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Is Age Really Just a Number? Theresa DeMaria (54) On Dating a 27- Year Old | Netflix Age of Attraction Tell All · In My Hometown

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  SPEAKER_00: Is age just a number when it comes to dating, or does it depend on who's older?
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  SPEAKER_00: What if it's a 54-year-old guy and a 27-year-old woman?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or a 27-year-old guy and a 54-year-old woman?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're going to get into it today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our guest is Teresa DeMaria.
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  SPEAKER_00: She is from Netflix's hit show, The Age of Attraction, and we're going to talk with her all about her experience on the show, her uh time dating a 27-year-old, and some behind the scenes scoop, and a whole lot more.
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  SPEAKER_00: So stay with us.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're in my hometown with Jamie and Pascal.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: The topic of age gaps and dating and age is something that we talk about all of the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you were just on the show Age of Attraction, which we did huge deep dive and just like absolutely ate up.
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  SPEAKER_00: You and John, who you were dating, were sort of more of the, I guess, well-known couples from the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um there was a 22-year-old age, 27-year-old difference.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's 27.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's 28, I guess.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: Almost, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're I'm 55 now.
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  SPEAKER_00: 55 now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: What I don't we want to get into all of that, but I think yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, before we get that, how did you how did you end up being in the show?
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  SPEAKER_04: What how did you hear about it?
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  SPEAKER_04: Who signed you up?
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_04: Uh what what how tell us a little bit about that?
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  SPEAKER_04: How did you yeah?
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I do acting and modeling.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have an agency, and originally, like four years prior to being cast for Age of Attraction, something came through my agency for me to be on Vanderpump Villas.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so that was a Hulu show.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, I they wanted me to be in this one role of event planner, and that's not really something that I'm familiar with.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I turned it down.
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  SPEAKER_01: But once you're kind of once you've been in front of casting producers, they remember you and they'll put you on something else.
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  SPEAKER_01: So then I got recast the following year for another show, which still hasn't come out to this day.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: But we did film it.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: It was in Montana, and Taylor, who was on Love Island last year, big big star now, um, he filmed it with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So now they have this asset and they haven't released it yet.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: So something to look forward to.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they just, you know, recycle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Recycle, reuse.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever dated anyone that uh that was that much younger than you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, right, not that young.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it just sort of, you were like, let me go and see what this is all about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when they originally asked me if I'd be interested in an ageless dating concept, I was like, Yeah, sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I've dated guys that were 17 years younger than me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was cool with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, it was actually like a pretty decent relationship.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'm down.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I also told them like my limit was in that age range, like upper 30s.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so obviously John and I did not know each other's age, and he did to me read older.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how I read to him, but that doesn't matter.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I so yeah, I went to the water.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you I mean, let me just say it, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were reading you read much younger than what you are.
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  SPEAKER_04: So let me ask you, let me ask you a question.
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  SPEAKER_04: So you sign up into the show, uh, you knew the concept of the show before you went into the show.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm not you knew it was 20, 30, 40, and 50.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ageless is what they sort of read.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they didn't tell me exactly what the age ranges were going to be, but I assumed there were gonna be some guys or some guys and girls in their 20s.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I never in a million years thought I would be matched up with one.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: And uh, and so so tell me a little bit about who you are.
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  SPEAKER_04: I mean, have you been you obviously you have three daughters, am I right?
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: I have two boys and two boys and a girl, that was yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and uh were you how long were you married?
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  SPEAKER_04: Divorce, how long, how long is it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I was married very young to the father of my kids.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we met at in college and we were married for 13 years, um, just kind of grew apart, nothing catastrophizing.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I got remarried again about five years later, and that was a disaster.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: I married a complete narcissist um who I did not realize was one until the day of our wedding.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um and why the day, how did it come out on the day of the wedding?
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, his personality totally flipped and changed.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it it got really bad.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was abusive.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I had he financially put me in a position, I think knowingly, that I couldn't get out of.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I was trapped.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so it took me about two, two and a half years to financially save and be very strategic about finding a place to like escape to, which I literally had to escape.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and yeah, I did.
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  SPEAKER_04: Were you were you dating him?
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  SPEAKER_04: How long were you dating him before you decided to get married?
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  SPEAKER_01: We were only dating, like we got engaged about six months after.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I didn't know, I knew him for a lot longer than that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: My mom knew him because she was his nurse.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was a doctor.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they were very close.
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  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, a nurse and a doctor have a very close relationship.
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  SPEAKER_01: But as many people know, when you have like a narcissistic personality, you show the world one part of you, and close behind closed doors is a completely different person.
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  SPEAKER_01: So my mom thought he was like this amazing guy.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so did I until it was too late.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was seven years older than me.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so how long ago was that?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't hear that part.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a while ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, that um that was done in 17.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you date and you date regularly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where do you meet most of the the guys that you date?
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, unfortunately, I met my last relationship on Bumble.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: I've dated a couple guys off of like Raya and Hinge, but I I'm the only app I have open right now is Raya.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_04: The other one's in like has the has the dating happen in Virginia now.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_04: Don't get Festnell started on the dating app.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but the I hate them too.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_04: You hate it.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_04: You mean I I think to meet a joke.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_04: Am I right?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_04: You mean it's I think it's all about making money.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_04: Just you had to buy the coin coin.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you gotta buy the coin to be able to communicate.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_04: Don't you have that in the No No?
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_04: Or maybe for women might be different than no.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think for I mean, I'm only on Raya at this point, but I you do have to pay.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's a 300.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you have to be accepted.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: Are you on Raya?
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_04: No, I'm not on.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: You should get on Raya.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: Raya is so hard to get on.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, is it?
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: I've been on it for like seven or eight years.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's great, like high caliber, like the best of the best are on Raya.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: They're vetted, they're like so.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: Can you help Pusco?
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're in a safer.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: I listen, you it's like a it's hard to get on.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know like I was just with Alex Hall from like selling OC.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's like gorgeous and famous.
