
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: put in handcuffs. However, Wayman tells Deardre about the divorce
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and she orders the police to let Evelyn go. Dear
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Dre gives them a week to redo your taxes, and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Dear Dre and Evelyn bond um Dear Drew revealing how
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: she reacted to her own divorce, and that's one of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: my very favorite scenes in the whole movie. Yeah, if
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you're confused, like she, Dear Drea had given them until
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: six pm that night to turn in their taxes and
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: they never did. And then she she calls angryness like
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to not even show up. And then Evelyn said something
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: very rude to her, and then she showed up with
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Dear Dred showed up with the police, and it escalated
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: very quickly. Yea. So Evelyn goes after Joy and tells
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: her that despite everything, she would always choose to be
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: here with her, no matter all the other universes, and
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that she would cherish every spec of time and meaning
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: they found together. Yeah, I do really love that. But
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: also there's a moment where she's just watching Wayman and
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: seeing what he does and watching everything he does and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: realizing that it is not bad. It's very sweet. Yeah,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: And then we also see Grandpa having a moment of
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: confusion and an acceptance. That was interesting, but that was
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: also one again, like you were saying earlier, one of
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the pushes is that he had pretty much disowned her
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: because she refused to follow his advice and his uh
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the parents advice, and so he pretty much cut her
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: off until he got sick and had to move in
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: with her and all that. They hug and next we
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: see them. The family seems to be healing as they
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: returned to the I r S Office, driven by Becky,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: who Evelyn informs needs to grow out her hair because
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: it's too short. Obviously, um. Evelyn kisses Wayman. During their
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: meeting with Dear Jazz. She is distracted for a moment
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: about all the universes, but pulls back focusing on the
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: moment end. Yes, yes, and there was a fake out ending. Yeah,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: there was a couple of fake out endings, like she
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: died and that was the end of it. And then
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: she wakes up in the movie theater. Yep, so that
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: was the actual end um. And yes, it is very
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: visually arresting, very like there are a lot of stills
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and butt plugs. Costuming is amazing. It's being creative, like
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a an experience for the senses. Definitely. Yes,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: lots of play on things. I do Once again, like
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like Women's character was specific to bring the
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: child like portion into it, whether it's the googly eyes again,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: whether it's the Fannie pack, any of those things. Obviously,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: he's the one that's asking for a divorce, but he's
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that kind of the one that pulls her back to
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the reality and she pulls Joy with her. Yeah. Yeah,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I mean that's sort of how they at the end
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: when Joy Joe, he was like trying to get into everything. Bagel,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Evelyn was holding her back, Wayman was holding Evelyn back,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and then Gong Gong was holding Wayman back. So it
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: was took all of them to bring her back. It's
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: pretty good. It's pretty good. So some themes again, like
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: there's so much written about this movie, so we're just
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: going to touch on some stuff, but there's so much
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: out there, and if you want to read it, I
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: recommend it a lot of it's very heartwarming. Yeah. So
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: A big one is yes, the mother daughter relationship, which
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: is fascinating because we have been talking about this a
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: lot lately. Uh And I even saw an article before
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: we decided to do this movie. Um so I haven't
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I wasn't able to find it again, but I saw
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: an article that was like the newest trend in Hollywood,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: parents apologizing to their children, especially in the context of
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: multigenerational immigrant families in Western countries. So we talked about
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: that with Turning Red. H we talked about a little
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: bit when we did our our touch on Conto, but
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: it has definitely been a thing lately for sure, right
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: And I wonder, like, obviously the people who came out going,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I was sobbing, No one warn me. Why didn't you
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: tell me that I would be ugly crying because I
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: didn't want to be at in public crying like this.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: But I wonder if things like this, for movies like this,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: as well as Turning Red, as well as in Kanto,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: it's really a therapeutic for the families to see it
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: because maybe they have not gotten it and wished for it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: And that's what part that the writers are pouring into
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: because they themselves are experiencing and wishing for that, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: they know how universal it is. And though we're looking
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: at a world of so many things, what we see
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: is an attack on female relationships a lot of times anyway,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: when we see this whole undermining of of women altogether
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and those who identify as women in general, like it
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: is an obvious thing. Maybe this is such an open
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: spot that this is how people are ringing it out
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: therapeutically by the relationships that they have. And I hope
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: this is true. I hope this is exactly what it is.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Especially right now in the quick community. It's like a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: double with me of trying to find acceptance in the world,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: hoping to find acceptance with those who love them the most,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: those who have raised them, whatever it may be, whether
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you're they are trams or coming out or any of
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: those things. That this is such a raw moment in
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: time that it has become bigger and bigger and bigger.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And since the first I don't know who would be
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: our first as of recent that has decided to to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: uh jump into the mother daughter relationship. I don't know.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: But since that has been realized. Oh oh, this is needed,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: this is the therapy people are needing. Yeah, well, I
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: got a lot of thoughts about that Number one. As
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I am working on an episode for my
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: birthday that is no surprised about Star Wars. But I
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: have a whole theory about what you're talking about about,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: like people trying to like writing this thing and basically
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: trying to provide themselves therapy. But that doesn't mean it's
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: like not useful because people a lot of people experience
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: those things and that's how we connect through these stories.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And then I forgot to mention like Benda, like Beckham
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: also had something like this going on. So it's been around.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: It's not like it's new. I just think it's right
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: now super popular. But also last night I watched Miss Marvel,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: which is one of my very favorite comics, and it
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: had a similar thing, and I was like, what's happening here?