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  SPEAKER_01: She can't get on.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's crazy.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this is your new thing.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that's what that's what they do.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_04: They make it, they try to make it exclusive to make it a little bit difficult to like in the world.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: I just think the waiting list is giant at this point.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So but you think that is a good one.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a good one.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe you'll try to get it.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: I won't.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: He really like loves to talk about how that he does not like it.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like the name.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I'm sure when you go out, you people come up to you all the time.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, not at all.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think people are scared of me.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I if I'm not smiling, I do have like a definite resting bitch face.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: Have you been told that?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen that.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I have been told that.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you were on TV for another time.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: I've been told like I'm super intimidating stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that I could probably I don't know.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: That I could probably tell.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm just a friendly, nice person.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_04: So Jimmy, Jimmy and I had a chance to to, I mean, I I actually I went and watched every episode because I really wanted to see the first time.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then he revoyed.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_04: No, I watch I watch all the episodes.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_04: And but I I personally find that this is a a social experiment.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_04: This show is like more a social experiment, sometimes where it's never been done.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_04: And I give Netflix a credit to be able to come up with something like that.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_04: Jimmy and I talk over the the the all our podcast about the age differences between an age between a woman and a man, and a man and a man, and what is appropriate in our society?
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_04: What is our society view?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: So the question I'm gonna ask you, and you know, we'll go deeper on that is if he was 54 and he would be 27, yeah, do you think the relationship would have been shifted differently?
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh uh shifted in what way in a way where do you think you could see a future with him?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Me?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would not date a guy who is 54 if I was 27.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, right.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_04: No way.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: No way.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's gross to me.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: I just think I love that.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: I so here's my here's my quick 30-second take on this.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: So men, especially older men, are they have a um, they've just they've got more control, power, all of these things.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: When you're a young girl, you are very vulnerable and you don't have a lot of experience in life.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that it could be looked at, and I think in many, many cases it's proven to be.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying all, I'm saying a lot of them, that men want to control women.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that that is a perfect scenario in which that could happen.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think a lot of women, and it depends on the circumstance, want like a sugar daddy.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: They they want someone to take care of them, they want those things.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: So they will let go of their freedom in order to have those things, but then it gets to be too much, it gets to be too late.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: And in my situation, which obviously I wasn't 27, but that was what happened to me.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, not exactly, but somewhat.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: In in your experience off the show, like in another relationship.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my second marriage.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So would you think is age appropriate between a woman and a man versus uh the, you know, well, I mean, like I said, I I can't say that all 27-year-olds and 54-year-olds can't have a relationship.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just think that the amount is very slim.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think the I think it's possible for sure.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: Anything's possible, but there has to be like a mutual amount of respect.
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  SPEAKER_01: People have to want the same things, have the same interests, have the same goals.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I think when you're in your 20s, not that everybody's like this, but I think a lot of people who are in their 20s, they might think that they're an old soul, they might think that they know what they want, but in actuality, they don't.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: There's so I I there's this is gonna be the best conversation we've only just started, and I just want to get into so much.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: But I want to first, for for people that are either watching or listening, just give a sort of second on age of attraction on Netflix.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: Not everyone has watched it, probably.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I you talked a little bit about it, but the idea is ageless, and they have you come in and you so you guys are all in this beautiful setting and you're all in Canada.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_04: And which part of Canada were you been no?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: We were in Whistler for the first half, and then we went to Vancouver for the second half of the show.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: And how long was the space of time of the show?
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: It was like five and a half, six weeks.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I was trying to get to because you couldn't tell.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was we started middle of May, and then I got home end of June.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so did they that speed dating?
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: So they have you come in and you all look amazing, and you know, they're, I couldn't tell, look like maybe 50 people or something before that.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: 20 women, 20 men.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: And how did it sort of get like tell us a little bit about that?
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: How many guys did you meet before John or did you were you interested in other people?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: So they kind of orchestrated the whole like who was sitting with who.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it wasn't like I, you know, we didn't have like a rotation schedule or whatever.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: They were like, okay, now you and the, you know, they'd cut the cameras and then we would move and we'd go wherever we were told.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: And out of the 20 guys, I would estimate I probably met 16 to 17 of them.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: So there were.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_04: So you made them all, basically.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: Almost.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like, you know, three minutes and then we'd switch.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's like a speed dating.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_04: Do you remember where you go and sit down and you talk, blah, blah, blah, and you go to the next table, the next table, the next table.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_04: So that's a big concept.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I'm asking because, like Andrew, I think he's cute and he's 38, 39 now.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Did was he someone that you ended up meeting?
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: He would have been closer.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: He would have been like the perfect person.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: So what but but he also was going for really I mean, well, really, yeah.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_04: I think when to 22, he was with Libby, which is 22 years old.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_04: Am I saying?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's 22.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: She's she's amazing, and I love her.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um and they're great together.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like, anything I say after this, like, don't hold this against me.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I think Andrew and I did have a connection.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think that we both, you know, had like really great conversation, and I could just tell that there was a little bit of chemistry there.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, this is after like meeting someone for five minutes.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, what do you really know?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: But the next day, I think that because you got you would circle five people after that speed dating of like your top five, and then you'd give it to the producers.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: And they were the ones who were really organizing it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: So then the next day, when we go back on camera, they're like, Teresa, you're right here next to John.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: Libby, you're right here.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I don't even know if Libby was next to Andrew at that point, but they basically really put us together and then we would just talk.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, like John and I got along great, and we had like great chemistry as well.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so it was just like one thing after the next.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, if you got along with that person and you had interests, then you kind of stuck with them.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's what happened with John and I.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: And we did have four dates.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: We only saw two on the show for that first portion of the show in uh Whistler.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, yeah, there were there were definitely two or three other guys that I would have.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: If if you were interested with uh Logan attack, no, no, Andrew.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_04: Andrew, if you were interested with Andrew, why didn't you go to Andrew and then be there were no options.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: Was there no options?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: So basically this is.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: It was a it's a TV show after all, and they really wanted it.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: Seems like they really wanted the the dynamic of the why their age gaps.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: It was an experiment.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Let me ask you this though.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now knowing, or maybe you knew this, Andrew has you know teenage kids.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Does that would would you want to you'd be okay dating?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: I would have been totally fine with it.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so no problem there.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: So you and John though did hit it off, but you were also sort of you know engineered to to be together a lot.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, and he did seem great.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: He had a lot of charisma, at least from the way I watched it.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_04: Very stylish, yeah.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Very stylish, which is super important.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, very mature for 27 years old.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, handled.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: He, I mean, he really like, you know, I think the guys, we were not allowed to have our phones, but the guys somehow were able to get their phones.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think he looked me up.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think he had some more intel on me than he was letting on.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, he in fact found like where my hotel was, my hotel room.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: He sent flowers to me.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: He found a way to get my phone number and get in touch with me.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like there was a lot of things that he, and so he was really, really pursuing me hard and saying things like, Oh, you know, like, I really want to see Teresa.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are you guys keeping us away from each other?
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and saying to me then when we were together, like that he was annoyed that we weren't together and that we would just, you know, let's forget the show and just go date, you know, out in the real world.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: Which now I'm like, yeah, we got in the real world, and then you like basically dropped me.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Things went down.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_04: Wait, we do you think do you think he was there because of uh the feeling he had for you, or do you think he was there to try to get a little bit recognition, fame, yeah, stuff like that?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because you know, I was as you know, I was in the Golden Bachelorette, and a lot of us, you know, were there because we didn't know that.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't know that was home.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_04: I said, but I just want to remind her the audience.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: I had my 15 minutes of fame.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and I know that some of us were there because we wanted recognition.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: We want some people want to be influencers and stuff like that.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_04: So when you talk about John, do you think John wanted a little bit more recognition?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_04: He wanted to have a little fame, he wanted to.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, I mean, John's the only one that can honestly answer that question.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I if you had asked me a month ago, I would have said he was there for the real reasons.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think a lot of things have changed my mind in that way.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, you know, of again, I don't know.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but my guess is that yes, he was there for fame.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: He was there to not find his person like I was.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: I would say Chris, I mean, um, that other guy, Chris, who was with um Leah.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, he looks like he was completely there for fame.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: And he would have admitted it, but then he wouldn't own up to it.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_04: And I believe he didn't commit.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_04: He didn't commit.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: He did not.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, he did tears and digging the recognition.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like you could really tell with him.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: John, yeah, we um, Tom, we have some pictures, all right, uh of John.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: These are your like headshots.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Then there's some natural ones from um, well, okay, here's one crying.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then this is from the reunion, which we're gonna get to.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: But um, here he just, you guys look so you looked great together.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: He seemed comfortable with himself.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: It was, it was really amazing because while we're filming, we're in this bubble, we're so intertwined in each other's lives, and we're just so very deeply connected, honestly.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it did feel real.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: It felt like this could be a real thing.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, of course, I'm battling in my brain like, how is this happening with a 27-year-old?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I how am I feeling so safe and able to be myself and you know, have great communication with him and everything?
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: It was wonderful, but then you know, you leave that sort of confined space and it just becomes something completely deprecated.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_04: But you you know what?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_04: I asked you a question just earlier.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_04: I said if you were if if he was 54 and you were 29, would you date him?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_04: You said no.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, I would not.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like knowingly, I would not.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, now now knowing then obviously the age, yeah, why did you even get involved with him?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_04: If you at fifth 27 were not date at 54, right, what at 54 would you date at 27?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, that's a great question.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of people that are online right now are asking me that.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: And the the answer to that is that I didn't know how old he was until I committed to him.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_04: But you committed to him, you could have walked away.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: You could, but it's very difficult.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, listen, you go to the promise room, and before you know each other's age, you say to each other, I'm going to commit to you and we're going to continue this journey together.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: So if then he says his age, and I'm like, Ooh, I can't do this.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm out.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, then that goes against what I just promised.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: I just promised that I wouldn't.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I mean some of them did it, some of them walk away.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, if some people said you weren't, I think No, uh-uh, absolutely not.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: No, you, whatever you commit to when you are in there and you say before you know their age, then you're but here's the thing though.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: You were leaning in.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: The you it you like you said, the show is a social experiment.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so you were going in for it.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't the whole idea was to show people that if you get to know someone before knowing their age, then you will hit it off to a point.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then when you know it, should it matter?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think that what I found most interesting before I even watched the show when I heard about it, I was talking about it and sort of not disparaging it, but I was sort of saying they know their ages.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I but then I look at you, I wouldn't have known your age.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: I and now I look at him, and I guess I could see that he would have read 30, 33, something like that.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was thinking he was about 35.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, at least.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that would have been young for me.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, all the way they cast it, they cast people who didn't look their age.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so by the time I got to the promise room, you know, it had been three weeks that I had gone on four dates with him, we had had so many interactions, we really did connect, and I'm I'm not gonna deny that.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, to your point, like if I knew ahead of time that this guy was that age, I would have walked away immediately.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: But I had just spent three weeks really getting to know this person and seeing how compatible we were, and we were obviously attracted to each other.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so I thought, yikes, he's 27, but I'm gonna continue to do to go forward there because I was already, I was already connected to him, and I'm like, well, this is interesting, and I kind of want to see what happens.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: I want to see where this goes and if this continues, and once we move in together, like, am I going to get the ick?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, what are his habits gonna be when you lived with someone?