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: It is it's such a relational thing, like the not
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: that father's sons are not important, but we've kind of
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: gone passed to what is happening now with the ladies
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a little, the women who are struggling. We're being attacked
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: from all ages, what's the what's the way maybe we
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: feel a little more safe if we had that bond
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: here we go, right yeah, yeah, oh gosh, I think
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this in an upcoming book club.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: But also just sort of the the way we as
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: women can hurt other women, right yeah, which is something
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I do want to talk about in a second. But
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: also I did find it interesting because I don't really
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: put this together, but one of the articles I was
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: reading pointed out that and all of the other universes
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: we see other than the Alpha one, Evelyn doesn't have Joy.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: She's only in those two that you see it. And
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: so it's sort of like the mirror of you pushed
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: her too hard, you pushed her towards this, and then
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: this sort of I don't want to say normal, the one,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the Evelyn, the Evelyn we are going through the story
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: with her universe, she has that moment of like pulling
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: her back and stopping pushing um. So I thought that
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: was really interesting. There was that whole thing of like
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Joy tells Becky, Evelyn has this thing of like if
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: she criticizes you, that's how she shows she cares. Right,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: So when she says Joy is getting fat. It's a
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: way of showing she cares. At the end when she says, Becky,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: you need to cut your hair short, is supposed to
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: be a way of showing she cares. But it's also like,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's come up a lot, and these
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: stories to have sort of the critical maternal figure, whether
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: it's the grandmother or the mother, but are both um
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: sort of the criticism that is often a push to
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: do better, to be that everything Bagel, to go out
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: and be more than I I was. Yeah, I mean
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: there's definitely that conversation of yeah, I don't want this
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: life for you, my life for you. I want your
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to have your life, which again is a bigger conversation
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: about it. And I mean we've seen it culturally, we've
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: seen it being talked about, especially in Asian cultures, that
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: being a thing, you know, to the point that became
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: a stereotype obviously, but I think it is interesting. Yeah,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that the whole criticism. I always say, from my perspective,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: if I'm not making fun of you, that means I
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: don't love you, which it's just like, oh, that's probably
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: not a good thing. But at the same time, like
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I show loved by m hmm, being a jack sometimes
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: sometimes I think for you though, I mean a lot
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: of friends do that where you feel comfortable enough, like
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: teasing them. It can. Family can be so tricky, and
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: so can friendships. But I feel like in friendships a
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: lot of times, as long as it's within good nature,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: uh not that sort of toxic, backhanded friendship stuff, then yeah,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: it's funny. It's fun to do. I did hear they
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: were going to remove calling Jenny Slate's character big Nose
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: from the digital version because of negative Jewish stereotise, but
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: it was still in it when I watched it, so
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Really, yeah, I was not gonna lie.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: That one made me go, uh so this was I
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: don't understand who wrote this and thought it was okay. Um.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen any complaints about it, necessarily by individuals,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I also when I
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: was watching, I was like, woof. But I hadn't heard
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that until I was researching it. So we'll see, Peop'll
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: see how that goes to a lesser extent. I mean,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: it's a huge part of the movie, it's just not
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the main focus is is Evelyn's relationship with her father,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and as we've kind of been talking about about how
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: her father uh disowned Evelyn because she wanted to be
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: with Waymond and how that impacts Evelyn and how she
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: treats Joy and how she wants try to act around
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Gongong um sort of this whole cyclical mess um. The
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: language barrier between Joy and Gong Gong is a pretty
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: big factor throughout this um. Also, every time I watch it,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the line I'm sorry it's a girl when Evelyn is
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: born catches my attention. Oh yeah, yeah, and then yeah,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I mean you see throughout the movie, you see kind
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of flashbacks of Evelyn being young and Joy being young,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: and they're very similar in a lot of ways. But
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: definitely Gongo pushed Evelyn really really hard and critiqued her
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: very very hard, and she rebelled just like Joy. And
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: at the end Evelyn tells Gong like she's just like
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: her mother. Also, yeah, like we said that kind of
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: putting all of your hopes and dreams into a child
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and everything Bagel like putting everything on there and it
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: sort of collapses in on itself. And so when this
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: is gonna sound strange if you haven't seen it, but