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's a whole different ballgame.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: And you didn't have a physical connection with him, like a chemistry.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we had we definitely had chemistry.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, right, yeah, like date one, you know, he kisses me, and you know, I was like, Yeah, this guy's cute, and I liked a lot of everything.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: That he was presenting at that point.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I love there was a conversation that you and Vanessa, who is 49, was the time on the show, and she was so jealous that you were um having some being physical and that she wasn't with hers.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: And she and now they're together still.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: They're engaged.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I thought that.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: She wanted fire.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: She wanted Fourth of July fireworks.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: She was getting Memorial Day.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_04: This one coming as you stuck.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_04: Then she was very argumentative.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_04: She was very, she was very aggressive, and it was like he didn't know what hitting him.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: I think I think he I personally think he's a little bit immature for his age.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: And she was very aggressive with him.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, yeah, she's yeah, it was busy.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: I you know, I don't want to really go into that relationship only because that's their relationship.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: I have my own personal feelings, but it's neither here nor there.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: So back to you and John.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: So you guys get out of that.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: So you go to the promise room and uh you go off into this apartment.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: And are you in the same complex as all the other couples?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_04: It was a hotel on my way.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_04: It looks like a no, it was a condo.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_04: A condo.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was a big condo building.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, okay.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh, I mean, what a cool opportunity to have this time to really get to know someone.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: So you do you have your phones then?
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: We still I mean, they even so we would get access to our phones if we had like work to do or you know, a family emergency or something.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I was able to like check in at home.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I one person of my friends I was able to talk to for like five minutes, but you had a handler with you the whole time.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: So they were like monitoring what you were talking about.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, when we got to Vancouver, it became even harder to talk to anybody.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: And that was, I found out later because my kids were coming into town and they definitely did not want any communication.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: So that that surprise was.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: So let's let's talk about that because you uh you mentioned this in the reunion that you were one, I think you were the only one that had their kids there.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: And how did that happen?
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know how it actually happened.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: The other ones had their friends or okay, yeah.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: No, I know, and there were four other people out of the 12 that had kids.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: So again, for anyone who's watching, listening, if there's a point in the show where you guys um are gonna go meet uh friends or family, friends or family of yours, and then friends or family of the of the other person.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and for you, you had your three your three children.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: And for him, children they're on their twenties.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, that was.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: And then and then it, I think you had a little uh sometime about uh him not telling his sister and mother, then you have children, or you not telling them, then you have children, and that was a kind of little bit of a conflict.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: It became an issue.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_04: Why why did you tell them, you know, I'm I'm a mother, I have they didn't ask.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_04: They didn't ask, didn't ask.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody asked me, so I didn't tell.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: I thought there was one moment that you almost said it and you I think I almost slipped something about my kids because it's obviously such a natural thing to talk about.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but so everybody has their own producers, meaning like each couple has their own producers.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: John and I had, because we have this huge age gap, because I had a good feeling it was my kids that were coming, I was like, listen, this is gonna be really sticky.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we're not talking 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, we're talking 27.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm double your age, right?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a really sticky situation.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, he and I had gotten to know each other really well at that point, and we were like really into it.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we were like, if we want to have our families feel the same way that we do, then we both jointly decided with, and I don't even think our producer had any part of this conversation because we were never told we had to say anything.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: We were like, we're gonna let them get to know our partners as we did, and then when the time is right, we're gonna tell them, you know, and whether that was like two weeks after we rapped, a month after we rapped, whatever it was be would be, we would decide this together as a couple, which I think is a very normal relationship type thing to do.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so when I got up to go to the bathroom, and then as you saw, his sister starts drilling him basically, and he caves because he like worships his sister, and he just can't not answer her questions, apparently.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: She's an attorney, and so then I come back from the bathroom.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea, even that they know they didn't bring it up to me.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: They should have been like, hey, so we just found out you have three kids and you're 54.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'd have been like, Yep, that's right.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: That might have jabbed him and been like, What the hell?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I thought we had like an agreement.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: What is your children when you children?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_04: I think you have a children who's 29.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_04: Am I right?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, he was 29.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_04: When your children met him, what what was their advice to you?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: I would ask you how old he was?
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my daughter said, Can you tell us how old he is after he left?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I could, but I just am choosing not to because I want you to get to know him like I did.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: And they were like, Yeah, that's cool, that makes sense.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Your kids just you could tell.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: I said this to my daughter, I was watching my 18-year-old, and I was like, You could just tell how much they love you because of the the way they were the just the whole interaction of that meal or whatever, I know they just had such love and respect for you, and that whatever they were feeling was not coming across on their faces.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: It was just love and wanting to see what this situation was, especially your older son.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, I know.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: My kids are amazing.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like they're my biggest accomplishment ever.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: But they have also they love me so, so much, and they've seen me go through really rough relationships and really hard times being a single mom to them and, you know, working my ass off, providing for them and all of those good things.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so when I was like, I'm gonna do the show, they were like, Okay, this is kind of odd, but we're gonna let you, you know, not let me, we're gonna support you because we really want you to find your person.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: And they were like, if it if it's packaged in this young guy who we don't know his age, I mean, they knew he was young.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they were like, okay, we're gonna be fine with it because we want you to be happy.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: We want you to have your happily ever after.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's how much this is.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm gonna put you on the spot, Pascal.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you have kids around the same age as Teresa.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: And you've dated a lot of younger women.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh anyone who's 27 years younger than you.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_04: I would not.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, of course.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I've been a part of the couple.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: Not too not who's 27, but someone who's 27 years younger than you.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, but you know, I mean, just recently, I mean, uh while back, a young girl came up and said, I want to fix you up with you, girl.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_04: My girlfriend, I said, Oh, great.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_04: And I said, Where's your girlfriend?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_04: She showed me that beautiful young girl.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_04: How old are she?
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_04: How old is she 20 years?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: I said, No.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_04: She said, Come on, she likes older men.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_04: I said, not me.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_04: I don't like younger women.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_04: I just don't think you do like younger women.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_04: But not to a certain there is there is a age appropriate.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_04: Like uh, you know, I mean, I think if uh you're 45 and above, it's different than 45 and below.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_04: You follow me?
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_04: I think the 45 and above has been through most likely marriage, divorce children, so they know how to give and take.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, and they have a life experience, versus the young girl at 22 years old who's got no kid and gonna hang up with a guy who's got two kids.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I wouldn't do it if I was 22 years old.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_04: Get away from me.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not attached to it.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it definitely makes things complicated.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, when age, when when age gets when you get older, when you get into the the 50s, the 55, the age difference doesn't really matter there.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_04: You follow me?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_04: So so at 54 years old, you could date somebody with very attractive looking 65 years old man.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you probably want to be like probably three of them out there in the world.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_04: I'm 71 years old, okay?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: So you're one of the three.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: One of the three.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: We found one.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_04: So what I'm saying is I think I think when when a woman reaches a certain age, I think age is a little bit different than before the 45, you know.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I think obviously the older you get, that age difference is.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to go back to so then your kids are there and they're supportive of you, but and then his his mom and his John's mom and sister are supportive but certainly skeptical.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the mom who just kept they the the at least from again from the TV show, yeah, her face, they just kept showing her face and she was just in some sort of shock.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um was this after she found out my age?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_04: She never found out you age.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_04: She never found out you age.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: We never saw her finding age.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_04: She never she he never said to her during the time you went to the bathroom and it was with his sister and mother.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think the age was was anything.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think he said no.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: No, okay.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: They're on that I had three kids.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: No, they didn't.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_04: Then they were upset because you didn't tell them.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Those were yeah.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, then you got I didn't know there was like a hidden question in there, right?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm supposed to be able to read minds, I guess.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: So you guys keep dating, and were there any other red flags during the time of living together at you know, in Vancouver?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: Red flags.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I'd call them red flags.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I mean concern.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there was concerns.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: One of them was his very, very close relationship with his sister, which just seemed like he was very attached to her.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: And like every single question or decision that he would talk about was like, oh, I want to talk to my sister about that, or you know, oh, where'd you get those shoes?
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my sister got them for me.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, where'd you find that?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my sister.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: It was like sister, sister, sister.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, wow, like this sister really has a huge part of your life, and like that's great.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: But I was like, I'm a little concerned about it.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: What about you?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: It seemed that she stayed after she stayed longer.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: So the mom left.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and then they had another meeting.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then he said, I had this feeling you were gonna hang around or something.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe she extended her stay.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm not really sure how that happened exactly, but they definitely had.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously, I he didn't tell me anything about their conversation.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: I watched it on the show with everybody else, and it was really upsetting.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was crying when I watched like the things that she said about me and how he kind of played into it too.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like she said something about like, you know, being very concerned about like, well, you know, I want you to think about what your life would look like, you know, with her.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Yeah, like I'm kind of thinking about that the same, you know, also, but like that was never brought up to me.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, after obviously we get off the show and he breaks up with me, then I see that and I'm like, okay, now everything's starting to make sense, and I understand that maybe she had an influence on this, or maybe she didn't.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: But like that was part of what I was trying to get the answers of at the reunion, and he froze up.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_04: You know, you said you said sometime earlier, you went to the promising room and you made your promises when you knew you age and you said you couldn't leave because you make the promises.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_04: Am I right?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so now you have what we call the living together, okay?
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_04: And in the end of the living together is the engagement.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's not an engagement.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's like it's a the commitment.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_04: The commitment at this point, when did you walk away?
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, well, I really was like, I had to.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: She was about to.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: You were you you fell for it.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: That was produced.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, spoiler alert.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_04: What did you say?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was produced.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_04: What was produced?
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: My almost walking away.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that was produced.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Remember then when they were like sort of holding hands, sort of, and then and then you look like you were basically saying goodbye to him, but that was now.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: So like I had my whole speech of everything that I was going to say, and it was all positive and all good.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: And that morning, my producer comes and hands me like two new pieces of paper, and she's like, We changed some things because they had to prove what I was gonna say.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I was furious.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Well, not only do I not want to do this, but now I have to memorize all this new stuff, and like I hate memorizing stuff.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so I was kind of annoyed, but then I was like, okay, I got it's a TV show, and like this is the cliffhanger, and like this is when you go to commercial.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, exactly, exactly.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, okay, I'll do it.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um because he looked very upset.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, there were a lot of bugs flying around.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what was happening.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I said.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_04: It was maybe the perfume.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_04: There was a lot of bugs.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I didn't even have, I don't think I was wearing it.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, no, he was wearing perfume.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_04: He was because it was a fly was around.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, they had they had flies for everyone.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think all the guys were like, yeah, yeah.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know what that was making me, I was like, is this my TV?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what's happening right now?
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I know that.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that that social experiment was interesting because uh you you started a 20, 20, 20 men, 20 women, and some of them left as a couple where they were more age appropriate.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and they keep only five or six couples where there is a big gap.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, epic.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you think that's what happened?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, that's what happened.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_04: So there is did you watch the show?
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_04: No, I did, but I didn't think.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_04: I'm going to bed, but after that.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to bed to take a nap because I haven't been up all night watching.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_03: I never watched the show, but I needed to watch this one.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: He had to do his homework.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I appreciate that.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_04: But but uh, you know, you had 20 men, 20 women, and then the one who left were more like age appropriate.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_04: And the one they kept, the six couple they kept is when there was like 15 to 20 years to 27 years if you're no crap.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_04: Those are the six couples they kept.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_04: The 27 and the 60 years old me.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_04: Come on.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, me and Jorge and um Vanel.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, come on, what was he thinking?
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I mean uh he's a good looking guy.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: I I personally don't think they still talk.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I have no problem being a friend, but having a relationship.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_04: I personally the type of person that I am, then if I was in the promising room and I would have I've been 60 years old and she's a 27 and I've made her promise, I would have walked away.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_04: I said, I'm sorry, this is and I would take the Mac and walk away.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: I could see.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I'm saying?
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I just don't think I watched you on The Bachelor, so I know your vibe.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know, right?