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: when Joyce shows Evelyn to everything Bagle. She does sort
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: of like this church church people's people like the fingered
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: church thing. Yeah, that finger trick that young kids would do,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: be like, look, this is like a vagina. And so
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: that's why when I was watching it, I was like,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: it does kind of look like that. And then I
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: was like, this is like birthing of universes? And am
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I reading too deep on it? I couldn't find anything
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: about it. But I feel like they knew what they
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: were doing. It sounds about right, yeah, And then I
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: couldn't really find I saw this article and I read it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I skimmed through it probably a month or so ago,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and it was about the drudgery of motherhood and how
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: this movie does a really good job of kind of
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: capturing the days where you're you are thinking like I
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: wish I was in another universe where I just wasn't
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: my life, but it also does capture really well the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: importance of the days where you don't wish that. Uh.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And there's a great interview I think with NPR MICHELLEO
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: did where she's like the superpower of her is she's
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a mom and she's running this business and she's in
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: this religion like all the stuff she's doing. So I
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: thought that was interesting. I think basically what people were
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: saying was this It was a really, like you said,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: realistic portrayal m of sort of all the stuff a
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: lot of us have to do. And I'm not even
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a mom, but like just that every day stuff and
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: adding the mom and the business and all that stuff
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: to it. Yeah. Right, but yes, as this comes out,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: it is Pride month, and so we did want to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: talk about queer relationships. And you know, the big one
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: is between Joy and Becky, who again have been dating
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: for three years and they're very very sweet together. Um,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and we get to see Becky being very supportive of Joy.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming Joy it's very supportive Becky, but that's sort
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: of not what we're getting to see in this family
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: drama part right, Yeah, and there you know, Joy is
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: trying to like, you know, we've been dating long enough,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Can I bring Becky to this party as my girlfriend
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: not my friend? Is at the heart of a lot
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: of the drama that we see in this particular universe. Yeah,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep track of all of the universe
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: is here, but yeah, it's obviously a big part of
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the acceptance that she feels like she's not enough for
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: her mother already and not accepting her a big part
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: of her life or relationship with the love of her life.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was definitely a big key point kind
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: of the push as of like, if you don't accept me,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: this might be over. It felt like a finalized, uh
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: this or that type of moment, including with the bagel,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Like I think it's like, that's a bigger picture, and
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: then the smaller picture was this relationship and my acceptance
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and your acceptance of my family, and part of that
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: acceptance is acknowledging that it is. It's a relationship and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: it's for real. Yeah, and I love the bit at
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the end where she she Evilyn looks at Wayman is
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: like the universe was kind enough to grant us someone
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: who was patient and loving, and that's I thought that
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: was very sweet. That part does make me kind of
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: nervous though, just because like coming out to family, because
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Joy keeps trying to get away and she's like, no,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: we're finally going to tell Gongang, which I totally get
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: because in the beginning Jor was like, we have to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: tell Gong gong Um. But I was just like, oh,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: this is tense, right. I don't know what the best
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: way too to do it would have I mean, if
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Joy would have done it, or if it was too late.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, because it felt like Evelyn was like, no,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I'm putting the I'm standing up for you. I'm gonna
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: say it. I'm gonna tell my father what's what and
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Joy was like, oh gosh, please don't do this right,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: not at my expense. And also there is this line
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: when Evelyn realizes that joe Bu Tapaki is Joy, she
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: views it as like joys being possessed. Uh. And she
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: says to Joebu Tepak, like, is that why she thinks
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: she's gay? Um? So that was she had a long
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: way to go and understanding her daughter and her depression
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and her queerness and all of that, uh, which I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: think is a lot a lot of people do think
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: that way, whether it's depression or queener or what. But like,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: that's something almost possessing you, Like, that's not my joy,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: but it is. And also I just had a mentioned
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I do really love the Hot Dog Universe relationship between
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: her and dear Joy. I think it's super sweet. Um.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I love that in the beginning her weird her strange
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: things she had to do was like tell Dietrichs she
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: loved her and mean it and she's like, never there's