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: We all know his vibe.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I don't give her much shit about eins.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Teresa, I'm uh tell tell me that you did not, because they didn't show this on the TV.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just was um wondering, did you do that date where they you massage each other while you're in your bikinis?
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I thought that was weird.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you didn't do that.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: But we had one that was really uncomfortable.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: It was we had to do tantric yoga, and I'm a yoga instructor.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, when they said, Oh, you're going on a yoga date, I was like, sweet, like I can run the class.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, let's go.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then they were like, Okay, now you're gonna sit on top of him.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, um, absolutely not.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like I did.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: You did don't think I did.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see the yoga date.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't have that, wasn't even on no, I didn't see the yoga date.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know what you're thinking of?
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: The Golden Bachelor, they did the tantric date.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, they did that.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they must be all these producers must love all of this.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: It makes you on the show.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_04: Was working on the Bradford.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_04: I love Bradford.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, that's funny because they did some of the same things.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, okay.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I was like at the end of the day.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_04: This is the first season, am I right?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so who are the hosts?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_04: Because I personally think that the host sucks.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: It was Nick and Natalie.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Who the hell they are?
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Nick was on the bat the bachelorette.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, the bachelor or the bachelor?
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: He I think he was originally on the bachelorette, and then maybe he was a bachelor.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: Nick Bial.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: He was one of the most famous bachelor's.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: Are you serious?
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_04: I thought both of them sucks.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_04: I think I would have loved to see Jesse doing that.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_04: I think Jesse would have been a little bit more exciting than yeah.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's because they had an age gap relationship.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Nick and Natalie have been.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: How many years did it?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: 18 years?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: 18 years.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think she's 26 or something.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I didn't think they were possessed.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't think they had the charisma to carry you guys and ask the question and feel very natural.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like they were.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like Velvet Hammer Productions is the one who actually created the idea of the show.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: They obviously gave it to Netflix, and then Netflix, I think, you know, uses their people.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: So why was there no reunion on Netflix?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: Why was it on Nick?
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's because it was um season one.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it might have been like a budget thing, you know, because it's like season the first season of anything is kind of like a pilot.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: So they give like a limited amount of money to I this is my guess.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's a good idea.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what they would do.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_04: That's what they would do.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they start the season, they see how successful the season is, and then if the season is successful all over the sun, the budget gets bigger.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I think you have to watch the reunion when you go home to because I didn't watch your reason.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, three hours exactly.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: There's a three-hour version.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: There's a three-hour version of it, but don't watch the hours.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I think first Nick spoke a ton because he hosts the reunion.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he did seem to get say, suggest that he got to know all of you.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: They just didn't show that on the show.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, they knew our story because they watched okay, you know, us getting filmed, but they didn't really interact with us.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was only when you saw them on camera and they were like standing up there saying, like, you know, well, now we're gonna throw this at you.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like your fam friends and family are coming, or we're separating you guys now, or whatever.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to the promise room tomorrow, like all the things.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, we didn't really get to know them well until we came for now.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then we went on, like, when I went on their podcast, was the first time I really got to sit and talk to them.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I really like them.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're good people.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've heard a lot of people not liking them as the host, but like I've got to be.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they're good people.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_04: I just think as a as a host, they didn't they didn't bring that fire, they didn't bring that excitement.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_04: The questions were were very sterile and plain, I think.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_04: I just didn't know.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe that'll change now that you know this first season's over with and they're learning, you know, from whatever didn't work or something like that.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_04: They need to have been Jesse.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_04: I know, right?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_04: Well, there's another show.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's married, right?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_04: No, Jesse.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, he's married.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_04: He's married, yeah.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: There's another show where they have um Nick Lachey, yeah.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: Vanessa Lachey.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think that is blind.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Love is blind.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: And they're great hosts on that.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so maybe uh who knows?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they'll grow into it.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: But I thought the reunion was good.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that Nick, um, and of course, Nick has a very popular podcast called The Vialpha.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: So shout out to him.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: But um, so I think what we really want to get to now is what I want to get to is just this relationship, how it sort of deteriorated because you guys were great in the bubble.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: But one of us marked.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_04: I want to ask you before we go to that.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_04: This one is when you were in the in the hotel together, were you living together 24-7?
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: Did you have a chance to be off camera and have conversation, or you were separated?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, we the minute we got to Vancouver and we walked in our condo, we were there together 100% of the time.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_04: 100%.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_04: So the camera was off, so you had a chance to have those conversations with him about uh living arrangements, statistics, location, uh future.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: We had a lot of um really great conversation because we didn't have access to our phones, we didn't have the TV, so we were forced to, you know, sit and talk.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean we got along great.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like there was great conversation, and you know, I didn't there was a few things that I didn't learn about him until after we finished rapping.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, for the most part of the case.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_04: I think the best way to know somebody, I've always said is to travel with that person.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_04: When you travel with that person, you see their habit, you see how they wake up in the morning, what they eat, how they take care of their clothes, yeah, and stuff like that.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_04: That's the best way for me to know.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, absolutely.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like the way they would eat and cook and like it was interesting, it was very, you know, indicative of his sort of age in some ways.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so right.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: So did you ever feel like you were not equal, uh, and that you were a little bit more like motherly in a way to him, or you know, didn't feel like that at all?
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: I a little bit, maybe bits and pieces.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like there was little quirky things, like, you know, we'd be eating at a dinner table and he'd take his napkin and he'd crumple it up and put it on the table.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that is not how we do things.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, that is not we're not doing that.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: Which Pascal will tell you has maybe nothing to do with age.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, he's he's talked about a person who doesn't know how to cut their steak.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's edifying.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's how you do it.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: Teresa, he he needs someone who cuts their steak well.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: And if you can't cut your steak well, then you're not with him.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: But those aren't age, those are upbringing.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: There are other cut at this hand, right?
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: The French way.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_04: And they cut it like that.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_04: And then switch the hands.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_04: And switch their hands.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_04: I read it.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: But some of that is not age, some of it is really just more upbringing or whatever it is.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then, so then how many weeks are you guys in this apartment together?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, two and a half.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: Two and a half.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good amount of time.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is, isn't it?
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_04: Were you able to go out or to the gym, go work on the beach, or do tens of were you able to go in public or were you were more stuck in?
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, unless cameras were rolling, we were not out and about.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, actually, that's a lie.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: We did, we would have like a day off one day a week, and we would go.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: To sh go shopping.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like I had to buy my dress for the commitment ceremony.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: So we went shopping for that.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, but we always had a handler with us.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we went on like this really fun like bike ride this one time around the lake.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, we had some days where we were Didn't provide you the wardrobe, nothing.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: All the clothes was in They give him wardrobe, interestingly enough.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna tell you one thing.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_04: They dressed him very well.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_04: I will say that of the all the dresser, I mean all the the men, he was the most elegant, well put together.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_04: Great looking suit, tie, shoes.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I'm I'm into the you know, we are into the fashion I noticed then he was a very elegant man for a lot of things.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: I did not like his reunion outfit.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: I will put that.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't look at the reunion.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: So we have a picture of it.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: He he sort of really changed.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: He started wearing his glasses after the show.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: And he's doing his hair differently.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: And he just seems like uh first of all, I agree with people that he looked a little like Prince Harry in the show.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: And he had this vibe, a very sort of cool, confident vibe.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I just I don't know, I got the I don't know.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: And whatever it is, I wish I mean I don't know him, I wish him well at this.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you don't want anyone to have problems.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: He just seemed yeah, not uh not the same.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, yes, I know I wonder.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_04: So the show end, the show end, and then you back to life, reality, right?
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: What went wrong?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: So when And don't say communication, because well, that was that was a big thing.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just but you know, so I'll give you the sort of the timeline.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: So we finished rapping and we're still in Vancouver, and obviously we have tickets to go separate ways.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, hey, why don't you just come through Chicago and you know, maybe we can catch a Cubs game or something.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so we changed his ticket.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: He came to Chicago, we did just that, we had a great time, and then he left and went back to Miami.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it was that at that point in time when things really started to change.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there started to just become this like bigger and bigger distance between us, which is obvious.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, we had said to each other, like, we're gonna FaceTime and we're gonna text all the time, and you know, we're gonna make a plan to see each other, which we did.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: We then went to Naples.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: We met for the 4th of July.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: So that was like a week later.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and we had a great time.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: He met my one of my best friends and we spent the holiday together, no problems whatsoever.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: But that week prior, you know, he had definitely gone off and started to do his own thing.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: And and that's fine to a certain extent.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, we have to live our own lives, but we were losing that connection, and that made me very kind of question things, starting to question things.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: And um, then a couple weeks after Naples, we decided to go to New York, and that was when things started to really kind of unravel.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: We had had, I, you know, distance had commu no communication or very little communication had really started to put a wedge between us.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: And at one point I said to him, because I hadn't heard from him, and I was like, hey, like I feel like maybe things are changing, and maybe do you want to start dating other people?
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Because I just don't want to find out on the back end of this that you're dating other people.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: You live in Miami, you're a good-looking, young 20-something year old, like of course, like I'm giving you the go-ahead if you need that.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he was offended by it.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, well, cool, then I guess we're good.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: So then we go to New York, and that was when we had drinks with, you know, his sister and another cast member, and the conversation was just like all about, you know, what's it, what is it like to be that age and like go to this club and that it was just very exclusive of me.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: And his sister had also said to me, like, hey, I just want to give you the heads up.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, when you watch the show, there are some things that I said about you that you might be really upset with me.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: So that was in my head.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: Then I have like this uncomfortable sort of, you know, where I feel really left out of conversation.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, you know what?
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: I just am gonna like take a step back here.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I confronted him about it, he just had no words.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: He just couldn't give me any sort of reassurance whatsoever.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, okay, I guess then that's it.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um but then I did like talk to him a couple hours later and we were gonna try and work things out, but then he claims that we were broken up.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know, there was a miscommunication.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't, you know, he's texting me after that, like calling me babe and saying, like, I can't wait to come to Chicago in a couple weeks to see you.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it was very mixed messaging.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so you said that in the end it wasn't really the age that broke you up or that was the reason.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, right?
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think age had a part to do with it because I think his lack of ability to problem solve and communicate in a clear way is related to age in some ways.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe, maybe not.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just uh saying let me ask you a question because J Jimmy and I have always talked about the the the distance.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I don't believe in a long distance relationship.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_04: I think the person I want to meet has to live in the proximity of where I live.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_04: I don't want to pop in a plane, I don't want to have to schedule a so do you think then the distance was a challenge into the relationship, or uh would you prefer uh you think it if he was living in Chicago, the surrounding of Chicago, do you think you will have a different type of relationship with him?
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think if things were as they seemed to be on the show, and if things were really authentic with him, which still I question, then I think yes, we would have been fine if we lived if he lived in Chicago or I lived in Miami, and we both were sort of i of that same mindset that we left the show in, we would have had a really good chance of being together.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_04: So they reinforce the fact that long distance relationships are very difficult.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that is a contributing factor to all of the romances that have come out of the show and maybe one of the flaws of the show, potentially, that they could do like a what is that other show, the Love is Blind, where they are in one city.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that they can potentially have a better opportunity together.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, absolutely.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think the combination of like the age difference and the you know, the distance was a really hard thing.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: So are you dating now?
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: I am not.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: I have that.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: And are you looking for someone who's closer in your age, or you're just looking for love and it doesn't matter?
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I am just looking for someone who meets all of the things that I, you know, have out there that I I would like to have met, um, which is, you know, difficult.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: I know that.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm asking for a lot of people.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: But you gotta do some compromise.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_04: You gotta do compromise.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm I'm looking to compromise on something.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_04: And then and then what group age are you looking at?