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: nothing to love. In the the end, do you just says, well,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that's just how it is. A stone cold bitches make
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: the world go around. We're in lovable and it's like
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: there's always something to love. And then they smoked me together.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I love that part. It's so cute. The relationship they
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: had was nice. The hot dog fingers was disturbing because
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: they eat each other's fingers, like that's the mom comes out,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: ketchup comes out. Mm hmm. There's something so disturbing about that.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: The relationship was beautiful and sweet, and it's sad when
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: they leaves her but then comes back and that it
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: comes happy. But yeah, the sexy moments were of them
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: eating each other's fingers. Yeah, and I I'm not gonna
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: lie made me uncomfortable, more uncomfortable than the butt plux scene. Yeah, yeah, interesting,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: which is nothing wrong with butt plugs, but it was
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: quite I'm I'm more like that would hurt so bad
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: because it was like a running Also, they did it
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: with their pants on and I can't imagine that is
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: comfortable in eaty least way. Oh no, no, no, no,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: because I had to go through jeans and underwhere anybody
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: who's listening to this as its students and yeah, yeah
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: that gets me every time because it's a running jump
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: cannonball situation. There's also as we've been talking about, and
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: we talked about this even with Bridget in our Sex
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: in the City episode, which I love. Uh, this whole
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: theme of like depression and the meaning of life, it
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: keeps coming up. Joe Buchepaki keeps saying that nothing means anything,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: nothing matters, but Evelyn arrives it's sort of the opposite
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: conclusion that everything matters, like even the tiny because Joepaki
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: keeps saying, we get maybe for lucky specs to have
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: any meaning, and Evelyn interrves at the meaning that like,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: then I will treasure every of those facts and it
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: all matters instead of nothing matters, which is very sweet. Um.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because I kind of have a similar view
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: for it, where I'm like, nothing matters, but it does
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: matter at the same time. I don't know if that
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: makes sense, but no it does. Yeah, that's the excidential
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: crisis to it. All which this movie is very much bad.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't mention that it is right right, And then
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: throughout there is this kind of running three point of
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: everyone missing the point. She keeps almost getting where her
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: daughter is coming from, but missing it. Like there's a
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: scene where she's like, I know you have these feelings inside.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I know you feel like you'll never do that whatever,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I will be Joeba like. But at the end she
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: she does get it. She arrives at it, and it's
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: they've just been looking for connection and understanding. Yeah. Right,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: she arrives at it because she arrives at her own
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: feelings instead of projecting. And that's the big key. I actually,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: here's a quote from Noel Webster at the Tricycle. Uh,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: they say, everything everywhere, all at once. Is not a
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: movie about how to save the world. It's about understand it,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: think how to be a part of it. Amidst the mayhem,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: the film seems grounded in its core message about the
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: importance of human connection and cultivating compassion for all beings
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: throughout our confusing in permanent lives. Evelyn doesn't arrive at
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: these truths immediately. It takes a few action packed trips
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: across the multiverse first, but as she learns to cherish
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: even the most mundane moments of time with her family,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: so does the audience. Yeah that's sort of what you're
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: talking about when she's like remembering all these things wayman does. Right, Yeah,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I should have judged that, Yeah right. I mean it
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: definitely is one of those moments of going through all
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the versions of him and her trying to pick out
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: which one she would have rather been with and not
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: been with. Um. It's interesting to see and then her
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: pushing back like nothing matters, because she comes to that
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: point during it's like it doesn't matter, this doesn't matter,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: nothing matters. I'll tell you everything is badly um, And
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: he's the one that's like, no, but that's not true.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Even if it wasn't great, I was still wanted to
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: not do great things with you. Yeah, launching and taxes.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: M We're gonna talk more about that in a minute.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: There's also this whole thing of MICHELLEO being an untraditional
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: superhero because she's an older Asian woman who's quite unconventional
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: in her skills superhero origin story in this movie, and
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: she's kind of everything. She's strong and weak, focused and
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: lost all at once. Yeah, and she gets to really shine,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: she gets to as an actor, she gets to really
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: showcase her skills. It's awesome. Uh, she doesn't win all
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the awards. I might be upset. I know it's pretty
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: early this season to say this, but I'm just saying.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying. Uh. And then there is the whole
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: theme of Asian your can identity cultural divide because Evelyn
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: immigrated to the U s as an adult, Joy was
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: born in the US, and we see this divide in
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: small and large moments throughout, perhaps most clearly in language. Yeah.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting because it's very um representative
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: of the first generation family as well. You'll see the
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: new children who come here are acclimated. They often can't speak.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: And then we talked about this in crying and h
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Mart can't speak Uh, their parents native language and they
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: can understand, which I've ran into and I didn't realize
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: was a thing. Uh. In my mind it was only
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: adoptees who have not been around it, and watching these
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: generational kids um of immigrants or refugees and sitting there saying, yeah,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I'm taking they were taking Korean with me because they
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: couldn't speak Korean they could understand it, and I found
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: that fascinating to it. I was like, really because they
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: were trying so hard to assimilate into the country and
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: not wanting to be uh and foreigner slash and outside her.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: But it is it is very representative of that in
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: in a whole Yeah. Yeah, And there again are many
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: great articles about that specific aspect of this movie as well.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Here is one quote from Very Well Mind. Navigating between
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: two cultures while never feeling completely at home and either
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: is referred to as a culturation stress, and it can
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: lead to a number of negative consequences. Leaning Lamb PhD
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: lecture and counseling psychology at Santa Clara University notes that
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: a culturation stress results in a pervasive sense of not
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: being understood, feeling invalidated, feeling invisible, of feeling like you
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: have to constantly hide a part of yourself. This can
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: result in an unstable sense of identity, as well as
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: feelings of guilt and shame, which in turn can lead
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: to mental health challenges including depression, anxiety, and suicidality. And
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: everything everywhere. The multiple identities assumed by Joebu Tapaki throughout
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the movie, including a softa dancer, a tennis pro, and
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: a multiversal goddess could be seen as a metaphor for
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: the way Joy has learned to move between cultures, as
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: her anger and sadness indicates she isn't happy in any
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: of them. So this was a whole article about the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: like it was about the movie. Right, that's amazing. But
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, that has a lot to be
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: said about the way that we don't get enough representation
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and when we get it, we see it. And this
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: is one of those moments. And I say we as
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: in uh an Asian person living in the US. I
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: am technically in Asian American. I guess in a way
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I wasn't born in the U S or whatever. But
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: all of that to say is there's so much to
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: that whatever if you look different in general from the
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: quote unquote norm of what that culture seems to be representing, whatever, whatnot,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said in the underlying basis
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: of trying to assimilate under the pressures of once against
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: societal norms. And yeah, I think this is even better
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: when talking about a family of refugees coming through and
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: trying to hold onto their identa at the same time
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: find their own identity, and yeah, this movie was for
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: her trying to seek all of that, but trying to
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: please her family as well, but just wanted to give
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: up not caring. But it's hard not to care and
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: it makes you feel guilty so many things, everything everywhere.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Um Uh. There is plenty of throu a racism throughout
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the movie against Evelyn Uh and her family, and also
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: very clear signs that Evelyn doesn't feel like she's been
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: totally accepted into the community. Also interesting with Waymond being
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: both the sweet, goofy Fannie Packmaron kind of emasculated husband
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: in the alpha versus jumping version, and the actor again
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: very great interview I read with him saying like it
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: was such like he never thought as a fifty year
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: old I believe somewhere near fifty uh, he would get
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: to be because he's like the suave business person in
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: one he's the action star and one he's the like
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: husband and one um which I love. I love. Yeah,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: his characters were so good, so diverse, and what he
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: did pop up as like in the Tuxedo, I was like,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: oh wait, hello, yes, and he did like he studied
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: from what I already studied different animals, and he's like,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I wanted it to be clear which Waymond we were
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: dealing with based on the way he moved and talked,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, you did it. Did he
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: did so good? He did so good, so good. And
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: speaking of this leads us to our kind of final
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: thing that I had to include and you'll see what
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: so I know. So there is throughout like kindness and
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: the importance of kindness, and Wymond kind of being the
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: one who is like all about that. And at first
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: it's something Evelyn sees is um either our weakness or
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: like he's just making things more difficult for her, like