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not looking at a group.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm not looking at 27-year-olds, although.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's what I'm saying.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you're looking for somebody who's more you age, a bit older than you, a little bit younger than you.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not looking for any kind of age.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just looking for someone who, you know, who is mature and who makes me feel safe and you know, takes good care of themselves and dresses well, and you know, some of the superficial stuff that, you know, I think if people deny that that's not part of what they look for, then they're lying.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I mean, yes, of course I'm willing to compromise, but not in ways that are gonna hurt me down the road.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_04: What is a deal breaker for you?
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's a lot of deal breakers.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_04: Give me one or two.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: One deal breaker is the person has to be has to take good care of themselves.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: They have to like, you know, eat well, exercise, like want to go and do activities and not be boring.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then the other one is obvious, like, you know, you can't be lying and cheating and you have to show up for a relationship and want to be in a relationship.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: So would you do this all again?
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: The show um I would, yeah.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: What would you do differently or would you do the same thing?
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: I would I would ask more questions and really try and figure out how old the person was, at least in the ballpark of what I would call it.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: You sort of just went with it and sort of stayed away from that, right?
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: I did, yeah.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: I was really trusting the process, and I think that was a mistake to a certain extent.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_04: But I think I think the show were a social experiment.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_04: I think they've done a good job.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_04: Do you think they should raise the group age a little bit uh older?
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_04: I do than than the 20 minute at 20 years old.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I was partying, drinking, nightclub, and you know, I didn't want to be tied up.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_04: I think I think if they were coming in the mid-30s or or early 40s and and go maybe a little bit older, I think that would have that would have made more sense to me.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_04: Because you establish, you're more mature, you know what you want, you had it.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_04: You know, kind of life at 22 years old.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_04: What the hell do you know?
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, I agree.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think that they got really lucky with the girls that we saw, like Libby and Pfeiffer and Vanelle.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think they're young, but they're very mature for their age, and I think Netflix and everybody got really lucky with them.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that it would have been smarter to go, you know, at least into like the high 20s, if not like 30 and up.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think so.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because I also think like there are enough shows out there for that age group for the 20-year-olds.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_04: Like that's why we talk about all the time.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_04: I think the bachelor, the the golden bachelor, the golden years.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like I'm right in the middle.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: I love that the rose gold.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: I talked to ABC about it.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, rose gold.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's me.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: That is something that we talk about a lot.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_00: Is our whole show is is going golden and golden.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: Pre-golden.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, right.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, going golden and golden area.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_04: Call it pre-golden and golden.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_00: We're not calling it, but that's okay.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: Not are you pre-golden?
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a golden.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pre-golden.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm 54.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I think we're pre-golden.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_00: Or I love what you just said, rose golden, or we're calling it going golden.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, yes.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: I also think there was another gal who her name was Lynn.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: Was that her name?
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: Lynn.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: She's been on your Instagram.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: Who is the other blonde who they who almost was with a 28-year-old?
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: Erin.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: Erin.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think I call her Lynn.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: She's beautiful.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: There were so many women, um, and even Vanessa, like just so many women in that age group, that going golden, that they could have had a whole show with just those women.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: So that's it.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: They should look into that.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: They had a missed opportunity.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, we we're so um appreciative that you came by.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it was so fun.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: It was great to be talking to you guys.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: I really also would love to talk.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: I saw on your um Instagram that you so you're a stylist and you worked at Calvin Klein a long time ago.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: I was obsessed with this love story.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: I know show.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_00: Did you watch it?
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: The JFK Jr.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_00: um, JFC.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was crazy to watch it because that was literally my life.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: So you were in New York.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: So when I graduated college from Purdue, I went to FIT.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then right after I graduated from there, I went and worked for Calvin in the showroom.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it was just like it was an interesting and was Kelly Klein and him, would you think it was a made-up marriage the whole time?
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: Or do you think that Kevin Klein was a made-up marriage?
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, Kevin Klein was gay.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, but some people said, but that the term at the time, remember one time that the term gay was not accepted.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_04: So it was very important for him to show a beautiful woman.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_04: And now it doesn't really matter.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, of course.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: She was beautiful.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: No, I would see them a lot.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: And it you could definitely tell that they had some sort of an arrangement, but you know, who knows what that really was.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's so cool.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, you know, and you're you're heading off to uh LA.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: So we wanna keep our keep our relationship with you.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you'll come back.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would love to.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, and I remember, okay.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_04: You could write about me.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna call John and say, hey John, you know, it's time to write an article.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_00: I know, yeah.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this guy has a lot of style.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wouldn't even need to style him.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: They would be like, You're off for the diet, Teresa.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, when I was in the in the bachelor, everybody was asking me, What should I wear?
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_04: Should I wear that tie?
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_04: Should I wear this?
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_04: Should we wear that?
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_04: And the Well, you French.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, come on.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_04: It was funny because in the beginning they look at me like I'm like the little snub kind of guy.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_04: In the end, they come up and say, Hey, you know, how about that tie, about this, about that?
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_04: So that I feel very good.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you were probably intimidating at first, and then you gained the respect.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then they were like, We love him.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_04: So I want to thank you very much.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to Paris, by the way, next week.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_04: When next week?
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I go to Rome and then I go to Paris.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_04: How long are you going to be in Paris for?
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, five nights.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_04: For what business?
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, my mom is turning 85.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm taking her and my kids all to Rome and then to Paris.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_01: Paris is her favorite place on the planet.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: So we're going to celebrate.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's a perfect time of the year to do it actually.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: Wonderful.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, have a great time.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_00: And thank you.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for sharing your story and I think for looking for what you want and sticking with what you want.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: And we wish you really well.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: And thank you for being in my hometown with Asgard.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: Subscribe.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_00: Subscribe, comment.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: I know all those things.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_03: Jimmy responds to every comment.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_03: I do.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_03: Jimmy responds to every comment.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: Even the not so happy ones.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: But thank you.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks again.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my pleasure.