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: he's not. She doesn't understand why he brings Miss Diedrich cookies,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: she doesn't understand why he like it's the clothe, the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: drag cleaning where they're happy ERPs, like she doesn't understand
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: all of these things. She just sees them as sort
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: of an annoyance until the end she appreciates it. And
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: so yeah, there's the whole theme between them of love
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: and divorce. And she has this line that's pretty painful,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: or she says to alpha women like I can't wait
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: to show him how good my life is. Without him.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Um uh, the idea of the one because the like
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: every universe, even if they're not together, they're sort of
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: like in each other's orbits. Um. And then I would say,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: like the grass is always greener on the other side,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: all the could have beens that always look better when
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: you're not actually living that life. Um. And I think
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: it's also for evidence sort of really to blow self
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: esteem or looking down on yourself based on the choices
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: you've made and what you have or have not become,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: and therefore the other people in your life get pulled
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: into that as well. Right, I mean there's definitely that comment,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: like at the beginning when the Alpha wayman comes in,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: he says you're the most unskilled essentially, that was like
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: how dare? But it's true? But she she she believed
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: it because yeah, she looked at these different stances of like,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: oh I could have been a chef, which she wasn't
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: really a chef because yeah, but like she was one
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: of many and she wasn't as good as Raccoon Recco.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: That really struggled with this word was at that point.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: But like even the Hollywood version of like she was
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: alone in that level, like and she wondered when she
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: was what she was missing out on that level. But
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: there's so many things to that that I found interesting,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and she definitely does really well portraying because like I
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: don't know, did they ate her in that film, because
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like this, Wow, like she looked beaten down, and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I know Cup is an amazing at all this, but
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: like even for her, she's not one of those people
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I could ever see beaten down in any at least
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: way whatsoever. But like, yeah, that was her character, was
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: that she was already beaten down. This one universal was
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: just completely against hers. Yeah. Oh, I mean yeah, she
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: was definitely tired, tired, um, And I tried to put
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: together maybe this is for a revisit in the future,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: but I tried to put together like because it's everything everywhere,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: all at once, but it also seems to be saying
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: to me, you can't be you can't have it all. Yeah,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: but the end is also you know, being presents in
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: a world full of distractions, when she's hearing all these
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: other universes, all these other things she could have done
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: or could be doing, choosing to be present in that moment.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: But now I have to talk about the Simon roll
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: because this is an example of it. Um, Wymond is
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: an example of it, and like at the end when
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: he's giving his speech and like, this is it. Essentially
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: this is like a thesis statement on most uh So,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite fan fiction descriptions of it is
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: the strength of choosing to be kind in the cruel
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: universe and Wayman is like, this is how I fight
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: with kindness. Like it's strategic, it's a purposeful choice of survival,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: and I just love it. He's so sweet, he's so
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: adorable because he's just like always trying to make people
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: happy and kind of doing these goofy things. He's always
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: trying to make evil and happy. Um, it's very when
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: they have the flashbacks of their relationship, which again of
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: course he's asking for a divorce, hasn't always been good.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: But those other part to me that I don't quite
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: understand is why does it ever explain that? I think
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: from the things I read he because in the beginning,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: he's like, please, can we talk? Can we talk? Can
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: we talk? And she keeps me I think it was
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: sort of a last ditch I need to talk to you. Yeah,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: that's maybe I'll rewatch it again and have a different
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: take for you. Um. And also, yeah, this importance of
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: seeking connection through other people and that's ultimately what Joebu
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Tobaki wanted. Um, that's why she kept looking for Evelyn,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: and that's how Evelyn saved the day. And yes, yes,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: brought her back from the everything Bagel whole your true story,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: it is absolutely true. Oh my gosh. If you have
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: not watched it and you listen to this episode, if
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: your interest is not Pete right now, but if you
• 55:36
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• 55:38
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• 55:40
  Speaker 1: take of what you think we are saying, because I
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: would love it to hear an interpretation of what just happens.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I would do and then go watch it because it's great. Yeah. Yes,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: well that's what we have to say for now. I
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: thought I thought we'll revisit this one in the future,
• 55:58
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